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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: for a day? DA State? Is that? Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 2: And then and tie, welcome back to the solid veryboll

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Speaker 2: boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildebrand. That fine

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Speaker 2: gentleman over there, you know, is Dan Rubinstein. Welcome back, sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you great? Ty? I'm great? This is the

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Speaker 1: long this is the real offseason that we are now entering. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there any spring games left. Are

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Speaker 2: I believe like Washington is one of those teams that's

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Speaker 2: But otherwise you're talking like Dartmouth in Indiana State.

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Speaker 1: Are we going live for a post dark Smith's spring

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Speaker 2: We could if we really wanted, but that is not

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Speaker 1: No, all I'm seeing is Washington of Power Conference schools.

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Speaker 1: That's right, That's all that's all that left. So a

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Speaker 2: We haven't talked a whole lot about that because we

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Speaker 2: working on correct detailing the state of the Iowa offense before, during, and.

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Speaker 1: After we do. And I'm very excited for this. Yeah,

437
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: a little bit different than what we normally do.

438
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Speaker 2: It's a nice little zag that we've got going. Yeah,

439
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 2: it's a little zag and it's not a dunk. It

440
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 2: is in earnest our curiosity hopefully on display. So more

441
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: to come on that front, Stay tuned. Any other transfer

442
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: portal news that jumped out to you, Dan Rubenstein.

443
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Speaker 1: No, this is this is the sort of end of

444
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: the window. And I don't think you can do a

445
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: lot successful successfully this late in the process. I don't

446
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: think there's going to be you know, huge, huge names

447
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: that we So Christian Miller from Georgia go in and

448
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: come back out a promising defensive lineman for the Dogs.

449
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I think it's the period of

450
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: time where teams are like, oh, we have eighty nine

451
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: scholarship dudes, we have to have a couple of meetings

452
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: here or the spring, like Oregon lost defensive linemen when

453
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: it sort of became clear ahead of the spring game

454
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Speaker 1: that maybe he wasn't super high on the depth chart,

455
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: and so you're gonna get a lot of guys like that.

456
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Speaker 1: You're gonna see a lot of tweets and Instagram posts

457
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Speaker 1: like he was a five star coming out of high school,

458
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Speaker 1: Like that's okay. What about college? What about the college production?

459
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: And so yes, it's guys scrambling last second and its

460
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: team scrambling to build up depth. But I don't think

461
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Speaker 1: you're going to see a ton of star power this.

462
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Speaker 2: Light elsewhere around college football. He has ten big time

463
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Speaker 2: power spring games this past weekend Oregon mm hmm, alongside Nebraska, Maryland,

464
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Speaker 2: West Virginia, TCU, Colorado, Rutgers, UCLA, Wazoo, and Arizona. Let's

465
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Speaker 2: talk about Oregon, okay, I on cursory glance noted that

466
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Speaker 2: people seem very high on the secondary at Oregon, that

467
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Speaker 2: after years of its sort of being in question, it

468
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Speaker 2: now may figure to be a strength.

469
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Speaker 1: How did it look? Was at your takeaway from the

470
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Speaker 1: spring game as well? I only watched like a ten

471
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Speaker 1: minute highlight video and did some reading and saw some injuries.

472
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Speaker 1: Oregon was out a big running back of there as

473
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Speaker 1: they were without specific the the secondary guy who's penciled

474
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Speaker 1: in as starter, Jalil Florence, who has been hurt for

475
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Speaker 1: quite some time now, I think recovering from some kind

476
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: of procedure, so he wasn't there. They rotated in a

477
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Speaker 1: bunch of guys, it seemed in the secondary, young guys.

478
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: Aaron Flowers was a big guy coming into this year's

479
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: class in early en roly and he made plays. Yeah,

480
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: I think the secondary will be fine. They split up

481
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: the team so it wasn't like ones versus ones. It

482
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: was thrown around. I think the only concern, based on

483
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Speaker 1: some of the results of some of the plays in

484
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: the game, would be offensive line a little bit. But

485
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Speaker 1: they weren't playing as a number one unit. It was

486
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Speaker 1: all broken up, and I think Oregon is pretty deep

487
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Speaker 1: along the defensive line, and they really got the best

488
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Speaker 1: of Oregon upfront. Oregon on Oregon crime, I guess no.

489
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Speaker 1: They have a D two transfer running back who flashed

490
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Speaker 1: a little bit, Jay Harris from Missouri somewhere. I think

491
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Speaker 1: Oregon's in a really strong position. Dylan Gabriel was good,

492
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Speaker 1: if not great. They had some drops. Evan Stewart had

493
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: a crazy one handed catch, but I think he was

494
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: out of bounds and being interfered with. No. I don't

495
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: take too much away. Jordan James looks very good. He

496
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: looks like the best running back on the roster, and

497
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: they're in a very good position. A lot of key

498
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: names didn't play, but everything's good. So this was the man.

499
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel short. I also took that away. He's a

500
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: shorter guy. Hey, as long as he throws touchdowns, it

501
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: doesn't throw a reception technic, he'll be fine. He'll take it.

502
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: Dylan Royola Oh man, Dylan Roola, Yeah, he might be

503
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: it man. Oh, I think he is. I don't know

504
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: what it means in terms of wins and losses.

505
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Speaker 2: He looked really good. He looked really good. Some of

506
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: the recaps I read said as advertised. I saw some highlights.

