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Speaker 3: Man? We're good, We're good. We're just I'm better than

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Speaker 3: the heat. I can tell you that much. The heat

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Speaker 3: don't look like they're gonna make it much longer.

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Speaker 2: All right now, I need to open up the show today.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we're gonna have John Paul Morosi join

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Speaker 2: us our Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider all of us,

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Speaker 2: give us his insights on whether or not the Golden

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Speaker 2: Knights are about to wrap up a first Stanley Cup victory.

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Speaker 2: And of course we've got much to talk about as

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Speaker 2: far as the NBA Finals concern. But I want to

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Speaker 2: start with an apology today, Sam, do you have As

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Speaker 2: rich and I closed our show last Sunday. Richie and

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Speaker 2: I were making our picks for Game two of the

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals, and the Nuggets were eight and a half

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Speaker 2: point favorites, and you said, even though you, you know,

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Speaker 2: try to make a case for Miami that you know

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Speaker 2: your gut tells you that the Denver is going to

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Speaker 2: cover that spread. Now, as you know, when it comes

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Speaker 2: to making any kind of predictions, usually my track record

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Speaker 2: isn't very good. So these are my words, my exact words,

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Speaker 2: as we were closing out last Sunday show. I'm always wrong, folks.

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Speaker 2: Here it is, I'll lock it, take the Heat, cover

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Speaker 2: the spread. This it's Fox Sports Radio. So I gave

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Speaker 2: them that that the Heat will cover the spread, knowing

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Speaker 2: that you should bet against me because I'm never right.

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Speaker 2: So not only did the Heat cover the spread, they

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Speaker 2: actually won the game outright. And so I know a

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Speaker 2: lot of people were just you know, running, you know,

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Speaker 2: and calling their bookies or whatever and putting money down

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Speaker 2: on Denver because I had locked the Miami Heat. And

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Speaker 2: unfortunately for those that followed my lead, you lost. And

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Speaker 2: so I want to apologize why the Heat actually won

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Speaker 2: that game. I have no clue, Rich, because they haven't

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Speaker 2: shown any signs since then that they should have won

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Speaker 2: any games in this series. It was a freakish fourth

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Speaker 2: quarter in Denver in Game two that led to Miami

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Speaker 2: actually salvaging a game. So we're gonna have to wait

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Speaker 2: till tomorrow. By the way, the scheduling in these NBA

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Speaker 2: four wis witch. I mean, no games this weekend. We

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Speaker 2: got to wait until tomorrow night to watch the Nuggets

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Speaker 2: wrap up these NBA finals. That just seems crazy to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's all very silly.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why they're doing that, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's going to change. Unfortunately. I think they. I

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Speaker 3: think they the league owners are the committee alongside their

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Speaker 3: keep traction alive and to booy their ratings during the finals.

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Speaker 3: I can't figure out why though, but this is what

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Speaker 3: been talking about Eric Spolstra as a coach and his

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Speaker 3: ability to scheme opponents and with the flowers that Jimmy

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Speaker 3: Butler was getting through the majority of the playoffs, including

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Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference Finals. I mean, not only are they

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Speaker 3: Miami and the Nuggets were in some close contests leading

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Speaker 2: I think the takeaway, honestly, when this is all said

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Speaker 2: whole dynamic of what it means for this Nuggets organization

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Speaker 2: similar situation to Denver. Like it was a team that

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Speaker 2: so when I'm looking at this Denver team and trying

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Speaker 2: to look into my crystal ball. Is this just that

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Speaker 2: Is that going to be the story here for Jokic

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Speaker 2: to be the team to beat and another when we

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Speaker 2: the new bar And I specifically talk about the Lakers

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Speaker 2: here Rich because the Lakers just got eliminated by this team.

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Speaker 2: And he had Lebron James after that final when he

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Speaker 2: even know how our team is going to look, which

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Speaker 2: now isn't good enough to beat that team, right. So

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm going to be curious, assuming Denver wins this,

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Speaker 2: that's the team we have to figure out how to beat.

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Speaker 3: It does have some feel of that Milwaukee Bucks team.

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Speaker 3: game looks different than Jokic, but they are dominant stars

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Speaker 3: I mean, Lebron is a dominant star in terms of

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Speaker 3: that championship. Now Lebron James. I'm not trying to say

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Speaker 3: why is because part of his game, part of what

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Speaker 3: Like I just think that the ship has sailed on,

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Speaker 3: know you can you can win one. Well in terms

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Speaker 3: You could win one with Jokic doing everything standing on

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Speaker 3: his head. I mean, Jamal Murray is a very talented

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Speaker 3: game and say like Jokich is the only star, but

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Speaker 3: he is. I mean, he's the sun in that solar system.

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Speaker 3: I mean everything revolves around him, same way it was

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Speaker 3: you know, with Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and Draymond Green. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Steph again, he's the overwhelming star. But the fact of

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Speaker 3: the reason why the people, especially Bay Area fans of

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Speaker 3: that Finals was because Draymond got suspended. That's how important

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Speaker 3: you know, that that high flying superstar, you know, highlight

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Speaker 3: reel player like that certainly helps, but you need you

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Speaker 2: Well, Murray obviously is a guy that a lot of

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Jokic got hurt, then he got

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Speaker 2: enoughoul trouble, Murray couldn't make a shot, and then Gordon

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Speaker 2: enough pieces to be more than a one and done champion. Well,

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Speaker 2: much more on the NBA Finals, on the aftermath of

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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen if indeed the Nuggets close it out

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Speaker 2: John Palmosi, Johnny Us, we're talking some Major League Baseball JP.

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Speaker 2: next six weeks or so. Can we make it a

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Speaker 5: speaking of a wonderful Father's Day celebration one week early,

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Speaker 5: how about the low family Nathaniel of the Rangers Joshua

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Speaker 5: of the Rays playing a series in the major leagues

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Speaker 5: against each other for the first time. So they're family

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Speaker 5: based in Florida, is able to go their father, Lieutenant

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Speaker 5: Commander David Lowe of the US Navy, a former top

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Speaker 5: gun tactics instructor. So what a great weekend for David

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Speaker 5: and Wendy Low to see their sons in the field.

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Speaker 5: So yes, in honor of them, in honor of all dads,

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Speaker 5: will reconvene a week from now.

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Speaker 2: Perfect JP or the absolute best, have a tremendous week

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you next Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Sounds great, guys enjoying all the best things.

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Speaker 2: That's John Palmer Rosi our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider,

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Speaker 2: and I really have a problem with rolling those rs.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to work on that. Find out right

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Speaker 2: now what is trending. Perhaps Mansi Blanos can help me.

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Speaker 6: So this is so funny, I can't. A couple of

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Speaker 6: days ago, I was like, oh, this guy's hitting for

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Speaker 6: three let me see if I can find a clip

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Speaker 6: of his and this is I was like, a rise.

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Speaker 7: That's not all right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like I heard multiple people.

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Speaker 2: This is why I asked the question, because I had

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Speaker 2: the little rise far and judge, forget the rolling ours.

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Speaker 2: I heard ares.

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Speaker 7: Right, and I was like, this can't And this is.

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Speaker 2: Why I asked John Palmer Rosi because I knew he

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Speaker 2: would know the answer. The problem is the way he

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Speaker 2: pronounced it does not come out of my mouth right.

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Speaker 6: Even if you don't roll the r's properly.

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Speaker 7: I was still like, it can't be a rise. There's

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Speaker 7: no way a rise. I was like, he's Venezolano, absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Not, and I, you know, I didn't want to sound

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Speaker 6: like the stupid one. So the first time I said

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Speaker 6: his name, I said a rise because.

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Speaker 7: I was like, maybe I'm stupid, maybe it's not correct.

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Speaker 2: I did this for you because cute rich and I

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Speaker 2: will never mention him again unless I's still hitting for

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Speaker 2: two months from now.

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Speaker 6: Everyone's a probably a rise, which is what I thought,

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Speaker 6: which is what I thought, which I understand is very difficult.

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Speaker 7: So I get that.

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Speaker 6: I understand, you know, I'm saying like Moncey evolved because

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Speaker 6: one I hated my name. When I was little. I

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Speaker 6: hated mon I hated that. I wanted to change my

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Speaker 6: name to Selena. Yes, the rip Stow, Yes, I used

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Speaker 6: to sing and dance just you know, I loved her

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Speaker 6: and I want to change my name to Selena in

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Speaker 6: the first grade, and my mom was like, absolutely not.

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Speaker 7: I hated my name.

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Speaker 6: I hated being called and then somebody like obviously read

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Speaker 6: my name Monzy, and I was like, oh, that's.

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Speaker 2: It, that is it.

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Speaker 7: I don't you guys.

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's grateful. It's as well. Yeah, promise

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Speaker 2: you a good name.

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Speaker 3: It's a unique name.

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Speaker 6: But once somebody called I don't know what, teacher called

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Speaker 6: me that it's stuck.

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Speaker 7: I liked it. I was like, this is it, and

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Speaker 7: like you're.

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Speaker 3: You're the only person who really is fluent in Spanish.

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Speaker 3: You have to you have to rank me and Steve

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Speaker 3: saying this gentleman's last name.

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Speaker 6: All right, you ready, okay, Gorias, oh man, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they're trying to get a rise out of you.

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Speaker 7: That's really good.

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Speaker 2: The Ice speak French. You see a late team. I

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Speaker 2: didn't take Spanish like most people did in French.

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Speaker 7: Right, right, most people did take Spanish. But Spanish is hard,

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Speaker 7: just like French.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they're they're hard to teach.

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Speaker 7: I'm speak.

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Speaker 6: People ask me like Spanish words is like, I don't

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Speaker 6: know how to explain it. I can just tell you

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Speaker 6: it's wrong either right or rob, But I.

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Speaker 7: Just don't how to explain it.

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Speaker 6: We have a full day of baseball today, fellas, no hockey,

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Speaker 6: no NBA, A full day of baseball on this Sunday.

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Speaker 6: A lot of games kicking off right now. But two

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Speaker 6: games already underway, with the Tigers.

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Speaker 7: Up on the Diamondbacks at home in Detroit.

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Speaker 6: It's five to two bottom of the seventh inning and

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Speaker 6: the Guardians andres heiman Is hit a two run homer.

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Speaker 7: I give you another one there.

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Speaker 6: They're currently beating the Astros three zero bottom of the

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Speaker 6: fourth inning. Now we know the Mets have not had

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Speaker 6: the greatest start to the season despite the very big payroll.

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Speaker 6: Owner Steve Cohen spoke to the New York Post and

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Speaker 6: he said that he's not going to blow up the team.

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Speaker 6: He thinks that the problem actually is inconsistent pitching staff,

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Speaker 6: but that no, Buck Showalter is not gonna get fired.

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Speaker 6: The Mets, coming into today Sunday are thirty one and

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Speaker 6: thirty four for this season. They're only nine and a

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Speaker 6: half games behind the first place Braves in the NL East.

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Speaker 6: They had lost seven in a row prior to yesterday's

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Speaker 6: win against Pittsburgh. But Steve Cohen says, no, they are

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Speaker 6: not going to blow up the Mets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they say that. Yes, I mean, if they're ten

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Speaker 2: games a low five hundred I at the play deadline.

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Speaker 3: They're born until this keeps going for another month.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, And Novak Djokovic has won his third

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Speaker 6: French Open title, beating Casper Root in three sets for

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Speaker 6: a record twenty third glance Grand Slam men's title. He

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Speaker 6: officially passes Rafael in the doll for the most That's

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Speaker 6: not a bad day.

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Speaker 2: That's not a bad day.

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Speaker 7: It's not a bad day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got much more on him in a moment here, Manzi,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for checking with you a little bit

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Speaker 2: was you know, MONSI was talking about Djokovic winning the

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Speaker 2: French Earlier this year, he course won the Australian Open,

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Speaker 2: and he'll be the overwhelming favorite next month at Wimbledon,

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Speaker 2: considering he's won the last four Wimbledon's. Of course, they

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Speaker 2: canceled it in twenty twenty with the COVID shutdown, which

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Speaker 2: would really put the US Open in a precarious situation.

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Speaker 2: Rich because two years ago he won the first three

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Speaker 2: lost the US Open final, but last year was not

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Speaker 2: allowed to participate in the US Open because he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: get vaccinated. Now, I don't know what the laws are now,

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Speaker 2: but can you imagine if he wins Wimbledon and would

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Speaker 2: have a chance to, by the way, only the second

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Speaker 2: man ever in the Open era. Last time a man

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Speaker 2: won the Grand Slam was Rod labor way back in

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine. And if he doesn't get vaccinated, he

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Speaker 2: wouldn't even be allowed to participate in the US. So

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure this whole thing out. Are we

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Speaker 2: still there now where they had these rules or have

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Speaker 2: they been taking off the books, because that would be unreal,

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Speaker 2: right if he had three of the four in his pocket,

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Speaker 2: ready to make history and they're like, no, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to get vaccinated if you want to play in

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Speaker 2: the US.

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Speaker 3: So, but I'm not educated enough in that space in

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Speaker 3: tennis and their.

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Speaker 2: Rules, because that's what happened last year.

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Speaker 3: No I remember, and I think year, I mean year

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Speaker 3: over year when we compare where we're at as a

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Speaker 3: society this year versus last year. Even though at that

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Speaker 3: point there were some people who felt like it was

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Speaker 3: too strict of a policy. I think we're in a

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Speaker 3: much different place. So yeah, I would be, I would be.

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Speaker 3: I guess I would be shocked, frankly if there were

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Speaker 3: still mandates of that nature in place. And yeah, you know, furthermore, look,

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Speaker 3: you know, the reason why there are people who demand

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Speaker 3: asterisks with certain achievements or non achievements is because they

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Speaker 3: want to outline, like a specific era.

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Speaker 2: We talk about Baseball's Hall.

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Speaker 3: Of Fame and some of the guys and some of

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Speaker 3: the numbers that we saw over the course of the

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Speaker 3: steroid era, and people are demanding asterisks. The reason is

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Speaker 3: is because then it notates like, Okay, well this was different,

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Speaker 3: this was a special time, or these were special occurrences,

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Speaker 3: or rules were broken that in the history of baseball,

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Speaker 3: for example, weren't broken in the past, or at very

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Speaker 3: least to our knowledge, etc.

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Speaker 2: Etc.

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Speaker 3: So there's people who demand those notations. I really do

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Speaker 3: feel like in a lot of sports debates, say a

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Speaker 3: decade out from today, a decade out from maybe a

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Speaker 3: year ago, there are going to be people who look

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Speaker 3: back on championships one you know where you know, for example,

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Speaker 3: Baseball's playse the majority or the entirety of it occurred

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Speaker 3: in Texas that year.

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Speaker 2: The NBA.

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Speaker 3: Championships for the twenty twenty twenty one season was in Orlando,

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Speaker 3: you know, the end of the playoffs into the championship

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Speaker 3: round in the bubble in Orlando. I mean, there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a lot of moments in sports that people are

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Speaker 3: gonna call for, Hey, we need to notate that that

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Speaker 3: was different, that that was a different time. I don't

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Speaker 3: think I care, you know what I mean, Like Djokovic

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Speaker 3: made a decision that had an ill effect on his career,

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Speaker 3: you know, and those were the rules at the time.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this in support of the rule

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Speaker 3: or not, or in support of Djokovic or not. But

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Speaker 3: I think that we get too caught up in trying

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Speaker 3: to say, like, hey, we need to notate this as

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Speaker 3: different or special. It's sports. Sometimes sports are fair. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: sports aren't fair, you know. I mean, we change playoff

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Speaker 3: rules all the time. Like in Major League Baseball, there's

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Speaker 3: more teams in the playoffs now than they weren't. Are

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Speaker 3: we gonna asterisk that? In the NFL postseason, there's more

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Speaker 3: teams in the postseason than there used to be. Are

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Speaker 3: we gonna astorisk that? You know? I mean, rules change. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just I kind of feel like these debates are

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Speaker 3: too sensitive.

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Speaker 2: Just deal with it. Well, here, here's the other thing

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Speaker 2: about Djokovic which really makes his record even more amazing,

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Speaker 2: is that he has twenty three. Nadal twenty two, Federer twenty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Sampras retired after winning the two thousand and

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Speaker 2: two US Open with fourteen, which was the record, So

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Speaker 2: for Djokovic to put up twenty three having to play

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Speaker 2: against arguably the two other best players, most dominant players

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Speaker 2: in the history of men's tennis. I think of years,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, fifty, people are going to say,

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Speaker 2: how is it possible that you had three players at

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Speaker 2: the same time put up those kind of numbers having

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Speaker 2: to go up against each other. Imagine how how many

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Speaker 2: championships Djokovic were it won if there wasn't a n

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Speaker 2: adull In an Federer fifty. I'm not quite sure. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to put you know, a

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Speaker 2: read on, but that's a that's an unbelievable number.

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Speaker 3: It's an unbelievable number. And I mean, frankly, like there,

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Speaker 3: I bet you there there are people who love tennis

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Speaker 3: and who are obsessed with tennis. Who would make the argument,

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Speaker 3: whether it be for Federer and at all or Djokovic,

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Speaker 3: yeah that matter. Who would say, hey, like, we need

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Speaker 3: to notate this time as separate from other times in

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Speaker 3: tennis because of the wildly successful triumvirent that reigned over

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Speaker 3: tennis during this time. Again, it will the US Open

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Speaker 3: that he missed out on playing because he was in

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Speaker 3: vaccinated have an effect on his overall standing in terms

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Speaker 3: of like his greatness and impact on the game. I

653
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Speaker 3: really personally don't think so, but there are people who

654
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: would disagree and may feel like missing that US Open

655
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Speaker 3: will have some sort of substantial effect on his legacy.

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Speaker 2: All right, Coming up on the other side, we got

657
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Speaker 2: a lot of things you're gonna be covering the course

658
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Speaker 2: of the day. We'll get back to the NBA Finals

659
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: Game five tomorrow in Denver. I want to bring up

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00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: a NFL story with you, Rich on the other side,

661
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Speaker 2: one that has to do with what players are doing

662
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: off the field. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Hartman

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00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: and Rich Harberger Fox Sports Sunday. We're live from the

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Speaker 2: Tairaq dot Com studios. It's been a lot of talk

665
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: about hypocrisy. We're going to get into the golf situation

666
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Speaker 2: coming up in the next hour, Rich, but I want

667
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: to zero in on the NFL here. So the NFL

668
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: for years try to dismiss the idea that their success,

669
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Speaker 2: their growth had anything to do with gambling, which we

670
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: all knew was not true. False. Gambling had a major

671
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: impact on the growth of the National Football League and

672
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Speaker 2: continues to do so now that they're in bed with

673
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Speaker 2: gambling institutions that provide about a billion dollars worth of

674
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Speaker 2: revenue into the league every year, and the sports gambling

675
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: industry is increasing increasing Now there's you know, we're multi billions,

676
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Speaker 2: with the NFL obviously being the number one sport to

677
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Speaker 2: be bet on. So the NFL is really trying to

678
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: clamp down on players and gambling rich and they try

679
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: to explain to them some really cockamamy rules. My favorite

680
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Speaker 2: one is this is that obviously you're never allowed to

681
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Speaker 2: bet on NFL games. That I get, Okay, I get

682
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: that part of it. Now you are allowed to gamble

683
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: on other sports with legal gambling mechanisms like those that

684
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: are tied to the NFL, as long as you're not

685
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: on the facility. Now that This is the one that

686
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: really gets to me, right, the idea And what was

687
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: interesting because some of these players that have been you know,

688
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: suspended or brought in for questioning, weren't even clear on

689
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Speaker 2: the rules. So they said, all right, so the NBA

690
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: Finals are going on, and I want to place a

691
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: legal bet on the NBA Finals. I can do that

692
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Speaker 2: from my house, you know, on my phone or whatever,

693
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 2: but I can't do that if I'm at the facilities.

694
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Speaker 2: I mean, this to me is just ridiculous. It's absolutely absurd.

695
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: What the NFL is trying to do is maintain this

696
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: image that, all right, we're clean. We're not allowing our

697
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: players to bet on anything if they're at the facilities.

698
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Speaker 2: Where are we going with this?

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Speaker 3: Rich?

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Speaker 2: Is what I want to know. And how many times

701
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: can you hammer these players for doing something that, Frankly,

702
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: in my opinion, it's hypocrisy to punish them. And again,

703
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about betting on the NFL or their

704
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Speaker 2: own games. I'm just talking about gambling in general.

