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Speaker 1: I just saw the NFL preseason ratings were up seventeen

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Speaker 1: eighteen percent on all the networks. And wait until you

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Speaker 1: see the college football ratings for Texas Ohio State as

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Speaker 1: a massive number. The pregame show's got you know, Lee

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Speaker 1: Horseo's final broadcast, he went six and oh on his picks,

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Speaker 1: by the way, really six and oh he picked LSU

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Speaker 1: over Clemson. He's throwing darts now, six and oh, isn't

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Speaker 1: darts well? He tends to take the home team he

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Speaker 1: likes in the big games in college. He likes the

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Speaker 1: home team a lot. But so what Yeah, nicely it was.

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Speaker 1: But you know, for years and years in our business,

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Speaker 1: you talk a lot of football. That's what the audience likes.

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Speaker 1: The audience loves football. If you were you and I

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Speaker 1: Premier League eighty percent of the show.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing to watch Rick. Remember when Rick Patino

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Speaker 1: came on the show and he said, you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago baseball and football were closed and the NBA

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Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan and football were close. College football, the

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Speaker 1: number for Texas Ohio State is it's exploding. It is

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Speaker 1: a buy man. December used to be the Sun Bowl,

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Speaker 1: the Holiday Bowl. Now I get. I mean last year

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Speaker 1: You just watch those numbers grow and grow, and they're

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Speaker 1: going to just keep expanding it. And again, I'm not

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Speaker 1: losing a lot of sleep losing bowl games that are irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: They're exhibition, they don't mean anything. In fact, coaches will

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Speaker 1: Michigan State, I want to get you out there. I

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Speaker 1: like games that matter. J Mack with a.

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Speaker 2: News this is the herd Line news.

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Speaker 4: So for the longest time, Joe Montana was considered the

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Speaker 4: goat right undefeated in Super Bowls. Great, great, career. Well,

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Speaker 4: he was asked yesterday who his top quarterbacks are and

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Speaker 4: Colin he named four guys and one of them was

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Speaker 4: not Patrick Mahomes. Joe Montana actually went with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, and Jalen Hurts, and then he said, oh,

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Speaker 4: I probably should put Mahomes in there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just was this a jack? I think when you

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Speaker 1: get asked questions and you're not regularly on the radio

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, Patrick Mahomes is a little more than obvious.

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Speaker 1: Well, you didn't have a great year. Say more, he

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Speaker 1: didn't have a great.

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Speaker 4: You tell me more about the staff the stats that

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Speaker 4: Joe Glenn doesn't want to hear about. Mahomes was not

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Speaker 1: No, but I also think left tackle was an issue

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Speaker 1: and their run game has been average. You know wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I don't think Mahomes or Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: teams that you're not paying the quarterback as much. I

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Speaker 1: mean Pavola said that the minute you start paying your

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Speaker 1: have that third receiver you can depend on. So that's

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Speaker 1: the big brock pretty question, not that he can obviously play.

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. Now Dak's expensive and they have to let

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Speaker 1: go at Michael Parsons. So that's the question is always

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Speaker 1: of guys c J. Stroud, once you get the money

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Speaker 1: tackle that just can't play. Next up, Colin, Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: you love a good list. I love a good list.

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Speaker 4: The Athletic has named the top ten offensive play callers

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Speaker 1: This should surprise nobody.

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Speaker 4: most of them are from the same time. By the way,

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Speaker 4: the fact that Sean Payton is eight and he took

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of good coaching in this way,

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Speaker 1: My guy, Liam.

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Speaker 1: I always stay away from games where there's eighty percent

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Speaker 1: taking the Jags minus three against Carolina. Carol I. Jaggs

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, they're defense, I don't know, but offensively

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Speaker 4: Is going to start at receiver and he's a backup

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Speaker 4: cornerback for those who care. Final story, Colin is phenomenal. Okay,

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Speaker 4: it is popping this morning. It's super spicy, and it's

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Speaker 4: So, according to a podcast by Pablo Torre, he dug

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Speaker 4: up a lot of documents that say the Clippers allegedly

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Speaker 4: circumvented the salary cap by signing Kawhi Leonard to a

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Speaker 4: twenty eight million dollar endorsement deal for a wait for it,

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Speaker 4: Steve Baumer. This is so good, I highly recommend digging

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Speaker 4: into this. According to the report, Balmer paid Kawhi, he

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Speaker 4: didn't do a thing, did not market it, no endorsements,

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Speaker 4: and an unnamed employee sorry confirmed it was to circumvent

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Speaker 1: Well that's not good, Delby. Well, you'll lose draft picks

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Speaker 1: over that. You can lose three or four first round

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot being made about the no show.

