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Speaker 1: On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello, thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming. Athang Hi, Hi, what's a good one?

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Speaker 1: I am Caitlin Torante. I am one of the hosts

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Speaker 1: of the Beckdel Cast. I'm Jamie Lopsis. I'm the other one.

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Speaker 1: By a round of applause, who has listened to the

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Speaker 1: show before? Oh cool, you're right. That's so funny because

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Speaker 1: do you remember the first time we did a live

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Speaker 1: shows maybe a year and a half ago now, and

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Speaker 1: we're like, hey, is anyone putting her through the show before?

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Speaker 1: And someone was like, what did not know where they

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Speaker 1: were or what they were doing? Does that apply to

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Speaker 1: anyone here? Has anyone not heard the show before? Don't

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Speaker 1: be shy? Okay, we got we got what We thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, so you just get Your friends were like,

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Speaker 1: come on, great, well welcome, sorry for what's about to happen?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, well we should uh for you, We'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what the show is about. So this is our

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Speaker 1: podcast about the role of women in movies. Um, so

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Speaker 1: we analyze it through the lens of the Bechdel test,

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Speaker 1: which is what well, Jamie. The Bectel test is a

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Speaker 1: test that you apply to media, usually movies. It requires

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Speaker 1: that a movie has two named, female identifying characters I

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Speaker 1: know grows. They have to speak to each other, and

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Speaker 1: their conversation cannot be about a man. Can we demo it?

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Speaker 1: Let's demo it? If the lives how can we them

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Speaker 1: on it? And stand? I want to do that? Everyone

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Speaker 1: needs to see my costume? Yes, um, hey, Caitlin, Hey Jamie,

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Speaker 1: do you stretch a lot? I? Actually no, I don't

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Speaker 1: with me? Um? Do I have a choice? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: would love to stress. Still typically have a choice? Does

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Speaker 1: can pass? All right? So that's kind of how great

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Speaker 1: there's That's one of our more problematic passes. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: pose another question to the audience, which probably won't pass,

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Speaker 1: depending on who answers. But another fun thing happens during

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Speaker 1: our live shows sometimes where people have come and haven't

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Speaker 1: seen the movie we're discussing. Has anyone here not seen

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Speaker 1: Edward scissor hands? Wow? Okay, we got to too great?

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Speaker 1: They just raised their scissors into their I think that

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Speaker 1: was funny. I always forgot I was gonna bring Okay,

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Speaker 1: because Caitlin is cosplaying, is Edward is going to bring

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Speaker 1: a handful of tacks and be like, I'm Jamie handful attacks.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that would have translated very well on stage,

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Speaker 1: you know what. I think you're wrong, but I do

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Speaker 1: think that it wouldn't have been fun for an hour.

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Speaker 1: So here we are talking about the portrayal of women

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Speaker 1: in a specific movie. But before we get into that,

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Speaker 1: we're going to introduce our guests. She's a gem. She's

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Speaker 1: such a gem. She's absolutely wonderful. She's a talented writer,

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Speaker 1: she's a talented actor. She has an incredible series of

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Speaker 1: video essays, one of which is on this exact movie.

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Speaker 1: Please everyone give a warm welcome to Maggie may Fish.

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Speaker 1: That was great. You nailed it. Okay, you nailed it. Now, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: you are cosplaying as the houses in the movie. Yeah, yeah, houses,

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Speaker 1: and then the very bottom is the sexy housewife. Wow. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's kind of a two for two. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: What is your history your relationship with Edward scissor Hands

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Speaker 1: So the story of Edwards Scissor Hands, Well, first, I

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Speaker 1: flesh colored head to start, gets worse from there. I

420
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: feel like though, even though a lot of the characters

421
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: we see are very trophy like, very archetypal, I would

422
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: argue that Peg and Kim are less so, and I

423
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: appreciate their like relationship. I like that you see them

424
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: generally getting a lot. You don't see what you like

425
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: for a typical like cheerleader, popular girl, teen girl character.

426
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, she can't get along with anyone. She hates

427
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: all other women, some big beef right, So it's nicely,

428
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: I guess you see representation of a positive Yeah, Peg

429
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: is my favorite character. I love Peg. So it's so

430
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: hard to get a movie mom done well, Like I

431
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: feel like moms are always you know, kind of getting

432
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: you know, they're either not getting enough story or but

433
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: the fact that the movie starts out with her in

434
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: a series of choices like you're saying that she makes

435
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: and her character is like more consistent than the protagonist

436
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: for sure, where she's like she's all her instinct is

437
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: to always take care of people. She's one of the

438
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: only women we see who has a job like she's

439
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: Pegs type. She is. She really cares like she's when

440
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I whenever I rewatched this, she's the only one that

441
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: I really PEG's back. Yeah, I hope back. I hope

442
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: Arkin is like generous to her, like lover w Yeah, okay,

443
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Arkin goes down on Peg because she works hard and

444
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: she's not she's good to everyone and so you know,

445
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: pay you forward's Yeah. One thing I want to say

446
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: about that character, Alan Arkin. Let me just read a

447
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: monologue that he gives, if you'll allow me. He's talking

448
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: to Edward. He's like, you've been in that castle too long.

