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Speaker 1: even out of even out of it's because the people
Speaker 1: ain't sucking with him, and he says fuck y'all and says,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it my way, and I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be my own engineer, I'm gonna be my own fucking producer,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write my own raps, I'm gonna do my
Speaker 1: own hooks, And he actually goes out there and he
Speaker 1: works and then he turns around and say fuck y'all
Speaker 1: because it worked, and he has flat them singles and
Speaker 1: gold records. And the thing is, so many people want to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, call them my arrogant person or cocky person.
Speaker 1: But the thing is when you have the accolades or
Speaker 1: the things to back it up, sometimes it's just being
Speaker 1: facts sometimes speaking. So if you people don't understand, I
Speaker 1: don't understand Independent Ground, don't understand who we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're talking about one other than Russ made some other. Now,
Speaker 1: I was very interested in your story from the beginning
Speaker 1: because of your relentless uh work ethic. Now, I went
Speaker 1: a Google and they said that you were starting out
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. When we started messing with
Speaker 1: the music, it was it was like, oh six, I
Speaker 1: was like fourteen, freshman in high school, just making Beast
Speaker 1: got me. Before that, I was I was five seven,
Speaker 1: whatever the funk. I was listening to fifty and Eminem
Speaker 1: and like writing. I remember writing raps from the perspective
Speaker 1: that I was from Queens just because like, so you're
Speaker 1: living in Georgia, I know you from at that time,
Speaker 1: I was living in North Carolina. So we moved around,
Speaker 1: moving around. Yeah, so we moved around, But um, I
Speaker 1: just always feel like I knew who I was before
Speaker 1: I knew who I was, Like the bug bade me
Speaker 1: before I knew that it did me. Like, why why
Speaker 1: else is a seven year old standing on his mental
Speaker 1: piece performing rap seats writing from the perspective of like
Speaker 1: queens if for no other reason than like I think
Speaker 1: he just really function that ship, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because that's like the first time that was starting fire.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, why else do you do ship when
Speaker 1: your seven other than for the genuine love of the ship.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of always in my life. But yeah,
Speaker 1: four teens when I started like making beasts, so what
Speaker 1: are the wait, wait, what are the artists you're saying
Speaker 1: that you're listening to it that time? At that time, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was just g unit heavy. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the fucking fifty and the whole bead from Mercy ship
Speaker 1: like Dre's why I started even getting like interested in production,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know what it was though?
Speaker 1: Two was my parents always had like music and speakers
Speaker 1: and everything. My my dad was very musical. His father
Speaker 1: taught me guitar and ship rest in peace pop up.
Speaker 1: So like, there was always a musical family. Uh, my mom,
Speaker 1: So your father's father was in the music. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he played. He played guitar for like eighty years. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what my part me. But that's my grandfather
Speaker 1: said to me every time you see me, you know
Speaker 1: where your talent comes from? Like, well, you know what
Speaker 1: he says, like my dick, like my grandfather before you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn. He's like yeah yeah, he's like, well
Speaker 1: he didn't say no English. He'd be like, your ball
Speaker 1: don't got no talent. But I'm sorry, yeah, you're good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not so my dad's dad was like just very artistic.
Speaker 1: And then my mom's grandma played the organ for mafia
Speaker 1: weddings and ship like that. All right, there was always
Speaker 1: music in the family. It's not because you're Sicilian. It
Speaker 1: was my field weddings. No, at every Sicilian I haven't man,
Speaker 1: I got along with I don't know. I guess it's
Speaker 1: because my last name is Sicilian, so I'm part of Sicilian.
Speaker 1: I like that. How do you how do you say
Speaker 1: your last names? I'm just saying my last name is
Speaker 1: not Si. You're Cuban, okay. But according to Sicilians. It's
Speaker 1: not Chandy, is it two sees? Well, maybe it's because
Speaker 1: child's two sees something that depending on that no Italian
Speaker 1: that you got sis on it. So now so now
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Speaker 1: So listen, do you come from my era? I didn't
Speaker 1: even I don't want to cut you off, but to
Speaker 1: really make that, to drive that point home what it was.
Speaker 1: They had the music in the house, so its mom's
Speaker 1: and papers, and it was how green and it was
Speaker 1: earth winning fire and it was all this musical ship
Speaker 1: that I was getting introduced to. And so I feel
Speaker 1: like I always feel like the natural segue the reason
Speaker 1: why it was so naturally start listening to g Unit
Speaker 1: because people don't understand that. Yeah, because fifty eminem actually
Speaker 1: wildly melodic. I've never heard a fifty verse where he's
Speaker 1: not in the pocket. Is this why you became a
Speaker 1: melodic artist? As we well, Yeah, the inception of the
Speaker 1: hip hop bug that bit Me was based off of
Speaker 1: a melodic introduction. So me like, fifty wildly wake up
Speaker 1: earlier in the morning because everything is like a it's
Speaker 1: a whole cadence and him like this' relody to it
Speaker 1: because to me, I feel like, I feel like you've
Speaker 1: got Drake, you got Eminem, and you got Kanye, and
Speaker 1: you like if you made I agree and made a
Speaker 1: superhuman I mean, if they together and made a Sicilian,
Speaker 1: you know, the Godfather, because you have have every one
Speaker 1: of their traits. Like you you're crazy, like in a
Speaker 1: good way and a bad way. Then you're Eminem with
Speaker 1: the shop value, and then um, Kanye is because again
Speaker 1: it's just it's just out of this world. Like your
Speaker 1: music sometimes you can go like it's it's ahead, ahead
Speaker 1: of time. That's what the reason why I feel like
Speaker 1: in certain ways like you misunderstood is because you're in
Speaker 1: twenty four. You're like you're you're so you're still ahead.
Speaker 1: It's like it's gonna come off a little bit a
Speaker 1: little bit weird. Because you're advanced, you are more advanced.
Speaker 1: Like if you have a scene like, um, the kid
Speaker 1: that's in the behavior cat class and he's in the
Speaker 1: resource room and he's a special had and then he said,
Speaker 1: but why are you especially a He almost always says
Speaker 1: behavior because no one says I'm stupid, right, So it's
Speaker 1: just almost like that. It's like you're ahead, You're you're
Speaker 1: so far ahead of this other classes that everybody don't
Speaker 1: want to admit that we might be kind of stupid.
Speaker 1: I like, you know, it's so amazing. Is that like
Speaker 1: if I say that, which I have, right, But if
Speaker 1: I say that, that's when it comes off. That's what
Speaker 1: drink champ. I appreciate you, but I appreciate you even
Speaker 1: having that perspective. But it's also in thinkative of how
Speaker 1: insecure the consumer is in society. Is is that if
Speaker 1: I choose to pick up myself, it's a problem. But
Speaker 1: if you say the exact same thing about me that
Speaker 1: I would say about myself, then it's okay, which which
Speaker 1: I always say, is like, so y'all just want to
Speaker 1: control my confidence. You can't have self confidence. I can't
Speaker 1: be confident till you tell me I can be confident
Speaker 1: that it's okay. One of my favorite moments is we
Speaker 1: come from an era of trolling. Right now, whether you
Speaker 1: were trolling or not, you wanted to make a statement
Speaker 1: with the T shirt. Now where was this at? Just
Speaker 1: what okay? D And how long ago was this? September?
Speaker 1: Seen always remember dates even I'm like just checking after it.
Speaker 1: I literally think it was seven years ago September Break
Speaker 1: It Down Festival. Yes, your backstage, all the artists kind
Speaker 1: of see you. Yeah, because you don't want any were
Speaker 1: your batage with each other. All the artists come down,
Speaker 1: everyone sees each other, so you go on stage and
Speaker 1: that's where No, it went viral when after the show
Speaker 1: I posted it on Instagram the performance just like a
Speaker 1: picture of me in the shirt. First of all, the
Speaker 1: inspiration for that came from my j D thousand when
Speaker 1: he was rocking those all black jumpsuits, just things on him.
Speaker 1: I was like, he did that, I think so, but
Speaker 1: it was I was like, man, that's a really cool
Speaker 1: way to say something without saying anything. Because if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be on stage and have a platform, let me
Speaker 1: just put them on my shirt. So I had like
Speaker 1: a bunch of shirts lined up that me and kids
Speaker 1: super we're like creating my homie from Brooklyn. But um
Speaker 1: so that was one of them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And what was what was hilarious about that was that
Speaker 1: I was targeting the white kids in the suburbs who
Speaker 1: are doing that type of ship because for no other reason,
Speaker 1: then they heard it in a song and they think
Speaker 1: that that's cool or whatever. And so you tried this
Speaker 1: while the addictive drug for the sake of trying to
Speaker 1: fit into a lifestyle you're not even you don't have
Speaker 1: any business trying to fit into. And oftentimes you try
Speaker 1: to fit into a lifestyle that a rapper is given
Speaker 1: to you, and he's not even really living lifestyle exactly.
Speaker 1: So now you're geting addicted to those drugs and now
Speaker 1: you're addicted, but you're addicted off of being impressionable to
Speaker 1: artists that you shouldn't be idolizing like that Future didn't
Speaker 1: use drugs for three years and he was making that
Speaker 1: type of music. It did nothing for me because I
Speaker 1: don't I didn't buy into it in the first place.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the entertainment industry, Like if
Speaker 1: these rappers were doing but I never thought he got
Speaker 1: that hot either. But it's like, I love but what
Speaker 1: was the black now? But thinking about it's like if
Speaker 1: these rappers were doing the drugs that they were saying
Speaker 1: they were doing, they wouldn't have a career like you
Speaker 1: see the ones that do it and the Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the futures fired to I didn't buy into it,
Speaker 1: so it didn't affect me. I was just kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: when I really think that he was doing what was
Speaker 1: the backlash to that picture? And they thought they thought
Speaker 1: that we kind of know, but they thought that I
Speaker 1: was making a joke in ridiculing addicts, like you don't
Speaker 1: know it's a disease. I said, no, I know, it's
Speaker 1: a disease. Y'all keep overlooking chapter one though, you want
Speaker 1: to go to chapter two and say, well he's addicted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now he is nobody talking about the cause when you
Speaker 1: go to chapter one and talk about why these mothers
Speaker 1: are And I was not talking about the people who
Speaker 1: have PTSD literally PTSD from being in uh poverty stricken
Speaker 1: places and dealing with funked up ship and traumatizing events.
Speaker 1: I'm'm talking about those people. I was talking about the
Speaker 1: white kids in the suburbs. And why do I know that?
Speaker 1: Because I grew up with them and I went to
Speaker 1: college with them for a year, and I had a
Speaker 1: best friend who we would go to the party and
Speaker 1: he'd be like, yo, you think I should snort this
Speaker 1: or pop? And I would be like no. I was
Speaker 1: his crunch of reality, Like what are you talking about? No?
Speaker 1: In short thing when I left school, He's addicted to
Speaker 1: Opius and then Heroin and Roxy's the whole ship. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm talking about those kids who literally have
Speaker 1: no reason to be doing it other than it's the
Speaker 1: thing to do. I'm talking about the PTSD people who
Speaker 1: like need serious help. I'm not talking about y'all, And honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about chapter one. Y'all want to keep saying
Speaker 1: addiction is a disease. Yes, can y'all go to chapter one?
Speaker 1: Why did you pick it up in the first place?
Speaker 1: Tell me really, why no one wants it? No one
Speaker 1: wants to say, Well, tell me really why that's always
Speaker 1: that it's like Heroin but pills. I think I think
Speaker 1: that's what it could be. There's so many versions of
Speaker 1: these pills. I'm glad I'm not in that world, but
Speaker 1: I think that that's a conversation that needs to be had,
Speaker 1: Like people need to start getting to the root of
Speaker 1: the issue. Everyone wants to just say they want to
Speaker 1: skip over that and say, well, is addicted to disease.
Speaker 1: He needs help. Yeah, but like to prevent it again
Speaker 1: from happening, why don't we get to why he did
Speaker 1: it in the first place? And like that's all Like
Speaker 1: was my approach harsh? But honestly, yes, for sure. Oh
Speaker 1: and then there was there was tweets that like why
Speaker 1: I was saying need lean right like twelve and I've
Speaker 1: never addressed this right, So people try to pull that
Speaker 1: out like you're like, people think that I was an attic,
Speaker 1: Like you're an at it just like yo, y'all are
Speaker 1: fucking insane. Um, what it was is that it was
Speaker 1: something like that, uh me, my homie went in the studio,
Speaker 1: was faded. Uh we're broke, we're off, And we're like,
Speaker 1: man that it sounds funn Yeah, We're like, you know,
Speaker 1: because it was just like it was in future and
Speaker 1: honestly was future and all these people and we're like, man,
Speaker 1: that just sounds that just sounds finn Okay, y'all who
Speaker 1: got to leave in Atlanta. We never end up finding
Speaker 1: it though, and honestly, honestly, honestly, you know what, was
Speaker 1: crazy and shout out to my fucking homie to call
Speaker 1: my homies. This is weird because he's way older than me,
Speaker 1: like an o G. But we knew he would have it,
Speaker 1: so we went to him. It's actually I've never told
Speaker 1: this story. So we went to him. We pulled up
Speaker 1: on him because we're like, yo, we want to try
Speaker 1: to leave, right. We go to him and he's like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get that for you. Like yah, man,
Speaker 1: what age nineteen nineteen something like that. He's a real
Speaker 1: nig after supposed to be able to get you drugs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's how you know, like now he was actually
Speaker 1: on something like yo, yeah, like here's some weeds, because
Speaker 1: I would think he was, but I've never I've never
Speaker 1: told that story. But that's also how I know, Like
Speaker 1: I know it's about being impressionable because I once was impressionable,
Speaker 1: where like me and my homies were like, yo, hold on,
Speaker 1: like fuck it, you're sitting around, you're broke, you're in
Speaker 1: the basement in the studio. I'm talking about foregr followers
Speaker 1: like you're just broke and you're like, fucking man, maybe
Speaker 1: that should might make the music be I like. And
Speaker 1: so the curiosity, I know people did that for sure,
Speaker 1: and the curiosities takes you to the place for like, yo,
Speaker 1: let me like look into that. But then luckily, like
Speaker 1: I had, you know, a big homie was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not even I'm not even getting after you all. And
Speaker 1: then honestly, once I went to sleep and woke up,
Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, I'm done. Why what then am I?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I don't really know better
Speaker 1: because you know, I do get I don't drunk sometimes,
Speaker 1: but when I see these kids on Instagram at three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon and they're just leaning and spit
Speaker 1: coming out of the mouths, it concerns me, like as
Speaker 1: an older person, you know what I'm saying, and I
Speaker 1: know that. The thing about it is, I have to
Speaker 1: be careful of what I say to these kids because
Speaker 1: whatever you say, if if if I say something, they
Speaker 1: can react back and they say they can always say
Speaker 1: they always say fuck you, old head. And I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be called old. Gonna squeeze, you know,
Speaker 1: old is a compliment. I'm trying to say so I
Speaker 1: because I heard you say this. It was like a
Speaker 1: Charles Waffie thing on one part of me. Once the
Speaker 1: one million percent agree with you and say point out
Speaker 1: to each of every one of them, I got pointed
Speaker 1: out that I didn't think Future was getting high like
Speaker 1: that on Sway Show, and then it was like he
Speaker 1: kind of he kind of said that like the next
Speaker 1: three weeks after that. But anyway, what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is for certain certain things, I do feel like
Speaker 1: I got a responsibility. Like if I see I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I should do it publicly, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I should reach out seeking one of the dudes
Speaker 1: they was on Instagram. But then there's a part of
Speaker 1: me that says, this dude don't even know who the
Speaker 1: funk I am. This call might not even be taken
Speaker 1: as a respect call. This call might be be taken
Speaker 1: as to let that because if you ain't on my
Speaker 1: mom my playing failed like sometimes me um trying to
Speaker 1: give you advice comes across as me trying to check you,
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to check you. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to tell you I've been through this. I've been through
Speaker 1: through my father, through my family being addicted to heroin.
Speaker 1: Lean is the same exact thing. So we we had
Speaker 1: a whole we had a whole campaign against Lean at
Speaker 1: one point, and it was real because we also allow
Speaker 1: Young Dolph to come up here and we let him
Speaker 1: get high right in front of us, so we're just there.
Speaker 1: We've had Yeah, it wasn't just young Dog. We've had
Speaker 1: a cop. And then the other thing that we we
Speaker 1: I think we skip over sometimes is and tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Lean didn't start with future. These guys M.
Speaker 1: D J. Screwing and my dog, but they didn't know
Speaker 1: how lethal it was. We didn't know to Pipsie. Right
Speaker 1: after Pipsie then knew because nobody was telling them, hey guys,
Speaker 1: that's sucking Harold. So then that ship went. That ship
Speaker 1: went mainstream with Little Wayne. Yeah, with the Caesar or
Speaker 1: was that just Lean went mainstream? Okay? Little Wayne? That
Speaker 1: was just like a Little Wayne is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite rappers ever. But like, like that's the thing you
Speaker 1: are looking currently at a rapking. That is a bunch
Speaker 1: of babies of Little Wayne. From the face tasks to
Speaker 1: the Dazzle, It's all a bunch of little wands. Look
Speaker 1: at every one of these little twenty one year olds.
Speaker 1: It's all little Wayne wannabes. That's why it's like, no,
Speaker 1: just go to the real thing. H y'all are like
Speaker 1: y'all live a little Wayne Free himself of Lean as well,
Speaker 1: probably did. But like that's like, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: currently though I'm saying I think, I'm hopefully sure. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but like he said, hopefully yeah. My other
Speaker 1: thing too, is that it's it's one thing to say
Speaker 1: I have a problem, I'm indicted. It's sucked up. That's
Speaker 1: one thing. And I like and I hear you and
Speaker 1: that's sucked up. It's a whole another thing when you start,
Speaker 1: uh using substance abuse as a marketing tool, When you
Speaker 1: start when your merch is a Lean bottle on it,
Speaker 1: or when you post on the ground look at me
Speaker 1: smiling next to lean, It's like, bro, like, I'm not stupid.
