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Speaker 1: So you probably saw and we will give you a

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Speaker 1: In a CNN interview and Politico story, Platner is weighing

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Speaker 3: So his he he was dating on and off a

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Speaker 4: I wanted to directly address the troubling, serious and false

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Speaker 4: allegations against me. Any accusation of non consensual behavior is

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Speaker 4: categorically false. Over the last ten months, I have been

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Speaker 4: deeply humbled by the faith maners have put in me.

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Speaker 4: You have welcomed me into your homes, into your places

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Speaker 3: So that was the news that was in his two

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Speaker 3: at this point that his campaign is effectively over. There's

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Speaker 5: I remember specifically him like grabbing at my chest and

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Speaker 5: I like hit his hand and I said, don't touch me.

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Speaker 5: And I remember that during the.

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Speaker 1: Altercation, basically he kept going.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was this weird mix of like coming

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Speaker 5: in and out of I don't think consciousness is a word,

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Speaker 5: but like coming to and kind of falling back into

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Speaker 5: that drunken but I don't know what I'm doing state

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Speaker 5: and yeah, and he just he would apologize in those

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Speaker 3: So he was aware that he was doing something wrong, Yeah, saying.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I feel like he was in moments.

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Speaker 4: Is there any.

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Speaker 3: Way that he thought this was consensual or no, just

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Speaker 5: Don't believe that you can think that that scenario was consensual.

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Speaker 5: You have to understand that that wasn't when somebody is repeatedly,

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Speaker 5: I mean, when somebody in the middle of it says,

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Speaker 3: You're not coming forward because you have any political motivation.

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Speaker 5: No, not at all. That was actually one of the

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Speaker 5: like that was a huge moral conflict to feel like.

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Speaker 3: Because you'd like a Democrat to be in the Senate. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the things that he speaks about. They're important,

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Speaker 5: They're important to people. I'm one of those people.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you feel he's

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Speaker 5: He's not being honest.

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Speaker 3: No, that y'all also offered some other details about how

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Speaker 5: Him and I were texting back and forth and he

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Speaker 5: had taken something that I said as an invitation and

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Speaker 4: But that's not consenting.

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Speaker 5: No, complying is not consenting.

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Speaker 6: Complying is letting him, is getting it over with so

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Speaker 6: that he didn't I don't I don't know what this

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Speaker 1: I don't you know.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody does, And even people you know

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Speaker 5: what they're capable of. And you were afraid for your safety, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Beyond not that rape isn't a horrific thing, but beyond.

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Speaker 5: Right, I didn't want to find out how unsafe I

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Speaker 5: could get that night, or how how harmed I could

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Speaker 5: be that night, So.

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Speaker 3: Soger, her allegation there is is pretty.

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Speaker 1: It's graphic.

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Speaker 3: It's graphic and very specific. So yeah, so effectively, she

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Speaker 3: says she reached out to him. He's maybe he's a

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Speaker 3: bar or whatever. He's obviously drinking. Whatever she said to him,

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Speaker 3: he took as an invitation to come over. She says, no, don't,

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Speaker 3: don't come over. Whether he saw that or not, he's

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Speaker 3: next thing, she knows, he's in her house.

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Speaker 1: Her house is unlocked. He shows up at her.

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Speaker 3: He just shows up.

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Speaker 1: She says, don't come here, right, he shouldn't be here, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then uh, and then she says she feels she's

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Speaker 3: he's so black out drunk looking that she feels afraid,

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Speaker 3: and so just she just complies, which Tapper then distinguishes

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Speaker 3: from consent. This so her version of the story. I

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Speaker 3: think as everybody hears it, everybody's like, yeah, that probably happened,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is really complicated, right, Like you

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Speaker 3: Yes that's true, but not all of them, in the

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Speaker 3: ones that liked him, have their they have their own

434
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Speaker 3: interests as well. The volunteers who are just there for

435
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Speaker 3: him and his movement, more particularly the movement and the

436
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Speaker 3: message that he's living, they were dropping very quickly. Put

437
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Speaker 3: this next elements. It's a six. This is from Nathan Bernard,

438
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Speaker 3: drop site reporter who's been covering the race for US

439
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 3: flagged a bunch of these. This is volunteered discuss Yes,

440
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: and like one person says, for instance, I don't necessarily

441
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: want Graham to win. I want his parentheses, our political

442
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: ideas to win. He is not coming back from this,

443
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 3: and we should find someone to carry the ideals now.

444
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Speaker 3: People can be flawed, This is the discord of the volunteers.