507
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: Sixteen of twenty two, two hundred and thirty nine yards

508
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: passing two touchdowns, had to pick at a long completion

509
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: of like sixty four yards as well. If you are

510
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: a Nebraska fan, I understand the excitement around Diylan Roola,

511
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess on some level you have to

512
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: trust that Matt Rule is going to put a better

513
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: line out there, He's going to put a better offense

514
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: out there this season, that the supporting cast around him,

515
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: at least on the offensive side, the ball is going

516
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: to be much improved. Who knows what it means. Who

517
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: knows what it means Nebraska's going to a bowl game

518
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: going eight wins. It's all too early for that. But

519
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: in the limited glimpses that.

520
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: We got of Dylan Royola, you gotta be excited. Man.

521
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: Even like the backup Heinrich Hoberg, even he looked better,

522
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: more confident running the offense. There was a lot, I think,

523
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: to take away from the Nebraska spring game. And so

524
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: if you're a Nebraska fan, like we're going to do

525
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: this again. I feel like every year we're here with

526
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: these Nebraska spring games and preseason thoughts where there is

527
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: cause for optimism, but then we get to a point

528
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: relatively early in the season where it sort of vanishes

529
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: into thin air. Hopefully this isn't another year like that.

530
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Speaker 2: But start out here in April, Dylan royolill look pretty

531
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: damn good.

532
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Speaker 1: The good on him, Yeah, all you want to see

533
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: from a true freshman quarterback, especially one that you are

534
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: hopeful is going to be the starter, which is rare.

535
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: Like if your team is in a position where they

536
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of have to start a true freshman quarterback, that's

537
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: not the best position to be in. But with regard

538
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: to Dilan Royola specifically, the physical tools are crazy obvious.

539
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: He looks like Patrick Mahomes in terms of his release

540
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: and confidence and casual nature. And I say that in

541
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: a good way. That he wasn't freaking out and having

542
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: happy feet every play displaying happy feet. The big thing

543
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: you want to see is somebody not freaking out, somebody confident,

544
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: somebody looking downfield and sort of being decisive that feels

545
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: that it's within a rhythm of the offense. And that's

546
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: what he looked like. And so I don't know how

547
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: well the line will protect him. I don't know how

548
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: well his receivers will get separation. I don't you know,

549
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: like they bring in. I think it's Dante Dudell as

550
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: one of the promising running backs the Oregon transfer. He's

551
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: a bigger back and he had a long touchdown I

552
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: believe in the spring game. But all you want from

553
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Riyola is confidence, decisiveness, not dirting balls in front of open,

554
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: tight ends or something, and the glaringly obvious reality that

555
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: if he is surrounded by talent, that he can be

556
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: a game changer, which I think. You watch that game,

557
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, it's there. Now. The question is like,

558
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: who's protecting his blindside consistently? Who is getting open downfield?

559
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: Will you have enough time? If the offensive line isn't

560
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: that good? How creative is the offensive coaching staff in

561
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: terms of rollouts and misdirection and screen games stuff like that.

562
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: But man, you watch him, You're like, oh, this is

563
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: a different guy. This is a different guy. And that

564
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: was on.

565
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Display outside of the situation at Nebraska. I went through,

566
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: I read through everything that took place this past weekend.

567
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you did a good job highlighting what went

568
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: down at Oregon. Obviously there were other games as well.

569
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Speaker 2: Here were the three other interesting tidbits that I took away, okay,

570
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: in this past week in a spring football The first

571
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: is at Maryland. We talked about Maryland, Brian Farrens, Okay, whatever, HM.

572
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: At Maryland they don't know who's playing quarterback this year,

573
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: and they still don't know who's playing quarterback after the

574
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: spring game? Right, so Talia gone, it seems to be

575
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: a two way battle between Billy Edwards and MJ.

576
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: Morris.

577
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: Neither one got a leg up in the quarterback race.

578
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: It was, mostly speaking, a spring game that was led

579
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: by defense. So I feel like defense, good on you.

580
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: If you're waiting for a quarterback to emerge. That did

581
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: not happen yet, that's the first thing. Secondly, at TCU,

582
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: Andy Avolos now your boy now the defensive coordinator. Last

583
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: year they ran a three three five this year, at

584
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: least if you're.

585
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: A bunch of different stuff, he's pretty multiple.

586
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's right if you're if you're taking anything

587
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: away from spring and you know, we always expect these

588
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: games to be somewhat vanilla, but we did see that. Yeah,

589
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: the Vlo's defense is much more varied, so a lot

590
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: more four man rushes, many different looks from a defensive standpoint,

591
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: I did not see in any recap. I was disappointed

592
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: that he wants to run a more aggressive, downhill attacking defense,

593
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: but I think we know that's the case, and it's

594
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: only a matter of time before we see somebody write

595
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: that article. So we eagerly await that, otherwise a lot

596
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: more man to man things like that. I think we're

597
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 2: prominent on the defensive side of the ball. On the

598
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball, Sonny Dyke's talked a little

599
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: bit about how they're trying to incorporate more pre snap motion,

600
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: and they showed many different sets featuring one of those

601
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: bunch formations for wide receivers, and it was so prevalent

602
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: and so obvious that it was like one of one

603
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: of at least one of those two things, the prestat

604
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: motion or the bunch set on every single offensive drive.

605
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: So if nothing more, if you take anything away from

606
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: the spring game on the defensive side of the ball,

607
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: never mind the names, it seems as if they're going

608
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: to do more of that come this season. For whatever

609
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 2: that's worth, that was pretty obvious.