Speaker 1: You can fool the ten year olds and the twelve
Speaker 1: yeards that follow you, but you know that you posting
Speaker 1: a picture with four Lean bottles smiling is going to
Speaker 1: get more likes. Then your song does spin that somewhere
Speaker 1: else before and reality, that's one thing you're right with
Speaker 1: an other thing is lean is so expensive? Ye, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I think they're flooring and as a show
Speaker 1: of wealth, well, that's even worse. You are flexing all
Speaker 1: the things that wealth and hip hop to me have degraded.
Speaker 1: But I just think like because at that point, well,
Speaker 1: and then I have a problem with the people that
Speaker 1: do that and then try and say that they care
Speaker 1: about the youth, like I'm helping them. It's like, no, bro,
Speaker 1: because if you know anything about kids, it is uh,
Speaker 1: I do as you do, not as you say. Everyone.
Speaker 1: You don't have a time to show everyone, you know,
Speaker 1: it would happen like I would come home with hickies, right,
Speaker 1: I would come home with I was sixteen seventeen, come
Speaker 1: home with higgies, and my dad would get super piste
Speaker 1: because I have a younger sister, and so he was like,
Speaker 1: you can't tell her. Now, maybe it's extreme, but whatever
Speaker 1: it is is an analogy for the sake of the conversation.
Speaker 1: But he would say, you can't tell her do as
Speaker 1: I say, not as I do, because it's just not
Speaker 1: how it works. So I learned that from an early age,
Speaker 1: just with that always stuck in my head and to
Speaker 1: try to apply it like I can't. I can't say
Speaker 1: don't do uh oh, I care about the kids and whatever,
Speaker 1: and yeah, man, y'all can't be doing drugs. That's just
Speaker 1: gonna suck you up. Stay off the ship. Here I
Speaker 1: am with lean and buy my T shirt with leaning
Speaker 1: my face on it, like y'all. Look, y'all are ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's how I know you don't actually give a funk.
Speaker 1: Your actions tell me you don't give a funk, like
Speaker 1: you can say it all day long. But I'm not slow.
Speaker 1: These people might be slow and I'm not. I'm just
Speaker 1: not the one to keep my mouth close about it.
Speaker 1: And if that makes me the bad guy for calling
Speaker 1: out dumb ship, so be it, because that's true. But
Speaker 1: it's like, and y'all have no that has no longevity anyway,
Speaker 1: fake should never last. And that's how first of all,
Speaker 1: that lifestyle has no longevity. Being a drug addict has
Speaker 1: no longevity period and let alone as a career, let alone,
Speaker 1: that's just like, that's all you have to offer. And
Speaker 1: that and I feel like what's crazy to even segue
Speaker 1: is you look at uh absolutely untimely tragic death of
Speaker 1: a nipsey Hustle. They kind of put like, I've been
Speaker 1: a psychotic fan of Nipsey Hustle for right there, because
Speaker 1: you know what's the crazy ship? When I google you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: most of the time you did interviews was right after
Speaker 1: mac Miller's death. So know what I'm saying is like
Speaker 1: like when I looked at the timeline, you know the timelines,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of interviews that popped up. It
Speaker 1: was actually about mac Miller's death. So I was wonderment.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, became and now this is after
Speaker 1: nip Yeah, and like I'm a really huge, huge fan
Speaker 1: of Nipsy and I have been for since I heard
Speaker 1: the marathon in December twenty time when it came out.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, type of ship. But when
Speaker 1: you when you have a death like that, it kind
Speaker 1: of puts it on perspective because it's very like that
Speaker 1: was the real it was the first thing you thought about.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe it. I woke up because my
Speaker 1: sleep schedules fucked, so I was asleep and my mom
Speaker 1: knew how much I funk with him, so she called
Speaker 1: my manager to like go wake like wake him up.
Speaker 1: So I woke up to like fifty group taxing all
Speaker 1: these and I'm like, what the like, there's no way,
Speaker 1: there's no way, Um, but that ship I was. I
Speaker 1: cried every day for a fucking week for a week
Speaker 1: straight because it's a it's Nancy never had a top
Speaker 1: ten Billboard hit, Nipsy never had Uh. Nipsey did more
Speaker 1: albums the week he died, and he didn't when he
Speaker 1: dropped it. And the first week numbers when he was
Speaker 1: alive didn't match the first week numbers when he died,
Speaker 1: and he deserves all this love and more and and
Speaker 1: the and the reality is that, um, what it goes
Speaker 1: to shows that numbers don't reflect impact. That's why I
Speaker 1: said that when I treated it whenever, But because Nincy
Speaker 1: didn't have the top ten hits or whatever, but look
Speaker 1: at the impact. Why because he was saying same ship,
Speaker 1: Because you know what, it's one of these fucking little
Speaker 1: Instagram entertainer as rappers who just the whole ship is
Speaker 1: just gimmicks of lean this and I'm making songs about
Speaker 1: my chains. It's like it sounds funked up. But if
Speaker 1: y'all died, what are you leaving behind for the world?
Speaker 1: Not ship? What did you like, when we listen to you,
Speaker 1: what do we want to go do? Most of y'all
Speaker 1: have fans who, after they listen to you, want to
Speaker 1: go just do some funk shit. Go pop with this,
Speaker 1: Go do Nipsey. Have people wanted to go start businesses,
Speaker 1: influence their community ownership, Like you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: without having the top ten songs. So that's how you
Speaker 1: know it's not about that. It's about what the funk
Speaker 1: y'all are talking about. That's why I always be saying
Speaker 1: like y'all can do all the drug marketing tools and
Speaker 1: do all the gimmicks, but that ship will not last
Speaker 1: because it's simply has no lasting effect on life. You
Speaker 1: can't apply it to you. You can't apply some of
Speaker 1: these people's songs to your longevity of your life. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Nipsey left behind gems that I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: using when I'm ninety. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: he left like I was a not a big reader,
Speaker 1: but what I did read was really impactful self help books.
Speaker 1: It was Napoleon Hills and Deepox. Yeah, so it was
Speaker 1: that type of ship I felt like when I Alchemist, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, for for agreements, the secret all that ship.
Speaker 1: So when I first heard Nipsey, that's I felt like
Speaker 1: I was getting another self help book, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And so I don't And I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the whether or not that's what your agenda should
Speaker 1: be as an artist. That's what I gravitate towards and
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what That's what leaving the world
Speaker 1: off is a better place is about. Because Nipsey left
Speaker 1: the world off. The world is a better place because
Speaker 1: of Nipsey. Like Nipsey didn't come into the world and
Speaker 1: make it worse. Some of these artists are literally coming
Speaker 1: in and poisoning the youth. They're poisoning the culture. They're
Speaker 1: doing all these things, and it's like it's insane to me.
Speaker 1: But once again, no one has balls. Everyone is scared.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to be buddy buddy, so no wants to
Speaker 1: say so that's fine. I'll be the one to say something.
Speaker 1: Y'all can do whatever you want. But it's too late.
Speaker 1: Already got my fans. Is too late. Then you post
Speaker 1: card from the Fords of the Staples too late. I
Speaker 1: know you don't. I know you probably wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: bring this up, but I just feel like it's it's
Speaker 1: funked up the way ship went down. But we were
Speaker 1: supposed to have we're not supposed to. But Nipsey could
Speaker 1: have potentially been on drink Chat the same day. We
Speaker 1: had bird Man the same day. So when we started
Speaker 1: the interview with bird Man, what happened was because I
Speaker 1: got notes for you too right here. But I want
Speaker 1: to do I want to be as naturalist possible at first,
Speaker 1: so I leave my phone away. Sure, so as I
Speaker 1: left my phone a where he was hitting me, but
Speaker 1: I had it on silom because you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we're supposed to do him pause pause, have him
Speaker 1: the same day like he was. That's the one thing
Speaker 1: I respected about two. He was one of the people
Speaker 1: that that actually showed love to the elder generator, you know,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I look at the young kids and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: suck them old dudes, And I can't knock them because
Speaker 1: I remember me being younger saying fuck them old dudes.
Speaker 1: So I don't complain. So you know, I don't believe
Speaker 1: that about you. You never really because you might have
Speaker 1: said that in the hood, telling you I said it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm raised with a lot more respect you might have
Speaker 1: in the hood. Everyone him. No, no, But there's a
Speaker 1: couple of artists that I met with legends, and I
Speaker 1: was like, some of those guys the legends. But so
Speaker 1: my natural reaction is always to be like, when a
Speaker 1: new guy comes out and he's the ship for you know,
Speaker 1: two weeks, I don't say what's up to him? I don't.
Speaker 1: I just let him back because I see so many
Speaker 1: people come and go that I just sit back and
Speaker 1: I get cocky on me. I let you be cocky.
Speaker 1: I don't. I let it all go. But that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I like about you, Like the
Speaker 1: way you give it up to Scott's story, the way
Speaker 1: Nipsey gave it up for us. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: The way even if you even coming out here, that's
Speaker 1: showing the initiative that because there's some hip hop ship,
Speaker 1: don't mean supposed to know about drinking chance unless you
Speaker 1: But like I told you all, like the first second
Speaker 1: I saw this come out, Like when y'all launched this,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the greatest idea. It's because
Speaker 1: it's because the basis of it is natural, because that's
Speaker 1: this is really what like the cameras and anything like,
Speaker 1: this is what we would actually do to people are like, yea,
Speaker 1: you know what we want to canct We want to
Speaker 1: link what will be doing drinking, smoking, talking? Ship? Fine,
Speaker 1: put the cameras on what you're gonna get the same ship?
Speaker 1: You feel me? And that's what I prided myself on too,
Speaker 1: is just authenticity. Like my mom will tell you, my
Speaker 1: friends will tell you. The girls i'd be fu will
Speaker 1: tell you this is what it is, said the girls.
Speaker 1: I mean, he knocks it down, That's who serious. I
Speaker 1: was so proud of that man, so proud. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you to tell you something. I am proud one
Speaker 1: thing that people can't hate on you. And the thing is, um,
Speaker 1: the thing is you you. This is a crazy ship.
Speaker 1: You said something, but I said it on my record.
Speaker 1: I said it on my record. I said, we gassed
Speaker 1: these artists to be these artists. And when these artists
Speaker 1: start acting like the artists, you say, and you said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said it on my record. Big change. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm re charging you and I'm like this motherfucker he
Speaker 1: understands it. The thing is, it's just like being a DJ, right,
Speaker 1: Just like being a DJ right, they'll tell you you're
Speaker 1: the closing DJ, so it's naturally for you to be
Speaker 1: mad at the opening in DJ playing all the records
Speaker 1: that you're gonna play, so they gass you your DJE.
Speaker 1: And then when you start acting like the DJ, they
Speaker 1: critique and saying, oh, he's Holly, he's Hollywood. What's insane.
Speaker 1: It's almost like for an analogy, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a fan looking at you on the come up and
Speaker 1: they're like, man, I can't wait to get on you.
Speaker 1: Get out of all the things he's wrapping up. You
Speaker 1: start rocking those. You don't gotta rock those? What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? That's why I said, in a FLEXTIONI style, Uh,
Speaker 1: either love me? What do I say? You love me?
Speaker 1: I hate your supporter? Either you either love to me.
Speaker 1: You either love to see me shine or you don't.
Speaker 1: No kind of sort of you know sometimes supporter. But
Speaker 1: it's like you can't just be like, oh my love
Speaker 1: is conditional. I want to see you, but only under
Speaker 1: these conditions. Don't shine on me. Don't shine on me.
Speaker 1: But you know what happens with insecure people, You're shining
Speaker 1: regardless shines on them because they just feel like anyone
Speaker 1: shining is sucking up my shine. It's like, no, you
Speaker 1: insecure a piece of ship. Go yell at your fucking mirror.
Speaker 1: It's have nothing to do with me another drink, God
Speaker 1: damn it. But there's definitely a culture of fans that
Speaker 1: they just your fans on the come up, and then
Speaker 1: they that fans because they didn't really want you like that.
Speaker 1: They wanted this part of you the second and went here,
Speaker 1: I gotta go find someone new too. It's like new pussy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna tell you, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna that's how let me looking at you. It's voters
Speaker 1: like the consumer. A lot of the consumers are volts
Speaker 1: and hyenas. They just pounce down on you when it's
Speaker 1: like convenient, like eat you up. The second they've done
Speaker 1: feasting on you and there's some other new ship going
Speaker 1: on over here to the right, they're like cool, And
Speaker 1: why it fox up artists because artists be thinking that
Speaker 1: that love is real, right, so they put out something.
Speaker 1: They put out a song, a blue face or want
Speaker 1: any one of these people who have a song going
Speaker 1: crazy again. All this love is going nuts. A couple
Speaker 1: of months going nuts and so the artists like, man,
Speaker 1: this is I'm lit right. They don't realize though, that
Speaker 1: in three months there will be some other person with
Speaker 1: another song that the vulture is ak the consumer world
Speaker 1: just the look up and be like and start feasting
Speaker 1: on these people, and then your left just fucking hung
Speaker 1: out to dry, like damn, I got nothing in me left,
Speaker 1: And now I didn't set my career up because I
Speaker 1: thought that this was the moment. I thought this moment
Speaker 1: would last forever. And it's like but but there's also
Speaker 1: the snobby fan. The snobby fan is the one that
Speaker 1: I like this guy on the come up because nobody
Speaker 1: knows about him. I'm on that new ship. Motherfuck. You
Speaker 1: know like that too. I used to love Floyd Mayweather
Speaker 1: when he was underground. Whenever you want to start like
Speaker 1: like Floyd Mayweather, I was like, damn that everybody knows.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I'm gonna tell I was explaying
Speaker 1: this to ear fan um earlier. One of the times
Speaker 1: I collaborated where I actually felt like we were trading fans,
Speaker 1: because that's the thing about doing a collaboration, right, like
Speaker 1: sometimes you know we're all due respect. Like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to do records with certain artists because I felt
Speaker 1: like we had the same audience anyway. Right, So so
Speaker 1: the thing about it is I would do it either
Speaker 1: because I have respect for the artists or have respect
Speaker 1: for the situation, or it was a check in vols, right.
Speaker 1: But I started to notice it would be ill like,
Speaker 1: you know, me doing records with like a style's p
Speaker 1: or camera, which is dope, but it's still it wasn't
Speaker 1: really trading fans like it was all both fans coming
Speaker 1: in your current were pleasing our current fans a great
Speaker 1: which is always what it's about. But sometimes you want
Speaker 1: to step out. The only two times in my career
Speaker 1: where I actually felt like I traded fans, it was
Speaker 1: really two times. One time, I know this is terrible
Speaker 1: to say, but I gotta say, uh is when I
Speaker 1: did my one and only record with jay Z on
Speaker 1: our Kelly record. So sorry, so I abode you should
Speaker 1: have got that secret. But it's the only I'm actually
Speaker 1: proud of it because the only record I ever did
Speaker 1: with jay Z, we Ride met jay Z and camera
Speaker 1: met jay Z and camera. But I could actually tell
Speaker 1: you that for me doing that record, like and there
Speaker 1: wasn't no video to it, but but you know, but
Speaker 1: but old ladies started to want to know, yes, he
Speaker 1: has a different crowd. This is lady, you gotta relax
Speaker 1: and that. But what I'm saying is I started to
Speaker 1: realize that that that it brings me a different reudio.
Speaker 1: The only other time I had got bought a different
Speaker 1: audience is when I did though I literally like people
Speaker 1: can judge me for what it is. I told people,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the biggest genre of music. Can
Speaker 1: you years ago? Thank you by the way, you can
Speaker 1: clap have proof of this. They have proof for this.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that was the first time
Speaker 1: when when I was walking through the airport, it was
Speaker 1: old yah daddy Yankee going down the Yankee and I'm
Speaker 1: like yeah, and it was like it was like it
Speaker 1: was ill because like you actually got to see you
Speaker 1: tradeing audience. That's what expanding your audience is better said expect.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think this very moment is right now,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, this is big for me.
Speaker 1: That there's two other big moments for me. This is
Speaker 1: because like I would like we were talking, I respect,
Speaker 1: I respect people who make it. Y'all's point right, like
Speaker 1: that we independent too, just so you know God, damnit,
Speaker 1: we independent to God masters, the masters, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But you know what else? I do everything
Speaker 1: for the game and love of the game. I don't
Speaker 1: really care about the points. I never did. I never
Speaker 1: had a lot of people get rich and stop trying
Speaker 1: because the rich and the money is the points. I
Speaker 1: just loved the game, so I record because I love
Speaker 1: the game. If I loved if I was only doing
Speaker 1: this ship for the money, I would have stopped the
Speaker 1: second that Fortress came out. Let me tell you it was.
Speaker 1: It was clearly not for that. I paid my bills
Speaker 1: one time for eighteen months in the Vans. One time.
Speaker 1: It was like eighteen months. You know. My coundars suggested
Speaker 1: it and paid my bills eighteen months in the Vans,
Speaker 1: the most viserable time of my life. Why you like,
Speaker 1: I gotta man, you gotta cut my A T and
Speaker 1: T phone build off, and you gotta keep me straight.
Speaker 1: You gotta keep me man. I when you lose your hustle,
Speaker 1: like I lost my hustle, like realized, because that was
Speaker 1: it was pointing. I was too content. I was so
Speaker 1: I had everything like and it was like I had
Speaker 1: six cars on bills paid for eighteen months. I literally
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. But that's my life. You know,
Speaker 1: the track of bills is what it was. No, I
Speaker 1: paid it eighteen months and want to track. If you
Speaker 1: don't know that, you gotta pay. My thing is every month,
Speaker 1: I gotta feel like I gotta make up you lost
Speaker 1: when you when you lose that quota, you lose your hustle.
Speaker 1: You don't realize let let me add see. But that
Speaker 1: to me, that's point driven. My quota is my own
Speaker 1: personal satisfaction. Like I need to feel like my jump
Speaker 1: shot just improved every month. Like the money I know
Speaker 1: is Anteller, that's right, whatever, But I understand that hustle too.
Speaker 1: But then it's like to me like I'll never stop
Speaker 1: because I'm never content with the level. I always think
Speaker 1: my overall can go up. If I get to overall,
Speaker 1: be like yeah, but I eventually, if I just go
Speaker 1: hard on the studio, I'll be a hundred. That's will
Speaker 1: keeps me going and you're still doing everything recording. I
Speaker 1: still like now I have I've been working with other producers,
Speaker 1: but yeah, know when it's like the studios in my house,
Speaker 1: I didn't build it in my house. So I still
Speaker 1: walk down said blue Frame. That was a wild night.
