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Speaker 2: This is for the streets, the real, the reilroading, the distenfranchised,

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Speaker 1: Y'all ghetto boys in the house back with another episode

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Speaker 1: of information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,

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Speaker 1: beautiful world in the studio, unapologetic, unfiltered, unadulterated, smackwater everything else.

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Speaker 3: Because like my my homie Nail said, outside, they say,

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Speaker 3: you know, anything attached to you. The Ghetto Boys brand,

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Speaker 4: But you know, and who are these people?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's just different people all over man.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got to got all these internet influencers.

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Speaker 4: By things that happened in Houston.

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Speaker 3: You know, they put a whole career in everybody's hand.

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Speaker 1: Will it right?

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Speaker 1: Man, Let's go back to where it all began. Your

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Speaker 4: That's where the name come from. Acres Homes down.

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Speaker 3: That's how solid he is. Turn Turner is a different

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Speaker 3: Turner is a world renowned pimp. Yeah, yeah, turn of

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Speaker 4: He was pimping. Now he was a pimp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, stump down pimp. He had women who

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Speaker 3: He managed all Muhammad I leave before before the Muslims

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Speaker 3: Don King shot skates under under Robert Turner. Robert Turner

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Speaker 3: Man Turner was a bad dude. Man, super bad dude,

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Speaker 1: So, so, how how did you well, I know how

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Speaker 3: One of my most proudest hip hop moments wasn't even

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Speaker 4: It was to do with y'all.

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Speaker 3: The day that me and my brothers saw y'all as

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Speaker 3: When it comes to hip hop, the only my top

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Speaker 4: But Rock Kim is my number one.

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Speaker 3: He influenced me more than anybody, but right up under Rock, Chemists,

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Speaker 3: Ghetto Boys, three, NWA four, Public Enemy five Tupac.

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Speaker 3: But and I know they be like record sales, hit

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Speaker 3: To me, the Ghetto Boys is the greatest group out

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Speaker 3: of the South. Not because you're from Houston, not because

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Speaker 3: song content. What y'all said, y'all said the most import Gordon.

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Speaker 3: No group has spoken like the Ghetto Boys has spoken

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that, man, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: This is your hip hop top five Top five shout

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Speaker 3: out to my dude Caleb Israel to Guard, my brother

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Speaker 3: who I wrote it.

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Speaker 1: With, Give me the give me the short.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know everybody always talking about the top five

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Speaker 3: wrote that book in two thousand level we met in

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Speaker 4: This is you and Caleb Israel Guard be on.

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Speaker 3: The back, okay, and so we wrote that while we

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Speaker 3: was on lock Yeah, you know it's on Amazon. You

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Speaker 3: can go get it on Amazon, How will is it selling? Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, anything takes a marketing strategy and a marketing plan,

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Speaker 3: you know, and we didn't. We just typed it up

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Speaker 1: It does give me party vibes because you got on here,

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Speaker 4: Four things you should never talk about with a friend.

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Speaker 1: And I get the others, but why should you talk

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Speaker 4: WI break a friendship up if not break it up

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Speaker 1: That's true because people have different tastes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. If you tell me something that is dope, but

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Speaker 1: I say, man, I'm not gonna tell you about how

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Speaker 1: Damn sure you heard all about this, but you probably

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Speaker 4: That's what that book is about.

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Speaker 3: That's why that Billboard fifty list caused such a stir

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Speaker 3: A ten million dollar word ain't worth ten cents, man, Hum,

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's the catalog his it's his catalog

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Speaker 4: Little boys reloaded podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Well, she right back after the Spreek.

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Speaker 4: Watch this, Willie So.

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Speaker 3: And I've told this before, but my grandmother, Big Mama,

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Speaker 4: She she here turned that up. You know that jam.

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Speaker 3: So one day I'm in the room and I'm jamming pok,

438
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 3: I'm jamming me against the World album or she bus saying.

439
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: I say, big, that's the same dude that seemed their mama.

440
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: She say what I say, Yeah, that's Tupac.

441
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: Turn it up.

442
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 4: She stopped.

443
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: Oh I like that.

444
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: Now it's digestible because you you you he said something

445
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 3: that resonated with your spirit. And there's no way that

446
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: somebody that made this can make something that's not worthy,

447
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: even though it's not speaking directly to something that's close

448
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: to my heart. But I know if he able to

449
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: make this that anything else he says got to have

450
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: some value.

451
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: That's a damn good point, bro, That is a damn

452
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: good point. Soundtrack to Revolution. Soundtrack to the Revolution. Very

453
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: interesting cover. How did you come up with this idea

454
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: for the cover?

455
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: Oh? Me and my boy cardeal own an operator of

456
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: one of.

457
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: The biggest music pages in the city, Music Monopoly or

458
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: tap in with him. Man, he always gonna have some

459
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: good stuff on that. He posts a lot of Ace

460
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: Town stuff. He put our our culture on the forefront

461
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: a lot along with other stuff.

462
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 4: He's a real hip hop head. But we was on

463
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: the phone talking one day.

464
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: It was during the George Floyd debacle and everything else

465
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: that was transpiring, because it was just back to back

466
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: to back to back, and were talking and we was like, man,

467
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: somebody got it, and we looking at hip hop and

468
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: everything was still party and money and drugs, and it

469
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: just didn't make any sense because the hip hop we

470
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: grew up with it was it was it was news,

471
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 3: it was CNN, it was it gave you something. It

472
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: spoke on the condition of us as a community, as

473
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 3: a people. You know, it provided us with something to

474
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: you know, aspire to some you know, for more and

475
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: so and I was like, man, we need we need

476
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 3: like a soundtrack to the revolution.

477
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 4: And he was like, man, that's hard. And I'm like

478
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: he was like, man, that'll be a dope title. And

479
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: we just went the building. We were like, man, we

480
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 4: need to do an album. And so it's a collaboration.

481
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 3: I put it up against the Chronic and that's the

482
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: greatest to me, that's the greatest produced album in the

483
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: history of hip hop, the Chronic. Like, sonically, nothing can

484
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: come close to the Chronic, but the subject matter that

485
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: it's it's a beautiful thing. Man, it's a beautiful album.