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Speaker 3: Well, Frankly, and I was talking about this yesterday in

706
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio, I don't really find that big of

707
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: a problem with them betting on themselves. Now, I think

708
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: individual player props would be a place where you need

709
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: to draw the line. I think betting on an opponent

710
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: against you certainly would be would be crossing a line,

711
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 3: but betting on your team to win. Like, I never

712
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: understood how that should be viewed as something that's something

713
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Speaker 3: that we should look down on. I mean, that's just confidence,

714
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: that's just bravado. Like you're a boxing fan. I'm a

715
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Speaker 3: boxing fan. Isn't it kind of cool when you hear

716
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Speaker 3: how much money that a boxer wagered on himself to

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Speaker 3: beat his opponent?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think Mayweather did it all the time,

719
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Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 3: That was the example. I you, Steve, I knew you

721
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Speaker 3: would understand this argument. Like Floyd Medweather Junior spent his

722
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: career betting hundreds of thousands of dollars, so instead of

723
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: just earning his purse, he would earn you know, sometimes

724
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Speaker 3: payouts as much as half a million dollars or millions

725
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Speaker 3: of dollars on winning fights. And we're talking about big matches.

726
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: So like, I look at this whole thing and I say,

727
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: you know, it's just again the NFL getting in the

728
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Speaker 3: way of players' ability to earn, because if you allow

729
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: players to live bet during the season. Hey, follow my betting.

730
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Speaker 3: I'm Dak Prescott, and I think we're gonna beat the

731
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Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles on the road this weekend, so much so

732
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Speaker 3: that I put ten thousand dollars on the game, like

733
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Speaker 3: you know, brought to you by DraftKings. Yeah, I mean

734
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Speaker 3: like that's the reason why all of this makes so

735
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Speaker 3: little sense to me. So I don't know. I think

736
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Speaker 3: there should be less rules, not more.

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Speaker 2: Well when it comes to money. Obviously, this was the

738
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Speaker 2: biggest story in sports this week. How what happened to

739
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Speaker 2: golf could happen to the rest of the sports world.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, rolling along on another beautiful Sunday.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, and we are broadcasting live

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747
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Speaker 2: I was in San Diego a little bit last week.

748
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Speaker 2: I wasn't the weather wasn't a whole lot better than

749
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Speaker 2: was here in Los Angeles. And then I took a

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Speaker 2: little side trip to Phoenix on Thursday. Thursday Friday, I

751
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Speaker 2: was there for a celebration of life of a friend

752
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Speaker 2: of mine that recently passed away, and it was one

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Speaker 2: hundred degrees rich.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Like I'll put it this way. When I was driving

756
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Speaker 2: back Friday and I hit blythe at about seven o'clock

757
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: in the evening, it was ninety seven degrees. I'll say this,

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00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: you missed the heat. I mean, it's been unseasonably cool

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Speaker 2: here in Socow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't miss the heat. I do not miss

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Speaker 3: the heat. Yeah. I also don't miss the snow. So

762
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Speaker 3: I've had the I've had the you know, kind of

763
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Speaker 3: like the globe trotting experience where I've lived various states,

764
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Speaker 3: various regions of this country and grew up in New York,

765
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: played in New England, played for the Arizona card So

766
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: I know what the extreme cold feels like. I know

767
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: what the extreme heat feels like. And I'll tell you

768
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Speaker 3: a quick story. When I first landed for training camp,

769
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Speaker 3: I had signed as a free agent with the with

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Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals, and they do their training camp. I

771
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: don't know if they still do, but at the time

772
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: up in Flagstaff on the campus of NAU. And so

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Speaker 3: you land obviously in Phoenix, and you do your medical

774
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Speaker 3: in Phoenix and then they put you in a shuttle

775
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 3: van they drive you the two hours north to the

776
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Speaker 3: Northern Arizona University campus. Well, when I was in the valley,

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Speaker 3: I remember thinking, like, I've never felt hotter weather in

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Speaker 3: my life. It was like one ten that day when

779
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: I landed, it was so hot that I couldn't sweat.

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00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: That when I was sweating, it got up to one fifteen,

781
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: like you know the in the in the late afternoon,

782
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: when I felt perspiration, it would evaporate immediately. So I

783
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: get to the hotel and I'm like, Okay, I'm hungry,

784
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Speaker 3: but I'm gonna wait this out because I'm not leaving

785
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 3: until the sun sets. So it's probably it got late.

786
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: It probably got to like nine thirty at night. And

787
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Speaker 3: then I'm like, what is even open anymore? I'm taking

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Speaker 3: a nap. I look and I see that there's an

789
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Speaker 3: in out Burger fast food burger restaurant out here on

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Speaker 3: the West coast. They had one in Phoenix where I

791
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: was staying across the street. So I'm like, okay, that's

792
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: where I'm heading. So I'm walking down to the front lobby.

793
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Speaker 3: The sliding glass doors open, and I am hit with

794
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Speaker 3: what I can only describe as that first gust of

795
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Speaker 3: wind that comes out of your oven.

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Speaker 2: It's like almost ten o'clock.

797
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Speaker 3: At night, and it was still one hundred and three

798
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Speaker 3: degrees outside.

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Speaker 2: I just went straight back up to my room and

800
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Speaker 2: went to bed. So it was a reminder just how

801
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: hot it can get in the desert, no question about that.

802
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: Not ideal.

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00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: Those people who live out there, they're made of different

804
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: stuff than me. Because I'm like Frosty the snowman. I'm like,

805
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: see you next year.

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00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, go kids. I want to throw a number at you.

807
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: I want to just sort of inhale this number. Okay, okay,

808
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: seven hundred billion dollars, not million, seven hundred billion dollars,

809
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Speaker 2: which isn't which isn't even that far away from a

810
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Speaker 2: trillion dollars, right?

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Speaker 3: You could argue it's two hundred and fifty billion away

812
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Speaker 3: from a trillion.

813
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: Correct, So seven hundred billion dollars billions and billions, So

814
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Speaker 2: where is that number coming from? That is the number

815
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Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia's Sovereign Wealth Fund, the Sovereign wealth fund

816
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: that just bought the world of golf. It was a

817
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: number that the PGA Tour couldn't help but battle because

818
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: they just don't have seven hundred billion dollar. So what

819
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: started off as sort of a crazy idea of an

820
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: alternate golf league, in less than two years, the people

821
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Speaker 2: that started this league, which by the way, no one watches.

822
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Speaker 2: I know my TV station LA Carries love Golf and

823
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: the numbers will prove nobody's watching, have mission accomplished. They

824
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: now own the world of golf. Now what that means

825
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: moving forward, we're not exactly sure. But the one thing

826
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: we are sure of is they are now running the

827
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Speaker 2: Golf World, the PGA Tour, the European Tour, which is

828
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Speaker 2: the DP something Tour nowadays DP World Tour, DP World Tour.

829
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Speaker 2: This seven hundred billion dollar sovereign Wealth fun of Saudi

830
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Speaker 2: Arabia has accomplished something that a lot of people say

831
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Speaker 2: would not be accomplished. And by the way, I was

832
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: getting some criticism because I want to bring up some

833
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: ideas of where they're going next, because I don't believe

834
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Speaker 2: they're stopping in golf.

835
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Speaker 3: No they're not.

836
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Speaker 2: Golf was sort of the test. It's an easy test

837
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Speaker 2: because they knew that there was no way that the

838
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Speaker 2: PGA Tour had any hope of holding them off, and

839
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Speaker 2: that somebody would bring it up the idea because I'm

840
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: going to bring up some team sports that might get

841
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: involved in this, saying well, this was an individual sports,

842
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: so you could buy individuals. First of all, in golf,

843
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: there's only one individual that moves the needle one and

844
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Speaker 2: his name is Tiger Woods. And they didn't get Tiger Woods,

845
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Speaker 2: Bryceon de Shamba, Brooks, Koepka, whatever, whatever. Golfers made the

846
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: jump to live for one hundred million dollars plus, none

847
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Speaker 2: of them moved the needle. There's only one golfer ever

848
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Speaker 2: that moved the needle and his name is Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 2: So what was this all about? Well, it was, like

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Speaker 2: I say, in my opinion, it's the idea that Saudi

851
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Speaker 2: Arabia says, all right, now we have taken control of

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00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: one entity. What's next. Sports has changed so dramatically in

853
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: my lifetime. It used to be niche. Believe me, Back

854
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: in the day, being a sports fan was very niche.

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00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: It was a mainstream. But the amount of money that

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00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 2: sports is generating around the world these days has changed

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Speaker 2: the whole dynamic of the business dramatically. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 2: the Saudis are looking at it as an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, because think of it from this standpoint. So,

860
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: say you have acquired a tremendous amount of wealth and

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Speaker 3: real estate, for example, in a certain area, but then

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00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, for one reason or another, the

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Speaker 3: real estate in your area is becoming less and less valuable,

864
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Speaker 3: Like maybe there's new land development around you where there

865
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Speaker 3: didn't used to be, or maybe all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's news reports that say it's a coastal

867
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: area you own real estate, that erosion over the next

868
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: twenty years is going to slowly eat away at the

869
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 3: land that you own. And you've made so much money

870
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: in this little real estate empire you have, so all

871
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you got to start thinking about your

872
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: exit strategy. You got to start thinking about how am

873
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 3: I going to pivot from real estate? Well that's what

874
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia is doing. The Saudis have a tremendous amount

875
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: of money. Their wealth comes from oil. There's a lot

876
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: of global manufacturers who are turning away from oil now.

877
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: So in order to pivot to capitalize on this extreme

878
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: wealth that they have. They don't want just to lay

879
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: dormant and just invest in Wall Street or other stock

880
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: markets around the world. They want to actually own tangible assets.

881
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: So sports leagues are.

882
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: Tangible, absolutely so now that they own golf, give me

883
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: another target. This is something we actually brought up a

884
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: year ago, I think when we started talking about more

885
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: on this Live Golf and I mentioned college football because

886
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: the landscape of college sports have completely changed in this

887
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: country with name, image and likeness. We have these collectives

888
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: now that all the universities are putting together money in

889
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 2: the coffer so they can compete with top high school

890
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: athletes as well as transfer athletes that are accepting more

891
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: money from schools to leave one school to go elsewhere.

892
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: And it's huge business, especially college football because it's not

893
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: under really anymore the jurisdiction of the NCAA. They've gone rogue.

894
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: Oh Ji, I mean, college football is an entity onto themselves.

895
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: So what is to prevent And I asked this question

896
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 2: a year ago, but now even more so that again,

897
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: what they've been able to do in a very short

898
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: amount of time taking over the world to golf. What

899
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: is to prevent from this sovereign Wealth Fund of Saudi

900
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: Arabia to approach any university, any university, and say, would

901
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: you be interested in us, you know, contributing to your

902
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: collective so that you're in a better position to acquire

903
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: the best talent out there. I can't imagine too many

904
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: universities saying no. Now, they could try to take the

905
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: high road, whatever that might be. And I laugh at this.

906
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: I laugh at this when I consider, you know, I'll

907
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: put it this way, the NBA brings in five billion

908
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 2: dollars a year of revenue from China. Every year, five

909
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: billion dollars of revenue comes in from China, and human

910
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: rights are a question. Everything else. By the way, this

911
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: live golf is the best thing ever happened in the

912
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: NBA because no one's talking about the NBA and their

913
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: marriage with China. But five billion dollars. None of the

914
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 2: economics of this league would be possible without that money

915
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: being poured into But let me ask you this rich

916
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, if you if you get a paycheck, yeah,

917
00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: does it really matter to you where the money for

918
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: that paycheck comes from?

919
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting about that question is, over the course

920
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: of my professional life, I could not tell you because

921
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: I've worked in the NFL and for major corporations after that.

922
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 3: Exactly where the money comes from?

923
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

924
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 3: So I mean to answer your question with a question,

925
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: does it sound like I care?

926
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: No, I would say, And I'm not saying it's right

927
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: or wrong to care or not care, but I would

928
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: think the overwhelming majority of us that collect a paid

929
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: check really are not concerned about the origins of that paycheck. Yeah,

930
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 2: see a lot of the checks, oh yeah, yeah.

931
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: Because most people don't have the time to look. Most people,

932
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: and this is true of my parents, this is true

933
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: of a lot of people who listen to our show.

934
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: You know.

935
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: They make enough money to get by, you know, and

936
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 3: a lot of times what that means is they're living

937
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 3: with a little credit card debt, or maybe they got

938
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: a line of credit out on their home, whatever equity

939
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: they have in their home, or maybe they rent and

940
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: sometimes rent gets paid on time, and sometimes it doesn't,

941
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: because if you want to go out and have dinner

942
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: a couple of nights, maybe maybe you can't pay your

943
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,479
Speaker 3: electrical rent on time. Like a lot of people are

944
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 3: just getting by man and so the stress of you know,

945
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: the rat race of life a little bit keeps you

946
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: from really pondering the existential questions that come up when

947
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: these sort of enormous mergers occur that are so above

948
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: hour even pay grade, even though we're paid to try

949
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: to investigate these things and discuss them and have opinions

950
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: on these things. There's so much we don't know about

951
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 3: what happened between the Saudi royal family and the discussions

952
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: that Jay Monahan, the commissioner of the PGA, and his

953
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: two lieutenants that he was bringing in on these discussions

954
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: had over the course of the eight weeks plus or

955
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: whatever was to get this merger accomplished. But what we

956
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: do know is that A. This is going to have

957
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: a profound impact on the world of golf. B this

958
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: is going to have a profound impact on the world

959
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 3: of sports and how sports are governed. And see they're

960
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: not done yet. No, because this is a treasure troph

961
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: Like you said, the amount of money that this private

962
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: investment fund has, I mean they they could buy the

963
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: NBA five times over and still have money to buy

964
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: the NFL.

965
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's my whole point. So the idea that

966
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: they just wanted to take over golf. Golf was easy

967
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: prey that was low hanging fruit. I mean it was

968
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: easy because they just didn't have the finances to battle

969
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: them well.

970
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: And they did it perfectly because they attacked a nonprofit

971
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: entity correct that doesn't want to open their books, right,

972
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: And they were so fearful that this litigation that they

973
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: were going to be tied up in because again you're

974
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: talking about a bottomless pit of money that the Saudis

975
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 3: have to throw at this. They weren't worried about live

976
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: golf stealing viewership. They weren't about live golf finding a

977
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: way to get more ratings than the PGA had. That

978
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: was never going to happen. That was never going to happen,

979
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: especially with the demographic that golf really does ensnare They

980
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: weren't switching to live golf. But what the PGA was

981
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: most afraid of him, what j Monaghan was most afraid of,

982
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: was the lawsuits against the PGA that if they went

983
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: to trial, discovery would begin, which means that the PGA

984
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: would have to open their books and all of these

985
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: golfers would see how much money the PJA actually is

986
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 3: benefiting from their work and how little they're getting paid

987
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: by comparison, while still flying under the banner as a nonprofit.

988
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: That's the reason why this merger happened.

989
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: That's the reason why because I'm sure every time J

990
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: Monaghan tried to take the moral high ground or try

991
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 3: to reason with these people behind the scenes, every single

992
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 3: time he came with a plan that kept the PGA

993
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 3: and the Live Golf Tour separate, they said, okay, well

994
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: we'll see you in court, and he went, no, we

995
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: can't let that happen, So we have to get back

996
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: to the bargaining table. And what's occurred is now the

997
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: primary and sole investor in the PGA, which I think

998
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 3: the initial investment now is something like two or three

999
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: billion dollars from this this conglomerate that is going to

1000
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 3: oversee the world of golf. J Monaghan the commissioner of

1001
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: the PGA, which I don't know how much longer he's

1002
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: going to.

1003
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: Be the Yeah, I figure, Look, he has a new boss.

1004
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 3: Though, so he's getting broke off in this deal too.

1005
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, you remember in Wall Street where the Charlie

1006
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: Sheen character was running an airline that no longer existed.

1007
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: You're still the CEO. We're just selling off all the asset.

1008
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 2: That is exactly what's happened.

1009
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: What's crazy is he's he's not even it's not even

1010
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 3: like the CEO of the PGA, because that that ship

1011
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: is sailed. The PGA is going to exist in name only, correct.

1012
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 3: So the CEO of this now company, this parent company,

1013
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: over the DP World Tour, right over.

1014
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: The live well, if he covers his job as long

1015
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: as it may last, he's going to have to trumpet

1016
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: the the new regime that has taken over golf. But yes,

1017
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 2: it is very real that this is just the beginning.

1018
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: I think we both agree there. I don't I don't

1019
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: begin insight.

1020
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: This is this is very small money, much bigger money

1021
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: to be made, all right. Coming up on the other side,

1022
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: we're going to get back to the NBA Finals Game

1023
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: five tomorrow and the Denver Nuggets and Yogicic and Murray

1024
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: are they the new faces of the NBA. We'll discuss

1025
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harman or Ritch Hamburger,

1026
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday Live from the Tirak Doc Studios Game

1027
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: five NBA Finals tomorrow in Denver, the Nuggets try to

1028
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: wrap up their first ever championship. By the way, yesterday

1029
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: I was asking about ticket prices for that game. Somebody

1030
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: actually sent me a screenshot from one of the ticket

1031
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: agencies upper level seats, I mean top level, you know,

1032
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: those three hundred level seats, twelve to fifty each, twelve

1033
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars each. So it's going to be

1034
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: rockets in Denver tomorrow as they hope to make history

1035
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: with the Nuggets winning their first ever championship. Could be

1036
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: a problem for the NBA, though, Rich. I mean, when

1037
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: you think about the current NBA, there are only two

1038
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: players in the NBA right now that could late claim

1039
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: to be or have been, the face of the NBA.

1040
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: That would be Lebron James and Steph Curry. These are

1041
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 2: the two most recognizable marketable faces for the NBA. There's

1042
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: a lot of great players, it's just that because of

1043
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: their exploits individually and team wise, they're the guys. And

1044
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: we were talking a little bit earlier about whether or

1045
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: not this Nuggets team's won and done or more than that.

1046
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: I mean, think back to Game three, right, you lose

1047
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: Game two, played horribly in that fourth quarter at home,

1048
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: and they made history in Game three. When we talked

1049
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: about Yoka Chi Murray, I mean, first they talked about

1050
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: the yok was the first guy ever in a Finals

1051
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: game to go thirty twenty ten and then they dug

1052
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: a little deeper. And this was just an unbelievable stat

1053
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: that Yoka Chi Murray were the first teammates, not just

1054
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: in an NBA Finals game, not just in a playoff game,

1055
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: any game in the history of the NBA to have

1056
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: teammates in the same game have triple doubles scoring at

1057
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: least thirty points. It had never been done in.

1058
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: Any NBA game, let alone the final.

1059
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: Let it alone the Finals. Right, So if the Nuggets

1060
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: come back next year, and again we're just assuming they're

1061
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: going to close this out, and a little bit later on,

1062
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll have some fun about any kind of

1063
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: a heat comeback, because there is there is a scenario,

1064
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: but I'll get to that later. But if the Denver

1065
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: b Nuggets close it out tomorrow and let's say, come

1066
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: back and win another championship, and another championship, because they

1067
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: have that's a young nucleus, Gordon and Porter. I mean,

1068
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: they got young guys Murray and Jokicic, they could do it.

1069
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: I mean, if they stay healthy and you know, they've

1070
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: been together for a long time, so we see it

1071
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: on the court. That's a great team and they got

1072
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: the right coach. Does jokicch Can Jokich get to the

1073
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: level of a Lebron or a Steph where he actually

1074
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: becomes the face of the NBA? Yo kicch Jokic?

1075
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

1076
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: No matter how many what if they rattle off three

1077
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: in a row, well, here's the point. I mean, Shaq

1078
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: rattled off three in a row. You know, the.

1079
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: NBA will completely have to pivot who they are if

1080
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: they're going to do that. Look, you know, it's actually

1081
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: interesting that the Stanley Cup Final and the NBA Finals

1082
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: occur at the same time because they both have very

1083
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: different feels. Then, or I should say, the NHL has

1084
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: a very international feel to it. The NBA still even

1085
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: though they are global game. You know, probably at this

1086
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 3: point more Asians I'm talking about people who live in

1087
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: Asia watch the NBA than Americans. It's still very much

1088
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 3: a national sport. They have very carefully cultivated their stars

1089
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: over the years. And look, some of it's luck. Like

1090
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: you can't you can't predict that a kid from Akron

1091
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: is going to dominate the league for two decades. You can't.

1092
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 3: You can't predict that you know you're going to have

1093
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: a star rise to the heights of a Lebron James,

1094
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: to use the example, and will will be squeak, squeaky

1095
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: clean publicly, will never you know, run amiss in terms of,

1096
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: you know, some of the things that other players have

1097
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: gotten involved with off the court, suspensions and otherwise. And

1098
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: then also be a champion and a great champion, and

1099
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 3: a good public speaker and a movie star and all

1100
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: the things that you hoped would come in the generation

1101
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: after Michael Jordan, well here we are, or Kobe Bryant

1102
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 3: for that matter.

1103
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: It's kept.

1104
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 3: It's kept the NBA very nationalistic. If Jokic becomes your star,

1105
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: that will that will demark the moment when the NBA

1106
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 3: had to h shift gears and become more of an

1107
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 3: international league.

1108
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: They haven't done.

