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Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on

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Speaker 1: the fish on First podcast channel with me Eli Shusman,

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Speaker 1: Managing editor of Fish Stripes, covering your Miami Marlins every

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Speaker 1: day in our own way. This is the first post

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Speaker 1: opening day episode of the official show. Coming off a

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Speaker 1: very busy previous series Marlins dropping three out of four

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Speaker 1: on a bright spot, perhaps the brightest spots from that

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Speaker 1: opening series, and that is New Marlin's second baseman, Louis Rise,

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Speaker 1: performing exactly the way that the Marlins dreamed of when

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Speaker 1: they swung that big trade to get him. In advance

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Speaker 1: of the Marlins Versus Twin series with Pablo Lopez and

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Speaker 1: the conditions of that trade and the rippercussions, and of

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Speaker 1: of It. Right after this break, Louis Arrise his first

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Speaker 1: that includes a star studied pitching staff led off by

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Speaker 1: The early impressions of Luisa Rise's defense are nothing but positive.

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