1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning into this special edition of 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: the NFL Players Podcast At the Combine M Pina Tillman 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: and this is Shekine Griffin. Thank you for tuning in Boston. Well, 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: first off, I applaud you in respect the work ethic, 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: considering everything you had to go through, all the obstacles 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: you had to go through. It's hard, and don't get 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: me wrong, I had it hard, but I have two hands. 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: I remember watching what year was your your combine? Just 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: I just remember watching the whole thing, and I was 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: I think, I think I was just excited for you 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: because you could see the happiness and joy because obviously 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: you know hands and whatnot like, but you were out 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: there and you were you were outperforming other players. And 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: for me, I was just like I wanted I made 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: sure I made my kids, like my son and my 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: oldest daughter. So I was just like, look, look you 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: see this. I don't want to hear no damn excuses 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: about I'm tired on this or I'm heard or my 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: my footheard. I was like, look look at look at 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: what we're witnessing right here. This is your Look look 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: at this. You think he worried about like his what 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: what hurt on him, Like he is out there giving 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: it everything. So I, um, yeah, man, I just I'm 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: here to tell you face to face, you were a 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: teachable moment. Thank you for letting my kids see that. 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: Like that was Um, that was a teachable moment. Let's 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: talk about why you hear. So you're one of the mentors, right, 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: So what are some of the things that you're trying 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: to tell these prospects as they come through. I mean 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: for me, it's just kind of giving them idea of 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: kind of how to approach. And I think the best 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: thing to get is always tell them to not only 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: embrace the moment that you're in, because everybody wished to 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: be here and you got to select few you are 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: and you're a part of that select few. And the 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: thing is, don't go in and just toning to be 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: nervous and want to run around, like take something in 38 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: you know, remember it. You know you want to be 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: able to come back. And like for me, is I 40 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: learned it from my brother. He was like this, make 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: sure when you're going to enjoy yourself, don't feel stressed 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: out to have anxiety about why you're here. You know 43 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be here. You deserve to be here, 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: so at like it and said, when you're going in 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: and embrace everything that comes with it and be able 46 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: to bring something back and talk about because you never know, 47 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: you might end up back here speaking about it. And 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: that's something I tell him, Like you to relax. You've 49 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: been doing this for so long, same drills, running around 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: doing what you're doing since you was a little kids 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: or however when you started since the same process. And no, 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: there's no reason to have any extra anxiety while you're 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: out there. But you were blessed though, you were lug 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: enough to have a brother go through this process and 55 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: then you could kind of lean on him. And he was, 56 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: I've been telling people, you know, I talked to our 57 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: money tumor and when our money not when we went 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: through back and he said he went through a nineties six, 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: I went through an oh three. The combine was like 60 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: it was like a myth, Like they didn't have TVs, 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: they didn't have social mediacast none. It was you didn't 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: get none of that. So it was just like and 63 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: if you didn't know someone who went so I'm I'm 64 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: a small school Lafayette and like I didn't know anyone 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: that was good enough to go to the combine. So 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: I didn't really know nothing. I just was like, I 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: just was here. I just yeah, I didn't. I didn't 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: really heard about they make you run and do drills, 69 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: But I didn't really know. I didn't know what you knew, 70 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: because you know, you had you had your brother like 71 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: I didn't. I couldn't. I couldn't do that. So I 72 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: think it's you're basically now you can get a peek 73 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: at the test. Literally, when my brother came back from 74 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: the combine before his pro that he was already teaching 75 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: me things that he was already learning. Yeah, so I knew. 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: I knew how to getting the forty start before I 77 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: got before I got to my seiing season. I knew 78 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: the steps he was taking in his shottle before I 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: got to my senior season. I used to go visit 80 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: him m J P while he was training. I was 81 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: out there with him, so already was already meeting guys. 