1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Rashaan MacDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass continues online at Moneymakingconversations 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: dot com and follow money Making Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, Twitter, 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: and Instagram. 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: Manekus the nationally recognized leader and labor relations for more 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: than twenty five years of experience across law, government and 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: corporate America. Currently serving as Labor Relations Council as Starbucks. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: Patrese Advisor, the Executive leadership O Complex Labor Relations Strategies, 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: insurance compliance which is very important with evolving labor laws, 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: and develop proactive people center solutions to strengthen workplace culture 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: and performance. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Patrese Miller, Hi, 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: Domus Miller. 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: I'm doing amazing. Thank you so much for having me. 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: I am super excited to be here. 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: Labor relations what does that mean? 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: Labor relations deals with all of the compliance issues federal 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: and state regulations that companies are required to adhere to, 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: so making sure that companies are in compliance with those 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: regulations and making sure that they're maintaining good compliance with 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: their employee relations and the relationships with their employees. 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: Now get these signs in my company, Tell to put 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: these on the walls so your employees can hear that. 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: Is that what we're talking about when we say labor relations. 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: Sure, that's one part of it. So the poster requirement 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 3: is one part or one aspect of employee and labor relations, 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: but it all kind of feeds into the general trend 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 3: of making sure that the employer's workforce is well educated 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: and well protected, and that's something that the federal and 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: state government are very much aligned with, so making sure 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: employers are doing that, and the posters are definitely one 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: of those categories that they. 32 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: Do that as well. 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Now let's talk about that's labor relations. So 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: what is the difference between in labor relations and human resources? 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: Can you answer that? 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: Sure? So, human resource is going to be the umbrella, 37 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: if you will, so it will also encompass benefits as 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: well as you know, leaves, PTO and all those great things. 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: Labor relations instead gets to the heart of the actual 40 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: employment relations between the employer and the employee and the 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: work assignments, the work conditions, and things in that nature. 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 2: So basically you're making sure it's set up correctly for 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: the humor relations human resource person can do their job. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it. Excellent. 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: Yes, So basically, when I have a complaint, I'm not 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: gonna talk totries Miller. I'm gonna go to my human 47 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: resources person correct, and if it's not set up correctly, 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: then they're going to go to you correct. 49 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: Yes. 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: Yes, And our goal is looking at this through a 51 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 3: proactive lens instead of a reactive lens. We want to 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: get out in front of things and making sure that 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 3: workplaces are compliant as far as the laws and regulations concerned, 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: and making sure that the workforce is being treated fair 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: and equitable by employers. 56 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that, because there's so many different 57 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: I hear the world, right, the work stayed there, some 58 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: place you can go where you can tell somebody where 59 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: was an immediate or firing or or layoff. There is 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: a process to it. Tell us exactly what is the 61 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: right way to downsize your company? 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: The right way is number one, making sure that you're 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: in compliance with federal and state regulations, but also making 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: sure that you're even in compliance with your own policies. 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: Sometimes organizations will implement policies and procedures or handbooks, if 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: you will, and they're not following their own guidelines. So 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: one of the most important things that an employer and 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: an organization can do is maintaining consistency. Maintaining consistency and 69 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: not only how they're treating their workers, but also in 70 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: those unfortunate times when downsizing is necessary and unable to 71 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: be avoided, making sure that they're being consistent in that 72 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: process as well and equitable and fairly treating employers employees 73 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: throughout that process. 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: You know, one of the big moves is this new 75 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: administration was layoff government layoffs. Now, when people are layoff, 76 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: what is the role of the company to the person 77 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: that they are laying off? Is there are certain responsibility 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: that they should adhere to to respect the person you're 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: laying off. Is there a notification period? How is that handled? 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: Yes, and you're speaking to someone who was actually a 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: federal employee for ten years. I served ten years with 82 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: the federal government with the Department of Labor. So this 83 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: is a topic that's very near and dear to my heart. 84 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: I have many friends who are still in the federal workforce. 