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Speaker 2: I you wanna way back home?

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Speaker 3: Either way you want to be.

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Speaker 2: There, doesn't matter how much baggage you claim and give

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Speaker 2: us time and a terminol and gay. We want to

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Speaker 2: back home. Tell us all about it.

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Speaker 1: We scared her? Was it fine?

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Speaker 2: Malborn?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 1: Need a ride? Do you need with Karen and Chris

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Speaker 1: welcome to Do you need a ride? This is Chris Fairbanks.

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Speaker 3: And this is Karen gl Gara.

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Speaker 1: I hello Karen, Oh, hello Chris. I did a taping

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Speaker 1: for Commercial to Day and I had to do it

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Speaker 1: a second time in Spanish and yeah, I'm just letting

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Speaker 1: you know I am bilingual. It took me four hours,

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Speaker 1: though I had to listen to it. I had to

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Speaker 1: I just translated the English. And it felt so weird

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Speaker 1: doing the accent like I learned it in college. But

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Speaker 1: it felt very strange to do a Spanish accent? Am

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Speaker 1: I weird? Fore fronted by that?

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Speaker 3: Our French teacher in high school used to get mad

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Speaker 3: leipond you blee, and she'd be saying like that. We'd

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Speaker 3: always be like, you know whatever, jamappel Karen, like we

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Speaker 3: would not do French accents. We would we all refused

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Speaker 1: Why are you doing it? I guess it felt like

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Speaker 1: It's it was so because it would go back. It

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't ready Here we go and I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Count you back in you don't do the last two

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Speaker 1: Four three, Poor Caciente Tandiana reventur barbojas des plastico, poor

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Speaker 1: la mis ma razon que hugamos Scratchers Day California Lottery,

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Speaker 1: bonello un poco de juegoa too dia too dia. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I hope I didn't do it like that. On the recording.

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Speaker 1: I think I said do tilla, which means something about

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Speaker 3: Oh. No, wow, you're supposed to be saying, are you

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, thank you. I mean our French and Spanish.

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Speaker 1: That's similar to where you just I'm smart. It's a

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Speaker 1: California Lottery. That's how I was doing it because I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna go I'm not gonna have the accent California Lottery. No,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's how many people in many Californians,

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Speaker 3: Look, this is where it's the first four minutes of

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Speaker 1: Please. Are you sure we shouldn't change the name of

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Speaker 1: the podcast Off on the wrong Foot. I think it's

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Speaker 1: we have a guest today, Karen. We certainly do. And

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Speaker 1: I am holding her book. It's funny. Why am I

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Speaker 1: you have it beautiful?

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Speaker 3: I got some one very early because I'm friends with

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Speaker 3: Okay, back all the way off, ladies and gentlemen. Today

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Speaker 3: our guest. Our guest is a soup, is a multi

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Speaker 3: hyphen it And you can tell me, Mandy if I

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Speaker 3: a producer. She is a photographer photographer. She is a

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Speaker 3: Her name is Mandy Johnson and.

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Speaker 4: a curator of books and writing. Andy Johnson, I didn't

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Speaker 1: Many that's her official production.

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Speaker 5: That's so many additional multi hyphens. I'm going to keep

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Speaker 3: Karen Good, I think for me, I know you best

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Speaker 1: It was a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: It was not a bad idea, not this, not this

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Speaker 1: But for me personally, just my personal experience was humiliation.

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Speaker 1: So sweet.

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Speaker 5: We were so excited when Karen, Karen, when you came

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Speaker 3: So it feels a little bit like those dreams you

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't be here. Why am I taking this math death?

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Speaker 5: And you tell you try to tell people, sorry, Oh,

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I love this nightmare in your head.

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Speaker 3: I did that a lot with I would go back

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Speaker 1: Please don't make me do this. Yeah, that's the same dream.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean we need a dream analyzer.

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Speaker 3: Mandy, Oh, that's the other hyphen it analyzer Mandy analyzed.

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Speaker 1: It's probably to some form of anxiety.

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Speaker 5: I think that's all of my life, not being good enough,

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Speaker 1: that's that that could possibly happen. So it's so disappointing

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Speaker 1: Which it's the most realist. Then that day that exact

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Speaker 5: Time is this normally at? Like what time is your home?

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Speaker 5: He gets up early?

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Speaker 1: My nephew. My nephew is freshly become a fireman. Congratulations. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna trump you all in being boring by saying

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Speaker 3: That's I wanted to kind of blow your guys's mind.

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Speaker 1: It a long time. I'm I've never heard of such

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that you guys keep calling it police

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Speaker 1: Or seven of us all that I thought it was.

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Speaker 5: Book, and you know what, I thought that they made

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Speaker 1: I the episode of the I believe it was number

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Speaker 5: It feels like a TV show you pitched.

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Speaker 1: No, it was. It was Tony Hawk and the entire

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Speaker 1: Bones Brigade. We're in Police Academy. Three. Tony Hawk is

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Speaker 3: Even I would say that you just did the most

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Speaker 3: perfect segue into talking about Mandy's book. I know, we

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Speaker 1: Mandy, Mandy.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you, Karen, how did you get the

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Speaker 5: I mean, it truly didn't start off as that, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but it's my favorite thing when I go

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Speaker 5: to labs that don't exist that are in Los Angeles

438
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 5: to get developed, because the one in Los Angeles that

439
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 5: does like medium format is very expensive.

440
00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: Deluxe I con I just wanted to guess a photo,

441
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: see if I could get it right.

442
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 5: Icon it's the only one that I know that does

443
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 5: medium form. Like there's a lot of great thirty five

444
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 5: millimeter places, but myself kind of like being like, mmm,

445
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 5: is this worth shooting film for?

446
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: Right?

447
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: Did you ever like mess with it? Like the actual

448
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: emulsion process in the in the dark room and with chemicals.

449
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 5: I never processed color film, but I grew up grew

450
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 5: up as a strong word, I guess. But from like

451
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 5: high school, middle school, I process my own form black

452
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 5: and white film for ages. I processed thirty five medium format.

453
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: In college.

454
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 5: I process my own four by five film, yeah, which

455
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 5: is how the photos in the book are shot.

456
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: They're all shot on a four by five camera.