486
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: I got a gang of artists on Now, pow Wow

487
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: or Me and pow Wow. Got a song on Now

488
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: and or Me and pow Wow song. I can't even

489
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: remember the name of it, or I can't. It slips

490
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: me at the moment. But it's a beautiful album, man.

491
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: And anytime, like with what happened in New York City

492
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: with the dude getting choked out on the subway, you

493
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, it's time for that album. Anytime

494
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 3: if you listen to it, and anytime that something then

495
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: happens in the world where we need to stand up

496
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: for something, you will definitely pop it in man, because

497
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: it's that.

498
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: It's that, that's what that is.

499
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: For those of you who cannot see, those of you

500
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: who are listening their audio. Uh, this cover soundtrack to

501
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: The Revolution has a depiction of what put it like this.

502
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: Imagine someone in an all black eye fit with the

503
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: black panther, you know I fit with the gloves, and

504
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: they're holding up a fist. Now take the body out

505
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: and that's what you see, the garment, you know, the

506
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: out Yeah, you see, Yeah, there is a silhouette that

507
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: So that's what you see. It's dope. It's dope.

508
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: And you know why I came up with that, because

509
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: I wanted everybody to know that the revolution doesn't have

510
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 3: a color, it doesn't have a face.

511
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: So so the revolution you actually this was your conceptualized art.

512
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: Is that? But my potnerg he the one who took

513
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: my idea and I told him exactly what I wanted

514
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: and my partner t g the natural disaster. He the

515
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: one who brought it to life. Here dope, he do

516
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: dope graphics. As you can see your Instagram be popping. Broa,

517
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: what's your Instagram Smackwater, underscore anything, Smackwater seven ninety because

518
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: you know I'm on my six and seven Instagram page

519
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: right now. Okay me Boozy, Freddie Gibbs, you know Reza

520
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: is long.

521
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: They give us the blues.

522
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they's typically gonna give you the blues if you

523
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: if you're real with it, you're gonna catch hell. But

524
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: the Instagram be popping, and you often you talk about

525
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: interesting and uh uh interesting topics that are usually current

526
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: event stuff sometimes but it's usually current event. But at

527
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day, a lot of the stuff

528
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: that you talk about is just real stuff that's going on,

529
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: but you do it in a comedic way. Having said that,

530
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: you're very very sharp, dude. I know, as people have

531
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: been listening, they can tell how sharp you are.

532
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 3: I went to college on the full academic scholarship. Every

533
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: college in America wanted me. But see they didn't. They

534
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: tried to send me to a psychologist because they didn't

535
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: know if I was insane or was I just that smart.

536
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Well, usually say the called genius is insane. But to

537
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: that point, do you ever, like do you ever get

538
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: offended when somebody, somebody that don't really know you and

539
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: don't know your depth might think that you just are

540
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: some regular dumb nigga on in and there talking shit.

541
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: No, because just today I've seen somebody left for comment

542
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: about the post I've done about the government. Won't love

543
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: patriots because patriots follow a country blindly and never question

544
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: the ethics and morals or the government or the people

545
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: that's controlled and control of the establishment.

546
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: He's gonna like, you sound like a clown. You don't

547
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: know what you're talking about.

548
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: And I told him, I say, since you benefit from

549
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: it and it don't affect you, you don't care. So

550
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: that's why I say, now you the clown, because when

551
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: when something as long as it benefits you and it

552
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: don't affect you in a negative way, it's good.

553
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: But I hear that because I've heard you. I've heard

554
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: you speak intellectually also, But you you also have some

555
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: clips where you kck ass nickel. You hear something like

556
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: that and you be like, who is this dude? Man,

557
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: what is this dude talking about? And it's easy to

558
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: dismiss you, but you're gonna miss in the next video.

559
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna miss something.

560
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: So you know, I I rarely tell people this, really,

561
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: especially on camera, and I don't. I don't think I've

562
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: ever done any podcast where I've told anybody this on camera.

563
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: You do it on purpose, That's what you're meant to say.

564
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you tho. I'm gonna give you the

565
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: perfect analogy, something that I realized about us. Because anything

566
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: I do it for the betterment of society. But I

567
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: gotta got yeah, and I gotta reach us, and I

568
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: gotta I gotta make sure that my house is in order.

569
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: Befolk I can worry about I can't pay my neighbors

570
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: life bill when my rent is do. So you know,

571
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: I got something. I call it the airplane effect.

572
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if they probably got a scientific term

573
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: or something that they really call it that they go by, but.

574
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: I call it the airplane effect.

575
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: I say, it's like trying to feed a baby Pease,

576
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: as long as you try to jug that spoon in

577
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: that baby mouth is gonna turn it head and fight.

578
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: But as soon as you go, they're gonna be following

579
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: us moll trying to get to it.

580
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is us. That's why I wanted to

581
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: talk to you.

582
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 5: Man.

583
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to talk to you because I

584
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: saw it. Yeah, I saw it. I be watching your video.

585
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: This is us, that's us.

586
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: You gotta make the airplane sound for us.

587
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

588
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Oh, man, I say, Man, I love it when I

589
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: hear but I heard man. Man. So do you have

590
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: you have kids?

591
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah? One a daughter?

592
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: You got daughter?

593
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: Hold theys is twenty about to be twenty seven, twenty

594
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: what this is ninety? This is twenty three, she's about

595
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: to be twenty six.

596
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: You got a close relationship?

597
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: Off and on?

598
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, off and on because she You know, everybody feeling

599
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: like they deserve a trophy is a problem with society, man,

600
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: And they can't like I can make I can, they

601
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: always say, and they say, it's proven through through science

602
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: and through numbers that six degrees of separation is real.

603
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: That you could get from any from this point to

604
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: this point within six degrees, which what that means is

605
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: I could get I could connect Willie D to Mount

606
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: Rushmore within six moves.

607
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: It matters what it be. Willie D.

608
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: Mama went to this school. Her classmate was married to

609
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: this person. The person that they was married to went

610
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: to this college. Their professor taught here, The dean of

611
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: that professor, the dean of that college went and visited

612
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore six moves.