449
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: You don't know anything about the wonderful world of teenage girls.

450
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: They're all crazy. I don't know what it is. They

451
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: reach a certain age, they developed these gland things, their

452
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: bodies swell up, they go crazy. I try not to

453
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: think about it. It seems like a good dad. Yeah yeah,

454
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: it seems like he's just there for her daughter in

455
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: every hard turn. The only thing that I will defend

456
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: that monologue is is it is supposed to be silly.

457
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: That character is supposed to look And that scene ends

458
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: with the dad giving Edward a Mike hard. He says

459
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: it's not really, but he says it's lemonade. Whiskey's either way,

460
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: it's hard. Mike's hard, lemonade blood orange flavors and He's like,

461
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: I know, Deadpools on the camp, but try to try

462
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: to grit your teeth through that and enjoy the Mike's hard.

463
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: It's a good beverage. Don't hold Deadpool, you know whatever.

464
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: Even in they were gritting their teeth through the Deadpool franchise.

465
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: It's been going on. One thing I wanted to bring

466
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: up was the scissor Hands as a disability. Basically, I

467
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: just want to say that there is almost no visibility

468
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: of people with disabilities in mainstream movies. Edwards scissor hands

469
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: are presented as a disability of sorts. We see him

470
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: struggling to do different tasks. We have different characters being like, hey,

471
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: don't let anyone tell you you're handicapped, you know. They're like,

472
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: I have a doctor friend, who can you know, help

473
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: you out and fix this. While it's interesting and important

474
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: to show and represent, you know, the types of obstacles

475
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: and or microaggressions that people with disabilities might have to

476
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: deal with, it's frustrating that one of the few movies

477
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: that portrays a character with a disability does not have

478
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: a real disability to give visibility to. And also like

479
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: ends up with the person with the disability being excommunicated.

480
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: But and then before that it's highly fetishized where so well,

481
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: it's a tricky thing because I mean, I don't know

482
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: what everyone's experienced with this movie is, but I feel

483
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: like Edward Scissorhands is one of those characters that, like

484
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: kids would an adults would plug themselves into because you

485
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: can't like especially when you're like a kid that feels

486
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: different like that's of course, it's a character that before

487
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: you realize that you shouldn't kill Anthony Michael Hall, they

488
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: here before we learn that lesson that you would connect to.

489
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: And so the places where it misses, especially I don't

490
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: know him being told to funk off forever, really bothered

491
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: me because thinking of the context of how people view

492
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: that character, the takeaway is like, then then you kill

493
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: someone and then you can never have a friend. Yeah,

494
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: and the girl you love will never talk to you again,

495
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: she'll marry someone else, they'll have a kid, and then

496
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: she'll talk about you behind your back for the rest

497
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: of your life. Yeah. Yeah, here's onto the next fun topic.

498
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: So this movie does a harmful thing where a woman

499
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: I think Joyce is her name, comes on to Edward

500
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: tries to seduce him, tries to kiss him, He's not

501
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: having it. He runs away. Yeah, but then after the

502
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: towns people start to turn on him after she retaliatestated

503
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: by telling people that he tried to rape her. Right,

504
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I mean that spreads a number of bad messages, which

505
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: one where you going to bring up first? The first

506
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: thing is that it feeds into the idea that when

507
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: women are victims of assault come forward, they're lying up,

508
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: they made its chit chatting on their phones, and they're

509
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: painting their nails, and that is I mean, that is

510
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: like a dead giveaway of like, yeah, man Rode at

511
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: least part of this, because yeah, like the fact that

512
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, a woman who is reporting a rape

513
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: is a lying and be doing it because she felt

514
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: somehow rejected or scorned yes by a man that she

515
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: basically assaulted herself. So that I mean, and and that

516
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: whole scene too with them where the consent is confused

517
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: using in that scene, because there is one point where

518
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: Edward is like, oh, but then he's scared, and also

519
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what windows are and it's like the

520
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: baby not the baby, don't have sex with it. And

521
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: during that scene there's like a comedic song in the background.

522
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: It's like upbeat, like Doo Doo Doo do do Seinfeld

523
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: theme song. Yes, yeah, but it is clearly played as

524
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: isn't this funny that this like sexy housewife. There's like

525
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: a so into Edward that she would do this, and

526
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: no matter what way you view Edward, that just does

527
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: not track at all, because there are like a number

528
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: of things that are supposed to indicate to us that

529
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: he is a literal baby, like he's a young child.