445
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: People can be flawed and become better, But hanging your

446
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Speaker 3: movement on the coattails of somebody credibly accused of sexual

447
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 3: assault is the exact thing we are trying to do

448
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 3: better than. Another person says, if this is all true,

449
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Speaker 3: I am obviously the most heartbroken for this poor woman

450
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Speaker 3: who lived through something no woman should ever have to endure.

451
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Speaker 3: But I'm also, to a lesser extent, heartbroken for all

452
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Speaker 3: the volunteers who believed in Graham, his message in his

453
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Speaker 3: campaign and really thought he was a vehicle for change.

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Speaker 3: And I'm ashamed I supported someone who could do something

455
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Speaker 3: like that. Again, waiting for more to come out and

456
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: not rush to a snap judgment. But this is my

457
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: gut reaction. Another person's Graham had great policies. I hope

458
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Speaker 3: someone whose characters character aligns with those policies steps up.

459
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Speaker 3: I mean, another person is I'm in so much pain,

460
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: and other says he needs to drop out now. And

461
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 3: the whole thing is really heartbreaking. And this was the

462
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Speaker 3: sentiment kind of across the across the volunteer chat, that

463
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Speaker 3: a feeling of betrayal, but also a commitment that what

464
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Speaker 3: they were fighting for was bigger than bigger than just

465
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Speaker 3: one one person. They very quickly started gravitating towards we

466
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Speaker 3: can put up the next element here. This is also

467
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Speaker 3: from Nathan Bernard. People saying this is very early on

468
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Speaker 3: good run. Guys back Troy Jackson. Another person says Troy

469
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Speaker 3: has virtually the same politics. I feel like he's the

470
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Speaker 3: obvious answer. Anyone else that reads has a more establishment

471
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Speaker 3: picked and we're definitely cooked. Honestly, somebody else says having

472
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Speaker 3: him into or someone like Troy could be an interesting

473
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Speaker 3: moment to see how this kind of politics polls without

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Speaker 3: any baggage. And in the Troy Jackson discord, people started

475
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Speaker 3: popping too because there is this is tell us about

476
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Speaker 3: Troy Jackson. Troy Jackson. So he's a really interesting case.

477
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Speaker 3: He You would actually like him because listen to this.

478
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Speaker 3: He got his start in politics. He was politicized as

479
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Speaker 3: an anti immigrant activist. Really wow, now there's some content,

480
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Speaker 3: there's some contours to this. He's a lagger from northern Maine.

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Speaker 3: So in the late nineteen nineties, Canada and Maine got

482
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Speaker 3: in a fight over over labor rights, and a bunch

483
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Speaker 3: of Canadian laggers started taking jobs at dangerous working condition

484
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Speaker 3: and lower pay from Maine laggers. And so when I

485
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Speaker 3: say anti immigrant, he's anti Canadian immigrants. Yeah, exactly, you know,

486
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Speaker 3: discriminate your anti immigrant. And so he is at the time,

487
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Speaker 3: basically not politically, he's in the Union of Laggers and

488
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Speaker 3: he participates in protests and even civil disobedience. After that,

489
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Speaker 3: they filed something like one hundred and thirty seven complaints

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Speaker 3: through different you know, OSHA labor boards and otherwise fighting

491
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Speaker 3: against what they saw as the Canadian exploitation of Canadian

492
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Speaker 3: migrant labor. And they were getting nowhere, so they started

493
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Speaker 3: engaging in civil disobedience as well. Then then he gets

494
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Speaker 3: into politics and he runs for the state legislature as

495
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Speaker 3: a Republican. That's what I'm saying, you really love him.

496
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Speaker 3: He loses a very close race against this very entrenched Democrat.

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Speaker 3: It's one of these rural main areas that had been

498
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Speaker 3: Democratic for decades. He then runs the next cycle as

499
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Speaker 3: an independent and beats the Democrat, so unseats this guy.

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Speaker 3: Over time, he converts then to a Democrat. He then

501
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Speaker 3: ends up becoming president of the Senate. Like so he

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Speaker 3: becomes like a significant figure in the state, as significant

503
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Speaker 3: as you can be in a small state like that,

504
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: but his president's Senate. He ran for a governor in

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Speaker 3: this cycle, and he came very close to winning because

506
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Speaker 3: the rank choice voting process, it looked like very much

507
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 3: had a chance even after election day to end up

508
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Speaker 3: end up with a nomination. He felt a little bit short.

509
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: Plattner endorsed him, he endorsed Platina. They kind of ran

510
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: together as this working class ticket, and people would often

511
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Speaker 3: say that Troy Jackson was what people thought Platner was

512
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Speaker 3: because Platner had this complicated background where his dad's a lawyer,

513
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Speaker 3: a rich kid. He spent a year at the Hotchkiss

514
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Speaker 3: right then he goes to the Marines, whereas Troy Jackson,

515
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Speaker 3: his mom was sixteen.

