WEBVTT - 19. Shaquem Griffin - Against All Odds 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.840 Thank you all for tuning into this special edition of 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.000 the NFL Players Podcast At the Combine M Pina Tillman 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:16.880 and this is Shekine Griffin. Thank you for tuning in Boston. Well, 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:22.000 first off, I applaud you in respect the work ethic, 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.720 considering everything you had to go through, all the obstacles 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.600 you had to go through. It's hard, and don't get 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.879 me wrong, I had it hard, but I have two hands. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:39.960 I remember watching what year was your your combine? Just 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:41.920 I just remember watching the whole thing, and I was 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.880 I think, I think I was just excited for you 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:52.880 because you could see the happiness and joy because obviously 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.000 you know hands and whatnot like, but you were out 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.680 there and you were you were outperforming other players. And 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.520 for me, I was just like I wanted I made 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.280 sure I made my kids, like my son and my 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.760 oldest daughter. So I was just like, look, look you 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.559 see this. I don't want to hear no damn excuses 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.119 about I'm tired on this or I'm heard or my 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.080 my footheard. I was like, look look at look at 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.840 what we're witnessing right here. This is your Look look 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.280 at this. You think he worried about like his what 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.840 what hurt on him, Like he is out there giving 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:31.400 it everything. So I, um, yeah, man, I just I'm 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.920 here to tell you face to face, you were a 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.880 teachable moment. Thank you for letting my kids see that. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.920 Like that was Um, that was a teachable moment. Let's 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.640 talk about why you hear. So you're one of the mentors, right, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.880 So what are some of the things that you're trying 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:53.000 to tell these prospects as they come through. I mean 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.000 for me, it's just kind of giving them idea of 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.560 kind of how to approach. And I think the best 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.200 thing to get is always tell them to not only 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.920 embrace the moment that you're in, because everybody wished to 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.800 be here and you got to select few you are 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:08.960 and you're a part of that select few. And the 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.360 thing is, don't go in and just toning to be 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.560 nervous and want to run around, like take something in 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.639 you know, remember it. You know you want to be 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.480 able to come back. And like for me, is I 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.560 learned it from my brother. He was like this, make 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.840 sure when you're going to enjoy yourself, don't feel stressed 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.120 out to have anxiety about why you're here. You know 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.919 you're supposed to be here. You deserve to be here, 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.960 so at like it and said, when you're going in 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.079 and embrace everything that comes with it and be able 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.640 to bring something back and talk about because you never know, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.200 you might end up back here speaking about it. And 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:36.920 that's something I tell him, Like you to relax. You've 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.560 been doing this for so long, same drills, running around 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.360 doing what you're doing since you was a little kids 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.840 or however when you started since the same process. And no, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.960 there's no reason to have any extra anxiety while you're 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.600 out there. But you were blessed though, you were lug 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.720 enough to have a brother go through this process and 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.720 then you could kind of lean on him. And he was, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.720 I've been telling people, you know, I talked to our 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.440 money tumor and when our money not when we went 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.799 through back and he said he went through a nineties six, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.520 I went through an oh three. The combine was like 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.760 it was like a myth, Like they didn't have TVs, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.600 they didn't have social mediacast none. It was you didn't 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.200 get none of that. So it was just like and 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.720 if you didn't know someone who went so I'm I'm 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.960 a small school Lafayette and like I didn't know anyone 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.720 that was good enough to go to the combine. So 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.840 I didn't really know nothing. I just was like, I 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.920 just was here. I just yeah, I didn't. I didn't 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.960 really heard about they make you run and do drills, 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.720 But I didn't really know. I didn't know what you knew, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.600 because you know, you had you had your brother like 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.120 I didn't. I couldn't. I couldn't do that. So I 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.800 think it's you're basically now you can get a peek 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.760 at the test. Literally, when my brother came back from 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.000 the combine before his pro that he was already teaching 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.320 me things that he was already learning. Yeah, so I knew. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.360 I knew how to getting the forty start before I 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.200 got before I got to my seiing season. I knew 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.480 the steps he was taking in his shottle before I 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.880 got to my senior season. I used to go visit 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.800 him m J P while he was training. I was 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.080 out there with him, so already was already meeting guys. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.120 I was already getting the knowledge of it, and I 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.039 used to practice it during season when I look extra time, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.680 I always the same thing. I used to always walk 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.960 over hurdles, go under the hurdles, and then work on 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.800 my forty starts. Then when you did the hurdles that 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.360 you has a hair down or was the heir hero 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:30.520 was up? You know, it was more of it just 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.160 kind of getting a hip stronger and making sure that 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:33.839 was always right. It was just the extra stuff that 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.159 I did was like not only I'm gonna play football 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:37.960 and get ready for the season, but I'm gonna get 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.919 my stuff, you know, properly, like ready for when I 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.480 do go into training. I'm already got the head start. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:44.960 And then so crazy because like how do you know 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.200 all that? Like y'all know, y'all trained my brother right, Sorry, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.880 I'm taking the same steps the same as that steps. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.200 Now you had you had a pretty good combine. Yeah, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.080 Like it was like a mimic of my brothers. Like 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.680 I mean you you you you showed out. Yeah, it 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.320 was a spend image you. You showed out. I think 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.240 he still hold the record for the fastest, uh right, 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.880 for that's moving a lot of practice. I was practicing 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.279 for a while. I think I think I ran like 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.839 a four four six, so they thought I was gonna round. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.120 It was funny because the thought I was gonna run 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.640 something like four six four or seven. I remember I 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.360 had one visit and it was with Seattle and he 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.480 asked me, how fast you think you're gonna run? I 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.800 was like, what you think is fast? You're like what four? Line? Back? 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:29.440 Like four or six? That said, what you think is 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.040 really fast? He was like, well four three or four four? 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.600 I was like, well four three right there down I'm 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.880 running that. It's so crazy. I told my brother, I'm 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.600 around for three just like you. No like a foofolk, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.840 I see a foofol. I'm a run for three. I 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.200 probably for three. And like my best friend t though, 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.320 he's like, yeah, you're running for three, bro, Like you know, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.480 all I needed was one guy. You know I'm gonna 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.279 get it. And I told Pete the same thing. They say, 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.600 you think four three very fast? Let's watch out for 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.919 and literally when I run it. They showed a clip 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.520 and he was like, oh my goodness. I told you. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.320 I remember as soon. I didn't know. Mind you, when 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.120 you're running, you don't know the time until you get back. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.960 I remember saying, have birthday, mama. I knew I ran fast, See, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.520 I didn't even I only I think I knew like 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.520 like later that evening or somebody didn't. They didn't knew. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.520 Once I got done, I was like, have birthday, Mama. 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:18.320 I just knew you. I felt it. Yeah, that's that's up. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.200 So when you and your brother were growing up, who 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.560 was always faster? It was back and forth. I feel 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.880 like I started off the fastest, and then throughout time 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.640 it's like what was going back and forth? And then 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.000 he was coming up, and then that was when I 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.000 was going up in wade this and that. So it 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.480 was the ongoing battle. But it was never a point 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.120 to where somebody was just clearly faster. It was like 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.520 you wanted to work, You're gonna get your hand, you 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.279 ut put your Handshin's gonna line for this one, buddy. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.760 Every time you used to run against the one hundred, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.920 the two hundred, even when we did the four about four. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.280 We used to look at times in the four hundred 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.680 jumping no matter what it is, because competition. Even when 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.039 we walk into school, I bet I take less steps 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.560 to you, and it's very so I don't want to 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.479 twitter anything like that, but we I think my brother, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.800 So I'm my brother and I with three years a party. 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:05.159 He's always kicked my button full basketball and caller. I 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.159 was like the little running the letter. I think not 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:13.760 until my sophomore year we played basketball. I was finally 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.280 able to beat my brother. That was a bigger conversation. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:21.200 Happy birthday, Mama, I just happy birthday. Made it. I 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.720 made it so. Yeah, the day I beat my brother 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.440 and he probably don't even notice, but that's when I 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.640 was like I had even more confidence. I was like, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.600 now that I just beat you, I'm never losing again, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.600 Like it's yeah, I got you, I got you. I 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.320 will never lose a game again. Feeling being close to 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.000 my brother though, it was just like you're gonna take 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.560 a l, you're gonna get some w You're gonna feel 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.200 very confident. But it's an L around the corner. Yeah, 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.160 and that's why it was. It was always going at 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.880 it like everything is competition to this day, like now 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.360 we're getting involved in so much stuff, entrepreneurship and stuff 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.760 like that, and it's still competitive. It doesn't stop nowhere. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.240 But that's what But don't you think that's why you 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.320 are the way you are right now because of how 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:05.760 you and your brother grew up, meaning um competing against 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.960 each other, like pushing each other. I feel like for us, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.640 it gave us a competitive edge because I know how 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.840 hard he was going and I wanted to be him. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.640 Anybody who came even under that, I wasn't gonna stand 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.360 a chance. Like you have to give your best at 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.320 this moment for you to win. And that's how we 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.840 felt like it was something when my day to say, um, 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.520 he was running two hundred, he was like, man, I 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.280 was like that, Man, I'm going to the final. But 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.360 these guys so fast, they said they ran this before. 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.920 It like tell them running to day right he did. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.360 He ran in a couple weeks ago. He got running 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.040 the day to beat me because my time is this, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:39.960 but I'm playing on beating my time that I ran 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.200 another week, he got to come with it. And now 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.800 when I wanted two hundred, I was like that here 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.160 on that time today. And it makes someone saying like 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.000 you have to bring your best right now if you 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.280 want to win. And that's what my brother Lou. It's 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.000 either I'm gonna win on he gonna win, but we're 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.600 gonna bring a hundred percent best. If you're not bringing 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.200 out the day, you're gonna take that hell. But I 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.280 know that's what I'm gonna bring. I'm bring Hunt saying 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.320 that's all I got support system is sports is very strong. 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.760 I feel like that's something where you know, I gave 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.240 us an age too, because not only is my brother competitive, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.120 I feel like the stuff and the sacrifices of my 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.640 mom and dad and my older brother's maide. You know, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.400 they didn't have to how many, how many how many families. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.480 It's four of us, it's four of us. It's Andre, Terrel, 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.400 my brother, Shaquille, and then I'm the baby. But I 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:27.160 went in Unfortunately sixty seconds. I could have been sixty second, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.080 sixty one things I would have been older. What if 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.840 it rose when the flip, but hey, it happens, you know, 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.320 on the baby. But the thing is, I feel like 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:40.240 for them, my competitiveness really came and started with my 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.200 mom and dad telling me that you can't do this, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.200 you can't and I felt like they wouldn't allow me 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.000 to make excuses. I mean even when I wanted to 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.720 play running back, I was like, what nine years old, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.679 and but that like, you sure you're gonna pay running back. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.280 They're gonna punch the ball, They're gonna snap the ball 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.440 from I said, no, they're not. He's like, well grab 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.040 the ball. Then I was run in the backyard and 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.400 he snatched me and like slum me across the are. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.440 I said, I got the ball, though, you're all right, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.559 play running back and literally twelve touch. That was later 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.160 that year. I was beat that running back. And the 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.400 thing is like he was like gonna sturch the ball 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.920 and the fact that I told him no, he tried 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.560 every single time and I'm not letting the ball go 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.280 because how did you? But how did you get that mindset? Though? 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.040 Like let's in like a shorter version, like talk about 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.960 your left arm and then like how you came and 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.680 like tell me, tell me, tell me that story. I 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.120 mean I feel like, like I said, the support system 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.360 around me and what helped me gain confidence because my 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.360 older brother didn't take a light. My twin brother didn't 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.520 take a light. And I hated losing, so like, what 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:41.880 you're gonna do, You're gonna fix it. Even when I 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.000 was learning how to catch the ball, my dad was like, 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.520 you're gonna get him in the face, and then you're 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.400 gonna learn to stop letting the ball hit your face. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.360 And I did that. I didn't like the ball hit 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:51.880 my face. I had to stop. So in me, I 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.520 had to create a confidence, and you know what, I 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.440 really can do this, Like, there's no excusesna make excuse. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.800 I'm I'm gonna get in the face every time, so 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.320 stop hearing. The excuse is fools on the ball and 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.520 make sure I see it all the way in. Stop 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.320 getting hit in the face. When it comes to me 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.800 with my brother going out and playing football or anything else, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.120 it was just like, Okay, I know he can do this, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.120 and I know I can do this too, So it's like, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.880 how do I get a competitive And I'm just gonna 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.000 keep working and keep working and keep working it until 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.880 it I'm down patting and like, I bet try me now, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.480 and I got something for you. And as I got 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.440 older and even from like other coaches, other kids, you know, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.600 you know, kids can be a little not not really knowing, 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:32.120 but kids are me. You can bleep that out, but yeah, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.559 kids are kids are me. They say they say, they 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:40.280 say mean things, they're hurtful, but they know it's just 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.240 they say what they see. And that gets at a 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.920 young age is not only kids are saying stuff. Now. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.800 My brother was the puncher. I was like, that's funny. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.040 My brother like, no, that ain't. I had a brother 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.280 like that, you was, he was the hot head. I 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.920 was like the happy go lucky. So I beer and 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.680 my brother was like, man, don't try my brother. I 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.280 got something for you know what. I know, I'm watching you. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.000 That's how he was. And I remember, um my first interception. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.600 I was ten years old, and I remember we had 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.160 this one. We had to like you got the way in, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.560 you gotta make a certain weight. And I remember this 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.400 like right for the last game for the playoff, and 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.040 I was already doing good scoring touchdowns. I was playing 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.360 old line de lion. I was just making plays like crazy. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.480 And then the coaches telling me it was like, um no, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.120 let me go back for us. When I was winning 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.199 in he said I was overweight, and mind you, I'm 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.400 doing all this process. And I knew. I waited in 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.840 twice that morning before the actual way in. I said, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.320 how didn't make way? It's impossible. And then actually when 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.160 I came in, my coach way and I made way. 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.080 And then the coach asked the other coaches like, why 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.120 would you say he didn't make weight? Oh, man's a man. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.120 It's a two handed sport, Like what does that even means? 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.800 The two in sport? I guess I'm the only one 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.240 who's doing this because I don't deserve to play, and 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.520 then like, now you're gonna play in my two sacks. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.240 Remember the last game, the clustered playoffs spot and you 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.000 said your ten right? I remember it was a slant route. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.640 Slant route came and I remember just jumped in front 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.400 of it, caught the ball and then spent on my 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.839 back and fail like this first interception of remember you 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.640 holding the ball the game over there, like, yeah, I 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.520 guess you wish you I didn't play for real? Huh 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.640 that gets through the ball at the coach. That's when 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.400 I knew how to shift my mindset to say you 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.560 know what, yeah you said I do. I can't. I 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.600 can't do this. It's not norm, but I'm gonna make 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.640 it a norm for you. I'm gonna making I'm gonna 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.120 make you see how you're supposed to look. So now 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.520 you can't judge if you got one or two because 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.400 I got sex and interception like I did, so like 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.200 not what you're gonna say? Now? Did you? Was that? 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.880 The was that? That was? So? That was the first 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.959 time he felt that, you know, a coach treat you 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.400 a certain kind of way because of only having one hand. Yes, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.720 did you? Did you? Have to do that in college. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.280 Excuse me, high school, every literal league to high school 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.360 to high school to college, the college to the league. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.240 It's it's a process. It's another barrier that you've got 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.240 to be able to steal in the league. You still 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.680 got it even after it got worse in college. Yeah, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.080 it got really blunt because that's their job on the line. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.000 You know, when when they started being like the high 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.400 school was, I was. I was already outstanding of people 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.480 around me. So it was just like I was able 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.240 to work through that and me and kill was on 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.760 our way to going to the same college. But when 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.120 I got to college, that's when I know business is 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.400 real because now I kind of found out that the 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.720 coach that recruited us knowing that we was gonna go 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.200 to a separate school. But like, what do I need 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.840 to do to get Shaquille Griffin here? I gotta bring 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.520 on his brother. And I thought, I'm head over here, 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.600 like I made it. Now I'm here. Then three years 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.640 going by and next ure, you know, I'm getting all 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.320 kind of neglect. I'm getting talked down about. You know, 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.160 