530
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: We have we even see that like mirror moment that

531
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: he has in Kim's room that is like the I

532
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: don't know that I've only I've only been to college once,

533
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: so I don't know what the name for it is,

534
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: but it's there's a moment where were mirror stage, the

535
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: mirror stage there you got, but he walks into you know,

536
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Kim's room and sees his reflection for the first time

537
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: and knows what he looks like for the first time,

538
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: which is something that babies do. Anyways, he's a baby,

539
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: don't have sex with him. Pretty simple rule. Well, uh,

540
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: we've talked about this really quickly before we started recording,

541
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: but I think we both thought of the born sexy

542
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: Yesterday trope, which we bring up there. Yeah who no, Yeah,

543
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean I I'm not sure where I land on that, because,

544
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: like we were talking about the born sexy Yesterday trope

545
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: is uh conventioned typically found in sci fi movies, usually

546
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: where it's like a hot woman, uh you know, is

547
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: an alien and she's hot and she falls in love

548
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: with the first man she meets who teaches her how

549
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: the world works, and she's very naive. It's a very

550
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: common trope. And so I first was thinking, oh, maybe

551
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: Edwards sort of falls into this because although he hasn't

552
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: never knude, he is a a by and you know,

553
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: there are women showing him, mostly women showing him what

554
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the world around him is. Um, but I didn't. I

555
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: don't know. It's not quite that. It's not quite that.

556
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: What I think is a more appropriate, like kind of

557
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: movie trend to apply to this movie is the and

558
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't have a name for it, but the people

559
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: falling in love with non humans. Oh so this is

560
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: there's a great Lindsayellois video about this. Yeah, why do

561
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: we like monsters? I also wrote an essay about this

562
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: two months ago. Oh my goodness, I didn't read it.

563
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Well I'm calling you out. Oh my god, audience. So,

564
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: when it happens when a woman falls in love with

565
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: a non human, it's usually a beast, a creature, fish,

566
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: a fish, uh, someone who's disfigured. Any lives at the

567
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: basement of an opera house, the Baba Duke hot hot Hot,

568
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: that was. Other examples are any beauty and the beast

569
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: adaptation Shape of Water, Phantom of the Opera. Apparently this

570
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: happens in Howard the Duck, which I haven't seen. Yeah,

571
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: there's a whole Yeah, King Kong is kind of an

572
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: example this, I would argue, like Tarzan is kind of

573
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: an example. I love Godzilla, you would be mine, Okay,

574
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: if I had to pick, it would be Godzilla. So.

575
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: And then on another end of the spectrum of this

576
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: is whenever men fall in love in movies with non humans,

577
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: it's usually a very hot robot and or alien like

578
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: blanks like literal blank the girlfriend experience. Yeah, yeah, a

579
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: sexy blank slate. There's a lot of I mean, there's

580
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of When it comes to like

581
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: the beast trope, A lot of the tropes involved with

582
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: that are racist. A lot of the tropes involved with that. Uh.

583
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: In the in the case of the Shape of Water

584
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: hot Fish Alert. Uh, that is like more of a

585
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: gentle telling of that where it's like, this is the

586
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: other creature, King Kong is hell a racist? And I

587
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: think you had a great point with that where Dessert

588
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: hands of like this sort of fetishizing a disabled character. Yeah, right,

589
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: because in most of these examples, when it's a woman

590
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: loving a creature or some other you know, other non human,

591
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: she's usually very conventionally attractive and he is not. Isn't

592
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: that why I wonder give Tim Burton a chance? I guess,

593
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: state nerds, State Nerds. It's almost as if women's value

594
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: in society is based on her appearance, and how there's

595
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: a ridiculous standard of beauty that we have to uphold

596
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: and maintain well. And in both of these relationships. In

597
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: in the Born Sexy Yesterday trope, the man teaches the

598
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: woman everything she knows. He's in complete control of shaping

599
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: her as a person, which is wow, what a fantasy. Uh.

600
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: And then and and then the the you know, the

601
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: female character in the in the Beast trope still also

602
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: kind of loses because very often the beast will retaliate

603
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: on her will like first behave violently or toxic, and

604
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: and then she has to be the one to tame

605
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: him bend over backwards to make it work. Yeah, a

606
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: lot of emotional labor in the Beast mad sometimes kidnapping,

607
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: like right, because in both there's usually like a situation

608
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: where the human has to teach humanity to the hot

609
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: robot or the beast, But yeah, the context is entirely different.

610
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, good point, Caitlin. Uh Okay, anyway, what else

611
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: did you want to One thing we could mention is

612
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: the baldest Woman in Charge happens because Peg keeps getting

613
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: her hair cut shorter and shorter gets as she gets

614
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: more powerful, she gets snipped more. It's there there, on

615
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: board with the Baldest Woman in Charge narrative. Another quick

616
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: thing is the scene where Edward is like a guest

617
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: on a talk show with Peg, and a woman in

618
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: the audience says like, oh, have you ever thought about

619
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: having corrective surgery or prosthetics? I know a doctor who

620
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: might be able to help, And then Edward says, I'd

621
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: like to meet him. Yeah, what if the doctor wasn't

622
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: to him Edward, but he just assumed because it was

623
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: a doctor that it would well, he lived up in

624
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: a castle and he still had that sexism like ingrained in.