457
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, and that was kind of my cheat to

458
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: like get around my nervousness for shooting them. Especially early on,

459
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 5: I was like, look at this really cool camera. Don't

460
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 5: you want to be photographed with this wool ancient camera?

461
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: Feel like Abraham Lincoln. I'll put a blanket over my head.

462
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: It is pretty amazing though, when you look at this book,

463
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: and you definitely should and get Mandy's book because it

464
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: isn't a I had no idea how many huge people

465
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 3: you got on that show and it for that book. Like,

466
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 3: as I flipped through it, I was just like, oh

467
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 3: my god, there's legit big stars in this book. It's

468
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: really cool, and.

469
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: It's cool because it is. I feel like I haven't

470
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: gone all the way through it, but it seems like

471
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: it's like specifically about the independent comedy scene in the

472
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: exact time that I'm like it just starting with how

473
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: far back did you go? Is it pre two thousand? Well?

474
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 5: I think I think it technically goes back to the

475
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 5: seventh Oh wow, I think Andy Kindler talks about the

476
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 5: seventies and the timeline hang on, it's dated nineteen eighty nine,

477
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 5: I guess is the oldest. But I think Kendler talks

478
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 5: about a little bit before that, but I guess James

479
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: of domiin clocked it where he said I was like

480
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 5: born and grew up or he moved there in eighty.

481
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: Nine, and that was like the earliest interview. Oh okay,

482
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: specific year I had.

483
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 5: But Killler talks a lot about Kidler, Karen, Greg, Greg Barrets, yeah,

484
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 5: Greg Bearris, Yeah. They all talk a lot about Pardo,

485
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 5: about the time that I wasn't in Los Angeles yet,

486
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 5: so they I mean the time that I didn't spend

487
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 5: in the independent scene. I moved here in two thousand

488
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: and four, and so I kind of came in right

489
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 5: before UCB opened up right and went to like house

490
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 5: party shows and like that happened in garages and stuff,

491
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 5: and like you know, like Saw Holy Fuck came and

492
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 5: started doing stuff right before we started Super Serious show,

493
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 5: and and the Comedy Bureau kind of came after us

494
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 5: and then start this you know, meltdown started happening right

495
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: after we started Super Serious, and then it kind of,

496
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 5: you know, a melt down weekly started happening. Jonah was

497
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 5: doing it monthly, but you know, so it kind of

498
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 5: it kind of all culmuinated, I think, and really took

499
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 5: off in like twenty ten, but in a way that

500
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 5: we all knew it pre pandemic. You know, we're like

501
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 5: tons of like there's a lot of independent Like the

502
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 5: independent communy seam was very vibrant in Los Angeles, I

503
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 5: feel like, and maybe it's most vibrant it's ever been.

504
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 5: And you know in the city where like there were

505
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 5: so many shows in so many ways to see comedy,

506
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: and so many places for comedians to get up. Comparatively,

507
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 5: I'm sure like people would argue that they still had

508
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 5: hard time printing sets and New York still had more

509
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 5: sets as a.

510
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: Whole or money maybe back then. Yeah, yeah, that was

511
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: the brag about New York. Yeah, we moved here around

512
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: the same time. You pretty much listed every yeah, the

513
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: history of my being here.

514
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 5: But so yeah, but so I got a lot of

515
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 5: great historical contexts and things that I kind of knew

516
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 5: from like Dana and Karen and that whole gang, and

517
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 5: they didn't know, you know, and things that I kind

518
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 5: of got clarified and stuff along the way in the interviews,

519
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: which was really interesting for me as somebody who loves

520
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 5: comedy and who has produced it for so long and

521
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: found independent comedy, of course to be important, as is

522
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: club comedy, but independent comedy to be important just to

523
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 5: get people places and spaces to do stuff.

524
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always tried to do both, and I yeah,

525
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't even separate the two anymore. I like that

526
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: they're kind of just becoming the same thing.

527
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: That was the funny thing in the nineties because I'm yeah,

528
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: so I was here probably a decade before you guys,

529
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: because I moved here in ninety four, and it absolutely

530
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: was the dawn of club comedy versus yeah, what they

531
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: called alternative comedy, and it was very which is just

532
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: what the era was like, just incredibly anti. So it

533
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: was like you were supposed to pick a team or

534
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: a side or a type. But I had started in

535
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: clubs because that was essentially all there was, because I

536
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: started in San Francisco with Greg Barrett and a lot

537
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: of those the people that are in this book and

538
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: who and everyone migrated down to La because clubs started

539
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: closing up there, and you know, being a club comic

540
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: was basically it was basically like you were just going

541
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: to get in line to see if you could eventually

542
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: get booked and move your way through this kind of

543
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: pecking order, and then moving to LA it was like

544
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: everything broke up in real wide and it's like you

545
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: can go do a show with people who headline at

546
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 3: the Improv, but it's down at a cafe in your

547
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: own neighborhood and you can get stage time, you can

548
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: practice stuff, you can do kind of you can find

549
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: your voice before you get ready for this the finalized

550
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: memorized Polish performance.

551
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: Which was so cool.

552
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: It was just the opposite of how I started, because

553
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: it was like, my my nervousness when I started stand

554
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: up was just like you had to be good already,

555
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: even though you know, you just started. You my jokes

556
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: were garbage upon garbage, but you just you You were

557
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: in a club, so you kind of had to meet

558
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: the standard basically, figure figure it out, you know, do

559
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: what you can, whereas down here it just felt like, yeah,

560
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: there was much more that concept of experimental comedy or

561
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 3: like get on stage and see what's actually funny before

562
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: you take it to the clubs where because it's LA,

563
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 3: so people, it's tourists paying a bunch of money. They

564
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: want a good show, they want consistent laughter, so you

565
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: can't you know, I don't know. It was an interesting thing,

566
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: and it was funny that they tried to turn it

567
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: into the you know, they tried to turn into like

568
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: the Civil War, where it's like pick your side and

569
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: you're supposed to hate people in the club comics fucking

570
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: hate it. Alternative commage not funny. It's like, okay, well

571
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: it's just it was insane.

572
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.

