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Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to Turning Point Tonight. We're together,

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Speaker 1: we're charting the course of America's cultural will comeback tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're recording this video, which is not necessarily an ordinary

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Speaker 1: thing that we do, but from the University of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Very excited, Tucker Carlson will be here. You're gonna see

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Speaker 1: the reair of this fantastic event. Here's our Turning Point

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Speaker 1: team on campus. And I know this is a little

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Speaker 2: It's a good time. Hope you enjoyed the event. We

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Speaker 2: will see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Same time, same place. God bless America.

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Speaker 2: That's too good, Joe, Bob, that's too good. I got

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Speaker 2: to tour.

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Speaker 1: With Charlie as his opening act the last three years.

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Speaker 1: I think initially some people might have found it odd

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Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk was bringing a comedian on the road

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Speaker 1: with him, But also I don't think people realize how

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Speaker 1: much Charlie loved moved to laugh. Mark Twain once said

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Speaker 1: the human race has only one.

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Speaker 2: Really effective weapon, and that's laughter.

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Speaker 1: And even though he was known for his logic and reason,

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Speaker 1: nobody understood the power of laughter.

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Speaker 3: Better than Charlie.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome comedian Turning Point, contributor and

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Speaker 4: host of Turning Point Tonight.

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Speaker 5: Joe Bob, Joe Bob, Joe Bob Job, Joe Bob, Joe Bob,

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Speaker 2: What is going on on you?

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Speaker 1: Six of ten? We canna try that again? What is

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Speaker 1: going on on you? I'm so excited to be here

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Speaker 1: with you. I obviously wish it was under better circumstances.

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Speaker 1: But even with those circumstances what they are I can

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Speaker 1: tell you definitively and confidently.

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Speaker 2: Charlie would be so.

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Speaker 1: Proud that each and every one of you filled this

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Speaker 1: place to the rafters for the longest running actual no

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Speaker 1: King's protest. Why don't you guys go hidding round applause

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Speaker 1: for yourself. Yeah, what a weird weekend that was. You

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of overweight, blue haired sociology majors parading

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting. One of the things that.

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Speaker 1: Charlie used to say so often was be precise with

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Speaker 2: I found out over the weekend that the Libs do

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Speaker 1: They are not precise, they're not responsible. We've all seen that.

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Speaker 1: And what I thought was super interesting is it's really

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Speaker 1: not even what you say, it's also like how you

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Speaker 1: protests and like, that's Jimmy, he's queer, they would all

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Speaker 1: Now I'm in trouble. So because I want to elaborate

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Speaker 2: A while ago.

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Speaker 1: So Turning Point has a bunch of different contributors, and

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Speaker 1: So we had these roundtable discussions and we got a

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Speaker 1: The conversations went all over the place. You have Charlie

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Speaker 1: In kind of a lull in the conversation, Alex Clark

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Speaker 1: talking about the variety in ideas on the Conservative side

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Speaker 4: So without further ado, please hit me with your questions.

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Speaker 8: Oh man, thank you for having.

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Speaker 8: But I do. So I'm not passing the buck.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much stuff.

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Speaker 10: Thanks, hey, Tucker, it's great to speak to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, great to stay to Indiana. Let's go, Hoosiers,

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Speaker 6: In foreign policy.

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Speaker 8: So I really do hate that.

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Speaker 8: And it's enormously frustrating.

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Speaker 4: That's why they voted for Donald Trump in the first place.

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Speaker 4: And you know, no, Pointless Wars was not just a

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Speaker 4: maga is five things. Okay. Mega is America first, which

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Speaker 4: means Americans should put no country before America. American interests

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Speaker 8: That's not a crazy idea.

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Speaker 4: No pointless wars period and by pointless, I mean wars

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Speaker 8: They weaken this country.

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Speaker 4: Wars fought because somebody running a country is bad.

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Speaker 8: Okay, it is bad.

