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Speaker 1: there were certainly those types of things. What I wish

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Speaker 1: I would have been able to do in order to

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Speaker 1: get a better idea is to be around it, like

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Speaker 1: to be around that community and see what you know,

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Speaker 1: their family life was, Like what was you know? Because

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Speaker 1: all that I knew was what was portrayed in the media,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure now there's a lot more accurate portrayals of it.

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Speaker 1: But back back then, I mean in the early nineties,

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Speaker 1: I guess, like if my own son who's thirteen, he's

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Speaker 1: got things that he wants to do and things he

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Speaker 1: him around people that do that to let them speak

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Speaker 1: it is and it's it's not that it's going to

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Speaker 1: be romanticized or so I don't know if you when

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Speaker 1: you can start going on right alongs or that's a

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Speaker 1: great Now. I bet you there's some kind of clinic

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Speaker 1: there's there's always land in the there's always the idea

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Speaker 1: of you go and you get a job there in

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Speaker 1: the mailroom or taking off the trash right and you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I want to do this. I want to do whatever

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Speaker 1: it takes. Do you have anybody in the mail room

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Speaker 1: that needs help. I will intern, I'll do it for free.

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Speaker 1: I want to take off the trash. I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to clean the garden beds of the precinct.

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Speaker 1: But I just I think land, and there's there's got

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Speaker 1: to be a checklist that you can get into pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: After you listen to this podcast. You can get in

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Speaker 1: and just make you a little short list and go,

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Speaker 1: I got to run this kind of mile, I got

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Speaker 1: to lift this kind of weight, I have to have

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Speaker 1: this kind of grade at school. And and other than

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Speaker 1: that what Chad said, just absorb it around you. Get

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Speaker 1: get involved as much as you can. Don't forget to

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Speaker 1: live your life as a fourteen year old kid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: be fourteen, be fourteen, and maybe get into trouble. I'll

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Speaker 1: get in trouble. It's like go steal a bike. No,

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Speaker 1: don't do that. Just totally kidding. Yeah, I love it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's awesome. Hey, Landon, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: kids that are that are having this dream so much respect.

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Speaker 1: I wish that we had an entire generation like you

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Speaker 1: that says, I love law enforcement. This is all I've

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Speaker 1: ever wanted to do. I have no aspirations past that.

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Speaker 1: I think. That's that's awesome, buddy, So hats off to you.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna be in Boise Man and like August

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth, somewhere in the twenties, so like, well, we'll

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Speaker 1: see you soon. It's beautiful over there. That's so you

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Speaker 1: need me to carry you yeah, I need to carry

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Speaker 1: Back to the podcast. I have another one for you here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how triggered this is going to be Chad,

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Speaker 1: but the title is burnt Out by the Ministry for

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Speaker 1: Pastor Chad, says, Hey Granger, Pastor Chad, my name is David.

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Speaker 1: I'm nineteen years old. I'm from North Carolina. Pause, nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 1: That isn't add up. Burnt out okay, says A couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I emailed Granger about his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: gospel music. Well, I have a question for Pastor Chad

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Speaker 1: now relating to the ministry. My question is this, what

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Speaker 1: do you do when you feel burnt out by the ministry.

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Speaker 1: I'm interning in a church in New Jersey for the

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Speaker 1: summer and God has really blessed me. I've learned a

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Speaker 1: lot and the church has blessed me a ton. But

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Speaker 1: the church is in transition and searching for a new pastor,

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Speaker 1: and with that comes a lot of stress from the

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Speaker 1: congregation staff and myself. I have been here only for

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Speaker 1: a month, and while it's been a blessing, I'm just

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Speaker 1: burnt out from constant negativity, questions we can answer, and

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Speaker 1: getting used to this new environment. It's been hard to

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Speaker 1: stay positive and energized. Would love to hear back from

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Speaker 1: you guys. Thanks for what you guys do, ye you,

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Speaker 1: David ah Man. That's it's a Unfortunately, it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: common scenario where people feel called into full time vocational ministry,

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Speaker 1: pastoral work, minister at work, and they get to that point.