1109
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: It yet, In fact, I think it's intentionally so that

1110
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: they haven't done it yet. But if if if Jogic

1111
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: is the guy, if a if a Serbian superstar is

1112
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: the guy, well that that officially that will be the

1113
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 3: day that the NBA is no longer like our game

1114
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 3: in terms of America. It becomes a global game, truly

1115
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: becomes a global game for the first time in its existence,

1116
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: and and it'll have a very different feel to it,

1117
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 3: very similar to the NHL has a different feel in

1118
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 3: the United States because it has you know, a huge

1119
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 3: presence from you know, Russia and Eastern Europe in general,

1120
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: and a huge presence from Canada and as well as

1121
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: the United States and our amateur leagues filtering into the NHL.

1122
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 3: But it Yeah, so I think they're going I think

1123
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 3: it could head in that direction, but I think they're

1124
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: gonna do as much as they possibly can to avoid

1125
01:02:59,200 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: that happening.

1126
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting if tomorrow it ends and they

1127
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: hand that Bill Russell Trophy, which is the finals MVP

1128
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: Trophy to Jokic. Where do we go from there? All Right?

1129
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: On the other side, though, I want to get into

1130
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: it's not over yet for the heat. All right, I'll

1131
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: explain why, but first let's find out what is trending

1132
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: right now. So, MATSI, are you a Yokic fan.

1133
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 7: I am.

1134
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 6: It's impressive to see him be so fundamental, using techniques left.

1135
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 7: And right where it's like, I know he knows what

1136
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 7: he's gonna do, we know what he's gonna do.

1137
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 6: He's gonna do it slowly, but he's gonna do it effectively.

1138
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: He just seems to be under such control. Right.

1139
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 6: I watch him, and I'm like, I know you're not flashy,

1140
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 6: I know what you're about to do, yet you can't

1141
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 6: be stopped.

1142
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: Does he have any vertical game right?

1143
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 6: No, he barely gets somebody doesn't mean to. He just

1144
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 6: but his I think guy jump higher than Yokich, but.

1145
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't ens of awareness around the basket, like where

1146
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: he is. He can shoot from any annual and he

1147
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: always seems to know exactly where he is in relation

1148
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: to the rim on the court right, and.

1149
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 6: His shots always touch the top or like the front

1150
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 6: of the rim and bounce in very soft.

1151
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 7: It's never a swoosh hardly ever.

1152
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 6: He has such control, just awareness where the rim is,

1153
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 6: where his teammates are.

1154
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 7: It's incredible to watch. Again, not flashy, still incredible to watch.

1155
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 6: What's incredible to watch is the Diamondbacks right now in

1156
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 6: Major League Baseball.

1157
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 7: They're in first place in the NLS.

1158
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 6: Let's not talk about it because the Dodgers are not

1159
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 6: in first place, but they were down. They scored four

1160
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 6: runs in the top of the ninth inning and have

1161
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 6: taken the lead over the Tigers, so right now they're

1162
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 6: up seven to five.

1163
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 7: It's the bottom of the ninth inning.

1164
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 6: The Tigers have a man on first and third, but

1165
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 6: they're down to their final out. So the Diamondbacks are

1166
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 6: either going to extend their wind streak to five and

1167
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 6: the Tigers are going to extend their losing streak to nine,

1168
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 6: or both of those are going to be snapped. But

1169
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 6: right now, Arizona up seven to five.

1170
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 7: Bottom of the ninth inning.

1171
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 6: The Guardians have had a couple of home runs from

1172
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 6: Andresi Menez and Josh Bell and they're still shutting out

1173
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 6: the Astros. It's five zero. They're about to start the

1174
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 6: eighth inning. Royals and Orioles are tied at three apiece.

1175
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 6: Bottom of the third. Phillies beating my Dodgers one zero.

1176
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 6: Bottom of the third. It was thanks to Bryce Harper

1177
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 6: and RBI single to put the Phillies on the scoreboard.

1178
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 6: Matt Olsen hit a two run homer four hundred and

1179
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 6: twenty one feet, his eighteenth of the season, and the

1180
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 6: Braves are beating the Nationals two to one.

1181
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 7: Bottom of the fourth inning.

1182
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 6: The Mets and the Pirates are tied at one apiece.

1183
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 6: Bottom of the fourth, Jeff McNeil hit that solo home

1184
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 6: run four New York to put them on the scoreboard.

1185
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 6: But Andrew McCutcheon of the Pirates, he recorded his two

1186
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 6: thousandth career hit. In the bottom of the first inning.

1187
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 6: The Twins are beating the Blue Jays four to one.

1188
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 6: Bottom of the third, the Rays are up on the Rangers,

1189
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 6: but the Rangers scored three runs in the third inning

1190
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 6: to make it interesting, so are up four to three.

1191
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 6: They're about to start the fourth inning and the Reds

1192
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 6: have scored first against the Cardinals.

1193
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 7: It's one zero.

1194
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 6: They're about to start the second inning. A little NBA

1195
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 6: news that came out and no, this is not about

1196
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 6: Miami Heat's poor mascot, Bernie.

1197
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 7: That was the lawsuit.

1198
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 8: I just was hospitalized, was hospitalized.

1199
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 7: It was a bit with Connor McGregor.

1200
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 6: It's like, Connor McGregor, did you really punch him like I.

1201
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: Understood he did. Did you see the video?

1202
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 6: I did see the video, But it's like, are you

1203
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 6: that dumb UFC champion and his Scott?

1204
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 7: Would you give.

1205
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: Him a left cross that would have knocked me, you know,

1206
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 3: off the planet Earth? And you just saw the heat

1207
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 3: what's the name of the mascot? Oh Bernie, Oh, Bernie Bernie.

1208
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: By the way, there's an actual person in that mascot.

1209
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: Alpha guys, you understand that, I know? Yeah?

1210
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1211
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: Does he have a lawsuit like up the his name's

1212
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 2: also Bernie. Yeah.

1213
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1214
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 6: I just don't get How did you really punch him?

1215
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 7: If this was a bit, I will.

1216
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: Say this, the mascot has a glass chin because he

1217
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 3: was talking some smack. Yeah, and I thought he'd at

1218
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: least make his way out of the first round. But he,

1219
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he went down like a sack of potadis.

1220
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 7: They just don't get it.

1221
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 6: But the Celtics are finalizing a deal to hire Charles

1222
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 6: Lee as their lead assistant coach. This is according to

1223
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 6: ESPN and Bobby Jackson, a twelve year NBA veteran and

1224
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 6: former six Man of the Year, is joining the Philadelphia seventy.

1225
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 7: Six ers coaching staff. This is according to The Athletic

1226
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 7: Back to you, guys.

1227
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: Hi monse, thank you very much. Yeah, that was bizarre,

1228
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: And I mean, did he sign a waiverers they'll allow

1229
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: that to happen. I hope they didn't, because otherwise.

1230
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor's sake. I hope he did.

1231
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: Wow, because Wow, all of.

1232
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 3: A sudden, you may be paying for that for Bernie's

1233
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 3: new house, and he's going to need a big front

1234
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 3: door to fit that head through.

1235
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 7: I don't care what I signed.

1236
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 6: I'm not expecting McGregor to actually punch me the way

1237
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,479
Speaker 6: he would punch if he was in the ring.

1238
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: It was so stunning. I don't know why you would

1239
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: get him involved in the first place, but that was

1240
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 2: not pretty all right. Well, speaking of knockout punches, a

1241
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: lot of people believe that by winning two games in

1242
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: Miami that the Nuggets have delivered the knockout punch and

1243
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: they're going to wrap it up tomorrow at home. But

1244
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: if you're the Miami Heat, if you're Eric Spolster, and

1245
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: he's a pretty smart coach, all you have to remind

1246
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: your team of, as you had to Denver for Game five,

1247
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: is what happened in the Eastern Conference Finals. Game three

1248
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 2: of the Eastern Conference Finals in Miami. The Boston Celtics

1249
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: didn't just lose to go down three games to none,

1250
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: they quit, At least according to just about everybody that

1251
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: watched that game. It was over. Game four in Miami

1252
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 2: sweep done. Number Magic Johnson said, in my forty four

1253
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: years in this league, I never envisioned the time when

1254
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,440
Speaker 2: I would see a seventeen time champion like the Celtics

1255
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: on the court. The next thing you know, Boston is

1256
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: hosting a Game seven. Yep, and unlike what Boston was

1257
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 2: trying to do having never happened before, what Miami is

1258
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: trying to do has happened before, and it happened against

1259
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: the team with the greatest regular season of all time.

1260
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 2: The Cleveland Cavaliers are down three games to one, and

1261
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: they go back to Golden State for Game five, figuring

1262
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: it's over right wrong. Cavs beat them, went home, evened up,

1263
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 2: the series, went back to Golden State, and one again

1264
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: two out of three. Now you're saying, well, this team

1265
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: doesn't have Lebron James, Okay, but also the Heat are

1266
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 2: not playing a team that was seventy three and nine

1267
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: in the regular season. So I'm not going to say

1268
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: Miami will win this series. But a team that's already

1269
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: gotten this far as an eight seed, I can't see

1270
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: them rolling over. I know one guy that knows that,

1271
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: and that's Mike Malone. I mean, he is just screaming

1272
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: at the top of his lungs. We haven't done anything yet.

1273
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: You got to win four games, So I think that

1274
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 2: the heater going to be relaxed. The place is going

1275
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: to be rocking. But what the heater trying to do

1276
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: to win this series has happened before. Winning two out

1277
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 2: of three on the road and sweeping the last three

1278
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: games has happened. And so I'm not counting this Heat

1279
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: team out. When you got a special player like a

1280
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler, bam Adebayo has been outstanding in the series,

1281
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: they just need somebody, somebody else has got to sort

1282
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: of emerge as a surprise star for this Heat in

1283
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: order for them to win tomorrow's game, because if they

1284
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: win tomorrow, all bets are off.

1285
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 5: Well.

1286
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 3: Jimmy has to have a Jimmy game like Jimmy Buckets

1287
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: is the reason why the Heat are here, and he

1288
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 3: still hasn't had that, you know, forty fifty point game

1289
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 3: like he's had in virtually every other series in these

1290
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 3: playoffs for the Heat where he completely dominates, He carries

1291
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 3: the team for a night and it inspires the rest

1292
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: of the roster to play up.

1293
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 2: They've got a lot out of their role players.

1294
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 3: You mentioned some of the other stars on this starting five,

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Speaker 3: but you know, even their bench and.

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Speaker 2: The depth of.

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Speaker 3: This team has done some great things. So if he

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Speaker 3: can have a night like that and the Heat maybe

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Speaker 3: combine that with a little bit of luck. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this series could be evened out here and all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, we may have a game seven four US.

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Speaker 3: Now that I just said if many many times in

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Speaker 3: a row, and that's what happens when you get yourself

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Speaker 3: into a hole the way the Heat have. But it,

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 3: like you said, it wouldn't be the first time we

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 3: ever saw this. And then second of all, it's it's likely.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say likely. That's probably untrue because

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Speaker 3: Nicolo Jokic and Jamal Murray have played unbelievable basketball, and

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Speaker 3: I don't I see the more likely scenario the Nuggets

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Speaker 3: winning this championship in hoist Ilario O'Brien for the first

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Speaker 3: time in Denver's forty seven year existence as a franchise.

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Speaker 3: But I don't rule it out as a possibility. That's

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Speaker 3: the best way I could phrase it, because Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 3: is a talented enough player. Eric Spolstra for what an

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Speaker 3: NBA coach is worth to a team these days, is

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01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 3: a talented enough coach and has been in these circumstances before.

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Speaker 3: And I think the role players around Jimmy Butler, if

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Speaker 3: they step up, are a talented enough cast of characters

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Speaker 3: that this is conceivable. I don't think it's likely, but

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Speaker 3: it's conceivable.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's conceivable. It's very conceivable. Because again, the thing

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Speaker 2: that I loved about Spolstra and really Jimmy Butler throughout

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01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: this playoff run for the Heat is their demeanor doesn't

1324
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 2: really seem to change win or lose. They just sort

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: of seemed to be saying, Hey, people have been doubting

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Speaker 2: us from the first games, so what's changed. Nothing's changed.

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Speaker 2: Our mentality is the same. If we go out and

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Speaker 2: we can do what we didn't think about it. They

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Speaker 2: did it in that fourth quarter in Game two on

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Speaker 2: the road against Denver. They took over the game, and

1331
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: even the Nuggets had admitt afterwards. We suddenly were prayed

1332
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 2: to their game. They completely took us out of our game.

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Speaker 2: If they could do it once, they can certainly do

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Speaker 2: it again.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, coming up next, I have a theory

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Speaker 3: about the XFL.

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Speaker 2: Oh I've been waiting for this. All right, all right,

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Speaker 2: and again we're talking with you know, Rich Ornberger, remember

1339
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Speaker 2: of the Alliance of American Football Broadcasting Hall of Fame,

1340
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: so he knows about these outlier leagues. All Right, Rich

1341
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 2: is going to break us all the news, the latest

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Speaker 2: on the future of the XFL. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

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Speaker 2: This Steve Harvey, Rich Harberger here, Fox Sports Sunday. We

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01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 2: are back in our tiraq dot com studios. All Right, well, Rich,

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: we've been long awaiting the update on the future of

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Speaker 2: the XFL, and you have some inside information that you

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Speaker 2: are now going to share with our vast radio audience.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't have any new information on the XFL

1349
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 3: outside of what I've read in an article posted by

1350
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated yesterday that the XFL apparently estimated its loss

1351
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 3: is at sixty million dollars in its first season of

1352
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: its latest iteration. So this is the first season for

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 3: the XFL since twenty twenty, when the week's return was

1354
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 3: spoiled by the coronavirus pandemic. Obviously, there was a lot

1355
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 3: of pomp and circumstance around this relaunch, with Dwayne the

1356
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 3: Rock Johnson involved, who now has controlling interest over the league. However,

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 3: they have really fouled to make anything nearing what they

1358
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 3: projected their revenue would be. In fact, they've gone in

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Speaker 3: the hole north of sixty million dollars and they're hoping

1360
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Speaker 3: next year to bring in revenues of one hundred million

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Speaker 3: or more.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I saw this as well. I'm trying to

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01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 2: figure out, all right, you just lost sixty million, right right, right, right,

1364
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: but we're expected to be making one hundred million of revenue.

1365
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 2: How does that work? Well, it's a love and for

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01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: my own personal economics, I'd love to know how that works.

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Speaker 3: It's a long term view, and Dane Dwane Johnson said, look,

1368
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 3: you know, my goal was to get through the first season.

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Speaker 3: This is not just an in Denver that's going to

1370
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 3: fill up a portfolio and one day we flip it

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Speaker 3: and we're out. This is a legacy. This is the

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Speaker 3: long game. Okay. I want to focus on that for

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Speaker 3: a second. Yeah, because I know what he's saying. I

1374
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 3: know that's what he's hoping. But at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, Dwayne the Rock Johnson is a businessman and

1376
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 3: we were just talking about what happened to Live Golf right,

1377
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 3: I Live comes on the scene. They challenge the PGA,

1378
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 3: They pay players to defect to their league. They open

1379
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: lawsuits against the league from its new players, its cast

1380
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 3: of superstars. The PGA folds into a merger with Live Golf.

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Speaker 2: What if? What if?

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01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 3: Now I wrote this tweet, I'm gonna read it to

1383
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 3: you and I want I want you to respond to this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what if the Saudi.

1385
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 3: Public Investment Fund does the same thing to the NFL.

1386
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 3: So the Saudi PIF and the XFL they announce a partnership.

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Speaker 3: They're keeping all the main players in place. Dwayne the

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Speaker 3: Rock Johnson still has his his role with the XFL,

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Speaker 3: but they start dumping insane amounts of money into thes

1390
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Speaker 3: of NFL stars to turn their back on the NFL

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Speaker 3: and join the XFL. And then the XFL and PIF

1392
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 3: encourages its new stars to sue the NFL and never

1393
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: back down because they don't need to, because they can

1394
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 3: pay lawyer fees until the end of the world, because

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Speaker 3: they have a bottomless pit of money. The NFL, in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, will never go to trial because they're never

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Speaker 3: gonna want to open their books because they're a nonprofit

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Speaker 3: entity and they've never had to, just like the PGA.

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Speaker 3: And so what happens. The NFL agrees to merge with

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Speaker 3: the XFL, which is backed by the PFF PIF just

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01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: like the PGA did with Live Golf. It is the

1402
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 3: same exact plan, but instead of Phil Mickelson jumping ship

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Speaker 3: on the PGA to join Live, it's a superstar NFL

1404
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 3: quarterback defecting to the XFL. And that is the first

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:51,799
Speaker 3: domino that falls.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we've been down this path before,

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01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 2: and that was called the American Football League. Lamar Hunt

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01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 2: was a twenty seven year old son of one of

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Speaker 2: the wealthiest people in the world, Hl Hunt, and he

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Speaker 2: was frustrated because he tried to buy his way into

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Speaker 2: the NFL with a Dallas franchise, and when the NFL

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Speaker 2: said no, he said, well, the heck with it, I'll

1413
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Speaker 2: just start my own league. And he had the money,

1414
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Speaker 2: and they were losing gobs of money in the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Several franchises, the Raiders, the Jets, Titans as they were

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Speaker 2: then known, had to be subsidized by rich owners like

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Speaker 2: not only Lamar Hunt, but a young Bud Adams with

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Speaker 2: the Oilers. They had all this money, young guys because

1419
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Speaker 2: they were from wealthy families to keep the league alive.

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Speaker 2: And then what they did was they started buying off

1421
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Speaker 2: NFL players. They started signing NFL players to futures contracts.

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Speaker 2: This is how the whole merger happened. The NFL had

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Speaker 2: to wave the flight because they knew that the AFL

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Speaker 2: had the money.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And you know, here's the thing about the XFL, though,

1427
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 2: about twenty five percent of their revenue comes from their

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Speaker 2: parent broadcast company ESPN, and it's very public knowledge nowadays

1429
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 2: that Disney, which operates ESPN among other entities, is cutting money.

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: You know, they're they're they're they're having to make some

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01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: tough decisions. Without that money, the XFL is not around. So,

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Speaker 2: like you said, maybe there's an alternate means for them

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Speaker 2: to get revenue.

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Speaker 3: Well, imagine paying off Disney and ESPN to back out

1435
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Speaker 3: of this.

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Speaker 2: Sure. I mean, look, when you have seven hundred billion

1437
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: dollars in the conference, I'm just saying you can buy

1438
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Speaker 2: a lot of things.

1439
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Speaker 3: If there is an opportunity or an avenue for the

1440
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 3: Public Investment Fund, the Saudi Public Investment Fund to do

1441
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 3: to the NFL what adjusted to golf, There there's a lane.

1442
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: And for anybody out there who said, well, this will

1443
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 3: never happen to the NFL because all of these owners

1444
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 3: will never count out, well, hang on, what happens if

1445
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 3: all of their dirty laundry is out there on Main Street?

1446
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 3: Because all of a sudden, the XFL players, backed by

1447
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 3: the Saudi Public Investment Fund, are suing the NFL for mistreatment.

1448
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: So do you think the owners are going to just

1449
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 3: allow their skeletons to come tumbling out.

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Speaker 2: Of the closet? Yeah?

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01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 3: Or are they together going to say, you know what,

1452
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:16,799
Speaker 3: we'll merge with the XFL.

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Speaker 2: They have the money to do it. They have the

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Speaker 2: money to do whatever they want to do. Now, speaking

1455
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Speaker 2: of the NFL, we have the updated news. This is

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday, all right, much more to get to

1457
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Speaker 2: here on a busy Sunday. This is Fox Sports Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and we are broadcasting live from the tirag dot com studios.

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Speaker 2: on the NBA Finals rezumes tomorrow in Denver. Now gets

1464
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: trying to wrap it up there to win their first

1465
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: ever NBA championship. I also want to get to some golf.

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Speaker 2: The US Open is getting underway this week. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that a little bit later on Rich, but I

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Speaker 2: want to get some NFL news out of the way.

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Speaker 2: Get your thoughts. One of the big stories this week

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Speaker 2: in the NFL did not come as a surprise, but

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Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out where this team is

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Speaker 2: going next. The Minnesota Vikings released Dalvin Cook. This is

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Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook, who has been in the Pro Bowl the

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01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: last four years in a row. Over the last four years,

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01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: only Derrick Henry has more yards per scrimmage amongst running

1476
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 2: backs in the NFL. He's also running back to played

1477
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: all seventeen games last year, all seventeen games. I know

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Speaker 2: he has a fairly hefty price tag. He has not

1479
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 2: even turned twenty eight yet, and based on his availability,

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01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 2: and I know he did suffer a shoulder injury last

1481
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: year that had it's not as legs. So Dalvin Cook

1482
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 2: is still one of the elite running backs in this league.

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01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: And the Vikings determine that we need to spend our

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01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: money elsewhere. So my question to you is is this

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01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 2: a wise move by the Vikings and which teams or

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01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: teams should be interested in acquiring Dalvin Cook? And then

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Speaker 2: I guess the follow up is exactly how do you

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01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: use a Dalvin Cook or a running back in general

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Speaker 2: in today's NFL?