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Speaker 1: Let's say he shows up, it still shouldn't be legal.

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Speaker 1: Like like everybody's get is caught up on this. Oh

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Speaker 4: Even if he did show up, Hey, i've got another

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Speaker 1: I want you to endorse it. Here's twenty eight million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Come sign with a paper claps. Even if he was

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Speaker 1: be spicy. Yet it really is a weird story. Jmack

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 1: Well, in the athletics optimism poll, it's called the Hypometer,

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Speaker 1: the fan base in the NFL that was the most

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Speaker 1: optimistic was not the Chiefs, Ravens or Bills or Eagles reliance.

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Speaker 1: It was the Denver Broncos. They are opening against the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. It's in the Mile Hay City and Mark

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Speaker 3: Everybody talking.

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Speaker 1: We said this a couple times during preseason. Is that

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Speaker 1: Denver from the reporters who bounce around the league at

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Speaker 1: ask you about that, because you know the starters don't

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Speaker 5: you got to you gotta take those blows. You got

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Speaker 5: And then the mental side, it's lock in, it's full focus.

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Speaker 5: This is all we got, you know, fifty three against

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Speaker 5: time for week one. And still in week one, we're

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Speaker 5: gonna get unscouted. Looks we're gonna get way more turnovers

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Speaker 5: People forget you know, guys are going to really try

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Speaker 1: I picked Denver to win their division. It's not a

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Speaker 1: high on us. I am, but I don't like the

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Speaker 1: fact that Kansas City lost Toney and as a rookie

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Speaker 1: eleven wins, ten wins, and I think Denver bo Nick

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Speaker 1: Law and they've had a very good camp. Are we

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Speaker 1: Are we a little hot on Denver because everybody loved

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Speaker 5: Well, it's hard for them to be this dark horse

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Speaker 5: sleeper pick because of all the positive pr this offseason.

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Speaker 3: They're not sneaking up on anybody.

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Speaker 5: And I think every you mentioned the division, every game

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Speaker 5: in that division is going to be a street fight.

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Speaker 5: I mean Pete Carroll in Vegas and Chip Kelly, They're

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Speaker 5: gonna want to run the ball the Chiefs plaice. That's

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I'm saying it's going to be a

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Speaker 5: more physical division. What does Jim Harbaugh want to do?

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Speaker 5: He wants to run the ball. So as you know,

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Speaker 5: tough as this Denver defense wants to be, they're going

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Speaker 5: to show me through those division games and he can't

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Speaker 5: be too beat up from those division games to then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've argued this. You know, Michael Jordan about twice

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's always great to have Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports

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Speaker 5: hard to manage those expectations. I think you got a

434
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Speaker 5: guy in Russell Wilson who's steady, and I think that's

435
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Speaker 5: what is attractive about him for dable at the head coach.

436
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Speaker 3: But you see Jackson darr every opportunity he got.

437
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Speaker 5: He I mean, he lit it up. He did everything

438
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Speaker 5: he wanted to do. He checked every box I wanted

439
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Speaker 5: to see. The spotlight wasn't too big. He hit the

440
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Speaker 5: go ball when he needed to. He handled two minute drives,

441
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Speaker 5: sometimes against the two, sometimes against the starter. He looked

442
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 5: great in the Jets Giants, uh you know, dual practice,

443
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 5: joint practice. He looked incredible, But so did Russ. So

444
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 5: you have someone there. You have this potential backup plan future.

445
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Speaker 5: It's just a timing thing. How long is the leash?

446
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Speaker 2: You know?

447
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Speaker 5: Those kind of questions show up when you have that

448
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 5: much talent. I guess it's a good problem to have

449
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 5: because you have so much talent, But managing that talent.

450
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Speaker 3: Is going to be a bumpy road.

451
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Speaker 1: Well, you went your year one with the Jets. You

452
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Speaker 1: made the playoffs. Then they went out and did They

453
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Speaker 1: had Braylan Edwards, added somebody.

454
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Speaker 3: San Antonio Holmes.

455
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Speaker 1: So we go into year two with all these quarterbacks.

456
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Speaker 1: So Jaden is proven himself. Bonix was very good. Can't

457
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Speaker 1: wait to watch JJ and Panix. I think Drake may

458
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: looked really good down the stretch without a lot of

459
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Speaker 1: juice on the perimeter. What was the biggest jump for

460
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Speaker 1: you year one the year two? Were you when you

461
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Speaker 1: went into that camp and maybe mid season you're like, boy,

462
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Speaker 1: I'm a different player with this.