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: I was already getting the knowledge of it, and I 83 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: used to practice it during season when I look extra time, 84 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: I always the same thing. I used to always walk 85 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: over hurdles, go under the hurdles, and then work on 86 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: my forty starts. Then when you did the hurdles that 87 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: you has a hair down or was the heir hero 88 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: was up? You know, it was more of it just 89 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: kind of getting a hip stronger and making sure that 90 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: was always right. It was just the extra stuff that 91 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: I did was like not only I'm gonna play football 92 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: and get ready for the season, but I'm gonna get 93 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: my stuff, you know, properly, like ready for when I 94 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: do go into training. I'm already got the head start. 95 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: And then so crazy because like how do you know 96 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: all that? Like y'all know, y'all trained my brother right, Sorry, 97 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm taking the same steps the same as that steps. 98 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: Now you had you had a pretty good combine. Yeah, 99 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: Like it was like a mimic of my brothers. Like 100 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean you you you you showed out. Yeah, it 101 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: was a spend image you. You showed out. I think 102 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: he still hold the record for the fastest, uh right, 103 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: for that's moving a lot of practice. I was practicing 104 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: for a while. I think I think I ran like 105 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: a four four six, so they thought I was gonna round. 106 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: It was funny because the thought I was gonna run 107 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: something like four six four or seven. I remember I 108 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: had one visit and it was with Seattle and he 109 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: asked me, how fast you think you're gonna run? I 110 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: was like, what you think is fast? You're like what four? Line? Back? 111 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: Like four or six? That said, what you think is 112 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: really fast? He was like, well four three or four four? 113 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: I was like, well four three right there down I'm 114 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: running that. It's so crazy. I told my brother, I'm 115 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: around for three just like you. No like a foofolk, 116 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: I see a foofol. I'm a run for three. I 117 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: probably for three. And like my best friend t though, 118 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you're running for three, bro, Like you know, 119 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: all I needed was one guy. You know I'm gonna 120 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: get it. And I told Pete the same thing. They say, 121 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: you think four three very fast? Let's watch out for 122 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: and literally when I run it. They showed a clip 123 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: and he was like, oh my goodness. I told you. 124 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: I remember as soon. I didn't know. Mind you, when 125 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: you're running, you don't know the time until you get back. 126 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: I remember saying, have birthday, mama. I knew I ran fast, See, 127 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: I didn't even I only I think I knew like 128 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: like later that evening or somebody didn't. They didn't knew. 129 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: Once I got done, I was like, have birthday, Mama. 130 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: I just knew you. I felt it. Yeah, that's that's up. 131 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: So when you and your brother were growing up, who 132 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: was always faster? It was back and forth. I feel 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: like I started off the fastest, and then throughout time 134 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: it's like what was going back and forth? And then 135 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: he was coming up, and then that was when I 136 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: was going up in wade this and that. So it 137 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: was the ongoing battle. But it was never a point 138 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: to where somebody was just clearly faster. It was like 139 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: you wanted to work, You're gonna get your hand, you 140 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: ut put your Handshin's gonna line for this one, buddy. 141 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Every time you used to run against the one hundred, 142 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: the two hundred, even when we did the four about four. 143 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: We used to look at times in the four hundred 144 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: jumping no matter what it is, because competition. Even when 145 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: we walk into school, I bet I take less steps 146 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: to you, and it's very so I don't want to 147 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: twitter anything like that, but we I think my brother, 148 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: So I'm my brother and I with three years a party. 149 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: He's always kicked my button full basketball and caller. I 150 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: was like the little running the letter. I think not 151 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: until my sophomore year we played basketball. I was finally 152 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: able to beat my brother. That was a bigger conversation. 153 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Mama, I just happy birthday. Made it. I 154 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: made it so. Yeah, the day I beat my brother 155 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: and he probably don't even notice, but that's when I 156 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: was like I had even more confidence. I was like, 157 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: now that I just beat you, I'm never losing again, 158 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, I got you, I got you. I 159 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: will never lose a game again. Feeling being close to 160 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: my brother though, it was just like you're gonna take 161 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: a l, you're gonna get some w You're gonna feel 162 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: very confident. But it's an L around the corner. Yeah, 163 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: and that's why it was. It was always going at 164 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: it like everything is competition to this day, like now 165 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: we're getting involved in so much stuff, entrepreneurship and stuff 166 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: like that, and it's still competitive. It doesn't stop nowhere. 