613
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 4: Okay, that's what six degrees or separation is. And they

614
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: say that you could.

615
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: Get from n from at one point anything you name

616
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 3: an ant a brick. That's what the theory of relativity

617
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: is like that everything is in the universe is related.

618
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Isn't that distance shortened by the advent off the internet?

619
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: Possibly? Possibly?

620
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: But before the Internet, that was that was a thing

621
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: sixth like you could get from this to this within

622
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: six six moves on the chessboard.

623
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: You can get from here to here? Right be it?

624
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: If you know that the details of what's going on,

625
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: that it is something that connects this to this within six.

626
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: Points of origin, you know? So? Or And.

627
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: Like I said, man, everybody feeling like they should be

628
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: a winner and deserve something even for when you lose

629
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: is a problem in society. And I could connect, I

630
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: could show you how that.

631
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: Is right along. It runs parallel with all these mass

632
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 4: shootings and everything.

633
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: Are are you saying that, I want to make sure

634
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm not reading you wrong. Are you saying that that

635
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: a mother thinks she deserves a trophy? For raising her.

636
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Now now I'm talking about my daughter is affected by

637
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: the mentality of society this everybody is a winner. Nobody

638
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: needs their feelings hurt or sacrifice the truth for somebody's feelings, don't.

639
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: I don't sacrifice the truth for anything. I don't sacrifice

640
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: the truth for my own betterment.

641
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: So you're saying that in relation to counsel culture.

642
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, everybody is. And my daughter fills writ in

643
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: that category. And she's sensitive about things she don't like.

644
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: Everything that I say to her is an attack to her.

645
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: And it's not because I give you one of my

646
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: most vital organs that will take my life in order

647
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: to see you live and thrive and be better.

648
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: I would never attack you.

649
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: If I tell you something, it's because it's out of love,

650
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: or I see something that we fell out because we

651
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: got bad genetics in my family. Like I've watched three

652
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: generators I turned. I've been a vig junior to make

653
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: three years since I've been vegan. I sat and watched

654
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: three generations die because of health. So I'd be a

655
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 3: fool to sit up and follow what I just seen

656
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: three generations go through. You got to be a fool man,

657
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: So I changed my diet, and you know I always exercise,

658
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: but I got hurt at my job.

659
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: I'm in a carpenter's union.

660
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: Shout out to the five five to one Carportre's junion

661
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: right here in ace time, or and all my brothers

662
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: in the carpenter's junion.

663
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 4: I know they gonna love it, man, you know I

664
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 4: love y'all.

665
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: H But so they a big eight foot wooden structure

666
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: fell on me, told my knee up. I had to

667
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: get my knee fully replaced. So I was out of

668
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: work for a year, you know, recovering, recuperating, and right

669
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: when I'm getting ready to get up to store or

670
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: doing or recovery and all this.

671
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 4: Here and therapy, COVID hit. COVID hit.

672
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 3: That was a year and what three months, I guess,

673
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: so or I had laid I put on some weight, man,

674
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: because the gym, I couldn't work out one year because

675
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: of my knee. Then I was out of the gym

676
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: another year and three months because of COVID.

677
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: I had got fat. Man. I was out of that

678
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 4: because I'm just laid up eating and I worked out

679
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: every day.

680
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: So once the gym did open back up March seventeenth,

681
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: I'll never forget the day when they lifted the mandate

682
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: on us. The first place I went was to the gym.

683
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: My gym had completely closed down. I looked through the window.

684
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 3: Everything was gone. It was a phone sitting on the ground.

685
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 3: But they were still taking money out of my account.

686
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: I hurry up, called hey, man, I'll been taking money

687
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: out of my account even during.

688
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: COVID, and ain't not even in the gym.

689
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: Man, y'all gonna stop this right now, man so or

690
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: But once I got back into the gym after COVID lifted,

691
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't get the weight off of it.

692
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: Man.

693
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: So I was like, man, this is dangerous. My pops

694
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: died during COVID. You know what I'm saying, because he,

695
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: like my grandfather, had heart heart conjecture. He had a

696
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: whole bunch of diabetes, high blood pressure, heart conjecture, and

697
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: a couple more things. Man, I say, no, Man, I

698
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: gotta because I went to the gym every day. But

699
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: the weight wasn't coming off. And you know when, I

700
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: don't know how the biggest you ever been with it,

701
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: But whenever you walking upstairs and got a stop stop

702
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: stop in the middle of your flight up the stairs,

703
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: or whenever you in the morning it's uncomfortable to bend

704
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: over and tie your shoes or you got a little

705
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: female and you know what I'm saying, And hey, man,

706
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: get on top money, you know. Yeah, but I was,

707
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: I was to that point, you know what I'm saying.

708
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 3: So I was like, man, I gotta do something and

709
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: smoking loud.

710
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: You're looking around like where where did it go?

711
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

712
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: It went to COVID and to that, to that accident

713
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 3: I had at work. And so what had happened between

714
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: me and my daughter because I since she was a kid,

715
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: I've been letting her know, man, like you got to

716
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: be active.

717
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: Man. You can't just you can't just lay around, man,

718
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 4: because when you get older. Man.

719
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: You know, my grandfather, my grandmother lost her leg. My

720
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: grandmother before her had diabetes real bad. You know what

721
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, you got to do something. So I

722
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: seen something by some health online and I sent it

723
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: to her and she took it.

724
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: As an attack on her. You're trying to call me fat, So.

725
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: So that's that's what and so that's where she she

726
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: stopped communicating.

727
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah for a while.

728
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: So let me let me share something with you. And

729
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate you sharing that because I know

730
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: it's a sensitive topic, but you know what we do here,

731
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: but it's honest. But yeah, but that's what I try

732
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: to the whole objective of this podcast is to give

733
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: people information and instructions to help them navigate through this wild, crazy,

734
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: beautiful world. That's what it's really about.

735
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: And so.

736
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: I can one thousand percent relate to what you just

737
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: said because I had a similar situation with my daughter.