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Speaker 1: It's like actual lagger.

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Speaker 3: You mean he did.

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Speaker 1: It's not for me to decide who's a real manor

519
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: but you guys can.

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Speaker 3: His mom was sixteen when she had him. He went

521
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Speaker 3: to community college, and then he became a lagger, right like,

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Speaker 3: So that that's that's a that's a kind of more

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Speaker 3: straightforward understanding of what that.

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Speaker 1: But the question now is, and this is part of it.

525
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Speaker 1: This is look, I mean, to your point, you're not wrong,

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Speaker 1: Like there is an undemocratic nature to this the current traction.

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Speaker 1: You tell correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it,

528
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Speaker 1: main Democratic Party is considering doing some sort of super

529
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Speaker 1: delegate convention where they get to decide who the nominee

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Speaker 1: is going to be. I mean, I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 1: I do have a problem with that, like that is

532
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Speaker 1: a little bit like what happened with Biden and Kamalaw

533
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Speaker 1: and it's kind of a disaster. And so no, no, no,

534
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Speaker 1: it's not at all or sorry, no, you're right, because

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Speaker 1: there wasn't even a super delegate process, So you tell me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the composition of the main

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Is it the similar nature? I mean, because

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Speaker 1: he's Janet Mills. Obviously it did not look like Platner

539
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Speaker 1: was beloved by the main Democratic establishment. He was a

540
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Speaker 1: total outsider who ran overwhelmingly won the primary. However, you know,

541
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Speaker 1: now you basically have the hands back in the establishment,

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Speaker 1: you know, for not just Janet Mills, but all these

543
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Speaker 1: super delegate people, and they're gonna choose like one of

544
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Speaker 1: the people apparently who's being floated is like well Biden's

545
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Speaker 1: CDC director. I mean, so it doesn't take a political

546
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Speaker 1: genius to say that may be a little bit of

547
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Speaker 1: a problem up in Maine, just my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Shot, yeah, yeah, yeah, which and which is funny. Somebody

549
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Speaker 3: somebody asked nerov Shaw on Twitter yesterday, is would you

550
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Speaker 3: take a pac money and Israel committing a genocide? And

551
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: immediately he's like they're committing a genocide, wouldn't take a

552
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Speaker 3: pac money. So it's funny like now you have political

553
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: candidates pandering in the opposite direction. Like I don't know

554
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: whether he believes that or not, but he clearly understands

555
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Speaker 3: that given the momentum that Graham Platner had, like you're

556
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 3: you're not You're not getting into this position with public support.

557
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: Maybe you can get it. The established could force you

558
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: on on the party, but you're gonna lose then at

559
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: that point.

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Speaker 1: Like you need Yeah, but it's one of those where

561
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Speaker 1: you know, it's is it? I look, I don't know anything.

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Speaker 1: So for me cc director under COVID, I'm like.

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Speaker 3: No, it's I think that's ridiculous. Yeah, certainly he's in

564
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Speaker 3: the running. I think it would be ridiculous if if

565
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: he ran for governor as well, it didn't did not win,

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Speaker 3: it would be ridiculous if he if they go, if

567
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Speaker 3: they go with him, But but so they happen until

568
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Speaker 3: the thirteenth or fourteenth for Planner to drop out six days. Yeah,

569
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Speaker 3: and so he has leverage in that sense because if

570
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Speaker 3: he doesn't drop out, like then they lose the seat.

571
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Speaker 3: So he can he can say, look, I will drop

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Speaker 3: out in exchange. And this is my understanding of what's

573
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Speaker 3: going on. I will drop out in exchange for this Jackson,

574
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Speaker 3: maybe for accent or for a genuinely fair process that

575
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Speaker 3: allows the real grassroots energy in the party to pick

576
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Speaker 3: at a kind of shotgun rapid convention to pick a

577
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Speaker 3: nominee that and that's not just Janet Mills his team

578
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Speaker 3: picking somebody and a Mills. As far as I can tell,

579
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: nobody's interested in her being the nominee, and she's not

580
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Speaker 3: interested in being the nominee.

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Speaker 1: It seem I think she's not obtuse enough to try

582
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Speaker 1: to obtain it. But I mean, long story short, but

583
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Speaker 1: I yeah, go.

