1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: is Col's Week in Review with Ryan cal Calahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: cal A Wyoming Small Claims court recently dismissed a suit 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: by a jilted lover who had spent six thousand dollars 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: on his sweetheart's tickets for a hunting safari in Zimbabwe, 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: only to have her back out at the last minute. 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: She argued that she didn't know about the plans when 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: the tickets were bought and would have said no if 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: she had known. It's not every day that you see 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: a lover's quarrel with an African elephant trophy on the line. 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: A couple wrinkles in this case. First, both parties in 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: the case have the last name Weber, but you spell 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Nina Weber with two bees and Scott Weber with one. Next, 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: Nina Weber is a Wyoming State rep which raises the 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: profile of the spat even further. So what were each 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: of these hunters of the heart? Arguing? Nina said that 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: her legislative calendar would have prevented her from traveling during 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: the hunt season. She also wouldn't have accepted the safari 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: invitation because the last one the couple had gone on 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three had been a fiasco. Among the 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: lurid details, a black mamba apparently infiltrated their camp, the 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: son of the cook stole from the guests, and Nina 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: alleges that a group of Zimbabweans who had never seen 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: a blonde woman before began chanting the words white witch 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: in their native language when they saw her. Now, to me, 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: that makes for a darn good story to each their own. 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: Although the circuit court judge who heard the case found 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: this last story credible and cited it in his dismissal 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: Nina's ex Scott Weber That's one Bee said that this 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: account was greatly exaggerated. Listen, I have no way of knowing, 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: but given that Zimbabwe is the third most popular destination 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: for a safari hunting in the world and hosts over 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: a million four in tourists a year, I'd also find 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: it hard to believe that seeing a woman with blonde 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: hair would be that rare for residents of the country. 36 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: But you know, maybe I'm just picking sexual sides here, 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: I guess anyway. Scott also testified that the twenty twenty 38 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: three hunt was a grand time, and that the couple 39 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: bagged a six thousand pounds hippopotamus, a cape buffalo, and 40 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: a crocodile on the twenty twenty five hunt. They were 41 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: supposed to go after elephants and leopards. So you know, 42 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: if that's your thing, I can understand how missing out 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: on that trip would add to your heartache. Scott has 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: pledged to appeal the ruling to a higher court, but 45 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that Nina will be the one 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: quarry that will always elude him. But for any of 47 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: you other ladies out there, sounds like, well, Scott's got 48 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: some cash. Those are high dollar hunts. Probably look him 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: up on the tinder machine. Okay, so your Brad Pitt. 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: This week we've got Massachusetts coal legislation and so much more. 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: But first I'm going to tell you about my week. 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: In My week was a bit frantic. I'll start with 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: the good part. First, duck hunting with my buddy Sean 54 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: and the Sacramento Valley. That was the weekend, the closest 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: thing now and I have the skinny ducks, the non 56 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: fat ducks, and the little shot up ducks from the 57 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: trip simmering in a gumbo right now that I'm dying 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: to get to. But first I got to talk to 59 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: you folks. That was a great time, great time. But 60 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: prior to that, I got pulled into the DC whirlwind 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: in a very formal way, testified in front of the 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Fish and Wildlife. The prelude 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: to the panel was a literal front row seat to 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: our new Fish and Wildlife Director Brian Nesvick's first testimony, 65 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: most of which was related to the pre Christmas order 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: he sent out regarding a full review of refuges and hatcheries, 67 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: which we covered two weeks ago, so fortunate timing. There. 68 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: We covered ESA, grizzly bears, and access and broad terms 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: on the panel I sat on. It was interesting and 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: live on c SPAN. Of course, I did get a 71 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: follow up question from the panel which will be written 72 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: and allow for a lot more detail than the testimony did. 