573
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: Do you know something, I've never thought of this before

574
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 5: this moment, but like I remember Dana talking to me

575
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 5: about like when he started his first independent show WHI

576
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: Jeane Grafolo. It was because the owner of the Improv

577
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: came up to him when he was trying some new

578
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 5: stuff out at like a weekly show, not a weekend show,

579
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 5: but like a weekly show. I mean they're still paying

580
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: plenty of money for a weekly show. But he was like,

581
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: these people aren't paying for your experiments. And Dana was like,

582
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: I don't I live here, Like I need to work

583
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 5: on material before I got in the road, And so

584
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: he started an independent show at bookstore Janine for them

585
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 5: to specifically work out material. But having the war between

586
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 5: quote unquote alternative and club, where did the quote unquote

587
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 5: club comics work out material?

588
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Right?

589
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just it I've never really thought about

590
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: it because now the worlds are so blended, or you know,

591
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 5: pre pandemic, they were so blended that they could go

592
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: to like independent shows because independent audiences don't care if

593
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: you're a quote unquote club comic as long as you're

594
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: not like, I don't know, I guess ending every joke

595
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 5: with like.

596
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: Or something like that. I don't know.

597
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: That's just I think that was word that was part

598
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: of the argument was if you only if like the

599
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: time that you get on stage to try new stuff,

600
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: it is in front of three hundred people in like

601
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: the main room, you know, the comedy store mainroom, that

602
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: you are going to tend toward crowd pleasing material That

603
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: might not be the best material. It might just be

604
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: clap trappy, you know, shock value, whatever that it's that

605
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: it's going to bend your ear toward crowd pleasing as

606
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: opposed to what's funny. What I think is amazing about

607
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: your story is Dana Gould. He was a headliner in

608
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: San Francisco when I started, So I've seen I've seen

609
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: Dana do one hundred sets probably and I've never seen

610
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: him beat him. Trying new stuff was anybody else's perfect

611
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: polished seven minutes, So the balls of whoever that motherfucker

612
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: was who was just like, yeah, people aren't pain to

613
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: watch you works about It's like, I can't imagine Dana

614
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: being like rough even mediocre in anyway. He is such

615
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: a constant like he is. That's just mind bogging. And

616
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: it's the kind of thing where it's just like, that's

617
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: I think the the concepts were too narrow, and I

618
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: think that idea of just like what if lots of

619
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: other things were funny, and what if you could bring

620
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: something polished that was weird to the stage and then

621
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: get people to laugh at that? You know, God forbid,

622
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: you get these people's ear to change to what they're hearing.

623
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: So it's not just like, you know, it's not just

624
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: the same rhythm, the same concepts, the same topics all

625
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: the time.

626
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And what's I think I think what really

627
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 5: melded the worlds together was I It's been an interesting

628
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 5: thing from the Oughts to now where Hollywood has right

629
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 5: like famously, like so many of writers from the Simpsons

630
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 5: were found at like Luna Lounge and stuff and and

631
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 5: what so, Hollywood has been drawn to the independent comedians

632
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: in the independent rooms and finding and scatting people through that,

633
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 5: and then that you know, Sarah Silverman and stuff has

634
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 5: driven Hollywood material and so then those people get famous

635
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 5: on that level and then are able to go and

636
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 5: do clubs more freely.

637
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: And then it's like a cyclical.

638
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 5: Thing that feeds itself, so that you know, motion Natasha

639
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 5: or something, we're in independent rooms only. But then as

640
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 5: they get famous and rise in a Hollywood standard, then

641
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 5: they're more acceptable at clubs because club owners are like, oh,

642
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 5: you're famous, so you can draw an audience, and then

643
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 5: they do club you know, and it's a very funny.

644
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 5: It's a very funny thing. Like famously, Kristin I think

645
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 5: just did the improv for the first time like within

646
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 5: the past like three years. Yeah, that's that's that's crazy

647
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 5: to me that you know, it's taken there.

648
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: And I was surprised that there was comics I worked

649
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: with when I'm sorry, comedy comedy Uh comedy store, oh right, no, yeah,

650
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: I immediately just thought the comedy store because that's that's

651
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: so many that used to be a scary place that

652
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: there was hard to park and I didn't want to

653
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: go there, and now all my friends are there and

654
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: it's it's totally changed the environment. But when I would

655
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: were in Austin open for these comp like Robert Hawkins

656
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: was a guy that didn't seem like a road comic.

657
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: He was really goofy and weird, but he lived in

658
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: this city. And when I moved here and of course

659
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: contacted him because I didn't know anyone, really, I was

660
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: so surprised to hear that he, Oh, I just go

661
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: on the route the road. I don't really perform in town.

662
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: Why do you live in Los Angeles? And I tried

663
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: to convince him, and I did to do UCB one night,

664
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: to do the comedy Death Ray Show because I knew

665
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: he'd do well because he's a you know, a bizzar mind,

666
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: and and it seemed like he was kind of intimidated

667
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: by the alternative scene. He's like, I don't think they'll

668
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: accept me. So it's funny. Ever, both sides to this thing,

669
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: we're thinking the same thing. They're not going to accept

670
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: me as a mainstream comic, and then vice versa. The

671
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: working road comics are.

672
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 5: Like, meanwhile, that audience could exactly. Audience is like you

673
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 5: were funny, audience.

674
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: Never has differentiated. Yeah, And that is like the real

675
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: like line.

676
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 5: I think I've watched it happen so many times in

677
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: like hot tub where it's a famous comedian and they're

678
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 5: working out stuff and the audience is like, no, that's

679
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: not funny, and they're like, okay, thank.

680
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: You so much for that. Honestly, yeah, yeah, yeah, there

681
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: is a bit of that. I almost feel like in

682
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: this city, it's people can smell when you're doing your material.

683
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 5: But I think it's also like you, we've definitely trained

684
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 5: a specific audience that enjoy the process, which I think

685
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 5: is really cool.

686
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that every audience is like that. There.

687
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: They enjoy watching comedians workout stuff and being part of

688
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 5: it in that way, and I think also I know

689
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 5: that that's challenging sometimes when comedians want to just like

690
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 5: go and do a set that's easy for them, and

691
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 5: like go and do stuff that they know is going

692
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 5: to be good, or they want to get a good

693
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 5: tape or whatnot. But I think it's cool that the

694
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: audience is in Los Angeles want to like watch the

695
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: process because it's not something I mean, something that I've

696
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: always loved, but it's not something that every audience wants, which.