625
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: He didn't even learn that. He I think have another

626
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: strike against the inventor. Yeah, the inventor is just sitting

627
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: around and being like, hey, if you ever happened to

628
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: meet a woman, she's dumb, do you do? Kind of

629
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: see the inventor teaching him like etiquette, but it is

630
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: like very stuffy, old fashioned etiquette stuff. So he yeah,

631
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: he was the little that he was socialized was like

632
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: very archaic stuff. Yeah, And there is that crazy moment

633
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: in the this I do remember when I was a

634
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: kid of like what whoa in the talk show scene

635
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: where one of the girls and this would be me

636
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: in any contexts, like do you have a girlfriend? And

637
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: then we're just because he just stares and it's like

638
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: for ten seconds, he stairs and we cut out to

639
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Kim wanting the interview, and he's still he's just like

640
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: and no one says anything of like this is just

641
00:41:53,400 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: say no, and then he himself and then and then

642
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: he's like I have to snip something, and he's something, hey,

643
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and then we'll be right

644
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: back here's the fun thing we can talk about is

645
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: Tim Burton being a racist. Okay, that's fun. Let's do it.

646
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: Rape timber being a racists topics. Um, so, as we know,

647
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: Tim Burton's movies are painfully white. He does not care

648
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: like many white directors in Hollywood, does not care about

649
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: being inclusive, unlike most white directors in Hollywood. He later

650
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: went on to say it was very intentional that everything was. Yeah,

651
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: he likes it that way. Yeah, He's like, um, what

652
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: else would I do? And it's like, sir, you want

653
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: to take that again? And no, okay, I'm writing this

654
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: down right here that you're you said this, and he

655
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he needs to be you know. It's

656
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: like if I had scissor hands, I swear to God. Well,

657
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: allow me to read a quote from Tim Burton I

658
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: think from two thousand and sixteen. Uh. He says, I

659
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: remember back when I was a child watching The Britty

660
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: Bunch and they started to get all politically correct, like okay,

661
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: let's have an Asian child and a black a black,

662
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: he says, all black. And then he interrupted himself and

663
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: he was like, I used to get more offended by

664
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: that than just and then he interrupts himself again and says,

665
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: I grew up watching black exploitation movies, right, and I

666
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: said that's great. I didn't go like, Okay, there should

667
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: be more white people in these movies. End quote. Do

668
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: you I think in this quote he's realizing he's very

669
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: raisist in real time. Yes, yeah, yeah. There are literal

670
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: dashes in the quote where he like, he's like, talk

671
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: about black splitation, let's talk about it. You've talked up

672
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: at it. And then he's like and I and every

673
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: pause and he got more braceis he like paused and

674
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: like dull doubles down, and then he's like, anyways, I've

675
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: seen a black explanation movie. And then he walks into

676
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: the ocean goodbye. Because I think there's only one character

677
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: who's a person of color in Edward Scissor Hands, and

678
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: it's one of the police officers. And other than that,

679
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: it's the whitest movie you've ever seen. Yes, And it's

680
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: crazy because it's, you know, fiction, so there's no excuse.

681
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: All his work is fiction. It's all fantasy land. Yeah,

682
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: a white fantasy land. Yeah. Yeah, we see Alice in

683
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: Wonderland five hundred. Yeah, I do think like Tim Burton

684
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: is a He's an interesting case for a director because

685
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: he started out as an artist. Specifically he loved drawing,

686
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: so that's why his films are so visual, which is

687
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: up plus. But also he like doesn't have this like

688
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: story minded. It's all about the visual. So he likes

689
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: white people and big eyes because he likes paleness and

690
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: it reminds him of himself or something. Wes Anderson has

691
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: a version of this syndrome where he needs everything to

692
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: look nice and then he like it's an all white

693
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: cast and then if there's not white people, they're using

694
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: set dressing in his weird painting that he's making and

695
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: it's not like thinking yeah about things. Um, like, your

696
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: work is a part of the world. Except Tim Burton.

697
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: I think his ideal world is him on top of

698
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: a mountain in his own little mansion alone, when they're

699
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: making statues at ice. I guess with everyone at the

700
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: bottom being like that. He was awesome. It was awesome

701
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: when he was here. He was really cool. We all

702
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: wanted to it was hot. Oh boy, I think that

703
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: was all that I have. Oh man, I know I've

704
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: gotten through my five pages. I did I did want

705
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: to say in in praise of the character Edward scissor Hands.

706
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: It is very unusual to have a male protagonist that

707
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: is not traditionally macho. It is kind of unusual to

708
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: have a movie where the only really traditionally macho character

709
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: in the movie is you know, literally killed. But I

710
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: think that there are there are pluses to that character,

711
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: because that's not something that you see especially in like

712
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: if you were a young boy who did not you know,

713
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, connected to those like action heroes

714
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: who are like I'm gonna punch every woman. I see, uh,

715
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: in a way like Edward is like somewhat feminineine like

716
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: here and there, Like uh, yeah, I think that's a

717
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: big plus. He cuts hair, he like does our you know,

718
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: and he's he does like domestic stuff. He's chop and lettuce,

719
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: he's chopping. He was made in a cookie factory. He

720
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: connects with almost all women. And I don't know, I mean,

721
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: there there are elements to that character that I think

722
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: are good, especially for for its time. Yeah, I would agree,

723
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's actually probably I think that's a

724
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 1: trend across a lot of Tim Burton's work, where most

725
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: of his characters are his protagonists are male identifying, but

726
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: they are usually like very soft spoken. They're usually Johnny Depp. Like, yeah,

727
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: they're usually Johnny Depp, who is an awesome guy. I've

728
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: heard nothing but good things, what a cool man. Okay.