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: Interesting experience, folks. Before this and after this. For the 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: next day and a half, we cruised all over Capitol Hill, 75 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: met with staff, reps, senators, appointees, and so much more. Honestly, 76 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: we were feeling pretty darn good about things, spreading the 77 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: word of public lands, waters and wildlife until like the 78 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: eleventh hour of my trip. So this is immediately following 79 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: the podcast you heard last week with the two founding 80 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: members of the Public Lands Caucus, Vasquez and Zinkie, we 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: got word that a vote was going to happen House 82 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Joint Resolution one forty, which of course already has happened 83 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: if you're paying attention, And as you know, the House 84 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: voted to rescind a mineral withdrawal in the Rainy River Watershed, 85 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: which will allow the permit process and eventual development of 86 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: a Chilean owned copper mind which, according to the Army 87 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: Corps of Engineers, has a likelihood of water contamination in 88 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: the National Forest, which houses about forty percent of cold 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: water in the entirety of the National Forest system that 90 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors is a kick to the schnuts. During 91 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: the last administration, the public comment period on this project 92 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: took in over six hundred and seventy five thousand comments, 93 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: most of which opposed the project. Since then, tens of 94 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: thousands of comments to representatives and senators, letters from sportsmen's groups, 95 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: outdoor businesses, science societies have been submitted, and still the 96 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: response from our representatives to rescind the mineral withdrawal through 97 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: the use of the Congressional Review Act, which, as we've 98 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: previously reported here, if it makes it through the Senate 99 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: and is signed by the President, that whole Resource Management 100 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Plan MP for the forest cannot be used again. Despite 101 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: the public process that created the RMP, using the best 102 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: available science and user groups at the table. All this 103 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: happened in five days Thursday to Wednesday. Who says government 104 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: is slow? Now? For listeners of the podcast, you may 105 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: recall that we had Julie Lucas of Mining Minnesota, the 106 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: actual Mining Trade Association, on this here podcast. I really 107 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: like Julie, felt her to be genuine, but my takeaways 108 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: have not changed. The Twin Metals project has a short lifespan, 109 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: a big footprint in a socially and environmentally sensitive area 110 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: which happens to be on our public lands. The mine's 111 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: next door, which are up and running with contracts already 112 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: in place, have multi generational potential i e. Lots of 113 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: jobs for a long time. It's in a different watershed, 114 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: and to my knowledge, copper does not go sour or 115 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: rot in the ground. We don't need it for our 116 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: country right now. Maybe there is a time when we 117 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: will and will be in a better place technologically to 118 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: make this project safer, or there will be a company 119 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: that has a better environmental track record that the American 120 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: people can get behind, which is why the people spoke 121 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: in the first place for the twenty year moratorium. So 122 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: what now, Well, we're not making any more of this 123 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: capital w wilderness. Cold clean water is a resource that 124 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: is only going to get higher in demand, and it's 125 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: on your public lands. You have a right to weigh in. 126 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: Call your senators, make the phone lines ring, tell them 127 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: this is the one instance we're doing nothing. Is the 128 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: middle ground, the radical middle It's not a total mineral withdrawal. 129 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: It's a twenty year moratorium. The risks are high on 130 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: this one. That's my take. Anyway, Moving on to crossbows. 131 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: This summer, we told you about a bill in New 132 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: York State that would have liberalized the bow hunting season 133 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: to include crossbows in addition to vertical bows. Well, Governor 134 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: Kathy Hochel signed the bill on August twenty seven, just 135 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: in time for it to go into effect for the 136 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five to twenty six hunting season, and the 137 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: first results of the change are now in According to 138 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: the New York DEEC over thirteen and a half thousand 139 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: hunters completed their Bow Hunter Education certification by December twenty 140 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: twenty five, almost twice as many as the previous year. 141 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: That increase happened with just four months of having the 142 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: crossbow law in effect. I can't wait to see what 143 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: will happen this year with a full twelve months of 144 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: expanded crossbow access. I won't go too far into my 145 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: reservations on crossbow hunting again, but for my mind to 146 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: be fully at ease with this change, I would also 147 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: want to see statistics for how many deer were shot 148 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: and at what distances. We'll get the former, but not 149 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: the latter. Every state's different. In fact, every county in 150 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: every state is at least in some way. So if 