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Speaker 4: bring back American jobs, right of meaningful jobs. You know,

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Speaker 4: and someone needs to be thinking about that deeply. In

446
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Speaker 4: the promise of MAGA was that somebody would. And then,

447
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: of course immigration, you have to control who comes in

448
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: and out of your country, or else you're not a country.

449
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 8: And I know that.

450
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Speaker 4: It's considered highly controversial to say that the population of

451
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Speaker 4: America is being replaced by people from other countries. But

452
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 4: it's not controversial. It's a mathematical fact. And the numbers

453
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: are taken by the US Census and that's just true. Now,

454
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 4: some people are for it. I'm against it. I'm from here.

455
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 4: I'm against that. I'm against replacing the current population. And

456
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: it's happening in this country. It's completely happened in Canada

457
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Speaker 4: and New Zealand and Australia, in the UK, it's happening

458
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Speaker 4: to the English speaking world. I'm not exactly sure what

459
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Speaker 4: that is, but I'm totally opposed, and so is everyone

460
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Speaker 4: in voted for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: That's not a.

462
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 4: Conspiracy theory, it's a mathematical reality. And stop it now

463
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Speaker 4: and The fifth pillar of MAGA, just to be totally clear,

464
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Speaker 4: is free speech, because it's our birthright as Americans. And

465
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Speaker 4: so when we talk about cancel culture or the woke,

466
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: the woke organs, what does that even mean. It means

467
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: people who are attempting to abridge my ability to speak

468
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Speaker 4: freely about what I actually believe.

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Speaker 8: That's what that is.

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Speaker 4: It's an attack on free speech. And by the way,

471
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Speaker 4: the second Trump gets elected, all these people show up

472
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: who I've never heard of, who are MAGA people?

473
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Speaker 8: I can't hear you?

474
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Speaker 4: Can't you scream Ladder, I love the solidarity.

475
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 6: Fish and they're saying tapes hous.

476
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Speaker 4: I couldn't hear what she said. But this is why

477
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 4: I'm such an unpleasant person. That brings it out of me.

478
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna really try to be a nice person.

479
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 8: To screechy oh Love. I could hear that anyway.

480
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: That you know, there's all of a sudden this attempt

481
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Speaker 4: to limit what people can say in public, and it's

482
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Speaker 4: by people who claim to be maga. It's like insane

483
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Speaker 4: and I'm really sure it. So again, those are the

484
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Speaker 4: five pillars of maga. To be clear, I didn't make

485
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Speaker 4: them up. Donald Trump articulated them consistently for ten years,

486
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Speaker 4: a full decade. He's dominated American politics for ten years

487
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 4: on the basis of those five ideas, and a central

488
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Speaker 4: one of those five, the five Pillars of Donald Trump,

489
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Speaker 4: is no pointless wars. He ran on it, He talked

490
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Speaker 4: about it extensively, explained why he thought it, including in

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Speaker 4: interviews with me. And you know, I will give allowances

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Speaker 4: that the world is super complicated and conflicts are very

493
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Speaker 4: hard to end, easy to start, hard to end, which

494
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Speaker 4: is why you don't enter into them lightly. It's like marriage,

495
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 4: pretty easy to get married, go to Vegas, hard to

496
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Speaker 4: get divorced, and that is true for wars. And so

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Speaker 4: I will allow that because I'm familiar with some of

498
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Speaker 4: the details. It's hard, but it's not that hard, and

499
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Speaker 4: it's not as hard as some people pretend it is.

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Speaker 4: And you know who the bad actors are. It's Lensky's

501
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: a bad actor. Okay, he's a dictator. He's not the

502
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Speaker 4: elected president of Ukraine, and he is set about methodically

503
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Speaker 4: trying to eliminate traditional Christianity from Ukraine.

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Speaker 8: How about No, I'm not sending you money for that.

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Speaker 8: I'm a Christian.

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Speaker 4: No, And so again, there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 8: But I think anybody.