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Speaker 1: It's sad that he's nineteen and he's there, but unfortunately

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Speaker 1: not surprising as well. I mean, it doesn't take long

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Speaker 1: to get there. And there are things that you have

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Speaker 1: to hold on to as you respond to that call

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Speaker 1: and you engage in this kind of work, and that

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Speaker 1: is remembering that God is the one that called you

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Speaker 1: and you work for him. It's very easy to get

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Speaker 1: caught up, whatever the structure of the church or the

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Speaker 1: ministry or the organization is, to think that your primary

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Speaker 1: report is to people and to their opinions and what

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Speaker 1: they want from you. But just to always remember God's

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Speaker 1: one to put you there, that you're His called shepherd

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Speaker 1: or person in that position, and so you're beholden to Him.

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Speaker 1: And oftentimes, and we see this in the scripture, God

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Speaker 1: puts on the heart or leads a leader to do

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Speaker 1: something that's unpopular with the people, not unbiblical, but unpopular,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to face resistance. But those people always

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Speaker 1: are absolutely sure that it's God that they're following and

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Speaker 1: that he's leading them. And so as much as they

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure from people, they serve him that he

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Speaker 1: is the boss, he's who they work for. I'd also

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Speaker 1: say it's important to have a network of support friends

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Speaker 1: outside of that direct ministry experience. So I've got friends

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Speaker 1: from other churches, other pastors, other ministries that aren't in

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Speaker 1: my current church, and it's just refreshing to hear what

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Speaker 1: the Lord's doing in their world, what they're wrestling with,

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Speaker 1: and it's a place that I can decompress with them

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Speaker 1: and I can work through challenges that I'm facing or

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Speaker 1: frustrations that I have, and they're able to listen say yep,

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Speaker 1: now get back in the game staying there. You got this,

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Speaker 1: So having those kind of people outside of your immediate

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Speaker 1: context is huge. It sounds like he doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of that. Yeah, that can be challenging, David. We

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Speaker 1: could hit this from a couple different one being just

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Speaker 1: a simple fact that it's a summer internship. That should

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Speaker 1: be enough to energize you through this. There's an end date,

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Speaker 1: there's a temple world, and you can and on one

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Speaker 1: one hand, you could go, hey, I'm learning, I'm learning

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Speaker 1: the kind of people I don't really want to be

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Speaker 1: around right now. You could say it in that way,

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Speaker 1: keep it in mind exactly what Chad said that God

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Speaker 1: so you see a stagnant environment that you don't that

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be a part of. It could

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Speaker 1: be that he's showing you this is not your calling.

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Speaker 1: That too, he brought you here to experience this and

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Speaker 1: you go, man, this isn't what I'm wired for. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other angle I could take this from is this,

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Speaker 1: this is typically this kind of thing is a leadership problem.

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Speaker 1: It's a trickle down problem. If they're changing leadership, it

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Speaker 1: would explain even more why this is a trickle down

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Speaker 1: questions we can't answer, getting used to this environment, hard

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Speaker 1: to stay positive, energized. That's all that. All that is

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Speaker 1: trickling down from bad leadership, not bad people, bad leadership,

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Speaker 1: and it's in transition, so that could it could not

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Speaker 1: even fall in anyone one person's shoulders. So you could

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Speaker 1: learn from this and you can go this is not

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Speaker 1: how this is not how I would be leading, And

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give into negativity. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be the one that stays positive in the hallways and

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Speaker 1: see somebody, I'm gonna bring I'm going to bring that energy.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring that light because that is up

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Speaker 1: to you, and you can be the one that does it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to fall into constant negativity, the questions

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Speaker 1: you can't answer. What's wrong with saying we can't answer

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Speaker 1: that right now? There's a positive way to not being

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Speaker 1: able to answer questions. Man, David, I could relate this

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Speaker 1: see crews, audio crews at big, massive festivals and they're

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Speaker 1: just walking around, just mad. And I'm thinking, you're doing

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Speaker 1: Traveling around in a tour bus, eating catering. Ten years ago,

626
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Speaker 1: this was your dream. Now you're mad and you're negative

627
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: because it's hot or it's too windy, or the rain

628
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Speaker 1: might come at three o'clock, or the people are getting

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Speaker 1: outside the barricade and you have to fix it, or whatever.

