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Speaker 1: to the Herd podcast. Oh, it is a very different

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Speaker 2: We are live.

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Speaker 1: On a day many of us, most of us woke up,

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Speaker 1: rushed to the Internet and saw a story that was

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Speaker 1: a combination of James Bond meets Casino meets uncut Gems

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Speaker 1: meets Rounders meets reality. First the Louver heist in Paris

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Speaker 1: this weekend and now a gambling sting with the FBI.

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Speaker 1: In the NBA, it's the Roaring twenties apparently, Welcome into

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Speaker 1: the Herd in Chicago owns still here?

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Speaker 2: WHOA what is happening?

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Speaker 1: If you have not heard NBA current and active NBA

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Speaker 1: coach Chauncey Billups four MVP in the finals, has been arrested,

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Speaker 1: so is Damon Jones and Terry Rozier. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: I used to work in Vegas for seven years I

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Speaker 2: The mob was still in Vegas, so.

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Speaker 1: I don't get real precious on this stuff. For years

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Speaker 1: Boston College in the seventies. People go into prison over

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Speaker 1: this stuff. You can go back to the Romans and

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Speaker 1: the Chariots. Gambling in sports has been intertwined forever, and

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Speaker 1: the mafia is often part of it. Tim Donneghe, the

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Speaker 1: NBA investigation Shoheo Tani, the interpreter. I always look at

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Speaker 1: stories like this as a good thing. I want to

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Speaker 1: protect our sports. I want to protect the sanctity of

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Speaker 1: these sports. So when stories like this come out and

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Speaker 1: they're uncovered and discovered and there's intments and these are

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Speaker 1: all accusations, but it's a four year process by the FBI,

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Speaker 1: about seven million dollars, victims lost hours and hours of videotape.

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Speaker 1: And I've been reading this stuff for the last forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes to an hour, and these are accusations. I'll

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Speaker 1: give you my take on it. So Damon Jones, Terry Rosier,

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Speaker 1: Chauncey Billins. So it's all illegal, gambling. It's eleven states

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Speaker 1: spanned across eleven states, thirty individuals arrested. Thirteen of them

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Speaker 1: are mafia members LaCOSA and Ustra, that's the Italian mafia.

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Speaker 1: So these are two separate incidents. So the NBA one

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Speaker 1: their connections to place prop bets. For instance, Terry rose

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Speaker 1: And a guy who's made over one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: from real bad actors. Not sure why you'd do that,

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Speaker 1: Maybe he was in huge debt. But they're two separate indictments.

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Speaker 1: The poker fraud's been going on forever in basements all

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Speaker 1: Tim Donneghe, Henry Hill, Boston College. There was that NASU investigation.

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Speaker 1: They ninety nine point nine point nine percent of the

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Speaker 1: I remember waking up in Vegas one year Spokesman review.

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Speaker 1: to get Cash Betel on the show today. Here there

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Speaker 1: and here's Cash Betel Today.

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Speaker 4: We are here in New York to announce a historic

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Speaker 4: arrests across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both

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Speaker 4: the NBA and La Casa Nostra. But as you now know,

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Speaker 4: individuals such as Chauncey Phillips, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier

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Speaker 4: You don't know is that this is an illegal gambling

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Speaker 4: The FBI led a coordinative takedown across eleven states to

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Speaker 1: So the one thing I read there was some video

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Speaker 1: It says there were tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Again,

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Speaker 1: My first job was covering a Vegas team where Richard

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Speaker 1: So I just think chariot races, the Romans, gambling mafia,

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Speaker 1: The Donneghe stuff was unbelievable when it happened, and Donneghie

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Speaker 1: for years and years said I didn't change outcomes.

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Speaker 1: I just called fowls like validating it, rationalizing it.

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Speaker 1: Last night, when I went to bed, it was a

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Speaker 1: normal story, well abnormal. The second best player in the league,

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Speaker 5: After much morning control of myself the mind, I'm not

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Speaker 5: So I'm not thinking disre granted anymore. But the body, it's, uh,

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Speaker 1: So the NBA has made this statement announcement this morning.