Speaker 1: That was a wild Now you know who blue Frame is, right,
Speaker 1: strip Atlanta's the best strip flem in Atlanta. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know Magic City. I'm no Magic City to for Buflame.
Speaker 1: You know what Magic City? Sometimes they'll be acting like
Speaker 1: it's for the terrorists, like sometimes you know, I went
Speaker 1: back and I'm not talking about the nineties Magic City.
Speaker 1: Don't get It's like it's like Magic City was not
Speaker 1: for the tourists. Well no, no, no, no, I'm saying
Speaker 1: now like blue Flame is like more like you see
Speaker 1: killing Mike there like that in the daytime by himself
Speaker 1: with a midgic like for real. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I said that. I don't know what. Let that ride
Speaker 1: with the doorf is the correct world dof little people,
Speaker 1: little people like yeah people, Okay, I'm not getting because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get canceled because the Dwarf. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: What's your calls. I'm not saying anything though. You You
Speaker 1: was like I was hating out with comic the other day,
Speaker 1: right and j I don't know, now you hang out
Speaker 1: with him? Just you gotta get over it. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't drink that. Did you guys figure that I
Speaker 1: didn't ask, but he asked, But he said to me,
Speaker 1: he said, to me, I asked my question. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm the king. Uh, you know, avoiding controversy. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: why he's not coming on. Drink. Just don't listen. It's
Speaker 1: about drink chance. But he said, I'm the kid on
Speaker 1: contrary contrary to the way, he said, you're almost like
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. For sure, I'll tell you, you know,
Speaker 1: he said he's the king. He said, he's the king
Speaker 1: of a boarding like I'll welcome it because if if
Speaker 1: when the dust settles, the truth still remains, which it
Speaker 1: always does when I'm down and I got I got
Speaker 1: my fans, so I have confidence and I find solace
Speaker 1: and faith in that, like y'all can't do. Y'all can't
Speaker 1: take that away from me. Whatever happens, it's pulling on
Speaker 1: the drink. He said that four times. Come on and
Speaker 1: then talk him on. That's good, he's into the interview.
Speaker 1: You say that into the interview, what I do. I
Speaker 1: really want to make that point for the for everyone watching,
Speaker 1: like it's really about the game and not the points
Speaker 1: like I feel like this NBA players who will play
Speaker 1: for free, those wants to get rings, like I feel
Speaker 1: like Kobe would have played for free and now the
Speaker 1: money is they still got to You have to win
Speaker 1: in order to leave. People don't want to lead a
Speaker 1: follow up person, right, bro, I don't even have But
Speaker 1: you think you all in love with the game. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like you saw us as an example. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did this for eight months, not a child, nine months,
Speaker 1: nine months? Big want to check and what we knew,
Speaker 1: we knew, we knew what we need, then we knew
Speaker 1: what we loved, what we were doing. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's look, that's beyond everything. That's what matters. What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're right, well, that's why I like, that's why instantly
Speaker 1: down for this, not because of the points, not as
Speaker 1: anyone around me did. I Karen symbol too, Shoutoutli was
Speaker 1: a superhero. She's a superwoman with woman, any woman, she's
Speaker 1: a superhero for real. What the reason why I did this?
Speaker 1: Like I said, you can ask her, you guys, ask
Speaker 1: anyone around me. I never once said, well how many views?
Speaker 1: Is that? It wasn't about the point. It was about, Nah,
Speaker 1: I love the game of the ship and I love
Speaker 1: to play and I love I love ship that I
Speaker 1: just funk with. So if I just sunk with it,
Speaker 1: I do it, no question. I've been fuck with me. Also,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about, oh, well, can you tell me to
Speaker 1: reach one type of promote? I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: It's not like one or two fans. But it's like
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter you feel me because like I just
Speaker 1: feel like when you love the game, if I love
Speaker 1: to go to the gym and work on my jump
Speaker 1: shot for the sake of loving my jump shot. This
Speaker 1: is why I say Steph Curry's sucking. People love Steph
Speaker 1: Curry's dad was in the NBA. So Steph Curry is
Speaker 1: so good at basketball not because he needed to make money.
Speaker 1: He's so good at basketball because he really just actually
Speaker 1: knows basketball. He wants to overprove himself. Let me just
Speaker 1: get in the game, not the point. So look, and
Speaker 1: it's the patient. I'm sorry for this shot, brother, So
Speaker 1: this is about this research. Listen, you know, please in
Speaker 1: our show, we celebrate your motherfucking life while you're here.
Speaker 1: We don't want you to go away and be like
Speaker 1: this motherfucker saw the Staples Center and we didn't tell him.
Speaker 1: How proud of to your motherfucking face, we are proud
Speaker 1: of you, brother. We see you come people. Let's come
Speaker 1: in this motherfucking game, stop this ship out and we
Speaker 1: respect you and we got your motherfucking back. So I
Speaker 1: lout to each other, it's not that bad because he drink,
Speaker 1: he drinks away, he wants more, he wants more later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like second another one, but keeping but get
Speaker 1: him the same amount you gave me, bro, just keeping
Speaker 1: eating this time. I'm out at that. So it's crazy.
Speaker 1: When we first met each other, I was the big guy,
Speaker 1: never drinking and then I hate now I hate hate,
Speaker 1: but he drinks dezotic bears. He drinks this, and he'd
Speaker 1: be drinking kinda kinda kinda let's be honest kindikin and
Speaker 1: cords like everything I've been bringing. Were you from New
Speaker 1: York City? Like Stella was desotic? Bro, that's you're all
Speaker 1: that Stella they come with the orange thing on it.
Speaker 1: That's my mother, listen, I mean from New York City? Yeah,
Speaker 1: god mother, kind of kid buddy wins and cords like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I ever tell you you know what I got was
Speaker 1: like story with big pun Big story. Big Punt used
Speaker 1: to make everybody walk in his session, drink a Holese
Speaker 1: Cords light and then a fucking hens. Yeah, but this
Speaker 1: was horrible because this it was just it was an
Speaker 1: engineer guy. He walks in you can tell us engineer
Speaker 1: and scared the death because punish, you know, and he
Speaker 1: got a gun on his waist. He's like, it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy guy, but he's so funny that you you
Speaker 1: forget that he's crazy, so so funny goes to the guy. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody got to do it. So he makes
Speaker 1: you ll drink a cause like most horrible thing in
Speaker 1: the world. You gotta piss me a bottle, no camp,
Speaker 1: the whole joint, the whole joint, and you take a
Speaker 1: shot of Hennessey and then he just let you go.
Speaker 1: That's terrible. And then got intro. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, to the head, to the head together,
Speaker 1: to the head engineer. I feel so sorry for the
Speaker 1: engineer because the engineers looking at it. He had to
Speaker 1: do it to everybody had to do. He me like,
Speaker 1: nor drink at all, and I'm like, I'm not paying
Speaker 1: you haven't years, I can't do the shot. I can't
Speaker 1: front he had like that recovering. I'm just saying, there
Speaker 1: was wonderful stories. I got onto Medelo's by this Venezuelan chicken.
Speaker 1: Brooklyn was this restaurant soundstic she was, she was okay
Speaker 1: venezuellow because there was this shout out to kids. Super
Speaker 1: One of my homies has his own clothing grand company,
Speaker 1: whole thing in Williamsburg, and I was. I would go
Speaker 1: up there for months on end and make a lot
Speaker 1: of songs and whatever. He had a studio in the
Speaker 1: basement and I would sleep on the couch. There's no windows,
Speaker 1: you know. I talking about that grind baby, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it was. There was a Chinese spot around the corner
Speaker 1: that I would just get food from for five dollars,
Speaker 1: like twice a day, and then someone spot me on
Speaker 1: the deli sandwich. There was this restaurant across the street
Speaker 1: called Mexico to dollars that had all these Venezuelan girls.
Speaker 1: They were definitely on the pain, which I than with Venezuela. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is why I chucked up. So it was
Speaker 1: Mexico two thousand, y'all underpaying the Venezuelan girls, you know,
Speaker 1: we know. No, that was a restaurant reshap bang crazy
Speaker 1: waitresses though done bad. So like there was a fleet
Speaker 1: offul so there was like six of us across the
Speaker 1: street where like, well I just high, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So there was there was one girl
Speaker 1: who put me onto Modela's and also taught me just
Speaker 1: like the only thing I need to know in Spanish,
Speaker 1: which is taught you to will you marry them? I
Speaker 1: have used that information take care of this guy side
Speaker 1: of com me. That's all my Spanish women, not that
Speaker 1: you feel me. Shout out to the I swear you Spanish,
Speaker 1: honestly somewhere possibly again time my career. Yeah, you really
Speaker 1: go right into another conversation. It's boosting me up. Come on.
Speaker 1: It gave a throw down because it was a time
Speaker 1: in my career I just got off a major. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did another independent thing and I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: And my only route mhmm was to keep continuing with
Speaker 1: my fans was tune core. Wow, I love this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know this tune call. But I made
Speaker 1: no money on two cords what years? This This was
Speaker 1: just like it's just it's like for your queens, get
Speaker 1: the money I think this was like you didn't let
Speaker 1: your finger involved. No. No, What it is is, my
Speaker 1: point of bringing that up is having your music on
Speaker 1: tune Core. It's equivalent to be independent to having your
Speaker 1: music and costcos having a product in costcos. What I
Speaker 1: mean by that is having your product and costcos is
Speaker 1: a big fucking deal. But people didn't. But people still
Speaker 1: have to buy it, people still have to see it,
Speaker 1: people who staid. So that's the part that I didn't get.
Speaker 1: I have threw out a couple of records before Empire,
Speaker 1: years before Empire. Yes, so I threw out the records
Speaker 1: expecting people to just because I'm Nori, I'm a platinum artist.
Speaker 1: I have went platinum before. I wouldn't go before. I
Speaker 1: didn't promote it. I didn't understand that. No marketing, no promotion,
Speaker 1: no marketing, distribution, not even just yea just to but
Speaker 1: we didn't have it wasn't Spotify back then, just I
Speaker 1: wounds and SoundCloud wasn't even Yeah, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: sound clouds. He's a kick of SoundCloud, but I haven't.
Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is people don't understand
Speaker 1: how hard it is because tone call anybody you're all
Speaker 1: on the same level. Well, t cores chapter two. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. Two cores Chapter two. Chapter one is understanding
Speaker 1: how to market your own product, which is like because,
Speaker 1: like you said, tone cords are like having your shi
Speaker 1: scored like Chae. Really it's like having your ship in
Speaker 1: Costco in every city and every town everywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: That's what it's really like. But nobody knows nobody, right,
Speaker 1: So then you gotta learn kind of what works, which
Speaker 1: is what took me a long time too. I could
Speaker 1: put in my tune Core right now is making twenty
Speaker 1: cents thirty cents a dolly. It wasn't like second like
Speaker 1: what much I was a millionaire. It was five four
Speaker 1: or five years of max quarters. Well, I was putting,
Speaker 1: so this is what I was doing it. First I
Speaker 1: put out eleven projects, all self produced, everything right, not
Speaker 1: on SoundCloud. This is when like it was, it was
Speaker 1: fucking like media fire, just these random no SoundCloud, file
Speaker 1: sharing ship yeah, Apple, yeah, file sharing ship. Apple music
Speaker 1: was not out, uh like you send the type ship
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, literally that's the ship. But I
Speaker 1: would put it on tune Core and they would distribute
Speaker 1: it to the DSPs that were available, but I would
Speaker 1: never promote those links because my goal to get heard,
Speaker 1: not get bought. I wanted to get heard, so I
Speaker 1: would never promote It was there if you want it
Speaker 1: and you stumble on it, God bless you, feel me.
Speaker 1: But that was not it. Uh So that was to
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I've done eleven projects and I
Speaker 1: still have a thousand followers, so I need to switch
Speaker 1: some up. Most people will quit. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm ill self believe I need to need
Speaker 1: to switch it up. And I realized, like people are
Speaker 1: not trying to hear an album from someone they don't know,
Speaker 1: but people are always down to click on the first song.
Speaker 1: So I was like, cool, I'm gonna drop one song
Speaker 1: albums every week until I blow up one song album,
Speaker 1: which is like why every song I had a different hort.
Speaker 1: We we had that whole uh esthetic on deck. But
Speaker 1: I put out a song every week for two and
Speaker 1: a half years. So but it was like a single
Speaker 1: every single every week on sounding Now I was using SoundCloud.
Speaker 1: That was my main promotion. But you know then on
Speaker 1: my social media is I would put up h a
Speaker 1: little like selfie videos of me singing this ship or
Speaker 1: wrapping the ship because I'm my slow you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm gonna use my looks to my advantage.
Speaker 1: You feel me. I know it's up. Like if y'all y,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, but I knew
Speaker 1: what periods, So like I was like, cool, if I'm
Speaker 1: if I'm dropping some singing ship, I might put up
Speaker 1: itself like I'm on something by any means necessary had
Speaker 1: a thousand followers, so like I'm trying to get on,
Speaker 1: so I would put up these selfing videos or whatever.
Speaker 1: I would trying to do all this, Uh, just stayed
Speaker 1: so locked into the social media to try and promote.
Speaker 1: And it didn't work on the first week, didn't work
Speaker 1: on the second, didn't work on the twenty five. But
Speaker 1: I made sure before I even dropped that first song
Speaker 1: that I had twenty five songs because I always said
Speaker 1: twenty six, because I always said I want to have
Speaker 1: half the I want to be half a year ahead
Speaker 1: of y'all. When you think it's the week in a
Speaker 1: roll rush, damn, you must be slowing up. No, I've
Speaker 1: been had twenty six. I got another twenty six. What
Speaker 1: made what made you not give up? Because because I
Speaker 1: thought I was so ill and I was in love
Speaker 1: with the game, but I had to be something to
Speaker 1: make you say, I'm gonna stick with it like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's just it's it's that, it's that thing that's
Speaker 1: like and I like, I'm so obsessed with it, and
Speaker 1: I have to proving you're wrong. I had to prove
Speaker 1: myself right. I couldn't sleep with the fact of giving
Speaker 1: up now when I know that I could do it.
Speaker 1: But what what taught you? Consistency though, like the idea
Speaker 1: of because doing in this, in this that WoT you
Speaker 1: answer him? Let me just tell you something because the
Speaker 1: person from my error the reason why you guys are genius.
Speaker 1: From your errors, you'll understood the artists to consumer, we
Speaker 1: didn't know that my day. Um like trying of back
Speaker 1: what you're just saying. My day we had to actually
Speaker 1: go to a label to the find our audience. What
Speaker 1: quality was so much better because there was gatekeepers and
Speaker 1: it wasn't so easy to just get on. So this
Speaker 1: pros and cons of both things. Because back then, for
Speaker 1: you to even be heard by me at seven years old,
Speaker 1: you had to be ill. You know what I'm saying now,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like you can upload zhone the camera. Guys,
Speaker 1: you might be fired, but Minnesota and anyone in New York.
Speaker 1: But I learned from my mistakes. I learned from Yo.
Speaker 1: I dropped eleven projects that I feel like a fired,
Speaker 1: but they didn't do anything, and so I had to
Speaker 1: take a step back and understand why didn't they do anything.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the wet which is the music. It was
Speaker 1: the how it was how it was putting them out.
Speaker 1: Because one of those songs on my eighth mixtape is Gold,
Speaker 1: was being consumed. Yeah, how how I was delivering it?
Speaker 1: Because you can't tell me that a song that is
Speaker 1: now Gold, that was off my eighth of eleven mixtapes
Speaker 1: wasn't fired. Then it was the same song. It was
Speaker 1: just that it wasn't It didn't have the light on it.
Speaker 1: So I had to go and figure out how to
Speaker 1: garner attention. And I knew albums at that point after
Speaker 1: eleven times that was not it, So I was like cool.
Speaker 1: I noticed that whenever an artist dropped an album on SoundCloud,
Speaker 1: the first song had the most place and they would
Speaker 1: go down by that. The second song had less, third less,
Speaker 1: and then one might stick out because it's a big feature.
Speaker 1: But it was traditionally usually the first song I had
Speaker 1: the most first song on the playlist whatever it is,
Speaker 1: playlist album. Yeah, when the artists was dropping an album,
Speaker 1: the first song had the most plays. So I learned.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, cool, that just means that everyone
Speaker 1: is down to listen to one song. So I'll just
Speaker 1: dropped one song over and over again until it blows up.
Speaker 1: And so you were like, fuck putting out the whole
Speaker 1: project just its first first. Oh yeah, they're all gonna
Speaker 1: be first all first, I'm dropping the first song on
Speaker 1: an album every week, so that's what it was. But
Speaker 1: I knew that I was always an album artist, so
Speaker 1: I knew to have an album on the side because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to blow up. Oh yeah. So the
Speaker 1: second I decided to do that, I had an album
Speaker 1: on the side of fourteen songs, and I had twenty
Speaker 1: five songs I was down to put out right, So
Speaker 1: at that point I'm playing chess. I'm super prepared because
Speaker 1: if one of these twenty five blows up, here's the album,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to miss the moment because I've
Speaker 1: seen the artists who blow up and then scramble and
Speaker 1: rush around and wait three years to put out. Now
Speaker 1: they don't have ship, so I was like, let me
Speaker 1: make sure I have an album. Is cash money is
Speaker 1: universal calling, you know, like the only people who called
Speaker 1: and shout out to them, and I always pick them up,
Speaker 1: even if I don't sunk with the companies like that,
Speaker 1: but I always pick them up because they did reach out.
Speaker 1: It was it was Atlantic, It was Jeff Vaughn specifically
Speaker 1: who I think it's at APG, and it was a
Speaker 1: dame from from Volume and also Brian Johnson who was
Speaker 1: at Atlantic. But that was it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then you never sucked and we we kind of
Speaker 1: brought u up outside with strange music and technolog in them.