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Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty four, even I was urging Democrats

585
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Speaker 3: to have this snap convention, like just have a three

586
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Speaker 3: week mini primary, fight it out on CNN, do the polls,

587
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: and then let the delegates vote. And yes, there's Superdells,

588
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: but there's also delegates. So a lot of these party

589
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: activists in Maine and part and county chairs and county

590
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: vice chairs like they liked Graham Platner a lot, they

591
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: didn't like Mills. Obviously, Mills lost, So maybe let that

592
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: process play out that has to happen I think by

593
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Speaker 3: the twenty sixth and seventh or something like that, so

594
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: the end, so it has to happen fairly quickly. But

595
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: you could then say, okay, here the you're off Shot

596
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: wants to get in, Troy Jackson wants to get in.

597
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Speaker 3: We go to the convention, and there will be polling

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Speaker 3: at the same time. So it's so even though it's

599
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Speaker 3: not a statewide vote, Like right there's a poll circulating

600
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Speaker 3: right now that shows Jackson beating Collins by five and

601
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Speaker 3: he's he has the highest gap head to head of

602
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Speaker 3: of any of the other ones that are being floated.

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Speaker 3: We're going to continue to see those polls get published

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Speaker 3: between now and the end of July, and that will

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Speaker 3: factor into how these these state party acts.

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Speaker 1: I will say, having just uh, you know, there is

607
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Speaker 1: a very competitive primary. Not a lot of signs. They're

608
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Speaker 1: like they're like like not just like no signs, like

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Speaker 1: no political side. It's nice still, thank you mainers.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful. It's beautiful.

611
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Speaker 1: It's like everyone's the weather's just so good. They're like,

612
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: forget about it, We're all just going to hang out.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious. You know what you if you

614
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Speaker 1: want to go into any of it, just like how

615
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: should the left be thinking about because I think there's

616
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Speaker 1: probably a lot of people out there who are very heartbroken,

617
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Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, does it make you assess

618
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Speaker 1: like how how handle the Lindsay Fifield thing and good

619
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: questions about his care because to be honest, for me,

620
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Speaker 1: I thought that the New York Times story was bullshit.

621
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that about Lindsay. I'm saying this

622
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Speaker 1: is total he said, she said, this isn't the fact

623
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Speaker 1: that she's Republican, and you could say soger, but this

624
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: one is like that too, And I'm like, you're right,

625
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Speaker 1: but it's a little bit different, like when we're talking

626
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Speaker 1: about forcible rape versus like oh, he grabbed my arm

627
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Speaker 1: and a drunken situation. I mean, you have no idea

628
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Speaker 1: right in something like that, and this one, you know,

629
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Speaker 1: it's it's like the kind of the implications are so rim.

630
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Speaker 1: It's basically a crime, right, this being a led share

631
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Speaker 1: like a category one felony or whatever, classic felony. So

632
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Speaker 1: the question I think is, I mean, the red crumbs

633
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Speaker 1: were there, like when we put this one with the

634
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Speaker 1: rest of them, it does make sense and I think

635
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Speaker 1: that's the problem. It's like, yeah, drunken behavior, sexual philanderer, bad,

636
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, bad judgment with the with the tattoo, which

637
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: can we all just acknowledge he knew it was a

638
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Nazi tattoo. Ran he obviously when he got it.

639
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Speaker 3: Huh, he got it.

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Speaker 1: I think he learned at some point, dude, he knew

641
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Speaker 1: it was not everybody in the Marine Cop Here's here's

642
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Speaker 1: his defense. There are a bunch of Marine Corps guys

643
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Speaker 1: who have the same tattoo. All right, I mean I

644
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Speaker 1: don't particularly can't.

645
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: Bud said either.

646
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Speaker 1: Come on, like this is very good Marine scout snipers,

647
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Speaker 1: all these other people. They brag about it. They're like

648
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: it's a total cop tattoo for them. You know, it's

649
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: like they can give you a whole explanation about wafting

650
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: SS versus SS whatever. All right. You know at the

651
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: are they truly Nazis in their heart?

652
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 5: No?

653
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And like that's what it came

654
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: down to. But I'm saying his adrenaline adventure seeking total

655
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, look, he joined Blackwater or whatever it was called.

656
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: He was an adrenaline junkie. He had bad judgment, He

657
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic, like, you know, the signs were there, right, Yeah.

658
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of two minds of it. On the one hand,

659
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: the people who were saying there are red flags everywhere,

660
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Speaker 3: beware are obviously vindicated like that their their spider sense

661
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: went off. They sense something and now yeah, so they

662
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 3: can say I told you so. At the same time,

663
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 3: I do want to draw a line at where exactly

664
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: were you getting those red flags? If it's if it's

665
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: that he codes as this gruff kind of working class guy,

666
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: I do not want to concede that therefore he's probably

667
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 3: a rapist, right, and that we need and we need

668
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: to just kind of cordon off all of those people

669
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: from our from decent society. And so that's right. So

670
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: I do not regret at all drawing drawing that line.