729
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: To be fair, though, when I, you know, was watching

730
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: this movie a lot and other of Tim Burton's Johnny

731
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: Depp movies, I was a big fan of Johnny Depp

732
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: back then. And yeah, you're legally required if you didn't

733
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: like Johnny Depp, you had to reggie your stir yourself

734
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: with the government. It was like a thing, uh there,

735
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: and and uh, just just continuing that with that a

736
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: little bit. Even though a bracissor Hands is a soft

737
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: spoken male character who thinks sort of happened to he

738
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: doesn't do that much. He usually lets women just show

739
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: him like hey, you're doing this now, and he's like okay,

740
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, this is great. But he doesn't

741
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: fall into like the nerd toxicity zone. Uh that a

742
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: lot of like Anthony Michael Hall movies fall into of

743
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: like the nerd feeling entitled to things from women, usually

744
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: especially because they feel rejected and you know, there's no

745
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: there's no element of that in Edward. He's very polite,

746
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: he's very grateful. He is so I don't like Paddington,

747
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: but not a hood. Paddington is way better. I have

748
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: not seen you know, I really have to, but yeah,

749
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's that character specifically could have fallen

750
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: into a lot of traps, doesn't Yeah, not to give

751
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: Tim Burton more credit than he deserves. Yeah, well, does

752
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: anyone have any other final thoughts? Just? Yeah, I guess,

753
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: just to reiterate what Jamie said, like the ending of

754
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: the movie is the weirdest, and the fact that she

755
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: can't be with a guy who has scissors for hands

756
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: because she's ugly now is so weird. And not that

757
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: she can't be with a guy because she literally saw

758
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: him murder someone. Yeah, like that's a legit reason to

759
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: not date someone feel someone that would you know, make

760
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: sexy time a little having flashbacks off you abbing that person,

761
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm letting him fall out a window. Yeah, we Does

762
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: anyone have any questions or comments that they want to share? Yeah,

763
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: come on down to we can come mind. I just

764
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: wanted to point out the Titanic similarity. And then you

765
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: have an old woman telling her grandchild that is not

766
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: related to the man that she loved in the story. Wow,

767
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: this person apause, Thank you so much. Yes, I'm one

768
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: of the people who has not seen the movie, but

769
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: I've read the Wikipedia. You've seen the movie, then basically

770
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: you've seen it. But the one part I can't remember,

771
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like it might be actually pretty significant

772
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: because of the Princess Bride reference is old Winona writer

773
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: telling the story to her grand daughter, grandson, granddaughter, and

774
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: in the Princess Bride it was the grandson, right, yeah, okay,

775
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: the story that had more fighting and action and romance

776
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of what I was leading to. Okay, whoa so

777
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: yes dropped them. It was like, anyway, looks like you

778
00:50:53,640 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: forgot something awesome, so good. So to recap, this story

779
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: that's being retold to the young girl is a is

780
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: a romance story. It's a love story, whereas the story

781
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: and the Princess Bride that's being told to a young

782
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: boy is about there's action and there's fighting, and he

783
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: s at the love. He makes the grandpa skip over that,

784
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: at least at first. He warns up to it eventually,

785
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, there is a distinct difference. Thank you for

786
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: pointing it out. And also I don't I forget if

787
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: we said this, really, the framing device does not need

788
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: to be there. They could also just start. Do you

789
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: guys think you're gonna tell your grandchildren people you almost

790
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: had sex with. I'm gonna be like, so, Okay, there's

791
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: this guy who's in a Lunchables commercial, but he's really nice.

792
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have any children, so that that

793
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: won't happen for me. You can tell you can tell

794
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: my grandchildren. Okay, yeah, couple like, Hey, so there's this guy.

795
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: I just want to add really quick. I think, as

796
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, Alan Arkin does a good job in this movie,

797
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: but I could think of one man who could have

798
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: done a better job. Uh. Well, his nickname is Freddie,

799
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: but his full name is Mr Alfred Molina. I think

800
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: he would have been a great thick daddy in this movie.

801
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: And he Okay, if Alfred Molina was playing the god,

802
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 1: I can't even say his name. You just I saw

803
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: goose bumps go up and down your arm. Sorry, i've

804
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: activated your scissors in your body a shifting. Uh. If

805
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina was playing the Alan Arkin character, there would

806
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: be no doubt in our minds that Peg was like

807
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: getting head because Molina characters, and we're like, he takes

808
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: care of business. He even dot Cock, you know, maybe

809
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: especially dot Cock. He belongs in this universe, Dock and

810
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: somebody is as he was. Yeah, those there other questions

811
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: I thought. I wanted the back. Yeah, come on, come

812
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: on down. So I love this movie. And one of

813
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: the things that I always noticed was so weird about

814
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: it that they just like have popped in and then

815
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: never address again, is that one like crazy woman who's

816
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: in her dark house, like playing her piano, and she's

817
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: like that guy's trouble, Like where does what? What? Can

818
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: we just talk about her? Totally? Totally, We kind of

819
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: skipped over church Lady a little bit. I think that