151 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: you have big hold ups on crossbows, it's another tool 152 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: in the tool belt. You could make an argument that 153 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: city folks have a real hard time being able to 154 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: practice with a vertical bow, and suburbs are overrun with 155 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: deer carrion, lyons disease, and if we can get some 156 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: of these city folks on board with some of this 157 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: hunting stuff, maybe we'll win some of these political battles 158 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: a little more easily, or maybe we'll learn that crossbow 159 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: hunting's too easy, too effective, and we're taking a bigger 160 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: bite out of the sustainable harvest than we wanted to. 161 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: Time will tell. Now. If you were a new hunter 162 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: in New York State and are curious about this crossbow situation, 163 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: it's worth checking out Kinfolk Hunting Collective, New York BHA, 164 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: and the New York Crossbow Coalition for getting this one done. 165 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: Those organizations were at table working on the nuances of 166 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: this new hunting opportunity in New York State. Moving slightly 167 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: over on the East Coast, the Massachusetts Hunting listening sessions 168 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: are kicking off. Mass Wildlife is holding a series of 169 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: listening sessions in January and February to hear from citizens 170 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: about various measures to expand hunting access. First up, it's 171 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: currently completely against the law in Massachusetts to hunt with 172 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: a crossbow unless you have a permanent disability. For all 173 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: the reasons I mentioned earlier, changing this law would be 174 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: a major win for hunter recruitment. Next, Massachusetts in Maine 175 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: are the only two states left that have a total 176 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: ban on Sunday hunting. We all celebrated recently when Pennsylvania 177 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: finally allowed unrestricted hunting on Sundays, but the Keystone State 178 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: had already enjoyed a fair number of hunting opportunity on 179 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: the Lord's Day, so let's get this one changed in 180 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: Massachusetts too. I know New Englanders love a good rivalry, 181 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: so Bay State, don't let Maine be it of punch. 182 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: There have been thirty nine attempts in the last forty 183 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: five years to pass Sunday hunting in Maine, including a 184 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: new one that might have legs, so don't sleep. Finally, 185 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: Massachusetts prohibits hunting within five hundred feet of a dwelling 186 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: and within one hundred and fifty feet of a road, 187 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: much more than surrounding states, making many accessible hunting spots 188 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: off limits. All of these changes would require laws to 189 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: be passed by the legislature, so mass Wildlife is hoping 190 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: to collect together all the comments from these sessions to 191 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: lobby lawmakers to pass these laws. So get to these 192 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: meetings and make a lot of noise on these issues. 193 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: We've seen that there's a momentum to modernize hunting access, 194 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: but lawmakers only do what their constituents tell them to do. 195 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: We'll post information on the sessions on the cal to 196 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: Action site at the Meat eater dot com or google 197 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: Mass Wildlife Listening Sessions and you'll find it. Another one 198 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: is setbacks, which is currently arch is lumped in with 199 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: the shotguns as far as how far away you have 200 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: to be from a dwelling. They want to hear your 201 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: opinion on separating archery equipment from firearm equipment. By adjusting 202 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: that setback to allow archers to hunt closer to dwellings, 203 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: you actually add an incredible amount of real estate huntable 204 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: real estate in the state of Massachusetts. So again, slap 205 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: a Google on Mass Wildlife Listening Sessions or head on 206 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: over to the CALTA Action part of the website. Jumping 207 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: over to the legislative desk. A few weeks ago, I 208 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: told you about Missouri's plan to scale back its fight 209 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: against CWD, but not all states are adopting the same strategy. 210 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: Just last week, the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries 211 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: declared a state of emergency in response to a positive 212 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: case of chronic wasting disease in a hunter harvested deer. 213 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: The deer was shot in Concordia Parish, which means an 214 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: enhanced mitigation zone has been created in Concordia in the 215 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: neighboring Catahoula Parish. The zone also extends into avoils. Whoo, boy, 216 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: I need some help with this one, Louisiana folks, go 217 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: ahead and right in askca l at the meeater dot 218 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: com avoil us A v O y E l e 219 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: s voyees boy, I'm digging myself a hole la sale 220 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: point coup then rapidness parishes. What does this mean for 221 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: deer hunters? Well, effective February one of this year, baiting 222 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: deer is banned within that zone. The delay is to 223 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: allow hunters to use the remainder of the feed they 224 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: have in their feeders. Hunters are prohibited from removing deer 225 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: carcasses from that area. The emergency declaration is in place 226 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: for one hundred and eighty days to give the Louisiana 227 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: Wildlife and Fisheries Commission the chance to finalize the management zone. 228 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: The public will have a chance to comment on that decision, 229 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: so be on the lookout for an announcement from the Commission. 