671
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: You you meet people where they are, and then when

672
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: new information emerges, you evaluate that information. You do not

673
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: assume the worst about a person based on how they look.

674
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: Like this is America. We understand that for every gender

675
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: and race. We have to also apply that to white

676
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: working class men as well. Yes, So on the other hand,

677
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: when people are like, well, yeah, but if you look

678
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: at some of the Reddit posts and you get deeper

679
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: into them, you see some real dehumanizing language, and that

680
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 3: that is the red flag I'm talking about for somebody

681
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: who says that, I'm like, okay, you.

682
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Know what, Yeah, that right, Remember that that's being born

683
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: as anecdot where he's like, I want somebody to break

684
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: in so I can rape them. Like it looks a

685
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: little different now, right, you know. It's like, and I mean,

686
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: I think you're right, is we have to meet people

687
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: where they are. His story was one of redemption. This

688
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: was five years ago. Man. I'm not saying you can't

689
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: redeem yourself, but it's like, dude, you're a full blown alcoholic. Obviously,

690
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: your problems, your PTSD. We can all understand that. You know,

691
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: anybody who has dealt with veterans. However, you know some

692
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: behavior is genuinely like it's bad, right, And it's one

693
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: of those, And.

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Speaker 3: It's also pretty deep into his redemption arc. Obviously, redemption

695
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: is not one day you wake up and you're a

696
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: good person.

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Speaker 5: Right.

698
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: On the other hand, this is like an extreme violation

699
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: and it's pretty far into after having gone back and

700
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Speaker 3: doing the right he's alwaysterring. He's with his community, his family,

701
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: so and yeah, I do think it goes back to

702
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: the self medicating with alcohol and alcohol abuse. Yeah, and that.

703
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: Which is not an excuse for what he did not

704
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, we can see here. So I don't know.

705
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean I really do because I met some of

706
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: them in Portland. They were so excited. That's where my platinum. Man,

707
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: You're lowesome because you fucked those people like you. They

708
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: went out there literally in the pouring rain to go

709
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: and to talk to people, and you told them nothing

710
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: else was coming, and you betrayed their trust. And a

711
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: lot of other people stuck their next out for you

712
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of other people, And it's like, man

713
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: like that to me, there is no higher crime than

714
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: that as a politician, because people believe in and I

715
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: felt this way. You know, when you believe in somebody

716
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: and it's not that they stab you in the back

717
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: because they betrayed what they told you that they were

718
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Speaker 1: going to do. I mean, there's no there's no higher crime,

719
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: right especially on the fringes. At the same time, I

720
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: do want to say all these people, Pearl Clutching and Washington,

721
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: you better be real careful, all right, because you know,

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00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: I've heard plenty of stories about a lot of different

723
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: people who are you know, just because just because you're

724
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: doing it while you're wearing a tuxedo and you've got

725
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: the power broker behind you doesn't make it better, I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: And I do think as a society, I do think

727
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: we need to sit with this rush, this this very

728
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: fast rush to judgment that we do.

729
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Speaker 4: Right.

730
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Speaker 1: It's yeah, I've always been anti me too. This is

731
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Speaker 1: it's because you know, it gets completely out of control.

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00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: I will say, though, you know, in the pantheon of

733
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: all of them like this, because this accusation is in

734
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: Weinstein territory, not a z's on sorry in territory right,

735
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: If you'll recall, there's a big different right, and so

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Speaker 1: there's breadcrumbs that were kind of a z'son sorry ish

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Speaker 1: to the middle, and I have this. It does make

738
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: it genuinely, gnuinely different. So there you go. That's our

739
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: our long take, and you know, I hope it was

740
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: helpful and for everybody thinking about it, we're going to

741
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: do a hard left turn. Let's go to FIFA. Turning

742
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: down to FIFA. For those of you who stayed up

743
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: late to watch Team USA lose to Belgium late four

744
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: to one, very late from Oh my god, all right,

745
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: let's put this one up here on the screen there.

746
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: It is four to one, one of which was a

747
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: humiliating goal against the United States. This all despite President

748
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: Trump's intervention on behalf of Team USA for this huge game,

749
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: which took place in Seattle yesterday we had I know,

750
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: you guys covered it, and Ryan you cheered it. I

751
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: cheered it on as well. For once you know you

752
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: use corruption to benefit the country.