463
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Speaker 5: I felt the pressure, not just externally but internally with

464
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Speaker 5: the veterans we acquired, but Danian Thomlinson and Jason Taylor,

465
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Speaker 5: two Hall of famers, and I just felt this sense

466
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Speaker 5: of urgency. I knew how close we were the year

467
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Speaker 5: before in the championship game, and there was there was

468
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Speaker 5: just a different approach, a different makeup of that team,

469
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Speaker 5: and there was something special about it. You could feel

470
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Speaker 5: it when we talked about training camp. You can feel

471
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Speaker 5: it in training camp. Could we were hard knocks.

472
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Speaker 3: It was noisy knocks. And so you know what I

473
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Speaker 3: will warn people Week one.

474
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Speaker 5: We went out Week one and laid an egg and

475
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Speaker 5: lost in the first game in met life against the

476
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Speaker 5: Ravens and got smacked around a little bit, especially on

477
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Speaker 5: offense defense player. Right, we didn't play very well after

478
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 5: a great training camp, so it ended up being a

479
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 5: different year than we expected to start. You know, we

480
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 5: thought this is this is it and people have to

481
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 5: remember also, just because you go to the championship game,

482
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 5: you start zero and zero the next year, right, you

483
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Speaker 5: know what I mean.

484
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Speaker 3: It's not just oh we win one more game. No,

485
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Speaker 3: that was last year. Bud put it to bed.

486
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Speaker 5: Move on, new year, new lifetime, really of emotions and

487
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: new living, breathing thing. So that was our first year

488
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Speaker 5: that I had won a fourth quarter comeback game, two

489
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Speaker 5: minute drives winning games. We won three in a row,

490
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Speaker 5: last play of the game.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and that.

492
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Speaker 5: Those like three game heaters we didn't have the year

493
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Speaker 5: before like that.

494
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Speaker 3: They didn't feel like that.

495
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Speaker 5: It didn't feel like, hey man, we got this, we

496
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 5: got something special here. I had never proven it. I'd

497
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 5: never won a fourth quarter comeback. So then the other

498
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 5: guy saw it, and then I'm getting tips from Jason

499
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Speaker 5: Taylor in training camp. This is one of my favorite stories.

500
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Speaker 5: Under the center. We used to take snaps under center.

501
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 5: If you didn't know that. Now it's a shock, but

502
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 5: under center, I would twitch my hand right before I

503
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 5: was going to receive the ball when the cadence was

504
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 5: real and Jason Taylor was low on the ground looking

505
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Speaker 5: at my hand and said, hey, Rook, I got a

506
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 5: tip for you. Or you didn't call me rook because

507
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 5: I was second here, but I got a tip for

508
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Speaker 5: you something with the snap, I got your cadence. And

509
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Speaker 5: I'm like, what's the deal, dude, You're like in the

510
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 5: backfield as soon as I hiked the ball, you're like

511
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Speaker 5: taking the handoff going the other way. He said, I'll

512
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Speaker 5: tell you after training camp. I was like, dude, but

513
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 5: he ended up telling me, and then I would use

514
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Speaker 5: it just to make sure I would bluff it. You know,

515
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 5: so stuff like that, like you get insider insight like

516
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 5: that and knowledge from a guy like Jason Taylor. I mean,

517
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Speaker 5: you can't help but want to perform your best, want

518
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 5: to prepare your butt off because I don't want to

519
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 5: let that guy down. I don't want to miss ladana

520
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 5: in on a checkdown. I couldn't afford to, you know

521
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 5: what I mean. That was the kind of feeling I had,

522
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Speaker 5: and I feel like if anybody's in a similar situation,

523
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Speaker 5: is Bonix, jayde Daniels, some of these your two guys

524
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 5: who've been to the playoffs. This is the ultimate meritocracy.

525
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 5: What have you done for me lately?

526
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Speaker 4: Right?

527
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 5: Last year's over? Show me again, show me you can

528
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 5: do it again. And you know that's the position a

529
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 5: lot of these guys find themselves in.

530
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Speaker 1: I think it's great that you're doing. I want to

531
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Speaker 1: segue back to cam Ward's first game as a pro.

532
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Speaker 1: Your first game was in Houston, Houston. I remember you

533
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: made a big third down throw. It's amazing what I

534
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: can remember and can't. I mean, I can't remember yesterday.

535
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Speaker 3: Sam Sam.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So, so you come out of USC or at

537
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Speaker 1: the time those games were sold out, you were in LA.

538
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: You didn't come from Iowa State. So but take me

539
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Speaker 1: to your nerves. I want you to take me to

540
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Speaker 1: the to on the field anthem. That's what cam Ward's

541
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: going through feels. It feels like a blur. You're on

542
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: the road. It's loud.

543
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Speaker 5: Joe Namath is on the sidelines talking with my dad

544
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Speaker 5: and my high school coach.