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Speaker 4: Who begins negotiations or attempts to influence negotiations between Russia

509
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Speaker 4: and Ukraine, who takes Zelensky seriously is making a mistake

510
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Speaker 4: and probably prolonging a war that is basically title for Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. There will be no Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: But a Zelensky allowed a law to go through the

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Speaker 4: lawmaking body of Ukraine that legalize the sale of land

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Speaker 4: in Ukraine to foreigners.

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Speaker 8: That's a fact.

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Speaker 4: And now the male population in Ukraine has been so

517
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Speaker 4: completely decimated. Of course they lie about the numbers, but

518
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Speaker 4: one hundreds and unders of thousands of Ukrainian men have died.

519
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, we're going to need to fill Ukraine

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Speaker 4: with foreigners just because we have no labor force. So

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Speaker 4: ask yourself, in a generation, will Ukraine be Ukrainian or

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Speaker 4: will be like Canada and New zeal Industralia, the UK

523
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Speaker 4: and the United States. Will it have turned over in population,

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Speaker 4: will be a different country? And the answer is probably.

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Speaker 4: And there's nothing worse than that. Actually, there's nothing worse

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Speaker 4: than that to take an ancient indigenous population and just

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Speaker 4: eliminate them and that's exactly what they're doing, and no

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Speaker 4: one's saying that, and Zelensky is leading it so hard

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Speaker 4: no to him.

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Speaker 8: And then on the Middle.

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Speaker 4: Eastern stuff like we have a lot of leverage, and

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Speaker 4: I don't you sound informed. I'm not gonna continue, but

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00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: I mean, we pay for the whole thing, so we're

534
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: not gonna pay for this anymore.

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Speaker 8: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, if my kids are acting in some

537
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: outrageous way, you can be like, don't do drugs or

538
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Speaker 4: study hard in school.

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Speaker 8: But ultimately you.

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Speaker 4: Will find out when you become a parent, which I

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Speaker 4: hope is soon have kids young, you will find out

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00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: that your real leverage is economic. You're paying for this crap.

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Speaker 8: And so if it.

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Speaker 4: Really comes down to it and your kid is just

545
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: wasting his time in college, you could go nuclear and

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Speaker 4: say I'm not paying for it.

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Speaker 8: Get a job in the kitchen. What cancer? Every bit

548
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Speaker 8: is entitled as net yahoo, you know what, work for it.

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Speaker 4: But you can do that, and sometimes you have to

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Speaker 4: do that, and we've reached the point where we I

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Speaker 4: think we have to do it because the cost to

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Speaker 4: the United States is profound. So yes, I'm agitated on

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Speaker 4: those two questions. I share your frustration, and you don't

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Speaker 4: want to my father aside, you don't want to live

555
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: in a country controlled by people whose names you don't know.

556
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: They work for agencies whose funding is secret. Like if

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Speaker 4: you actually knew the influence of a couple or more

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Speaker 4: than a couple of federal agencies, some of which you

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00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 4: probably have never heard of, on American politics and global affairs,

560
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: you'd be even more freaked down than you are. So, yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm upset about it very Thank you for pissing me

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Speaker 4: off more.

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Speaker 2: Can I leave a final remark?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, of course this is something like.

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Speaker 6: Not political, but I think you like talking about it.

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Speaker 11: Are aliens a religious or extraterrestrial subject?

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Speaker 4: They're spiritual entities, is my view, Yes, And I think

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're from another planet, don't think there's

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Speaker 4: any evidence of that.

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Speaker 8: Perhaps they are, but they've been resident.

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Speaker 4: Here for recorded history, and there's every reason to believe

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Speaker 4: for eternity.

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Speaker 8: And this is my belief. And I think there's a

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Speaker 8: lot there.

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Speaker 4: There's also a lot of lying about it and official

576
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Speaker 4: disinformation designed to confuse people or make you look ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of stuff out there that

578
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Speaker 4: you read about that subject that was put there in order.

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Speaker 8: To get you off the trail, and I'm not guessing

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Speaker 8: at this some of it's been declassified.