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: So I believe that companies definitely have a level of 86 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: responsibilities to their employees. This actually is outlined in the 87 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: laws as well. There are certain companies based upon their 88 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: size and based upon you know, the actual they produce 89 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: or the industry that they're in their regulations as far 90 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: as the notice that they're required to give in that regard. 91 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: But I think outside of even the federal and state rules, 92 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: I think it's just a matter of being transparent as 93 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 3: transparent as possible with employees and letting them know and 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: keeping them abreast of what's going on in the company 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 3: so that these things don't come as a blind signing 96 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: moment to employees. Because it's rough enough if you're experiencing that, 97 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: but then if you're kept in the dark and have 98 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: no idea that these things are coming, I think it's 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 3: ten times even worse. 100 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: Let's talk about this Coatris Meiler, your experience in labor 101 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: relations and over the years my show is about small 102 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: business owners, entrepreneurs, and so that relationship is a lot 103 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: more intimate. You know, you're in a big corporation ice 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: world for IBM. If you work for the government, you 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: start laying out people basically the decision making person that's 106 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: making that decision. It's not even closed to the person 107 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: that they're laying off. How does a p in these 108 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: intimate environments deal with it, Well, I. 109 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: Think it's the understanding that companies and business models are 110 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: constantly evolving, and so because of that, I think employers 111 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: as well as employees need to understand that there are 112 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: going to be uncertain times that's unavoidable. But instead, what's 113 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: most important is how the employer handles it with a 114 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: certain level of decency and respect with employees, and most importantly, 115 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: having employees protect themselves and understanding that their job is 116 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: their assignment. However, their personal brand is their identity, and 117 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: I think sometimes there's a blurring of the lines, which 118 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: rightfully so we're all human. I've done it myself, so 119 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: it feels deeply personal when you are laid off or 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: there's you know, a reduction in force, you feel as 121 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: though you have personally suffered a loss or that you 122 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: personally have had a failure. However, it's all about aligning 123 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: your gifts and your strategies with your personal brand that 124 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: helps you to be able to pivot in the event 125 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: these things happen. 126 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: Well, let's do that with the personal brand talk, because 127 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: when I first started out looking for a job, I 128 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: didn't have social media, I didn't have a LinkedIn account, 129 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: which is personal branding. What value is LinkedIn to personal branding? 130 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: As a labor relations person, do you see that as 131 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: valuable or should somebody pull back and then let the 132 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: system work for you? 133 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: LinkedIn is an extremely valuable tool for establishing your personal brand. 134 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: It's all about making sure that who you say you 135 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: are is reflective in your online presence. So I'll give 136 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: you an example. I'll apply it to my actual career. 137 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: I had a job previously at Microsoft, so my job 138 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: was director of HR Compliance and Microsoft. However, my personal 139 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: brand was that I'm a trusted labor and relations expert 140 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: who helps organizations resolve complex workplace issues, ensure compliance, and 141 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: build cultures of accountability and fairness. So I'm lending my 142 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: talents to Microsoft for that job assignment, but at all 143 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: times I am that expert. So when that assignment ends, 144 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: my personal brand does not end. I instead will pivot 145 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: and find a new assignment, or perhaps even in between assignments, 146 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: find opportunities where I can showcase my talents and my 147 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: personal brands to bring me revenue during those in between jobs, 148 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: but also to keep myself in alignment with my online presence. 149 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 2: So if I was talking to my staff, my employees, 150 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: each one of them, that we have weekly meetings, they 151 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: should all have lated in accounts. They should all be 152 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: building a personal brand, putting some of the work that 153 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: they're doing, some of the skills that they're developing, acknowledging 154 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: that that is growth for their personal brand, which has 155 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: value if they leave my company or they stay with 156 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: my company. That's personal brand building. That's what you're talking about, correct. 157 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And you could even do that even when 158 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 3: your current job is not in alignment with your personal brand. 159 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: I'll give you another example. When I first started off, 160 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of your audience members can relate 161 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: to this. I was a young single parent and I 162 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: started off in college. I was working at a video store. 