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Speaker 1: You don't hate the Dodgers. You want to be the Dodgers. Smart,

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Speaker 1: They're a shining example in Major League Baseball of what's

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Speaker 1: In a stadium that's gorgeous, but older and not easy

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Speaker 6: Before this season started, they said the Dodgers are ruining baseball.

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Speaker 7: Con Let's start with Patrick Mahomes, who's having a rebound season.

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Speaker 7: He was not very good last year as the Chiefs

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Speaker 7: The kid out of Ohio State, right, he fell in

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Speaker 8: This season, yes, and then.

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Speaker 7: He's like taken a little I don't know if it's

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Speaker 7: nobody's talking about it. We haven't seen the offensive line

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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl, there was no time for that. Jalen

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Speaker 7: Carter was in his face.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think there are a lot of great

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Speaker 1: old lines Detroit, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Denver.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of great o lines.

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Speaker 1: The Bears, by the way on the interior now guard

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Speaker 1: center guard, I think has become really really elite. But

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Speaker 1: the truth is most teams, I mean, Brady used to

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Speaker 1: beat you, getting rid of the ball quickly. When he

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Speaker 1: had a great deep threat, he didn't win Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So I've never been a big believer in the deep ball.

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Speaker 1: And the other reason I don't believe in it is

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Speaker 1: because the playoffs are January in late December, and it's

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Speaker 1: hard to throw the ball deep in windy Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo weather.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know what we're doing with gambling on

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Speaker 7: the show. But we haven't talked this game. It's up

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Speaker 7: to twelve and a half Monday Night, stay away college number.

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Speaker 2: I don't listen.

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Speaker 7: They just smashed the Raiders thirty one zero was non competitive,

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Speaker 7: and now we got Marcus Mariota in there.

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Speaker 2: Ken Washington Hang.

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Speaker 7: They couldn't stop Dallas at all. What makes you think

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Speaker 7: they're gonna stop KC.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't wager on college numbers. That's too big for me.

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Speaker 2: That's probably smart.

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Speaker 7: Let's move on to Lamar Jackson Colin speaking of mysteries.

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Speaker 7: We don't know if he's gonna play this week. John

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Speaker 7: Harbaugh's playing being very coy. The Ravens obviously need him.

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Speaker 7: The Cooper Rush experience has been awful. Here's John Harbaugh

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Speaker 7: on Lamar's status for Sunday.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to put a number on. I think it's

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Speaker 6: just part of the process right now. I really don't

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Speaker 6: have any shareable injury intelligence for you guys at this point.

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Speaker 6: What do you think of that.

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Speaker 7: Gamesmanship?

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Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

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Speaker 7: Lamar's plan you feel confident with the line hasn't gone down.

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Speaker 7: If it all of a sudden goes to three and

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Speaker 7: a half today, maybe he's out, but I think he plays.

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Speaker 7: Is this a blazing five.

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Speaker 1: Or Farr shows up to practice. Maybe it is Lamar

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Speaker 1: shows up to practice on Tuesday, he's playing.

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Speaker 7: Oh it was Wednesday yesterday. Yeah, interesting, you're considering. I'm

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Speaker 7: considering it for headlines, but I'm not considering the Bears.

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Speaker 7: And for me, this is Ravens are passed and it

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Speaker 7: sounds like they're going to be very healthy off the buy. Okay,

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Speaker 7: you've said enough by just nodding all right.

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Speaker 2: Now, Colin, This one caught me off guard. Final story.

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Speaker 7: AJ Brown had a phenomenal game against the Vikings, and

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Speaker 7: all of a sudden, he's got a hamstring injury. Miss

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Speaker 7: practice yesterday. What I thought the Eagles were going to

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Speaker 7: be my biggest play of the week. Against the Giants.