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Speaker 1: The thousands of reasons humans will continually fall back to

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Speaker 1: I'd also say one of my mentors told me, in

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Speaker 1: the ministry, there's a lot of stuff that you're going

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Speaker 1: to do that wasn't what you imagined it to be, Like,

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Speaker 1: this isn't what I thought pastoral ministry was going to be.

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Speaker 1: Or there's just a lot of stuff you do that's

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Speaker 1: just not fun and a lot of challenges. But he said,

638
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: you have to set boundaries and ensure that you get

639
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: to do a fair amount of what does energize you,

640
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: what does fill your cup in the way that you're

641
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: called designed to serve that kind of thing, things that

642
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: interest you, and ensure that you protect that you get

643
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: to do those things, and it allows you to navigate

644
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: and endure the many things that aren't enjoyable. And I'm

645
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: sure for you, man, there's probably a lot of stuff

646
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: you got to do that's just part of the business,

647
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: just part of the music industry. It's not your favorite

648
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: and it can be a drag, but you make sure

649
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: that you get to do enough of what you do

650
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: love songwriting and being with fans and getting to deliver

651
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: your music to people and share that with people. That

652
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: makes the rest of it okay. That's worth it, absolutely

653
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: And you could sum that up by saying, David, keep

654
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: your gratefulness higher than your expectations. You're expecting so much

655
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: from this church and you're not as grateful for the position.

656
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: Just make yourself it doesn't have to be a lot

657
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: more grateful. You'd just be a little tiny bit more

658
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: grateful than you expect out of the job. Gratefulness above expectations,

659
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: and you're not going to feel that drag. You could

660
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: relate that to any job, David. There's plenty of other

661
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: jobs out there. You could switch to another profession and

662
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: feel the same way in the same thing. Not being said,

663
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: I can't relate to this particular job like Chad can,

664
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: but I could say with almost certainty, no one gets

665
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: into the ministry and goes I'm looking to get in

666
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: ministry because it's gonna be fun. Yeah, it's not the

667
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: first reason you would say so. And that has to

668
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: do with lower your expectations a bit. Hire the gratefulness,

669
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: and that's really good. Let me just fine gratefulness above expectations.

670
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you made that up, but that's brilliant.

671
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: I didn't make it up, but I don't remember where

672
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: I heard it, but I've used it for so long.

673
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: That is really good. And it could relate to we're

674
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: playing a gig and when we used to be in

675
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: the van and we would have to load in and soundcheck,

676
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: and then we would get in the van and go

677
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: to eat dinner, go to a hotel room and change clothes,

678
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: come back to the venue, and we come back the

679
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: parking lot. What does it look like? It's like the

680
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: instant idea of how this night's gonna go. Is it

681
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: packed or are there like four cars there? So if

682
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: you just keep your expectations low. Like, man, it's Friday night.

683
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna play a gig tonight. You know, I don't

684
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: even care who comes. Then when you roll up and

685
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: there's fifteen cars, you go, dude, fifteen cars, maybe they

686
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: had five people in them each car, It's gonna be

687
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: pretty good night. But if you played there last year

688
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: and there was one hundred cars, and then you roll

689
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: up this year after dinner and there's fifty cars you

690
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: were expecting one hundred or more, it's gonna be a

691
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: bad night. You've lost the gratefulness of what the night is.

692
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: So thanks for the question, Dave. Again, I appreciate your brother.

693
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: We got some stuff. How about football and peer pressure? Yeah,

694
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: it's football. We're getting into the fall season. Per two

695
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: days are probably starting. Hey Grange, I've listened to many

696
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: of your podcasts and your songs. My favorite song of

697
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: yours is America, Thank You Buddy. It says I'm from

698
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: a small town in Iowa this or second Iowa, Second Iowa,

699
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: and I'm thirteen. I'm going into the eighth grade. At

700
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: my school. Sports is a huge thing. I've played football

701
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: at my school for three years now, and this year

702
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I've decided not to play football. It's just not my thing.