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Speaker 3: Well, all of those are great questions. To start with

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01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings. I think the reason why they moved

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01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 3: on from Dalvin Cook is because, given where they're at

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01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: from a payroll standpoint or salary cap standpoint, they don't

1494
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 3: see the value in paying ten million dollars to a

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01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 3: running back, which is a lot of money in today's NFL.

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01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 3: And the reasons are obvious because we see this year

1497
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 3: after year. There are running backs who appear to come

1498
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 3: from obscurity, undrafted free agents, guys who were scrapped heaped

1499
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Speaker 3: by a different team, come to a different franchise and

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Speaker 3: end up having success beyond anything anybody could have foreseen

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01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 3: or predicted. You know, lower round draft picks breaking into

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01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 3: the NFL and having unbelievable seasons. This happens routinely. You know.

1503
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 3: Bygone are the days where teams you know, typically spend

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Speaker 3: high round draft picks on running backs. Although I say

1505
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 3: that and two running backs went within the first twelve

1506
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 3: picks of this year's NFL draft. We could get to

1507
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 3: that in a moment. But focusing on Dalvin Cook and

1508
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 3: where he goes next and how he's going to be utilized,

1509
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be very similar to how

1510
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey was utilized by the San Francisco forty nine ers.

1511
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,839
Speaker 3: They had this space in their payroll, they brought him aboard,

1512
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 3: and they found a way to highlight him not only

1513
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 3: in the run game, but also in the passing game

1514
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 3: because he's such a talented receiver. Dalvin Cook not nearly

1515
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 3: the receiver Christian McCaffrey is, but but is a talented

1516
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: receiver and can threaten you in the passing game. And

1517
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 3: also we've seen what he's done on the ground year

1518
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 3: after year for the past four seasons. So I think

1519
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: whatever team picks him up is probably going to try

1520
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: to get him for a bargain, Maybe get him to

1521
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 3: restructure his contract compared to what he's worth right now

1522
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 3: in free agency, or you know, pay some of that

1523
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 3: money upfront and guarantees and get his get his h hit.

1524
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: What he's what he's doue this year in terms of

1525
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 3: his salary down this way, it doesn't affect his next

1526
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 3: team salary cap as much, and then they're going to

1527
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 3: try to use him similarly to how the San Francisco

1528
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 3: forty nine ers used Christen McCaffrey. We'll see if all

1529
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,719
Speaker 3: that happens, but I think I think two things about

1530
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 3: this story. I think one which what ever team ends

1531
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 3: up signing Dalvin Cook is going to be very happy

1532
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 3: with the signing, assuming they don't overpay him and he

1533
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 3: stays healthy. The other thing I feel about this is

1534
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 3: the NFL is just heading in a different direction where

1535
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 3: typically the only big contracts you see running backs get

1536
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 3: typically are going to be the first contract they get

1537
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 3: in the draft, and after that it's been somewhat devalued.

1538
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,879
Speaker 3: Unless you're Dereck Henry and you know you're the exception.

1539
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 2: Well, and let's see what happened with Ezekiel Elliott, right,

1540
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 2: the Cowboys gave him all that money and got very

1541
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 2: diminished returns. There's another story that's a big story in

1542
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 2: terms of running backs. The league's leading rusher, Josh Jacobs,

1543
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: has yet to sign his franchise tag agreement with the Raiders,

1544
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: and he's trying to get a deal done by July fifteenth,

1545
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 2: and with Dalvin Cook on the open market, it is

1546
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: conceivable that the Raiders could withdraw their franchise tag offer

1547
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: to Josh Jacobs go and try to bring in a

1548
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook at less money. If you're Josh Jacobs, so

1549
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: under the franchise tag he could make ten million guarantee

1550
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: fully guaranteed in twenty twenty three and a twenty percent

1551
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 2: raise the following year, or you know, apply for free agency.

1552
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: And that's that's a lot of money for any running

1553
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: back out there. I agree with you, Rich, it's it's

1554
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 2: it's a very precarious situation. Austin Eckler prime example of

1555
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: this with the Chargers, you know who was just a

1556
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: gem for the Chargers. Undrafted rookie has been a highly

1557
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: productive running back and the best thing you could get

1558
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 2: out of the Chargers were a little few more incentives

1559
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: in his contract. You know, if you do well, we'll

1560
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,480
Speaker 2: pay you a little bit more money. He had zero leverage.

1561
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 3: Well I was, I was saying this yesterday. Look at

1562
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 3: a running back, for example in the NFL today, like

1563
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 3: a good season for running back is thousand yards, you know,

1564
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 3: something north of a five yard or I should say

1565
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 3: north of a four yard per tarry stat line. You know, honestly,

1566
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 3: that even has diminished in its importance. It's really how

1567
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 3: many yards you can gain after contact. I think some

1568
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 3: of the more advanced analytics on the running backs are

1569
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 3: the more reliable analytics. But I digress to prove the

1570
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 3: point that when you are relying on a run game,

1571
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 3: the yards that you can gain per touch are so

1572
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 3: much inferior to those that you can gain per touch

1573
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 3: in the passing game. Like a good season for a receiver,

1574
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 3: instead of it being somewhere hovering around four or five

1575
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 3: yards per touch as compared to the run game, it's

1576
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 3: something like fourteen or fifteen yards per per catch, you know.

1577
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 3: So the value in the NFL, especially the way they've

1578
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 3: changed the rules to highlight the pass game, really goes

1579
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 3: to the receivers. And that's the reason why you're seeing

1580
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 3: these absurd contracts. The same thing that happened to running

1581
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 3: backs in the nineties is happening to receivers now in

1582
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 3: the twenty twenties because the game has changed into a

1583
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 3: passing game.

1584
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about this, and I mentioned

1585
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 2: this to Bucky yesterday. So you know how it is

1586
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: in high school. Go back to your days when you

1587
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 2: were the first lineman ever to be named the New

1588
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 2: York high school football player of the Year, still the

1589
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 2: only one, I think, But I mean when you went

1590
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 2: to Penn State, you you were thinking in terms of

1591
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 2: being probably a defensive lineman unless you went up against

1592
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 2: Lomas Brown, and then all of a sudden you realize, Okay,

1593
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 2: Levi Brown, Levi Brown, and you realize, well, maybe maybe

1594
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 2: this is not where I attend to be, and then

1595
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 2: they switch you to offensive line and you became an

1596
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 2: All American and then onto the NFL. So if you're

1597
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 2: if you have the athletic skills to be a running back,

1598
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 2: you pretty much have the athletic skills to play any

1599
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 2: position on the field.

1600
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could argue that.

1601
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: And so if I'm thinking to myself, all right, my

1602
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 2: college guy wants to make me a running back. And

1603
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 2: by the way, that also probably means if you're an

1604
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: elite running back at the collegiate level, you're going to

1605
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 2: carry the ball twenty five to thirty times a game.

1606
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: On top of catching the ball, They're going to use

1607
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 2: you a lot, which is gonna limit how much gas

1608
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 2: is left in your tank when he gets to the

1609
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: next level. My point being is, if I'm that level

1610
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: of athlete, I don't know if I really want to

1611
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 2: play running back anymore.

1612
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 3: Dude, it's changing.

1613
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't change. You don't make me. I

1614
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: want to be a receiver. I want to do a

1615
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: defensive back, cornerback. I don't want to be running back

1616
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,879
Speaker 2: because running back, to me offers me probably the shortest

1617
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: amount of time in the NFL, which in turns means

1618
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 2: the least amount of possible money. It's a dying position,

1619
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: and I just wonder, as we continue to evolve with

1620
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 2: this position, whether or not we are headed toward extinction.

1621
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's probably a step too far down

1622
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 3: the roads as of yet.

1623
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: But what you're saying is true.

1624
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 3: If you go to any pee wee or youth league

1625
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 3: clinic or practice or game, everybody wants to play wide receiver.

1626
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 3: Everyone wants to be a quarterback or a wide receiver.

1627
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 3: It used to be everybody wanted to be the team's

1628
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 3: running back.

1629
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1630
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 3: It used to be that way because every team was

1631
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 3: running the option in high school or the zone game

1632
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 3: in high school and they wanted to be the star

1633
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 3: of that of that team. And typically the passing game,

1634
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 3: especially at the youth league level and even at the

1635
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 3: high school level, was a run first, play action pass

1636
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 3: style offense. Well, that's all changed. That's all changed. Seven

1637
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 3: on seven football is played everywhere all season, all seasons

1638
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 3: during the fall. You're seeing certain high schools never go

1639
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 3: under center. They're playing exclusively out of the gun. In fact,

1640
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 3: I think within the next decade that's going to be

1641
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 3: the majority of teams. And so as a result, with

1642
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 3: the diminishment of the old school pro style offense where

1643
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 3: the run back truly is the feature of the offense.

1644
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 3: Even when we got away from you know, the the fullback,

1645
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 3: the running back still was the future piece of the offense.

1646
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 3: In the zone game, that has dissipated and it's really

1647
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 3: turned into your running back has to be equally as

1648
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 3: good a pass catcher as he is a ball carrier.

1649
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 3: And so I think very soon here you're going to

1650
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 3: see a steep decline in the talent level at running

1651
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 3: back or just you know, sort of what's happened to

1652
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,879
Speaker 3: the tight end. I mean, tight ends are barely involved

1653
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 3: in the blocking game. Anymore outside of you know, say

1654
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: George Kittle or Rob Gronkowski, who are the rare and

1655
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 3: unique birds in all this. I mean, for the most part,

1656
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 3: tight ends are wide receivers. I think the same thing

1657
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 3: is going to happen to the running back position here

1658
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 3: pretty soon, because everybody wants to be a wide receiver.

1659
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 3: In fact, tight ends now who are so involved in

1660
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 3: the passing game, who are on their rookie contract and

1661
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 3: the NFLPA, with the help of the NFLPA, they're trying

1662
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 3: to fight to have tight ends included in the wide

1663
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 3: receiver franchise tag money because they don't want to be

1664
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 3: tagged like their tight ends anymore. They want to be

1665
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 3: tagged like their wide receivers because the majority of their

1666
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 3: importance is served in the passing game, in while running

1667
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 3: routes and catching footballs. So the point is well founded

1668
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 3: and it's well heard here. But I don't know if

1669
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 3: that means that we're going to see the extinction of

1670
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 3: the running back position. I think what we're going to

1671
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 3: see is it sort of morph into what the tight

1672
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 3: end position has become.

1673
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: All right. On the other side, I want to get

1674
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 2: to a story again out of the NFL and let

1675
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 2: let's let's be clear about this. In a team sport,

1676
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 2: the pieces have to fit, pieces have to fit. The

1677
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 2: teams that find the right formula for the puzzle are

1678
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,280
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1683
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Speaker 2: about a piece, aka a player, whether or or not

1684
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: he's the right fit for a certain team. Who is it?

1685
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 2: Which team are we talking about? This is Fox Sports Sunday,

1686
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 2: Steve Hartman and Ritchrnberger, Fox Sports Sunday Live from the

1687
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 2: tire rack dot Com studios, watching a variety of things here.

1688
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 2: By the way, Freddie Freeman, Yeah, just hit a home

1689
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 2: run for the Dodgers. This guy awful lefty too. He's uh,

1690
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 2: he's sitting in about three point forty this year with power.

1691
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: Pretty talented guy. Uh, he's a Hall of Famer. I

1692
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: mean what he did in Atlanta, he's done the last

1693
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 2: couple of years with the Dodgers. I mean that guy.

1694
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: He's good. He's really good. One of the reasons. How

1695
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 2: about the Arizona Cardinals, I've excuse me, the Arizona Diamondbacks

1696
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:57,719
Speaker 2: leading the N West.

1697
01:33:58,120 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's shocking.

1698
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 2: I mean because I told you I was just in Phoenix,

1699
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 2: you know, on Thursday and Friday. And I have to admit,

1700
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 2: because I talked to some of the locals at this

1701
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 2: celebration of life that I was at, They're like, where

1702
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,719
Speaker 2: did this come from? This steam lots like one hundred

1703
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 2: and ten games a couple of years ago, and they're

1704
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 2: in a shock right now. And I said, well, you know,

1705
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 2: it's funny because I was in San Diego for several

1706
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 2: years and the Padres seemingly came out of nowhere. I mean,

1707
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 2: from like dead, like nobody going to the ballpark to

1708
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 2: a wildly hot ticket. So yeah, we'll see how this

1709
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 2: plays out. But the Dodgers are where they are despite

1710
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 2: their lack of pitching, thanks to guys like Freddie Freeman. Now,

1711
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 2: in any sport, rich the pieces have to fit, and

1712
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 2: this is the jigsaw puzzle for general managers, for managers,

1713
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:58,520
Speaker 2: for coaches, finding the right combination of players and franchises

1714
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 2: that are successful long periods of time very simply have

1715
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 2: been able to master the puzzle fitting better than others.

1716
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 2: And the New England Patriots have obviously been that with

1717
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, they've been able to plug in the right

1718
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 2: pieces and eliminate the bad pieces quickly. We've said this

1719
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 2: many times. One of the great parts of the Patriots'

1720
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 2: success over the years is recognizing mistakes yep, and eliminating

1721
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 2: them immediately, whether it was a high draftic high price

1722
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 2: free agent. If they feel like this is a bad fit,

1723
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,919
Speaker 2: they don't try to force it in, like I'm convinced

1724
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 2: this is gonna fit. It's not gonna fit, and they unload.

1725
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 2: And that's how they operate, and that's how they stayed

1726
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 2: where they are. So DeAndre Hopkins is going to visit

1727
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 2: with the Patriots, and there's so many different storylines. Bill

1728
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 2: O'Brien is now the offensive coordinator. This is the same

1729
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien who's head coach and general manager dumped DeAndre

1730
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: Hopkins at the top of his game yep. And then

1731
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 2: on top of that, when you hear about d hop

1732
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 2: he's not a practice guy like he was a guy

1733
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,879
Speaker 2: that and maybe this was a frustration with Bill O'Brien

1734
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 2: is that d hop was a gamer, and maybe we

1735
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't practice all the time or didn't practice at a

1736
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 2: high level. And when you that can be very frustrating

1737
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 2: for coaches, but for someone like yourself that knows all

1738
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:29,719
Speaker 2: too well how the New England Patriots operate. Because here's

1739
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: the thing about d hop some of the other teams

1740
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: that you're talking about, you don't talking about the Bills

1741
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs, And you know, he might be the

1742
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 2: second or third option in New England. He could be

1743
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:39,799
Speaker 2: the number one.

1744
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 3: Option, Oh no question.

1745
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 2: I mean he would be better certainly than anyone they

1746
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 2: have on their current roster. But in a need where

1747
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 2: they're competing against you know, the high flying Jets now

1748
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers, certainly a team on the upswing, the Dolphins,

1749
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 2: the Bills are the Bills. Do you think that the

1750
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 2: Patriots may been the rules a little bit in order

1751
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 2: to accommodate a talent like DeAndre Hopkins, hoping that his

1752
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 2: game would help them win additional games. Will they make

1753
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 2: exceptions or would he have to play the normal game

1754
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,839
Speaker 2: in order to be a New England Patriot.

1755
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 3: No, they absolutely would make us exceptions. And I think

1756
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 3: that's actually a little bit, and it's not your fault

1757
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 3: because I think you sort of outlined what the New

1758
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 3: England Patriots are and what they aren't perfectly, you know.

1759
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 3: I think they are pretty ego lists. And this is

1760
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 3: all really around Bill Belichick and his vision of what

1761
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 3: success looks like in terms of if they sign a

1762
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:45,480
Speaker 3: bad contract, or if they sign even a good contract,

1763
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 3: they'd rather cut ties earlier than later. Whereas like in

1764
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 3: terms of a good contract, a player may even still

1765
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,799
Speaker 3: have a good season or two left in New England,

1766
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 3: but they're going to get rid of him before he'st

1767
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 3: it's rotting on the vine, you know. So we've seen

1768
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 3: this many times before with superstars with the New England

1769
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 3: Patriots who were traded or they were released because the

1770
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 3: thought process in New England was this is an aging

1771
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 3: veteran and we need to start cultivating the next iteration

1772
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 3: of that position group otherwise we're going to get old

1773
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 3: really fast all of a sudden. So we've seen that

1774
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 3: with good contracts end bad like you described. However, when

1775
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 3: when some of these contracts are minted, like where they

1776
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 3: bring in an aging veteran free agent who still has

1777
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,759
Speaker 3: some tread left on the tires. They will accommodate that player.

1778
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 3: They'll accommodate that player. When during my time there, it

1779
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 3: was Randy Moss, and if Randy needed a day, if

1780
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 3: he needed a VET day where he needed to be

1781
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 3: out there in sweats instead of practicing, he would get

1782
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 3: a VET day. You know, if a guy, you know,

1783
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 3: all of a sudden kind of had a lingering lower

1784
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 3: back situation going on, where you know, whenever it sparks up,

1785
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 3: he can go into the training room and get a

1786
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 3: massage and then watch practice for a day. Yeah, I mean, like,

1787
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure the coaching staff knows what's that all about.

1788
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 3: But there's a legitimate excuse. There's a quote unquote injury there,

1789
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 3: and you have a veteran player who understands how to

1790
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 3: get ready for the game, but isn't putting themselves through

1791
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 3: the riggers of practice to save themselves for a game day.

1792
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 3: I saw that stuff happen my entire time in New England,

1793
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 3: and it still happens to this day. So Bill Belichick

1794
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 3: he gets labeled as this tyrant, and really he's a

1795
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 3: player's coach, he really is. He understands how physical the

1796
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 3: game is. He understands how certain players are better game

1797
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 3: players than they are practice players, and he makes those

1798
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 3: accommodations for certain players. So if DeAndre Hopkins is interested

1799
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 3: in playing in a place where obviously you're gonna work

1800
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 3: really hard and it's gonna be one voice and one

1801
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 3: vision at the top and everybody has to do it

1802
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 3: the quote unquote Patriot way, if he can do it

1803
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,879
Speaker 3: that way, well, I don't think that the practice schedule

1804
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 3: is going to be the reason why they can't make

1805
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 3: this work.

1806
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting you mentioned that about Belichick, and

1807
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 2: really I would say that would be a common denominator

1808
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 2: for all successful coaches. John Wooden, Yeah, I remember talking

1809
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 2: to coach Woulden several times about different personalities that he

1810
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 2: had to work with, especially during the late sixties early seventies,

1811
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 2: right it was it was a time of college unrest,

1812
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 2: you know, with all the protests and everything else. And

1813
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 2: his two biggest stars, Leuel Cinder became Kareem abdul Jabbar

1814
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 2: and Bill Walt, were very strong minded, very bright young

1815
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 2: guys there were very much a part of their time,

1816
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 2: and so he admitted that, you know, in order for

1817
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 2: them to focus on what he needed them to focus on,

1818
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 2: along with school obviously was basketball that he had to,

1819
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 2: you know, sort of play to their personalities. Let be

1820
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 2: who they wanted it right, And he goes, look, there

1821
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 2: were some guys that you need to coddle and there

1822
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:05,719
Speaker 2: are other guys where you need to kick him the ass.

1823
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 2: And you have to play everybody differently. You have to

1824
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 2: understand each individual person. I know two people are alike

1825
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 2: and what makes them tick, what gets them going, And

1826
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 2: it sounds like Belichick certainly has that all right. On

1827
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,559
Speaker 2: the other side, I want to get We were talking

1828
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 2: a little bit about the AFC East. Are we all

1829
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 2: on a cord right now? It could be. Bob Kraft

1830
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 2: said it was the toughest division. By the way, your

1831
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 2: patriots only have been given an eight percent chance to

1832
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 2: win the AFC East. When is the last time that happened?

1833
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 2: Percent chance of winning the AFC East? But I want

1834
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 2: to stay with the AFC East. But first let is

1835
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 2: find out what is trending right now. Matzie, you always

1836
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 2: have struck me as a very self motivated individual. I mean,

1837
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 2: were you raised with someone kicking you in the butt

1838
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:59,799
Speaker 2: to get you going or were you always self motivated?

1839
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 6: My brothers definitely kicked me in the butt.

1840
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 2: Real.

1841
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 7: Yes, they were much older than me, so but you.

1842
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,520
Speaker 6: Were self motivated, Yeah, but I think it was following

1843
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 6: them too.

1844
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 5: You know.

1845
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 6: They were very active, they played club sports, they had

1846
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 6: One of my brothers had like a job very early

1847
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 6: on because he wanted to buy his own car when

1848
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 6: he was like seventeen.

1849
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

1850
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he was like, my oldest brother is ten

1851
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 6: years older, and when he turned eighteen, my dad bought

1852
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 6: him like a little car, you know, something super cheap,

1853
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:29,719
Speaker 6: just to get him around. And when my other brother,

1854
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 6: who's two years younger than him, eight years older than me,

1855
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 6: was approaching, you know, eighteen years old, he was like, yeah, no,

1856
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 6: I can't drive around a bad car, Dad, I have

1857
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,680
Speaker 6: to get a good car. Like from the beginning, he

1858
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 6: was like, I need something better than what you could

1859
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 6: offer me. When I turned eighteen, my dad also gave

1860
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 6: me a little Nissan Sentra, like all little car to

1861
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 6: get me around.