Speaker 1: So all you talk about I respected so much, But
Speaker 1: it's like I always knew that I wanted to create
Speaker 1: my own thing. I don't want to go be a
Speaker 1: part of your thing. But you knew about their things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, we knew it was not your strategy. Reminds
Speaker 1: me of him, Yeah, yeah, strategy obviously you do it
Speaker 1: your way way. But we were talking about outside, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not like we always knew about him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so um, but I like I learned that,
Speaker 1: you know what, I need to take a step back
Speaker 1: and really map this out and plot. Like I said, so,
Speaker 1: I had the album on the side, and I had
Speaker 1: songs in the vault before I put out my first
Speaker 1: song on SoundCloud. Right, But what made you not want
Speaker 1: to go to a unit like you said? Well, because
Speaker 1: because I studied this ship. Bro. I watched every breakfast club,
Speaker 1: I watched every everything, Like I wasn't just going into
Speaker 1: this blind. That's why I don't feel bad for artists
Speaker 1: who get taken advantage of nineteen. There's too much information,
Speaker 1: so like you'll want to all play their victim mentality.
Speaker 1: It's like, nah, bro, like you're just an idiot, And
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad for idiots. I really don't. I'm not.
Speaker 1: You know what if that's if that's one of my flaws.
Speaker 1: I don't have compassion for stupid an so fucking it
Speaker 1: slow ceriously. Yeah. So it's like you've got people like
Speaker 1: de so apartment that here and had to deal with contracts.
Speaker 1: But as a different time, different times, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: these two year olds get taking back. It's insane. You
Speaker 1: can google everything that everything you need to know you
Speaker 1: can get you can get the information. But so I
Speaker 1: was doing that, and like I said, it wasn't the
Speaker 1: twenties song song. But when you're doing here's here's another
Speaker 1: thing that people overlook. Those eleven projects were me, uh
Speaker 1: practicing my jump shot to the point I always looking
Speaker 1: at it like a video game, almost like I was
Speaker 1: a sixty overall on that first project. That's what you
Speaker 1: start out when you create a player in the video.
Speaker 1: By the time I was even putting out songs on SoundCloud,
Speaker 1: I had mastered the craft to certainly I was eighty
Speaker 1: four you feel me like I was. I was formidable.
Speaker 1: Any song at that point could have gone right, and
Speaker 1: maybe it was a ninety I'm for once of you humble,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But but so every song
Speaker 1: at that point it was of quality to go. So
Speaker 1: when you're putting out a song every week that has
Speaker 1: the potential to be a big song, whatever, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a great song, and everything is like, the mixing
Speaker 1: is down, everything is down, the craft is mastered to
Speaker 1: a certain level. When you're doing that every week for
Speaker 1: two and a half years, it's not a matter of if,
Speaker 1: it's a matter of when and I need. So I
Speaker 1: was like, look, whenever y'all are ready to give me
Speaker 1: what I know I deserve, I have the album ready,
Speaker 1: which is why when it popped off, I had the
Speaker 1: album ready. You're playing the numbers game at that point.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that's still some tough ship. Like, well,
Speaker 1: the only tough part about it is the mental aspect,
Speaker 1: because look at how much most most kid work, Yes,
Speaker 1: but liked because we have friends who when I say
Speaker 1: we need, me and Buddhist looked at each other, was like,
Speaker 1: I'll be sure this is working. No, yeah, so we
Speaker 1: have I don't think we ever felt that way to be.
Speaker 1: We had it twice. Also on chapter X, Y Z
Speaker 1: or whatever. You'll have already seen success in your own
Speaker 1: individual lives, so you know that success. Like if y'all
Speaker 1: have never been successful in your life and this was
Speaker 1: your first venture in your own life, do it for fun.
Speaker 1: We didn't do this right, but imagine imagine if this
Speaker 1: was your first attempt at trying to succeed in life.
Speaker 1: You know, you're absolutely there's way more doubt involved. But
Speaker 1: now we won't just always. Uh, it's a belief thing, bro,
Speaker 1: It's a it's a artists everything you've read, because I'm
Speaker 1: telling you it's amazing an artist, because the thing about
Speaker 1: it is right, We're starting out with you saying, we
Speaker 1: posted a thing on tomb care and so we're so
Speaker 1: so much skipping. Yeah, the grind with so much skipping.
Speaker 1: And I don't want these artists to think that that's
Speaker 1: just it. They you know, pay the to upload the record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then and then they're gonna be in everyone. Especially
Speaker 1: in today's day and age. Everything is instant gratification. You
Speaker 1: post a picture, I instantly get a DM know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, it's instant, Like you post something, I
Speaker 1: instantly get a response. I do this. Everything's freshing. Everything
Speaker 1: in life is so instant. You can order something instantly,
Speaker 1: you can get it juice instantly, you can fucking bit
Speaker 1: just like everything is instant. Okay, dude, back, but we're
Speaker 1: not that bad. We haven't made that much point. You
Speaker 1: gotta fish in the right time. How do you continue? Okay,
Speaker 1: so not at all? Awkways out of my vocabulary. So
Speaker 1: you get everything is instant. So artists, we dealt with them.
Speaker 1: I was cool with them and I'm still cool with them.
Speaker 1: But you put out one project, it doesn't do what
Speaker 1: you what you think it's supposed to do, and you
Speaker 1: give up the problem once again. I am about solution
Speaker 1: and the root. The root of that is attachment to results,
Speaker 1: detachment results, and that's a that's a chapter in Deepox
Speaker 1: Show for seven Spiritual Law of Success. But detached from results. No,
Speaker 1: because too many people put out a song and say,
Speaker 1: without them realizing it, they say to themselves the energy.
Speaker 1: If this doesn't do a million views, I'm off this ship, okay,
Speaker 1: But let's speak to the people that that maybe has
Speaker 1: kid children or something like that has children, like and
Speaker 1: you know, you know, because because a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of it is your baby moms saying give it up.
Speaker 1: Usually it's your family closest they're telling you. Man, Ronald
Speaker 1: McDonald and them niggas is hiring, like yeah, but like
Speaker 1: honestly and they honestly. I agree to say that artist
Speaker 1: that throw those three couple of I think you need
Speaker 1: to where you are in life. But I also agree,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the fact that people uh absolutely
Speaker 1: dismissed and because some of these artists ain't good. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to work. But that's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying like no, like, but I don't have money, But
Speaker 1: I don't agree that people dismiss the reality of yeah,
Speaker 1: go get the job in McDonald's like, don't like. But
Speaker 1: society and everyone is saying that that's whack. Now you
Speaker 1: know what's whack being broke. You know it's wack being
Speaker 1: locked up for some ship you didn't have to do.
Speaker 1: You feel me, like, my fuck's just like put McDonald's
Speaker 1: as anything. That motherfucker like it is trying to make
Speaker 1: it happen in a in a legal way so that
Speaker 1: he can still fund his legal movement of music. So
Speaker 1: I was saying about the buying McDonalds buy, I'm hiring
Speaker 1: all paroles. I don't care if y'all still for me.
Speaker 1: It's all right now McDonald work. But yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make it work now. But people, but people need to
Speaker 1: stop the meaning that uh that avenue having a job,
Speaker 1: having a job, having a job is don't we everybody
Speaker 1: could be getting hard No, no, I know, but some
Speaker 1: of these niggas got to stop. Yeah, but that's that's
Speaker 1: that's even more of my point. Since everyone can't be
Speaker 1: an artist, you are the last person the same McDonald's
Speaker 1: is beneaty exactly, so like stop stop shipping on that
Speaker 1: because sucks with me. Yeah, you know, but but let
Speaker 1: me say something to move on to the next ship.
Speaker 1: Let me say something. You know, it's crazy. I always
Speaker 1: say if the fourteen year old me came up to
Speaker 1: the met now, maybe not me right now because I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a minded but to me
Speaker 1: a year ago, two years ago with each other and said, yo, ago,
Speaker 1: you're time a year ago, three weeks ago, you're talking No.
Speaker 1: But so if the fourteen year old came up to
Speaker 1: me and was like, Yo, this is my beat, fourteen
Speaker 1: would trash like that's not that's not like a Kanye
Speaker 1: saying he's beats on Twitter. Fantasy would try no, like
Speaker 1: my first beat even on garage man with three instruments
Speaker 1: and like a sin thing playing with one finger trash.
Speaker 1: So they probably will pop right now, Loki, it's it
Speaker 1: after this, I'm playing the now. But like, if that
Speaker 1: kid came up to me, I checked myself, like over
Speaker 1: a year ago, I was like, man, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I would be like, I don't see how it could
Speaker 1: ever work with you. You are showing no signs of
Speaker 1: any sort of potential like this just is trash. That's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking my head. My younger self taught
Speaker 1: my older self to never count anyone out, Like if
Speaker 1: you're trash right now, I believe in you because I
Speaker 1: know that trash can turn into but it's not that.
Speaker 1: But it never is. But it's always on your head.
Speaker 1: But you can't say your trash I believe, Yes you can,
Speaker 1: Yes you can't. Fun man, you believe in a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Yes you do. You know why? You know why?
Speaker 1: Yes you do? Yes you do because if that makes
Speaker 1: me the ship person from believing in you the light
Speaker 1: to everybody, no matter being politics, a matter of not
Speaker 1: ruling out the potential fear. What doesn't mean investing in everybody,
Speaker 1: say investing money, But I will invest believe in energy
Speaker 1: into but you know what I will, because who's to
Speaker 1: say no, I agree that my energy and my belief
Speaker 1: and your energy and your belief. Who's to say that
Speaker 1: that might not trickle and come down? Is some ship
Speaker 1: I don't want to be. I'll never be in. Nay
Speaker 1: said no, I respect that. Sometimes you gotta say I
Speaker 1: respect You're not good though, right? No, No, you say
Speaker 1: that much to give away as I'm saying everyone, everyone
Speaker 1: that records me, all my homies. I wasn't letting anyone
Speaker 1: on the mic over my beaks because I said, you're
Speaker 1: not fired, so real friends right there. But so when
Speaker 1: you said sometimes you gotta say you're not good though. Yes,
Speaker 1: but that's my cousin. I got to tell him my thing, don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I keep telling my phone not working,
Speaker 1: I got to like talk about Let me tell you though.
Speaker 1: If you tell one of your homies, yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: not good though, that's fine. Just make sure that that
Speaker 1: sentence doesn't have a period on the end of it.
Speaker 1: I'll say you're not ended. You're not good though. No, no,
Speaker 1: not that you're not good right now. Keep working on it.
Speaker 1: You might be because I always trash you feel me.
Speaker 1: So I can never look at someone and be like,
Speaker 1: you're not good right now, and you won't be good
Speaker 1: in ten years, Like what happened to good? That's not
Speaker 1: good in ten years. Get a job in McDonald's. That's
Speaker 1: a period on that. Honestly, Jen soaking up, write it down,
Speaker 1: hanging on in there now it's true because um, the
Speaker 1: thing about it is, I always want people to know
Speaker 1: that you know, being an artist is not to end
Speaker 1: all be all. People see that there's so many people
Speaker 1: that make so much money behind the scenes. And I
Speaker 1: had the same exact passion as the music, same as that,
Speaker 1: and it's so much other things that people could do
Speaker 1: besides being in front of the Canada. I think you
Speaker 1: said that on an interview. You said you admired the
Speaker 1: booking agents. Oh yeah, okay, I liked it that. I
Speaker 1: was so confused when there was people in the media
Speaker 1: and in the industry like why are you trying to
Speaker 1: make those are the people like for people? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: because you're trying to wrap up. No one's wrapping up.
Speaker 1: What was we got two hours? Like this is it? Chris,
Speaker 1: don't give me the the fucking guy like we had
Speaker 1: the Grammys and ship, like we had that little yourself
Speaker 1: you continue to talk, so what it is like when
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get into any field, I just
Speaker 1: feel like you got to educate yourself. And that guy
Speaker 1: was saying, especially twenty nineteen where it's all out there
Speaker 1: but a book and agent. Yeah, Like I did the research,
Speaker 1: like I watched the interviews, I did this ship, so
Speaker 1: I knew, like you see the artists, and you see
Speaker 1: the change and you see the money and the ship,
Speaker 1: but no one ever asked how did you get that? People?
Speaker 1: Was it was it by touring? Well, how did you
Speaker 1: get touring? That's the age? Yeah, Steve Strange, so you
Speaker 1: your freestyle, which was fucking that's phenomenal. Same. I was like,
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be way more nervous than
Speaker 1: I was, but he was so cool that it made
Speaker 1: me just be like, man, So you were nervous to
Speaker 1: meet the booking agent eminem the first time? It was
Speaker 1: it was boxing him in verse the five wasn't it
Speaker 1: might have been, wasn't. Roy was just faring with It's
Speaker 1: what I say, we're fighting each other. Someone got there
Speaker 1: that should not. It's like I looked up to the
Speaker 1: booking agents because I wanted to understand the mechanics of
Speaker 1: how everything was moving. I didn't I didn't buy into oh,
Speaker 1: you're just just rich because you tell me you're rich.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know how and why, and so I
Speaker 1: figured out how. And there was a lot of components
Speaker 1: and it was like at the time two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: it was really Peter Schwartz and Carroll Lewis as far
Speaker 1: as in my head. Um, and that's just I just
Speaker 1: at that's who I wanted. So when my manager was
Speaker 1: first reaching out, found me on SoundCloud, give me up
Speaker 1: via email. Know he's right there. You can tell you
Speaker 1: guys right now, I said, Miles Milan right there. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's Miles. I remember telling Milan over and over again.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about anything else you're doing.
Speaker 1: Get me a meeting with Carol Louis and then then
Speaker 1: all like, I'll take it serious because I'm never down
Speaker 1: and people need to understand you can't work with people
Speaker 1: who who can't contribute something you can contribute to yourself.
Speaker 1: So I was like, look, unless you can get because
Speaker 1: I don't need to produce what I'm doing. I don't
Speaker 1: need a lot of managers are like they're putting the
Speaker 1: collapse together in this or I'm doing all that, so
Speaker 1: I don't need that. I got a different prerequisite to
Speaker 1: fuck with me, like, I need this. So if you
Speaker 1: can provide me this and then I'll take it serious.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, it's the mindset of being like, you
Speaker 1: know what, it's the booking agent. Why the booking agent
Speaker 1: is the one who put you on tours and the
Speaker 1: one who at the time is very smart for you
Speaker 1: to know that because a lot of people from my
Speaker 1: era never made one royalties. You only made advance money,
Speaker 1: and everything else was always on the road. Tom So
Speaker 1: just when you you knowing that with some great advance.
Speaker 1: So now you gotta switch the interview a little bit,
Speaker 1: get some one of the more shot. Let's go, baby,
Speaker 1: make it make it decent. Yes you do, Yes, you do,
Speaker 1: because motherfucker, because there's much you have to Absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: been married. It's just like Turkey did it on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: Turkey dinner in here. That one, that one was rough.
Speaker 1: I need some cheeseburger babies. Yeah, you know that smells
Speaker 1: like the fourth seasons in Tokyo. Jes season. It does,
Speaker 1: no loki, it's whatever, all whatever, y'all use the set,
Speaker 1: y'all using the fourth season in Tokyo smells like the
Speaker 1: way this is change has that sit in his house,
Speaker 1: like when you can walk into pubs. It's a slight,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, but it doesn't smell. It's not saying
Speaker 1: I know what he's saying. It's like, this feels smells
Speaker 1: like four seasons Tokyo the day seasons. Right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, honestly know, every time I've been in Tokyo,
Speaker 1: I've never been righted to the four seasons to make
Speaker 1: some noise of influence, and you know what I want
Speaker 1: to really also just like sidebar random ship luke this
Speaker 1: make it go viral um. The reality is that I
Speaker 1: absolutely have the most love for all these upcoming artists
Speaker 1: in twenty years and one year olds, and I wish
Speaker 1: that I can sit in room with all of them
Speaker 1: and just give them genuine advice unsolicited. You don't have
Speaker 1: to like it, take it whatever, But I think that
Speaker 1: there's so much potential and so much ownership potential, and
Speaker 1: it's just like y'all don't understand that you can make
Speaker 1: ten million dollars in a year. Look a little NASA
Speaker 1: still own your stuff with Columbia, Oh yeah, masters, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we just now we split the profits on it, so
Speaker 1: it's a proper split. Yeah. So it's like, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. That's that's fair. That's all my publishing,
Speaker 1: so that's that's fair. And I sell my independent catalog,
Speaker 1: so that's fair. But you look like a little nasax,
Speaker 1: right song going crazy as well it should and the doors,
Speaker 1: he's breaking down like it's amazing. I think I hate
Speaker 1: his name, but I do, like you know, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, like a lot of like, I
Speaker 1: try my hardest to operate beneath the surface. I don't
Speaker 1: want to get caught up a like so little Nasax,
Speaker 1: you're like your name. I was almost the same way
Speaker 1: that name. But that doesn't matter. It's like what he
Speaker 1: what It's about the energy in the substance that it's
Speaker 1: moving with his dad. Oh yeah, look how we shook
Speaker 1: up country like funk with that. I felt with the
Speaker 1: beneath the service it. But I look at a kid
Speaker 1: like that and I'm like, yo, do you understand that?
Speaker 1: Now he's with Columbia. So Columbia might have given him
Speaker 1: I don't know, definitely millions for sure? Is it four?
Speaker 1: Is the two? Is the three? I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know the terms. But regardless, like you could have made
Speaker 1: on too and cold with that same song, And this
Speaker 1: is not one of those situations where I needed them
Speaker 1: to to milk it and to make it go big.
Speaker 1: He was milking it on Twitter and made it become
Speaker 1: viral without Columbia, So oh yeah, he was oh yeah,
Speaker 1: no he even he even he even no, no, no.
Speaker 1: That was little nos EX utilizing social media and understanding
Speaker 1: how social media works Twitter, Instagram, being a twenty year
Speaker 1: old kid and manipulating that he lose Soldier Boy. Soldier
Speaker 1: Boy was like that, that's what I'm saying exactly. That's
Speaker 1: what you need to put respect on soldier boy. But
Speaker 1: that's that's but so Little nos X It's like, bro, like,
Speaker 1: you should have kept that one for yourself at least
Speaker 1: for eight months. So that guess what, Because the way
Speaker 1: tune core and everything works, it's a two month delay. Right.