167 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: But that's what But don't you think that's why you 168 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: are the way you are right now because of how 169 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: you and your brother grew up, meaning um competing against 170 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: each other, like pushing each other. I feel like for us, 171 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: it gave us a competitive edge because I know how 172 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: hard he was going and I wanted to be him. 173 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Anybody who came even under that, I wasn't gonna stand 174 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: a chance. Like you have to give your best at 175 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: this moment for you to win. And that's how we 176 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: felt like it was something when my day to say, um, 177 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: he was running two hundred, he was like, man, I 178 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: was like that, Man, I'm going to the final. But 179 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: these guys so fast, they said they ran this before. 180 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: It like tell them running to day right he did. 181 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: He ran in a couple weeks ago. He got running 182 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: the day to beat me because my time is this, 183 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: but I'm playing on beating my time that I ran 184 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: another week, he got to come with it. And now 185 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: when I wanted two hundred, I was like that here 186 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: on that time today. And it makes someone saying like 187 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: you have to bring your best right now if you 188 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: want to win. And that's what my brother Lou. It's 189 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: either I'm gonna win on he gonna win, but we're 190 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: gonna bring a hundred percent best. If you're not bringing 191 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: out the day, you're gonna take that hell. But I 192 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: know that's what I'm gonna bring. I'm bring Hunt saying 193 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: that's all I got support system is sports is very strong. 194 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that's something where you know, I gave 195 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: us an age too, because not only is my brother competitive, 196 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the stuff and the sacrifices of my 197 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: mom and dad and my older brother's maide. You know, 198 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: they didn't have to how many, how many how many families. 199 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: It's four of us, it's four of us. It's Andre, Terrel, 200 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: my brother, Shaquille, and then I'm the baby. But I 201 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: went in Unfortunately sixty seconds. I could have been sixty second, 202 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: sixty one things I would have been older. What if 203 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: it rose when the flip, but hey, it happens, you know, 204 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: on the baby. But the thing is, I feel like 205 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: for them, my competitiveness really came and started with my 206 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: mom and dad telling me that you can't do this, 207 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: you can't and I felt like they wouldn't allow me 208 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: to make excuses. I mean even when I wanted to 209 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: play running back, I was like, what nine years old, 210 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: and but that like, you sure you're gonna pay running back. 211 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna punch the ball, They're gonna snap the ball 212 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: from I said, no, they're not. He's like, well grab 213 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: the ball. Then I was run in the backyard and 214 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: he snatched me and like slum me across the are. 215 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: I said, I got the ball, though, you're all right, 216 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: play running back and literally twelve touch. That was later 217 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: that year. I was beat that running back. And the 218 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: thing is like he was like gonna sturch the ball 219 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that I told him no, he tried 220 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: every single time and I'm not letting the ball go 221 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: because how did you? But how did you get that mindset? Though? 222 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Like let's in like a shorter version, like talk about 223 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: your left arm and then like how you came and 224 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: like tell me, tell me, tell me that story. I 225 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: mean I feel like, like I said, the support system 226 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: around me and what helped me gain confidence because my 227 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: older brother didn't take a light. My twin brother didn't 228 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: take a light. And I hated losing, so like, what 229 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna do, You're gonna fix it. Even when I 230 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: was learning how to catch the ball, my dad was like, 231 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna get him in the face, and then you're 232 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: gonna learn to stop letting the ball hit your face. 233 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: And I did that. I didn't like the ball hit 234 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: my face. I had to stop. So in me, I 235 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: had to create a confidence, and you know what, I 236 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: really can do this, Like, there's no excusesna make excuse. 237 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna get in the face every time, so 238 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: stop hearing. The excuse is fools on the ball and 239 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: make sure I see it all the way in. Stop 240 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: getting hit in the face. When it comes to me 241 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: with my brother going out and playing football or anything else, 242 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: it was just like, Okay, I know he can do this, 243 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: and I know I can do this too, So it's like, 244 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: how do I get a competitive And I'm just gonna 245 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: keep working and keep working and keep working it until 246 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: it I'm down patting and like, I bet try me now, 247 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: and I got something for you. And as I got 248 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: older and even from like other coaches, other kids, you know, 249 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, kids can be a little not not really knowing, 250 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: but kids are me. You can bleep that out, but yeah, 251 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: kids are kids are me. They say they say, they 252 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: say mean things, they're hurtful, but they know it's just 253 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: they say what they see. And that gets at a 254 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: young age is not only kids are saying stuff. Now. 255 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: My brother was the puncher. I was like, that's funny. 