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Speaker 7: I love them in a revenge spot here, but no

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Speaker 7: Aj Brown kind of changes things. We saw the Giant

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Speaker 7: secondary get lit up like a Christmas tree in the

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Speaker 7: fourth quarter, could not stop Bo Nicks, your guy. I

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Speaker 7: like the Eagles here, but this Aj Brown injury kind

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Speaker 7: of mysterious. Kin the lead get healthy?

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Speaker 2: What's going on here? I I think the league's always bad.

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Speaker 1: I also think much like the Dodgers pitching staff, where

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Speaker 1: Snell and Glass know were eventually going to be healthy

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Speaker 1: just in time for the playoffs. I think when you

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Speaker 1: get when you're as deep as they are and you're

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Speaker 1: at home against the team, do you feel good about

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Speaker 1: why risk it? I like in a seventeen game schedule,

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Speaker 1: there's no question that NFL teams now if it's a

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Speaker 1: go either way decision. I think we've seen this about

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Speaker 1: a half dozen times this year. It's a go either

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Speaker 1: way decision on game day and the player doesn't play.

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Speaker 1: I grew up with a fourteen game NFL schedule, then

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Speaker 1: I went to sixteen. Now at seventeen, rumor is in

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Speaker 1: two years at eighteen. I think, like a baseball or

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Speaker 1: a basketball, if a guys go either way and you

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Speaker 1: got a winning record, sity, it's not like they don't

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Speaker 1: have offensive weapons.

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Speaker 2: Well, my only thing is Colin.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to go overboard here, but the Dallas

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Speaker 7: Cowboys Broncos game is fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: If Dallas wins that and the Eagle somehow slip up

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Speaker 7: against the Giants, I think we could start talking about

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Speaker 7: the NFC East being a Cowboys Eagles deal. Like, well,

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Speaker 7: I think it's closer than people are talking about.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 7: That's how good Dallas has been. Do you not think

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Speaker 7: Dallas has a shot? I think Washington's out the schedules.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can win a division with that

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Speaker 1: bad of defense, But I do think everybody's smushed closer

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Speaker 1: because of a bit of a coaching crisis and o

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Speaker 1: line injury crisis in Philly.

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Speaker 2: I think I thought of.

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Speaker 1: It as Eagles way up here, Giants way down there,

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Speaker 1: and between the Giants offense and the Cowboys offense and

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Speaker 1: the regression of Washington's offense, it's all mushed together.

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Speaker 7: How about the season opener, Dallas nearly beat Philly if

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Speaker 7: des Bryant doesn't drop a million boys, So I think

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Speaker 7: the Eagles. I know you want to play it safe, Hey,

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Speaker 7: let's sit aj Brown. I think they kind of need

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Speaker 7: him this week. You cannot mess around this Giants team, Colin.

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Speaker 7: They're frisky with your boy, Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Dart Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 8: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 8: herd Line.

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Speaker 1: News and we'll we'll keep you updated on the Terry

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Speaker 1: Rosier Chaunce Phillips story the FBI, which is what we

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Speaker 1: all woke up to this morning. So I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about this. The Ben Johnson Bears, the Caleb william Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson Chicago Bears are really interesting and we're all kind

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Speaker 1: of watching it whether it hits or fails. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna hit, but it is interesting. Ben Johnson when

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Speaker 1: he was in Detroit was with Jared Goff, and this

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Speaker 1: morning we went and looked at Ben Johnson's first six

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Speaker 1: games with Caleb Williams and his first six games with

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff, and you know what, you see identical numbers.

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Speaker 1: Caleb just wins more so two things. Three things are

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Speaker 1: very clear. There's clearly progress with Caleb Williams and the

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Speaker 1: Bears offense this year to last. And it also proves

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Speaker 1: most of you weren't watching Jared Goff in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two Lions. By the way, that Lions team, they

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Speaker 1: had Homer on Saint Brown o line PFF had at

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Speaker 1: top ten. They had Piney Sewel, they had two good

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Speaker 1: running backs including DeAndre Swift Jabal Williams. It was a

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Speaker 1: good team. They had a lot of good players, and

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Speaker 1: they weren't very good. And nobody was watching that team,

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Speaker 1: and everybody's watching this team. The only time you watched

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Speaker 1: that Lions team last game of the year, when they

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Speaker 1: went to Lambeau and beat Aaron Rodgers and not Green

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Speaker 1: Bay out of the playoffs, and that was Aaron's last game.