610
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: I can't help but think the ceiling is lowering with

611
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: each successive week, which it's like, I don't know in

612
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: terms like what you're able to do after going to

613
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: a national championship game and then you're out a defensive coordinator,

614
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: you lose key transfers. There isn't a lot of offensive

615
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: pop last year. It's now what a Josh Hoover team, right, Like, Man,

616
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: there seemed like there was a window to capitalize. They

617
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: go five and seven last season. It's a bad year,

618
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: and it's understandable. Right, you have a lot of upperclassmen,

619
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: like you catch magic, catch magic lightning in a bottle.

620
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: You find that magic pixie dust with a lot of

621
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: experienced players in your first year. I don't know, Man,

622
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I think that window is like all but closed. And

623
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: I like Andy Apolos as a defensive coordinator. I thought

624
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: that was a pretty savvy higher. I think that's a

625
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: savvy higher. But it just it feels like the juice

626
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: is drained out of fort Worth. I'm not sold in

627
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Josh Hoover. And he's fine. I think all these guys

628
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: are fine, but given those heights.

629
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: Fine is not what you're looking for as a follow

630
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: up back to making the National Championship, right, I.

631
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: Mean esp like the excite, like whatever you want to

632
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: say about Max Dugget's not an NFL quarterback, right, I

633
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: think I have no idea. Maybe he is, but TC

634
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: had juice tease, You had juice with him end of games,

635
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: like he was willing that team down the field. They

636
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: were a really great story a couple of years ago,

637
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: and it's amazing to see that sort of fade into

638
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: the ether.

639
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: The other thing that was interesting on the UCLA front

640
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: to me, Dan, I don't know if it was so

641
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: much about the game as it was vibes. This is

642
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: a vibes game for UCLA because Deshaun Foster, new coach,

643
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: moved the spring game to the Rose Bowl. They had

644
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: something close to twelve thousand in attendance. Like I guess,

645
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: Ethan Garber's look good. But across the board, the main

646
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: thing that seemed to come through, and most of the

647
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: recaps that I read, even in some of the highlights

648
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: that I watched, wasn't as much about the scrimmage as

649
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: it was about just the vibes.

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Speaker 1: Like moving it to the Rose Ball.

651
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Speaker 2: Some of the players are commenting, now it feels like

652
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Speaker 2: LA is behind the Bruins again, whatever that means to you.

653
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Speaker 1: They moved the game to the Rose Bulls. That was

654
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Speaker 1: fun in and of itself. Okay, As for TC, what

655
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Speaker 1: the defense is now, obviously the last few days without Dominic,

656
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Speaker 1: it's a dominic, even though it's an a in the

657
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Speaker 1: second dominic Williams, I think the defensive tackle it looks

658
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Speaker 1: like he's heading to Texas. I think. I don't think

659
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Speaker 1: anything is official, but that's the word, and they're sort

660
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Speaker 1: of thin in that department. The Longhorns are Maryland. I

661
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Speaker 1: have nothing to add, but they've been knocking on the

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Speaker 1: door past couple of years with their games against not

663
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Speaker 1: Penn State, but Michigan and Ohio State. And so hopefully

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Speaker 1: it works out for them at quarterback and gets better

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Speaker 1: along the lines, because it seems like they're in a

666
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Speaker 1: position to put, you know, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of fear into the hearts of both Michigan and Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: A so some other names here.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned Delan Royola and yeah, yeah, a couple of

670
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Speaker 2: these other guys, but just some other names that popped

671
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Speaker 2: across the board for West. For West Virginia, Zay Jennings

672
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Speaker 2: is a freshman defensive back and early enrollie who picked

673
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Speaker 2: off a two point conversion ran it the other way.

674
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Speaker 2: He is a burner, figures to play some role, as

675
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Speaker 2: does maybe Clay ash who also as a freshman and

676
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: showed some burst as both a runner and a pass

677
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Speaker 2: catcher coming out of the backfield. So we'll be interested

678
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Speaker 2: to see how or if those two guys are used.

679
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Speaker 1: You're saying early and roly, but not a reclassifying correct Okay,

680
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Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

681
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: On the Colorado front, they had their games in rain,

682
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: terrible weather, but lejentte Wester, the Fau transfer, was the

683
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: go to guy for some period of time for Shador

684
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: and seemed to fit in pretty well with that receiver room,

685
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: which is a pretty good receiver room, definitely, so we'll

686
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Speaker 2: see what kind of factor he plays this coming season.

687
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Speaker 2: There is also a quarterback battle underway that I probably

688
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Speaker 2: should have included in my three interesting things about spring.

689
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Speaker 1: At Rutgers. It's Gavin Wimsat and eighthan calliac Manus the

690
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Speaker 1: great Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And it's a really interesting dynamic because

692
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Speaker 2: Gavin Wimsat's a runner. I mean, he's fine as a passer,

693
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Speaker 2: but especially in the spring game, he showed his wheels

694
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Speaker 2: and can run. Eighth and kliak Man is much better

695
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Speaker 2: as a passer. Which direction they end up going with

696
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Speaker 2: this I think will be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Wimsat was there last year, but caliak Man is the

698
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Speaker 1: transfer from Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what he brings to bear. The only other

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Speaker 2: guy slash guys that I'll call out here since Wazoo

701
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: unfortunately has been in this death spiral of getting all

702
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Speaker 2: negative press by virtue of what went down the Pac

703
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Speaker 2: twelve Wayshawn Parker, freshman running back, looked really good, really

704
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Speaker 2: explosive in the spring game their quarterback battle. Can you

705
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Speaker 2: name the two guys that are currently in engaged in

706
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Speaker 2: the Washington State quarterback battle without look?