738
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: My daughter is very sensitive also, And it's kind of

739
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: crazy because my daughter is a lawyer, and you would

740
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: think lawyers got to be hard and always, but she's

741
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: still very much in touch with her femininity. She's a woman,

742
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, and she's you know, she's she's sensitive about

743
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: certain things. And so I had to learn how to

744
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: talk to my daughter in the tone that she can receive,

745
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: not how I felt like. I had to say it

746
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: because I am who I am.

747
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: I gotta stop being so stubborn.

748
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am who I am, and I like people

749
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: love to say, well, that's just how I am, that's

750
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: just how that's a crutch. You have to be people

751
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: where they are, and so I had to learn how

752
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: to talk to my daughter in a more sensitive way,

753
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: and and I have to think about what I'm saying

754
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: that I make sure I'm saying it the right way.

755
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I can't just talk any kind of way because I don't.

756
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to ever have a relationship with my

757
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: daughter that's stand offish or that's my daughter like you know,

758
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: it's one thing for me to know no man is

759
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: going to ever love her like I'm gonna love her,

760
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: protect her like I will. But it's a whole other

761
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: thing that she knows that.

762
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 4: So I have to that hit hard.

763
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: So I have to I have to make her so

764
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: I have to make sure that she always understands that.

765
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: And I don't plant seeds of doubt. She needs to

766
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: always know I can count on this, man, I can

767
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: count on this man.

768
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: I guess I gotta change my approach man, because I

769
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: want the same thing between me and my daughter.

770
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: And it's my fear is the fault is in her.

771
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: It's mine, you right, I got it because it shouldn't

772
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: be in it because she know, like, ain't nothing you

773
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: can't call me for it, can't get out of me

774
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: or get from me. You know what I'm saying, even

775
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 3: when you know you in the room, Man, she hurt

776
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: my feelings, man, And you really hurt my feelings when

777
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: you play with my money. And she got down on me. Man,

778
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 3: she got down on me one time. Man, hurt my feelings.

779
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: But you know that's my daughter and I you know.

780
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: Girl boys reloaded podcast.

781
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: We break back after this week. Sometimes also you have

782
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: to use their mother or their friends to reach them

783
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: because they're going to be more receptive. And perhaps you

784
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: know you critique a little too often.

785
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: No, I don't.

786
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: I don't even do any critique, and I just try

787
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: to share information and even something.

788
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: But if you share information, because I share information with

789
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: my daughter too, and certain things I already know if

790
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in it to her, perhaps she's gonna look

791
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: at it like what you're trying to correct my behavior?

792
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: You know why? So I have to be cognizant of

793
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: just like when you send a text messages have no emotions,

794
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: and whatever mooved.

795
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: The person is is in, that's receiving it. That's what moved.

796
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 4: They're gonna read the text in and that's.

797
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: How they So when you send a text message, you

798
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: have to be very very intentional about how you want

799
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: it to be received, almost like you know you're sending

800
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: it to a person you never met before, how would

801
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: they receive it? You got to take the wigger room

802
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: out of it. It's kind of like giving advice. If

803
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: you're doing an advice column, you take the wiggle room

804
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: out because they're coming for you. You got people, You

805
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: got people that read advice columns and they listen to

806
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: podcasts just so they can hear you say something wrong,

807
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: something that's inconsistent or something, or you leave out something

808
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: so they can come in and yeah, pounds on. You

809
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: see that he ain't as smart as y'all think. Years.

810
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why y'all listening.

811
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 5: To him and spell everything else based on this one

812
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 5: consist of one.

813
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: So you take the wigger room out so that a

814
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: person can only see it that way. And if they

815
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 1: see it in a different way, it is to add

816
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: value to you to what you said, not take away.

817
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: So and I have to and I speak to my

818
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: son in a different tone, and you know, he look, man,

819
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: we're human beings. So all of us are sensitive to

820
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: some extent. So even with my son, I have to

821
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: talk to my son a different way. He receives things

822
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: he can He's not as sensitive as my daughter. When

823
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: I talk speak with him, but it's certain things I

824
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: just can't. You know, I gotta know that that's a trigger.

825
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: That's a trigger. And so if I I think that

826
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: we're good.

827
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: And that you got you gotta excuse me because I

828
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: gotta at least say it one time, because if I don't,

829
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: everybody that tune in, they're gonna be like tuned in

830
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: and head one time. But my daughter, but I do

831
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: enjoy triggering people, and so not intentionally to trigger her,

832
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: but since that's my nature, yeah, you know, And and

833
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: I might be oblivious to the fact that I am

834
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: doing stuff to trick because she liked to use all

835
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: the millennial terms and that irks me. You be gased

836
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: like me that the what did you saying? And I'll

837
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: be talking to you because everything I say to you

838
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: is out of love. I would never say anything to

839
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: harm you, or anything to hurt you, or tell you

840
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: anything to put you.

841
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 4: In any kind of harm's way. Never.

842
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: Ain't no way you could think that. Ain't no way

843
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 3: you could sit here and think that I'm doing something

844
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: to cause any kind of stress, strain or problem in

845
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 3: your life.

846
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: But if somebody tells you that you did something or

847
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: you said something that caused them trauma, They caused them uh, anxiety. Uh,

848
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: then you have to if you really care about that relationship,

849
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: then you have to trust that that's how they feel,

850
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: that's how they feel. It ain't about how I feel

851
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: about what I said. It's about how they received it,

852
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: how they feel about it. So you have to feelidate us.

853
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: If it was up to her, I'd be singing Mary Popping.

854
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: Songs the same Mary Popping songs to your daughter. Ain't

855
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: that bad man?

856
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: You know?

857
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: As long as they know that you're that, as long

858
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: as they know that you love them, you know, like, man,

859
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm a total different man around my daughter.

860
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: That's how it's a whole life.

861
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: Man.

862
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: She never seen rarely.

863
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: She might maybe instances, but she never seen the smack

864
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: that everybody else. Never, even when I was, you know,

865
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: in the streets, she never She never shut down everything

866
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 3: that I was doing on her behalf.

867
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: She never seen any of that. Pierre, Well, we.

868
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: As men, we don't have the luxury of our daughter's

869
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: going extended periods without our influence. We don't have that luxury,

870
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, Like it's too many people out there that

871
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: are you know, that are dangerous predators. It's too many people.