697
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: I think is well.

698
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: I think energy of the difference between when you're watching

699
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: somebody kind of like you know, shoot for Shoot for

700
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: the Moon as they're doing their stuff, where it's almost

701
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: like they're talking over the audience and out into some

702
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: like the camera of life of like here's my here's

703
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: the fifteen minutes that's going to you know, make or

704
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: break me, as opposed to a person that's kind of

705
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: on stage and it's it's stylistic too, because I think

706
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: that it blended into the style of it seems like

707
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: this is off the top of your head, or it

708
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: seems like or people that got smart about like don't

709
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: save the crowd work for you know, like you can

710
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: you can walk on stage and immediately do crowd work.

711
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: It's actually a very.

712
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: Bold move and it makes the audience go, oh shit,

713
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: they really are like And I think that difference is

714
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: there are people who are like it's it's the uprising

715
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: of the comedy nerd, because there are people who are like,

716
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: just like I like to laugh and they're sitting there

717
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: and it's like that's great, and they'll never go, oh

718
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: that's I've seen this bit before, or this is a

719
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: very common trope. There are people who are just like

720
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm here to have fun and I don't care, you know,

721
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: I don't care what happens. But people who follow comedy,

722
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: you walk on stage and you get a certain tone

723
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 3: in your voice, and they immediately are like m mmm,

724
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, So they're the expectation is

725
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 3: I want to see you walk the tightrope a little

726
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: bit and earn that badge of bravery and improvisation. You know.

727
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: It's like it's like then the ucbness of it all

728
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: started blending together, where it's like you could do improv,

729
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: you could do stand up, you could do both, you

730
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 3: have all you can flex all these different ways. Then

731
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: that makes me think of there's so many shows I've

732
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: been to where people who clearly are from improv get

733
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: up to do sets and they fucking eat it. So

734
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: really because they're doing a character. They're doing a character

735
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: of a comedian, right, So it's like it's all very

736
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: kind of insincere and like three feet away. And I

737
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: feel like the true comedy fan really wants to feel

738
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: like your heart rate, you know what I mean. They

739
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: want to know you're right there delivering you know, fresh

740
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: new Like I just feel like that's maybe that's just

741
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: my expectation of like, no, I think they want you

742
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 3: to give them something.

743
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: New and risky, like they want you to risk it.

744
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I always tell a lot of

745
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: times when we have like British comedians, you know, who

746
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 5: come over and do hot tepar, a super serious show,

747
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 5: they'll kind of ask about the audience and like ask

748
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 5: how it's different and stuff. And the thing I always

749
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 5: tell people and I and I and lots of the

750
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: times I wish somebody had told me this earlier in America,

751
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 5: and it's like such a very simple thing.

752
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: I was like, in these rooms, you just need to.

753
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 5: Talk to the audience and not at them, like and

754
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: it's I know, it's like a mind fuck of a

755
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 5: thing because you're like I am talking to them. You're

756
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: like no, but you're you're talking to that back wall,

757
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 5: you're talking to that invisible camera. You're you're too presentational sometimes,

758
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 5: you know, And and they just want you to talk

759
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 5: to them.

760
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: They're there, They're part of the show.

761
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: They're an integral part of your experience as a comedian

762
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 5: and the experience of the show as a whole. And

763
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 5: that is the main difference I think between a big

764
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 5: clubroom and a big independent room.

765
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: Is they just want to be talked to.

766
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 3: And you can actually like I taught myself a couple

767
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: of tricks, which is definitely make a joke about one

768
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: of the last jokes the comment.

769
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: Before you yeah, yeah, I do it all the time, right,

770
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: you got.

771
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: To do that, because then that's saying I'm I've also

772
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: been in the audience along with you this whole time.

773
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: I know what's going on.

774
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: And then something about while you're doing your set, which

775
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: clearly is I mean that was also the pain of

776
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 3: being a guitar comic. There's no way to pretend you're improvising,

777
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 3: there's no way to pretend you're not doing a polished thing.

778
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: And also as you're doing it, you're just stuck inside it.

779
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: You can't bail, you can't do anything else. You're just like,

780
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: now here's my three minute presentation or whatever. It's so painful.

781
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: It's funny. I whenever you say guitar comic, I know

782
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: you as a regular stand up and then I also

783
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: know you as a musician, so sometimes I would see

784
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: you do stand up and also play songs. But when

785
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: I hear guitar comic, I think of parody, like goofy songs.

786
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: I know the rhyme and they're about farting and I'm

787
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: in Tulsa and the guy is a cowboy hat I don't.

788
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: I'd like it if you didn't just call yourself a

789
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: guitar comic, you are I get a comedy show.

790
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: If you're on a comedy show and you walk out

791
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: wearing a guitar, the audience is.

792
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: Like the audience in rooms like this.

793
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 3: I think if it was you know, like at the Improv,

794
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: they it's a little show, it's like, oh, it's exciting.

795
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: I was I used to It would.

796
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: Blow my mind how well those weird little songs would

797
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: do at a place like the Improv, because I would

798
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I don't think these you know, these

799
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: tourists aren't gonna like it. And it's like these days

800
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: and that was, you know whatever mid two thousands, everybody

801
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: has has comedy chops. These days, everybody knows comedy, everybody's

802
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: it's around so much. It's become so kind of ubiquitous

803
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: in so many different ways that everybody has a little

804
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 3: bit of good taste. Obviously it's like, oh I like

805
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: this type of comic of that, But ultimately I think

806
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: so many more people these days appreciate like a original

807
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: joke or a well thought out, you know, well planned joke,

808
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: like it's just funny. How I feel like I've starting

809
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety, you know, and then performing in the

810
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: two thousands. I feel like the audience has evolved for sure. Well.

811
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: I think podcasts, I mean did a lot of that.

812
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 5: I mean, podcasts brought comedians into this space of the

813
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 5: fans and the most personal way where they listen to them.

814
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 5: I mean, like I listen to podcasts the most when

815
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: we go on like road trips and we drive a lot,

816
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 5: and it's like, oh, I've listened to like eight hours

817
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 5: of the Dollup or something, and so I just feel

818
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: like I've been hanging out with Dave and Garrett and

819
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 5: like there they are my friends, but it feels more

820
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 5: personal to me, like they've been with me on this

821
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 5: road trip, which.