703
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: But some of my friends really want to play, and

704
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to. How should I handle this? I

705
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: love your advice. I'd really love you to help me out.

706
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Thanks in advance. I would like to remain anonymous. Well

707
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: how do I process? You're thirteen, so I could approach

708
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: this in two ways, one your buddy, two father figure.

709
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: I might have the same answer with both. I would say,

710
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: if a lot of your friends you say, some of

711
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: my friends really want to play, if those are close

712
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: friends of yours, I would follow them into football, because

713
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: you're risking separating yourself from that friend group and football.

714
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: I love football. I talked about it on the last podcast.

715
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons I love football is because

716
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: it's not talent and skill based. It is camaraderie. It

717
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: is mental toughness, It is show up and compete. It

718
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: is it is be available, be ready, and much less

719
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: like baseball is so much more skill and right place,

720
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: right time and patience, and football is is eleven guys

721
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: and they're gonna put on helmets and we're gonna get

722
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: out there and try to win this game regardless, and

723
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: it comes in all different shapes and sizes of people

724
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, all different skill levels. So this is my

725
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: first my first bit, Sam, Sorry, why do I do that? Luckily?

726
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: Why do I do that? My first bit to you,

727
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: sir is, uh, follow your friends in there. You're in

728
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: eighth grade. Give it, give it one more year. That's

729
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: what I would ask you. Give it one more year

730
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: for your friend's sake, so that you could be with them.

731
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: It's not about starting. It's not about being a star.

732
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: It's not about being a hero in the field. It's

733
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: about going through August and September with these guys in Iowa.

734
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: I was just not in Iowa recently with a head

735
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: football coach actually, and I was such a cool, cool

736
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: little stadium in green Grass and just being a part

737
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: of that, being a part of something that's bigger than you,

738
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: that's greater than you, where you're contributing, not necessarily always

739
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: on the field, but you're there contributing morally with your friends.

740
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: You're there to give them support. And unless you could

741
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: replace all that I just said with something else in

742
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: eighth grade, like maybe it's track or baseball or chess

743
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: or math team. If you could replace it with that,

744
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: do it. But if you can't and you're just gonna

745
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: do nothing, I would say follow your friends in footb Yeah,

746
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions for Anonymous. What kind

747
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: of friends are they? Are these the kind of friends

748
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: that you want to be? Like? Are they good friends?

749
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: Are they you know, a good peer group? This is

750
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: obviously the dad and the pastor and me. I'm not

751
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: answering as a friend, but whether you should or shouldn't

752
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: I think a question that you probably want to answer

753
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: is what do you want to be true of you

754
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: in a year from now? Like, in terms of your

755
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: relationship with these guys and these friends, do you want

756
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: a deeper friendship? And there's no doubt if you go

757
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: through something as challenging as a football season with a

758
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: group of guys, the highs and the lows, everything that

759
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: you have to traverse with them is going to draw

760
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: you closer. There's something about having to go through something

761
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: difficult together that just forms bonds and friendships that can

762
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: last a lifetime and develop character. And there's all kinds

763
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: of benefits even if it's And the other question would

764
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: be why don't you want to? Is there something about

765
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: or something you've had as an experience that that just

766
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: you go, you know what, I don't want to have

767
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: to work that hard. I don't want to go through

768
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: two days. I don't want to have to get hit.

769
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: Or is there something more, you know, severe that really

770
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: good point that's causing you to not want to do it?

771
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: So I would just wigh. Is it just a I

772
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: wanted to have a free fall and just kind of

773
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: be in the stands and hang out with the ladies,

774
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: or I guess there's other guys that don't play football too, right,

775
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: But what's the reason why you wouldn't really good point

776
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: to listen to anonymous that what are you trading this for?

777
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: Why are you deciding not to do it? I promise

778
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: you that when you do. First of all, let me

779
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: say that the last three years, which have been fifth grade,

780
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: sixth grade, and seventh grade, aren't going to be the

781
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: same caliber football as eighth grade football. That's going to be.