707
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Speaker 1: Cannot? I cannot?

708
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: It is a fight to the death between John Matteir

709
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Speaker 2: and Zvi Eckhouse.

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Speaker 1: Those are real names. Those are real names. Oh okay, Well,

711
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Speaker 1: may the best man win, the best man win. Yeah,

712
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Speaker 1: that's all I got. That's all I got in the

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Speaker 1: spring front. Okay, where are we going next?

714
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Speaker 2: We can go through and talk about other Spring action

715
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Speaker 2: as we get a little bit deeper into the month

716
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Speaker 2: of May, but for now, if we're looking specifically at

717
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Speaker 2: what transpired this past weekend, those are my takeaways.

718
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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.

719
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Speaker 2: Our final bit here on today's episode comes via our friend,

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Speaker 2: our good friend Matt Brown, who is due for a

721
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Speaker 2: repeat visit at some point soon. We tried to do

722
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: it two weeks ago, had conflicting schedules. We're going to

723
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: work that out to bring him back and talk through

724
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Speaker 2: what's going on in college football. But there has been,

725
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: as you might expect now as we're about to turn

726
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Speaker 2: the calendar into the month of May, a lot of

727
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: speculat as to who is going to be on the

728
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Speaker 2: cover of this damn video game.

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Speaker 1: Video game isn't for everybody.

730
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Speaker 2: If you're not into it, we understand, but this is

731
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Speaker 2: a big deal that hasn't been a game in a decade.

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Speaker 1: Who are they going to put on the cover? Now?

733
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Speaker 2: For those watching at home, I've got my copy of

734
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: NCLA Football fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Which is worth like what one hundred and ten dollars

736
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Speaker 1: you can get for it on eBay? Something crazy? I

737
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Speaker 1: could get.

738
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Speaker 2: Something for it, Yeah, on eBay, probably triple digits on eBay.

739
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Speaker 2: Dinard Robinson was on the cover of that deservingly. So

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Speaker 2: Matt has been making calls and doing some reporting on

741
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Speaker 2: who is going to be on the cover of this version.

742
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Speaker 2: And I think it's really interesting and I think we

743
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Speaker 2: can play a little game here to wind down this episode.

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Speaker 1: For is it kirk herb Street's Dog? Is that where

745
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: they landed they should put Herbie's Dog? We should have

746
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Speaker 1: more of Kirk Herbstreet's Dog. All the content should be

747
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Speaker 1: never ending? Are you?

748
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Speaker 2: Are you of the conspiratorial mindset that Kirk is showing

749
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Speaker 2: his dog more because he's been catching flak from so

750
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Speaker 2: many fan bases like, oh, it's like a pr campus

751
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: in some way to warming humanize him the way they're

752
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: doing with Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook. Frankly like, is this?

753
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Speaker 2: Are you of that conspiratorial mindset?

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I don't have an opinion

755
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Speaker 1: of kirkhurk Street's dog, and I don't believe I will

756
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Speaker 1: ever have an opinion. It seems like a dog. I

757
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: like dogs. I like Kirk hurb Street. That's my opinion

758
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Speaker 1: of the whole. I'm a big Ben fan. I just

759
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Oh are you a Golden Retriever.

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Speaker 2: Golden tri Okay, he's only four goldens. I'm now a

761
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Speaker 2: dog guy. I didn't think this is what happened to me.

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Speaker 1: But all I can tell is that dog lives a

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Speaker 1: more luxurious life than I ever will, flying private across

764
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Speaker 1: this great land. Love it, love it. But that's that's

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Speaker 1: neither here nor there. That was just the most random

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Speaker 1: college football figure I could think of that could appear

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Speaker 1: on the cover.

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Speaker 2: Here is what Matt reported via his Extra Points newsletter

769
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Speaker 2: earlier today when he sent it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a few bullet points. I'm going to read these

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Speaker 1: offer batim.

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Speaker 2: One, there are multiple cover athletes since EA is releasing

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Speaker 2: multiple versions of the video game.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean multiple versions of the game.

775
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Speaker 2: I guess for different consoles. I guess maybe just they're

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Speaker 2: going to release different covers. They've made the decision to

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Speaker 2: release different covers.

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Speaker 1: Two.

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Speaker 2: Each cover athlete is a current college football player who

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Speaker 2: plays in a different power conference. There was plenty of

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Speaker 2: Internet speculation that the cover athlete could potentially be a

782
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Speaker 2: coach like Nick Saban or any number of athletes have

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Speaker 2: played during the years of the games were not released,

784
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Speaker 2: i e. Previous Heisman winners, or even fans and mascots

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Speaker 2: i e.

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Speaker 1: The Oregon Duck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah those were reasonable guesses. But I've been told, not me,

788
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Speaker 2: this is Matt. Matt's been told that the athletes will

789
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Speaker 2: be current athletes, people you will see play actual college

790
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Speaker 2: football this season. Now here's the twist. Here's the twist,

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Speaker 2: and here's why we're going to play a game. The

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Speaker 2: athletes all play different positions, which means there will only

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Speaker 2: be one quarterback, one running back, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Got it.