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Speaker 4: There's been a persistent seventy five year effort by the

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Speaker 4: United States government to confuse the population about what these

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Speaker 4: things are that we can see in the sky, and

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Speaker 4: many people have seen, but after looking into it, you know,

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Speaker 4: pretty extensively for a number of years off camera. My

586
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Speaker 4: conclusion is that they are the spiritual entities that are

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Speaker 4: described well in the Old Testament in Ezekiel, but also

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Speaker 4: I would say in the sacred text of all kinds

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Speaker 4: of religions around the world.

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Speaker 8: This is not like basically, I'll stop with this, but.

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Speaker 4: Our culture is anomalist in the sense that we exclude

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Speaker 4: the possibility of a spiritual realm.

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Speaker 8: And that's only been true.

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Speaker 4: In the United States since August of nineteen forty five,

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Speaker 4: when we dropped the atom bomb, which was the turning

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Speaker 4: point in history in my opinion, and it was the

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Speaker 4: beginning of the total destruction of the West, which unfortunately

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Speaker 4: we're witnessing now. And that destruction began with the same

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Speaker 4: lie that begins all destruction, which is I am God.

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Speaker 4: Hubris is the end always, you know. It's what it was,

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Speaker 4: the point of the Tower of Babbel. It's the end

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Speaker 4: of every leader, every leader who's like, I'm very powerful,

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Speaker 4: I have God like powers. That leader will be destroyed

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Speaker 4: and a nation that believes that will be destroyed. And

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Speaker 4: the atom bomb gave us the sense, the false sense,

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Speaker 4: very false sense, that we had absolute power dominion of

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Speaker 4: nature and mankind itself, and we started making a lot

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Speaker 4: of really bad decisions. So but one of the results

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Speaker 4: of that was faith died in the United States.

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Speaker 8: It's resurging now, thank God, literally, but.

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Speaker 4: From my my whole childhood. I was born in nineteen

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Speaker 4: sixty nine, in the year that we walked on the moon, and.

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Speaker 8: Just kidding sort of, maybe I don't no idea, I'm

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Speaker 8: not going to find out. I'm not going to find out.

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Speaker 8: I've got enough, I've got enough problems. I don't want

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Speaker 8: to know.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, the point is I was born that year,

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Speaker 4: and for my entire life up until recently, like no

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Speaker 4: one I knew in my world, which is like, you know, coastal, affluent,

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Speaker 4: well educated. Not that I'm well educated, but everyone else

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Speaker 4: around me is. No one ever like talked about God

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Speaker 4: at dinner. That was like the spiritual realm was like

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Speaker 4: kind of a joke, that like is kind of a

624
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Speaker 4: trailer park belief for who knows what they're handling snakes.

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Speaker 4: They make TV shows about Like no one believed that,

626
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 4: And when you don't believe that, you kind of miss everything.

627
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: Because it is real, whether you want it to be

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Speaker 4: or not. That's literally real, that's absolutely real. It's as

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Speaker 4: real as this podium. And so to someone living even

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Speaker 4: one hundred years ago, the idea that these are of

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Speaker 4: course angels demons, their manifestations of the spiritual battle ongoing

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Speaker 4: since the beginning of time that would have been obvious.

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Speaker 4: Instead were like maybe they flew in rocket ships from Mars?

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Speaker 8: Do we you know, do we have a telescope powerful

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Speaker 8: enough to detect?

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Speaker 10: That?

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Speaker 4: Was? Shut up, you're missing the obvious, dude, So.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I had another dog at one point, who I if

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Speaker 4: you have my dog in the crowd?

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Speaker 8: Oh that way cool.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, you're gonna have to forgive me.

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Speaker 12: I had kind of a cold over the weekend, so

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Speaker 12: I'm losing my voice, but I just kind of wanted

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Speaker 12: to ask I want more insight on this because I think,

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Speaker 12: especially in the age of social media, we're hearing a

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Speaker 12: lot of buzzwords. I think a few examples of that

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Speaker 12: would be where it's like woke or phrases like yes,

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Speaker 12: owning the libs or whatever. You already kind of touched

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Speaker 12: on what your definition of woke is, but I kind

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Speaker 12: of just want to hear more about that and like,

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Speaker 12: how is that attacking your freedom of speech?