256 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: My brother like, no, that ain't. I had a brother 257 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: like that, you was, he was the hot head. I 258 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: was like the happy go lucky. So I beer and 259 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: my brother was like, man, don't try my brother. I 260 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: got something for you know what. I know, I'm watching you. 261 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: That's how he was. And I remember, um my first interception. 262 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: I was ten years old, and I remember we had 263 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: this one. We had to like you got the way in, 264 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: you gotta make a certain weight. And I remember this 265 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: like right for the last game for the playoff, and 266 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: I was already doing good scoring touchdowns. I was playing 267 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: old line de lion. I was just making plays like crazy. 268 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: And then the coaches telling me it was like, um no, 269 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: let me go back for us. When I was winning 270 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: in he said I was overweight, and mind you, I'm 271 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: doing all this process. And I knew. I waited in 272 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: twice that morning before the actual way in. I said, 273 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: how didn't make way? It's impossible. And then actually when 274 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: I came in, my coach way and I made way. 275 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: And then the coach asked the other coaches like, why 276 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: would you say he didn't make weight? Oh, man's a man. 277 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: It's a two handed sport, Like what does that even means? 278 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: The two in sport? I guess I'm the only one 279 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: who's doing this because I don't deserve to play, and 280 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: then like, now you're gonna play in my two sacks. 281 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: Remember the last game, the clustered playoffs spot and you 282 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: said your ten right? I remember it was a slant route. 283 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Slant route came and I remember just jumped in front 284 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: of it, caught the ball and then spent on my 285 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: back and fail like this first interception of remember you 286 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: holding the ball the game over there, like, yeah, I 287 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: guess you wish you I didn't play for real? Huh 288 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: that gets through the ball at the coach. That's when 289 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: I knew how to shift my mindset to say you 290 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: know what, yeah you said I do. I can't. I 291 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: can't do this. It's not norm, but I'm gonna make 292 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: it a norm for you. I'm gonna making I'm gonna 293 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: make you see how you're supposed to look. So now 294 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: you can't judge if you got one or two because 295 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: I got sex and interception like I did, so like 296 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: not what you're gonna say? Now? Did you? Was that? 297 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: The was that? That was? So? That was the first 298 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: time he felt that, you know, a coach treat you 299 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: a certain kind of way because of only having one hand. Yes, 300 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: did you? Did you? Have to do that in college. 301 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: Excuse me, high school, every literal league to high school 302 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: to high school to college, the college to the league. 303 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: It's it's a process. It's another barrier that you've got 304 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: to be able to steal in the league. You still 305 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: got it even after it got worse in college. Yeah, 306 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: it got really blunt because that's their job on the line. 307 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, when when they started being like the high 308 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: school was, I was. I was already outstanding of people 309 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: around me. So it was just like I was able 310 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: to work through that and me and kill was on 311 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: our way to going to the same college. But when 312 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: I got to college, that's when I know business is 313 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: real because now I kind of found out that the 314 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: coach that recruited us knowing that we was gonna go 315 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: to a separate school. But like, what do I need 316 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: to do to get Shaquille Griffin here? I gotta bring 317 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: on his brother. And I thought, I'm head over here, 318 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: like I made it. Now I'm here. Then three years 319 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: going by and next ure, you know, I'm getting all 320 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: kind of neglect. I'm getting talked down about. You know, 321 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: I was on the I was on the scout team 322 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: for a while, and I remember literally that the next 323 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: few years, the weight coaches like you only image of 324 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: your brother, You just a shadow, or you're never gonna 325 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: be nothing. You think you're gonna really go out there 326 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: and then ball out. We're doing all this work, you 327 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: think you're gonna really get there, Like I don't know 328 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: what kind of reinforcement he was going to put on me, 329 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: but it was not the one I wanted, and like yeah, 330 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: and it was tough, and then I got to the 331 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: point where I got sent home. My third year, I 332 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: had to work two jobs. I remember, I was toying 333 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: for my dad from seven am to six I work 334 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: out from six thirty to seven thirty, and then I'll 335 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: go from my job from no to one am, cleaning 336 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: the builders with my brother. And at that time, like, man, 337 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm home. Ain't nothing I gonna do. And then my 338 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: coach telling me or called my brother into the office 339 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: or I'm home throughout the last few months, and like 340 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, gonn sing your brother to a juco or 341 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: do two school to finish education. I don't think football 342 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: is for him, Like, well, you never gave me a 343 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: chance to the show where I can do the thing. 