795
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Speaker 2: So multiple versions of the game, multiple covers. Each athlete

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Speaker 2: is a current athlete who plays in a different power conference,

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Speaker 2: and there's only one per position. So Dan, if you

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Speaker 2: are ever so inclined, Yeah, would you like to have

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Speaker 2: your cover athlete draft here to close out this episode?

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Speaker 1: I would love to. I also think, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the amount or the percentage ratio

802
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: breakdown of people who buy the physical disc version versus

803
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: buying the downloadable streaming version right and you just download

804
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: it to a hard drive right within the console. Correct,

805
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: So technically speaking, the cover athlete takes on a different

806
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Speaker 1: meaning because not everybody is going to have the physical

807
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: disc and the physical packaging. That's correct. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what the actual breakdown is? It's like seventy percent streaming.

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00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: I could not tell you. Okay, do you do streaming

810
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Speaker 1: or do you have the physical copies when you buy games?

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: I have downloaded the version of pretty much every game

813
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Speaker 2: I've gotten for the last at least five years now.

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Speaker 1: So So where does like who's on the cover of

815
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Speaker 1: FIFA this year? I think it's Mbope Bopy so it's

816
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Speaker 1: some huge name. So if you have the streaming version,

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Speaker 1: where does himbape if it isn't bope appear like on

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Speaker 1: the welcome screen the welcome screen. Yeah, so why couldn't

819
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Speaker 1: we just pick our own? Like why couldn't we actually

820
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Speaker 1: pick our own instead of playing this game? Like why

821
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Speaker 1: can't I just put like Marcus Harper who starts at

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Speaker 1: left guard for Oregon, who's not at all famous, but like, hey,

823
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Speaker 1: that's cool, I'm gonna make like a hipster Oregon duck choice,

824
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Speaker 1: Like why couldn't they just use some sort of AI

825
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Speaker 1: tool to make it so anybody could be a dude,

826
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Speaker 1: This is way above my pay grade. I have no idea. No,

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Speaker 1: I need an answer from you, specifically with bullet points

828
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Speaker 1: as to why or why not I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, or like, why can't I put Trindon Holiday

830
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Speaker 1: on the cover of or College Football twenty twenty five

831
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Speaker 1: five foot six or whatever Vunderkin or Douce Vawn somebody

832
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Speaker 1: like this is like crazy likable from college football years

833
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Speaker 1: of Laura. I know I'm getting far afield of the

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Speaker 1: point of this conversation, but I'm saying we should be

835
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Speaker 1: able to pick our own.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, we can run that one up the

837
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Speaker 2: chain and see if there are any options for you.

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Speaker 2: But in the interim, Dan, yeah, we have a game

839
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Speaker 2: of foot. The game is this, You got to pick

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Speaker 2: four guys, four guys for your four covers. We're going

841
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Speaker 2: to assume they're four covers because there are four power conferences.

842
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: You can pick a Notre Dame guy if you want to.

843
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: I think Notre Dame would be eligible in this situation.

844
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame would be eligible, and frankly, a Notre Dame

845
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Speaker 2: guy for the ACC might be the only way to go.

846
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: But you need one guy from the Big Ten, the SEC,

847
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: the Big twelve, and the ACC slash Notre Dame. Yeah,

848
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Speaker 2: all four of those guys need to play different positions.

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Speaker 2: So here's why this is interesting, and will you tell

850
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: me your reasoning going into it. Yeah, here's what makes

851
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: this interesting because if you burn a position in say

852
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: the SEC, you can't use that position in another conference.

853
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Speaker 2: So I went back and forth on who do I

854
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: want to use at quarterback? Because who you use at

855
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: quarterback dictates who you're going to use everywhere else.

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00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: Right, So if you are to pick Shador Sanders, then

857
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: the Big twelve is spoken for and you can't pick

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Speaker 1: another quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if I am making my picks. If

860
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Speaker 2: I'm making my picks, the most obvious question to ask

861
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Speaker 2: is who is the biggest star? Who is the biggest

862
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Speaker 2: most marketable star going into twenty twenty four college football?

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Speaker 1: Is it Shadoor the biggest and most marketable star going

864
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Speaker 1: into this season? Who is that guy? I think it's

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders. We're still at the tail end of players

866
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: getting like fourteen years of about eligibility. So like Dju

867
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: has been around for a while and he's at a

868
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: big place, but I don't think he's considered to be

869
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: a star, perhaps in the way the other players are. No,

870
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: but his name has resonated and he's been around at

871
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: big places. Who is the biggest star this year? It's

872
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: it's a power conference player at a major place that's

873
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: a household name. It's it could be Shador. Sure, here

874
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: are my picks, all right?

875
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: Quinn yours I think is up there. Probably Quinn Ewers

876
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 2: might be. But again, if I picked Shador, I can't

877
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: pick quin. Youres in the sec. No.

878
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: I know what I'm saying is just in terms of

879
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: star power going into the twenty twenty four season. You

880
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: need somebody who's been around for a while, probably somebody

881
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: was a big time recruit, and certainly somebody who is

882
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: at a pretty major place that is getting network TV attention.

883
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: So that's why Quinn yours is in that conversation.

884
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: My pick for the Big twelve is Shador Sanders. Okay,

885
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: Chador is going on the cover. If I'm taking a

886
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: quarterback there, I think that means I have to take

887
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: other positions elsewhere. My pick in the SEC is Luth Burden,

888
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: good wide receiver, black and gold theme. So far, yeah,

889
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: black and gold theme. I would very much be inclined

890
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 2: to go Carson Beck, to go Quinn.