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Speaker 6: Who are the people.

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Speaker 12: That are like a part of this movement that's attacking

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Speaker 12: your freedom of speech? I feel like we hear woke

656
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 12: so much, especially from conservatives. I'm personally not one, but

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Speaker 12: we never really hear like what it means.

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Speaker 4: Well, bless you for asking that question, and just in general,

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Speaker 4: I think that.

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Speaker 8: We should demand and the definition of terms.

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Speaker 4: Like if you're being attacked for being something, and if

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Speaker 4: you're being punished, especially for being something, it's fair to

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Speaker 4: ask what do you mean.

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Speaker 8: By that thing?

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Speaker 4: Right, you're racist, you're anti Semitic, you're okay? Well, what

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Speaker 4: is that?

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Speaker 8: Why don't you define it?

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Speaker 2: For me?

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Speaker 4: And woke it would be definitely be in that category.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a thank you for asking that. I

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Speaker 4: can give you the definition that I have in my mind.

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Speaker 4: I think woke has two components. At its core, woke

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Speaker 4: is an attempt by the powerful to make the less

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Speaker 4: powerful shut up. All efforts to stifle speech come from

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Speaker 4: the powerful, not the powerless.

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Speaker 8: What's so interesting about this moment that we live in?

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Speaker 4: It's been true my whole life, really, but it's a

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Speaker 4: new innovation in world history where the powerful use the

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Speaker 4: powerless as a pretext to crush everyone else.

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Speaker 8: So what they do? Yes, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 12: Well, when you say the powerful and the powerless, generally

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Speaker 12: we associate wokeness like you guys say it's like more

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Speaker 12: GBTQ age or more diversity of racists. How has that

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Speaker 12: the more powerful because those are historically oppressed groups of people.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Well, that that's I mean that may or may not

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Speaker 4: be true depending. I mean probably true in some ways,

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Speaker 4: untrue in others.

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Speaker 8: Certainly not true.

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Speaker 2: Now not true now?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean simply because if you were to just,

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Speaker 4: for example, applied to Standford Law School, which I would

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Speaker 4: not recommend, but if you were to write an essay

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Speaker 4: about how you know, growing up queer in a Midwestern farm.

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Speaker 12: Town, I've grown up queer in a Midwestern farms.

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Speaker 4: You should have applied to stand for law school, you

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Speaker 4: probably would have gotten in. I'm glad you didn't. But

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Speaker 4: but here's here's But here's what I'm saying. Leaving aside

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Speaker 4: that and I'm not, by the way, I don't I

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Speaker 4: would never discount the fact that there are people who

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Speaker 4: have been victims of bias. Obviously, I'm merely saying that

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Speaker 4: big picture, the efforts to make other people be quiet

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Speaker 4: on behalf of this or that marginalized group are one

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Speaker 4: percent paid for.

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Speaker 8: And encouraged by the richest people in our society.

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Speaker 4: So if you look for and I'll be very specific

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Speaker 4: in the case of the and I can never do

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Speaker 4: the acronym fully, but for the gay lobby in Washington

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Speaker 4: is run out of a building that was right across

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Speaker 4: from my office for many years called the Human Rights Campaign,

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Speaker 4: which is the largest gay lobby in Washington.

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Speaker 8: Who pays for that? Where does that money come from?

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Speaker 4: And they're the ones you spread popularize the idea that

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Speaker 4: people can change their sex if they want to. Transgenderism,

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Speaker 4: which at the time was like a pretty boutique idea.

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Speaker 4: There had always been transvestites, always in every society, including hours,

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Speaker 4: but the idea that this was a category that needed

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Speaker 4: federal protection and that people were born this way in

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Speaker 4: the wrong body. That was a brand new idea and

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Speaker 4: I was there for that because I'm fifty six.