782
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: It's going to be different and you will be able

783
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: to say one day. I promise you in your job,

784
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: when your job gets hard and something you have a challenge,

785
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: you're going to go. You know what, I remember standing

786
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: out there in October and the cold rain, standing ankle

787
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: deep in mud, in that field with my buddies. This

788
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: isn't that bad. That was tough. You're going to learn

789
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: so many life lessons like that. You get about about

790
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: winning and losing and struggling and fighting through adversity and

791
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: competition and challenges and overcoming them together as a group.

792
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: That all these things you're going to learn. And once

793
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: again I got to say, this is not about talent

794
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: and skill and fame and notoriety. Some very few kids

795
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: get that. But what you're really going to get out

796
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: of football is this group. And we're made as humans

797
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: to be connected in a group. So I challenge you

798
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: to to rewind this podcast and listen to what Chad

799
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: said and question your reasons. As a dad, as a pastor,

800
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: We're going to question why are you not wanting to play?

801
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: And this is this is not what you wanted to

802
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: hear in this podcast. Probably when you wrote in this

803
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: is not what you're expecting, you wanted us to say, Well,

804
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: you go out there, just do what you know, do

805
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: you man? B you bu But I feel pretty serious

806
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: about this, and I would say too that if there

807
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: is something else, that another reason why you shouldn't do it,

808
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: and it's a good reason then obviously we don't have

809
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: that information, and we're going off of what you've indicated here.

810
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: But there's a few things that for my own son,

811
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: who's thirteen and looking at a fall season of sports,

812
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: like I want, I want him to know that this

813
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: is a season that will pass. He has very few

814
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: opportunities to do this kind of stuff. I mean, the

815
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: opportunities to play on a team sport and to I mean,

816
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: you've got probably only five more opportunities to do this,

817
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: and then once you get off, most people aren't going

818
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: to be able to do this in college or in

819
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: their adult life. So it's a unique season of life

820
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: to take advantage of these kind of things. Also, we're

821
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: training future men. We're not raising boys, we're raising men.

822
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: And we need a generation of young men that can

823
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: take the hill, that can and that comes because they've

824
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: decided to do hard things and they've survived them and

825
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: they've gotten better for it. So do hard things, anonymous,

826
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: all right, we need we need men like you to

827
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: lead in the future. So do hard stuff, make hard choices.

828
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: And if you've ever said yes to any one of

829
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: these buddies when they said, hey, are you gonna play football,

830
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: and you said yes, then you better do it because

831
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: your word is your bond. That's so good. What do

832
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: you say? We have to we have to have men

833
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: that could take the hill. Yes, we need men that

834
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: can take the hill, that could take the hill. Yes,

835
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that man. And let me

836
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: say one more time, Anonymous, let me just clarify. If

837
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: you're saying you want to replace this with soccer cool,

838
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: wrestling great, cross country cool, it's not. This is not

839
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: football specific. This is doing difficult things, do hard things.

840
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: It'll be better for it, and when you do it

841
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: in a group, even even better than that. Right, thank

842
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: you for email. We got time. We have time, Chad, sweet,

843
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this over to you. We have military

844
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: marriage is hard. We have relationship problems. We have feeling

845
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: lost in a fog. Advice from a fan, grief belief

846
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: differences in relationship. You have advice from a fan. I

847
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: think it was miss misstated here, okay, advice to us.

848
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear. I thought that I read it.

849
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Speaker 1: And let's jump into one of those relationship marriage ones.

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Speaker 1: Which one do you want? You want the belief differences

851
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Speaker 1: in a relationship, relationship problems or military marriages is hard

852
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Speaker 1: belief differences sounds says, Hey Granger, I'd like to remain anonymous.

853
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Speaker 1: You got it, he says. I'm a strong Christian, but

854
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Speaker 1: my boyfriend considers himself agnostic. He doesn't understand why God

855
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: would let bad things happen to people and children, like cancer, starvation, etc.

856
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: I never know what to say other than that, other

857
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: than that we live in a fallen world with suffering,

858
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: and that this is in our home, and that life

859
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: is so short comparatively to eternity. What would you say

860
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: to a non believer that says that they cannot believe

861
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: in God who would let bad things happen to innocent people?

