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Speaker 2: And what was.

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Speaker 1: Probably the worst overall performance of the Giants season, They

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Speaker 1: fall to the New England Patriots thirty three to fifteen

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Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football, Get me Thing, Everybody, johnsh Belt,

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Speaker 1: Tiki Barber with you here on Giants Extra Point. Giants

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Speaker 1: fall to two and eleven on the season. Patriots improve

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Speaker 1: to eleven and two. Giants heading into their bye week

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Speaker 1: next week. Tiki exceptionally well coached the Newland Patriots. Hats

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Speaker 1: off to Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 3: Why do you say that just because you saw it

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Speaker 3: and as you and I were watching in particularly the

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Speaker 3: second half of this.

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Speaker 2: Game, they dominated, making it look effortless.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like they were actually dominating the New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: They weren't scoring twenty points in the second half. But

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Speaker 3: it never felt like the Giants had any kind of

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Speaker 3: get a two point conversion and it's thirty to fifteen,

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Speaker 3: but it almost felt like the Patriots were saying fine ghost.

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Speaker 2: You never felt they were challenged.

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Speaker 3: Go station to station, go first down by first down,

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Speaker 3: by first down, by first down by first down, get

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Speaker 2: Feel good about yourself.

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Speaker 3: But you're actually helping us because you're crushing the clock.

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Speaker 3: And I was talking about to John how how I

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Speaker 3: watched Mike Vrabel completely master the game clock completely. All right,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna take an extra minute off the clock here.

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Speaker 3: We're just gonna go very slow and yeah, I know whatever.

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Speaker 3: It feels like we're losing here or losing time or

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Speaker 2: It for purpose.

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Speaker 3: It just it felt like a masterclass on how to

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Speaker 3: And that's a testament to Mike Frable because this is

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Speaker 3: how he is. It's his mastery of being a head

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Speaker 3: wonder that he was So it's not a wonder, but

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Speaker 3: it's I mean, it's not a wonder why he was

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Speaker 1: A year without coaching a team is like some type

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Speaker 3: I think maybe because of where he was respect wise,

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Speaker 3: show with Scott. With Scott, basically the reason that Bill

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Speaker 1: And we've learned that Belichick is a little bit sensitive. Well,

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Speaker 3: And when the Patriots kind of selected Gerard Mayo to

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Speaker 3: So this was a great landing spot from Mike vrabel

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Speaker 1: So take he Let's just talk about how he got

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Speaker 1: defeat the Giants on Monday Night Football thirty three to fifteen.

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Speaker 1: And all three phases of the Giants betrayed them in

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Speaker 3: And look, the winning in the NFL is it's obviously

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Speaker 3: don't give him returnable kicks, all that stuff. Just don't

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Speaker 3: make it a function in the game that causes you

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Speaker 3: to lose win. The Giants did both in this in

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Speaker 3: This is we've talked all year. Offense has struggled to

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Speaker 2: The defense has been terrible.

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Speaker 3: They're not aggressive, and Shane Bowen doesn't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: He's too risk averse and conservative and blah blah. I

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Speaker 3: Team stinks now. It's just it's one thing after another

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Speaker 2: But they just look bad, man, they really did.

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Speaker 3: And if you're gonna make a tackle, Timo and Fox,

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a time out. We'll come back

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Speaker 1: talk about the defense and the offense, which were not

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Speaker 1: Patriots thirty three to fifteen. That was tonight's game breakdown,

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Speaker 1: Backyard Giants extra Point, John Schmelch, Tiki Barber Giants faull

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Speaker 1: to two and eleven on the season, they lose to

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Speaker 1: the Patriots thirty three to fifteen. We're waiting Mike Kafkis

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Speaker 1: Britty in health, keep getting better and Tiki. I think

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Speaker 1: I guess culprit number two in this game to me

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Speaker 1: would be the defense. Yeah, you look at the overall

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Speaker 1: yards they allowed through ninety five yards, that's not a

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Speaker 1: big deal. But then when you look at the first half,

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Speaker 1: they gave up two hundred and seventy four yards in

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Speaker 1: the first half, and then the Patriots only had two

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Speaker 1: possessions in the second half, I'm sorry, three possessions in

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Speaker 1: the second half in which they gave thirty five yards,

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Speaker 1: missed a field goal, thirty six yards and punted and

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Speaker 2: A field goal.

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Speaker 1: But it didn't You didn't even get the sense that

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Speaker 2: It was so slow playing it.