872
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: It's too many, it's too much, it's too easy. And

873
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: even though they may think they got it, they ain't.

874
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: They ain't got to figure it out like that. So

875
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: we just don't have that luxury. I remember, like when

876
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: my daughter was like maybe maybe fourteen thirteen, something like that,

877
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: she did something. I punished her, and she called herselfs

878
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna walk around the house, not speaking to me. Right,

879
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: she gonna walk around the house. He ain't gonna speak.

880
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: So what I did.

881
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: That's a broomstick in the back where we would grow up. Yeah, well, yeah,

882
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna walk around my house. And I walk past

883
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: me and I say nothing brought my tea leader would

884
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: have knocked you across.

885
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, perhaps that's why me and my tea lady

886
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: wasn't that close, because that's when my mama had done

887
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: something like that too. But I you know, when she

888
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: she walked around the house, try to call herself not speaking.

889
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: She go sit down on the sofa in another room.

890
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: I'll come right there and sit right by next to him.

891
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right up on the right up on yeah.

892
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: And then she'd go in the kitchen and be doing

893
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: something I go in the kitchen a like I'm looking

894
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: for something. I'm just looking. I'm just anything to be

895
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: close to her. And then I turned to her and

896
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: I remember one one day I turned to her and

897
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: I was like, and this isn't going for a long time.

898
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: This went on probably for like twenty four hours or so,

899
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: but maybe the second day I turned to her and

900
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: I said, this is just an example of what you're

901
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with for the rest of your life.

902
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: I ain't never going nowhere, no matter what happened.

903
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be there until I till he take me

904
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 4: up out of here.

905
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there. And they need to know that.

906
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: They need to know that they should never have to.

907
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: They just never second guessed that. And you know, sometimes man,

908
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: we just have to. Sometimes we're just gonna have to, like, uh,

909
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: like treat people how they want to be treated. You

910
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you know.

911
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: Or somebody asked me one time underneath my post because

912
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: like if you really follow me or something, you know,

913
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 3: because I'm an open book about aspects of my life.

914
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: So somebody left a comment one time. They was like, oh,

915
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: and I usually don't respond to comments a lot of

916
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: times I don't even read them because you know, because

917
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: once I say something, I stand on business. Whatever I said,

918
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: I meant it. It wasn't an accident. I don't have

919
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: to explain myself. Hopefully I gave it to you in

920
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: terms that you can understand. And or they was like,

921
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: you got a daughter. What if your daughter met a

922
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: man like you? And I say, man, I could only

923
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: wish she did because if she met a man like

924
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: if me, and he told her he loved it, I

925
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: would know he meant it, because I've never told a

926
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: female I love you and didn't mean it.

927
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: And they came now, female that I ever told you

928
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: that I ever been with that. I told that too.

929
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 3: They were that you're gonna add they were not. They

930
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, I felt loved by him. I know

931
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: he loved me. It was it wasn't It wasn't a

932
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that when he said he loved me,

933
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: he meant it. And so I could only wish that

934
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: she finds somebody that tells her he loves her and

935
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: actually mean it.

936
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah that's strong, that's strong. Yeah, I've never told a woman,

937
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: a female that I loved and didn't mean it either,

938
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't play with that.

939
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: No, no, I don't.

940
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: I don't tell females I DIDNET messed off a whole

941
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: lot of sexual relations in my life by being honest.

942
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: You ever regretted it?

943
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 4: No, I don't. I don't have you.

944
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever had that? That that one that got away?

945
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: That you said me? If I would have only lied,

946
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: I could have I could have got it. I could

947
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: have at least had sex with her. Let's be honest, man, I.

948
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: Love it. I don't like it.

949
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: I love it.

950
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 4: I love it, which ill kill you. I love it.

951
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

952
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, and me and

953
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: my ex had had a conversation one time because I

954
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: had to let her understand she didn't understand why I

955
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: was like I was to a certain degree. And I

956
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: told I say, integrity is high on my list of priorities.

957
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: Like what somebody say it, I don't care. But what

958
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: somebody says when I'm not around matters.

959
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 4: I don't care. But it matters.

960
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: For the simple fact that I don't want anybody speaking

961
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: ill of me around like I didn't done them something.

962
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 3: I want everybody to know that I was fair and

963
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: that I was honest, and that I was righteous, and

964
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: my intent was matters what took place or what happened,

965
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: Like I didn't unless I was just in the streets,

966
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 3: and that's what it was. But when I was dealing

967
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: with people and I told you something, you knew I

968
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: stood on principles, and you know I stood on morals

969
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: and ethics, and that what I said, I meant. And

970
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: if I say I'm slapping ship out of you matters

971
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: what happened after me slapping the ship out of you,

972
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: slapping the shit out of you?

973
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

974
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: Do you ever think that because of your unapologetic approach

975
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: on Instagram or in social media in general and in life,

976
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: that you sometimes miss opportunities?

977
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Isaiah Carey. Well, he say, and

978
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: I hopefully he see this here. And because I seen

979
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 3: him at all. That was Bunbee album released party at

980
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 3: Johnny Danes over there on Richmond, and he was coming

981
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: out the back and me, Cornell and Kid was together.

982
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 4: And Or and he was like smack.

983
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: That was that that release party. I think I went there.

984
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 4: I think I seen it up.

985
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was coming out the back and whatever.

986
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Isaiah was coming out the back or and we

987
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: was walking up. We was just getting there and we

988
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,959
Speaker 3: stopped and talk and I was like, when you're gonna

989
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: have me on Isaiah fact. He's like, I can't have

990
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: you on that smack. You're gonna say nigga? And I purposely,

991
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: purposely I said nigga.

992
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 4: I know how to talk. I had the trolling.

993
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: Wow, man, that's wild. Yeah, now we have to talk

994
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: to Isaiah. Man. I think Isaiah, we have to get

995
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: him to reconsider like Andre.

996
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if he watched his episode, if he look

997
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: at my ey don't I don't everything you want. You

998
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 3: got to understand about anything I post. I thought about

999
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: that that wasn't Yeah, yeah, I thought about everything I posted.