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Speaker 12: Wait, but correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the Human

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Speaker 12: Rights Campaign? Isn't that an profit organizations? So isn't it

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Speaker 12: funded by or Am I wrong about that?

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Speaker 8: I think it is a nonprofit. And what's interesting, and

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Speaker 8: this is a whole fund raise for the Human Rights Campaign? Sure,

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Speaker 8: but well, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: It is like most lobbies in the United States. I

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Speaker 4: would say all of them actually are not federally funded.

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Speaker 4: They're nonprofits, and they're among the most powerful institutions. They

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Speaker 4: may be the most powerful institutions in our country. Abroad

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Speaker 4: they're called NGOs non governmental organizations, But in the United

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Speaker 4: States they operate is what we call nonprofits under five

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Speaker 4: H one C three tax law, and that means they

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Speaker 4: pay no taxes and so they become enormously rich. Now,

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Speaker 4: if I were in charge, never going to be unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: I would eliminate all tax exemption for everybody, for churches,

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Speaker 4: the Human Rights Campaign, everyone pays the same tax because

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Speaker 4: we're all Americans.

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Speaker 8: That would be my view.

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Speaker 4: I think it's no but that's a sidebark. I would

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Speaker 4: just say if you look, and I would encourage you

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Speaker 4: to do this, to look into who funds that. And

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Speaker 4: by the way, the Heritage Foundation on the right, and

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Speaker 4: like all these nonprofits, it's not just the Human Rights campaign.

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Speaker 4: The people who fund them are not the least powerful.

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Speaker 8: They're not funded by some.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Trans performer, you know in the Castro District in San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: They're funded by billionaires, all of them. BLM, the BLM

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Speaker 4: riots were funded by Apple and Facebook, you know, all

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Speaker 4: the biggest actors in corporate America fund these organizations which

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Speaker 4: have the effect of getting people fired from their jobs.

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Speaker 12: Or to make the argument that Elon Musk he's one

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Speaker 12: of the most powerful people in the world. He's a billionaire,

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Speaker 12: billions and billions of dollars and he put all his

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Speaker 12: money into the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 8: Why I wouldn't make that case. I would state it

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Speaker 8: as facts. That's just it's the facts.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 8: I know you're saying that.

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Speaker 2: Listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 12: You're saying that wokeism, and it's the most powerful people

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Speaker 12: suppressing the lesser powerful. There's cases where it's people that

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Speaker 12: you tip agree with, where it's powerful people suppressing the

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Speaker 12: lesser powerful.

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Speaker 4: That may be absolutely true. I like Elon I'm not

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Speaker 4: endorsing everything he does.

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Speaker 12: But in endorsing a more powerful individual, Why are you

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Speaker 12: only against the more powerful when it's supporting things like

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Speaker 12: human rights and BLM, but you're for it when it's

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Speaker 12: supporting Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't know that, I am.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think we may have a failure of

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Speaker 4: as usual me to explain myself fully. So I think

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Speaker 4: you're speaking about two different categories. The first category was

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Speaker 4: free speech and who's funding the efforts to suppress it?

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Speaker 4: And I would say free speech benefits by definition, the powerless.

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Speaker 4: So like, if you don't have a lot of money,

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Speaker 4: and clearly you know your vote isn't going to turn

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Speaker 4: an election, what do you have?

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Speaker 8: You have your conscience, you have your voice.

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Speaker 4: So traditionally, and this is why it's enshrined in the

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Speaker 4: Bill of Rights, the freedom of speech is the weapon

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Speaker 4: of the powerless. It's all they have is their voice,

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Speaker 4: that's it, okay, and their ability to assemble and petition

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Speaker 4: and make noise and all that.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: This is what liberals used to say all the time,

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Speaker 4: and I always agree with them, and you will find

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Speaker 4: in every society every time, the people who are against

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Speaker 4: the exercise of free speech are the powerful. You find

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Speaker 4: this in you know, the potentates in the Middle East

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Speaker 4: who's against free speech, and Saudi, well the king. Obviously

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Speaker 4: in every country that's the case, and it's true in ours.