163 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: I started developing my personal brand. Now they didn't have 164 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: LinkedIn back then, but I started developing my personal brand, 165 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: and my online and my in person presence never matched 166 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: the fact that I stacked videos on a shelf. I 167 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: was very much about building that personal brand for becoming 168 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: who I wanted to be, who I wanted to be perceived. 169 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: And that's how I showed up that job at the 170 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: video store. That was my maintenance job. I paid my rent, 171 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: I paid my bills. And that's why I always advise 172 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: people never leave your maintenance job too soon. If that's 173 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: paying your bills and it's necessary by all means, continue that, 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: but don't feel that you need to wait until you're 175 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: actually in the brand and in the position to start 176 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: building your personal brand. 177 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 178 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: I thought it was important to bring you on my 179 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: show called Trise Miller because of, you know, the unemployment 180 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: numbers that are out there now, the layoffs that are 181 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: out there now, and people don't know where to go. 182 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: And I'm speaking to Katrise Miller. She's a nationally recognized 183 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: leader in labor relations with over twenty five years of 184 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: experience across law, government and corporate America. He currently serves 185 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: as labor relations council as Starbucks. Now, let's talk about money. 186 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: Let's talk money. Is money make compans his masterclac Let's 187 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: first talk about being at the job feeling like you're underpaid. 188 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: How do you build a case for more money as 189 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: a company that's successful. I'm gonna get to the company 190 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: that's laying off on my next question, let's talk about 191 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: the successful company. Can you build a case for more 192 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: revenue for you personally, How does that work out? 193 00:10:59,720 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: Well? 194 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: See, I think it's not a process that starts. I 195 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: think it's a process that never finishes. I think the 196 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: process is ongoing. You should have an ongoing electronic file, 197 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: whatever your system may be, or maybe a paper file, 198 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: whatever works for you, have an ongoing system where you 199 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: are continuously routing and putting all the great accomplishments that 200 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: you have in that organization. You're detailing them and you're 201 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: filing them away. So this should be an ongoing process 202 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: where you are benchmarking and filing away those those amazing accomplishments, 203 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: those success stories, those partnerships, collaborations that you have, and 204 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: the feedback that you receive from those individuals. So now 205 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 3: when it's time for that salary conversation, you essentially are 206 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: going to that file and reviewing and preparing to make 207 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: your case, not searching for information and support for that 208 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 3: actual case. 209 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: Now, well, just being said a treat companies laying off 210 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: people left and right, did you stay quiet, staying at 211 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: corner mad that you can't walk in there and ask 212 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: for something even though you know additional work is going 213 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: to come on your plate because they land on people. 214 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: And this is once again in a very real situation. 215 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: So the first thing is not to panic. You're not 216 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: panic in these situations, but you need to make sure 217 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: that you are making sure that your work and your 218 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: presence is highly visible and promotable in these uncertain times. 219 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: So that means advocating for yourself, like we talked about 220 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: creating that work history and that file and those lists 221 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: of accomplishments, but also making the proper alignment with people 222 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: who will advocate for you as well. And sometimes we 223 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: need to step outside of kinship and look for mentorship. Now, 224 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: sometimes our mentors may look like our keen people, and 225 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: that's good, that's amazing. But I'll tell you one of 226 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: my greatest mentors at one of the law firms I 227 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: first started with was an older white man who was 228 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: about sixty five years old and I was a young 229 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: black woman coming straight out of undergrad and we developed 230 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: a mentor and mentee relationship and I learned so much 231 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: from him. Now, it was very intimidating working with him 232 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: and approaching him because we had nothing in common, but 233 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: for the fact I wanted to be where he was at. 234 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: So that was enough for me to make that alignment. 235 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: So I think sometimes you know, it's human nature to 236 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: navigate to people who you are familiar with, and that's 237 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: a very important part of the workplace, but stepping outside 238 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: of that and developing those mentorships because those are people 239 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 3: who will often speak volumes about your skills and your 240 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: talent in rooms when you're not even present, and that's 241 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: what you need in these days and times. 242 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more 243 00:13:51,679 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making 244 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: Conversations Masterclass, hosted by Rashaan McDonald. 245 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: You're doing legal counsel for Starbucks, a major corporation, and 246 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: work for Microsoft as a minority. How do we get 247 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: rid of these peers or how do we create these relations? 