1000
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: I mulled over it. I'm a I'm a philosopher. I'm

1001
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: a real deep thinker. I stayed by myself. I'm comfortable

1002
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 3: with my own thoughts. I've been to the Penitankia five times.

1003
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Five times. Yeah, damn. What's the longest stint? You at

1004
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: the shortest?

1005
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 3: Oh, the shortest stint one year, two year sentence, eleven

1006
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: months and I've gone thirteen on paper.

1007
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, I got doe cases, low cases, d wr.

1008
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: Now every time that you got you caught a case.

1009
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: Were you guilty.

1010
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: Every time I went to the penitani. Let's see, right,

1011
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 3: I sold to the undercover the first time.

1012
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: You reflect, Yeah, full time.

1013
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 4: Yeah so that's good, that's good. Yeah I can't get

1014
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 4: around now, yeah, go ahead.

1015
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: But at what point did you say, Okay, this ain't it?

1016
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: And he said, man, I got to do something where

1017
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: I can be on the ground.

1018
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: You know what, in our honesty, or the first time

1019
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: I went, I got a second time, or second time

1020
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: I stayed out. The second time, I actually after the

1021
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: second time, I actually can Because everybody in a penitentia

1022
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: got pipe dreams. Everybody got a dream. Even the cats

1023
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: that I ain't never getting out, got a dream. They

1024
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: hope that by some miracle that something can happen and

1025
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: they could breathe free app at least once more.

1026
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 4: And they know that it ain't even possible.

1027
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: But it's still good to dream, you know, because without

1028
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: a dream, I might as well take this sheet and

1029
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 3: wrap it around the bars, you know what I'm saying.

1030
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: Without some kind of hope, it got to be something

1031
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: that's keeping a man alive that know, he's never getting

1032
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: out the penitantion, Like, what's the purpose of me?

1033
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 4: Even being here. If I'm never getting.

1034
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 3: Out, and I know I'm never one of my best

1035
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: partners in the penitentry Roy Man. And if anybody is

1036
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 3: on the walls and they locked up and they got

1037
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: a phone, and they're gonna be like, oh, Roy, smack,

1038
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: shout at you out.

1039
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: Roy was my dude.

1040
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: Man.

1041
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 4: Roy had double life, no parole.

1042
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: He or two white boys called him nigga back in

1043
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: sixty seven and he chopped them up and left their

1044
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: body in the woods. And Roy was just a cool

1045
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: old school cat, you know. And or I got a

1046
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: potner Kei Johanna out of or. He was from Pasadena, Pasadena, California.

1047
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 3: He had a I think key Man had forty five

1048
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 3: years if I ain't mistaken forty five ad But you

1049
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 3: know everybody, and Roy was a no nonsense type cat.

1050
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: Everybody knewing the ward knowing Roy. Somebody we was out

1051
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: there playing basketball one time and somebody follow the shit

1052
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: out of Roy, and the warden came out and asks

1053
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: Roy Man, you all right, you know what I'm saying, because.

1054
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 4: He ain't forty five I mean or double life no parole. Yeah, So.

1055
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: One time, and key Man knew he was because everybody

1056
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: used to be like man, why Roy? Because he didn't

1057
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: mess with nobody, but for some reason he loved the

1058
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: hell out of men. They'd be like, man, why Roy.

1059
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I don't know, Ry, just cool

1060
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: and they be like man. And one time I potted

1061
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 4: the key. Man pulled me to the side and say, hey, man,

1062
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 4: you know Roy got double life, no parole. I was

1063
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 4: like yeah, he said, all right, I was just pull

1064
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 4: in your coattail man. But one time, and I think

1065
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 4: I've told this before on the podcast, but one time

1066
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 4: Roy he was the ball, but on our wing. But

1067
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 4: he never cut nobody halt he was, but he was

1068
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 4: the ball. So one day I went in. Now I'm

1069
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 4: just chopping it up with him. So while we chopping,

1070
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 4: I said, Roy, man, shave me up. Man. We just

1071
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 4: that's my dude. Get in the chests.

1072
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: Man.

1073
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 4: So he shaved.

1074
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 3: We talking laughing, and so I see the dude when

1075
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: he walk up and stand in the doorway, you know,

1076
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 3: and Roy.

1077
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 4: Shaved me up. So I get up.

1078
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: I'm looking in the mirror, and so old boy sit

1079
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: down in the chair. Roy got a chair in the corner.

1080
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: He's sitting in the chair and we're still talking.

1081
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 4: I'm in the mirror. Old boy sitting in the chair,

1082
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 4: you know, like waiting on Roy.

1083
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 3: And Roy was like, man, what you doing? He was like, man,

1084
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: I'm waiting on my shave. Roy said, I go to

1085
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: clippers right there, and they were like, you gonna shave me.

1086
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: You just shaved him, and I seen what everybody was

1087
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: warning me about.

1088
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: Man. The man eyes went.

1089
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: Completely black and he looked at him and he say, nigga,

1090
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: your life don't mean nothing to me. My stomach impstin

1091
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: went to bubbling. I ain't had nomber two years, already

1092
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: got my parole. I say, ro, I gotta go take

1093
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: a shit. I ain't mess with Roy for about three weeks.

1094
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: One day I was walking by like I think I

1095
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: was head to wreck and Roy like, damn, man, you

1096
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: ain't even you ain't come holler at me, like what's up, Royal?

1097
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: You know, it had settled down because they what they

1098
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: was telling me. I was like, no, man, that man

1099
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: is a real live killer.

1100
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: So he he and that guy, they never mixed it up.

1101
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: It was just that it was just I don't know history.

1102
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: I just know that moment, you know what I'm saying.

1103
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: At that moment, they they the situation got dissolved.

1104
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 4: The barber shop. He ain't know Roy.

1105
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: Everybody on the phone. I told you I couldn't come.

1106
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: How that Roy when he got filed too hard on

1107
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: the basketball court. Everybody in here know everybody else that man?

1108
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: Where it was at the walls. Man, these dudes got

1109
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: so security numbers.