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00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: I also think I defend it.

754
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: You should defend and you know why, because you know

755
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Speaker 1: this is what look I mean, I'm not a huge

756
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: soccer president. Even before this, I did not watch a

757
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of the World Cup. It was while I was off.

758
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: Some of my family were watching it and that kind

759
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: of you know, I got bitten by the bug and

760
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: this is a higher stakes knockout and all that. So

761
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: I started watching some more of the games and it

762
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: genuinely was fun, really fun to root for a team USA.

763
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Speaker 1: So I do actually think it was one of those

764
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: moments where you know, say what you will. Kamalo would

765
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: not have gotten the red card. Okay, we all know it,

766
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: like we know this, She's not making that call. She

767
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: would never make the call, and she would not win

768
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: the Viva Peace Prize, the most coveted prize that there is.

769
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: So here's Trump confirming. Yes, I mean, I guess we

770
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: should meditate here on the Trump curse because remember the

771
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: one Knicks game that he went to if they lost,

772
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: and now the one game where he put his thumb

773
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: on the scale we lost. Iet I forget who said

774
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Speaker 1: it's like a part in my take thing where they're like,

775
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why you should never go to

776
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: automatic refing is because fans need something to blame, like

777
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: we need fee, you know, we need to be like

778
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: it was total bullshit balgain like it with the Regor,

779
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: we would have won that game. And now you're like,

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00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, what can you say?

781
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: It's a disa we need we need that hope.

782
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: But here's Trump confirming, and I think you know this

783
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: isn't just gonna be about the Team USA loss. It's

784
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: actually about how Trump has opened up this can of

785
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: worms where now every major leader in the world is

786
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: trying to use their influence on FIFA and is actually

787
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: doing it to to some effects. So here's Trump talking

788
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: about his phone call with FIFA's Infantino, specifically about how

789
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: he pressured him to take the Balgan red card away.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: You're asking me about the whole suck.

792
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 7: So, yeah, I did. I spoke to Johnny, who's highly respected.

793
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 7: I saw the play, and I'm a person that loves

794
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 7: sports and who's a good athlete, and I understand sports

795
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 7: really well, really well. And that wasn't a foul. That

796
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 7: wasn't even an infraction. That was two guys running full

797
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 7: speed that happened to crash into each other. You can't

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00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 7: take your foot and properly place it on somebody else

799
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 7: his foot when you're going. No, these were two great

800
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 7: athletes that got tangled up. And this referee who is

801
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 7: a little bit suspect if you check his if you

802
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 7: check his past. I don't want to say that because

803
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 7: I don't like to create controversy, but very suspect. If

804
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 7: you'd like, I'll provide you with the past. He made

805
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 7: a call that nobody could believe, you know, even people

806
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 7: on the other side they say, oh, we got lucky, wow,

807
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 7: And it's very interesting. They say, they don't show him

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00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 7: in slow motion, And I never realized that I've never

809
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 7: heard of that before, that they're not allowed to review

810
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 7: in slow motion because it's so different, because you'll take

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00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 7: one little quarter of a second and you'll see that

812
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 7: a hand is touching a neck or you see something. Yes,

813
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 7: I asked for a review by FIFA. I spoke to

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Speaker 7: a man who's highly respected and by the way, whose

815
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 7: level of respect has gone up tenfold. This game would

816
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 7: have a big mark on it if we lost. If

817
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 7: we want no matter what happened, you have to let

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Speaker 7: them use their best players. And the game tonight's gonna

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00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 7: be amazing and we're gonna have a full team, and

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00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 7: Belgium is gonna have a full team. And you know what,

821
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 7: if they beat us, then they can be really proud.

822
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 7: The other way, if they beat us, we'll say it

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00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 7: was I say it was rigged, just like the election

824
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 7: was rigged in twenty twenty.

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00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: But Trump the athlete describing his his funk, I mean

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Speaker 1: he objectively, the red card was complete. Bs right, if

827
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: you have to agree, yeah, right. So what was funny

828
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: though about this was everyone in American leadership was very

829
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: high on the hog because they really believed this is it,

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00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna win. And so for example, here's the Secretary

831
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Speaker 1: of State. Let's put this one up here on the screen.

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00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Rubio he was at a meeting yesterday.

833
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: We'd play the audio for you, but it's really messed up.