344 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: All I did to this setting the side scout team 345 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: or doing whatever I can do. You send me home 346 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: to see if my brother can do well without me, 347 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: as if I was a distraction, and my brothers like, 348 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: we'll send me, send me too. I need my paper 349 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: work quit right now. So we're both going my brothers 350 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: like he stormed out. It's like as it, I'm going 351 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: to do two of my brother. And then they called 352 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: him back, like we'll bring your brother back. The same 353 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: process over again for him to stay, you gotta bring 354 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: me back. I remember I was literally I remember this 355 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: same as that outfit. I might have some orange and 356 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: white Griffy's on blue Wrangler jeans and a neon green 357 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: shirt that all my dad's so like sizes like thirty 358 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: eight pants and I wore like a thirty it was 359 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: a two ex shirt. I wore a medium, so like yeah, 360 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just work closed. And I remember we called 361 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: me like you come back to school and I got 362 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: my scholarship back. And then I when we had the 363 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: O M twelve year and he left like the sixth 364 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: game of the season, I'm just for me to come back. 365 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: He made me murther cut out hair, like you would 366 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: not look at this on our team, like you're gonna 367 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: cut your hair and you're gonna have match our uniform, 368 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: like we got dressed when we don't match the uniform. 369 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: So it was like a whole thing that's going back 370 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: and forth, like he didn't want us to be there, 371 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: they didn't want me to be there. And then that's 372 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: when we got the opportunity with Scott Frost and first 373 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: meeting feel like why didn't you play? Like we're looking 374 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: at your your patents tape and this and that, like 375 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: you were just type A player while you didn't play 376 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: cold honestly, and I think I could play. I saw disability. 377 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: I was like, do you think I could play here? 378 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm not judging you that. Of course Frost told me, 379 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: he said, you gotta clean slate here, show them what 380 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: you're out. I said, thank you, That's all I needed. 381 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: And then they sudn't know my first time starting. I 382 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: remember the first play, I was chasing a stretch. I 383 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: remember soon I start changing, the boss started throwing up anxiety. 384 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't have been so long. I told my back, 385 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I don't know what 386 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: to do. He's like, bro, how you can't breathe. You're 387 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: talking to me. Oh yeah, you're right right, I said, listen, bro, 388 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: I know it's been a while, but listen. It's my 389 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: brother senior year or two. So I've been waiting for 390 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: a while to get to that point. He's like, bro, 391 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: just play football. You've been doing this for so long. 392 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: Just play you here, now play and they say no. 393 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 1: The next place, sack, another sack, forced fumble, brother got 394 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: two interceptions. It was like, that was my breakout game 395 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: and next ain't no. Thirteen sexs later, I was a 396 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: decent player of the Year All American Is. It's like, boy, 397 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: I'd been a long time waiting on that, but that's 398 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: all I needed. Just let me just imagine if you 399 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: could have did that with the previous regime administration, Like 400 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: you do, you do? You do? You often think about that. No. 401 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: I feel like for me is if somebody's like, would 402 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: you go back and do it again? I was like yes, 403 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: because it created a different beast in me. I already 404 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: had one. But it's like I could have the mindset 405 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: and let it phoone me. Come on you, I didn't 406 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: when I working on two jobs. A lot of people 407 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: are gonna just take that hour to workout. They weren't 408 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: thought they mean nothing, but it meant something to me. 409 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm exhausted. I'm working. I'm working money through 410 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: Saturday because I'm trying to keep that schedule as if 411 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm in school. I don't want to I don't want 412 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: to sleep in the house. I don't want to just 413 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: be running around the neighborhood. No, I don't want to 414 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: hang out with my friends. I'm gonna go to work, 415 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna workout. I'm gonna go back to work. I'm 416 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna go to sleep and do it all over again. 