862
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: What do scriptures say? Also? What are your thoughts on

863
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: marriage between a Christian and a non Christian? What does

864
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: a Bible say about that? I'm always praying for God

865
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Speaker 1: to reveal himself to my boyfriend and for him to

866
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: escape to accept Jesus into his heart. Thanks for reading

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Speaker 1: my email. This is loaded. We've gotten into this in

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Speaker 1: the previous times. I've been here at at the table

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Speaker 1: with you in terms of why would God allow and

870
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: what would we say to somebody who's struggling with a

871
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: God that allows evil and bad things and suffering and cancer,

872
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, I mean the answer remains the

873
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: same there, certainly is. We live in a world that

874
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: is very fallen and broken, and there's a ton of

875
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: pain and suffering. The reason why God allows that to

876
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: take place is because he's a God of love and

877
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: he is created a universe in which we are free creatures.

878
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: And in order for authentic love to occur, freedom has

879
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: to exist, which also means we have the ability and

880
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: the freedom to not love and to reject Him in

881
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: his ways. So there, that's usually where I start with

882
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: when I'm talking to somebody who really gets upset about

883
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: the idea of evil and a god that will allowed.

884
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: Is I look at the ideals of love, which everyone

885
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: they enjoy that they love the idea of freedom, but

886
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: to realize that freedom necessitates both a good and a

887
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: bad side. There's the freedom to do good and evil,

888
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: and that is something that this world has because He

889
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: is a God of love and has created this world

890
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: for that. Let me tie this to the last question

891
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: real quick. So I would say to this anonymous, I

892
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: would say, to your question, and as Christians, we need

893
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: to be armed with an answer of some sort we

894
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: can't just fumble our way to I don't know you're right.

895
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Maybe you're right. So to answer this, why does God?

896
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: Why did God create a world that has suffering? Basically

897
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. So I'd say to relate to

898
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: the last question, why did Man create a game like

899
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: football that allows suffering and pain and blood and hardship

900
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: and loss and adversity and possible broken bones? Why did Man?

901
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: Why did we create a game like that? And why

902
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: do we still play it? That sounds ridiculous. Oh wait

903
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: a minute, that's the same question, because look what football

904
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: does to young men. It creates men that could take

905
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: the hill. It creates strength and bond and love and

906
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: endurance and perseverance and patience. Why do we go to

907
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: a gym and work out to tear down our muscles

908
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: to grow bigger ones? That everything in life revolves on

909
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: this same principle, that it takes adversity or some kind

910
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: of breakdown to then build back up. God created this world,

911
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: He created us. Don't you think he kind of knew

912
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: that that if you imagine a world of perfect bliss,

913
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Speaker 1: what would that be like? Will be terrible? I think

914
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Heaven. I'm not talking about it.

915
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this here and now. If it was

916
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: just everything was just fine. I was reading a study

917
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: or a story I think it was back in the nineties.

918
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: There was this experiment I think it was in Arizona

919
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: called the biosphere or biosphere too, and scientists created this

920
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: environment that was completely closed in and it had all

921
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: of the different trees and plants and things like that,

922
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: and they were doing an experiment to see if they

923
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: could create that kind of the perfect environment free from

924
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and what they could learn from it.

925
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: The interesting thing they found out about the trees in

926
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: this biosphere, and it was that after a certain after

927
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: they would grow to a certain maturity, these trees that

928
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: were full and lush and fruitful would fall over and

929
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: then some of them would just start to shrivel up

930
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: and die. And they were like, what's going on here?

931
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: And it's because the trees lived in an atmosphere with

932
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: zero adversity. There was no wind, and because there was

933
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: no wind, their root systems were shallow and they didn't

934
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: have to grow deep root systems, and so they were

935
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: unstable and they fell. So it's interesting to learn that

936
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Speaker 1: trees need adversity, They need the stress of wind and

937
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: rain and snow, and it causes their roots to go

938
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper and stronger and stronger so that they

939
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: can be mature and even more vibrant. That's incredible analogy,

940
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: that's perfect. We need wind to then send our root

941
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: system deeper to stabilize us, and then we're more fruitful,

942
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: and then we have more vibrant lives. That's that is

943
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: the answer. And people don't people think that's so hard

944
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: to understand why God could introduce adversity or suffering into

945
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: our lives. When if you look at every time that

946
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: we go through a war in this country, imagine World

947
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: War two, we came together from that adversity. We unified

948
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, the aftermath of nine to eleven.