230 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: This isn't the first case of CWD in the Pelican State. 231 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: There have actually been forty nine confirmed cases, but all 232 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: except this one and one other we're in the same 233 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: parish in the northeastern part of the state. The fact 234 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: that another case has been detected outside that parish is 235 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: caused for concern, which is why the Wildlife Department is 236 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: acting so quickly and decisively. Speaking of deer bating, a 237 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: bill is moving forward in the Michigan legislature that would 238 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: allow hunters to set out bait for deer during open 239 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: hunting seasons. House Bill four four four five past the 240 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: House Natural Resources and Tourism Committee on December seventeen and 241 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: is awaiting a vote on the House floor. Supporters of 242 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: the bill include some hunters, most famously Teddy Nuggets aka 243 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: the Motor City Madman aka the Nuge aka Uncle Ted 244 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: ted Nujump. He's from the Michigan state but now lives 245 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: in Texas. Farmers also support the bill because they say 246 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: making it easier for hunters to kill deer will help 247 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: con roll the population and reduced crop damage. Opponents point 248 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: out that encouraging deer to congregate around feeders will increase 249 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the spread of CWD. They also worry about state legislator's 250 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: co opting management decisions that should be made by the 251 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: biologists and wildlife managers in the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. 252 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: This bill is not being backed by the Michigan DNR, 253 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: as that agency is also concerned about the spread of CWD. 254 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: The state legislature passed a similar bill all the way 255 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, thanks in part to a fiery 256 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: lobbying effort from well aka, you know who I'm talking about. 257 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: The bill was vetoed by Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who is 258 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: still living in the Governor's mansion. She hasn't said publicly 259 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: whether she plans to do the same this time around, 260 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: but I don't see any reason to think otherwise. Whichever 261 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: side of this controversy you fall on, be sure to 262 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: get in touch with your reps and let them know 263 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: what you think. Yet another controversial piece of deer hunting 264 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: legislation is being considered in Kentucky. Listener Ethan Pugh sent 265 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: me Kentucky key House Bill one for two, which would 266 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: increase the number of deer permits available to landowners and 267 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: their spouse's children and agents. Specifically, the bill would require 268 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources to issue 269 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: a minimum of five deer destruction permits to landowners whose 270 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: property has been damaged by deer. These permits are valid 271 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: for two years and allow the holder to kill deer 272 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: outside the designated hunting seasons. Landowners would also be able 273 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: to request an additional buck tag if they can prove 274 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: they've shot three antlerless deer during that same season. Finally, 275 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: House Bill one two would allow anyone with a hunting 276 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: license to take an antlerless deer with any legal weapon 277 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: for a period of ten days after the conclusion of 278 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: the muzzleloder season in December. This bill is clearly designed 279 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: to help landowners mitigate property damage by killing more deer, 280 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: but as Ethan pointed out, a better solution might be 281 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: to incentivize property owners to allow more public hunting on 282 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: their land. The state's Chapter of Hunters for the Hungry 283 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: already he runs a program in Kentucky called Kentucky Whitetail Access. 284 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: This initiative matches landowners with hunters and joining is as 285 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: simple as emailing Ky Hunters for the Hungary at gmail 286 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: dot com. That's a great initiative, but it sounds like 287 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: landowners are still having trouble. Maybe, as Ethan suggests, the 288 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: legislatures should work with the Department of Fish and Wildlife 289 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: to increase awareness of that program rather than circumvent the 290 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: agency to hand out more permits to landowners. To his credit, 291 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: Ethan hasn't just been sitting on the sideline. He told me. 292 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: He contacted one of the bill's sponsors, Rep. Myron Dosset. 