I was on the I was on the scout team 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:44.200 for a while, and I remember literally that the next 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.800 few years, the weight coaches like you only image of 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.600 your brother, You just a shadow, or you're never gonna 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.160 be nothing. You think you're gonna really go out there 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:53.880 and then ball out. We're doing all this work, you 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.840 think you're gonna really get there, Like I don't know 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.240 what kind of reinforcement he was going to put on me, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.040 but it was not the one I wanted, and like yeah, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.280 and it was tough, and then I got to the 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.400 point where I got sent home. My third year, I 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.280 had to work two jobs. I remember, I was toying 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.120 for my dad from seven am to six I work 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.840 out from six thirty to seven thirty, and then I'll 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.040 go from my job from no to one am, cleaning 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.360 the builders with my brother. And at that time, like, man, 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.280 I'm home. Ain't nothing I gonna do. And then my 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.600 coach telling me or called my brother into the office 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.600 or I'm home throughout the last few months, and like 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.080 I'm thinking, gonn sing your brother to a juco or 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.280 do two school to finish education. I don't think football 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.760 is for him, Like, well, you never gave me a 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.520 chance to the show where I can do the thing. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.200 All I did to this setting the side scout team 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:38.680 or doing whatever I can do. You send me home 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.320 to see if my brother can do well without me, 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.200 as if I was a distraction, and my brothers like, 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.240 we'll send me, send me too. I need my paper 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.480 work quit right now. So we're both going my brothers 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.560 like he stormed out. It's like as it, I'm going 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.200 to do two of my brother. And then they called 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.000 him back, like we'll bring your brother back. The same 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.600 process over again for him to stay, you gotta bring 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.920 me back. I remember I was literally I remember this 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.960 same as that outfit. I might have some orange and 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.200 white Griffy's on blue Wrangler jeans and a neon green 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.240 shirt that all my dad's so like sizes like thirty 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.560 eight pants and I wore like a thirty it was 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.920 a two ex shirt. I wore a medium, so like yeah, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.840 I'm I'm just work closed. And I remember we called 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.600 me like you come back to school and I got 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.040 my scholarship back. And then I when we had the 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.760 O M twelve year and he left like the sixth 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.080 game of the season, I'm just for me to come back. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.000 He made me murther cut out hair, like you would 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.280 not look at this on our team, like you're gonna 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.240 cut your hair and you're gonna have match our uniform, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.320 like we got dressed when we don't match the uniform. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:37.960 So it was like a whole thing that's going back 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.160 and forth, like he didn't want us to be there, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.160 they didn't want me to be there. And then that's 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.040 when we got the opportunity with Scott Frost and first 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.160 meeting feel like why didn't you play? Like we're looking 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.040 at your your patents tape and this and that, like 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:49.760 you were just type A player while you didn't play 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.960 cold honestly, and I think I could play. I saw disability. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.320 I was like, do you think I could play here? 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.240 I'm not judging you that. Of course Frost told me, 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:59.840 he said, you gotta clean slate here, show them what 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:01.960 you're out. I said, thank you, That's all I needed. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.280 And then they sudn't know my first time starting. I 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.840 remember the first play, I was chasing a stretch. I 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.480 remember soon I start changing, the boss started throwing up anxiety. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.680 I couldn't have been so long. I told my back, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.520 I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I don't know what 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.600 to do. He's like, bro, how you can't breathe. You're 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:25.679 talking to me. Oh yeah, you're right right, I said, listen, bro, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.439 I know it's been a while, but listen. It's my 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.600 brother senior year or two. So I've been waiting for 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.439 a while to get to that point. He's like, bro, 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.360 just play football. You've been doing this for so long. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.760 Just play you here, now play and they say no. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.959 The next place, sack, another sack, forced fumble, brother got 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.680 two interceptions. It was like, that was my breakout game 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:47.119 and next ain't no. Thirteen sexs later, I was a 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.800 decent player of the Year All American Is. It's like, boy, 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.280 I'd been a long time waiting on that, but that's 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.960 all I needed. Just let me just imagine if you 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:59.600 could have did that with the previous regime administration, Like 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.280 you do, you do? You do? You often think about that. No. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.840