248 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: I think it is somewhat self inflicted, but let's be honest, 249 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: this is very much industry inflicted because I believe that minorities, 250 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: women included, have been beaten down to a certain level 251 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: and to the point where we find it hard to 252 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: even recognize our brilliance. But it starts there, recognizing your 253 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: brilliance and not waiting for someone to validate you. I'll 254 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: never forget when I was an undergraduate school and even 255 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: going to law school. I would have classmates in Peers 256 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: great friends who were white males, and they would apply 257 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: for jobs that they met like sixty percent of the 258 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: criteria and it thought they were the best thing to 259 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: that job. Whereas sometimes we especially women African American women 260 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: at that, we feel we need to check every single box. 261 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: We need to be one hundred percent the best in 262 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: every category before we even step out into competition or 263 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: step out and put our throw our hat into the 264 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: ring to compete for a job or promotion or things 265 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: like that. So it's understanding, no one's going to validate you. 266 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: You have to validate yourself, and you have to recognize 267 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: your talents and what your strengths are, and you have 268 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: to go on those and go for all those things 269 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: that you want and that you truly do deserve. 270 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: Okay, now we start talking about salaries that how do 271 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: we ask for the right amount of money? 272 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: Katrice Well, First, in salary negotiations, one of the biggest 273 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: mistakes I see is not even having a counter offer. 274 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: And this is when you're actually this is both when 275 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: you're applying for a job and even when you're in 276 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: a salary negotiation for a current job that the promotion 277 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: annual review. We don't even counter at all because we 278 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: feel as though it's viewed as being ungre rateful, or 279 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: that we might even lose the opportunity all together if 280 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: we even mention that we think it should have a 281 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: higher benchmark price. So we need to erase that mindset 282 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: and understand that true business and capitalism is built on negotiations, 283 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: and negotiations are a conversation, is not a confrontation. So 284 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: start with understanding it is okay to negotiate and have 285 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: a counter offer. Now that counter offer needs to be 286 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: based in some level of intelligence and research. Now that's 287 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: the other mistake. Some people will I have no problem 288 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: making the counter offer, but they're pulling it out of nowhere, 289 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: like I even I work with someone. This person was 290 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: basing their counteroffer on how many bills they had. They 291 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: basically did their budget and said I need X amount 292 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: of dollars, hence I want my job to pay me. 293 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: That that is not the equivalent and the math that 294 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: we're going to be doing here. Instead, the research that 295 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: you need to do is you need to number one 296 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: research to industry research, the position research, the location research, competitors, 297 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 3: and there are lots of tools online that are available 298 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: to you, a lot of resources staffing agencies as well 299 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: that can help you with this. So you want to 300 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: go into these negotiations marked with research, real research that 301 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: will validate and support your point. And one great question 302 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: you can always ask is if you see that the 303 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: job description, for example, has a list of duties and 304 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 3: then they say on the higher end, we would prefer 305 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: the applicant to have or the person to have these things, 306 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: these X, Y and z. The question, my ask is 307 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: that what level of pay would you be willing to 308 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: compensate someone who has the additional services or the additional skills, 309 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: and then they give you that amount and the most 310 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: likely that'll be on the higher end. So that's your 311 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 3: advocate and your point for saying, that's why I feel 312 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: I should be placed at the higher end because I 313 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 3: have those higher end skills. Not even personal about you. 314 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: It's about the job description they created and the job 315 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: needs they have you doing, and the skills they're looking 316 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: for that you have and properly negotiating for them. 317 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: Wow, that's important. Now you have a coaching program that 318 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 2: promises expert coaching without the premium price tag. Now, when 319 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: you say coaching, let'st before we get to the program, 320 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: what is coaching that you're referencing And to individuals who 321 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: are listening to my show, what are you coaching? 322 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: So I am a career in business coach, and I 323 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: help individuals maximize their personal brands, their earning potential, and 324 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: build strategies to not just find them a job, but 325 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: to help them launch their careers and develop personal brands 326 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 3: that will withstand job markets. So that's what I do. 327 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: I started off doing this on a one to one 328 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: coaching basis and was very successful doing that. But I 329 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: found a couple problems with that. 330 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: One. 331 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't scalable. I wasn't able to reach as many 332 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: people I. 333 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 4: Wanted to reach. 