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Speaker 4: So that's just a point I would make, And it's

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Speaker 4: true for Wokism, which was a lot of things. It

797
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Speaker 4: was identity politics, but really what was the point of it.

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Speaker 4: It was identifying this group. This group has no power,

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Speaker 4: therefore you're not allowed to criticize them, say the richest

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Speaker 4: people in America who really don't want to hear an

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Speaker 4: analysis of their leadership. That's what it's actually about. So

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Speaker 4: that's the first point. You're making a second point, which

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure I disagree with, which is that people

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Speaker 4: who have billions of dollars have undue influence over our society.

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Speaker 4: Amen's sister, I would say, I.

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Speaker 12: Do agree with that point, though, Like what I'm trying

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Speaker 12: to say is that you're saying that wocism is this

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Speaker 12: more powerful suppressing the less powerful. However, I see that

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Speaker 12: war in our current administration. Donald Trump is incredibly rich.

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Speaker 12: He had Elam Musk who's incredibly rich, and you're you're

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Speaker 12: supporting the First Amendment and freedom to assemble and freedom

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Speaker 12: to a petition. You're saying, that's a good thing that

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Speaker 12: happened this weekend with the No Kings protests, and you're here,

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Speaker 12: this very rich organization, you're here actively criticizing those who

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Speaker 12: went to that protest.

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Speaker 4: I did I know I actually have an organization.

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Speaker 12: Not you specifically.

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Speaker 8: No, No, what I what I said was.

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Speaker 12: I'm not saying what you said. I'm saying what the

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Speaker 12: previous speakers said.

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Speaker 8: Okay, maybe the comedian made.

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Speaker 12: Fun of the people No Kings.

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Speaker 4: You know, I do think, and this is this is

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Speaker 4: news to liberals. I do think making fun of people

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Speaker 4: is within bounds.

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Speaker 13: I'm not saying it, and I enjoy it, and so No,

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Speaker 13: but I but I will take your I will take

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Speaker 13: your where you're going seriously.

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Speaker 8: And I think let me finish where I was.

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Speaker 4: I can't know I'm gonna interrupt you. No, I'm kind

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Speaker 4: of course you could find I'm totally.

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Speaker 8: Kidding, thank you.

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Speaker 12: What I'm saying is, if you support that First Amendment

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Speaker 12: right so much, and you support the idea that the

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Speaker 12: lesser powerful shouldn't be suppressed by the more powerful. I

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Speaker 12: would think that you would be against the President of

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Speaker 12: the United States going on a social media and posting

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Speaker 12: ai videos of him dropping on the protesters. That's the

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Speaker 12: more powerful and they're the lesser powerful.

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Speaker 4: So we may have a definition of terms problem here.

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Speaker 4: So you can say, I think it's ugly that the

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Speaker 4: President of the United States is posting naughty videos on

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Speaker 4: his ex icout or whatever. Okay, fine, What I'm defending

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Speaker 4: is the sacred God given right of every person to

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Speaker 4: say what he believes. That's called free speech. That's what's

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Speaker 4: enshrined in our First Amendment. If you can name any

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Speaker 4: example of the administration of bridging that I will criticis,

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Speaker 4: I will agree with you one hundred percent. I believe

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Speaker 4: in that independent of party. I'm not particularly partisan. Actually,

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Speaker 4: I kind of hate the Republican Party just being honest.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to vote for the Democratic.

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Speaker 4: Party because I think they're evil, So it puts me

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Speaker 4: in a tough spot. But I'm not partisan in the

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Speaker 4: slightest I never have been. So if you can name

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Speaker 4: an example of anybody preventing or trying to prevent someone

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Speaker 4: else from saying what he thinks is true speaking his conscience.

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Speaker 4: I will agree with you, but I don't think that

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Speaker 4: you've thought deeply enough about the difference between making fun

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Speaker 4: of someone and preventing him from speaking.