1110
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: Man. You talked about, you know, being in prison, but

1111
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: coming from a family, you know, you got a you know,

1112
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: a rich history of family in acres homes. You know

1113
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: what was it like with your your your mother and

1114
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: and what was your father like? You know, what was that?

1115
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: What was their reaction when you got popped just the first.

1116
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: Time My pop's been in a penitania my whole life.

1117
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: My pops was a street new Okay, he was a

1118
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: street cat Okay.

1119
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 4: Legendary street a legendary dope thingd.

1120
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: So what did he mostly go to jail for?

1121
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: Or aggravated? Were his last his last case.

1122
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what his previous cases was, cause he

1123
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: he's a four time loser. But his last case, he

1124
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: forty five bagar was a a robbery aggravated robbery.

1125
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: And when you first went to prison or did how

1126
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: did your what was the relationship like with your mom.

1127
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 3: What did she say, Well, my mom stiff man. You know,

1128
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: she don't call my house. You go to jail, don't

1129
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 3: call here. I ain't askering, I ain't sending my money,

1130
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 3: I ain't coming to visit.

1131
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, cause she she adn't seen this before.

1132
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: You know, it is what it is now.

1133
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 3: We at the ghettos man, seven ninety smackwater seven ninety.

1134
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: You know what seven ninety is.

1135
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 4: It's the ghettos. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1136
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: So it is what it is, man, I you know,

1137
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 3: or the relationship with me and my tea is is

1138
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 3: that relationship? But she told me that at fourteen, you know.

1139
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.

1140
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 3: But she at the same time, she knew who she

1141
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 3: laid down with. She know what, you know, the night

1142
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: the night I was conceived. Man, my pops, he stayed.

1143
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 3: He was a drug addict. He was he was respected,

1144
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: he was you know, he was a heroine head. He

1145
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 3: was one of the cats that when something new or

1146
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: hit the streets, they'll bring it to him because it

1147
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: wasn't nothing he wouldn't do. But he also shoot the

1148
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 3: shit out of you.

1149
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1150
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: So on the night that you would conceive. You was

1151
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: about to say your dad.

1152
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: What, Yeah, he was. My seed is a dope thing. Seed.

1153
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: I got an addictive personality because my seed is an

1154
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: addictive seed. That's why, you know, the only drug I've

1155
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: never done anything harder than PCP. But that's the only

1156
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 3: drug that I can't control.

1157
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 4: Like I don't.

1158
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: I could smoke weed today and won't smoke weed for

1159
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: two three years. I could pop a handleball and don't

1160
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 3: need a handlebar no more. I could have a drink

1161
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: and I don't need a drink. But that whole ass PCP.

1162
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: If I take that, that's I got a chemical romance.

1163
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: That's that's my drug or choice.

1164
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 4: That's my doc.

1165
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: How old was your was your daughter born when you

1166
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: first went to prison.

1167
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: I was in the county when she was born. A

1168
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: lot of man had I was. I was all innocent

1169
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: on that case, A law of man playing a.

1170
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 4: Dope on me.

1171
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: So did you beat the case?

1172
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: I had to plead I played out to all because

1173
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: by the time my daughter was about to be born,

1174
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: I had already done three months. Well I was right

1175
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: at three months in the county, and they gave they

1176
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: get you know, it was two for one, so they

1177
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: gave me six months and like I signed for the

1178
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 3: time and like ten days later I was getting out.

1179
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you what the cold part about

1180
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 4: that with Willie? This is some real shit.

1181
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to court and my lawyer pretty black or

1182
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 3: yellow with freckles, pretty black female man yellow with her.

1183
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 4: I'll never forget her.

1184
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 5: Man, she was gorgeous and or She told me she

1185
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 5: looked me in my face and say, we know the

1186
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 5: loss planet dope on you.

1187
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 4: I say, well, this here is a slam dump, she said,

1188
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 4: but they offering you.

1189
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: I said, hey, what is man?

1190
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 5: What is we talking about? God, you're gonna tell me

1191
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 5: you know the loss planet dope on me? But they

1192
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 5: offering me? Come on, man, what is what kind of

1193
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 5: make this make sense to me? I was and I

1194
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: when she told me that Willie I stood on business.

1195
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 5: I wasn't gonna take nothing.

1196
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: There ain't no way you're gonna look me in my

1197
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: She say, well, because you know our court system, so

1198
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 3: back that. Well, we can't sit it for trial. You're

1199
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: gonna have to sit in here for a year or more,

1200
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: maybe just to go to trial. Because I had the.

1201
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: Bun money, but I didn't want to spend the bun money.

1202
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: Did you have priors at that point?

1203
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had, I had, but I didn't have any

1204
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 4: dope cases or no, or I had a case.

1205
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: Now, I didn't have any felt that was my first felony.

1206
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: But when she told me that, you know what made

1207
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 3: me sign for that time? My baby mama. Now, yeah,

1208
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 3: my daughter had been born, and my baby mama bounced.

1209
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: Back, so goddamn fast, Willie.

1210
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: And my baby mama, my daughter probably had been born

1211
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 3: like two weeks and I had to go to court

1212
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: and my ain't lend my cousin Dina, and my baby

1213
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: mama came to court, and my baby mama had some

1214
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 3: black Colorado Rocky Mountain jeans. And when she walked up

1215
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: in that courtroom, everybody in the courtroom gasped, even the judge.

1216
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 3: And I told her, hey, man, come on with that.

1217
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: People made me sign for the time.

1218
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: That's some hell of a motivation right there. That's some

1219
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: hell of a motivation. So how old are you? How

1220
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: old is your daughter the last time that you end

1221
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: up in jail? How old is your daughter?

1222
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 4: Oh that was nine years ago?

1223
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: Hold up, yeah, that was that was because because I

1224
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: my grandma, my big Mama, who I was telling you about.

1225
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 4: She died and I ended up.

1226
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: My pops was real heavy in the system, all the

1227
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: wardens and stuff nor them. So I got to go

1228
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: to my grandmother funeral and they took me there and chains,

1229
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 3: even though I didn't want to go or and that's

1230
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 3: dangerous because she was when I walked into church, she

1231
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: was the first She was coming out the ladies' restroom

1232
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 3: with one of my little Kent folks.