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Speaker 2: As a Packer.

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Speaker 1: That's when you first watched them. The difference is the Bears.

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Speaker 1: We've been watching it since June. That's when we've been

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Speaker 1: watching this Bears team. So I think, and here's the

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Speaker 1: thing is is that Caleb Williams was under a microscope

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Speaker 1: his first started at Oklahoma. I think he replaced Spencer Rattlers.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like, oh, first start Oklahoma, then

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Speaker 1: at USC then last year, then this year. Jared Goff.

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Speaker 1: You didn't watch them in Detroit until that game in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. And so here are facts about Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: and the Bears and Ben Johnson through six games. The

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Speaker 1: facts looked it up this morning. He is taking far

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Speaker 1: fewer sacks. That was my number one concern, not yards,

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Speaker 1: not touchdowns. He's taken fewer sacks. He has a higher

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Speaker 1: passer rating, and the Bears lead the NFL in big

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Speaker 1: plays per game.

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Speaker 2: It is working. It is absolutely working.

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Speaker 1: It's a little rough the operational side of it's a

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Speaker 1: little clunky about twice a game. But Greg Olsen came

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Speaker 1: on the show earlier and said, it's fine right now.

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Speaker 10: Franchises fail young quarterbacks more than young quarterbacks fail franchises,

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Speaker 10: and I think you're seeing it with what Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 10: is doing with some of these rebirth of Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 10: who now continued it in Seattle. And you know, you're

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Speaker 10: seeing what goes on with so many of these quarterbacks

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Speaker 10: that were left for dead. It is such an important

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Speaker 10: part of all this. And then you factor in just

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Speaker 10: how young Caleb is and how fresh he is in

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Speaker 10: his NFL career. I think there's been great Growthstely.

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Speaker 1: We're just watching this and we didn't watch the Lions

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Speaker 1: until the following year when we all went, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: like most of us. We're watching Stafford of the Rams

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Speaker 1: way more than golf to the Lions until that Packer game,

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Speaker 1: and then the following year they came out and you're like,

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Speaker 1: is Detroit good? What differences? We're just watching every snap

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Speaker 1: Caleb takes less sacks, higher passer rating lead the NFL

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Speaker 1: in big plays. Can be a little clunky, but it's good.

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Speaker 1: There's no question. I'll say this.

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Speaker 2: It's going to work.

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Speaker 1: It's just how unrealistic are the critics this week? Ravens,

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Speaker 1: that is a test and I believe Lamarro play.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next.

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Speaker 1: You make big money, people want big results.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 8: and Noone Easter nine Amphus BNBA story.

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Speaker 1: Chauncey Billups is involved in the poker part of the

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Speaker 1: indictment Terry Rozier in the basketball part. The poker indictment

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Speaker 1: includes X ray machines built into tables to read face

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Speaker 1: down cards, contact lenses and glasses that read pre mark cards,

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Speaker 1: secret cameras, and card trays.

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Speaker 2: This is high tech stuff.

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Speaker 1: And remember legalization of gambling didn't create this. It exposes

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Speaker 1: it didn't create it. It's been going on forever. So

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm for finding all the bad actors and keeping

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Speaker 1: our sports some sanctity in our sports and some purity

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Speaker 1: to it. But legalized gambling, you're gonna get all the Puritans,

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Speaker 1: you know, rushing to tell you see, this is what

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Speaker 1: happens when you legalize gambling. Yeah, what about the Boston

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Speaker 1: College nineteen seventy scandal, Tim donaghy. It didn't create this stuff,

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Speaker 1: it's exposing it. Transparency is not a flaw, this is

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Speaker 1: a credit. We want this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I want to.

