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Speaker 1: Hey, folks. Sit is Wednesday, March eleventh, and he is

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Speaker 1: a former Ohio State superstar, a former first round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: He even has a Super Bowl ring with the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs. But right now, this former NFL linebacker is

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Speaker 1: sitting in jail charged with first degree murder and his accomplice,

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Speaker 1: according to prosecutors chat GPT, And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. The crime itself

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Speaker 1: is heinous's hell you throw in this chat GPT element

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Speaker 1: of it Rose. We cover a lot of stories, a

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Speaker 1: lot of crime stories, a lot going on right now.

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Speaker 1: This one is wild.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those headlines that stops you because, yes,

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Speaker 3: the details of this crime, which we will get into,

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Speaker 3: that prosecutors are alleging, is horrific. But to think that now,

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Speaker 3: with technology at everyone's availability, people and the accusation is

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Speaker 3: this particular man and his name is Darren Lee, use

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Speaker 3: chat GPT to try and cover up the crime, cover

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Speaker 3: up the crime scene, ask what to say for a

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Speaker 3: nine to one one call, literally getting instructions on how

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Speaker 1: First of all, that's just stupid at this point. If

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Speaker 1: you don't think that's going to be tracked down, aren't

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Speaker 1: we I didn't think about it too, you were just talking.

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Speaker 1: We have covered a lot of trials where someone's Google

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Speaker 1: search history becomes an issue. Isn't this just that? But

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Speaker 1: we have AI Now normally he would have been typing this.

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Speaker 3: Stuff, right, he's taken it and brought it to a

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Speaker 3: new level. Now he's not just Google searching articles. No,

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Speaker 3: he's actually asking a bot to help him.

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Speaker 2: And the way you put it.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about it like this, but actually as

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Speaker 3: an accomplice after the fact, people can be charged for

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Speaker 3: trying to help someone cover up a crime. He literally,

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Speaker 3: according to police, used a bot and artificial intelligence to

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Speaker 3: try and help him cover up the crime.

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Speaker 1: And we should always, as we should say, innocent until

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Speaker 1: proven guilty. Right now, Darren Lee is innocent. Even though

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Speaker 1: Darren Lee is sitting in a jail in Tennessee. This

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Speaker 1: happened right outside of Chattanooga. He is sitting in jail

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee. He had a hearing yesterday in which we

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Speaker 1: got a lot more detail. And that's why the story

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Speaker 1: has now been making a renewed run through the headlines.

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Speaker 1: But Rose. He's thirty one years old, arrested for this

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Speaker 1: murder that happened last month, we should say, but he

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Speaker 1: is sitting. He will not be getting out of prison

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Speaker 1: before his tryout. Now, this guy, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: might not know his name off the top of your head,

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Speaker 1: but he played in the Sugar Bowl in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: and he was the defensive MVP. Wow tells you anything. Wow. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you played at Ohio State, first of all, you're

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Speaker 1: a big deal. You star in that game, you're a

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Speaker 1: big deal. Your first round draft pick, you're a big deal. Now,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a great NFL career, only ended up

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Speaker 1: playing three or four years for three different teams, and

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Speaker 1: one of those teams Robes was the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: He was on their roster in twenty twenty. Didn't play

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Speaker 1: So the guy, look, you make it to these levels,

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Speaker 1: you're a stud at what you do. But here he

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Speaker 1: of tampering with and fabricating evidence. Now we get to

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Speaker 1: the crime here, Robes it look, don't know what happened

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Speaker 1: in that house, but they describe a scene in which

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Speaker 3: Suffered, suffered, and that is the part that is just

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Speaker 3: so disturbing. The prosecutor put it like this, This scent

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Speaker 3: showed that his fiance, Gabriella Perpetuo, she was twenty nine

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Speaker 2: I mean, this was a horrific scene to walk into.

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Speaker 1: Do they suggest that this might if she might have

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Speaker 2: Yes, they believe it could have gone on.

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Speaker 3: They believe she could have been beaten and killed slowly

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Speaker 1: And that's look the we all. I'm surprised we've done

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Speaker 1: I think we've been covering suicides, correct, right, kids, I

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Speaker 1: think what we've been saying, will ask a chat GPT

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Speaker 2: Harm way is to kill yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so yes, they need to get that worked out.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing it used and rose we're going to see

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't even know how to use

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Speaker 2: And typically it's used.

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Speaker 3: For good to actually learn new skills, or to figure

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Speaker 1: For shortcut on your homework assignment.