1233
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 4: First person I seen.

1234
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: And it was amazing because when she looked at me,

1235
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 3: she didn't see the she didn't see the chains, she

1236
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 3: didn't see the lot the CEOs I was walking with,

1237
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 3: she didn't see none of that.

1238
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 4: Man. She lit up and I and I I felt

1239
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 4: like a failure.

1240
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1241
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: I ain't never tell anybody that I've never revealed that man,

1242
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 3: but I and any time I go to jail, I

1243
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 3: feel like I failed. But at that moment, when she

1244
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: even though as happy as I was to see how

1245
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 3: much she loved me, man, I felt I felt so

1246
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: insignificant man, and I felt so less than a man.

1247
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,919
Speaker 1: Did they allow her to touch you? Yeah?

1248
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 4: She ran up in hunting Damn man, that nigga that

1249
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 4: made me get vulnerable her.

1250
01:05:51,600 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: Hel Yes, heavy, that's heavy. That's the side of the

1251
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: game they don't tell you about. Now you know what

1252
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying about. I can tell you, man, I can

1253
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: tell your good father, bro, because I'm gonna tell you something.

1254
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 4: That way anytime I'm on the street.

1255
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: Man, she ain't no, ain't no way her baby mama, No,

1256
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: ain't they gonna tell you, man, ain't nothing. You can't

1257
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: call smack, you know, because my baby mama call me.

1258
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: I say yeah before either. I don't even know what

1259
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: the question is. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1260
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 3: When yeah, Man, you know no, I'm great. I'm not

1261
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: because I stand for mine. Man, that's mine, and i

1262
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: want everybody to know his mine. And I'm going to

1263
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: act the food behind mine.

1264
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: If you got to, if I got to there you go.

1265
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: Well man, I'm glad that that you do what you do, man,

1266
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: and as far as you know, sharing information and instructions

1267
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: to help the people navigate through this. Yeah, man, it's

1268
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: quick man talk again. Do it again. We can do

1269
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: it again.

1270
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 4: This was very enjoyed. Why Isaiah carry, I hope you

1271
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 4: see this, man, I ain't I ain't you know, I

1272
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 4: told him now, Man.

1273
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 3: I went to school on a full academic scholarship. Man,

1274
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 3: every college in America wanted me, will I could have.

1275
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 3: I ended up going to Priview because I was real militant,

1276
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 3: and you know, and that was I ain't gonna say

1277
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: it was a mistake, but it was a hard learned

1278
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: lesson because at that time PV. You know, PV had

1279
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 3: four straight administrations that got fired for stealing money from

1280
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 3: the from the school and from the students. And I

1281
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: was unfortunately caught up in one of those administrations. I

1282
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: had a full academic scholarship. They were supposed to pay

1283
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: for everything, but when I got there, they refused to

1284
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 3: pay for the books. And my tea lady bought they

1285
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 3: the first semester. When I told she, like, you got

1286
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 3: a food, they supposed to pay for it.

1287
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 4: I'm taking the note. I got the note, they say

1288
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 4: right here.

1289
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: So, so is that how you got into stealing books

1290
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: and selling them?

1291
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: You said that postal folk, I tell you, yeah, yeah,

1292
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 3: But that was that was that was being a poor

1293
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 3: college student not having any money.

1294
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 4: I regret that to this day. Man.

1295
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: When you first, when you first did it, did you

1296
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: just do it to get your books?

1297
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 4: And I had my books.

1298
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 3: That was being a poor college student not having any money,

1299
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: and I regret, Man, I don't I don't know who

1300
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,520
Speaker 3: personally books.

1301
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 4: I stole, man, But I think about that really, that

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Speaker 4: that really really really really weighs heavy on my spirit, man,

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Speaker 4: because I don't know who it is this situation.

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Speaker 3: Always, I always apologized to whoever because I wasn't the

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Speaker 3: only one doing it. I don't know exactly who I

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Speaker 3: did it to, but to whoever it happened to, man,

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Speaker 3: I really really apologize. That weighs heavy on my spirit

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Speaker 3: because because I like to take say what preview.

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Speaker 4: Did to me. But later on in life I realized, man,

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Speaker 4: I was I was a culprit.

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Speaker 1: Just like that school to the students that yeah, that

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Speaker 1: they did to the stud.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done the same thing. Yeah, how many times

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Speaker 3: you think you did it me personally? But we had

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Speaker 3: a whole crew.

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Speaker 1: But how many times do you think that I've done

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Speaker 1: it personally?

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Speaker 4: Three or four?

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Speaker 3: But collectively as as a as a group, you know,

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Speaker 3: because it was time. Now, I ain't gonna say fifty

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Speaker 3: it was. It was it was one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 3: the whole crew.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was six of us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know, four times six twenty four.

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Speaker 3: No three anywhere from eighteen to twenty four, because not

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Speaker 3: everybody and not everybody had the wherewithal and the and

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Speaker 3: the the gumption that others did within the you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, some was a little more, you know,

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Speaker 3: had to be co arthed or pushed, like, hey man,

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Speaker 3: you ain't gonna keep on just rocking and ride because

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Speaker 3: and the messed up part about it is, Man, I

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Speaker 3: ain't never even told this part, the messed up part

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 4: Man, we ain't. When the number got some alcohol and weed, Wow,

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Speaker 4: parted it off man, parted all people education off man. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know I and with this, with what

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Speaker 4: I do, man, I hope that I'm I'm.

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Speaker 3: Possibly sending some stuff right in the universe in my

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Speaker 3: life with other people. Hopefully I can inspire somebody else

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Speaker 3: to say stuff right, because I ain't. You know, I've

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Speaker 3: never claimed to be any kind of perfect individual, any

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Speaker 3: kind of angel, any kind of saint.

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Speaker 4: I just promised to be honest. That's all.

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Speaker 3: I'm not promise you anything except honesty. That's all I'm

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Speaker 3: promising you.

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Speaker 1: But that's all we're looking for, smack, and we appreciate.

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Speaker 3: You man, I appreciate you as well as and gentlemen

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Speaker 3: smack water Yeah, thank y'all.

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