Speaker 1: So let's say Little NASA blows a song in January, right,
Speaker 1: and it goes nuts, and now we'reing, what what what
Speaker 1: month is? Maybe April whatever, so May, let's say by May,
Speaker 1: labels are like, yo, we we gotta sign you. Little
Speaker 1: ns as could then say he has some leverage because
Speaker 1: he's like, listen, I know what I'm doing on my own,
Speaker 1: so you have to put up X amount. Right, That's
Speaker 1: how I did my deal. Like I had a tune
Speaker 1: Core so and I was making hundreds of times. I
Speaker 1: was making a hundred k right a month. Let's call
Speaker 1: it roughly a month, So I'm not taking this is
Speaker 1: this is like no Label, no like me my basement,
Speaker 1: right and it pays out every Friday. So when Label
Speaker 1: started talking to me like, I'm not taking your usual
Speaker 1: six hundred k advance with some royalty rate deal, like
Speaker 1: because I have belief in this and I know that
Speaker 1: if I'm making a hundred camees July, by december's one
Speaker 1: seventy and by December seventeen is to seventy and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. Right, So I look at these
Speaker 1: people like little Nazacs and it's like, man, it's dope.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're winning, but I'm very sad that
Speaker 1: you're not winning. They're winning. Columbia too earlier because because
Speaker 1: because the war, do you understand that he could have
Speaker 1: signed as much, and also had you could, you know
Speaker 1: what I would have done if I was in I
Speaker 1: would have dropped the old town roll ship. It would
Speaker 1: have gone nuts, which it did without Columbia. And I'm
Speaker 1: with Columbia, but they know what's up. We all know
Speaker 1: what's something. Let's just talk freely. It would have gone
Speaker 1: nuts regardless, so it's going nuts. Then I would have dropped.
Speaker 1: I would have been on my two core. Then I
Speaker 1: would have droped more songs and because of the hype
Speaker 1: of old Time, those songs are just gonna go regardless
Speaker 1: because you're dropping within the moment, so they're gonna go.
Speaker 1: And he's actually like he's melodically uh you know skill,
Speaker 1: So then you do. I want to talk about that
Speaker 1: because that's that's insane and hilarious. But so I would
Speaker 1: have done that and then built up this leverage where
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, I got Old Town Road, but
Speaker 1: I got these other songs, and I would have got
Speaker 1: with Kara, right, I would have got with Carrol Louise,
Speaker 1: and I would have put together a six city because
Speaker 1: my first tour in America was a six city towards
Speaker 1: type of ship, five dat venues, and it's like it
Speaker 1: just sells the whole ship more. Do you know how
Speaker 1: much more money? I don't know what he I really don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he got from Colombia, But do
Speaker 1: you know how much more he would have gotten if
Speaker 1: not only did Old Town Road break these streaming records,
Speaker 1: but then on top of that, you see sold out
Speaker 1: footage from l a New York tech like you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna management. Let no, no, but the guy but
Speaker 1: he didn't do that, let me and let me stop.
Speaker 1: You're an ultimate artist manager. But okay, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to ask sometimes I'm gonna say something that we
Speaker 1: had in our era because I'm a kid that came
Speaker 1: from Miami, from a from a suburb in Miami, had
Speaker 1: no connection the industry. So the way that I got
Speaker 1: connected to the industry was through conventions. Okay. One of
Speaker 1: the conventions that came to Miami made it affordable to
Speaker 1: me was how can I be down? Immediately? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you right now. Yeah, you're preaching the truth
Speaker 1: and everything. Actually, no, he doesn't actually know our error.
Speaker 1: That's what That's why I saw. So what I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm thinking to myself is like, because you're saying,
Speaker 1: these people need to know this, and they need to
Speaker 1: know this and know that you to creative for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for younger cats to learn this and that. Because let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. So I went to how can
Speaker 1: I be down? As it's just hip hop fan a
Speaker 1: kid that just got turntables. Yetive I'm going and luckily
Speaker 1: it's in my city. Now, I will never go there. Right,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I go there and I go
Speaker 1: to the first panel that I could be a part of,
Speaker 1: and I'm ready tie me up. Yeah, and let me
Speaker 1: tell you how. One of the illest things that happened
Speaker 1: to be his panel behind me when the panelists said
Speaker 1: anybody got questions, someone behind me raises their hand and
Speaker 1: ask a question. And it was someone that I was
Speaker 1: the biggest admirer of as a fan, Chuck D of
Speaker 1: Public Enemy raise his hand, ask question? Is going on
Speaker 1: the story what I said, I just say, if he
Speaker 1: is asking a question and I'm fucked, Oh how I'm
Speaker 1: following up that I'm not following. I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: he has questions still in the game. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But see, you know why that's beautiful because at least
Speaker 1: you recognize that that like that self awareness is what
Speaker 1: makes people last to this level. But what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is everything you're saying right now, You guys need to
Speaker 1: do your own hop to night be down for generational purpose.
Speaker 1: You know what you know? You know what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: dumb har love it. You know what I'm doing. Though
Speaker 1: I wrote a book. I heard about the book. I
Speaker 1: got cat at looking at them because this is so
Speaker 1: interesting without it, I wrote a book and you know,
Speaker 1: the Alchemist and everything. So in deepok showber So HarperCollins
Speaker 1: published the book. So how's it calling myself at one
Speaker 1: point Doug Popper, right, I forgot am gonna find yourself
Speaker 1: smoke Chop smoke popo. But the name of the book,
Speaker 1: the name of the book of the book, not now.
Speaker 1: But I've been alive very so the name of the book.
Speaker 1: It's on your head. And that's and and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to give. I'm telling you that, like some it was
Speaker 1: always in me. It was definitely always in me. And
Speaker 1: then when Nipsey passed, it just kind of like reminded
Speaker 1: me of me almost. And it's about what you leave
Speaker 1: behind and what you're just giving. And it's on your head.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a two book. Like I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be an autobiography. High wrote this melody. It's
Speaker 1: not that it's yeah, it's in your head. It's what
Speaker 1: we've been talking about. It's about it's the game, not
Speaker 1: the point. It's about it self belief, and it's about
Speaker 1: these things that anyone can apply to the life and succeed.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give you a how to succeed
Speaker 1: in music one oh one. That's like, it's just not
Speaker 1: applicable to anyone Else's not try to do music, you
Speaker 1: feel me? So I'm trying to. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: get as much as i can at this point, bro,
Speaker 1: because I know that that's what it's about, and so whatever.
Speaker 1: Like now, granted it is my how abrasive and is
Speaker 1: the how he's polishing, for sure, but you know what
Speaker 1: that listen, please do let me tell you, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna give you something. Think about it in the hip
Speaker 1: hop but we were saying earlier, I'm saying listen in
Speaker 1: a different way. Yeah, taught to me cocky. We are
Speaker 1: taught to say that's no. That's why you know what's
Speaker 1: funked up to me? Right? Is that that's how you
Speaker 1: know the consumer has changed drastically. Hip hop is still cocky.
Speaker 1: But the fact that there's now a problem with it,
Speaker 1: let you know that hip hop didn't change the consumer change.
Speaker 1: The consumer became more bitch made because why is me period?
Speaker 1: Well by the NFL would let the Pistons in nineties six,
Speaker 1: come on to bet the consumer is not hip hop? Right?
Speaker 1: This is the real ship. Now this is the no.
Speaker 1: You're getting Matthew from fucking uh he like Nebraska and
Speaker 1: he's twelve years old, Thomas, and why do you all
Speaker 1: have to say the end where we can't say it?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, Rings and y'all are in academics comment
Speaker 1: section and like and so what ends up happening though,
Speaker 1: is that those types, that type of demographic runs the
Speaker 1: Internet sensation, which then the grown ass people move off
Speaker 1: of the Internet sensation, which is moved off of twelve
Speaker 1: year old name Matthew Nebraska who say the end whre
Speaker 1: when they get drunk, and it's like, so you got
Speaker 1: forty year olds. Actually, when you trickle it down far
Speaker 1: enough listening to Matthew Nebraska, it's reverse trickle down economics,
Speaker 1: which sucks balls. So so because one of my favorite
Speaker 1: Instagram posts is when you say it's still money in
Speaker 1: music was one of my favorite, right, But then I
Speaker 1: want you to break down that. I want you to
Speaker 1: also say because then you're saying that there's still money
Speaker 1: in music. If you yeah, then you saw the Staples Center, right,
Speaker 1: So if you can both of those down. If you can't,
Speaker 1: I want to be quiet. Absolutely so still owning. It
Speaker 1: comes down to the tomb. Course it right, And it's
Speaker 1: funny like my first rendition, in my first introduction that
Speaker 1: like hate was every time I would drop a song,
Speaker 1: I would say produced makes master Engineer, written by me,
Speaker 1: because that's what it was. No, they believed it. They
Speaker 1: got annoyed because they took it as bragging. Right, all
Speaker 1: those those right, So I'm really I'm giving credit to
Speaker 1: the roles right of what it takes to make us home.
Speaker 1: So that's where the first hate started coming from. But
Speaker 1: you know, then, was it immediate though? Hate? No, nothing
Speaker 1: is immediate until you're in front of the massages, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like when when the only fans
Speaker 1: like I would say like you're so popping, you don't
Speaker 1: have hands, you don't have haters, Like, you're not popping
Speaker 1: yet until you have hater And it's like I always
Speaker 1: heard that. Ship. I was like that sounds like some
Speaker 1: cliche is like nah, oh yeah, you're popping. You're so popping,
Speaker 1: you don't even have hats What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Every comments be too positive, just like if all off,
Speaker 1: if all of your d M s are positive. Ship
Speaker 1: I was there too. I was like, man, I literally
Speaker 1: have tweets and ship like, I don't think haters exists.
Speaker 1: I think it's all bullshit because I wasn't popping enough yet.
Speaker 1: Like if all of your comments on any need of
Speaker 1: you dropped, it's just all positive. You're just literally not
Speaker 1: popping yet. Is that simple? Because the only people who
Speaker 1: know you are die hard fans. Because if you know
Speaker 1: about any artists when they have ten thousand followers, you
Speaker 1: are just simply a die hard fan. You don't have
Speaker 1: They don't have enough energy that they've exuded themselves for
Speaker 1: you to commit your negative energy to it. You feel
Speaker 1: me so with um without was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: fuck it it is? What it is? What were you
Speaker 1: talking about? No? No, because I want let's go no please,
Speaker 1: I want to touch on it. What was that? No?
Speaker 1: What was the question? THO is a tune caution owning
Speaker 1: this ship, owning see this movie, what we do won't
Speaker 1: be blood again? We drink more? Talking about hold on?
Speaker 1: So now the fans, So you're normal because you don't
Speaker 1: why think you hold it down and think you're to
Speaker 1: preacher And you gotta know that you have fun too,
Speaker 1: and guess guess what? Having fun on the Saturday doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you don't work on Monday through motherfucker's Sunday. That
Speaker 1: doesn't even mean you don't work on Saturday when you
Speaker 1: leave exactly. So now had the tune care ship. It
Speaker 1: was such an amazing thing. I wanted to say, sell stables.
Speaker 1: What was the other caveat of the It was stables
Speaker 1: and then oh, yeah, that doesn't give me enough. But okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: because you know why. This is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: This is the point I'm trying to say. Over there,
Speaker 1: think about that, everybody, because you made me make sense again.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is the average person that
Speaker 1: goes on to yes will probably ever never ever make
Speaker 1: it to the never most like, so the thing is
Speaker 1: hard on but you can't if I'm a kid, right,
Speaker 1: which I was, If I listened to this interview bird's
Speaker 1: eye view and I hear that, I can't internalize that. No, no,
Speaker 1: but this is the thing. This is the difference between
Speaker 1: the other one. The only way the one is that
Speaker 1: if I think I'm the one, the reason why people
Speaker 1: don't realize I didn't think I was the one, you're
Speaker 1: the first one. Like I'm gonna be honest, He's not
Speaker 1: the first one charge generation that I know that did
Speaker 1: it from. Because when people say independent, they mean empire,
Speaker 1: meaning they go to a person who bullshit. Okay, hold
Speaker 1: let me tell you that. Great examples, but the great
Speaker 1: example and not explaining to make it super clear, right,
Speaker 1: when people say independent, they actually mean I'm not signed
Speaker 1: to a major label, but I have empire. Okay, empire.
Speaker 1: Hold on, you know what empire is? Empires. If you
Speaker 1: get enough shame that they upstream you didn't, You're not independent, bro,
Speaker 1: because Atlanta has the Atlantic has the hooks and you
Speaker 1: and the phasing you. I was sitting in the basement
Speaker 1: doing it. So what what this whole what my whole
Speaker 1: ship is about? Bros? Honestly, yes, once I trashed at fourteen,
Speaker 1: for sure, But did I have the belief that superseded
Speaker 1: the skill love at the time to see myself because um,
Speaker 1: this staple center thing. Yes, And that's the key is
Speaker 1: that you have to you have to own every step
Speaker 1: of the way. Yeah, you are trash right now, but
Speaker 1: you have to own that you are that. But you
Speaker 1: also are step tend that you may not even see.
Speaker 1: Right now, let me pick him up a little bit more. No,
Speaker 1: support that. He come on, let me lets me say this,
Speaker 1: you no supporting act because I want to touch on
Speaker 1: that too. And then you was greedy too. You don't
Speaker 1: even bring it. You're like not at tie, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? She was like supporting that. He was
Speaker 1: like and like, you know what's crazy is that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so the dust had settled. Like I said to year,
Speaker 1: we can get it out even more, but the dust
Speaker 1: had settled, and I'm so we're happy with where I'm
Speaker 1: at because, Uh, I rubbed everyone the wrong way and
Speaker 1: I still got there my way. How do you rub
Speaker 1: everyone the wrong way and you still making fours? And
Speaker 1: all that makes me want to say is that is
Speaker 1: fucking idiotic And it doesn't matter so uh doing the stables, man,
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's if y'all wanted me to be humble,
Speaker 1: more humble and a little bit more quiet, you should
Speaker 1: not have let me done that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And the thing we're not having openers just like bro
Speaker 1: artists need to understand that they need to they need
Speaker 1: to map out their audience, and too many artists are
Speaker 1: down to uh, you know, I'll go on tour with
Speaker 1: seven artists and we'll sell out five thousand people. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that all looks great and good and dandy and everything,
Speaker 1: but how many tickets are you good for? How many
Speaker 1: tickets are you good for? Y'all never know because you're
Speaker 1: always a four piece thing. Like I always made it
Speaker 1: a point to myself, like I said earlier, like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to pull myself right. I want to do Staples
Speaker 1: by myself so that I know if I do two
Speaker 1: thousand tickets and that's what I'm good for it. But
Speaker 1: if I do sell out Staples, when I sell out,
Speaker 1: put it like this. Even when I sell out Staples
Speaker 1: and it's me, snooth tie whoever the funk it is,
Speaker 1: it wasn't because of them. And you need that and
Speaker 1: you have to prove it to yourself. And that's my
Speaker 1: whole thing is prove it to yourself, Like all this
Speaker 1: ship what My My debut album is the first album
Speaker 1: ever in hip hop history history to be a produced, mixed,
Speaker 1: massive engineer, written performed by one person, no outside vocals.
Speaker 1: And I've heard all the names, y'all fucking suggest it
Speaker 1: does not take two seconds to just do research that
Speaker 1: person they didn't produce it all. They didn't mix it all.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about engineering, make the whole ship come on.
Speaker 1: Has it sounds perious, but it's like it's like it's like,
Speaker 1: only did I do my whole debut album like that,
Speaker 1: but it went platinum and I had seven songs off
Speaker 1: that album with the Black that has never been done before.
Speaker 1: Not only now, I said, not only was I the
Speaker 1: first and only person in in the history of this
Speaker 1: ship to do every aspect of the music. That's the production,
Speaker 1: the mixing, the mastering, the engineering, when you're in the
Speaker 1: boothe thing's recording, you me, the writing, the sink everything.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one to ever do it. And y'all
Speaker 1: can bullshit just whatever, do the research because they look
Speaker 1: and I love these people's music, the j Coles, the Traffs, Scott,
Speaker 1: that's what they always say. Just it takes two seconds
Speaker 1: to do Google. They didn't, They didn't do everything. Someone
Speaker 1: else might have mixed this one or engineered this one
Speaker 1: of that code tild But I'm just saying, like, listen,
Speaker 1: not listening. I'm not saying that to diminish whatever they're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, don't you have do you not
Speaker 1: dare have the audacity to diminish what I'm doing because
Speaker 1: you can't stomach the fact that it is simply more
Speaker 1: than what these people are doing it. Yeah so, but
Speaker 1: but don't don't diminish what the funk I'm doing because
Speaker 1: the people who do mix and I'll leave my boy
Speaker 1: five with Tie Todd at Scott like ali, um, yeah, liked,
Speaker 1: that's something Like they all they all know what's something.
Speaker 1: They know how much I appreciate it because I do it,
Speaker 1: So I like more than these fucking bozo artists. I
Speaker 1: know what goes into your craft, so I appreciate you
Speaker 1: even more. Let me ask you, let me finish. Let
Speaker 1: me finish a record that you didn't produce. Yea, I've
Speaker 1: done it hundred percent. But it's like it's about selfish
Speaker 1: right now. So after this, yeah, that's all good. So
Speaker 1: so when I'm looking at ship like that, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is the first of its kind. So it's just whatever,
Speaker 1: Like if you don't want to respect it, then you
Speaker 1: respect it. If you don't respect it and you don't
Speaker 1: respect it. But the reality is that this is what
Speaker 1: it is. This is not fuck bragging people thought when
Speaker 1: I was when I was uh, Oh, here's the fucking
Speaker 1: ridiculous thing. When I'm when I'm putting out a song,
Speaker 1: I say produced makes the engineer written by me? Right,
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Now let me put out a song.
Speaker 1: Why have none of those roles? But I don't credit
Speaker 1: to people who do. People will say you can't give
Speaker 1: credit to the producer. Oh wait, hold on, pick a side.
Speaker 1: You got a problem with you crediting producers or you
Speaker 1: don't because I credited the producer on all my catalog
Speaker 1: It just so happened to be me. So you really
Speaker 1: tell me what you have a problem with. You got
Speaker 1: you gotta problem with men? You feel me? What do
Speaker 1: you have a problem with me crediting producers on me
Speaker 1: being that ill you pick? I know what it is,
Speaker 1: but I'll wait for you to own that ship. I
Speaker 1: know what's up because let me put out a song
Speaker 1: that was mixed by that guy, produced by this guy,
Speaker 1: and people say you can't credit him. Oh no, I can,
Speaker 1: and I have. But I thought y'all had a problem
Speaker 1: with that. Oh no, never mind, you just had a
Speaker 1: problem with the fact that I was a starting team
Speaker 1: by myself. That's what you have a problem with, because
Speaker 1: then because it's a mirror. It's a mirror that shows
Speaker 1: you yourself what you are not doing. Because if I'm
Speaker 1: doing five tasks, it puts the mirror on you and asks.