1862
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 7: And I didn't even want to drive. When I was eighteen.

1863
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 6: I used to be driven around by my mom all

1864
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 6: my club sports, and then when I turned eighteen, she

1865
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 6: was like, I am done.

1866
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 7: You're gonna go get your driver's license.

1867
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 6: So on my eighteenth birthday, she made me take my

1868
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 6: driving test.

1869
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:04,600
Speaker 2: Like it's amazing you mentioned that. All right, all of

1870
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 2: my kids, all of my two sons and my youngest me,

1871
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 2: my daughter, they weren't all that anxious to get their

1872
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 2: drivers Like this was not literally I turned sixteen. I'm like,

1873
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 2: that's the day because my birthday's the fourth of July.

1874
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 2: With their clothes nowadays, like yeah, sort.

1875
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 7: Of yeah, like oh man to try myself.

1876
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,759
Speaker 2: No, I guess because my daughter has two older brothers,

1877
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 2: she never really felt that. I mean I could tell

1878
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 2: she was a go give ry of that day. Yeah.

1879
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was just in our family, you know,

1880
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 6: from the beginning. It's all I've ever known some you know,

1881
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 6: hustler baby for sure.

1882
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 2: Guys.

1883
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 7: I just saw a.

1884
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 6: Video I was looking right before you cut to me.

1885
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 6: It is a YouTuber called mister Beast. He's doing like

1886
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,799
Speaker 6: a video about this one billion dollar yacht.

1887
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 7: Here's the thing.

1888
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 6: Tom Brady joins him at the end of this video

1889
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 6: and they start throwing the football, and the guys like,

1890
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,759
Speaker 6: all right, let's see if you can hit my drone,

1891
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 6: and he starts flying a drone off the yacht and

1892
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 6: Tom Brady says, if I get it on the first try.

1893
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 6: Maybe I should think about unretiring. He gets it on

1894
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 6: the first track. So this was posted yesterday. It's mister

1895
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,640
Speaker 6: Beast is the YouTuber if you want to check it out.

1896
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 7: You can also see this one billion dollar yacht. Holy mackerel.

1897
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 2: Ops.

1898
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 6: I can't even but he does hit it, and he

1899
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 6: says that all right. Let's go on to Major League Baseball.

1900
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 6: The Dodgers are on the scoreboard thanks to a solo

1901
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 6: home run which you mentioned by Freddie Freeman, but the

1902
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 6: Phillies are still up. It's four to one top of

1903
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 6: the seventh inning in Philadelphia, the Nationals of taking the

1904
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 6: lead over the Braves. It's six to two bottom of

1905
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 6: the seventh inning. The Mets are still losing to the Pirates.

1906
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,759
Speaker 6: In Pittsburgh, two to one. Top of the eighth inning.

1907
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:47,480
Speaker 6: The Royals and the Orioles.

1908
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 7: That's hard.

1909
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 6: We're tying at one point, but Baltimore is up seven

1910
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 6: to three. Top of the seventh inning. The Blue Jays

1911
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 6: have scored, but it doesn't matter. Twins still on top.

1912
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 6: It's six y four bottom of the fifth inning, the

1913
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 6: Rangers taking on the best team in baseball the Rays

1914
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 6: and Tampa Bay is up seven to three. Bottom of

1915
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 6: the seventh, Marlins have scored first against the White Sox.

1916
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 6: It's one zero. They're about to start the sixth inning.

1917
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 6: How about this guy is the A's. This is not

1918
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 6: a typo. The A's have won four in a row.

1919
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 2: What going on here?

1920
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 6: They've won four in a row and they just took

1921
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 6: the lead over the Brewers. Seth Brown hit a three

1922
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 6: run homer in the fourth inning. I mean it took

1923
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 6: eleven pitches, but he got it. And the A's are

1924
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 6: beating the Brewers four to two. In Milwaukee, bottom of

1925
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 6: the fifth, the Cardinals up on the Reds three to two.

1926
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 6: They're about to start the sixth inning. And the Rockies

1927
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 6: have scored first against the Padres. It's one zero, top

1928
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Speaker 6: of the second inning. Two games have finished today. The

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Speaker 6: Diamondbacks have now won officially six in a row. The

1930
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Speaker 6: Tigers have lost nine in a row. Arizona had to

1931
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Speaker 6: score four runs in the ninth inning, but they beat

1932
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Speaker 6: Detroit seven to five, and the Guardians this shout out

1933
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Speaker 6: the Astros at home five zero. Shane Bieber pitched seven innings,

1934
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Speaker 6: only gave up three hits, and struck out nine in

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Speaker 6: the victory.

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Speaker 7: Back to you guys.

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Speaker 2: By the way, every time I check my Twitter accounts

1938
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 2: uh and again, you can follow us at Ormberger, at

1939
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 2: Cannon Hartman, at Moncey Belanas. By the way, cor I

1940
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 2: always I look down and like comments Moncey is the best.

1941
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Speaker 2: That's all I get. I get. I get a lot

1942
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Speaker 2: of Moncey is the best, Moncey, this Moncey that not

1943
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Speaker 2: much about you and.

1944
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Speaker 7: Me rich, but a lot because we already know you're

1945
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Speaker 7: the best.

1946
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I usually not what I hear,

1947
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Speaker 2: although somebody last week I believe, said that I was

1948
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Speaker 2: the Let me see if I can find actually, you.

1949
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Speaker 3: Know what I'm thinking to myself. I've never actually been

1950
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Speaker 3: called the best. I've been called the worst. Oh yeah

1951
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Speaker 3: on Twitter.

1952
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,759
Speaker 2: No, here was one somebody said, I'm talking about Austin

1953
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 2: Reeves and that potential hundred million dollar deal, and someone

1954
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 2: said Reeves the unsung hero of the Lakers, like Hartman

1955
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:56,640
Speaker 2: is to f s R. I had to do a

1956
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,560
Speaker 2: double take. I was like, is that actually a compliment?

1957
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 2: I can't read all the negative things here because frankly,

1958
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,520
Speaker 2: I can't read them on the on the devil. Yeah,

1959
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of that to believe me exactly.

1960
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Speaker 2: That's exactly that. All right, Moncie, thank you very much.

1961
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Speaker 2: Checking with you a little bit later on. All right,

1962
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 2: we were talking a little bit about the Patriots whether

1963
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 2: or not de Hop would be a nice move for them.

1964
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 2: Anything would be an upgrade, certainly with a receiving corps,

1965
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Speaker 2: that's for sure help out Mac Jones and Bill O'Brien

1966
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 2: with that offense. But there's one team that is pretty

1967
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 2: well set right now in terms of their offense, and

1968
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 2: that is the New York Jets with the addition of

1969
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. So Aaron Rodgers came out this week saying

1970
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,640
Speaker 2: this is the most fun he's had in years. He

1971
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 2: showed up for every single day of OTAs everyone didn't

1972
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 2: miss a single one. Now, he had what was it,

1973
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 2: a little injury there for a while, missed a couple

1974
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 2: of practices, but he was still there. So how does

1975
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 2: that translate to you in terms of what we're actually

1976
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 2: going to see on the field. By the way, he

1977
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 2: will turn forty during this season. All this enthusiasm. If

1978
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 2: you're a Jets fan, like if you're Jason Smith, you

1979
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 2: know lives and Breeze, Jets football is the enthusiasm coming

1980
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Speaker 2: out of Aaron Rodgers' mouth translate into huge I mean,

1981
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Speaker 2: expectations are obviously there, but will translate into huge success

1982
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Speaker 2: on the field in twenty twenty three.

1983
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Speaker 3: I think that I think that Aaron Rodgers, when surrounded

1984
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 3: with talented players in healthy is one of those players

1985
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 3: still who tilts things dramatically in the direction of success,

1986
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 3: and will with the New York Jets, again, assuming health,

1987
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 3: will have one of those seasons we look back on

1988
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 3: and we say to ourselves, like, yeah, this is all

1989
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 3: that was missing. Like what we said all throughout the

1990
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two season was accurate, that the Jets really

1991
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 3: need a starting quarterback, really need a guy who can

1992
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:13,640
Speaker 3: get the football to his playmakers consistently and accurately, who

1993
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Speaker 3: understands the offense, who can help add some wrinkles to

1994
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Speaker 3: the offense, to teach and to motivate like a veteran

1995
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 3: quarterback can that. You know, Frankly, it's not his fault,

1996
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 3: but at this young point of his progression, Zach Wilson

1997
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 3: couldn't do, Joe Flacco didn't have enough left to really do,

1998
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Speaker 3: and Mike White couldn't as well. I mean, those are

1999
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Speaker 3: your three starting quarterbacks in New York last year. It

2000
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 3: just wasn't gonna happen. But with Aaron Rodgers, I mean,

2001
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Speaker 3: regardless of what anybody thinks of him personally, and a

2002
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 3: lot of people can't separate how they feel about him

2003
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Speaker 3: personally from the player himself, is inarguably still a top

2004
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,520
Speaker 3: five performer in the NFL when he has a surrounding

2005
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 3: cast that's worth their salt, and when he's healthy. And

2006
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 3: that's plain and simple. That is an accurate statement.

2007
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Speaker 2: By the way, the Jets are one of three teams

2008
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 2: that have said no, no, no, no, no to hard knocks. Yeah,

2009
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 2: apparently there's only one team that hasn't said no. Maybe

2010
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 2: the NFL will say no, and that's the Commanders, which

2011
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 2: is a very awkward situation with a transition and ownership

2012
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Speaker 2: and everything else. So the Jets are the team we

2013
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 2: want to see, right, So if you're the Jets and

2014
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Speaker 2: the NFL steps in and said, all right, we know

2015
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Speaker 2: you don't want to do this, but we need you.

2016
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Speaker 2: You need to do this, And if I'm the Jets,

2017
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, all right, what's our trade off? In other words,

2018
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Speaker 2: if we're going to do you a favor by exposing

2019
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Speaker 2: ourselves and Hard Knocks. What are you going to give

2020
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Speaker 2: us in return? Let's say a deal gets done. If

2021
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 2: you're the Jets and obviously Hard Knocks won, it says

2022
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Speaker 2: much of Aaron Rodgers as humanly possible. How would you

2023
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Speaker 2: handle that in terms of accommodating the producers? Are hard

2024
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 2: Knocks for this Jets team? Listen?

2025
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Speaker 3: I feel like hard Knocks unless uh it's it's somewhat

2026
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 3: run its course.

2027
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Speaker 2: Well got a revival thanks to Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so that's the only time Hard Knocks is

2029
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Speaker 3: successful anymore. If there's a head coach who can really

2030
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Speaker 3: keep the thing.

2031
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Speaker 2: Afloat, how about Robert Salah. Is he that kind of guy?

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Speaker 3: I mean, potentially, although I don't think I see it, not,

2033
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Speaker 3: not quite the way I did with Dan Campbell. Or

2034
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Speaker 3: for example, the last time the New York Jets were

2035
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Speaker 3: on I believe it was when Rex Ryan was a

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Speaker 3: head coach.

2037
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Speaker 2: I told you I went to Courtland for that one.

2038
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Speaker 3: I was actually there, and I think I think he

2039
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Speaker 3: did a great job keeping it entertaining Dan Campbell the same.

2040
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what hard knocks. That's what I've found

2041
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 3: out that Hard Knocks relies on now because if you

2042
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Speaker 3: want access to players during social during excuse me, training camp,

2043
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,839
Speaker 3: just go to social media. All those clips are posted

2044
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Speaker 3: throughout throughout a camp. Like, you know, guys, it's not

2045
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 3: like they're entering solitary confinement or or being jailed. Like,

2046
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Speaker 3: they still have their cell phones. They can still interact

2047
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Speaker 3: and tweet and put out Instagram videos and TikTok videos,

2048
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 3: and so we have that kind of insight now that

2049
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,640
Speaker 3: we didn't frankly have when Hard Knocks first launched. But

2050
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Speaker 3: what Hard Knocks needs is a coach. They need the

2051
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 3: coach to be the character. So I mean, I don't know,

2052
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Speaker 3: maybe maybe Pete Carroll, Maybe maybe he's an interesting enough

2053
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 3: head coach character. I'm certain that people would be fascinated

2054
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 3: to see Bill Belichick if he were to welcome in

2055
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Speaker 3: the Hard Knocks camera.

2056
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Speaker 2: Dennis Allen and New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: I don't, I mean, I winn't you know, probably not.

2058
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Speaker 2: No, that's not a draw. Well it's a conundrum, right,

2059
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 2: how about Denver?

2060
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 3: How about Sean Payton?

2061
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely know, well, these are these are names, these are

2062
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 2: recognizable names.

2063
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Speaker 3: And that's my point is, like, if Hard Knocks is

2064
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:04,919
Speaker 3: going to work, they're going to have to attach themselves

2065
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 3: because we don't hear from coaches on social media all

2066
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 3: that often. We hear from players all the time. But

2067
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel with the Miami Dolphins is a fascinating character. Yeah, like,

2068
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 3: get him on hard knocks. I think you would be

2069
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 3: going the wrong direction if you were going to say, hey,

2070
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 3: we're going to do hard knocks, but we're going to

2071
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:24,640
Speaker 3: be reliant on these player profiles. You can't do it

2072
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 3: that way anymore. You need access to a unique head

2073
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 3: coach or a famous head coach that people are really

2074
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:34,600
Speaker 3: excited to get inside. The mind of Andy Reid is

2075
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,640
Speaker 3: another one. I think the Kansas City Chiefs would be

2076
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:37,480
Speaker 3: a good example.

2077
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Speaker 2: Especially after his commercial is drawing mustaches on people on airlines.

2078
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I just think that they're going in the

2079
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 3: wrong direction.

2080
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 2: Oh I speaking of wrong direction in the NBA, I'm

2081
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 2: thinking of a team that may be going in the

2082
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 2: wrong direction if they were to pursue a certain player.

2083
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:00,879
Speaker 2: Tell you who that is. This is Fox Sports Sunday,

2084
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 2: Steve Harbin and Rich Hornberger Fox Sports Sunday. We are

2085
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Speaker 2: live from the Tyraq dot Com studios. So, after the

2086
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 2: Lakers were swept by the Denver Nuggets in the Western

2087
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 2: Conference Finals. Lebron James was asked about what do you

2088
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 2: think about next season? And his response I thought was

2089
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,679
Speaker 2: pretty on the mark when he said, well, I don't

2090
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 2: even know what our roster is going to look like,

2091
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 2: so I have no idea. I mean, I don't know,

2092
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 2: which was his way of saying to the Laker organization,

2093
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 2: where our roster is now, is not good enough to

2094
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Speaker 2: beat that team, the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, so that's the

2095
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 2: bar right now in the hurdle the Lakers are gonna

2096
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 2: have to get over if they want to win a championship,

2097
01:54:49,240 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 2: which Lebron says that's the only thing that matters to him,

2098
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 2: and I love when he says something like that. So

2099
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 2: now there's all this buzz that the Phoenix Suns are

2100
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 2: about to part ways with Chris Baul eight years old.

2101
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 2: So he's had a Hall of Fame career minus a championship,

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01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 2: but he's been a great, great player, and he's still

2103
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 2: an elite player when he's actually healthy and on the court.

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01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 2: But there's all this buzz. You know, Chris Paul could

2105
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:15,560
Speaker 2: be a Laker, And I'm thinking to myself, if you're

2106
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 2: the Lakers. Is Chris Paul going to help you neutralize Jokic?

2107
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I mean I get the idea that it's

2108
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 2: nice to have or a real point guard, and maybe

2109
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 2: it relieves some of the offensive pressure on Lebron to

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Speaker 2: have to be the ball handler on top of everything else,

2111
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Speaker 2: or maybe he helps the game of Anthony Davis. That's

2112
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:41,080
Speaker 2: not your problem, though. What the Lakers have to figure

2113
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 2: out is what we need to get past Jokic, And

2114
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Speaker 2: all I say is what happened three years ago. Now,

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Speaker 2: I understand Denver was a much younger team, but the

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Speaker 2: one guy that was not covering Jokics three years ago

2117
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Speaker 2: is Anthony Davis. Right, you had McGee and he had

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Speaker 2: Dwight Howard. You had this, you know, two big guys

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Speaker 2: handling the big guy under the mill. So if I'm

2120
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Speaker 2: the Lakers right now, Chris Paul, are you kidding? You

2121
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 2: need bigs? One thing that we're finding out about this

2122
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets team why they're so good. They're big. I mean,

2123
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Speaker 2: they're skilled, but they're really big. So if I'm the Lakers,

2124
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:22,160
Speaker 2: forget Chris Paul. Chris Paul is not going to do

2125
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 2: anything for you in terms of what you want to

2126
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:29,240
Speaker 2: win is a championship. I just I they need to

2127
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 2: focus on getting some big body. Look you bring Reeves back, Hatchamura.

2128
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Speaker 2: That's fine. Those two guys have proven they are valuable

2129
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 2: assets to your team. But you need some bigs man

2130
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 2: if you want to even come close to challenging the

2131
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Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't disagree with you, but I will

2133
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Speaker 3: I will say this. There's more than one ways to

2134
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 3: handle this situation. I do think that getting bigger can work.

2135
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if Chris Paul is the answer

2136
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Speaker 3: to this question, so I have doubts that as well.

2137
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Speaker 3: But sometimes the best way to stop a great offense

2138
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Speaker 3: is to outscore them, you know, like sometimes the answer

2139
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 3: is just to add to your offensive firepower. And it

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Speaker 3: feels like the Lakers aren't thinking in terms of like

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Speaker 3: how do we defend Nikola Jokic. They're more thinking along

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Speaker 3: the lines of how can we become so consistent offensively

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01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,839
Speaker 3: that it doesn't matter that Jokic can get his thirty

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Speaker 3: or his forty against us? And we have good enough defenders,

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01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 3: but most importantly, a great enough offense to outscore the Nuggets.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's an arms race in the NBA,

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01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 3: and a lot of teams are going to go in

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Speaker 3: that direction because the truth is, you can't really defend

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Speaker 3: Jokic if he stays healthy, six foot ten, six foot eleven.

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Speaker 3: He's got great court vision, he has great handles, he

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01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 3: can shoot the jumper. You know, he's really a complete player.

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01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 3: He's fundamentally sound in every way. He's good at the

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01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 3: foul line. There's really no weaknesses there. So let him

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01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,600
Speaker 3: get his defend the rest of the cast members, but

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01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 3: most importantly, become an offensive juggernaut. That's the only way

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01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:16,080
Speaker 3: to contend with the Nuggets. And so that's the reason

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Speaker 3: I think you're hearing reports of the Lakers interested in

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01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 3: adding offensive players as opposed to adding a big who

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01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 3: can effectively defend Jokisch.

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Speaker 2: Well, imagine also this part though you're adding another old body. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, Lebron obviously is already there. And if you're

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01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 2: Darvin Ham, the coach of the Lakers, you got to

2163
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 2: play this juggling act and you got to figure out

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01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 2: how to keep Anthony Davis on the court when the

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Speaker 2: games matter most. Now, let's throw in Chris Paul, so

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Speaker 2: it'd be a juggling act with these three guys to

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Speaker 2: at least keep one or two of them on the

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Speaker 2: court at all times to navigate through the regular season

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Speaker 2: so you don't end up as a sixth seed or

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Speaker 2: a seventh seed where you can actually get some you know,

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01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 2: home court advantage in the playoffs. You want to be,

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01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, a top three seed. Well, you're only going

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Speaker 2: to do that if you win let's say, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: fifty five games, and it's gonna be hard to do

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Speaker 2: if you're juggling a lineup where Lebron and Ad and

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01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 2: Chris Paul are constantly in and out of the lineup.

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Speaker 2: I again, you have a clear bar. Now you know

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Speaker 2: what you have to do. You just face this team

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Speaker 2: on the Western Conference Finals, and even though you played hard,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Lakers were competitive in that series. They were,

2181
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 2: but they weren't good enough. And that was the point

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Speaker 2: Lebron was making, is I'm not saying we didn't show effort,

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Speaker 2: because we did. They're just better than us. If you

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Speaker 2: clean it to get better.

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Speaker 3: And look at that series and compared to that effort,

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Speaker 3: the heat have shown like the Lakers looked like they

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Speaker 3: could contend better. He obviously won a game here and

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01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,080
Speaker 3: you know, you could say, Luk, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I necessarily completely agree with that, because Jimmy Butler is

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01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 3: an excellent player, and you know, any team can get

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Speaker 3: hot from the three point line here and there, But

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Speaker 3: the point being, and also they had an enormous high,

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Speaker 3: enormously high three point percentage in the regular season and

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Speaker 3: throughout the postseason, so it aligned with what we've seen.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, if the Lakers are.