822
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: They have not been.

823
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 5: They have like I know them and more friends, but

824
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 5: they have not.

825
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: Been with me on this road trip.

826
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: And so I can imagine for like somebody who doesn't

827
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 5: know comedians, that that feeling would be the same. And

828
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 5: I think that then that evolve the audiences of stand

829
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 5: up in a very cool way where they became more

830
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 5: fandom definitely towards the podcast that they love, but they

831
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: also had a different relationship with comedy and comedians and

832
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 5: maybe understood them more and understood where their comedy comes

833
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 5: from more and understood who they are as people more,

834
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 5: which is something that non comedy like non stage comedians,

835
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 5: but who exist in comedy like myself, were probably the

836
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 5: only people who understood that balance and that life style

837
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 5: in that world, you know, pre podcasts.

838
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's I think it's been a few the

839
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: last few years for me. The audiences. It's people that

840
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: kind of know me already, and it's become At first

841
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: I was taken aback by it, and now it's so

842
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: comforting to know that I'm like safe in front of

843
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: these sweet people that listen to podcasts. It's the it's

844
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: the best.

845
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: It's really nice. You don't have to you don't have

846
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: to be like, let me my favorite phrase, world, let

847
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: me tell you a little tithing about that.

848
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're thinking.

849
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, always followed up with just nothing personal and a joke.

850
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: But yet it is the the The other funny thing

851
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: is and Chris, I think I know you witness this

852
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: happen when April and I did that show at the

853
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Improv Lab that was the beginning of My Favorite Murder,

854
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: and a bunch of or some of our listeners would

855
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: come to that. Yeah, but they were podcast listeners, so

856
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: they were super quiet, like they wouldn't even It was

857
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: hilarious the first couple of shows where I'd just be like, you, guys,

858
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: this is a different thing.

859
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: You're not sitting in your car into work. Yeah, yeah, there,

860
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: You're not going to get trouble in trouble at your

861
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: desk if you laugh about love. But I've gotten used

862
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: to it, I can tell. I just pay more attention

863
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: visually to the look on people's faces, and I'm okay

864
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: with it not being uproarious laughter. Actually yeah, it's a

865
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of times when a crowd was that and they're

866
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: laughing at everything, I'm like, I don't believe you. You're

867
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: all just drunk and trying to be entertained. I had

868
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: to do, uh what was that that VH on stand

869
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: up show? Oh?

870
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: Rose O'Donnell hosted it first. Do you remember you know

871
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about?

872
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 4: Right?

873
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: Stand up? Stand up?

874
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: I believe I know, I know what you're talking about

875
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 5: I remember when they shot a stand up show at

876
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 5: the Highs House, but I didn't know it was it

877
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 5: was and.

878
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: It went on for years, and the audiences knew they

879
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: were on a TV show. It was like, and it

880
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: was produced for TV and whatever I got, I got

881
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: booked on it, and I was just like, oh my god,

882
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: this is amazing.

883
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: I walked out and I did.

884
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: I went into the setup of my first joke, and

885
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the first sentence, the audience burst

886
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: out laughing so.

887
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Loud that I like didn't.

888
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: I like, was like whoa, And I kind of got shook.

889
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know what's going on, and

890
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: the and the the audience was just laughing at pauses

891
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: because they knew they were on TV.

892
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was one of the war sets.

893
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: And I've almost strictly done terrible television sets.

894
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: Early days by choice.

895
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: Early days.

896
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, bye.

897
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 3: But that one was mind blowing because I was just like, oh, this,

898
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: you guys, this isn't about my creative mind or these

899
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: wonderful concepts I'm.

900
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: About to present you.

901
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: They're just like I'm where we live in LA, where

902
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: actors were the audience. We're gonna give you audience, so

903
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: it's just like, ah haha, nonsensically it was.

904
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: It was upsetting. They they reposted my old premium Blend,

905
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: which was two thousand and three, and those they get

906
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: those audiences. It was like a casting service or something.

907
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: And I accidentally mentioned that New York. I just said

908
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: New York and the whole crowd started screaming and hood

909
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: and I literally plugged my ears and said no, no,

910
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: I didn't, oh no, my ears. Plugged my ears and

911
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: said my ears because I did not expect that to happen.

912
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: It threw me off so much, and luckily they edited it.

913
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, I think the set I did, if

914
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: it ended up on the air, which I don't know

915
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: if it did, but if it did, it was two

916
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: minutes long. They cut it down to nothing because I

917
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: think because I just kept like flinching at the audience's response.

918
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how it's going to be now in coming months,

919
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: people are going to be so excited to see comedy.

920
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: I'm actually very much looking forward to it, but I

921
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: wonder if the audiences will be rusty just like the comedians.

922
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that they'll be so excited. Yeah,

923
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 5: but I'll still take a really long time before we're

924
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 5: going to have full rooms again.

925
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, the audiences will be excited, they'll also

926
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: be shit faced up.

927
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right.

928
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 5: It's going to be an interesting walk back. I think

929
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: into that space and into like them consuming comedy not

930
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 5: from their living rooms again, you know, and not from

931
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 5: because they can mute themselves and they can talk and

932
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 5: do things.

933
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that they'll all be very excited.

934
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 5: To come back, and I truly can't wait to pack

935
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 5: the virtual shoulder to shoulder. Yeah, but I was gonna

936
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: say that, like super serious shows, audiences have always kind

937
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 5: of been like that where they're like will you call

938
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: them theatrical audiences where they would clap and they'd be

939
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: like this is funny. I'm quiet now, yeah this is funny,

940
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 5: and so like there's no there's none of the rolling

941
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 5: into the things, you know. They they want to like

942
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 5: listen so intently and make sure they don't miss anything,

943
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 5: and there's too polite.

944
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: Maybe it's something about the acoustics of that stage or so,

945
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: because I feel like every show like that, I just

946
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: I always feel that experience. Yeah, whenever, I.

947
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 5: Mean, it's it's an interesting thing, and so I think

948
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 5: it's it's so polite when audiences do that, and they're

949
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 5: just they're they're trying to be differential. They're trying to

950
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 5: give what they believe is the right risk back to

951
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 5: the comedian. Yes, And what they don't know is like

952
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 5: we just want you to laugh, like yeah, that's that's

953
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: that's like laugh We don't laugh. Like we judge everything

954
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 5: by your laughter or not your laughter, Like you know,

955
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 5: it is like the barometer that this show lives and

956
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 5: dies by.