Speaker 1: It makes you ask yourself. Man, I'm only making beest
Speaker 1: now if you're an insecure person to be like, fuck you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do five things? Fuck you? You know why? Because
Speaker 1: you're like, it reminds you what you're not doing. I
Speaker 1: remind you what you're not doing. Usually the drink chance
Speaker 1: is the part of the story where I actually be asked, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, asked, wait, what if we ask if
Speaker 1: you eat? Oh? No, what are you gonna ask? No?
Speaker 1: What we take? You know what I'm trying. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm probing to. No girl could ever like no
Speaker 1: girl if they ever said it's just a lot like
Speaker 1: but no one went like no. But I will say this.
Speaker 1: I will say this. I don't know what happens at forty,
Speaker 1: but I'm twenty six. I'm just saying, like I heard, like,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an older thing thing, so that you
Speaker 1: obviously why anyone if you're a fan of russ at
Speaker 1: this point, you've had every reason to not be a
Speaker 1: fan of me, and the biggest and the only reason
Speaker 1: that matters is peer pressure. Because you have watched every
Speaker 1: peer of yours between fifteen and twenty one or twenties
Speaker 1: say fuck Russ, and so you've had every reason to
Speaker 1: be like you know, you know what ship. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be the one kid of my friend I
Speaker 1: got fans like that all the time. They hit me up, like, man,
Speaker 1: all my friends don't suck people. I folk with you like.
Speaker 1: I love those fans because that shows me that I'm
Speaker 1: making a difference as far as like you're the strong
Speaker 1: one of your friend group. You don't just get moved
Speaker 1: by media bullshit or just peer pressure. You feel me. So, uh,
Speaker 1: I have faith and I know what's up because my
Speaker 1: fans are still here. You had every reason by now
Speaker 1: I'm hand it right to you. Let's attack of dead on.
Speaker 1: IM prom had it right to you. Let's tack ded on.
Speaker 1: Do you think that because if you think, um, if
Speaker 1: you were black, right, yeah, not to say like you
Speaker 1: you want to be black, but if you were black,
Speaker 1: do you think you you'll be Kanye West? Because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, well, I would say this,
Speaker 1: I would say this, and this might get people mad.
Speaker 1: Don't worry I won't get cancer right here. Uh, if
Speaker 1: I was black, more black people would sucking me, but
Speaker 1: less white people were. So the reality is like I'm
Speaker 1: not black, I'm white, so naturally more white people sucking me, right,
Speaker 1: just like if you're you know, it just is what
Speaker 1: it is. People always say, like, you know, and we
Speaker 1: can just address that right now. Uh, you know, being
Speaker 1: white and hip hop and that whole thing. Being white
Speaker 1: and hip hop makes it way easier to reach the masses,
Speaker 1: makes it way harder to reach hip hop, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it just depends on what you
Speaker 1: like if you were only now, if you were using
Speaker 1: hip hop as a vessel to get to the masses,
Speaker 1: then you don't care or that you're white, because you
Speaker 1: aren't trying to reach hip up anyway. You were just
Speaker 1: going for the pop lane. I was always am in
Speaker 1: love with hip hop, So that definitely bothers me, just
Speaker 1: because I understand it and I accept it, and I
Speaker 1: know that by me being white, I'm reaching just the masses,
Speaker 1: but I know that it makes it harder for me
Speaker 1: to reach the people that I wanted to reach and
Speaker 1: that I want to reach. Yeah, And so like I
Speaker 1: understand that I accept that, but like I said, I
Speaker 1: know that if I was black, I would reach more
Speaker 1: black people unless white people thought goes because that was deep.
Speaker 1: You know, listen, listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was probably the most illiest ship I've ever heard. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's serious. I know. It was like, like, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's real, because the thing about it is, sometimes that's
Speaker 1: what I'm metting about lipsey ship. Yeah, sometimes you damn
Speaker 1: if you do. Meaning if you go to the hood,
Speaker 1: certain type of it means you gotta keep up. You're
Speaker 1: in the hood. Yeah, people, but if you don't go
Speaker 1: to the hoodood and that's also a certain type of
Speaker 1: imagy that I keep up too. So sometimes you can't win. No,
Speaker 1: you lose either way. You lose either way, and that
Speaker 1: that's the crazy ship is. We just talked about your
Speaker 1: luxurious life and everything that's good, but in that form,
Speaker 1: sometimes you lose, lose. And that's why it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: what I bank on is truth, and I bank on
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm gonna die at some point. That's reality.
Speaker 1: It's not everyone's gonna die. How did we get here? Well? No,
Speaker 1: but now listen, listen, you are that's just beautiful. That's
Speaker 1: just beautiful. You believe that that's what it is actually
Speaker 1: gonna happen because you have left behind ship that extends
Speaker 1: your body. I would say, like, I'm everyone, I'm omnipresent
Speaker 1: because y'all listening to me in Australia without me being there.
Speaker 1: But I am there because my music transcending my body.
Speaker 1: So now my soul is just permeating throughout the world
Speaker 1: and the ethos of it. So I know him a die.
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to leave behind the truth because
Speaker 1: the truth will transcend all the hoop blond, the bullshit
Speaker 1: that happens in between the six months that the interview
Speaker 1: goes out, y'all will start yelling and y'all will have
Speaker 1: your whole think piece about reasons why russ should beat
Speaker 1: that all these like because you're or just like just insane.
Speaker 1: Just ask if y'all got one people thinking I'm close
Speaker 1: to Luminati. I'm started to think me too. I start
Speaker 1: I just left that we're gonna have calendar, that's why
Speaker 1: he's going on. I'm I'll start playing with people like
Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous. Yeah, So it's just like, it's
Speaker 1: not ridiculous. I think it's whatever. Honestly, that's how y'all
Speaker 1: know that I'm definitely not because I think it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And I also like when mother fucker sent me d
Speaker 1: M is like, yo, please just watch out for this.
Speaker 1: He's like, Yo, okay, that one was not good. That
Speaker 1: one was not good. Question. No, I'm like, bro, like,
Speaker 1: you have got to stop, you know, wanting d NT
Speaker 1: and watching Netflix and going down the round YouTube. If
Speaker 1: a person say that you're yeah, I'll take it as
Speaker 1: a complement. That just means that I am so winning
Speaker 1: that you can't comprehend it that you have to talk
Speaker 1: about and imaginary you're will positive than me. When I
Speaker 1: think about that, I'm saying that you wanted to piss
Speaker 1: on the fucking sneakers like I don't even want to.
Speaker 1: I want to piss on the ankles like song still
Speaker 1: like dry and it's an is up because I'm like, yo, like,
Speaker 1: do you understand how hard I work? Like I'm the
Speaker 1: first person here, the last person? Like what you do?
Speaker 1: Want to take it with everything? See what I did?
Speaker 1: You beat me here today? You just made it is
Speaker 1: going to change the game. Okay, let's change. Here's the analogy.
Speaker 1: The industry plant of today. It's synonymous with the Illuminati
Speaker 1: of the old head. Absolutely absolutely as bullshit as it is.
Speaker 1: Illuminati is actually more bullshit. Industry plan is based on something,
Speaker 1: but it's it's that same. It's so successful that it
Speaker 1: must have to do with something. Now before before you
Speaker 1: say anything, this, this is my little saying. Just slow
Speaker 1: it out there and it's done. Please do another around
Speaker 1: the tiger bombs too. Tiger bone can say bombs or
Speaker 1: some rum in your elbow, something, my manifesting something. So
Speaker 1: what I this is what I say. This is what
Speaker 1: I say. The conspiracy is the conspiracy. Wow, I like that, chick.
Speaker 1: I think it's great. What's the mad great? Just gotta
Speaker 1: say deep, I'm now you gotta get because now you
Speaker 1: pisscard me to know we're gonna take Pistre already shots
Speaker 1: he go birth hold on Now it's not told the Wow,
Speaker 1: So my dog, I think he's here. Oh he's back there,
Speaker 1: So show Park is still alive. And don't Donald's drop crazy.
Speaker 1: They got a bit too. If you watching a roll
Speaker 1: out of all the deliberation, that's what you left with
Speaker 1: as a segway, yea, so always amazing. My dog is
Speaker 1: always got two bucks, a live Bucks two bucks and
Speaker 1: trained dat boy the Flyers. I didn't be one when
Speaker 1: he was alive. So I would like to meet Hibody's dad.
Speaker 1: I always I always tell my dog the conspiracy is
Speaker 1: a conspiracy. I'm not mad at that because I'm kind
Speaker 1: of into that. They will always feed you something else,
Speaker 1: confused the ship out of you, absolutely, so you'd be like, nah,
Speaker 1: this is it, and then y'all it distracted me from
Speaker 1: the truth. That's a lie. You like the Cuban dr
Speaker 1: C taking a pitch cut version, I'm going right after that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't don't. We called my pa outside its Dominican doll
Speaker 1: like like I can seg picking up paren cimvil that
Speaker 1: that he's happening. Are we recording right now the bathroom
Speaker 1: with a laser on the head. Somebody has a laser
Speaker 1: and it's not happening. Let me know what we're recording,
Speaker 1: because I honestly do want to just take a second
Speaker 1: the big upcare and silver for sure. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what the crazy thing is. Yes, we're ready, we'll be good,
Speaker 1: rolling room, get it and we're back in this Hey,
Speaker 1: guitar sponsors charmon, I mean this bottle least? How do
Speaker 1: you shut off? Play? Hold on? But how did they
Speaker 1: get this copyright? Because because there are best oh you know, hello,
Speaker 1: that's something like that's something like your best but there
Speaker 1: was shut up, Come on, friends, I don't know y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all mutual friends don't know yet give me that ye yo,
Speaker 1: shout out to h the best liqudrink. You're not, but
Speaker 1: I do want to, Yeah, yeah, yes, perfect typing can
Speaker 1: civil is an absolute superhero, not super woman, not super
Speaker 1: man superhero. Wats how crazy this is? It was one
Speaker 1: of those things like a booking agent Carroll Lewis that
Speaker 1: I always I knew because I studied the behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: I didn't like, yeah, you were rapping, you were making
Speaker 1: the beats, but who is doing everything else? Right? So
Speaker 1: I studied that. So Karen Sivil, like I, we knew
Speaker 1: about her pretty early on. So my best friend who
Speaker 1: I started diving with, which is d I E M
Speaker 1: O N Dude Everyday Music, And I think it was
Speaker 1: a company we started when we were seventeen, because honestly
Speaker 1: started as the website we were tried to put them
Speaker 1: songs on media fire. We wanted to just you get
Speaker 1: it from our website, not media fire, right, So that's
Speaker 1: how I started. Then it turned into a logo and
Speaker 1: close in this right um, which is why we always
Speaker 1: funk with Nipsey because it was like we saw we
Speaker 1: saw the same ship Um solen Um Warren Californio. We
Speaker 1: go to Nipsey shop. I'm eighteen, he's eighteen. Uh. We
Speaker 1: buy clothes like that's a funny story, but the math. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we go to the store that store. Bookis had on
Speaker 1: a hoodie, all red hoodie with a big bee on it,
Speaker 1: and I had on black air Force ones with red laces.
Speaker 1: And we pull up and right before we get out
Speaker 1: of the car and what're seventeen eighteen? We don't know,
Speaker 1: Like we're just moving off the music and we're like yo.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you got a something called blue laces.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's probably a great idea to go
Speaker 1: in with red laces. So so so we go in there.
Speaker 1: Booky stays off the hoodies. There's like a black teeth
Speaker 1: and I take out the liss my air Force ones
Speaker 1: and we go in. But it was such a cool
Speaker 1: memory for me because like Black Sam was there and everything,
Speaker 1: and it was just like it was dope, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? It was it was we saw a
Speaker 1: lot of ourselves in that and it was such an
Speaker 1: inspiration um the story itself, the Storytelf and just the
Speaker 1: fact of branding yourself and making it bigger than you. Like.
Speaker 1: So we had Diamond that that was what was the
Speaker 1: original ship. Oh, Karen Civil. So that was so boosts.
Speaker 1: Older brother Jinior is doing ship with tech, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So we go out to l A
Speaker 1: for a couple of months, like September to October, and
Speaker 1: we're just going to the guys station and this is September.
Speaker 1: We're going to the guys station. We see Karen Civil.
Speaker 1: But to recognize that it's Karen Civil, Yeah, takes. That's
Speaker 1: what the trick is because a lot of y'all don't
Speaker 1: recognize when your blessing is right in front of you
Speaker 1: because y'all don't do enough education. You mostly want the
Speaker 1: person that's in front of the camera, the person. Most
Speaker 1: of y'all think that until I see Drake in person,
Speaker 1: I am not successful. You don't realize that. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: we saw Karen Civil in at the gas station and
Speaker 1: we were like we hopped out, got pictures, just set
Speaker 1: what's up there? Whatever? And I remember I during her
Speaker 1: on Twitter like yeah, I met the guess checking on
Speaker 1: music like badgering, and I still like play around with
Speaker 1: her on that like yo, were here from the gas station.
Speaker 1: But she used to like hit me back every once
Speaker 1: in a while, like I know we met at the
Speaker 1: gay station like basically shut up, you know. But I
Speaker 1: was persistent, and the second I got uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I started living this life and and everything happened the
Speaker 1: way it happened. I was like, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: Karen Civil because she's been an idol to me as
Speaker 1: far as that world for so long. Now that I have,
Speaker 1: you are already successful when I met her. Nothing I'm
Speaker 1: saying four or five years past before I actually hired her.
Speaker 1: How were you? What were you successful at that point
Speaker 1: you hired? When I hired her, Yeah, I hired it
Speaker 1: like last year. I'm saying you, Yeah, I know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. To recognize her when you have eight hundred followers,
Speaker 1: let you know that my head was not only on
Speaker 1: who was making the hits, it was who was doing
Speaker 1: everything around. But that's what I'm saying that when you're successful,
Speaker 1: it's also ingenious of yourself. Thank you just to recognize
Speaker 1: that well, because I didn't. I didn't forget once it
Speaker 1: got successful. She was always kind of in the back
Speaker 1: of my head like a Carrol Lewis was where it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm assemble a team, like a dream team, Like I
Speaker 1: got the music unlock. I got it. Now whatever comes
Speaker 1: from that, like now I'm working with boy one in stories,
Speaker 1: like whatever naturally comes from that is cool. But I
Speaker 1: got that unlock. If not now these other components, I
Speaker 1: need someone who can just rebound. I need someone who
Speaker 1: can just etcetera. So I always had a can Civil
Speaker 1: and a Carrol Loose in the back of my mind.
Speaker 1: But um cancer was just a superhero. She she right
Speaker 1: with the mac Miller ship, insane, insane from what it
Speaker 1: was said, I don't whatever, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the long thing. But she found the body, right, that's
Speaker 1: what that That's what I said, but definitely don't quote
Speaker 1: me on it. But regardless of that happened to that,
Speaker 1: she was Hella close with him. So she loses him
Speaker 1: within six months. You lose Nipsey another close friend and
Speaker 1: for you to still put on. The event you put
Speaker 1: on is you're a superhero. You feel me like you're
Speaker 1: just a superhero. So there's nothing short of a praise
Speaker 1: that she's you know what I mean, Like there's it's
Speaker 1: just a superhero thing. Because to to take the pain
Speaker 1: and to flip it in triumph and and recognize as
Speaker 1: bigger than you is. It's so I remember when I
Speaker 1: told her that, because I'm going to give the roses
Speaker 1: while they're here. So that's a period your platinum debut albums,
Speaker 1: seventh certified songs on the album, and merce hip hop
Speaker 1: artists to ever go platinum on their debut album completely
Speaker 1: self produced, written, mixed, and mastered entirely. Yes, And then
Speaker 1: that's some fucking incredible ship. I'm gonna be honest. I
Speaker 1: know you know you're crazy as the motherfucker because because
Speaker 1: listen to right rhymes, you gotta be insane. To right rhymes,
Speaker 1: you gotta be insane. And when I stood with Swiss Beat,
Speaker 1: Swiss Beasts was the first producer that I went in
Speaker 1: the studio with and I realized that in order for
Speaker 1: you to make beats, you also got to be crazy
Speaker 1: as well. Because because Swiss we played me some Ship
Speaker 1: sometimes and I'll be in a student with him. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: but this is my rhyme. And the Siss to be like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: you got your rhyme already, bro, And I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1: And with Primo that was normal what everyone else does.
Speaker 1: But you know me and Swiss. You know, I think
Speaker 1: I'm a year older than Swiss. I think I'm forty one.
Speaker 1: I think Swiss is forty. So um, when we're in
Speaker 1: and the Swiss will had to make the rhyme to me.
Speaker 1: So Swiss kept going so was he was he doing
Speaker 1: the d t or raps where you rapp into the D. No.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm trying to say is working with
Speaker 1: Swiss because I was I had the rhymes already roll,
Speaker 1: so I kept doing it. So how we got from
Speaker 1: Bad from TV was but the se So how he
Speaker 1: got from you know, that's how we got Bad from TV?
Speaker 1: But all five of us was. What happened was, Um,
Speaker 1: I did a song called I'm Leaving on the Firm
Speaker 1: album and it was actually Nature's session. It was Nature's
Speaker 1: song everything. But I was the dude that I always
Speaker 1: had rhymes in my ship. So when I walked in
Speaker 1: the studio, Dr dre said you gotta rhyme and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I walked in Late Diverse. But the
Speaker 1: whole time I'm like, yo, this is Nature's session. Any
Speaker 1: other dudes would be like, he's a fucking thick faces.
Speaker 1: This is my session. Why would you say you gotta
Speaker 1: rhyme with Dr Dreke says do you have a rhyme?