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Speaker 3: Gonna beat the Nuggets, assuming the Nuggets keep everything the

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Speaker 3: same next year, they're going to have to add and frankly,

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Speaker 3: I think offense is the better, better side of the

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Speaker 3: ball to add to.

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Speaker 2: the Conference finals in the NBA, we had the potential

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Speaker 2: of a Lakers Celtics NBA Finals. I remember we were

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Speaker 2: thinking ourselves the worst case scenario is if they both

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Speaker 2: lose and we end up with the Nuggets in the Heat. Well,

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Speaker 2: the TV ratings are in and there's good news for

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Speaker 2: the NBA. The ratings so far for this Nuggets Heat

2213
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:12,360
Speaker 2: series are almost identical to last year's matchup between the

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Speaker 2: Warriors and the Celtics. It really is no difference, Rich.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the numbers are in terms of television ratings,

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Speaker 2: the number of viewers, and by the way, they're both

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Speaker 2: significantly up from where they were in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: with the Bucks Sun series. Of course, that bubble situation

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02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:33,720
Speaker 2: down there was a disaster in twenty twenty because they're

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Speaker 2: going up against the NFL. And yes, we're not talking

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Speaker 2: about the great numbers that we saw maybe when the

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Speaker 2: Cavaliers and the Warriors are getting together. But there's been

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Speaker 2: no significant drop off, is what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 2: which is good for the NBA. They had to be worried.

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Speaker 2: You eliminate the Celtics, you eliminate the Lakers. Those are

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Speaker 2: two big, big time basketball markets. So I think there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of intrigue in terms of scenes something new.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you this, if the Heat do win tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: I think these numbers are going to go up significantly

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Speaker 2: because I've always said this about you know, ratings for

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Speaker 2: you know, World Series or NBA Finals or whatever. Really

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Speaker 2: they take on their own life. If there's something compelling

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Speaker 2: happening in the series, then people are starting to talk

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02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:25,440
Speaker 2: about it and they're like, man, I haven't really been watching.

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Speaker 2: Let me find out what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I still think there's a potential here to go

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Speaker 2: to a much higher level. But at least the idea

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Speaker 2: that somehow Nuggets Heat were going to be a ratings

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Speaker 2: disaster has proven to be wrong. It is not, by

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Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination, been a disaster.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree, and I think there were certain analysts

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Speaker 3: or writers who were counting on it, and I've seen

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Speaker 3: some headlines that don't really jibe with what we're seeing,

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Speaker 3: you know, where it's like NBA Finals numbers way down

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Speaker 3: from last year, and then you look at it and

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Speaker 3: you're like, three percent is way down. No, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're not talking about heroically bad ratings here. We're talking about,

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Speaker 3: you know, per the NBA over the course of the

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Speaker 3: past two decades. This is way down from where they were,

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Speaker 3: say in the early two thousands or the nineties, but

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Speaker 3: it's not way down from last year. And to your point,

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Speaker 3: with Golden State in and Boston in last year, those

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Speaker 3: being much larger media markets. The thought process was, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, all of the predictive measures tell us that

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Speaker 3: this is going to be a far worse rated Finals,

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Speaker 3: and it hasn't been because I think, and myself included,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people missed a very important thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Denver and Miami are two smaller media markets. We're talking

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Speaker 3: about probably the sixteenth and seventeenth ranked media markets in

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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 2: But like, Denver isn't just Denver.

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Speaker 3: Denver is basically like the state of Colorado and some

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Speaker 3: of the surrounding areas. You know, Miami isn't just Miami

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Speaker 3: or Fort Lauderdale. It's also like a big majority of

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Speaker 3: Florida are Heat fans. It's it's it's like there's a

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Speaker 3: lot more traction in those states rooting for those NBA

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Speaker 3: teams that I think people realize prior to this Finals,

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Speaker 3: which also may change the way the NBA looks at

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Speaker 3: Miami and Denver, like these may be way more promotable

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Speaker 3: markets than they thought prior to this series, and maybe

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Speaker 3: next year if Jimmy sticks around, and well, obviously Nikola

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Speaker 3: Jokic and that core if they stay together, which I'd

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Speaker 3: assumed they would, maybe the promotion of those two markets

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Speaker 3: is more intense because a lot of times it's just

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Speaker 3: your coastal cities like La with the Lakers, Boston, New

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Speaker 3: York with the Knicks whenever they have any talent, Oaklyn

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Speaker 3: with the Nets. You know, these markets are the ones

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Speaker 3: that are highlighted. We may see sort of a shift

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Speaker 3: in the way this league is promoted.

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Speaker 2: Denver's an interesting sports city and I know we have

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Speaker 2: listeners out in the Denver area, and they've had a

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Speaker 2: lot of history. The Broncos obviously have won three Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: They had the back to back with Elway and of

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Speaker 2: course the added Super Bowl win against Carolina in Peyton

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Speaker 2: Manning's last game. And the Avalanche have won three Stanley Cups,

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Speaker 2: including a year ago they were Stanley Cup champions. I'm

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Speaker 2: just trying to figure out because you played for a franchise,

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, that was always the weak link in Boston.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Patriots are last on the total pole

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Speaker 2: for many many years, obviously had the Celtics, the Red Sox,

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Speaker 2: even if they weren't winning World Series. Back in the day,

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Speaker 2: were simply Boston's team, and the Bruins were highly popular

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Speaker 2: although they had not won a lot of championships. The

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Speaker 2: Patriots always last, and then that all changed with their dominance.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see. I mean, I don't know enough

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Speaker 2: about Denver where the Nuggets rank, but obviously adding a

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Speaker 2: championship to the resume is gonna help immensely. Well, I'll

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Speaker 2: give you.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you an example that I think can we

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Speaker 3: can draw parallels to, like Arizona. The state of Arizona

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Speaker 3: feels very similar in some ways to me to the

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Speaker 3: state of Colorado. Now I've lived in Arizona, I've never

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Speaker 3: lived in Colorado. When I was living in Arizona, what

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Speaker 3: I found was whatever sports franchise within the state, pro

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Speaker 3: sport franchise within the state that was most popular, having

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Speaker 3: the most success, the fans were most interested in that

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Speaker 3: sports franchise. Like there wasn't like this. You wouldn't describe

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Speaker 3: Arizona or the greater Phoenix area as like a football city.

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Speaker 3: It's just not. It's whatever sport is having the most success,

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Speaker 3: that's the kind of city it is. And Colorado feels

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Speaker 3: like that to me. So when the Broncos are great,

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Speaker 3: which they've been more so than the other sports franchise, well,

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Speaker 3: guess what, they're gonna get the most attention. But if

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Speaker 3: the basketball team's great, they're gonna get the most attention

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Speaker 3: if the hockey teams, you know. Like so that to

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Speaker 3: me is it's that's the type of market it is.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of feel that way about Miami too, frankly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when the Dolphins are good, they'll fill up

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Speaker 3: that stadium. When they're bad, that it will be a

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Speaker 3: ghost town. And there are certain places that aren't like that.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Green Bay, Wisconsin, they're coming out to root on

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Speaker 3: their packers, win loser draw. Those tickets are sold out

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Speaker 3: for years in advance. That's a football city. That's not

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Speaker 3: That's not what Miami is. That's not what Denver is.

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Speaker 3: That's not what a city like Phoenix is. They're a hey,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna root for the popular hot team right now,

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Speaker 3: and in Denver right now, especially after disappointing Broncos, and

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Speaker 3: it's the Nuggets.

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Speaker 2: You know. You mentioned Phoenix and I was just there

2331
02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:09,720
Speaker 2: last a couple of days ago, actually yesterday. But think

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Speaker 2: about Phoenix. You have the Coyotes, they've never won a

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Speaker 2: Stanley Cup. You have the Arizona Cardinals, they never won

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. Yep. You have the Phoenix Suns, they've

2335
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Speaker 2: never won an NBA championship. The only team that won

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Speaker 2: a championship was the Arizona Diamondbacks. They won that one

2337
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:34,080
Speaker 2: World Series in two thousand and one. That's it. Yep,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting how that works Denver. Like I said, I mean,

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02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:40,560
Speaker 2: the Avalanche have certainly had success. The Broncos obviously have

2340
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:45,600
Speaker 2: had success, the Rockies not so much. But yeah, it

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Speaker 2: will be interesting to see. And when I hate the

2342
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:56,280
Speaker 2: term bandwagon, bandwagon is just a normal state of mind people.

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02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:02,000
Speaker 2: I never hold it against any so called fan when

2344
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:05,520
Speaker 2: they're a bandwagon fan. Somehow the purists say, well, you know,

2345
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Speaker 2: I I stick with his team good or bad. Good

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Speaker 2: for you, good for you. But that doesn't diminish the

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Speaker 2: idea that someone could join the party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like that would be to me like like hating

2349
02:09:19,160 --> 02:09:21,520
Speaker 3: on the guy who won a bunch of money at

2350
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 3: a hot blackjack table.

2351
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:23,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

2352
02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:26,320
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's like, okay, I get it. Maybe

2353
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:30,040
Speaker 3: they didn't sit through eight shoes like the degenerate on

2354
02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:31,480
Speaker 3: the end of the bench.

2355
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:34,240
Speaker 2: Right, like he earned it? Yeah, like yeah like it?

2356
02:09:34,240 --> 02:09:38,040
Speaker 3: Well, well he had to eat some bad hands until

2357
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:41,160
Speaker 3: you know, the dealer they changed dealers and the pit

2358
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:42,680
Speaker 3: boss came over, and but.

2359
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, who cares? Who cares?

2360
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 3: Like jump on in, Like you know, if if you're

2361
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 3: riding a hot hand and it's fun and then it's

2362
02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:53,320
Speaker 3: and it's exciting, who cares how long you were at

2363
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:56,520
Speaker 3: the table prior to that that, Like, I completely agree

2364
02:09:56,560 --> 02:10:00,480
Speaker 3: with you, I think and in most in most sports cities,

2365
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 3: guess what, the majority of your fans are bandwagon fans,

2366
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:09,000
Speaker 3: because what are sports if they aren't hope? Right, you're

2367
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:11,480
Speaker 3: pitching hope. You're hopeful that the team does good in

2368
02:10:11,560 --> 02:10:13,960
Speaker 3: the draft. Then you're hopeful that the team has a

2369
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 3: good offseason or spring training, you know, or preseason. Then

2370
02:10:17,560 --> 02:10:20,120
Speaker 3: you're hopeful that the team is ready for the regular

2371
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:22,520
Speaker 3: season and nobody gets hurt. And then you're hopeful that

2372
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna make the playoffs, and then you're hopeful that

2373
02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:26,320
Speaker 3: they're gonna make the super Bowl. When all of a sudden,

2374
02:10:26,360 --> 02:10:29,560
Speaker 3: your hopes are crushed because a team is absolutely out

2375
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 3: of it by the time the all star break hits

2376
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:34,440
Speaker 3: in Major League Baseball or in the NBA and it

2377
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:36,919
Speaker 3: looks like they're tanking for the draft, or in the NFL.

2378
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:39,440
Speaker 3: You know they're off to a three or an zero

2379
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 3: to three start and it looks like the playoffs hopes

2380
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:46,640
Speaker 3: are sailing away at first. Blush, what you're gonna throw

2381
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:50,240
Speaker 3: good money after bad? Save up your dough, go watch

2382
02:10:50,280 --> 02:10:54,280
Speaker 3: a game when hope is renewed. I completely agree with you, man.

2383
02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:58,280
Speaker 3: I think attacking a sports fan because they're not there

2384
02:10:58,320 --> 02:11:02,520
Speaker 3: for the down times two is like the opposite of what.

2385
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,840
Speaker 2: You should do should You should hope.

2386
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:07,440
Speaker 3: That those fans show back up to create a raucous

2387
02:11:07,480 --> 02:11:13,160
Speaker 3: environment for your opponents when the team starts having their resurgence.

2388
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:16,400
Speaker 2: The best thing I ever saw, and I've mentioned this before,

2389
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:20,320
Speaker 2: was the La Kings hockey team back in twenty twelve

2390
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:22,640
Speaker 2: when they eventually went on to win their first Stanley Cup.

2391
02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:25,560
Speaker 2: And they had this huge bus and you could see

2392
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:27,680
Speaker 2: it all over town and on the side it said

2393
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:31,680
Speaker 2: the La Kings Bandwagon. And I'll never get this because

2394
02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:34,280
Speaker 2: we were doing our show from the same studios that

2395
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:36,680
Speaker 2: we are here and they parked this thing right out front.

2396
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:39,760
Speaker 2: I was doing the show with Pat O'Brien and pack

2397
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:41,960
Speaker 2: gets on this bus because they wanted to show us

2398
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 2: this huge bus, beautiful bus, and they said welcome to

2399
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:47,960
Speaker 2: the bandwagon. And he didn't understand. He's sort of like, no, no, no,

2400
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:50,800
Speaker 2: I've been rooting for you guys. I'm like, no, you

2401
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:54,240
Speaker 2: literally are on the bandwagon. It says it on the

2402
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:57,920
Speaker 2: side of the bus. It says the La Kings Bandwagon.

2403
02:11:57,960 --> 02:12:00,480
Speaker 2: They embraced it, they didn't fight it. I thought it

2404
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:04,320
Speaker 2: was brilliant marketing. And the idea is, Hey, we're going

2405
02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:07,360
Speaker 2: to bring new fans in, people that haven't even known

2406
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:10,440
Speaker 2: we were alive, and now that we're winning something, they

2407
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,480
Speaker 2: want to be a part of it. Everyone does, so

2408
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:16,360
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting. The Nuggets. It's a golden opportunity. It's

2409
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:19,800
Speaker 2: a franchise that has had a lot of great individual players.

2410
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:24,680
Speaker 2: But the other part of this was they kept this

2411
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:28,680
Speaker 2: nucleus together for a few years, including their coach, a

2412
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:31,440
Speaker 2: little bit of patience, something that not all nbas are

2413
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:33,880
Speaker 2: doing these days. I want to get back to something

2414
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:37,040
Speaker 2: we've talked about before, not just in the NBA, but

2415
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:40,920
Speaker 2: coaching in general. In this day and age, a big

2416
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 2: money in sports and takeovers by huge money people. Where

2417
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:49,720
Speaker 2: do coaches actually sit and how much of a factor

2418
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 2: ultimately are they in winning championships? How much credit should

2419
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:57,240
Speaker 2: Mike Malone get if the Nuggets actually win this championship

2420
02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:00,080
Speaker 2: Tomorrow we'll break it down. This is Fox Sports Sunday,

2421
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:06,400
Speaker 2: Steve Hartman, Rich Ornberger, Fox Sports Sunday Live from the

2422
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:12,480
Speaker 2: tai Iraq dot Com studios. Again, I'm checking my Twitter account,

2423
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:19,120
Speaker 2: which apparently is just connected to Monsei's whatever. I'm tagged

2424
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:21,800
Speaker 2: in with everything with Monsei. But here's the thing they

2425
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:25,880
Speaker 2: had this this guy said, Ormberger and Hartman can't wait

2426
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 2: to flex on social media with their inner Miami hot

2427
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:33,880
Speaker 2: pink messy gear. Yeah, like the rest of the followers

2428
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:37,040
Speaker 2: are in now. Of course MESSI is going to be

2429
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:41,600
Speaker 2: coming to MLS. I was, yeah, I was in LA

2430
02:13:41,720 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 2: when Beckham you know, showed up with a gallop. It

2431
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:46,840
Speaker 2: was a huge story. I mean, and at least for

2432
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:49,880
Speaker 2: one match, everybody showed up. I remember Tom Cruise was

2433
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:55,360
Speaker 2: everybody was there, and then not so much. But do

2434
02:13:55,400 --> 02:13:58,840
Speaker 2: you have a lot of pink gear? I'm gonna ask

2435
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:01,680
Speaker 2: him before I get to Monts Rich, do you do

2436
02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:03,160
Speaker 2: you sport a lot of pink.

2437
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:06,960
Speaker 3: No, and that was at the behest of my wife.

2438
02:14:08,920 --> 02:14:14,000
Speaker 3: I call it medium, rare or salmon. When I'm wearing pink,

2439
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:16,560
Speaker 3: you know, I try to. I try to, you know,

2440
02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:20,440
Speaker 3: man it up a little bit, but but the the

2441
02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:23,240
Speaker 3: reality is it's pink, and I think I look devastatingly

2442
02:14:23,320 --> 02:14:23,920
Speaker 3: handsome in it.

2443
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I have actually one pink like dress shirt,

2444
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:32,200
Speaker 2: like you know, it's a custom shirt. It is pink.

2445
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:36,320
Speaker 3: I've got a pink polo. I think it's a Walker

2446
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:41,280
Speaker 3: cup polo that I wear and absolutely love it. But again, yeah,

2447
02:14:41,400 --> 02:14:43,320
Speaker 3: it much to the chagrin and my wife that I

2448
02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:46,160
Speaker 3: even have it in the closet and rare do I

2449
02:14:46,440 --> 02:14:50,840
Speaker 3: ever put it on in her presence because her her

2450
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:54,680
Speaker 3: instantaneous commentary is take that off immediately, you look like

2451
02:14:54,720 --> 02:14:57,640
Speaker 3: an idiot. I don't know if it's because I don't

2452
02:14:57,680 --> 02:15:00,400
Speaker 3: have the complection for the color, or maybe it's my

2453
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:02,600
Speaker 3: body type doesn't suit her eye.

2454
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:04,960
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, first of all, I don't have to

2455
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:07,800
Speaker 2: ask Sam, because I've seen Sam and pink many times.

2456
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:11,440
Speaker 2: Sam's Sam's a big wink guy. Actually, I'm wearing pink

2457
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:11,880
Speaker 2: right now.

2458
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're basically pink all the time.

2459
02:15:14,720 --> 02:15:17,920
Speaker 2: It's very while Bo is not a pink person at all.

2460
02:15:17,960 --> 02:15:22,640
Speaker 2: He's a Kelly Green, He's a green guy. Monsy, I'm

2461
02:15:22,680 --> 02:15:23,880
Speaker 2: sure you're looking at the same picture.

2462
02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, no, I I that's it. Buy me one.

2463
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:27,560
Speaker 7: I'm wearing that.

2464
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:31,880
Speaker 2: You're wearing that got that pink in Miami, hot pig, messy.

2465
02:15:31,640 --> 02:15:37,320
Speaker 7: Gear, ready ready to rocket. We can switch up your

2466
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:38,680
Speaker 7: polo for one of these.

2467
02:15:39,120 --> 02:15:42,800
Speaker 2: Steve, there's also a first of all, Moncy, nothing's going

2468
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:46,240
Speaker 2: to switch up my weekend gear. Yeah. I wear literally

2469
02:15:46,280 --> 02:15:49,560
Speaker 2: the same thing every Saturday and Sunday, and I never

2470
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:50,080
Speaker 2: gonna change.

2471
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:51,960
Speaker 8: Steve, aren't you going to jump on the bandwagon of

2472
02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:54,200
Speaker 8: dressing like Ken from bar There's this thing now, this

2473
02:15:54,360 --> 02:15:56,960
Speaker 8: trend of dressed like Ken from Barbie and Ken. Well

2474
02:15:57,240 --> 02:16:00,400
Speaker 8: the movie coming out, Well, the movie Barbie.

2475
02:16:00,640 --> 02:16:03,839
Speaker 2: Some of the looks really good. The movie looks compelling.

2476
02:16:04,120 --> 02:16:07,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't. The plot looks cool. It looks stupid. No,

2477
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:10,200
Speaker 2: what is it? I mean, I'm trying to figure out

2478
02:16:10,240 --> 02:16:14,120
Speaker 2: the audience and look at I'm it looks kind interesting.

2479
02:16:14,240 --> 02:16:17,040
Speaker 2: It's not against Ryan Goslin or.

2480
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:19,560
Speaker 8: It's not something I'd usually follow up on. But honestly,

2481
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:21,840
Speaker 8: the plot looks sort of interesting, like they're taking out

2482
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:24,240
Speaker 8: of their perfect little world and they're thrown.

2483
02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:26,839
Speaker 2: In this part becoming humanized doesn't really intrigue.

2484
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:27,160
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2485
02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:30,200
Speaker 6: I I think it can be stupid and compelling at

2486
02:16:30,200 --> 02:16:30,760
Speaker 6: the same time.

2487
02:16:30,920 --> 02:16:34,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Greta Gerway, who's a very great director. I mean,

2488
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:37,280
Speaker 2: I don't know where she's going with this. We'll find out.

2489
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:39,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, but I think it could be both.

2490
02:16:39,720 --> 02:16:42,160
Speaker 2: No, I pink's okay with me. I don't mind the

2491
02:16:42,200 --> 02:16:45,039
Speaker 2: color pink. I think I think it's good, you know.