957
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: I do like the fact that audiences have developed that

958
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: understanding about like being quiet and not talking and you

959
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean that honestly, starting in clubs in

960
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety you were just fighting, drink noises, just full

961
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 3: on conversational chatter at tables.

962
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean like they were fighting so much.

963
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was if you were the opener or

964
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like lowered or if it

965
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 3: was like a showcase night, it was just a battle.

966
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: So the fact that it is slowly developed into this

967
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 3: kind of thing where like the people who were sitting

968
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 3: there didn't get free tickets off the radio. They're sitting

969
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: there because they want to be there, and they know

970
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: people on the.

971
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: On the show. Yeah, when someone heckles, now, I'm like,

972
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: did you just step off a time machine?

973
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 3: Up?

974
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: Even in the audience too, they're like, oh my god,

975
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: a heckler. You want to look at him?

976
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: I'm also so confused constantly. And I've had it where

977
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: I've had a few friends who have done this, and

978
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 5: I found I found it really hard, even as somebody

979
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 5: who works in comedy to have this conversation with him.

980
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're a positive heckler. They're like yes, like,

981
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they don't. They don't need that.

982
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 5: They're fine, yeah, like laugh, Like all they want is like,

983
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 5: don't tell them they're unless they ask for like a

984
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 5: rhetorical yes or something. Why are you They don't need

985
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 5: your encourgiment.

986
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the audience member that's like uh huh oh, yeah,

987
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you. You're doing great.

988
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I know you think you're doing such

989
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 5: a nice thing, but please stop positively heckling.

990
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: It's really hard.

991
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they're doing a nice thing. I

992
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: think they're doing a narcissistic actory thing or a kooky

993
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: like either they're on something.

994
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's la stuff.

995
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: Of making it about you, where it's just like there's

996
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: I will always always get women who are drunk who

997
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 3: are like, oh like, because I'll say something that they

998
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: find so, you know, like I can't.

999
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: Believe she's said it or whatever, where.

1000
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: It's just like okay, but this isn't about you and

1001
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: your college experience. Like it's hilarious to me, and.

1002
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: It also makes me.

1003
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: I am always very mean to those people because it's

1004
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: just like, just don't do it. And also, this is

1005
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: my job as a comic, Like you've now put a

1006
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: target on your forehead. It doesn't matter how much you

1007
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: love me, because I have to Now if I'm ever

1008
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: going to get on YouTube as comedian who destroys.

1009
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 7: Heckler, oh god crossed, I'm going to have to attempt

1010
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 7: to descry. I one day hope to own a Heckler.

1011
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 7: Oh own them, that's the next level you can destroy that.

1012
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Sorry are you?

1013
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 5: Are you discussing like owning a human being?

1014
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: That's judging by what all these YouTube videos I've seen

1015
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: a lot of comedian owns Heckler, and so I guess

1016
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: it's I'm sorry, but yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And they

1017
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: come live at your house and uh, and then they

1018
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: do like this couch, it's really comfy. Yeah, they become

1019
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: your pool boy, kind of like Hardcastle and McCormick, a

1020
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: show that I should have referenced.

1021
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 5: I have had a son like Kurt out before. I'm

1022
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 5: been like, hey, we have a positive Heckler in the crowd,

1023
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 5: so I need you to do a thing where you

1024
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 5: tell everyone not to hackle. That's a video like the things,

1025
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 5: but I also explain that like positive hecklean's bad too, Okay,

1026
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 5: thing's bye.

1027
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good luck Kurt. This weekend, I'm doing an

1028
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: outdoor jazz festival and I feel so rusty, but it's

1029
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: out I'm actually looking forward to. If there is a

1030
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: band on stage, I'm gonna sit in with them and

1031
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: do mouthhorn. I'm very excited about that. Where is this?

1032
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: Where is San Diego? Oh? And is it daytime? I

1033
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: think it's early evening. Yeah, but it's I've as told

1034
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: it's outdoor. I will be nowhere near anyone, just go

1035
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: directly onto a stage. And so I agreed to do it,

1036
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of looking forward to it just because

1037
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be doing this again. But I'm

1038
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: gonna I really want to sit in with an actual

1039
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: brass band and like it's gonna be great. I mean,

1040
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: it's a good mouth worn this. I mean I infamous.

1041
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: It's it is the opposite of famous. It's infamous.

1042
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: Mandy, do you have any like the best, uh the

1043
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 3: best thing that you ever saw happen at a show,

1044
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: or your favorite moment or something along those lines. Having

1045
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: watched what ten thousand hours of stand up comedy, like

1046
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: any of those kind of beautiful live show moments that

1047
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: can only happen at live shows, I.

1048
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 5: Think that, Yeah, I think that the ones that are

1049
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 5: always in my memory are the ones that only happened

1050
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: that one time. That And it could be Worry doing

1051
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 5: an all improvised set. It could be a crowd work

1052
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 5: moment with Andy Peters where somebody breaks the glass and

1053
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 5: then it leads them onto a weird train where he's

1054
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 5: like interviewing the person and then like has bits about

1055
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 5: their life. But it could also be like Dimitri Martin

1056
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 5: going saying a new one liner for the first time

1057
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 5: and seeing it doesn't work and then commenting on the

1058
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 5: audience reaction to it. Like all of that stuff that

1059
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 5: is like irreplaceable and non rep like you can't repeat it. Yeah,

1060
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 5: it is so precious, I think to me in comedy,

1061
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 5: that's the thing that I think I realized early on

1062
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 5: as somebody who consumed comedy, and then when I started

1063
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 5: producing it, I think when you think back to your

1064
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 5: favorite memories, it's like and it's like even like sometimes

1065
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 5: Karen is like the little in betweens you used to

1066
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 5: have in your songs, you know, like those weren't rehearsed,

1067
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 5: and those were really off the cuff and like you

1068
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 5: kind of commenting on the audience or like talking about

1069
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 5: the room or the space, or like you know, a

1070
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 5: drunk woman coming up to stage at south By Southwest

1071
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 5: to talk to Barn about like something that upset her,

1072
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 5: you know, with security closing in because we weren't sure

1073
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 5: exactly what she was going to do.