820
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: church Lady, I mean, she's another very trophy character in

821
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. But I think this is also like tim

822
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: Burton's weak sauce attempt to be like the suburbs are

823
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: evil like and she and and you know, like, I

824
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: think he's just taking every element of the suburbs and

825
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: demonizing it in this very like eighties and nineties way

826
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: where there were so many movies win the writers in

827
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: a lot of them that is like, you know, my

828
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: parents who loved me fuck them. That is the theme

829
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: of so many movies. It's like teenagers who are very

830
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: privileged being like, hey mom and Dad, I know you

831
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: worked hard your entire fucking life to give me anything

832
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: I want, but score you horrible or I think that

833
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: was how I interpreted church Lady. It's like a little

834
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: Timmy in the back room, like, hey, you know you're

835
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: a little church It's stupid. Yeah, that is what he

836
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: thinks he was doing with that character. That was Mr

837
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: tim making his big point. Yeah, it also seemed like

838
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: because I grew up in a very small town, and

839
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: it seems like someone who wasn't born in a small

840
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: town like being like, oh I know what that's all about.

841
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh you got this person. Oh you've got the crazy

842
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: church lady. Oh and you got the housewife. Like I

843
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: heard that ticky taggy song. I think I got it.

844
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: That's all the rest to do. Okay, does my script anyways?

845
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: It's a guy with sharp hands. Well we think, what

846
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: a worry? Any other questions or comments? Yeah, I just

847
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: went to flash back to when Jamie said if Alfred

848
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: Molina was Elan Arkin, there will be no doubt that

849
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: he was going down. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Anyways,

850
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: let's a doubt. So this is a two part episode.

851
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: There aren't any cats. There's a lot of dogs in

852
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: this movie, but there are sadly no cats, so I

853
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: can't bring up cat facts. Oh there's a Backstreet boy

854
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: in this movie. Yes, there's a bat boy. So when

855
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: they were driving into the suburbs for the first time

856
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: and you see a man doing a slipping slide, that's yeah,

857
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: dude White Well, I don't know, but it's on his IMDb.

858
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: He credits himself as being in Edwards hands. Nick, good

859
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: for you, So there's not they're no cats. But if

860
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: there's nipples to the Carters have, I'm gonna speculate and

861
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 1: say too. So Nick Carter has two nipples. That's Carter

862
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: facts with Caitlin. Any other questions on the speculation of

863
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: whether or not Edward scissor him has a circulatory system.

864
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: We clearly know that his entire insights are made of scissors,

865
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: So if his blood, why not can't his blood just

866
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: not be smaller red scissors? Oh my god, you cracked it.

867
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what it is. That's one of

868
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: those ones where we're like, oh, yeah, it's tiny red scissors.

869
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to ask a question that

870
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: Caitlin hates when people bring up about our beetle juice

871
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: episode where I at up what I think is the

872
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: question of the century, and now that's Halloween season again,

873
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves does beetle juice come scabs?

874
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: And if so, are they dry or are they wet? Uh?

875
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: This has been your annual reminder of wondering what beetle

876
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: juice comes. They're drying? Okay, we have a hardened That's worse.

877
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: That's a way worse. Because then I think I've said

878
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: this before too. It would sound like a shuffle like

879
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: a deck of cards. Does that mean then, does Edward

880
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: scissor hands come tiny little scissors? Yeah? Why does there

881
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: always have to be a sound effect? What ifs just

882
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: like and that there was like n scams in the ground,

883
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: I have to go home any other Yeah, I just

884
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: wanted to mention that at the end, like the big

885
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: gun fights, saying where he has a gun for some reason,

886
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: when my gold when he slaps and then like Donkey

887
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: kicks Kim, I felt like that was really excessive because

888
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: he already has a gun, you have a reason to

889
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: kill him, but he still has to get the violence

890
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: towards women in there for some reason when he's been

891
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: like pulling on her and kind of like you know,

892
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: bossing her around the whole time. That's a great point. Yeah,

893
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that sounds like another like in the

894
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: way that they go way out of the way to

895
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: demonize this job character in a way that is cartoonist

896
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: for this movie. Uh yeah, it's like, let's get in

897
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: a few lat because I what I would guess is

898
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: like some sort of studio note of like, please remind

899
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: everyone why we hate this guy because he's about to

900
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: get murdered. Yeah, just once again, let's really justify this murder. Ye,

901
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: not getting rid of murder. So let's just make sure

902
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: we write to justify killing Anthony Michael Hall, non negotiable

903
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: everything around it. Yeah yeah, but absolutely like getting in

904
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: because there's not like that's not an element of this

905
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: movie at all up until that moment. I think we

906
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: talked about this in the point break episode. This happens

907
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: all the time in movies where the bad guys will

908
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: inflict violence on women more so than anyone else because

909
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: it like ups the stakes and it makes it same.

910
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: Oh that look how bad these guys are woman. A

911
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: lot of men, yeah, a lot of men, and just

912
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: like the whole uh you know, lazy writing trope of

913
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: making abusers of women very cartoonish where you can literally

914
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: see you're like, oh, yeah, he's gonna hit a lady.