334 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: This only one of me and I could only see 335 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: so many people in one day. And also I started 336 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 3: to see a trend of people who were in these 337 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 3: layoffs that you mentioned and in these dire situations who 338 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: really needed quality coaching but could not afford the premium price. 339 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: Toad and I myself have been in that situation. I've 340 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: been laid off, i've been downsized, I've gone through all this, 341 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: and I know the level of quality that I wanted, 342 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: but I couldn't quite afford the one on one coaching. 343 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: Now there's a place for that, and that's a great spot, 344 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: and I actually still do some level of one on 345 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 3: one coaching. It's a very curated and various, personalized coaching 346 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: package I offer, but I also offer this for individuals 347 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: who are looking to grow and to not compromise quality 348 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 3: for price. So that's what I'm launching on July first. 349 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 3: I'm currently building its online program, so it'll have all 350 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: the great things from my one on one coaching program 351 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: in the online portals, but in addition to that, I 352 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: will be hosting calls monthly calls to assist them with 353 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 3: interviewing techniques, with job searching strategies. I'm going to have 354 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: templates and approven documents that will system throughout the job process. 355 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: And I'm going to have a twenty four to seven 356 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: support system where they can email questions in and receive 357 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: an answer than twenty four hours to their questions and concerns. 358 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: So it's really building a bridge between the best of 359 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: both worlds and offering it at a very important time 360 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: in our career industry and in the situation that's going 361 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 3: on out there with many people. 362 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: First, well, how do we find that website or is 363 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: it still in the Is there a landing page right 364 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: now where you could go there and submit your email 365 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: address and get information when it launches? What does the 366 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: website address? 367 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, so I encourage you to visit my website. It's 368 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: Corporate Winners dot com www dot Corporate Winners dot com. 369 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 3: And then I at the top of the page there 370 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: is a link for you to sign up for the 371 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 3: waiting list. So I encourage individuals to sign up for 372 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: the waiting list for the July first launch because you 373 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 3: will receive exclusive details information leading up to the launch, 374 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: as well as opportunities that people who are not on 375 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 3: the wait list are not going to have. So just 376 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: visit my website and it will lead you from there. 377 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: A lot of people have been laid off this year, okay, 378 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: which I think that this website is very time laying, 379 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: very necessary because a lot of confusion props up when 380 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: you get laid off. Right, you've been laid off, Can 381 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: you share some of the emotional and how did you 382 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: get back on the hoys or did you see the 383 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: layoff coming and you was able to prepare for it? 384 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 2: Talk to us because people are experiencing exactly what you felt. 385 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: Now, so much of what I teach is rooted in 386 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: what I've experienced, and so you are correct. I have 387 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: gone through this. So my sound advice is to number one, 388 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 3: don't panic. When you operate out of panic in any situation, 389 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: you are not going to have quality results. And panic 390 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: looks like in this area of applying for everything. Let 391 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: me apply for every opportunity. The more resumes and the 392 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: more applications I submit, the better, and you make it 393 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 3: a numbers game and you remove the quality and you 394 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: remove the strategy. So I say, number one, do not panic. 395 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: Number two, you need to do a self assessment. You 396 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 3: need to figure out not just what have I done 397 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: hence your resume, but what have I done is transferable 398 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: to where I want to be. And that's really important 399 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: for our federal workers who have been laid off and 400 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: downsized and reduced and forced from their jobs, because there 401 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: are so many great skills that the federal government teaches 402 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: you or that you are aligned with, that you can 403 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: bring to the corporate world. And I did this myself, 404 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: just not in a layoff situation. I had ten years 405 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: of federal experience. And I found successfully a way to 406 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 3: pivot that and bring it to the corporate world. So 407 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: have that self assessment to figure out what problems do 408 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 3: you solve, what skills do you bring, what's transferable to 409 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: the workforce you want to join, and then proceed with 410 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: confidence and be prepared clarity about knowing who you are, 411 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: what you offer, what problems you solve, and have that 412 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: be your guiding light as you proceed through this process, 413 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 3: understanding it's gonna be rough. I'm not gonna sit here 414 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 3: and lie and say it's easy, but you need to 415 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: make sure you have a mindset that has four things. 