891
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: Viewers.

892
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: There are a number of guys you could justify picking

893
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: in the SEC. But if I'm burning the quarterback on

894
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: the Big twelve, then I think we go Luther Burden

895
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: in the SEC. Okay, then that opens up the question

896
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: of Big ten. Can't use quarterback, can't use wide receiver.

897
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: I think you also have to go Michigan in the

898
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: Big ten because.

899
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: Michigan to do anything you don't want to tie.

900
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: This is my logic, Okay, Okay, I am trying to

901
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: think like a marketing professional.

902
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a marketing professional. I'm doing my best.

903
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: I think you gotta go Michigan because Michigan has won

904
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: the Big Ten each of the last three years, obviously

905
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: reigning national champion. Far be it from me to not

906
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: put a Michigan guy on the cover. I don't think

907
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: you're putting Alex Orgy on the cover. Dan, I just

908
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 2: don't think you're doing it. I think it comes down, well,

909
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be Donovan Edwards. Okay, I

910
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: think I go Donovan Edwards as my Big Ten guy.

911
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: Maybe case be made for Will Johnson.

912
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: But or Mason Graham and we're talking about a preseason

913
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: All American type. Yeah, I think I go Donovan Edwards.

914
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Where I struggle is in the ACC. Okay,

915
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: who is the.

916
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: Most marketable player in the ACC that is not a quarterback,

917
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 2: a running back or wide receiver?

918
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: Uh? What's his name? The end at Louisville. I mean

919
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: nobody knows. Is I just literally punted on his name,

920
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: but I know they have an end to it. Like

921
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: eleven Sacks last year. It's a good question. Or do

922
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: we go a Notre Dame guy here? I've got one.

923
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: How about ruben Bain at Miami. He completely dominated as

924
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: a freshman. He's got an iconic uniform. It's got a

925
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: great look, big and strong, looks like a superhero. I

926
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't hate that ruben Bain would be my pick in

927
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: the ACC given your specific constraints with your picks, Rubin Bain,

928
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: do you hate that? I think ruben Bain is becoming

929
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: more and more a household name. It's the best player

930
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: on what will be a good defense. I think.

931
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: I kept trying to think of who's the Florida State

932
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: or Clemson player that we could put on this cover

933
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: because Shador has got named brand power, right, Luther Burden

934
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: is probably going to be the top wide receiver in

935
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: college football this year. Certainly in that conversation, Donovan Edwards

936
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 2: maybe the best offensive player for the reigning national champion,

937
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: the ACC. Though the ACC's wide open.

938
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Peter Woods is excellent for Clemson. But Peter

939
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: Woods is a defensive tackle who is going to pop

940
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: and be a huge pick, but he's not a national

941
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: name as of this now. I think ruben Bain, I

942
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: think flashed more in terms of generating attention last year.

943
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: Would would you like to make some picks. I have

944
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: different constraints. I actually have a rubric that I'm adhering to,

945
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: Unlike you, who's just like who's the most famous. I

946
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: think there's integrity here at Okay, I'm not picking a

947
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: player whose team is new to a conference like I

948
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: don't think Colorado should represent the Big Twelve before they

949
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: play a Big twelve game out July nighth played many

950
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: Big Twelve games. Dan this current you know what I'm

951
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: talking about. They're going back to it. If you want

952
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: to look, if you want to put a Colorado player

953
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: from two thousand and six on the cover, right, if

954
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: you want to put Cordell Stewart on the cover, I'm

955
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: fine with that, all right, But no, I Shoudruorg Sanders

956
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: has never played a Big twelve game, so I don't

957
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: think he deserves to represent the conference. Who are you?

958
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: I would say, Olli Gordon or Devin Neil to me?

959
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: Did Alli Gordon leave lead the nation in rushing last year?

960
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: I believe so.

961
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: Ali Gordon's a fantastic pick. He's also I believe one

962
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: of the EA sports preferred athletes. Remember we talked about

963
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: that in the previous episode.

964
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: Hmm. I did think about maybe going Ali Gordon in

965
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, but iconic uniform depete on the cover

966
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: of a video game would be great.

967
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: The problem with going Ali Gordon in the Big twelve

968
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: is you can't go Shador and you can't go Travis Hunter.

969
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: You're not going to get either of those guys on

970
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: a cover. Neither has played a Big twelve game. Okay,

971
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: all right enough, I think there's integrity to this selection

972
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: and stein working as I won't take an organ player

973
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: to represent the Big Ten. Okay, who I won't take

974
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: a cow player like you're desperate to do to represent

975
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: the ACC. All right, who are you taking in the SEC? Then?

976
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I think Luther Burden is a really good choice. Yeah,

977
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: there are great players in the SEC, like I would consider.

978
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of quarterbacks in the SEC. Though, if

979
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: you don't go quarterback in the SEC, you're going to quarterback.

980
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: You're either of the Big Ten or the ACC. Which

981
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: quarterback would you take in the SEC? Probably Carson Beck

982
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: or quin yours one or the other. I would take

983
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: quin Yours because that violates my rule, so then I

984
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: would probably go Carson Beck. I think Carson Beck is

985
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: a good choice. There is something about Georgia being better

986
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: defined by its defense lately. That would have me lean

987
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: like Malachi Starks or Nazir Stackhouse or Mikhal Williams, guys

988
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, look, Dan, look at the cover

989
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: I'm holding up. I understand this is under what the

990
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: point of the game is.