293 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Ethan expressed his concerns about the bill and said Rep. 294 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: Dosset sounded sympathetic. Dawst even said he planned to remove 295 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: the extra buck tag provision and would also be reconsidering 296 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: dough harvest in areas below the population goal line. That's 297 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: a great start and an awesome example of how to 298 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: speak up. If we all had that attitude, we could 299 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: change things for the better. Big Ataboid to Ethan and 300 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: to everyone else who calls and writes their reps. This 301 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: legislative season, animal rights groups are once again moving in 302 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: Oregon to pass a ballot initiative that would ban all 303 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: hunting and fishing in the state. The initiative is creatively 304 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: titled the People for the Elimination of Animal Cruelty Exemption 305 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: Act or the Peace Act. It would remove exceptions for 306 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: hunters and anglers in animal cruelty laws, which would criminalize 307 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: any act that injures or kills an animal. Would also 308 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: remove various exceptions for farmers and ranchers, which would pretty 309 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: much outlaw raising livestock for meat. Given these serious, wide 310 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: ranging impacts, you might assume the group pushing this initiative 311 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: would have convincing, well reasoned responses to objections from hunters 312 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: and ranchers. Well, you'd be wrong. To hunters who worry 313 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: about losing access to food, recreation and conservation dollars, they 314 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: say this quote. Within the state of Oregon, we have 315 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: ample food as well as the resources needed to distribute 316 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: that food to every citizen. There are also a multitude 317 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: of humane and creative methods for conserving our environment, and 318 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: in a state as wonderful as Oregon, there are countless 319 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: activities we can engage in for recreation that do not 320 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: involve taking the life of an animal. But who wants 321 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: to do those? You might also assume that this resolution 322 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: has no chance of becoming law, given how many industries 323 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: and individuals would be impacted in that you might be 324 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: wrong as well. Longtime listeners of cows we can review 325 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: know that this initiative has been introduced before and it 326 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: failed to get on the ballot, but the Oregon Hunter's 327 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: Association reports that the petition has already secured ninety thousand signatures. 328 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: This means it only needs another thirty thousand signatures by 329 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: July to get on November's ballot, which the OHA thinks 330 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: is likely. Of course, a majority of Oregonians will still 331 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: have to vote for this insanity before it becomes law, 332 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: but I'd say even being on the ballot is too 333 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: close for comfort. If you live in Oregon, be sure 334 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: to let your family, friends, and neighbors know to vote 335 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: no on this initiative in November. Its official number is 336 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: IP twenty eight. You can read it for yourself Oregon 337 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: Initiative Petition twenty eight. And remember ask questions, pointed questions 338 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: when those kids in the clipboards come up on the street. 339 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: Another call to action for listeners in Wisconsin, a bill 340 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: to establish a fall sand hill crane hunt is stuck 341 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: in committee right now and may die there, so calling 342 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: your reps now can help get it to a vote 343 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: this time. Opponents of the hunt worry that the population 344 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: can't take any hunting pressure, but one hundred and ten 345 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: thousand sand hill cranes visit Wisconsin every year, a number 346 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: that exceeds the flyway goal established by US Fish and 347 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: Wildlife by two to three times, and the population is 348 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: growing at an estimated four percent per year. Opponents also 349 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: worry that cranes are an especially vulnerable species, with a 350 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: lower reproduction rate than other birds and potentially at risk 351 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: for avian fluid and other maladies. The parameters of the 352 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: hunt recommended by US Fish and Wildlife take these factors 353 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: into account. Avian flu has only affected a tiny part 354 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: of the overall crane population, and the season can be 355 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: immediately suspended if a flu outbreak were to happen, and 356 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: it's not likely these cranes are completely protected as it is. 357 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: Fourteen hundred cranes were killed last year under depredation permits 358 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: to protect farmer's crops, but because use of the animal 359 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: isn't allowed under depredation permits, the birds were just left 360 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: to rot in the field. And even with that cull, 361 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: crane depredation still cost Wisconsin farmers four million dollars last year. 362 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has put together an excellent explainer 363 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: on this issue, and one thing that I didn't know 364 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: that I'm taking from that guide. The Wisconsin Constitution guarantees 365 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: the right to hunt harvest game quote, subject only to 366 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: reasonable restrictions in law unquote. Reasonable restrictions in this case 367 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: don't apply because this bird has won far surpassed federal population. 