1074
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: But it's all those like moments that what it won't

1075
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: ever happen A yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love it

1076
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: when I love it when an audience recognizes it as

1077
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime moment and then they clap, they

1078
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: recognize that, well, we've been left. Let's clap for that

1079
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: because that was a moment in time. I love that

1080
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: moment where they decide to clap instead of they're acknowledging

1081
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: that it was, oh, an artistic moment just happened. The

1082
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: best feeling I miss it.

1083
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 5: I mean then when you like you talk to people

1084
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 5: like I remember the first like high planes that we

1085
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: went to, Like Reggie had a big, you know, closing

1086
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 5: set that was very fun, but it's also the highest

1087
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 5: I've ever seen Reggie like ever, And I talked to

1088
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 5: her about it all the time because I'm like, do

1089
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 5: you remember that one set when Rochie was like it

1090
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 5: was like so hot, you know, and so like you

1091
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 5: can then have that moment with that person or those

1092
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 5: people that were with you that nobody elseo really ever

1093
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 5: be able to experience because they went there and it's

1094
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 5: you can explain it to them, and you can tell

1095
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 5: them and they can kind of conceptually understand it, especially

1096
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 5: if they're in comedy a lot. But it's something that's

1097
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 5: just it's just so special when it happens and it's

1098
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 5: just there and it's live.

1099
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what a lot of times

1100
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: when you film comedy and you cut a.

1101
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 5: Ten minute set down to two minutes, or a seven

1102
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: minute set down to two minutes for a TV show,

1103
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 5: and then the people who watch it are like, oh,

1104
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 5: this is so like stunted and like stiff. It's because

1105
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 5: that's not their real set, that's not their real thing.

1106
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1107
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 5: It's like it's inauthentic to the comedian. It's not a

1108
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 5: good representation of who they are on stage and right,

1109
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 5: and you know, it's like the best version of it

1110
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 5: that's been recorded, as like Jimmy Pardo's crowd Work album,

1111
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: which I don't know if you ever I could like

1112
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 5: listen to that over and over and over again. It's like,

1113
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 5: I don't even think he meant like he was recording

1114
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 5: an album, but he just did crowd Work for an

1115
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 5: hour and.

1116
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: It was so funny. Oh yeah, and it was just unbelievable.

1117
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 5: But it was just like perfect in the way of

1118
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 5: capturing that energy that's so hard to capture on film

1119
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 5: and in an album and in a way that feels

1120
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 5: real and not staged.

1121
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: You know that it just made me think that if

1122
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: I had to pick someone for that, I most of

1123
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: the time, it's been memories of watching Andy Kindler because

1124
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: when Andy starts eating it, like there's a dynamic Andy

1125
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: brings out where the comedians can't stop laughing because the

1126
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: audience is not laughing, and Andy is reading off his

1127
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: index cards and then getting mad and then having and

1128
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: then getting really funny. But he loses the audience, he

1129
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: gets them back, he loses them again, and like the

1130
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: the journey, the journey and the dynamism of his performances

1131
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: are have always been so amazing that to me, that's

1132
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: it's those comics that are like, I think he's one

1133
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: of those people that defies all of that. He's a

1134
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: club comic, he's an alternative comic. He can do everything

1135
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: because every time he's on stage, he's absolutely like, oh, smoopy.

1136
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: Why didn't you like that? You know what I mean?

1137
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: Like he's constantly confronting the audience about what they are

1138
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: or are not doing.

1139
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: It's just, yeah, I miss life for he is the

1140
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: comices acknowledges every moment as it's happening every moment, and yeah,

1141
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: he's the only person where I'm like watching him and

1142
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, God, he's a genius. While simultaneously the audience

1143
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: it's a little confused. There's the way he deals with

1144
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: that is, Oh, it's my favorite.

1145
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: He likes he gives the opportunity he gives the audience

1146
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: the opportunity to judge and dis miss him, and it's

1147
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: like he's like because since because some of his jokes

1148
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: are incredibly corny, but they're usually the kind of current

1149
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: event ones like and then he but then he just

1150
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: starts ripping through those cards.

1151
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: It is just like it's that kind of thing where you're.

1152
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: Watching the audience think they're the expert when actually the

1153
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 3: expert is in charge, Like the expert is doing it

1154
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: on purpose.

1155
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember, yeah, I remember in like late Obama years,

1156
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 5: he would do hot Tub and the audience that hot

1157
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 5: Tub is very progressive. I would say that they were,

1158
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 5: you know, as a whole Bernie supporters. Yeah, if you

1159
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 5: had to, like, you know, paint them with one brush.

1160
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 5: But so he would say something positive about Obama and

1161
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 5: the audience and be like, no, we don't know, he's

1162
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 5: not progressive enough for us, and it would kind of

1163
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 5: catch Andy off guard because he'd be.

1164
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: Like, Oh, this is going to be a thing that's

1165
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: going to be fine, and then it wouldn't.

1166
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 5: And watching him recruit from that while comments and unrecouping

1167
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 5: from that, while commenting on how we thought it was safe, well,

1168
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 5: commenting on how we thought it was to progressive, was

1169
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 5: such a very funny like loop of information, and then

1170
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 5: it would eventually break the audience, you know, and like

1171
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 5: watching that moment when the audience.

1172
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: Finally gets on board with that is so perfect. Yeah,

1173
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: that's a really good way of putting it. Stacking comment

1174
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: commenting on the comment on the comment, it's the best

1175
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: until they're finally like, okay, you got us, now we know,

1176
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: now we understand, we've just learned something. Thank you.

1177
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 5: It is like kind of like taming a wild horse.

1178
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 5: I remember the very first I think when we started

1179
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 5: Hot Sub Curt and Christen were there for like the

1180
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 5: first year and a half, like straight and it's.

1181
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: Never ever happened again.

1182
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 5: But and then the very first guest host we had

1183
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 5: with Sean Patten, and he had to like it was

1184
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 5: like breaking a horse. He had to like go into

1185
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 5: the audience. He had to work so hard. And when

1186
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 5: he finally broke them and got them on board, because

1187
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 5: they were just mad that Curt and Kristen weren't there, right,

1188
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 5: They're like, m how dare you?