915
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: That's not Men in the audience can think to themselves exactly,

916
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: so that you know, when there's predatory characters like this,

917
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: men who may have many of those qualities themselves can

918
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: feel comfortable and be like, well, I don't I'm not

919
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not screaming, and I'm not screaming

920
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: at my friend a drunk drive for no reason, you know.

921
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: And so I'm bringing a gun to an abandoned castle,

922
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: So I'm good. I don't need Yeah, so that's unfortunate.

923
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing that up. I think we have time

924
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: for one more question. Yeah, okay. First, I want to

925
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: say that I'm the end of the movie made me

926
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: really sad, But what made me happy was I'm new

927
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: to the podcast thanks to my fiance. I don't know

928
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: the rules with the test, but I did notice that

929
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: in the beginning is it peg, the mom is talking

930
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 1: to Berta from Two and a half Man, The main Yeah,

931
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: and then they both said names, and so I'm like,

932
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: does that I got? We got really excited. I was like, oh,

933
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: I think that passes the test? Right? This is the

934
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: perfect God, It's literally like this podcast, Yes, I think

935
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: what that is the smoothest transition we've ever had podcast ever.

936
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: As a fan of Segways, I am pro God. That

937
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: was I like, who It was like, oh, are we

938
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: getting a gifted to I'm about to come scabs? That

939
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: was so WHOA Like anyways, uh, Segway to what we

940
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: were going to end the show on. Right, So let's

941
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: talk about whether or not this movie passes the Bechdel test. Uh.

942
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: The scene said I think you're calling into question is

943
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: when Peg is going kind of door to door at

944
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: the very beginning of the movie and trying to sell

945
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: her Avon's m because it's not as funny the second

946
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: time around. Okay, but she is talking to we learned

947
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: the other woman's name is Helen at the end of

948
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: that scene, and she comes back for several times and

949
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you can buy your you know, your

950
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: creams and your shadows, and she does her presentation with her.

951
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: She does a really good job, is really proud of her.

952
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: Every time I see that scene. She sells it really

953
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: hard of my mom's avon Lady Bev Bev Yeah yeah.

954
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: And then Helen's like, I never buy anything from you producers.

955
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: Sophie's just shaking your head. We left bev On examined

956
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: for another show. Yeah, let's start a whole new podcast

957
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: about it. Let's talk about my oly neighbor Bev. So anyway,

958
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: so that conversation, I would say passes because they we

959
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: learned both of their names, and they don't talk about

960
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: men at all. They're talking about a failed cosmetic purchase,

961
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: and it's really that's when that's still one of the

962
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: funniest moments in the movie, too, so charming. Would she

963
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: just they know because that she's like okay, goodbye. So funny.

964
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: And then the scene right after that, Peg is talking

965
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: to Joyce and Joyce is all like, oh, there's a

966
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: vehicle in my driveway. I'm very busy trying to suck

967
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: this dishwasher repair man. Yeah, she's chaotic Corney. Yeah. She

968
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: never mentioned explicitly that she's busy with a man. The

969
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: subtext of that conversation is revolving around a man. There's

970
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: a few different phone conversations where that's the case where

971
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: sometimes there's a lot of you know, like neighborhood phone

972
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: calls and you know, tim, Timmy's over in the corner,

973
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: like this is dumb, But yeah, there are somewhere it's

974
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: like there's an exchange inside of the phone call that passes.

975
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: But the subtext has to do with like, what's what's Edward? Snipping? Yeah,

976
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: because I would say most of the conversations between women

977
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: after those first few scenes always about Edward. Yeah, and

978
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: there are quite a few of them. They're quite a

979
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: few moments where it's like a group of only women talking,

980
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: but they're always yeah, it's like what's Edward? What'sward? There

981
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: is there very good impression the film. It was a

982
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: very offensive portrayal of women. Oh my god, you know

983
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: women like well, I think the movie does an offensive

984
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: portrayal of character. Once Edward enters the picture, they all

985
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: just forget their lives and it's about Edward. Yeah, they're gossiping,

986
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: you know church. Yea, that's true. God's a man, so

987
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: she was talking about it's not true. But yeah, I

988
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: would say at least those first couple of scenes in

989
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: the beginning do pass the test also the framing device

990
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the movie, when old Wrinkley

991
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: went on a rider, is all like, hey, let me

992
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: tell you how snow was invented. That would pass, except

993
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: that we never learned that granddaughter's name. Does it pass

994
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: the vaxillent test? Winona riders talking to her own rubbers Yes,

995
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: and the rubber suit creaks and response, I would say yes,

996
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: throwing it out there. Yeah, well does the rubber suit

997
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: have a name? Does the rebersuit? Yes? Note writer's rubber suits. Sorry. Yeah,

998
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, the movie does pass the

999
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: Bechtel test. It does, but many of the conversations between

1000
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: women do not. So it is one of those movies

1001
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: where there are more female cast members in general than

1002
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: there are male cast members, at least in terms of

1003
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: people who have impact on what happens in the movie.

1004
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: So it should pass by way more than it does, right. Yeah.