834
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: He was a meeting at the State Department today. Him

835
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: and Trump are actually meeting with an Ankra with the

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00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: entire NATO delegation, and so he will come face to

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00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: face with the practice. I think it's Prime Minister right

838
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: of Belgium, and Rubio here says, maybe turning it into

839
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: an international incident. I don't know. Maybe we'll bring it

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00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: up at NATO tomorrow with the Belgians and everybody else. Quote,

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Speaker 1: if you're Belgium, why would you want to play a

842
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: game and win a match? And then everybody will argue

843
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: that you didn't really win it, right, And so yeah,

844
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: I agree, right, I mean, we should have had it

845
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: so that there we could all blame the fact that

846
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: he did not show up and we also had this

847
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: just some other hilarious stuff here. In terms of FIFA,

848
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: let's put B five up here on the screen. The

849
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: President of FIFA, Gianni Inventino. He says, I have seen

850
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: the public comments regarding the decision of independent FIFA Disciplinary

851
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: Committee related to the suspension of Valigan, and I would

852
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: like to reiterate a fundamental principle of FIFA governance. FIFA's

853
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: judicial bodies are independent. They operate autonomously, apply the disciplinary

854
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: code and decide cases based on the applicable regulations and

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00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: specific facts before them. Their independence is essential to the

856
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: credibility and integrity of football and this must always be respected. Yes,

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00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: I regularly discuss matters related to the FIFA World Cup

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00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: with the President of the United States, and on this

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00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: matter I did receive a call from President Trump, just

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Speaker 1: as I receive calls from heads of state, government officials,

861
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Speaker 1: football stakeholders and business executives from around the world on

862
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Speaker 1: many different issues. During our conversation, I explained that there

863
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: was an ongoing legal process involving FIFA independent judicial body

864
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: and that the case would be decided in due course.

865
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Speaker 1: That is how the FIFA system works and as a

866
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Speaker 1: principle I will always uphold. So, he says, I even

867
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: read the decision sometimes and I am surprised. Sometimes I agree,

868
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Speaker 1: and sometimes I disagree, And he says, Finally, respect for

869
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: independent institutions and the rule of law is what protects

870
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Speaker 1: the integrity of our competitions and the credibility of FIFA

871
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: at all times. And you will be shocked to learn

872
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: that even even step Bladder, who is one of the

873
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: most corrupt you know, FIFA officials literally of all time,

874
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: had said that you can't be doing this. So let's

875
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: put the B six up here on the screen, he says.

876
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: Red cards are not overturned by political phone calls. They

877
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: are overturned by rules, evidence and independent bodies. If a

878
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: US president intervenes with the FIFA president and a player

879
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: is suddenly cleared before a World Cup knockout match, the

880
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: question is unavoidable. I cannot say these were It was

881
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: a quo vadi FIFA. Football must never become a playground

882
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: for political power. So there you have it, right, set

883
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Bladder is calling you out.

884
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Speaker 3: You have a problem, you have so fun Well, first

885
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: of all, the credibility of FIFA is such a funny phrase. Yes,

886
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: getting exactly the credibility of FIFA. On the other hand,

887
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: I don't know whether or not the people in the

888
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: US understand like how this is perceived internationally, Like it's

889
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: just it just looks like the most kind of grotesque

890
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: and blunt bullying from a bull and a bull in

891
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: a FIFA China shop here, Like, also, I think you're

892
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: not supposed to get caught this blatantly trying to exert

893
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: political influence, Like you're supposed to like meet at the

894
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: Four Seasons and talk about a future contract that you're

895
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: going to give to whatever quote unquote independent judge is

896
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: on this football panel. See I remember it. Miraculously they

897
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: get this contract and all of a sudden they're living.

898
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: They've got a really nice vacation home in Greece somewhere

899
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: you don't but we're just so like Trump is just so,

900
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: he's corrupt from the chest.

901
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: He's in this case though, don't even prefer it. You're like, yeah,

902
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: I called him. He's like, we're the host country. It's bullshit.

903
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm the most powerful leader in the world. No, we

904
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: can't be having this soon.

905
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: As soon the story came out, I knew, like, yeah, oh, well,

906
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: Suan Trump has the press conference, We're going to hear

907
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: all the details of disruption. If he was Nixon, he

908
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: would never talk about it, right, No Trump would know.

909
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: But if Trump were president in the seventies, You're like, yeah,

910
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: he's like, I want I sent the I sent my

911
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: guys into Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office because he's crazy, and I

912
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: wanted to prove it to the American people. And the

913
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: DNC is trying to rig the economy and they're in

914
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: the watergate. So I sent my guys in there.

915
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean.

916
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: Right, yes, that's it.

917
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. But here's my favorite part is, now,

918
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: let's put B seven up here on the screen. Is

919
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: after this whole situation, the French of Football Federation has

920
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: now appealed to FIFA to rescind one of their players.