545
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Speaker 3: Before the game.

546
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Speaker 5: I'm just like, oh my god, I literally I told

547
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Speaker 5: this story the other day, but I went inside to

548
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 5: go get ready for the I didn't even take my ankles.

549
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 5: I've taped my ankles for every game I've ever played.

550
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Speaker 3: Just forgot, just walked right out on the field.

551
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 5: But it might say something let's go, and was just

552
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 5: so hyper focused on everything else that you know, it's

553
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 5: it's an absolute blur, and you'll look back and have

554
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 5: fun if you'll look back and remember what an amazing

555
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 5: time it was. But in that moment, it is, you know,

556
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 5: just tunnel vision and he'll be locked in, ready to go.

557
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 5: The first thing I wanted to do was just get

558
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 5: a completion, and I wanted to get knocked down just

559
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 5: one time.

560
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: Get my jersey a little bit dirty. Yeah, just get

561
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: my jersey a little bit dirty.

562
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 5: Not a hard hit, nothing to stop the game and

563
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 5: get walked off the field or anything, but just something

564
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 5: to remind me, Okay, I'm in games started, Let's rock

565
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: and get.

566
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Speaker 3: Through our process. Great forward, great eyes, great accuracy.

567
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez is joining us, when you know, I do

568
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: think we're gonna go to eighteen games potentially by next

569
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Speaker 1: year or at seventeen. When I grew up, it was

570
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Speaker 1: fourteen and then we went to sixteen. Uh, we're gonna

571
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: have probably shrinkage in the preseason. There's joint practices. We

572
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: know that you joint practices I think have some impact.

573
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: But when you, even as a veteran Joe Burrows struggled

574
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: in September, what is the difference of speed, Yeah, intense

575
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: joint practice, preseason, real snaps and the first series of

576
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: the season, what is it a noticeable difference in speed?

577
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Speaker 3: There's a difference.

578
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 5: I feel like the joint practices though, it's you know,

579
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 5: controlled chaos. You know, it's it's managing the amount of

580
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 5: reps that you're getting and quality reps. Think more like

581
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 5: Farmers Market as opposed to you know, uh, you know,

582
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 5: grocery store, Superstar chain. Right, So you get quality reps

583
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 5: in a controlled environment, and it's at times it feels

584
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 5: more real than the preseason.

585
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: And then Week one hits and that's legit. Then you

586
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: play your first.

587
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 5: Game and you're like, ooh, yeah, we really don't like

588
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 5: each other.

589
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: Okay, got it.

590
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 5: It's gonna be like, you know, the personnel, you know,

591
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 5: the coaches go back and forth, like you just know

592
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 5: a lot about that team, they know a lot about you.

593
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 5: Those are street fights and that feels a little different.

594
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: And then you get to a playoff game, Holy smoke,

595
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 5: each each one that you get to experience Wildcard, Divisional

596
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 5: and then the farthest we got was the championship game.

597
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: Buddy, It's like a different world.

598
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: And East kids, I mean everybody when the playoffs are,

599
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 5: everybody's playing essentially for the same amount of money, right right,

600
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 5: your contracts expired, boom, You're just playing to win these games,

601
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: and nobody wants to go home, nobody's making vacation plans.

602
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: Forget all that.

603
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: We're getting a Lombardi Trophy and that's all we know,

604
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And very few players get

605
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 5: to actually realize that.

606
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: So it is.

607
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 5: It's a step up as you go each once again,

608
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: each wrong on the ladder.

609
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: You can feel it.

610
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 5: And uh, Week one, I'm excited for him. I'm gonna

611
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 5: sit here next week and we're gonna have all the

612
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 5: answers about the entire league in just one week. But

613
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 5: we can't forget Week one is a dirty little liar

614
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 5: like your ex right that was scream.

615
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: With Jay Mac.

616
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so let's just not you know, let's not go crazy.

617
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 5: Let's not go crazy. It's gonna be impossible. I'll be

618
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 5: right there with you.

619
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: So Titans Broncos this Sunday for Eastern on Fox. You

620
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: get into town, what Saturday morning?

621
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Speaker 3: I'll be there tomorrow. Shoot.

622
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 5: First, well we go to the practice on Friday. Let's go, baby.

623
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Speaker 5: That's fun, right, Oh, it's the best. Chom Payne is

624
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 5: a great interview too. Yeah, he does a great Joe,

625
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 5: we'll talk. Oh he's great. I mean he was here.

626
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 5: I mean he's got nuggets for days.

627
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: Man, great scene. Again.

628
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Appreciate you Mark Sanchez all year. How lucky you're weak.

629
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Speaker 1: First things first is around the corner. It's to hurt