991
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: Denard Robinson captured every college football fans attention I know

992
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: when he was playing. So, with all due respect to

993
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: Nazir Stackhouse, no he's not getting a cover.

994
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I think Luther Burtn's a really good choice.

995
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: But the problem is, I don't know you have all

996
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: these brands in the SEC that you do want to

997
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: represent something bigger like I honestly, in terms of star Pas,

998
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: in terms of a uniform that I'd love to see

999
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: on the cover, I might go Harry Perky for the SEC.

1000
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good choice, right, not Harry Perky. I

1001
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: did think about Harold Perkins.

1002
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: I'll go Harold Perkins. I think that's fun and defining

1003
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: of the SEC. Now last year was a little bit disappointing,

1004
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: but even still so, if I go Harold Perkins Ollie

1005
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: Gordon for running back and defensive player, you could really

1006
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: open up the playbook here, So I've got quarterback and

1007
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: receiver for ACC and Big Ten. Yep. I was disappointed

1008
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: that it's only Power Conferences because I kind of want

1009
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: to see Ashton gent All involved with Razor Blades on

1010
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: the cover. But that's me personally quarterback in the Big Ten.

1011
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: There's not really a good answer. Gabriel Man, Dylan Gabriel.

1012
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: That's right there for no, But that doesn't it. That

1013
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: goes against my rule. New Big Ten team. You're not

1014
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: gonna put Drew Aller on the cover, are you. I

1015
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: don't think I can put Drew. I don't think in

1016
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: alex Orgy. I. By the way, neither Alex Orgy nor

1017
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: Will Howard have started games for their respective team. So

1018
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm also keeping transfers off. Yeah, because I don't think

1019
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: you should represent your team for the first time on

1020
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: the cover of the video game. Okay, it should be

1021
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: the classic way, which is beating up on ut chatnoogers.

1022
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're really limited in yourself, Like what I

1023
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: am limiting myself? What other star quarterbacks are there in

1024
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: the Big Ten? Outside of it doesn't have to be

1025
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: Big Ten.

1026
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: Put Miller Moss in your cover. This is the King

1027
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: of all video games. So why not put Haines King

1028
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: on the cover College Aynes King on for the ACC

1029
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's it's real. No, I'm not putting

1030
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: Miller Moss again, new quarterback to the conference, hasn't started

1031
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: a game, a regular season game for his team. Okay, So,

1032
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: oh man, maybe you.

1033
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: Really want to go for it, maybe the most powerful

1034
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: conference and you can't think of a name.

1035
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: The Big Ten? Well, can I select a defensive player

1036
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: who isn't a defensive lineman? You pick whatever you want,

1037
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: just don't.

1038
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: Pick running back or like an edge rusher, whatever, Harold Perkins.

1039
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: Then I'll go with like Will Johnson Michigan. I like that.

1040
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: I do go with Will Johnson to represent because I look,

1041
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: Caleb Downs might be the best defensive player in the conference.

1042
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: It would to me it would either be like, yeah,

1043
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: if I can't do add rusher, then I can't do

1044
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: like Jack Sawyer or J. T. Tamalu. Right right, So,

1045
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 1: and I'm not doing Caleb Downs because he hasn't played

1046
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: it down for Ohio State yet. So denzil Burke is

1047
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: up there, like they're really good answers all around. Will

1048
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: Johnson for Michigan Harold Perkins, lsu Ollie Gordon and so

1049
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: in the ACC, I can select too a receiver or quarterback. Yeah. God,

1050
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: I gotta remind me kid club Nick. I don't think

1051
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: I can do DJ.

1052
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: You.

1053
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: I know he's play the game, hasn't played a game

1054
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: for Florida State.

1055
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's kind of like the Elder Statesman, him

1056
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: and Dylan Gabriel this year of college football.

1057
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: And I said, Ruben Bain, for you, do you want

1058
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: to go? I'm looking through ACC quarterbacks in this moment,

1059
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: ACC receivers. It's a little rough. You want to go

1060
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: Kien Drones. I would like Kyen Drones. I put Kyen

1061
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: Drones on a cover. That would be fun for me.

1062
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: But this is like I'm I'm going against what EA

1063
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: wants to do in terms of marketability. Cam Ward famous

1064
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: players hasn't played it down for Miami, Okay, like Xavior

1065
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: Ristreppo for Miami. God, come on, yeah, you're reaching a

1066
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: little bit and the ACC is tougher. Just do Riley

1067
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: Leonard Man. I would do you know what I would

1068
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: do because I'm saying that Miami has like the iconic

1069
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: uniform of the iconic look. I would represent Miami in

1070
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: what their identity is? Right now? How about with it?

1071
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: Francis Mauigoa, the starting right tackle. You are not taking

1072
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: this game seriously, don't dr I think football is just

1073
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: more more than just quarterbacks. Your fancy boys. You're not

1074
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: any quarterbacks play all right? What's this? I can't even

1075
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: spell that? Isn't it Francis Mawigo. Isn't that how you

1076
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: pronounce it? I don't know Francis for for Miami. Come on,

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Speaker 1: he's a star. Yeah, Francis Mawigoa, God offensive lineman. They're

1078
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Speaker 1: never they'll never do that. This is terrible. But like

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Speaker 1: the problem though, is with my specific rubric. I'm not

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00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm taking Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, USC all these teams out

1081
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: of it. I know big twelve teams like cam Rising

1082
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: would look great on the cover, but you haven't played

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00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: a big twelve game.