921
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: Yellow cards during the World Cup last sixteen win over Paraguay.

922
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: The star player was booked after an altercation who went

923
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: to ground holding his face, were replaced show he was

924
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: actually holding his shirt. And so the French are like, hey,

925
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're pretty good. We're powerful. We have you know,

926
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: we have nuclear wet that we do. Hey, we really

927
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: we Soccer is our sport, right, you know, it's one

928
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: of our major sports. If you're handing out favors, let's

929
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: hand out a few. We also have this one. Let's

930
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: put B eight up here on the screen. Man, these people,

931
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Honestly, again, I had no idea how much

932
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: influenc there was here, so apparently this just happened. Keir

933
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Speaker 1: Starmer helped stop an earlier kickoff between England and Mexico,

934
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Speaker 1: so the outgoing Prime Minister gave English players quote a

935
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: few extra hours to acclimatize to the Mexico City altitude.

936
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: FIFA wanted to reschedule England's football match in Mexico City

937
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: by several hours, keeping the kickoff set for one am

938
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: Monday morning UK time. FIFA had considered starting it at

939
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: seven pm UK time, friendlier for British viewers, but tougher

940
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: on English players, who had to acclimatize to Mexico City's

941
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: grueling high elevation. The departing PM was contacted by the

942
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: English Football Association to alert him before a full blown

943
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: diplomatic intervention by the government, because it is what is

944
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: like seven thousand feet up or something in Mexico City.

945
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, you've got heads of

946
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: state again, You've got a nuclear arm power here. They're like, hey,

947
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, we once ruled the Seas. It's like you

948
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: have to listen to us here Premier League and all

949
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: the half of our players are playing now currently here

950
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: in FIFA, so you got to listen, I think to

951
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of us, But I think the overwhelming

952
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: consensus here is just a classic FIFA moment. As I understand. Again,

953
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Speaker 1: I'm very new to this, so please forgive me. I'm

954
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: doing my best. If Crystal were here, she would do

955
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: much better than I do. She watched like the entire

956
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: World Cup as I from what I know here. You know,

957
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary about FIFA and Katar and all

958
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: of their insane corruption going back decades. Like this very

959
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: much fits with FIFA as a World Cup as to

960
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: how it all went down, the peace prize, Trump's overall intervention,

961
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Speaker 1: and then the poetic you know justice. I guess for

962
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: us is that we lost in humiliating fashion. So there

963
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: it is.

964
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Speaker 3: That's it.

965
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Speaker 1: So I guess we'll see does Norway have the juice

966
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Speaker 1: to rig the to rig it for them, because that's

967
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Speaker 1: why I'm rooting for now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, wrong, I might have even

969
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: been in that documentary. Were you in that documentary?

970
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: You in everything? One of those coreat I was in

971
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: the Joe Loo documentary, which one of my favorite books,

972
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: Billion Dollars What is it?

973
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 3: Billion dollar Dollar? Great book? The Yeah, because I did

974
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: this story about how the UAE devised this entire plan

975
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 3: to tank Cutter's currency and hold it and hold it

976
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: hostage Katari real, yeah, in order to then force them

977
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Speaker 3: to share the World Cup. It did it with Prince Andrew.

978
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: Prince then this print and this bank that Prince Andrew was.

979
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Speaker 1: I was going to high school in Qatar when they

980
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: got the World Cup and I was looking around. I

981
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: was like here. I was like, it's one hundred and

982
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: thirty degrees outside. I was like, how is anybody gonna

983
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: play here? This is I was like, you can't even

984
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: drink in this country, How's this going to work? I

985
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: was totally right, by the way.

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Speaker 3: And this is why I got to sign up for

987
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: the news letter, because I'll put the link to that

988
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: article about the UA and Cutter in the World Cup

989
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: in the newsletter Ye breaking.

990
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Points dot Com only in the newsletter Breaking Points dot Com. Great, wait,

991
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: ask who are you writting for? I'm going for Norway.

992
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: It's not about how long guy.

993
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: I love this dude, but Norway. I would love to

994
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: see that.

995
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: This is just his his Viking physiognomy.

996
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: It's just so love it.

997
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Uh and yeah, I mean English, and it's

998
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: like we got to see we got to see the

999
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: Vikings triumph, you know, over over the English and just just.

1000
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 3: Just be really funny. It is really funny.

1001
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: You're ready for Spain, I think, so okay.

1002
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would be I would be pleased to

1003
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: see the Viking guy with yeah yeah, I.

1004
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: Mean for he needs it, you know, he's America loves

1005
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: this guy. He's he's scoring cowboy hats and Texas is

1006
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: great