2492
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:48,400
Speaker 3: I I look the messy jersey. I think it is

2493
02:16:48,440 --> 02:16:50,800
Speaker 3: going to give you a street credit. Yeah, certainly if

2494
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:54,920
Speaker 3: you're planning a trip to South Beach. So if I

2495
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:56,480
Speaker 3: ordered it, I'm gonna have to hide it from my

2496
02:16:56,560 --> 02:16:59,160
Speaker 3: wife otherwise she'll throw it in the trash can. I

2497
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:01,080
Speaker 3: have no idea how how much those are going for,

2498
02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:05,279
Speaker 3: but I'm guessing considering how much inter Miami just paid him,

2499
02:17:05,800 --> 02:17:09,440
Speaker 3: those are probably one thousand dollars jerseys. Yeah, he off

2500
02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:10,959
Speaker 3: the official i'mlst website.

2501
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 2: Well, of course, EMLS coming to San Diego Rich So

2502
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:15,800
Speaker 2: I guess eventually you'll be able to see Messi out there.

2503
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 2: If he's still playing out there. Hey, I want to

2504
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:21,400
Speaker 2: get to this point of it. I don't know about you,

2505
02:17:21,440 --> 02:17:25,400
Speaker 2: but Michael Malone, Mike Malone, I guess he likes Michael,

2506
02:17:25,480 --> 02:17:29,240
Speaker 2: like he's like Michael Jordan. Right. So Michael Malone, the

2507
02:17:29,440 --> 02:17:33,439
Speaker 2: coach of the Denver Nuggets is he's hilarious. Right. Remember

2508
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:37,720
Speaker 2: when they won Game one of the Western Conference Finals

2509
02:17:38,400 --> 02:17:40,920
Speaker 2: and he was bitching a moaning that everyone was only

2510
02:17:40,959 --> 02:17:44,520
Speaker 2: talking about the Lakers. He was saying, you know, we

2511
02:17:44,560 --> 02:17:47,480
Speaker 2: win the game and all you want to talk about

2512
02:17:47,520 --> 02:17:52,080
Speaker 2: is the Lakers. Now it's the opposite. All you guys

2513
02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 2: want to talk about is us, and you don't want

2514
02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:57,360
Speaker 2: to talk about the other team. I've been wildly entertained

2515
02:17:57,400 --> 02:17:59,960
Speaker 2: by Malone. I mean, this guy has got a loose screw.

2516
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:03,720
Speaker 2: He's all over the place. First he's complaining they're not

2517
02:18:03,720 --> 02:18:07,640
Speaker 2: getting enough attention. Then he's there were getting too much attention.

2518
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:10,240
Speaker 2: I also love when he said when they go back

2519
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:13,040
Speaker 2: to Denver, I don't want the players reading the newspapers.

2520
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,800
Speaker 2: How many Denver Nuggets players you think are reading a newspaper?

2521
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:20,400
Speaker 2: My guess is money. Maybe they're checking out the Internet

2522
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:21,160
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.

2523
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean looks but he's trying to find unique

2524
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:28,120
Speaker 3: ways to motivate his team, and he's using the press

2525
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:29,480
Speaker 3: in order to do it well.

2526
02:18:29,560 --> 02:18:31,760
Speaker 2: Isn't that really all it comes down to? Now? For

2527
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:34,000
Speaker 2: a coach, I mean, in some ways, it's always been

2528
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:37,800
Speaker 2: that your job is to win. That's why we hired you.

2529
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:41,080
Speaker 2: We hired you to win more games than you lose.

2530
02:18:42,360 --> 02:18:45,039
Speaker 2: And how you motivate a team, I mean you've seen

2531
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 2: it all in your career. Yeah, I mean there's different approaches.

2532
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:50,240
Speaker 2: You could be low key, you could be a holler guy,

2533
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:54,440
Speaker 2: a scream guy. It works for some doesen for others.

2534
02:18:55,320 --> 02:19:00,160
Speaker 2: But personally, if the Nuggets close it out tomorrow or

2535
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:04,080
Speaker 2: eventually do win this series, I give them a long credits.

2536
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:06,400
Speaker 2: It's got to be difficult in a day and age

2537
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:11,480
Speaker 2: where the players are so handsomely compensated for their play,

2538
02:19:11,520 --> 02:19:14,320
Speaker 2: and I don't begrudge that you get what you whatever

2539
02:19:14,360 --> 02:19:18,080
Speaker 2: they give you. But I've said this. I was in

2540
02:19:18,120 --> 02:19:22,400
Speaker 2: the company of Pat Riley as a coach and Phil Jackson,

2541
02:19:22,959 --> 02:19:27,080
Speaker 2: and the reason they were so successful coaching superstar players

2542
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:30,720
Speaker 2: is that they were the biggest ego in the room.

2543
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:34,240
Speaker 2: Pat Riley's ego was bigger than magic Johnson and Kareem A.

2544
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:34,960
Speaker 3: Dil Jabbar.

2545
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:39,400
Speaker 2: Phil Jackson's ego was bigger than Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal.

2546
02:19:39,720 --> 02:19:44,240
Speaker 2: I know, and sometimes that's what it takes. And so

2547
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, I know you're one to quickly dismiss the

2548
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:52,240
Speaker 2: impact of these coaches, especially managers in Major League Baseball

2549
02:19:52,280 --> 02:19:55,039
Speaker 2: and the coaches in the NBA. But it's it's a

2550
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:58,240
Speaker 2: different game, and I think at very least give them

2551
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:01,480
Speaker 2: credit for figuring out whatever takes to motivate their team.

2552
02:20:01,640 --> 02:20:02,840
Speaker 2: That's where they get the credit.

2553
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:05,360
Speaker 3: Well, look, you know, I mean, in the grand scheme

2554
02:20:05,400 --> 02:20:07,520
Speaker 3: of things, do I think the head coach is as

2555
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:10,960
Speaker 3: important as it used to be. No, but does it

2556
02:20:11,080 --> 02:20:15,680
Speaker 3: have a level of importance absolutely. Managers in Major League

2557
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:19,680
Speaker 3: Baseball basically have been replaced by analytics teams who are

2558
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:22,720
Speaker 3: printing out lineups for them. Who are, you know, helping

2559
02:20:23,080 --> 02:20:27,480
Speaker 3: in game decision making. Whether or not, you know, the

2560
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:31,840
Speaker 3: writers of baseball want to admit it, or they're trying

2561
02:20:31,879 --> 02:20:37,600
Speaker 3: to maybe even help sustain this falsehood that managers have

2562
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,200
Speaker 3: some profound impact on the decisions that are made at

2563
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:40,960
Speaker 3: the field level.

2564
02:20:41,959 --> 02:20:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't buy it.

2565
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:45,920
Speaker 3: I just I don't think there's a general manager in

2566
02:20:46,040 --> 02:20:48,360
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball who allow them to have that sort

2567
02:20:48,360 --> 02:20:52,080
Speaker 3: of power. But in the NBA, the psychology of the

2568
02:20:52,120 --> 02:20:55,040
Speaker 3: locker room and having somebody who can be sort of

2569
02:20:55,080 --> 02:20:59,720
Speaker 3: an armchair therapist and help navigate a regular season of

2570
02:20:59,720 --> 02:21:02,680
Speaker 3: eighty two games, forty of which you're on the road,

2571
02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:08,320
Speaker 3: and having the ability to manipulate emotions in the postseason

2572
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:13,560
Speaker 3: because it's a long postseason for these NBA players, I

2573
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:17,600
Speaker 3: think there's a higher level of importance. And frankly, if

2574
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:21,000
Speaker 3: you look at the compensation, that's the reason why baseball

2575
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:24,000
Speaker 3: managers are paid so much less than NBA head coaches,

2576
02:21:24,080 --> 02:21:26,680
Speaker 3: because I do think that the job requires a lot

2577
02:21:26,760 --> 02:21:29,879
Speaker 3: more talent and tact I just don't think it necessarily

2578
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:33,640
Speaker 3: requires them to be great basketball minds. They have to

2579
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:36,560
Speaker 3: be great people persons. They have to be able to

2580
02:21:36,680 --> 02:21:39,880
Speaker 3: understand the chemistry of the locker room. Like you said,

2581
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:42,959
Speaker 3: sometimes it takes a big ego. Sometimes it takes somebody

2582
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:45,600
Speaker 3: like Steve Kerr, who appears to have zero ego at all.

2583
02:21:45,800 --> 02:21:48,640
Speaker 2: What Yeah, smug is what he is.

2584
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:52,480
Speaker 3: But the public appearance, at least of Steve Kerr is

2585
02:21:52,680 --> 02:21:55,119
Speaker 3: he wants the players to lead this team. He wants

2586
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:57,520
Speaker 3: to hand over decision making to the players. He wants

2587
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,840
Speaker 3: them to have a role. Sometimes he'll take a seat

2588
02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:02,640
Speaker 3: on a bench and if a player like Draymond or

2589
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:05,600
Speaker 3: Staff or Clay is interested and they're having a night off,

2590
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:07,279
Speaker 3: they'll coach the team.

2591
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:11,000
Speaker 2: Like you know, I w there. I mean, I get again.

2592
02:22:11,240 --> 02:22:13,200
Speaker 2: This is the one thing that does always bothered me

2593
02:22:13,240 --> 02:22:16,840
Speaker 2: about coaches. Like again, there's only one stat for a coach.

2594
02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:20,280
Speaker 2: It's called wins and losses. That's all I can go by.

2595
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:23,080
Speaker 2: If you win more games, you keep your job. You

2596
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:26,480
Speaker 2: lose more games, you lose your job. But you know,

2597
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:32,240
Speaker 2: I when when I see when I hear a coach

2598
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:38,480
Speaker 2: or a manager saying we were we didn't play with

2599
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:43,120
Speaker 2: motivation tonight. You know, these players have really got to

2600
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:45,400
Speaker 2: step it up. And I'm thinking to myself, isn't that

2601
02:22:45,720 --> 02:22:46,320
Speaker 2: your job?

2602
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:47,680
Speaker 5: Now?

2603
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:50,960
Speaker 2: You don't have one job that's to motivate your team

2604
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:53,320
Speaker 2: to be better. And if you're blaming the players for

2605
02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:56,480
Speaker 2: not being motivated, then maybe you're not the right guy

2606
02:22:56,520 --> 02:22:58,840
Speaker 2: to be in that locker room. Yeah, because if I

2607
02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:00,760
Speaker 2: own that team and you're a meeting the fact that

2608
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:03,120
Speaker 2: we were unmotivated and we got to do some of

2609
02:23:03,160 --> 02:23:04,920
Speaker 2: the better. The players need to step up their game.

2610
02:23:04,959 --> 02:23:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, how much money am I paying you to

2611
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:08,920
Speaker 2: send on that bench?

2612
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:10,120
Speaker 3: Die?

2613
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2614
02:23:11,320 --> 02:23:17,640
Speaker 3: Look, I think that an NBA coach is more of

2615
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:23,240
Speaker 3: a politician than they are a coach. I think that

2616
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:26,520
Speaker 3: they need to make everybody feel good. But understand that

2617
02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:28,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, this is strictly business.

2618
02:23:29,320 --> 02:23:32,199
Speaker 3: You ever meet a politician in person, like a really good, yeah,

2619
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:35,480
Speaker 3: a really powerful politician, they make you feel like you

2620
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:39,720
Speaker 3: are the only person in the room. They lead with compliments,

2621
02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:43,480
Speaker 3: they make sure they know how connected they that they

2622
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:46,760
Speaker 3: are to your issues, and they make sure that they

2623
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:49,760
Speaker 3: smooth everything over. And there's no such thing as a

2624
02:23:49,800 --> 02:23:53,960
Speaker 3: bad interaction, bad personal interaction with a politician. They make

2625
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:54,600
Speaker 3: sure of that.

2626
02:23:54,959 --> 02:23:55,160
Speaker 2: Now.

2627
02:23:55,240 --> 02:23:58,280
Speaker 3: Publicly, you may hate the platform that they stand on,

2628
02:23:58,400 --> 02:24:02,400
Speaker 3: but almost across the when you meet somebody who's, yeah whatever,

2629
02:24:02,440 --> 02:24:07,520
Speaker 3: a diehard Democrat, a far right conservative who's met a

2630
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:11,279
Speaker 3: politician on the other side and has had a personal interaction,

2631
02:24:11,440 --> 02:24:13,320
Speaker 3: they go, you know what, I hate his politics, but

2632
02:24:13,360 --> 02:24:16,080
Speaker 3: I have to admit he's a great guy. Or she's

2633
02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:18,080
Speaker 3: a great woman. You know, I met her in person

2634
02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:20,000
Speaker 3: and she was great to my family and shook my

2635
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:22,120
Speaker 3: hand and spent some time with us. Because that's what

2636
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:26,280
Speaker 3: politicians do. They make everything feel okay even though it's

2637
02:24:26,360 --> 02:24:29,959
Speaker 3: not okay. That's what an NBA coach's job is. Yeah,

2638
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:34,160
Speaker 3: like I, no NBA coach is going to go into

2639
02:24:34,400 --> 02:24:37,600
Speaker 3: the NBA playoffs with a bunch of scrubs and out

2640
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:41,000
Speaker 3: coach a Lebron led Lakers team. It's just not happening.

2641
02:24:41,320 --> 02:24:44,120
Speaker 3: You have to have the firepower to contend in the NBA,

2642
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:46,840
Speaker 3: and everybody knows that. So if you don't have stars,

2643
02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:49,080
Speaker 3: you don't have a chance because these series in the

2644
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:52,840
Speaker 3: NBA postseason or too long. So any coach, quote unquote

2645
02:24:52,879 --> 02:24:56,519
Speaker 3: coach who's worth his salt knows that the most important

2646
02:24:56,520 --> 02:25:00,560
Speaker 3: thing is to latch yourself to a team with super stars.

2647
02:25:00,879 --> 02:25:03,960
Speaker 3: Have those superstars trust you. Have you be the politician

2648
02:25:04,040 --> 02:25:08,119
Speaker 3: to smooth everything over even in times of discord or disarray,

2649
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:12,160
Speaker 3: and you will continue having coaching jobs. That's the reason

2650
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:15,520
Speaker 3: why the greatest coaches in the history of the NBA

2651
02:25:15,959 --> 02:25:20,440
Speaker 3: have all been linked to absurd superstars. You know, the

2652
02:25:20,840 --> 02:25:24,240
Speaker 3: Phil Jackson's of the world, or the pat Riley's of

2653
02:25:24,280 --> 02:25:26,920
Speaker 3: the world, or the Steve Kerrs of the world. The

2654
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:31,400
Speaker 3: Greg Popovich's of the world. They all coached Hall of famers.

2655
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:33,840
Speaker 3: That's the reason why they had success, that's the reason

2656
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:35,199
Speaker 3: why they won champions.

2657
02:25:34,920 --> 02:25:37,199
Speaker 2: Well, this gets back to that old argument with Belichick

2658
02:25:37,240 --> 02:25:39,440
Speaker 2: and Brady. Who made who? And I guess you know,

2659
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:42,160
Speaker 2: for years it was like, if Tom Brady played for

2660
02:25:42,200 --> 02:25:45,560
Speaker 2: anyone but Belichick, we never hear of Tom Brady and

2661
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:47,640
Speaker 2: that change. But then when he went down to that

2662
02:25:47,959 --> 02:25:51,360
Speaker 2: But that's true, however, and then obviously his former coach

2663
02:25:51,360 --> 02:25:53,200
Speaker 2: hasn't won a single playoff game without him.

2664
02:25:53,440 --> 02:25:56,880
Speaker 3: At the same token, though, if you think about the NFL,

2665
02:25:56,920 --> 02:26:00,160
Speaker 3: what makes the NFL different is you can have the

2666
02:26:00,160 --> 02:26:04,320
Speaker 3: one off year where a team who doesn't have a

2667
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:06,720
Speaker 3: great quarterback can go on and win a Super Bowl.

2668
02:26:06,879 --> 02:26:09,600
Speaker 3: Rare that it's it's rare, but it can happen. That

2669
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:12,560
Speaker 3: can't happen in the NBA. It cannot happen in the NBA.

2670
02:26:13,080 --> 02:26:14,199
Speaker 3: You need superstars.

2671
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:16,959
Speaker 2: Well, no, when the Pistons beat the Lakers in O four,

2672
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:21,000
Speaker 2: that team wasn't a superstar team at all. Years ago.

2673
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:24,160
Speaker 3: Okay, NBA has changed a great deal. How about how

2674
02:26:24,200 --> 02:26:26,160
Speaker 3: about I'll give you a recent example in the NFL

2675
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:30,240
Speaker 3: when Nick Foles out dueled Tom Brady for Super Bowl.

2676
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:33,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it can still happen in the NFL because

2677
02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:37,520
Speaker 3: coaching matters in the NBA. Coaching doesn't matter, game plan

2678
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:38,160
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.

2679
02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:42,600
Speaker 2: Larry Brown mattered, Larry That's right, he did. It's my

2680
02:26:42,640 --> 02:26:46,440
Speaker 2: personal guy. All right, let's let's find out what is

2681
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:52,800
Speaker 2: trending right now. Is Monci is sitting by the configuration

2682
02:26:52,920 --> 02:26:54,840
Speaker 2: of our new studios is great because I can.

2683
02:26:54,760 --> 02:26:56,600
Speaker 3: Actually see we could see mons.

2684
02:26:57,040 --> 02:27:00,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty amazing, right, if I'm busy, You know, how are.

2685
02:27:00,680 --> 02:27:03,680
Speaker 2: Those Dodger Stadium tours going? Because last weekend you were

2686
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:04,840
Speaker 2: you had like triple.

2687
02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:07,320
Speaker 7: Duty, Oh, triple duty. Yeah, No, it was a huge

2688
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:10,760
Speaker 7: Yankees were in town. Correct on Sunday.

2689
02:27:11,400 --> 02:27:15,760
Speaker 6: We saw three hundred and fifty guests, fifty people leaving

2690
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:16,680
Speaker 6: every ten minutes.

2691
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:19,360
Speaker 7: And I don't know how we did it.

2692
02:27:19,640 --> 02:27:20,119
Speaker 2: We did.

2693
02:27:21,160 --> 02:27:23,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I really don't know how we got through it

2694
02:27:23,879 --> 02:27:25,400
Speaker 6: that Sunday, but we got through it.

2695
02:27:25,400 --> 02:27:26,359
Speaker 7: It was a lot of funs.

2696
02:27:26,480 --> 02:27:29,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, So Dodger Stadium tours happened year round. It was

2697
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:34,400
Speaker 6: just Yankee series brought in more guests than we typically get, uh,

2698
02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:36,840
Speaker 6: and it was a huge, huge success. I think I

2699
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:39,680
Speaker 6: slept for like twelve hours that Sunday, Like I literally

2700
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:40,760
Speaker 6: crashed when I got home.

2701
02:27:40,959 --> 02:27:41,880
Speaker 7: I don't even remember.

2702
02:27:42,040 --> 02:27:43,560
Speaker 2: So you got your steps in that day?

2703
02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:46,520
Speaker 7: Oh? And then some Yeah, and then I hear that.

2704
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:48,680
Speaker 2: All the time. My sunny works at a restaurant. He goes,

2705
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:50,200
Speaker 2: I got a lot of steps in today.

2706
02:27:50,320 --> 02:27:53,640
Speaker 6: I was drenched and swept definitely that Sunday because it

2707
02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:55,560
Speaker 6: was kind of hot, like it started. The weather has

2708
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:58,480
Speaker 6: been weird, as we've been discussing, Like it doesn't the

2709
02:27:58,520 --> 02:27:59,640
Speaker 6: sun's not out, it's not.

2710
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:01,440
Speaker 7: As hot, but it's also not very cool.

2711
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:03,800
Speaker 6: Like we get a little bit of humidity these last

2712
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:05,600
Speaker 6: couple of days. So yeah, a lot of a lot

2713
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:07,360
Speaker 6: of sweat, a lot of tears, is I think what

2714
02:28:07,440 --> 02:28:09,320
Speaker 6: I tweeted or what I posted on social media. A

2715
02:28:09,360 --> 02:28:10,920
Speaker 6: lot of sweat and a lot of tears. But we

2716
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:13,640
Speaker 6: got through it. But I missed you guys. So I'm

2717
02:28:13,640 --> 02:28:16,760
Speaker 6: glad to be back on this Sunday. Remember a couple

2718
02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:19,640
Speaker 6: of weeks ago, wander Franco of the Rays, he fielded

2719
02:28:19,640 --> 02:28:21,360
Speaker 6: that ball, threw it up to himself and got the

2720
02:28:21,360 --> 02:28:22,840
Speaker 6: guy out the Rays one.

2721
02:28:22,920 --> 02:28:25,680
Speaker 7: Okay, so the Dodgers just lost to the Phillies. Bruce

2722
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:28,280
Speaker 7: dark Grattol one of our pictures.

2723
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:30,440
Speaker 6: They hit a ball to him and he fielded it

2724
02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:32,000
Speaker 6: and was on the ground, and then he kissed the

2725
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:32,680
Speaker 6: ball and threw it.