1189
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: This is my favorite horsey.

1190
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, But when he finally broke them, then he started

1191
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 5: the show and it was such a magical thing to

1192
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 5: watch a comunian and be like, no, no, no, you're

1193
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 5: gonna get on board with me. We're gonna have fun tonight.

1194
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 5: I don't care what it costs. I will stand up

1195
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 5: here and say brown butter baby until I'm blue in

1196
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 5: the face.

1197
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: That's the best. It's so funny that I thought before

1198
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: this that you had done the podcast with Joel. But

1199
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: I just because I love going to the airport. One

1200
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: time I was picking up Nate, and Nate Craig had

1201
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: flown with you or something or ran into you at

1202
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: the airport, and I did pick you up. I did

1203
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: drive you home, but we just weren't recording.

1204
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it was just me and you weren't

1205
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 5: there yet all these I definitely do not remember being

1206
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 5: in a car from the airport with Yeah.

1207
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. It was just me, it was,

1208
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: But in my mind, I was like, oh, yeah, I

1209
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: remember vividly. We all used to live on the same

1210
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: set of town. You moved, Yeah I did. I moved

1211
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: moved to the old Echo Park area. But yeah, I'm

1212
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: no longer near that airport, and I don't miss it.

1213
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: Karen and I neither of us missed the airport.

1214
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: We really don't miss driving to Los Angeles with International

1215
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 3: Airport all the time.

1216
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 5: A lot of where you guys were taking people right

1217
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 5: for the real Yeah, you can't fly on a burbank

1218
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 5: usually unless you are a millionaire.

1219
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we quickly are so much, so much more, so

1220
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: much more. Man. Did you have anything to plug anything?

1221
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, book, I do want to plug the airbnbm at

1222
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 5: I'm staying. And I know listeners you can't see this,

1223
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 5: but I'm saying this very beautiful airbnb. That is Abbey Launders.

1224
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 5: That is Moonridge Cottage on Airbnb. It's up in Big

1225
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 5: Bear and it's beautiful. It's a three bedroom, two bath

1226
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 5: and it is lovely and it's very cozy and comfortable.

1227
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 5: And I just think that anybody who's up in this

1228
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 5: area I should stay here.

1229
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: I'll stay there moon Ridge mm hmmm. Yeah. And she

1230
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: has a dear friend of mine.

1231
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 5: But it's also the first Airbnb I've ever stayed in

1232
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 5: where I'm like, oh, I kind of feel at home,

1233
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 5: like you know, sometimes they have those uncomfortable couches or like, yeah,

1234
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 5: the furniture is just kind of.

1235
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: Weird, you know what I mean, It's just not quite right.

1236
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: This one.

1237
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 5: I actually like, I'm like, oh, this feels like I

1238
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 5: would live here.

1239
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that you're plugging an air. You're supposed

1240
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: to be a producer and plug my book.

1241
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 5: Where anywhere anywhere books are sold, super serious in oral

1242
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 5: history of independent stand up comedy in Los Angeles. And

1243
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 5: we're still doing hot sub home edition, which you can

1244
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 5: find us on YouTube and the easiest way is to

1245
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 5: go to our Instagram Twitter and just click on the

1246
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 5: link tree and it'll take you right to the place

1247
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 5: to watch us and as every Monday night at eight

1248
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 5: pm Pacific.

1249
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: That's terrific. And you can see me doing mouthhorn at

1250
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: a series of outdoor jazz festivals. Just kidding this one.

1251
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Are you going to plug the one your past? It's tomorrow. Yeah,

1252
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about something from the past, a classic podcast mistake.

1253
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: You know what, Chris, when we come back to live shows,

1254
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: I'll book you, but just for mouthhorn. Oh I hey,

1255
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: it's a challenge accepted. Thank you.

1256
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: You could be Chris could be the opening act mauthhorn

1257
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: behind a mask.

1258
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you just kind of set that toned.

1259
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: I hope you guys like Mangione but really muted. Yeah. Yeah,

1260
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: many thank you so much for being here with ye.

1261
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I'm sorry

1262
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: that I thought you'd been on before. My memories get crossed,

1263
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's love.

1264
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 5: I've done more podcasts than ever in my whole life,

1265
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 5: and they've been all nerve rocking and terrifying, but also

1266
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 5: very fun because I'm just talking to friends.

1267
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just to hang out.

1268
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. Let's pretend we were just at a party, Karen.

1269
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: When parties come back, I am still going to come

1270
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: and cook for yours. Oh oh, and I'm coming. We

1271
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: made that plan. Yes, we did in February. February of

1272
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Yeah, no, I'm twenty twenty. Did we do

1273
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: it like directly before? Yeah?

1274
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 5: I remember I came over. I made that tomato gilette yo.

1275
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 5: We had dinner and you were like, I'm going to

1276
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 5: do monthly parties and I was like I want to

1277
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 5: cook for them, and then like and you were like, great,

1278
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 5: we'll plan one from March, and then like two weeks

1279
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 5: later we were like, I guess that did never realize that.

1280
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: Was like I didn't realize it was in February.

1281
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Oh what then I was just like, see

1282
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: you later. I won't be answering your text the next year.

1283
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 3: Food.

1284
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: I know you have all those daily harvests. We can

1285
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: just blend up a couple of daily harvests. I was like,

1286
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: do you have enough food to eat?

1287
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 5: Just me checking all my friends? Are you gonna start

1288
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 5: to death?

1289
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: Thanks for never Thank you man. Absolutely great to see you.

1290
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you. You've been listening to Do

1291
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: you need a ride? D y n A to hear

1292
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: that horn? Oh boy, oh my god, that's that's nice.

1293
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good.

1294
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 2: Are leaving on you wanna way back?

1295
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: Either way?

1296
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: We want to be there, doesn't matter how much baggage

1297
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 2: you clean. Give us time and turman On and Gabe.

1298
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: We want to send you off in Stormer.

1299
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: You want to welcome you back home. Tell us all

1300
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: about it.

1301
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: We scared her? Was it fine?

1302
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: Melbourne?

1303
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

1304
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?

1305
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride?

1306
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?

1307
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need with Karen

1308
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: and Chris