368 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: Goes two is causing millions and ns agricultural damage, and 369 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: three is a recognized game bird hundred and seventeen states 370 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: and five provinces under a federal management regime that has 371 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: protected a thriving continental population. So even from a constitutional 372 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: point of view, this is a hunt whose time has come. 373 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: So all you badgers call your state reps and voice 374 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: your support for SB one one two. This bill is 375 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: still in committee and at risk of dying there, so 376 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: the more reps who ask for it to come to 377 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: a vote, the better. We'll post this one at the 378 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: meaeater dot com forward slash cal as well. You can 379 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: find it there. Fecundity right, Cranes are a little fecundity species. 380 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: It takes them a few years to get up to 381 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: like real reproductive kicking butt, which we all know the 382 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: fun is in the trying, but not when your population 383 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: is at risk. Cranes are an incredible species. I don't 384 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: want to gloss over the fact that we do need 385 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: to pay attention, but we've proven time and time time 386 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: again that we can keep populations growing and have sustainable harvest. 387 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: It's a darn tasty bird, and one of the things 388 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: that can get overlooked by the non hunting public is 389 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: boy most of the time. If folks get involved with 390 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: hunting things, they're really involved with making sure they stick 391 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: around at harvestable levels. Moving over to the coal ash desk, 392 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: coal ash contains mercury and arsenic. Normally, this waste would 393 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: have to be dumped into lined pits that prevent toxic 394 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: chemicals from seeping into the ground. But in twenty twenty 395 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: the last Trump administration, a rule exempted coal plants from 396 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: the requirement of having to dump coal ash into lined 397 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: pits if they plant to shutter by October seventeen, twenty 398 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: twenty eight. Now they've issued a rule that extended that 399 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: deadline by three years until twenty thirty one. Administration officials 400 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: argue that the exemption are necessary to meet the country's 401 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: demands for energy, especially with the rise of artificial intelligence 402 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: and the data centers that operate. Opponents, especially those who 403 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: live near these online pits, worry that water supplies will 404 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: be tainted by toxins soaking into the ground. Moving on 405 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: to the crime desk, an infamous West Virginia angler, known 406 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: to his critics as treble hook Trent, appears to be 407 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: getting his just desserts. Listener James Britton sent me an 408 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: email with links to Facebook posts showing a fellow named 409 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Trenton mullenex holding several enormous trout. Trenton has made a 410 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: name for himself catching these fish every year in the 411 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: small streams and ponds of West Virginia. As is often 412 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: the case when a hunter angler has yearly success, he's 413 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: gained following up critics. These commenters fall into two camps. 414 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: Some accuse him of knowing where the West Virginia Division 415 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: of Natural Resources stocks the big fish. The DNR stocks 416 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: have select few of these monsters every year, and James 417 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: tells me most anglers dream there lives of catching just one. Meanwhile, 418 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 1: old Trent managed to hook into three lunkers within the 419 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: first two days of this year's trout season. Other commentors 420 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: accused Trent of pulling off a snag and grab. They 421 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: said Trent uses treble hooks to snag big trout rather 422 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: than catching them on a legal hook. We still don't 423 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: know the details of what happened, and I'll reiterate here 424 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: that in this country, everyone, including West Virginia fishermen, are 425 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: innocent until proven guilty. But after the firestorm on Facebook 426 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: last week, it seems like game Wardens started taking a 427 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: closer look at treble hook Trent. He was charged on 428 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: January eighth with one count of snag and fish in 429 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: one count of obstructing an officer. There's no word yet 430 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: on when he'll appear in Magistrate Court of Pendleton County, 431 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: but if there's any updates, we'll get them to you. 432 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. That's all we got this week. 433 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Remember to write in ask c Al that's Askcal at 434 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: the Meat Eater dot com. Let me know what's going 435 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: on in your neck the woods. We appreciate it. Thanks again, 436 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: Talk to you next week. M m HM.