417 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: I remember my dad was telling me, like, you save 418 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: your money like eight while wats for breakfast, munching done, 419 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: had the whole routine laid down until I got my shot. 420 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: My brother's literally called, like you're working out, taking off 421 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: my neon green shirt, my regular genia. I'm getting ready now, man. No, 422 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: and I go at the workout, go clean business. But 423 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: I like in me is my brother still checking out 424 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: me and he's not giving up. I'm not gonna give 425 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: up because he gave up a lot just for me 426 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: to be even beat that with him. So I'm gonna 427 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: keep until I get back. I don't know how it's 428 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna look. I'm gonna keep going. And then and it 429 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: worked out like I feel like me being up to 430 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: get over the obstacles and teach myself about how to 431 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: change my mindset that they know what. It's never over. 432 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: You know, things just don't go your way when you 433 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: want it. Keep fighting, it's gonna it's gonna turn over 434 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 1: because having a bad hand, you're gonna get some good 435 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: cars later. I got you, man, That's how I felt, 436 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: and end up working out like damn, I finally got 437 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: me a good hand. I'm gonna play the hell like 438 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: this hand. Now damn show did damn show good? So 439 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: when you read Central Florida, y'all want the national championship, right, 440 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: So there's we gotta we gotta talk about this like 441 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: discrepancy if like if y'all want it or so what 442 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: we all ranks? Because I knew you guys was after 443 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: before we end up playing arben Um doing the peace ball, 444 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: we was already ranked number ten and after beating and 445 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: was ranked number five or six, But we never really 446 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to even get into the playoff. Frank anyway, 447 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: we thought we would, you know, what I'm saying. It's 448 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: not always like well, uh this the season was not 449 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: as hard as on the season, but we're bought our 450 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: teams about points make it hard then and they were like, well, 451 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna put Urban on the Peach Bowl is put 452 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: them on the And for us, it was just like, 453 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: we want to showcase what we can do. We don't 454 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: care about what name they got, but that's how we 455 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: was brought up. We created our culture within u C 456 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: for like, no matter who you is, no matter what 457 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: team you come from, no matter how big you are, 458 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: we dogs too, and all dogs come in differentiation sizes. 459 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: Because we wanted to showcase that, and no, man, we're 460 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: still to this day, I still scream we wish we 461 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: had Alabama. I wanted to feel couple that we was 462 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: abusing it was abusing armor. I need somebody else to 463 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: abuse all this big dog talk and literally it's so 464 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: crazy in the interview is just like what y'all gonna 465 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: do versus Arbor? Why I keep asking why what we're 466 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: gonna do? And what came? How y'all gonna stop that? Well? 467 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: I can't this is that why I can't talk about 468 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: what good places we're gonna make it. Well, yeah, I 469 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: know you're gonna do this and do that talk good 470 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: out of You're already telling us we're gonna get our buzzswood, right, 471 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: So it's all right. I said, yeah, I said, we 472 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: can be on the dog. We're gonna see us that 473 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to see us, and thank is. We 474 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: want to showcase that to the entire country. But and 475 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: sometimes they'd be afraid of our little dog. That bite 476 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: real hard. I ain't want to see it. So whose 477 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: idea was to put because on the ring it says 478 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: national me, me, Mackenzie, who else? Who else? To us? 479 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot of us. We go like we go, 480 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: like you know, got the captains. So it was like 481 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: five hours, we're gonna put that on there. We're gonna 482 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: put that on and we wanted on the banner on 483 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: that stadium. They're gonna see this every year. Facts we're 484 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: designing beating national championship. I don't care. You have to 485 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: put my little number one big national championship. So that 486 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: was okay. So team captains decided that okay, they gave 487 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: it the option two and like they're gonna go to 488 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: the board because I guess Alabama and one year claimed 489 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: the national championship also, so I was like, so we're 490 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: not the first one. We're claiming this because we got 491 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: to go through the boards and the n C Double 492 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: A and everything, and they all lot of us do it. 493 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: It's over. I get these rings, right, Okay, Okay, so 494 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: y'all know, so you can just so if I won, 495 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. We always go to the money grab 496 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: bowl in my my college. Ain't nothing wrong with the 497 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: money right, wrong with it. So first off, I won 498 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: six games in college all four years, Like yeah, yeah, 499 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't think people know that, Like, like, I won 500 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: six games. So I feel you when you talk about 501 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: like to keep moving, just keep pushing. Yeah, I had 502 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: a I had a terrible hand. I had to play 503 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: what I had and eventually the hard work paid off. 504 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever got a good hand as 505 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: far as winning games or anything like that, but yeah, 506 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: the hand paid off is as far as just the 507 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: work that was stayed, staying focused in the work that 508 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: I put into, um, just my craft and trying to 509 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: get better. A lot of humility because it's it's hard 510 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: to stay full is when you're doing a lot of 511 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: losing there's a lot of negativity within the office, the people, 512 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: and it's a contagious it's a contagious energy when it 513 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: couldn't losing. So it's tough to work at craft. And 514 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: you know what I believe and what I'm putting out there. 