949
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: The flags I still see the vision of all the

950
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: flags on everybody's porch, and everyone coming together is one

951
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: to help each other and make each other stronger. And

952
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: it's those type events help make us stronger. Let's move

953
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: on to her next big question here, what are your

954
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: thoughts in marriage between a Christian and a non Christian?

955
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: What does the Bible say about it? Praying to God

956
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: forgot to reveal himself to my boyfriend. Uh, this will

957
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: be the last thing. And then in the podcast, Yes,

958
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: I have had this conversation with a variety of couples

959
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: through the years, and it is let me say, let

960
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: me say, is chat is you give marriage advice pre

961
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: marriage counseling, So you're you're pretty equipped for this kind

962
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: of Yeah. And one of the things that I do

963
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: with a couple is I have them picture. Let's say

964
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: their marriage is wildly successful, they have this long, happy marriage,

965
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: and I have them separately imagine who's around them. Let's

966
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: say when they're ninety and their marriage they've they've been

967
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: married maybe seventy years, and when they close their eyes

968
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: and picture who's there? What are the people experiencing that

969
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: are there? Yeah, what's the size of the people. What

970
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: does life look like in that picture? And it's interesting

971
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: that how often couples that are both believers have a

972
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: similar vision, the pictures the same, which means as they

973
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: decide things about and priorities about their life, and that's

974
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: going to lead to that ultimate successful picture, they're going

975
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: to be making decisions with the same sense of priority,

976
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: and they're going to have the same priorities. But if

977
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: a couple has a different picture of what success in

978
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: marriage looks like, that's going to be extremely challenging to

979
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: begin a marriage that's going two different directions. And so

980
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to kids, how are we going to

981
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: discipline our kids? Are we going to go to church?

982
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: What does it look like if moms heading'to church but

983
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: dads stay home and watching football on Sunday. Those types

984
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: of things have an impact. Not that it can't be successful,

985
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: but the odds are stacked against. Statistically, if it's not

986
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: the mother that goes to church that affects the kids,

987
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: it's the father. And a father that does not go

988
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: to church, eighty percent of those kids will not go

989
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: to church when they grow up, regardless of what the

990
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: mother does. It's leadership, right, It's a leadership issue in

991
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: that regard. And so yeah, other things come into play.

992
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: How you spend money, prioritize spending, how you make decisions

993
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: about career and whose career and all these these are

994
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: all emanating out of two distinct worldviews. A Christian worldview says,

995
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: I believe that God exists, that he's ultimately good, and

996
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,959
Speaker 1: that he orders my days. A non Christian worldview thinks

997
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: that I'm in charge of things here and if it's

998
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: going to be it's up to me. And so there's

999
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: different hopes and dreams and different standards, and so it's

1000
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: extremely challenging. It's very difficult. Anonymous dumping or we'll be

1001
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: praying for him. That's the pastor leouds. I like to

1002
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: say that on this podcast. Dump him. Yeah, I may

1003
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: or may not be serious, but thank you for the email.

1004
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: This is this We're around a campfire, just a couple

1005
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: of buddies. Remember I can say to say we're buddies here,

1006
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: not on the platform. We're on the same page. Thank you, guys. Chad,

1007
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: love you brother, You're awesome. We are. This is episode

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Speaker 1: ninety seven. We're still planning on the getting together with

1009
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: several of us on number one hundred, so we'll talk

1010
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: about that. And yeah, thank you guys for all the

1011
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: different platforms that you're listening and watching. Thank you, we

1012
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: love you, see you. Thanks for joining me on the

1013
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate all of you. Guys. You could

1014
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Speaker 1: question for me that you would like me to answer,

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Speaker 1: email Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com. Ye