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00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: I don't have an ACC player. I failed the assignment legitimately.

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00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: I gave you two really good Miami Hurricanes.

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00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: You didn't. I can put Ruben Baine on the cover.

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: Why not, They're not. I'm telling you look the best.

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00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even mention maybe the best player in the

1089
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: SEC as a cover athlete. But his name is James Pierce.

1090
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: I think for Tennessee, Tennessee edge rusher tore it up

1091
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: could be like the number three pick, and next year's

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00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: drafted the number one pick. Next year could be the

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. Yeah, if you're going purely, but god,

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm very tedious, Tim, very tedious. I failed

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Speaker 1: my own assignment. I don't have a good name for

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Speaker 1: the ACC. So what position for you in the ACC?

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Speaker 1: You could go defense.

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: I've got quarterback, I've got running back, I've got wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: I can go anything else in the ACC. You said quarterback,

1100
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Speaker 1: running back, receiver. No, okay, well, I think there's good

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00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: defensive players in the ACC. I think Ruben Bain is

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: the is the answer there. I'll put Ruben Bain on

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00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: my list. Okay, yes, I'll put him on my list.

1104
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a horrible selection. I think it's a

1105
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: horrible pick. I'm looking about marketability in the ACC, and

1106
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't any defense. No, come on, no, no, I'm

1107
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: out on what about so? Okay, man, Yeah, that's tough.

1108
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: That's tough. It's uh Ashton jilot by the way, I

1109
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: think it's how you pronounce it. Yeah, for Louisville. But yeah,

1110
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: I think remains bigger name. Right in soliverbo at Gmail, doc,

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00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: this is the most pro Miami I've ever been on

1112
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: this show. Say the hell's going on here? Man? Yeah?

1113
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: Gosh, all right, right in Silverbot gmail dot com, let

1114
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Speaker 2: us know who would be your fearsome forsome.

1115
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: Now sort of to play devil's advocate to my own rules,

1116
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: what's more representative about college football in twenty twenty four

1117
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty five than transfers and trail line portals? Yeah,

1118
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, realignment like Utah Big twelve whatever and

1119
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: portal guys. Right, So Dylan Gabriel on Oregon or Grace

1120
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: McCall at NC State or any of those Will Howard

1121
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, like all of those names actually make

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00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: sense on a certain level because it is representative of

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Speaker 1: the times. No, I think that's absolutely the case. But

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Speaker 1: I just believe in a little little stickiness to uh

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Speaker 1: to these programs representing conferences and players representing programs. That's all.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll go.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go like Ben Morrison or Xavier Watts for

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame. From my acc, I go Xavier Watts. How

1129
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Speaker 2: about that?

1130
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Speaker 1: I have no like who is who is the most

1131
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: famous Notre Dame player right now? Who has played for

1132
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: Notre Dame? Who has played for Notre Dame? Yeah, because

1133
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: not Riley Leonard probably, I mean famous? Is it Howie Cross?

1134
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: Howard Cross the third? It's pretty good, he's up there,

1135
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: you know what? Like CJ. Carr hasn't played for him?

1136
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Speaker 2: Xavier Watts was incredible and so I think he I.

1137
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: Think exactly how Cross that has played for that.

1138
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: Ben Morrison has been has been really solid.

1139
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Speaker 1: Wait Holm last year, Benjamin Harrison Foreign President. I don't know, man,

1140
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Speaker 1: what a game?

1141
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Speaker 2: Soliderbot gmail dot com right and sending your suggestions here?

1142
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: Uh we added some perhaps unnecessary rules to this game.

1143
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Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely did, like very much.

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Speaker 2: Welcome anyone's feedback across email or any of our social channels.

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Speaker 1: I think he was State's most famous player, is it? Aler?

1146
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter? I think I think Abdul Carter is probably

1147
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: the best pound for pound, the best player on the

1148
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: either him or Nick Singleton. But Aler's got the name,

1149
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 1: so yeah, I would think abdul Carter is the best

1150
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: representative right now of Penn State football. All Right, that

1151
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Speaker 1: does it?

1152
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: Hopefully some news you can use here on today's episode.

1153
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Speaker 2: As we push forward into the month of May, we

1154
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Speaker 2: have all sorts of fun concepts lined up for you

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Speaker 2: to hopefully get things rolling.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Once we get into the latter half of May, things

1158
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: start rolling downhill. The season gets awfully big in the window.

1159
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Speaker 2: I have not updated my official day counter to see

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Speaker 2: where things stand how soon college football will be back

1161
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: among us, But needless to say, it's getting a little

1162
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: bit bigger in the window now that we've turned the

1163
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: corner on the NFL Draft and spring football. The month

1164
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Speaker 2: of May is always a weird time, but as we

1165
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 2: get into June, that's when things really start to churn.

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01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,600
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01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,920
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Speaker 2: that is all I got.

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Speaker 1: All I've been doing is picturing Trindon Holidays a cover

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Speaker 1: athlete since we began this conversation. Worries that would be.

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Speaker 2: For that guy over there, My good friend Dan Rubinstein

1175
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: from myself, Tie Hilton Brand. Thanks for downloading, for listening,

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01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: for supporting what we do. We will talk to you

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Speaker 2: all on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,