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Speaker 1: I saw this this morning. Nick Saban apparently this weekend,

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Speaker 1: was defending James Franklin, and he went out and he said,

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Speaker 1: it's unfair what they're doing to Billy Napier, and it's

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Speaker 1: unfair what they're doing to James Franklin. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: fired James Franklin either, because he won thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Games last year.

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Speaker 1: But in any business, the more the bigger that business gets,

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Speaker 1: including college football, the more pressure and the more pressure

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Speaker 1: to win quickly. And everybody keeps telling me, well, the

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Speaker 1: players are making big money. Now, that's made it harder. Well,

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Speaker 1: the coaches are also making nine, ten to eleven million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year, win more games faster. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: fired James Franklin, but he did go four and twenty

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Speaker 1: one against top ten teams and a one in fifteen

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Speaker 1: against top five teams.

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Speaker 2: You gotta win more of those games. Apier.

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Speaker 1: It was time Billy Napier lost to South Florida. If

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Speaker 1: you're at the University of Florida, you can't lose to

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Speaker 1: directional schools in Florida. He was also a guy had

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Speaker 1: a worse record he's in year four than Dan Mullin,

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Speaker 1: who got whacked. So again, I hear about, oh, the

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Speaker 1: players making money. Do you know what the average player

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Speaker 1: in college football makes? Less than ten thousand dollars. The

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Speaker 1: coaches are making that by lunch on Monday. Okay, coaches

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Speaker 1: are making ten million dollars and eleven million dollars beat

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Speaker 1: good teams. If you coach Penn State, you can't go

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Speaker 1: four in twenty one against top ten teams. You gotta

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Speaker 1: be closer to five hundred. I'm not saying you have

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Speaker 1: to do a Saban or a Pete Carroll at LSU.

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Speaker 1: You can't go four in twenty one, can't go one

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Speaker 1: in fifteen against top ten teams. So the bigger the money,

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Speaker 1: the bigger the expectations.

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Speaker 2: More is more.

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Speaker 1: You get more money, players get more money, there's more pressure.

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Speaker 2: You gotta win more games. More is more.

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Speaker 1: And with that, Chris sim Is joining US former Texas

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Speaker 1: Longhorn quarterback eight years in the NFL. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: look at Texas and Sark. I think he's safe. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a great coach. But you know that school

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Speaker 1: arch has struggled. Do you think Sark's feeling heat at Texas?

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Speaker 3: Well, he's feeling heat because of the expectations. I mean

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Speaker 3: maybe the number one team in the country. They spent

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Speaker 3: a lot of money on anil to emphasize that, and

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Speaker 3: of course they have a quarterback that everybody thought was

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Speaker 3: going to be the number one pick in the draft. Right,

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Speaker 3: So he's feeling the heat just because, Hey, that's a

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Speaker 3: major program and it's the biggest thing in the city

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Speaker 3: of Austin, and it's almost like an NFL team as

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Speaker 3: far as the attention it gets from a big city.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think he has to worry about, like

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Speaker 3: feeling the heat as far as job security that I

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Speaker 3: don't think, No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, USC four years in offense is snazzy and fun.

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Speaker 1: Defense isn't physical consistently can't run road games in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten. Do you think there should be heat on

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley today?

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Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred percent. I never really understand that marriage there.

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley does not seem like a Southern cal Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles type of guy. I do believe help or that

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Speaker 3: helps in the college football setting a little bit, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't. And then the course, like to your point,

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, it's fun, wow, great passing yards, but

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Speaker 3: what's that mean.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 3: They're not capable of playing, Like you said, Big ten

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Speaker 3: football defense is a little bit better this year, but

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Speaker 3: certainly nothing special, right and yet I've seen nothing or

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Speaker 3: no inkling so far to go ooh, watch out. They

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Speaker 3: got a ton of talent coming up the pipes here.

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Speaker 3: I know the recruiting class next year is supposed to

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Speaker 3: be pretty good, but come on, it's USC. You know,

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Speaker 3: Colin Forever, if there was ten good players in the

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Speaker 3: state of California, you were like, well, the top nine are.