Speaker 1: Because it's Dr dre'diot. You know what I'm saying? You
Speaker 1: know what? So I right, I ain't asked anybody if
Speaker 1: he was cool. You know session? You like, yo, Yo,
Speaker 1: you got you know JayR s and Jay look you
Speaker 1: gotta rob Like usually dude was wanted to say it
Speaker 1: was the cool I showed j but I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: my dude, I'm cool. He asked me, I'm going in
Speaker 1: boom I went, and I said, no, we know this,
Speaker 1: we know that. No, you know why I can make
Speaker 1: your rays and I swear I killed it in the
Speaker 1: first tape. But I think Dr Dream was so much
Speaker 1: like a perfectionist. He was like, just do it one
Speaker 1: one time, and I was like, no problem, And I
Speaker 1: did it one one time boom. So my thing was
Speaker 1: to pay to pay nature back from our head because
Speaker 1: I don't gonna lie. In my mind, I might have
Speaker 1: said you here. So that's how Bad from TV got created.
Speaker 1: It was because I had the whole rhymes with Swiss.
Speaker 1: Getting back to what I was trying to tell you,
Speaker 1: I had these rhymes with Swiss and we had the record,
Speaker 1: but then we had to squeeze in nature. So nature
Speaker 1: he didn't like anything at me and Swiss had laid
Speaker 1: down prior to that, and then at this point I
Speaker 1: almost giving up. I was like, damn, man, so you
Speaker 1: said you squeezed in nature because of what happened before,
Speaker 1: because he didn't hate on so I'm trying to squeeze
Speaker 1: him in, but he don't like nothing that me and
Speaker 1: Swiss trying. So I'm almost like, man, this is not
Speaker 1: gonna work out. So at the very last end, this
Speaker 1: has been crazy. That's why band from TV work was
Speaker 1: part of Hit Me Again. It was like where you at?
Speaker 1: And I was like in the studio, punch just hung up.
Speaker 1: You never asked me where. I never asked me where
Speaker 1: because he just had to connect on me. He always
Speaker 1: knew all my friends around that he didn't care about,
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't even know what fucking motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So um, So what happens is Swiss switches the beat
Speaker 1: and it's the band from TV. Be So I don't
Speaker 1: I can't say I don't like to be I just
Speaker 1: I didn't love to be the first, but nature went
Speaker 1: right in. Just lady. So what happens is Pun walks
Speaker 1: in the studio at that same time, and we're all
Speaker 1: chilling whatever whatever. I go to the bathroom. I'm going
Speaker 1: down stands and smoke a cigarette because I always I
Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes at the time and I hated to smell
Speaker 1: a cigarettes, which is which is weird. And I came
Speaker 1: back and punted head just laid his verse, and I
Speaker 1: was just like to the engineer, funck boy, what the
Speaker 1: fox wants? The engineers looking at me like you wanted
Speaker 1: me to tell him this is a different engine there.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at like but in my mind, pun
Speaker 1: killed the verse. But I also have to have my respect.
Speaker 1: This is MYRS, but this is my session, so I
Speaker 1: gotta be a little cocky. I'm gonna be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: why the fund you did that? But that's what the
Speaker 1: fucking the way bad from TV happened, your rust man. Listen,
Speaker 1: we got more salute the last one salute, But let
Speaker 1: me just say that was a bad one as well,
Speaker 1: not as bad as the previous. I don't think we're
Speaker 1: venturing into Yeah, okay, let me just tell you I admire.
Speaker 1: This is where I'm got to not let anything back.
Speaker 1: But I really really admire zilious. It was zilious. I
Speaker 1: really admire how so many artists, so many people who
Speaker 1: was in your same position, we have not only gave up, oh,
Speaker 1: they would have failed. They would have gave up miserably
Speaker 1: because they would their whole life would have been ruined.
Speaker 1: And I know I actually listened a certain way before.
Speaker 1: But so you when you first start making money, when
Speaker 1: is that point where you like, this is it for me?
Speaker 1: I have to stay here because you know what it was?
Speaker 1: Uh it? Once again, I think that it wasn't the
Speaker 1: point and it was so it wasn't a money thing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a point. It was it was more of
Speaker 1: uh in emotion, like because my parents were we got
Speaker 1: to a place where well, my brother had a fiance,
Speaker 1: my sister wasn't was going to school, was going to college,
Speaker 1: and it was me, my mom and my dad in
Speaker 1: the house and this is uh right, So this is
Speaker 1: like I remember, we moved around a lot, and I
Speaker 1: always look at for myself, my personal life and my moments.
Speaker 1: I looked back at the houses I lived in throughout
Speaker 1: Georgia as like these um bullet points for my musical career.
Speaker 1: So I remember moving to that house. Uh. Um it
Speaker 1: was a smaller it was a smaller house. We kept
Speaker 1: uh downsizing, which like with my dad's pride and everything naturally,
Speaker 1: because I remember having that conversation with him where he
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I'm I'm not supposed to be going backwards.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. So we started going backwards. So
Speaker 1: we end up to this place. But I remember moving
Speaker 1: there to the smaller to the smallest house we had,
Speaker 1: and it was, um, it was like, man, uh, but
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the house that I blew up in.
Speaker 1: I remember saying that on the sidewalk and post the
Speaker 1: house with my mom. I remember saying it, and I
Speaker 1: was it was so I was now was when I
Speaker 1: was twenty one. We I was twenty one because I
Speaker 1: turned twenty two that year in September, So I was.
Speaker 1: I know I was for short doing music, but there
Speaker 1: was nothing in my present day life to co sign
Speaker 1: my belief and people need to understand that you need
Speaker 1: to operate off a delusion most of the time because
Speaker 1: no delusion, but like you have to find, you have
Speaker 1: to find the delusion. It's it's whatever you right, it's faith,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, it's it's faith in
Speaker 1: the delusion. So I remember just being like, it's just
Speaker 1: gonna work and that's it, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear anything about it. She's just gonna work. And I
Speaker 1: was it is, it's me. But it's also when I
Speaker 1: was five and my brother was a year older than me,
Speaker 1: and my dad was always our basketball coach at the
Speaker 1: rack and the wine type of ship, and you know,
Speaker 1: me always wanted to play with the older kids, and like,
Speaker 1: I just always wanted it. I just always I always
Speaker 1: wanted to prove to myself that I was really, really dope.
Speaker 1: And doesn't maybe even stem off of an insecurity probably
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Probably probably, But if that
Speaker 1: insecurity fuelled self love and fueled self exploration, then I'll
Speaker 1: take it. Then I'll then I'll bite that's be bumped
Speaker 1: if I find the fast length, you feel me? So, uh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to prove to myself that I was as
Speaker 1: great as I was. You feel me when I was
Speaker 1: talking myself up in my room when I was eighteen
Speaker 1: and one, like man, nothing has happened yet, no song
Speaker 1: is blown up, but I'm sucking ill. Like I would
Speaker 1: say to myself in my head, I would believe it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just saying. It was feeling how you feel
Speaker 1: being the illness. And so when it happened, right, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't this oh my god surprise. It almost felt overdue,
Speaker 1: which is why you end up chasing this imaginary thing
Speaker 1: because if I always feel put it like this. I
Speaker 1: have wanted Grammy in my head so many times that
Speaker 1: when I went to Grammy, it won't feel as special
Speaker 1: as if I wasn't expecting you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because I've wanted like I went platinum on my debuts
Speaker 1: so many times in my head before it happened that
Speaker 1: when it did happen, I was just kind of like
Speaker 1: our time, Motherfucker's are slow. Was kind of robbed myself
Speaker 1: of how great the moment is. But the antithesis of
Speaker 1: that is that it also allows me to stay hungry,
Speaker 1: because if my quench of thirst if my thirsty plays
Speaker 1: right there with the platinum debut, I always want to
Speaker 1: platinum debut album. Now I gotta platinum debut album. If
Speaker 1: that right there, quench my thirst And guess what, I
Speaker 1: got rich and I stopped trying, and I'm this. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here in on ount of my business. But the
Speaker 1: reality is that I was me before y'all realized I
Speaker 1: was me. So by the time y'all recognized I was me,
Speaker 1: I was off me. I was onto a new me.
Speaker 1: So now y'all got to catch up to this different version.
Speaker 1: What's my man? That do the plays? He was on
Speaker 1: Kurbie Enthusiasmanda, I see legendary. Who's that? What's the name
Speaker 1: the Hamilton's do? That does Hamilton's? I mean, if you
Speaker 1: the thing about it this he was the first reporter,
Speaker 1: Larry David, So he's the first guy to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna do a play Hamilton's over, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it in the hip hop that's hard.
Speaker 1: He was the first one that did it, so everyone
Speaker 1: hated him right for the first five, six, seven years. Again,
Speaker 1: let's get deep. It was out there so and that's
Speaker 1: what that's what I'm saying that's what you're mommy of me,
Speaker 1: because like I just feel like nothing this anybody, but
Speaker 1: like you're kind of like you saw a vision that
Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't see. And if you
Speaker 1: was to say it like yo, smarter than everybody can
Speaker 1: come off. But if I was just saying like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what's fucked up is that? Wasn't this based
Speaker 1: off of cockiness? Let me ask, Let me ask two
Speaker 1: fold a question. Wasn't this based off of the culture
Speaker 1: the culture? Wasn't it based off of I felt commedia,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to my ship. Okay, So it's two folds.
Speaker 1: So then the second fold is like, Okay, let's say
Speaker 1: it's not based off of that. Right, Let's for conversations
Speaker 1: like absolutely disagree with Let's say it's not based off
Speaker 1: of that. Let's say, what are these artists now who
Speaker 1: are twenty twenty one who they're cocky, but not about
Speaker 1: hip hop, not about the craft. They're cocky about getting
Speaker 1: high or buying gucci or buying So y'all are cocky
Speaker 1: about being, uh, you don't work with gay people, but
Speaker 1: y'all are cocky about wearing gay people's clothes who don't
Speaker 1: sunk with you. So how does how does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Because you gotta understand that I'm cocky about self sufficiency
Speaker 1: only my master's producing, mixing everything. I'm cocky about selling
Speaker 1: our Staples center with no openers and selling hard tickets
Speaker 1: and owner my ship. Y'all are cocky about rocking gay
Speaker 1: people's clothes, and you say you don't work with gay people.
Speaker 1: Y'all are how do you not work with gay people?
Speaker 1: Gay people are the endness. Y'all are wearing their clothes
Speaker 1: I know about. How do y'all say that that's insane
Speaker 1: when you actually think about the The mental facory of
Speaker 1: that is that you have a culture of people who say,
Speaker 1: I don't don't funk with gay people, but I just
Speaker 1: wear all of their clothes. How fucking insane are you?
Speaker 1: That's why I don't listen to anything those people are
Speaker 1: talking about. They are so lost, they don't know they're lost.
Speaker 1: They are. They are so caught in fuckory that they
Speaker 1: think fuckers where they're from. It's I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about any of those people. But I got something bigger.
Speaker 1: I got something bigger. Bro let me respect from New
Speaker 1: York City. Every year in the playoffs, maybe twelve fifteen
Speaker 1: years Michael Jordan's came and destroyed us, and destroyed what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you. I hated Michael Jordan my
Speaker 1: whole life, but I also loved Michael Jordan's and I
Speaker 1: also loved his Kicks. So the thing is, I could
Speaker 1: hate what you actually do, but if I really love
Speaker 1: what you're doing, I'm not a hater. The thing is,
Speaker 1: sometimes when I find out that Michael Jordan owns private
Speaker 1: prisons and things like that, it hurts me. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: when the New Sevens come out, really not that's real though,
Speaker 1: that's real, that's real. I wanted me to do you
Speaker 1: want me to lie? Not this stream? Chance is it not?
Speaker 1: It's not to say, let's get ain't going to trust
Speaker 1: agree with you? It's not. And it's not about about
Speaker 1: you know it's about to come up. You know. Line
Speaker 1: was about you know what my line was my life
Speaker 1: was I'm from New York. It's not gonna get me kids,
Speaker 1: but it's in my line, my people, I'm from New York.
Speaker 1: This is my line. Listen, it's my line. I'm from
Speaker 1: New York. Still I'll be hating the Knicks and Jordan's,
Speaker 1: but still I'll be rocking his kids. That was give
Speaker 1: up that I don't see because I'm real about I
Speaker 1: not like you because you killed my knicks and you
Speaker 1: killed it. But if you watch some look there right now,
Speaker 1: I'm sing with your n's like those is all showing
Speaker 1: the camera, showing the camera. Come everyone with the camera.
Speaker 1: I ain't let me even see these. They literally their
Speaker 1: nineteen hunting. I'm gonna stand on the table. No, no,
Speaker 1: put your feet up. It's okay, it's okay, we've done
Speaker 1: it before. Look it. Let it do. Come on, take
Speaker 1: a picture. Do all type of ship because that I
Speaker 1: ain't never seen those. I don't even know what those is.
Speaker 1: On the low. Those is hard on. Let me not.
Speaker 1: Let me know when y'all snap, they look expensive. He
Speaker 1: was like, you were just like meeting with DJ Kalik.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it out there. Oh yeah, I gotta relax.
Speaker 1: We're gonna say to you what were we saying? What?
Speaker 1: Hold on? Can't I would say, you're about being cancels
Speaker 1: figuring out how about hate? It talks about hate, talking
Speaker 1: about that minute he was gonna come in some good
Speaker 1: ship than go on your man, I reckon, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Jordan. Jordan's like guys sometimes like a funk with
Speaker 1: something that I don't funk with, like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me find out. I just added, I'm about throwing
Speaker 1: kicks said for New York still hates the kid, but
Speaker 1: Jordan's still be backing his kicks sometimes it sounds like
Speaker 1: a great rap song. Guy, y'all honestly don't want me
Speaker 1: to because that's going to get cancer. That's gonna kiss
Speaker 1: me off. So I need to remember that. That was
Speaker 1: so hard. What was he was talking about where like
Speaker 1: I was, he was saying something about wearing clothes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said he would never say this, and then bomb
Speaker 1: never happens again. I can just start talking up what
Speaker 1: the reality is that? All right? We were talking about
Speaker 1: the designers that people wear and used the flex for
Speaker 1: their own uh self improvement with their flexing designers. You
Speaker 1: don't like them, and and that's insane, that's insane. That's
Speaker 1: what I went to a Pierre you Weet party time.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but this is definitely no but you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's crazy. Let me let me
Speaker 1: segway this. Sorry, I'm segway into a bigger topic now.
Speaker 1: Whatever we're about to talking about try about that last
Speaker 1: twenty seconds, the realities. I've talked to artists who didn't
Speaker 1: understand the power in merch and owning their merch and
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I was like, you don't understand.
Speaker 1: You're on i G Stories every day. I just spent
Speaker 1: thirty at Gucci. I just spent You're giving Gucci and
Speaker 1: Louis And, like I said, a lot of people who
Speaker 1: don't funk with you, right, who unless you have the
Speaker 1: accolades and status you have. But that's I'll get in
Speaker 1: that next. But you're out here giving them promotion. I
Speaker 1: was like, you're selling Gucci and proud of for them
Speaker 1: and they're not even paying you. You're actually paying them
Speaker 1: thirty thousand to shop from the story. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: the reason why merchant is beautiful is because you love clothes, right,
Speaker 1: you love fashion, rock your own ship. So now all
Speaker 1: the same I G stories. You're rocking your ship. You're
Speaker 1: rocking Rocket Feller, You're rocking whatever the funk it is.
Speaker 1: You're rocking your ship. And the same people who you
Speaker 1: would have directed towards Gucci, you're not directing towards yourself
Speaker 1: because you realize that people don't care about the brand.
Speaker 1: They care about who's selling. It's been around. He's sold
Speaker 1: charged clothes, church closing. That nigg is the less because
Speaker 1: he answered he serves church close. Nigger. That was all.
Speaker 1: But it's like respected, that was weird. Well well yeah,
Speaker 1: but when the church collection in the church, is that
Speaker 1: not weird? Standing the same selling? Yeah, that's superta. I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking of some bulls. But church collection, which is
Speaker 1: the lookers church collection. You don't sell your church collection.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold because you said merchant. Hold on, you said,
Speaker 1: you said he you shouldn't be selling church clothes. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't be No, don't sell the church game at all. Okay,
Speaker 1: I hear you. So let's be there, let's go there,
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm not selling church close. However, I believe
Speaker 1: that people are only gonna be down for and accept
Speaker 1: whatever you accept for yourself. So if you decide to
Speaker 1: sell church close, guess what the consumer who is ienas
Speaker 1: gonna do buying church close. So now the buys a
Speaker 1: lot some of the some of the service, the devil.
Speaker 1: It would it would sound crazy. That's like the reality
Speaker 1: is that dumbasses. The consumer. The consumer reacts gat to
Speaker 1: controlled like idiots that. Yeah, but so when it happens,
Speaker 1: then you have to not hold the but you can't
Speaker 1: controy your fans. Let me trying to get the most.
Speaker 1: You know what, I look at you, you know you
Speaker 1: know what. I know that because you don't want that sometimes,
Speaker 1: because sometimes it's crazy. The thing about it is, sometimes
Speaker 1: we don't want a product. It's just like you said,
Speaker 1: you ate was the sixteen year old, the fourteen year
Speaker 1: old that was. I didn't say that. I didn't let
Speaker 1: me go on taking drugs. Let me finish ye you
Speaker 1: want to care you said, you said, you said, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I said that old wrong. But you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Your shirt, huh, your shirt was for them
Speaker 1: to prevct this. What I'm saying is that shirt was
Speaker 1: for them to prevent that right, for them to the
Speaker 1: fourteen year olds, for them to prevent the stipping lane.
Speaker 1: You know all that I'm drinking lean, but you know,
Speaker 1: you know who that audience hit. It was hitting everybody
Speaker 1: who was on lean, everybody who was your peers, not
Speaker 1: to people who you was trying to speak that was
Speaker 1: younger than you, that's coming up. That's who was trying
Speaker 1: to save their lives. But the message actually hit you know,
Speaker 1: the little verbs and all these guys, everybody who wanted
Speaker 1: to say, what the fun is? God thinks he's better
Speaker 1: than us. Because so that's the point I was trying
Speaker 1: to make. I hate all. No, no, no, I respect that.
Speaker 1: I respect picture no. We went in man, you know,
Speaker 1: let me just say something. What I got. I think
Speaker 1: I got about one more question? Bro got anybody else
Speaker 1: got got way more answers. Let's go and and And
Speaker 1: that's the thing about you, um is so many people
Speaker 1: think that's your stand offish m hm. You want to
Speaker 1: know why. That's beautiful because I would rather be assumed
Speaker 1: I don't funk with you than I do funk with you.