2726
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:34,520
Speaker 7: To first base when you're losing.

2727
02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:35,920
Speaker 1: Don't do that.

2728
02:28:36,920 --> 02:28:40,520
Speaker 7: When you're losing. Don not play fun in games. Okay,

2729
02:28:40,640 --> 02:28:43,680
Speaker 7: you are zing and it wasn't even a close game.

2730
02:28:43,720 --> 02:28:45,120
Speaker 7: I I just saw that, and I was like, Bruis

2731
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:47,879
Speaker 7: dar why, why don't do that?

2732
02:28:48,320 --> 02:28:51,040
Speaker 6: The Dodgers lost to the Phillies in Philadelphia. Seven three

2733
02:28:51,400 --> 02:28:52,360
Speaker 6: was the final score.

2734
02:28:52,879 --> 02:28:53,600
Speaker 7: The Orioles.

2735
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:56,840
Speaker 6: Hey, the gun Show was on rookie Gunner Henderson. Have

2736
02:28:56,920 --> 02:28:59,600
Speaker 6: you guys seen this guy? He's really good. He hit

2737
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:02,520
Speaker 6: a three on Homer four hundred and sixty two feet

2738
02:29:02,600 --> 02:29:06,000
Speaker 6: for the Orioles. Yes, they took down the Royals. I

2739
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:08,080
Speaker 6: hate the Orioles and the Royals playing together. It's a

2740
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:11,400
Speaker 6: tongue twister. But the Orioles Baltimore one eleven to three

2741
02:29:11,440 --> 02:29:12,400
Speaker 6: was the final score.

2742
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:14,760
Speaker 7: The Nationals avoided the sweep.

2743
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:17,600
Speaker 6: They snapped the Brave seven game winning streak, coming.

2744
02:29:17,480 --> 02:29:19,879
Speaker 7: Out on top six to two the Rays.

2745
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:22,600
Speaker 6: They win another one, a seven to three victory over

2746
02:29:22,680 --> 02:29:23,359
Speaker 6: the Rangers.

2747
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:25,200
Speaker 7: Wander Franco We were just talking about him. Had a

2748
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:26,640
Speaker 7: three run homer in the victory.

2749
02:29:26,680 --> 02:29:28,720
Speaker 6: The Rays have won eight out of their last nine

2750
02:29:28,760 --> 02:29:32,640
Speaker 6: and are forty eight and twenty for this season. The Pirates,

2751
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:35,120
Speaker 6: they topped the Mets two to one, Andrew McCutchen recorded

2752
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:37,959
Speaker 6: his two thousandth career hit in the win. The Mets

2753
02:29:37,959 --> 02:29:41,000
Speaker 6: have lost eight out of their last nine. But remember

2754
02:29:41,160 --> 02:29:43,440
Speaker 6: Mets owner Steve Cohen spoke to the New York Posts.

2755
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:45,520
Speaker 6: He said, don't worry, We're not gonna blow anything up.

2756
02:29:45,560 --> 02:29:47,440
Speaker 7: This is just how the season's gonna start.

2757
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:51,000
Speaker 6: Supposedly, The Guardian shout out the Astros at home five zero.

2758
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:53,440
Speaker 6: Shane Bieber pitched seven innings, only give up three hits

2759
02:29:53,440 --> 02:29:56,160
Speaker 6: and struck out nine. The Diamondbacks, who are first placed

2760
02:29:56,160 --> 02:29:58,520
Speaker 6: in the NL West, have won five in a row.

2761
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:02,800
Speaker 7: They beat the Tigers score seven to five. Currently going on, it's.

2762
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:05,920
Speaker 6: The Angels who are beating the Mariners at home three zero,

2763
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,600
Speaker 6: bottom of the second inning. Taylor Ward had a lead

2764
02:30:08,600 --> 02:30:12,120
Speaker 6: off homer for the Angels. Jack Peterson had a home

2765
02:30:12,200 --> 02:30:14,039
Speaker 6: run in the bottom of the first inning for the Giants,

2766
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:16,440
Speaker 6: who are beating the Cubs two zero in San Francisco.

2767
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:19,199
Speaker 6: Top of the second inning, the Padres with the lead

2768
02:30:19,240 --> 02:30:20,800
Speaker 6: over the Rockies three to one.

2769
02:30:20,840 --> 02:30:21,560
Speaker 7: Top of the six.

2770
02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:23,800
Speaker 6: The Reds and the Cardinals have been back and forth,

2771
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:25,760
Speaker 6: but at Cincinnati on top four to three.

2772
02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:29,039
Speaker 7: Bottom of the eighth, the A's. Remember, guys, the A's

2773
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:30,640
Speaker 7: are winning. What is going on?

2774
02:30:30,760 --> 02:30:32,520
Speaker 6: They're still beating the Brewers five to three.

2775
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:33,520
Speaker 7: Top of the eighth inning.

2776
02:30:33,800 --> 02:30:36,320
Speaker 6: The White Sox are holding on to their one run

2777
02:30:36,440 --> 02:30:38,400
Speaker 6: lead over the Marlins at home.

2778
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:39,560
Speaker 7: It's five to four.

2779
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:41,360
Speaker 6: The Marlins have a man on first and second, but

2780
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:43,680
Speaker 6: they are down to their final out. And the Blue

2781
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:45,879
Speaker 6: Jays also holding on to one run lead over the

2782
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:47,640
Speaker 6: Twins at home, seven to six.

2783
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:48,400
Speaker 7: Top of the ninth.

2784
02:30:48,640 --> 02:30:50,800
Speaker 6: The Twins have a man on first, but they have

2785
02:30:50,879 --> 02:30:52,120
Speaker 6: two outs to go.

2786
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:54,800
Speaker 7: And of course no basketball, no hockey.

2787
02:30:54,800 --> 02:30:56,680
Speaker 6: But we did have the French Open and it was

2788
02:30:56,760 --> 02:30:59,760
Speaker 6: Novak Djokovic who won his third French Open title, beating

2789
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:02,720
Speaker 6: Cat spur Root in three sets for a record twenty

2790
02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:08,680
Speaker 6: third Grand Slam Men's title, passing Raphael Nadal. And we

2791
02:31:08,760 --> 02:31:13,160
Speaker 6: go back to Luis Aries back to you, guys.

2792
02:31:13,240 --> 02:31:16,520
Speaker 2: That is all over social media. It is yes, is

2793
02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:19,080
Speaker 2: a hot of the and again I brought this up

2794
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:21,160
Speaker 2: with John Paul Morosi right at the top of the show.

2795
02:31:21,160 --> 02:31:23,600
Speaker 2: Because this guy's hitting four oh two right now.

2796
02:31:23,440 --> 02:31:24,720
Speaker 7: He's three ninety seven.

2797
02:31:24,959 --> 02:31:27,480
Speaker 6: He's had five that bats, one hit for today's game

2798
02:31:27,560 --> 02:31:29,160
Speaker 6: so far, top of the ninth in eight and so

2799
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:31,160
Speaker 6: three seven.

2800
02:31:31,200 --> 02:31:32,240
Speaker 7: I mean that's still pretty good.

2801
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not for him. But no, I did.

2802
02:31:36,560 --> 02:31:41,160
Speaker 3: I do think a Rise is a pretty cool name too.

2803
02:31:40,959 --> 02:31:41,600
Speaker 2: A Rise.

2804
02:31:42,400 --> 02:31:46,040
Speaker 6: But already you know, with Aaron Judge, all Rise, it's

2805
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:47,280
Speaker 6: already that's already taken.

2806
02:31:48,120 --> 02:31:54,000
Speaker 2: We can't ra Rise Rise, all right, we found out

2807
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:58,080
Speaker 2: I can't do it, all right, Manzi. Tremendous stuff. As

2808
02:31:58,120 --> 02:32:04,160
Speaker 2: always today, we always appreciate the NBA coaching vacancies have

2809
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:07,879
Speaker 2: been filled. And one guy that did not get tabbed

2810
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:15,080
Speaker 2: finally for a job is Doc Rivers. It's always amazing

2811
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:18,720
Speaker 2: to me when we talk about recycle coaches and everything else.

2812
02:32:19,080 --> 02:32:21,200
Speaker 2: You know, I was looking back when he was he

2813
02:32:21,240 --> 02:32:25,160
Speaker 2: started his career with Orlando, his coaching career, and he

2814
02:32:25,240 --> 02:32:27,600
Speaker 2: was the coach of the year his very first year.

2815
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:30,360
Speaker 2: It really was a remarkable job. It was a roster

2816
02:32:30,480 --> 02:32:33,800
Speaker 2: that completely been depleted and he actually got into five

2817
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:38,160
Speaker 2: hundred and it was it was a pretty good coaching situation.

2818
02:32:38,280 --> 02:32:42,080
Speaker 2: But you're talking earlier rich about having players. So he

2819
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:46,120
Speaker 2: goes to Boston. In his first three years at Boston

2820
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:51,520
Speaker 2: he won forty five games, thirty three games, and twenty

2821
02:32:51,560 --> 02:32:54,920
Speaker 2: four games. You see you downward trend on that one.

2822
02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:57,160
Speaker 2: He started at forty five and thirty seven. By his

2823
02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:00,760
Speaker 2: third year he's twenty four and fifty eight, and then

2824
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:04,640
Speaker 2: they bring in Garnett and Ray Allen and they win

2825
02:33:04,680 --> 02:33:08,400
Speaker 2: the championship. Now, was he a different coach or whatever.

2826
02:33:08,959 --> 02:33:12,199
Speaker 2: This is one of those guys that, like I said,

2827
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:15,800
Speaker 2: he's great with the media. He knows how to sell himself,

2828
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:17,720
Speaker 2: he knows how to say the right things. But in

2829
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:20,039
Speaker 2: the bottom line is he went to the Clippers. They

2830
02:33:20,080 --> 02:33:22,280
Speaker 2: were a fifty five win team when he got there,

2831
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:25,280
Speaker 2: they stayed there his entire time, and then obviously with

2832
02:33:25,360 --> 02:33:28,760
Speaker 2: Philadelphia he wasn't able to take him to another level either.

2833
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:31,800
Speaker 2: So I think finally around the NBA, someone's gotten why

2834
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:34,280
Speaker 2: to the fact that if you're looking to get to

2835
02:33:34,360 --> 02:33:40,280
Speaker 2: that next level, this is definitely not the guy to hire. Yeah,

2836
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:44,320
Speaker 2: Doc Rivers, it looks like it's somebody eventually hired this guy.

2837
02:33:44,400 --> 02:33:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, look here's the I'm not sure why it's

2838
02:33:48,080 --> 02:33:51,080
Speaker 3: a political position. This goes back to the conversation we

2839
02:33:51,080 --> 02:33:55,160
Speaker 3: were just having. In the NBA, you have two choices.

2840
02:33:55,560 --> 02:33:58,240
Speaker 3: You either hire a guy who is going to help

2841
02:33:58,280 --> 02:34:03,400
Speaker 3: you develop young players into better NBA stars, or you're

2842
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:05,520
Speaker 3: going to hire somebody who can handle a locker room

2843
02:34:05,560 --> 02:34:10,840
Speaker 3: with a bunch of big, high priced superstars and just

2844
02:34:10,959 --> 02:34:15,360
Speaker 3: control the narrative and to play armchair psychologists throughout the

2845
02:34:15,400 --> 02:34:20,320
Speaker 3: course of their journey to winning playoff series or championships.

2846
02:34:20,840 --> 02:34:24,959
Speaker 3: Like that's basically your two choices. Like coach bud Out

2847
02:34:24,959 --> 02:34:27,800
Speaker 3: in Milwaukee was definitely more of the former than the latter.

2848
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:29,720
Speaker 3: He's the type of coach that you bring in to

2849
02:34:29,879 --> 02:34:35,200
Speaker 3: encourage young roster and to maximize the development of a

2850
02:34:35,320 --> 02:34:37,800
Speaker 3: roster on your way to having success, and he was

2851
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:39,800
Speaker 3: able to net a championship out of it. But I

2852
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:44,240
Speaker 3: don't think that the current you know Yannis, is going

2853
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:47,240
Speaker 3: to put up well with a coach who asks so

2854
02:34:47,400 --> 02:34:50,920
Speaker 3: much of its players, because that's not what they need

2855
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:54,400
Speaker 3: right now, or at least not in his course of development.

2856
02:34:54,440 --> 02:34:58,120
Speaker 3: At this point, he's already established. So where they're at

2857
02:34:58,320 --> 02:35:01,800
Speaker 3: is adding stars if they can per their salary cap

2858
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:05,440
Speaker 3: payroll restrictions and finding a coach who can lead the

2859
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:10,720
Speaker 3: way more of a psychologist and a politician, And I

2860
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:14,600
Speaker 3: think Doc Rivers, after the championship he won in Boston,

2861
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:17,879
Speaker 3: has really settled into that political role where if he's

2862
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,040
Speaker 3: going to get hired, it's gonna be with the team

2863
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:24,480
Speaker 3: that an ownership group feels like they are the majority

2864
02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:26,360
Speaker 3: of the way there and they just need a guy

2865
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:28,920
Speaker 3: who's a veteran, who's got his hand on the tiller,

2866
02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:30,760
Speaker 3: who's going to be able to guide the ship and

2867
02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:35,520
Speaker 3: navigate some of the murky depths of the NBA regular

2868
02:35:35,560 --> 02:35:37,959
Speaker 3: season in postseason on their way to a championship. The

2869
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:41,240
Speaker 3: problem is he doesn't have any postseason success to crow

2870
02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:46,400
Speaker 3: about since the big win with Boston. So, like you said,

2871
02:35:46,520 --> 02:35:50,400
Speaker 3: it's a little befuddling why he's been recycled so many

2872
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:52,880
Speaker 3: times as a head coach in this league. But at

2873
02:35:52,879 --> 02:35:57,600
Speaker 3: the same token, I understand it because he can project

2874
02:35:57,959 --> 02:36:02,280
Speaker 3: a level of confidence and he has a resume that

2875
02:36:02,680 --> 02:36:05,520
Speaker 3: suggests you should trust him, and so a lot of teams,

2876
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:07,400
Speaker 3: a lot of teams do all right.

2877
02:36:07,480 --> 02:36:09,400
Speaker 2: On the other side, our picks for Game five of

2878
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:14,520
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, Do I smell another lock? This is

2879
02:36:14,560 --> 02:36:15,640
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

2880
02:36:16,040 --> 02:36:19,840
Speaker 9: Reinhard shoots flats, white cloud stick breaks centering pass kicked

2881
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:22,520
Speaker 9: away by Carlson five seconds to the right. A shot

2882
02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:26,039
Speaker 9: walks by mcnam rebound is loose, push to the corner and.

2883
02:36:26,000 --> 02:36:27,039
Speaker 3: Time runs out.

2884
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:30,840
Speaker 2: The game is over. The Knights survive.

2885
02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:32,920
Speaker 9: Now up the pile in front.

2886
02:36:32,680 --> 02:36:33,040
Speaker 5: Of the goal.

2887
02:36:33,360 --> 02:36:36,600
Speaker 9: Kel jumps in as well. His helmet is off. Several

2888
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:41,400
Speaker 9: players tackling each other. The linesman now restrained hill. Several

2889
02:36:41,440 --> 02:36:44,360
Speaker 9: things are being thrown onto the ice as we speak.

2890
02:36:44,840 --> 02:36:48,000
Speaker 9: The Knights have one game four, barely surviving.

2891
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:53,520
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2892
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2898
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:16,280
Speaker 2: dot com studios. Now that's the way to end a

2899
02:37:16,360 --> 02:37:17,720
Speaker 2: game with a full out brawl.

2900
02:37:18,280 --> 02:37:22,840
Speaker 3: I like that, Yeah, yeah, it's It's honestly a part

2901
02:37:22,879 --> 02:37:27,040
Speaker 3: of hockey that I frankly still love and enjoy that.

2902
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:29,560
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm gonna I'm gonna discuss something with

2903
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:31,120
Speaker 2: you in a second. First, I want to make sure

2904
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:34,640
Speaker 2: we thank everybody today. Sam on the board as always,

2905
02:37:34,680 --> 02:37:37,280
Speaker 2: It's great to have him back. Saturday Night's all right

2906
02:37:37,320 --> 02:37:39,640
Speaker 2: for fighting? Yeah, you know, I mean that is hockey.

2907
02:37:39,720 --> 02:37:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, if you don't have a brawl, then why

2908
02:37:41,400 --> 02:37:44,160
Speaker 2: why exactly are we playing the game? Although it's rare

2909
02:37:44,160 --> 02:37:47,200
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, Yeah, it's you don't really see a

2910
02:37:47,240 --> 02:37:50,960
Speaker 2: lot of that in the playoffs. But obviously last night

2911
02:37:51,440 --> 02:37:53,920
Speaker 2: things boiled over as the Knights took that three one

2912
02:37:54,040 --> 02:37:58,279
Speaker 2: series lead. Montay, of course, doing a brilliant job is yeah,

2913
02:37:58,320 --> 02:38:02,000
Speaker 2: she's she's the one it keeps the starting the drink

2914
02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:06,199
Speaker 2: around here apparently. And then there's bo bo bo bo bobo,

2915
02:38:06,480 --> 02:38:06,960
Speaker 2: oh bo.

2916
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:08,280
Speaker 3: What do we say about that?

2917
02:38:08,480 --> 02:38:10,640
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine bow and paint. You know what

2918
02:38:10,680 --> 02:38:13,840
Speaker 2: I was thinking and seeing that hockey fight happen. Why

2919
02:38:13,879 --> 02:38:16,640
Speaker 2: isn't there more sportsmanship in professional sports? Okay, I'm glad

2920
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:18,480
Speaker 2: you mentioned that, because very.

2921
02:38:18,360 --> 02:38:21,000
Speaker 3: Quickly we've run out of time on the show.

2922
02:38:21,160 --> 02:38:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I am going to be part of a

2923
02:38:23,879 --> 02:38:27,400
Speaker 2: group discussion on Tuesday at the Rose Bowl to discuss

2924
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:32,080
Speaker 2: why the media doesn't do more to promote sportsmanship. My

2925
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:34,200
Speaker 2: goal in that meeting is to be thrown out of

2926
02:38:34,200 --> 02:38:38,640
Speaker 2: the room. I'm going to show them what sportsmanship is

2927
02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:41,400
Speaker 2: all about. I literally I signed up for this, and

2928
02:38:41,480 --> 02:38:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm really wondering why I did, because I can only

2929
02:38:44,120 --> 02:38:46,440
Speaker 2: imagine what this is, where this is going to go.

2930
02:38:47,800 --> 02:38:50,240
Speaker 2: There's one thing about sportsmanship at a little league game

2931
02:38:50,280 --> 02:38:53,400
Speaker 2: and another in professional sports. So just make sure it

2932
02:38:53,480 --> 02:38:56,160
Speaker 2: ends up on YouTube. Please. Yeah, I'll try, but it

2933
02:38:56,200 --> 02:38:58,280
Speaker 2: could be a very short stay for me in that room.

2934
02:38:58,360 --> 02:39:01,120
Speaker 2: All right, Ritchie, let's let's talk about night's Game five

2935
02:39:01,160 --> 02:39:04,320
Speaker 2: of the NBA Finals, Nuggets trying to wrap it up.

2936
02:39:04,440 --> 02:39:06,800
Speaker 2: Of course, I made a Bowl prediction last Sunday. I

2937
02:39:06,959 --> 02:39:10,800
Speaker 2: locked a Miami win against the spread, and I couldn't

2938
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:13,680
Speaker 2: believe I was actually right. Which way you're going in

2939
02:39:13,720 --> 02:39:15,520
Speaker 2: this game tomorrow? Yeah?

2940
02:39:15,560 --> 02:39:19,119
Speaker 3: Look, I don't think there's any reason to bet against

2941
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:23,000
Speaker 3: the Denver Nuggets any longer, So I'm gonna take Denver.

2942
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:26,240
Speaker 3: I think that they are the lock to win the

2943
02:39:26,320 --> 02:39:33,000
Speaker 3: NBA Finals. I what does Miami do against Nikola Jokic.

2944
02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:36,320
Speaker 3: The answer is nothing. The best they could do is

2945
02:39:36,360 --> 02:39:38,879
Speaker 3: shoot three point shots the way they did in Game

2946
02:39:38,920 --> 02:39:43,600
Speaker 3: two and just be lights out for a dramatic fourth

2947
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:45,720
Speaker 3: quarter finish. I just don't see them being able to

2948
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:47,640
Speaker 3: replicate that success I got Denver.

2949
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:49,720
Speaker 2: There's no sense to it at all, which is why

2950
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:52,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to go in Miami to win Game five

2951
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:56,560
Speaker 2: in Denver and then lose Game six at home and

2952
02:39:56,680 --> 02:40:00,720
Speaker 2: in the series. There you have it, folks, nowhere to go.

2953
02:40:00,920 --> 02:40:03,199
Speaker 2: Just keep it right here. This is Fox Sports Radio.