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Speaker 2: Going to USC.

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Speaker 3: If there was fifteen on the West Coast, you were like, well,

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Speaker 3: thirteen of them are going to the USC. That's not happening,

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Speaker 3: so that would concern me.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. I've watched every game, almost every game they've played,

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Speaker 1: and my takeaway is the defense is too good for

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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of college offenses.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they'll do to in the end.

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Speaker 2: It's just too fast.

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Speaker 1: The windows you're allowed to throw in against them are

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Speaker 1: NFL windows.

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Speaker 2: They're tiny little windows. What do you see? I see that.

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Speaker 3: I think Ohio States the best team in college football.

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Speaker 3: I don't really think it's close, all right, because of

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Speaker 3: what you said. The talent, right, Matt Patricia has brought

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Speaker 3: that defense to a different stratosphere with some NFL concepts

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Speaker 3: and things where I think a lot of college football

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Speaker 3: is like, WHOA, what the hell is this coverage? I

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Speaker 3: don't know what to do. I think that's part of

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Speaker 3: Texas's problem. I think that this defense put out a

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Speaker 3: few ways of how to defend that offense, and people

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Speaker 3: have copied that a little bit. But yes, between that

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Speaker 3: and Colin, here's the other aspect. We know. The offense

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Speaker 3: is awesome. The quarterback, the receivers, the running back, all

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Speaker 3: of that. Their running game is legit. They haven't even

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Speaker 3: had to be creative in a game. Yet they're literally like,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna run here, and then they run here, They're like,

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah's here, he's gonna be open, We're gonna throw to him.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think they've even had to like dive

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Speaker 3: deep into the pipe book as far as creativity to

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Speaker 3: this point.

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Speaker 1: Yet, finally, you know, quarterback? Who is the best college

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Speaker 1: quarterback you've seen?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: This past week against SC Carr didn't play well. Who

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Speaker 1: have you seen? Is it enoughs Meyer or Dante Moore?

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Speaker 1: Is it Mendoza?

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Speaker 2: Who do you like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. Mendoza

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Speaker 3: certainly catches my eye. Dante Moore to me looks like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if it's ready for him

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Speaker 3: to come out this year, but he certainly has top

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Speaker 3: ten type of talent to me in the draft. Same

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Speaker 3: with Fernando Madus Mendoza. Jaydon Mayaba of USC's really talented.

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Speaker 3: The best quarterback though I've seen this year is Ty

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Speaker 3: Simpson of Alabama. When I talk about big throws, pushing

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Speaker 3: the ball down the field, throwing the ball into tight windows,

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Speaker 3: all that, I'm going to give him the belt right now.

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Speaker 2: But there is a lot of good college football players.

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Speaker 3: I like neus Meyer Colin, but he has not looked

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Speaker 3: the same as last year. And I've heard and I

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Speaker 3: know he's kind of battling through some injuries. I think

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Speaker 3: he's got a little oblique issue there all together. But

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Speaker 3: for my money right now, it would be Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 1: Yeap, Kaylin de Boor did it with Michael Pennix after

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Speaker 1: those injuries. Right, there's no question the coach always helps

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Speaker 1: with a quarterback. It could be Bo Nicks or Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: Kaylin de Boor and Ty Simpson. Chris Sims on a

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Speaker 1: rush day for us because of a little story that

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Speaker 1: broke between the FBI and the NBA. Chris is, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's great seeing you.

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Speaker 3: Good seeing you, buddy, have a good one. Enjoy the weekend,

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Speaker 3: all right, man?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 1: So his dad a couple of weeks ago on the show,

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Speaker 1: Chris Simms today thoughts on Cooper flag Greg co Sell

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Speaker 1: on a Thursday, This is not.

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Speaker 2: Your typical Thursday in the herd.

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Speaker 1: We led with something we hope not to lead with

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Speaker 1: ever again, not a great day for Adam Silver in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Don't accusations, don't know what to make poker

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Speaker 1: NBA problems, greg Co Soman,