Speaker 1: That's real one of your famous ships, because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't work with y'all. And if I do funk
Speaker 1: with y'all, you will know. Like the crazy thing is,
Speaker 1: like I love twenty nineteen right now because I'm working
Speaker 1: with people, and like I was always down to work
Speaker 1: with people, but I was just I was selective, Like
Speaker 1: I said, I wasn't doing collaps for the points like
Speaker 1: I have to like your music. I don't like him music.
Speaker 1: I'm not making a song with you. Like I still
Speaker 1: because I have that financial freedom that the independent Catalog
Speaker 1: gives me. I'm not doing it off of the check.
Speaker 1: So I'm doing it off of like do I actually
Speaker 1: funk with you? If I don't actually work with you
Speaker 1: and whatever you're saying, I'm not doing it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: We're looking for your're sitting over here, but it's not good.
Speaker 1: But that's what that's what it was about. So I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm moving off of this, like I funk with you.
Speaker 1: It's not a matter of anything else. Know, you're setting
Speaker 1: up something so great because you know what it is.
Speaker 1: That's my taste. You know, you know what my taste.
Speaker 1: I just want to taste. Like when you look at
Speaker 1: like you see those artists who hundred dollars for the
Speaker 1: feature today, only it's like it's like, YO, find a
Speaker 1: different hustle. You feel me because it's like you're out
Speaker 1: here just you're diminishing your own value of your ideas
Speaker 1: because you're wrapping and singing or whatever you're offering. It's
Speaker 1: a it's such a creative and tangible thing that you're
Speaker 1: offering that you don't even put a price on it.
Speaker 1: In general, is trash. Let them alone a hundred dollars, Like,
Speaker 1: now you're all you're doing is if you're letting the
Speaker 1: consumer know that you're not wor ship but a hundred
Speaker 1: dollars your own staffs Now, this is this is This
Speaker 1: is a crazy thing that's happening in our community right now.
Speaker 1: So many people are calling other people culture voters. Have
Speaker 1: been called a culture vote because I'm like, let me
Speaker 1: talk on that too, because the one needs to hear
Speaker 1: this ship too, and white people are gonna get piste off.
Speaker 1: But it is what it is. First of all, when
Speaker 1: need to we need to address a certain thing. I'm
Speaker 1: just waiting for my queer and I hit the mic,
Speaker 1: so now we'll start. First of all, we need to
Speaker 1: address a certain thing. Culture is an euphemism for black.
Speaker 1: That's what we need to first get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Because when you're in a room with the Columbia or
Speaker 1: an r C A or public or whatever you label
Speaker 1: yat um, it's really four. This is the other guy
Speaker 1: for what's four houses. They own every other label which
Speaker 1: is owned by that. You think you're signed to r
Speaker 1: C A and not Columbia Yellow Boast, You're signed it
Speaker 1: Sony exactly right. So boom. Alright, so I need rocket fello,
Speaker 1: doesn't not your floor elevators and the cubicles instead of
Speaker 1: the same way. That's why I know who do. But
Speaker 1: the reality is that culture is euphemism for black because,
Speaker 1: like I said, when you're in those offices and you no,
Speaker 1: let me, let me just do the whole point. When
Speaker 1: you're in those rooms where it's a long table. You
Speaker 1: watch all the white people who play softballs on Sundays
Speaker 1: use the words culture in the words urban as euphemisms
Speaker 1: for black because they say this is gonna be great
Speaker 1: for the urban audience, and this is gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Is it inappropriate for them to say the black audience?
Speaker 1: But I don't know, and I want you to continue
Speaker 1: because your own point. Yeah, what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is I think that it's been enterchangeable with Latinos too,
Speaker 1: like when they wanted to be Latin. You know, it's
Speaker 1: Latino when it's not sure. But hip hop, no, I agree,
Speaker 1: it's when it's convenient, right, And so that's yeah. But
Speaker 1: hip hop was started by black people as an intenthesis
Speaker 1: to white dominance and white bullshit. You feel me, So
Speaker 1: when you have a bunch of white people in a
Speaker 1: in a boardroom situation telling you, uh, the culture and
Speaker 1: urban youth and our urban radio. It's all euphemism from
Speaker 1: black right. So what they're doing, I might be attacked,
Speaker 1: but no what you're doing. I might be attacked, but
Speaker 1: go for it. But either way, but what they're doing
Speaker 1: is there. They're absolutely just manipulating that aspect. And it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's not just that you feel me, you
Speaker 1: got me sidehack. Let me just finish my ship. I
Speaker 1: gotta go other than get what was I talking about?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know you've got mad not Jerry
Speaker 1: and niggas bros. Now I don't want to, I don't
Speaker 1: want talk about not. Let me just not. Let me
Speaker 1: just don't I feel y'all. But let me just go
Speaker 1: because otherwise I forget. No, we got a check when
Speaker 1: we got not you in eject. But just like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my ship, little brother. Yeah, because because
Speaker 1: it's in point. Because it's like yo, like you have
Speaker 1: white people who say softball on Sundays dictating black culture
Speaker 1: and they're signing artists off of what the white fourteen
Speaker 1: year olds with meme accounts tell you is black culture.
Speaker 1: And so that's a problem. That's a problem. That's the
Speaker 1: root of it, because uh, face tattoos and all that
Speaker 1: ship was was game related off the red You're not
Speaker 1: getting face tattooess unless there was some ship behind it,
Speaker 1: not getting face tattoos in the aesthetic. So y'all are
Speaker 1: already emulating a lifestyle you're not about, but you are
Speaker 1: trying to sell that to people. And since you're the
Speaker 1: people you're selling it to, you're a fake selling it
Speaker 1: to little white kids who are the ones running the
Speaker 1: meme accounts in the digital real estate. That ends up
Speaker 1: shooting back up the lot of towards the labels who
Speaker 1: don't know anything. They end up signing people based off
Speaker 1: of whoever these people who fall for this lifestyle, who
Speaker 1: are falling for this it's just all the funk joke.
Speaker 1: It's all a joke. It's all a joke because you
Speaker 1: have the higher ups actually being dictated, tugged, and pulled
Speaker 1: by thirteen year old white kids who have meme accounts.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make it harder him not you know why,
Speaker 1: because I win every time because it's the truth. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you are talking about. What we do.
Speaker 1: Pull up the list it's brutal. You know how many
Speaker 1: artists have popped and only had a summer m hard?
Speaker 1: Lets you want to go through Boggis, where's your list? Ship?
Speaker 1: You buggers best friend? That's all boggers mono, what's going on?
Speaker 1: You already sound like you stab people. Now what I'm
Speaker 1: saying like, we gotta, we gotta really look at what's
Speaker 1: going on with inside of the ship. With inside of
Speaker 1: the ship. It's it's it's people who don't have any
Speaker 1: fucking crew and they get to be the bank for
Speaker 1: a little Nasax but they don't have any clue, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's so pathetic, and it's so sad to
Speaker 1: me because I really wish, like I could have told
Speaker 1: a little Nasacs like, yo, you will make way more
Speaker 1: than that by yourself, and let's say two million dollars deeper,
Speaker 1: you making that money. Whatever you agree to Columbia with
Speaker 1: you could have charged them double so you would have
Speaker 1: gotten this two middle off a tune corps. Plus it's
Speaker 1: still popping. But what if he did do that, if
Speaker 1: we don't know that he didn't, I could almost agree
Speaker 1: with you. I don't need to like without nobody's honest
Speaker 1: with this usually I have like inside information with this
Speaker 1: none at all. I don't have, like bro, sometimes you
Speaker 1: know the inside information in your gun period, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need to question my ship in time because
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, just be honest. Little remind me
Speaker 1: of Little Wayne nas nas and an X reminds me
Speaker 1: of d m X. And then I looked at those
Speaker 1: three names and I was like, those jerseys to be retired,
Speaker 1: like any no one should never like I hate a
Speaker 1: DJ named Noriag. That's something to be honest. I hate
Speaker 1: you like and then there's a there's a producer. It's
Speaker 1: a producing name Noriega in Puerto Rico to I also
Speaker 1: hate you. I just want to throw that out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know when this episode is gonna come out,
Speaker 1: but you know, one of five in New York City,
Speaker 1: DJ nor what the fund is your problem? Like? Why?
Speaker 1: Like my I fucking fo yeah for this. It's talking
Speaker 1: about it like you're gonna be in Russell sim or Russell.
Speaker 1: You didn't, you didn't you chose to eat eat our
Speaker 1: of your name be Russ. So this is an extinctive
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even want to be Noriega. So I've
Speaker 1: written vin Nori and then you're gonna take my name.
Speaker 1: I've never liked it you. He's gonna be honest. I
Speaker 1: know I've seen you in Prower one on five. I
Speaker 1: don't gonna be fake too. I've learned how to be
Speaker 1: fake as well, because I was like up about this ship.
Speaker 1: I hadn't learned. I hadn't. I had seven lawsuits. They say, right,
Speaker 1: they say this will teach you to be a better criminal.
Speaker 1: The music business teachers. You have to be paid. That's
Speaker 1: why the longer you spend in it, the ones you
Speaker 1: pop out of it. That's why I don't frolic any
Speaker 1: I stay at my house. So wait, hold on, this
Speaker 1: is can't be the end. Back down. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let Okay, you're that's a human should be. Now we
Speaker 1: come on, come on. What you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: What I'm saying that I don't do this? What you
Speaker 1: want to what you want? I want to get something
Speaker 1: with your chat? Yeah, let me just tell you something.
Speaker 1: Let me just be honest with you. Um, what you
Speaker 1: have done is a blueprint. The reason why people not
Speaker 1: watched everything, the reason why people it's because you're the first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when you're the first you ever remember on Instagram
Speaker 1: you're the first first, but if you ever look at
Speaker 1: the comments that people say to them, it's horrible because
Speaker 1: they say sucking motherfucker. But at first, being the first
Speaker 1: was was a good ship. But this is what happened.
Speaker 1: So this is the reason why, because I look at
Speaker 1: I looked at everything, and I was like, like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know what I think he doesn't understand because this
Speaker 1: is what I feel. I feel like you accept being
Speaker 1: hated to a certain extent, but you don't really want to.
Speaker 1: But but the thing is, because you're so new at
Speaker 1: what you're doing, is it comes with the territory. It's
Speaker 1: fucked up, but it's gonna come. It's gonna be another
Speaker 1: rest it comes. Go on, let me just hit me out.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be another rest that comes. And then by
Speaker 1: the third or fourth Russ, you're gonna be like, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, ship, I what I received, what
Speaker 1: you received was so light compared to what they're going
Speaker 1: because they might have more success than you, or even
Speaker 1: just as much success to you, but they're gonna have
Speaker 1: so much more hate because you were the first one.
Speaker 1: It's like Jesus Anhing without Judas so you have like
Speaker 1: Jesus story wouldn't even be ill without Judas. I don't know,
Speaker 1: can Yeah. One of the greatest Nipsey verses ever is
Speaker 1: on if you got the marathon, it was I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk now. If you had to wait to
Speaker 1: catch on them later, then the song was called Bigger
Speaker 1: than Life. But uh, I don't want your help, Just
Speaker 1: let me something through this. The world would not know
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ if there was never Judius. And the knight
Speaker 1: that's in my back could be the truth that introduce us.
Speaker 1: The distance in between us is the proof of my conclusions.
Speaker 1: But to say the world would not know Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: if there was never Judas and the knight that's in
Speaker 1: my back could be the truth that introduced us. That's
Speaker 1: fucking like all that that that explains his whole death
Speaker 1: is its ship. Who do you get killed by one
Speaker 1: of his home? So the world would not know Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: Nipsey if they're was never Judas, and the knife that's
Speaker 1: in my back meaning I gotta stopped by my own
Speaker 1: people could be the truth that introduced us because once
Speaker 1: he got stabbed in the back by Judas, the word
Speaker 1: is now introduced Nipsey Hustle. I'm telling you he's become Jesus.
Speaker 1: And now if you want to go deeper, Jesus that
Speaker 1: a thirty three nity. I believe that too. I'm a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist. I believe that all my body for a reason.
Speaker 1: So that's the reason why me to you. To you,
Speaker 1: I feel like as great as you are as an artist,
Speaker 1: and you're going to continue to be great as an artist,
Speaker 1: your actual gift is being a businessman. So you have
Speaker 1: to open a business. Not to give you any business.
Speaker 1: You've made a lot more money than me, trust me,
Speaker 1: just just anybody. But the thing is, I'm doing people
Speaker 1: to follow you. People will follow that that format. So
Speaker 1: the thing is to make your artist, to make your
Speaker 1: artists those next guys. So now to you be cup Rockefella.
Speaker 1: But that's like, that's the the the crazy thing to
Speaker 1: bounce that I'm dealing with is like number one, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be too early trying to like do
Speaker 1: that because you're ready. I want to like not that
Speaker 1: you're already too early. You're already early. You're already I'm
Speaker 1: just get already to new techno. I never was of
Speaker 1: our generation that's fucking you're already. You're already. I just
Speaker 1: don't want to, like I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: I got like I got me covered, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like they're like I'm talking like when I'm thirty six,
Speaker 1: when I'm thirty for sure thirty five, But like I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do that to you as an artist, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not about to split time. I didn't you feel
Speaker 1: me Like, I'm not about to tell you you'll want
Speaker 1: to sign you. Like There's been a lot of artists
Speaker 1: that I fust with early on and I helped, but
Speaker 1: I don't want anything from it. That's not why I
Speaker 1: was doing it. It was for the game once getting
Speaker 1: at the point. So when I'm thirty thirty five, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be like, you know what, yo, pull up?
Speaker 1: I got like we'll make a whole album whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But that just not That's not why I'm not right now.
Speaker 1: But I'm with this because I know you wanted to
Speaker 1: album for Ross. I know you wanted to do with
Speaker 1: the albums fucking album which would be phenomenal. I kept
Speaker 1: listening to your beat, and I kept listening to Wolf's
Speaker 1: cadences and all that, but the thing is in hip hop.
Speaker 1: We don't owe nobody nothing, but we owe somebody everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we like you owe me nothing, I owe you nothing,
Speaker 1: but we owe each other everything. Isn't that that's what
Speaker 1: That's what fox me up. That's what. That's what fox
Speaker 1: me up. Like I can't charge I can't charge none
Speaker 1: of these old niggs that be asked me for verses
Speaker 1: right now, like I've never charged. I just I've never
Speaker 1: charged anyone. I never charged and I never would. You
Speaker 1: know why, because but now to drink, chance to work
Speaker 1: I got, I'm free. You know what it is for
Speaker 1: anybody who would catch me. You know what it is?
Speaker 1: That is that I've never charged anyone for a verse,
Speaker 1: and I never would because my perspective is that if
Speaker 1: I feel like I gotta charge you for a verse,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be doing the first mm you know. So
Speaker 1: I only do verses for people that like I folk with.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna sound along it like it represents
Speaker 1: myself correctly sonically an artist wise like, and I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I don't give it like, but that's the financial freedom
Speaker 1: of having a tune core that pays out every week,
Speaker 1: like I've been able to turn down good bags because
Speaker 1: they were bad looks. But when you're broke a good bag,
Speaker 1: is it good? Look? You feel me? That was hard
Speaker 1: community for that, But that's beautiful. That's beautiful right things
Speaker 1: right there, because Fat Joe told me that one time.
Speaker 1: Fat Joe said, I'm looking at Fat Joe. He said,
Speaker 1: damn Nori, And I said, what's up is that everybody
Speaker 1: gave me so many free verses. I can't even charge
Speaker 1: anybody ever. Yeah, And I was like, fun, why did
Speaker 1: you tell me that? Because what you're doing like that,
Speaker 1: you like, it's it's fucking That's what it's about, though,
Speaker 1: It's about doing ships to the love of the game.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I feel like when you when
Speaker 1: you detached from expecting something like put like this because
Speaker 1: you get like two the show. That's what I'm hearing
Speaker 1: something like that, because he said his record and being
Speaker 1: honest put it like this, right. If you if people
Speaker 1: only pull up on you, if there's a check involved,
Speaker 1: it just lets you know how they feel about you.
Speaker 1: You are not you. You are a check so movement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, you're no different data prostitute. You're just a
Speaker 1: sonic prostitute. I'm using you for the beat, because when
Speaker 1: you you pull up with a bitch, yo, what's the
Speaker 1: pussy at that you pull up with with the producer
Speaker 1: who you're only like because he is fift the ways
Speaker 1: to be that same ship like pop it open, pause,
Speaker 1: But that's what it is, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's never going to be the realist chemistry. You're
Speaker 1: never going to get the best type of music. So
Speaker 1: I just feel like my career and everything is based
Speaker 1: off of me playing for the love of the game,
Speaker 1: me playing because I like to make music so much
Speaker 1: to the fact that I think I can do it,
Speaker 1: and so I do it. So you don't mean yeah,
Speaker 1: but I did at first. At first, I did everybody
Speaker 1: can't be a producer rap because a lot of these
Speaker 1: niggas is trashed out here. But no, no, they are not.
Speaker 1: Yeah they are, but you know what I actually could
Speaker 1: be hold on But like hold one, you see, you
Speaker 1: see what you see, what's sucked up, And I agree,
Speaker 1: But at the same time I disagree, not because I disagree,
Speaker 1: because the reality is that that you know, you're not
Speaker 1: ill or you're not fired, you don't have talent. That's
Speaker 1: too much of a locked into the present day. Definitive moment. Statement,
Speaker 1: you think that tomorrow doesn't exist? What if I'm better
Speaker 1: by tomorrow all of a sudden, You're a statement doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense because if someone told me that I
Speaker 1: was shipped at making beats at fourteen, and I believe,
Speaker 1: and I even I internalize their opinion to God, make
Speaker 1: a noise, I'll because the world camera's left. You got
Speaker 1: to get a picture and you can hang out with us.
Speaker 1: I'm like getting into my show. If I can't keep talking,
Speaker 1: I want to keep talking about seventeen pisces pictures we
Speaker 1: can read. Yo. Man, let me tell you something. Your
Speaker 1: spirit is so fucking oh man yea