416 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: Number One, you need to have the clarity which we 417 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: spoke about. You need to have confidence, confidence in who 418 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: you are and what you bring. Number Three courage so 419 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: when the times get rough, the stats don't add up, 420 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: when everything is saying this is not gonna work, that's 421 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: when the courage kicks in. And then lastly, you need 422 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: to have calm. Calm comes from alignment with your values, 423 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: your personal life and your profession no life and making 424 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: sure that alignment is creates a level of peace for 425 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: you to move forward through this process. Because you cannot 426 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: survive and strive in chaos. 427 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: Now, there are people out there right now at Patrice 428 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: working jobs. They're not happy yet, they don't know how 429 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: to get out. They go to work, they care that 430 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: same negative injury to breaks the launches. They looking at 431 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: the clock on the wall so they can leave as 432 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 2: soon as they're supposed to leave. What are some of 433 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: the three qualities of actionable items or actual call the 434 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: action they can bring to their lives in that format 435 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 2: of nine to five that they really don't want to 436 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: be at. 437 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 3: Well, first, I recommend that you conduct a self audit 438 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: for alignment. You need to ask yourself, what part of 439 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 3: my day energizes me, what part of my day drains me? Really, 440 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: do a self audit to see how you really are 441 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: aligned with the current job that you have. Now, if 442 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: you find that you are actually aligned, you like the job, 443 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 3: You enjoy the job, but perhaps there's some adjustments that 444 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: need to be made in that position. Well, in that case, 445 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: you can even create your own performance plan. You don't 446 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: need your employer to create a performance plan for you. 447 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: Create your own performance plan for setting goals for how 448 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: you want to strive within that organization, and that may 449 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: include volunteering for more high impact projects. Increasing your visibility, 450 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: speaking up at meetings, having that meeting with your supervisor. 451 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: Those are things we're going to do if we decide 452 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: we're properly aligned needing adjustment. But what if we do 453 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: that alignment check and we find out this is not 454 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: where we want to be, this is not proper alignment. 455 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 3: Now that means that, as I said before, we need 456 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 3: to start planning our pivot. We don't leave tomorrow because 457 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 3: we still need to pay the bills, we still need 458 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: to make sure we maintain our current lifestyle. But as 459 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: I said before, you can start branching out and establishing 460 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: that personal brand and doing those networking tools and opportunities 461 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 3: that are going to help you align with getting the 462 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 3: position that you really want and that is more alignment 463 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: with your true value and your goals. So I would 464 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: encourage people to start with that self alignment to see 465 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: is this really the job for you or using a 466 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 3: slump with the job, or is it really time to 467 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: make a pivot and then making a plan for the pivot. 468 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: My friend, very powerful conversation. Can you give us one 469 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: more time? The website your coaching website information to my public. 470 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely it is www dot Corporatewinners dot com. Yeah, all 471 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: social media platforms corporate winners as well. 472 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: And we can go LinkedIn type in Katrise Biller, Yes, yes, 473 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: that's very important because we've talked about LinkedIn a lot 474 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: on this show today, and that's what this is about. 475 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: You know, this is not posting on Instagram and Facebook. 476 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: You're trying to make that employable connection. It really is. LinkedIn. 477 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: It can start tagging people, tagging people who you're trying 478 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: to get in front of. You can also upgrade to 479 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: some premium programs where you can make direct messaging the 480 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: people that you want to get in front of. So 481 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: LinkedIn is a very very valuable tool. But more importantly, 482 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: hearing the truth spoken by an experience veteran of the industry. 483 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: And I say veteran politely because she's no veteran when 484 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking at her. She's fantastic with her experience and 485 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: our ability to communicate and also separating what labor relations 486 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: means and what human resources mean. You're the foundation to 487 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: make humoration human resources functionable. Country Smell. Thank you for 488 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: coming on Money Making Conversation master Class. 489 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 3: Thank you. I enjoyed this time, really enjoyed it. Thank 490 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 3: you so much for having. 491 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: Me appreciate you. 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