1005
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: And also I wish that Kim had a female friend. Yeah,

1006
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: that's very easy. She's like the head cheerleader, you would think,

1007
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: I know. And also I'm like, where I hope that,

1008
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: you know? I almost was like, I hope she doesn't

1009
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: have friends because if not, like, why aren't they like, yeah,

1010
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: you just dump this guy. It's horrible hair. Yeah, scary

1011
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: and have you seen the scissor dude who just moved in?

1012
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: Come on? Yeah, I think we could really we should

1013
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: re edit that movie with us as friends. Yeah, just

1014
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: be like yo, Kim, you see the sharp guy? Yeah? Anyways,

1015
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: dun't bad thinking my go Hall. That wouldn't pass it

1016
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: back toil testing. So well, goodbye, nobody's perfect. Shall we

1017
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: write the movie on our nipple scale? It right? As

1018
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, our nipple scale zero to five nipples. Based

1019
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: on the movie's portrayal of women. Oh, I'm gonna give it,

1020
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: I think too, because the female characters we see in

1021
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: the movie trophy though they may be, they are certainly

1022
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: way more active than nearly every male character in the story.

1023
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: So it's largely women driving the narrative. I would say

1024
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: that it gets a lot of nipples docked off for

1025
01:06:54,760 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: being excessively white, for fetishizing and treating disappelite and in

1026
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: a very strange way. But it's also like, as we

1027
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: also talked about, the like main male character is not

1028
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: like a gross toxic dude. He's I mean, he's bare,

1029
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: he's done a baby, baby, he says like seven words

1030
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: in the whole story. His first line is talking about

1031
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: his dad. How he thinks his dad. He's like, he

1032
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: didn't wake up, right, what's it's dad died in front

1033
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: of him. You're right, And he's never seen a window.

1034
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: You're right. You know that when, the when, the when?

1035
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: The not magician, but you know, the terrible inventor, the

1036
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: sexist inventor who made two things. Ever is like handing

1037
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: him his hands and he's like, here's everything you've ever wanted.

1038
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm dead. I just feel like that's going to happen

1039
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: to me something. Yeah, well, anyway, nipples because it's not

1040
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: like the most regressive story we've ever seen. It's certainly

1041
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: not progressive, but I think it hands right. So yeah,

1042
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it two nipples, and I will give

1043
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,520
Speaker 1: one to Edward. And because Edward is just made of scissors,

1044
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: his nipples are also scissors. N doesn't have a fighting chance. Yeah,

1045
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: so one nipple scissor to Edward, and I'll give my

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Speaker 1: other nipple to Joyce because I appreciate how horny she

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Speaker 1: was throughout the film. I'm going to go to as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree that this movie avoids doing something's wrong that

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Speaker 1: it could and fully capitalized doing other things wrong that

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Speaker 1: it could very on board with with what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and and just like rewatching most Timburton movies now is

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Speaker 1: just going to leave a bad taste in your mouth

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Speaker 1: because now he is just laid the cards out of

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Speaker 1: the table, you know what he's about, and giving him

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Speaker 1: money is letting that continue to happen. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a bummer because it's hard. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to rewatch a movie that you you used to

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Speaker 1: really love and that you made, you made your mommy froth.

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, it's like it's unfortunate. However,

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Speaker 1: you know, Doubt is still a movie that's out in

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Speaker 1: the world, and so we have that to feel good about.

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Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, I agree with the two nipple rating.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give both of my nipples to Nick

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Speaker 1: Carter day. He's gonna need them for that slipper slide.

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Speaker 1: That's two slippy nips her, Nick Carter. Well boy, Uh,

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Speaker 1: if it was just it was PEG's movie, oh that

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Speaker 1: would be five nipples out of five. That's really what

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Speaker 1: I crave every time I watched this movie. Just more peg.

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Speaker 1: She's a delight. It should have been a movie, but

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Speaker 1: because that's not the movie and that's not Tim Burton. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go to for all stated reasons above. Y'all.

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Speaker 1: You give me your nippies too. Oh the doggies because

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Speaker 1: those are real haircuts. They really had to give those

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Speaker 1: dogs haircuts. And uh yeah, I can't believe we got

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Speaker 1: through all the way through this without saying one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite words, topiari. Anyways, topiari is in this movie,

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Speaker 1: and it's a you know, it's a dinosaur bush thing.

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Speaker 1: It's when you make a bush look like a thing

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Speaker 1: it's not supposed to. You see a bush, you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what if something else? And then you get your snippy

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Speaker 1: hand friend and he does this little thing and then

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Speaker 1: it's you get a topiari. I do that in the shower. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: every woman is a topiari. Well with that, Maggie, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being our guest. We've had so

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Speaker 1: much fun. To our audience for coming to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey it's Caitlin. I am back in the studio and

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Speaker 1: on behalf of the back dol cast. We just wanted

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Speaker 1: the best and most supportive producers in the world. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to Sammy Junio for recording the live show for us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to everyone who came out to watch the

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Speaker 1: live show. You were the best audience we could have

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Speaker 1: asked for. A big thanks again to our guest Maggie

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Speaker 1: may Fish, who you can follow on Twitter at Maggie

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Speaker 1: may Fish May spelled m a E. You can subscribe

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