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Speaker 12: There's a meaning saying.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you said that because Trump posted a naughty cartoon

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Speaker 4: on Twitter, he's against the First Amendment.

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Speaker 12: I'm like, no, he was against the protest, which is

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Speaker 12: an example of practicing the First Amendment.

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Speaker 4: No, you can certainly make fun of a protest without

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Speaker 4: preventing the protest from.

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Speaker 12: An unacceptable way for the president to be acting, though,

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Speaker 12: because he is the president of the United States, he

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Speaker 12: can change.

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Speaker 6: People's course of action.

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Speaker 8: Okay, okay, but can I can it wait? Matta say

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Speaker 8: one thing again.

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Speaker 4: We're we're arguing past each other, and I hope I

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Speaker 4: end with this, which is to say, you can make

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Speaker 4: the case and he shouldn't have done that because it's

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Speaker 4: unbecoming or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Fair.

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Speaker 4: Fine, we can debate it, but I don't think that

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Speaker 4: you're making the case. He was abridging anyone's first moment criticizing.

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Speaker 4: And this is part of the derangement of the left

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Speaker 4: that criticizing somebody is the same as committing violence against

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Speaker 4: them or preventing them from speaking. That is not true,

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Speaker 4: trying to get someone fired.

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Speaker 8: From his job.

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Speaker 4: I've been on the receiving end of that like about

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Speaker 4: one hundred times. I guess I did get fired in

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Speaker 4: the Sorry, I totally forgot.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, I would argue that's like kind of a

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Speaker 4: meaningful attemp to stifle speech. But I just see a

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Speaker 4: big difference. But if you don't, I don't know how.

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Speaker 12: There's other examples of him stifling free speech.

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Speaker 4: All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna I think your questions.

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Speaker 4: I think your questions are in good faith. I think

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Speaker 4: you're trying to understand what I'm saying. I'm definitely trying

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Speaker 4: to understand what you're saying. But I'm gonna ask to

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Speaker 4: go to the next question is because we've gone.

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Speaker 8: Back and forth, quitter but thank you?

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Speaker 10: Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: All right, I hi Tucker.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of surreal because I remember watching you

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and four on CNN.

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Speaker 4: Johnson, I never did that, that's totally that's Ai man.

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Speaker 8: I never And then there was a lot of people

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Speaker 8: don't know you're on MSN.

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Speaker 4: I never worked at CNN.

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Speaker 8: On crossfire, Are you like this?

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Speaker 13: Really?

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Speaker 8: Are you denying that right, you're heard of AI dude,

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I don't I did.

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Speaker 8: I've done a lot of shameful things.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna pretend I have one thing in common

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Speaker 4: with you.

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Speaker 8: I'm also long winded, have a hard time, you know,

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Speaker 8: wrapping up my flock.

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Speaker 4: But I don't have your find a patient wife, that's

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Speaker 4: my advice. I don't have your rhetorical skills.

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Speaker 3: You'll definitely, you know, throw a lot of my way

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Speaker 3: that I won't be able to counter. But I'm just

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Speaker 3: I wonder like for you, like being at CNN, being

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Speaker 3: then being at Fox and like you say, you know

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Speaker 3: you're all against disinformation, but you were, you know, up

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Speaker 3: there with Sean Hannity just repeating talking points, you know,

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Speaker 3: on Fox News, with that Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ayles

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Speaker 3: were just telling you to say that got the tea

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Speaker 3: party started. You can't tell me that you weren't conscious

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Speaker 3: that you were spreading disinformation.

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Speaker 8: In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Wait wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: hold on, hold on you you've already I had an example. No,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna need First of all, I never got talking

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Speaker 4: points from ailes.

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Speaker 3: Or Okay, well, I'm surely directly give them to you obviously.

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Speaker 4: Well, I worked there for fifteen years, so if you're

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Speaker 4: interested in like what it was like, I'm happy to

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Speaker 4: tell you as honestly as I can