515 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Everybody like it's a team sport, 516 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: but you still have to focals on your craft and 517 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: doing right no matter the loss of the win. The 518 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: thing that blew me away was I was on scal 519 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: poor kid at came from nothing, made something and you know, 520 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: my mom, dad, they worked hard, did a good job 521 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: raising me. So I couldn't afford college. But I'm on 522 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: this scholarship and again we're like waterboy, like we're just 523 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: losing games non stop, and like you said, we're being 524 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: teams about points. I was, Yeah, I was that team. 525 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: I was on the other side. So I don't, I don't, 526 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what it's like to be 527 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: anybody by forty or fifty points. Like we was the 528 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: team on the just the other end of the stick, 529 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: like it just was bad. Happen to get in a 530 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: ball game. So we got to a bowl game. When 531 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: I graduate, or excuse me, Like when I graduated and 532 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: then like years, a decade went by and now they're 533 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: in bowl games, like now they're you know, top twenty whatever. 534 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: But when I was there, we got and I told 535 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: us amandi tumor. I was like, you got a pair 536 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: of cleats, you got a pair of gloves, and you 537 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: got a set of wrist bands, and that was all 538 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: you had for the years. So if you played a 539 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: team just for the game, no no, no, no, no, 540 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: no no no, just for the season, you gotta pair 541 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: of wrist bands for the season. So you was looking 542 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: clean the first Yeah, I know, I know, And I 543 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: went to a D one. I was a small D one, 544 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: but that was one pair of gloves. So even when 545 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: you got a tear, or get some tape or put 546 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: some of that the stuff that they spray on your 547 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: to make the tape stick to make the pre priv 548 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: as a different time, you have to straight up alright, 549 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: they they good right now. I got about ten catches 550 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: and not before I got to spread again. So I 551 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: come from a I come from a different time. But 552 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: I say that to say I applaud you in respect 553 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: going through that and then having I don't know, you're 554 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: ten years old and having a coach a this is 555 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: a two hand sport young man that then going to 556 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: high school and then dealing with whatever coaches told you 557 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: there and then I'm sure there were probably some some 558 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: non believers, some doubters when you made it to the 559 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: next level, and I'm sure they're probably still some doubters now. 560 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: It became a norm. I mean even before the Combine, 561 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna comb invite to the last invite was 562 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: sent and I went. After all these years I had, 563 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: you know, I put up some good numbers. I was 564 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: in that caliber talk with everybody else but them coaches 565 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: that was choosing all the votes. I was coming in 566 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,239 Speaker 1: didn't believe, like, you know, I could come in and 567 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: really show what I've been putting out in the field. 568 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: And I remember going to the Singing Bowl and I 569 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: put on another show. It was it was the Pactice. 570 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: It was the practice week m VP for putting on 571 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: good tape. And I finally got my invite. I remember 572 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: they said make a video. Was I was in was 573 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: in Dallas outside of uh green is Green is grill? 574 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: I angle? He said make this video right now. He 575 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: took me outside, make a video and said that you 576 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: got invited. Let them know that they messed up. You 577 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: should put that out there by your should Like he said, 578 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: oh yeah, man, they talk, they talk to your mess 579 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: right now. I was like, yeah, I got invited to 580 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: the combine. Yeah, you messed up, you messed up. I 581 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: got something for y'all. Dampoo posted on Twitter. They said no, 582 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: he said no, and I said, back it up now? 583 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: Is it is it safe to say that you're your 584 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: older brother? About one minute? Is your biggest fan? Oh 585 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: big fans, biggest fan, biggest being on in my hero? 586 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: And after I called my whole family my hero. You know, 587 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: everybody they don't see like a little avengers. You know, 588 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: they they set a pathway for me to to really 589 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: give my best, you know what I'm saying, and all 590 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: the negativity and stuff like that. You know, like I said, 591 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: avengers can't save every single thing. But they was able 592 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: to put their sholds around me and it made and 593 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: it made a real good path for me. I could 594 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: have went left, could with the other way. I could 595 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: have went backwards, but they believe me so hardly, like 596 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: there's no reason for me not to go forward. I think, 597 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: like life, it's hard and you know, life is like 598 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: one long journey, and in journey you need guides and 599 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: along the way in life you gotta figure out who 600 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: those guides are. And I've been blessed and luck enough 601 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: to to to um, there was a gentleman. We walked out, 602 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: I think y'all walked in front of me, and I 603 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: adapted him up. His name is Dwayne Joseph. He was 604 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: my player engagement coach. Now he's the assistant general manager, 605 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: and um, I talking about time vague, and when he 606 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: was the player engagement guy, we talked about goals and everything, 607 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: and he said my goal, I want to be a 608 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: general manager, and he said it in stone. Now he's 609 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: he's I think he's almost there and he should be 610 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: a general manager in this league. But I remember that 611 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: that was like two thousand three, and I remember that 612 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: and him just like preaching and just mentoring and and 613 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: telling me all these things. And I to this day, 614 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: I still tell that story how he helped me and 615 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: and I'm still using things that he taught me when 616 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: I was a little dumb, young rookie. And you have 617 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: an important job this weekend with these with these prospects 618 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: coming in and man I'm just uh, I'm happy you're here. 619 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm happy they reached out to you. I hope that 620 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: they listen, we had a good car yesterday. I will 621 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: teaching some of the lb is about financial literacy. Yeah, 622 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: may didn't even understand that at that point, and I 623 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: was like, I didn't. I didn't have the opportunity to 624 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: hear somebody from my point of view when I was 625 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: when I was going through this process, I stuck. So 626 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you what I felt like I should 627 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: have had. So I'm gonna teach you this. You know 628 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm giving you out there, Like when 629 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: you start getting a little bit of money, don't be 630 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: trying to just put all that. It's it's okay to 631 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: enjoy yourself, but it's okay to take bits and pieces 632 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: and set yourself up for something else. And I even 633 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: broke it down down to the math. Now you can 634 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: do this and be able to do that. Like, listen, 635 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: I know one thing is I learned, like a lot 636 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: of people say me growing up, especially where I come from, 637 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: they alwaysupposed to run away from that. Don't have that, 638 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: don't have that. And I get to the point where 639 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity that I'm in and as the 640 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: thing gets to run to it and create opportunity bigger 641 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: than you even imagine. And I put that all into 642 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: perspective from them, and they was able to see light 643 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 1: from that. So now I know, like, obviously you can 644 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: talk to the big group of people, but you don't 645 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: even need a few people are gonna take it in. 646 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Somebody will, And I know that it was. It was 647 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: something where vowed them, vowed that kid in their shoes. 648 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: I would have been that guy who I was a 649 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: spun I'm taking it all in, So I knew how 650 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: valuable it was. And now I can see five times 651 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: for you. I may get a text, I may get 652 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: a tweet or a d M and thinking like thank you, bro, 653 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: thank you for that, and it goes a long way 654 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: because I know me showing him that next five ten years, 655 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna show somebody else. He gonna show somebody else, 656 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: and it's an on going sting. And now you just 657 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: create a new culture within the combined experience. As far 658 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: as Tesse's cares, something that you want to know. Financial 659 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: literacy being able to not only have money and enjoy 660 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: yourself and be able to put things and set up 661 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: for the future. You don't know how it's gonna go. 662 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: You know, everybody ain't. Everybodyn't have the same hand. Set 663 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: yourself up. You got an opportunity for you gonna start 664 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: getting some things. Do right with it. Mike Drop, We're 665 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: gonna end it on that note. I'm Peanut Tillman came Griffin. 666 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you for listening to tuning in. 667 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the NFL Players Podcast. Don't 668 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: forget to subscribe and follow at NFL Players Podcast on 669 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: Instagram for the latest players stories and to connect with 670 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: the NFL Players community.