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Speaker 3: In fact, my daughter was telling me because I was

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Speaker 3: trying to understand how to read something. She's like, just

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Speaker 3: and it will tell you what it means. What are

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Speaker 3: you actually talking about? I had no idea you could

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Speaker 3: do these things. Yes, so it's mostly used for good, right,

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Speaker 3: but wow, this is a glaring example of how it

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like here robes be hoo. Are we

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Speaker 1: getting to these chat GPT messages with which they did

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Speaker 1: share in court the scene at the house you were

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Speaker 1: just describing, robes, a lot of it. They said it

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Speaker 1: a lot of the blood you're describing. You couldn't see

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Speaker 1: what the naked and they said, once you went and

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Speaker 1: then put those lights on it, bloods everywhere, Like it

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Speaker 1: that's what they said. Damn Rose and I watched somewhat

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Speaker 1: with they had his bodycam video. That's gonna be tough

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you it is, so we'll get into this.

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Speaker 3: It is so fascinating to see what he put into

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Speaker 1: happening playing out right now, and it's overwhelming the stuff

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Speaker 1: they have against him right now. But again, innocent until

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Speaker 1: proven guilty. But rolled in court yesterday. They started sharing

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Speaker 1: she died. So what is your understanding here he is premeditated?

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Speaker 1: Had he started the process? Are they suggesting? Or he

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Speaker 2: They don't know, that's the truth, they said.

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Speaker 3: They don't know how it all happened and when it

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Speaker 3: indictments and to proceed that way because there is just

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Speaker 3: so much information. But we know that one of his

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Speaker 3: first questions to chat GPT was don't know what to

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Speaker 3: two swollen eyes. He puts in parentheses. I didn't do

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Speaker 3: anything self inflicted. She stabbed herself, slit her eye. I

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Speaker 1: What's going through anybody's mind to ask chat GPT that,

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Speaker 1: given what the scene was at that house, You start like,

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Speaker 1: what is on a person's mind? Is he really think

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Speaker 1: that she has self inflicted? Does he think he's covering

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Speaker 3: I think he thinks he is laying the groundwork for

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Speaker 3: a defense that he didn't know what to do, and

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Speaker 1: Isn't this again the first one? Don't? They say they

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Speaker 3: On this one, they think it's possible, which is awful

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Speaker 3: to think about her suffering. And then he said what

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Speaker 1: I know that none of this is funny, but that

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why we say asking for a friend.

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Speaker 1: Just because I don't want you to think it's me exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's not funny, but it's laughable laughing, and that's the point.

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Speaker 3: He says, what should I tell my friend to handle

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Speaker 2: He's lost, This makes no sense. You call nine one one,

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Speaker 3: But this is what chat GBT doesn't say to call

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Speaker 3: nine one one. It says, okay, but this is serious,

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Speaker 3: Here's exactly what to tell your friend, step by step

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Speaker 3: and when it was interesting, he said, but wants to

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Speaker 2: He corrects the question.

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Speaker 3: He asks CHATGBT and says, doesn't want to call police. So,

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Speaker 2: Call the police.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you want to call the police if you

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Speaker 3: find someone non responsivees.

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Speaker 1: All that what you're saying makes sense. We've been watching

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Speaker 1: a lot of cases and I struggle sometimes with circumstantial evidence. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's hard to put somebody in jail. The

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Speaker 1: rest of their lives if there's not a smoking gun, right,

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Speaker 1: But I've had lawyers tell me and you are more

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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence. This is one of those cases where it

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Speaker 1: laying out to everyone based on our common sense that

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: He's asking Chad, He's asking GEP chat GP two. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: I can't even talk, asking chat GPT if stab wound

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Speaker 3: like puncture punctures can be explained from hitting anything like,

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Speaker 3: he's asking for a way to describe her stab wounds

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Speaker 3: without it actually coming from someone stabbing, Like, could you

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting chat GPT trying to give

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 3: Chat GBT said, yes, it can happen. Can a slip

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Speaker 2: What can it look like?

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Speaker 3: And he was saying the chat GBT said bottom line, yes,

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Speaker 2: So then it asks Lee to say.

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Speaker 3: Where on the body, how many punctures, depth, and size,

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Speaker 1: These messages are are They are wild? And you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh? I think you can do voice on your phone.

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Speaker 3: Oh you can do both. Yes, because he even asks

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Speaker 2: They are ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: They actually got I think they're more laughable than even the.

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Speaker 1: Do we need to call a scientist? Is that even

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Speaker 2: Never heard of that before, never covered a case like that.

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Speaker 3: In my life, an explosion usually comes from a gas

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Speaker 2: I guess you're right. I never even thought about that.

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Speaker 1: It's so hot in here, then he got cold, then

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Speaker 2: Class explodes the whole house.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's a thirty one year old man, young man still

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Speaker 3: I know. The DA described the crime scene as a

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Speaker 3: Sinister speaks to a whole other level of evil and violence,

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Speaker 3: and that is what prosecutors and now even the judge

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Speaker 2: So we of course will.

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Speaker 3: Be following this one for you in the meantime, though,

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Speaker 3: thank you for listening to us. We always appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ. Holmes, and we will talk

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Speaker 3: to you soon.

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