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Speaker 3: They could have scored forty points in this forty five

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Speaker 3: I'll give the Giants a little bit of slack. Playing

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Speaker 3: on Monday night is It's hard. It's a long week,

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Speaker 3: it is primetime. You've been waiting around. It's also Thanksgiving

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Speaker 3: and the pomp and circumstance leading up these Monday night

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Speaker 3: young player, Jackson Dard or even Courtel Flott, who got

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Speaker 3: Mike Coffica will answer. I'm sure some of these questions

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Speaker 5: So I think it was this Gunner got a concussion

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Speaker 5: and then Tracy with a hip for injury. Wise, what

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Speaker 5: Jackson's an aggressive football player. You know he's on the

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Speaker 5: That was a coach's decision, My decision just based on

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Speaker 5: it was just my decision to not to not play him.

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Speaker 8: There was four that that he was on this part

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Speaker 9: Is that true.

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Speaker 5: No, it's it was just strictly my decisions to be

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Speaker 10: I imagine that when you mentioned on the first time,

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Speaker 9: Now two weeks later, it's the same exact thing again.

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Speaker 5: I would just saying we have great communication and he's

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Speaker 5: was one thing that you know, we talked about and

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Speaker 5: it was my decision to not play this I again,

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Speaker 5: this is one of the things that I decided to do.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, I talked just like I talked with a duel.

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Speaker 5: I talk with all our players, and you know I

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Speaker 5: talk with that duel about this week and decided to

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Speaker 5: this was just strictly my decision to not play him

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Speaker 5: and he listened. When he came back in the game,

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Speaker 1: and Marine Heals keep getting better. We'll get to the

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Speaker 3: Little bit of a report. And I understand Mike Kafka.

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Speaker 3: But by answering it that way, you you create more

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Speaker 1: Back here on Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to the

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Speaker 1: Patriots thirty three to fifteen. All right, Tiki, we were

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Speaker 3: Pressure, and so you're running these these these simulated pressure looks,

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Speaker 3: but when the ball is snapped, there is no pressure,

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Speaker 3: and guys are dropping into predictable zones and so it's

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Speaker 3: easy to find the void, to find the soft spot,

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Speaker 3: whether that was in the curl, whether that was sitting

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Speaker 3: over the middle.

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Speaker 2: Of the field.

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Speaker 3: The voids were self creating in a sense. And so

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Speaker 3: again it's his first game as a defensive play caller,

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Speaker 3: Charlie Bullen, and I think, yeah, I give him credit

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Speaker 3: for at least thinking about doing something different than Shane

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Speaker 3: Bowen had been doing for the first ten games of

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Speaker 3: this season.

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Speaker 2: But kind of like Shane Bowen, and it was also predictable.

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Speaker 3: You knew what was happening, and you just didn't get

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Speaker 3: enough plays made in the in those moments.

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Speaker 1: And look Tiki. Here's the bottom line. And I've said

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Speaker 1: it on this postgame show. You've said it on Evden

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Speaker 1: te You've said it on this postgame show, and fans get.

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Speaker 2: Mad at us.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, you can do simulated pressures.

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Speaker 1: You can do all that pressures. You could do zero blitzes,

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Speaker 1: you could do quarters. You can run cover three, you

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Speaker 1: can run cover two. Here's the bottom line. If nobody

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Speaker 1: wins up front, he gets to the quarterback and the

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Speaker 1: guys at the back end can't cover. I don't care

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Speaker 1: what the defensive coordinator does, it's not going to matter.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, that's what we saw tonight. Ultimately, you gotta make plays.

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Speaker 3: Your players have to make plays, and they just there

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Speaker 3: weren't enough of them.

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Speaker 2: Patriots are a good team.

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Speaker 3: This is I couldn't say this was a predictable outcome

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Speaker 3: because the Giants have played really good teams. I like

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Speaker 3: the Green Bay Packers, like the Detroit and the.

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Speaker 2: Pictures have played close games all year too.

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Speaker 3: They've played good teams close. But this felt like and

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Speaker 3: out coaching, and you felt it. And it's unfortunate that

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Speaker 3: you had some drops in here. Theo Johnson had one

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Speaker 3: right before you know, they went up by an extra

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Speaker 3: another touchdown because of the drop touchdown. Then you had

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Speaker 3: the miss field goal, and so those things those are

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Speaker 3: not even miss field goal was just a non field

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Speaker 3: goal attempt. Those things come back to bite you because

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Speaker 3: in games where you can't afford and I think the

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Speaker 3: Giants are at that point in the season where they

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Speaker 3: can't afford to play mistake prone football, the good.

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Speaker 2: Teams are gonna beat you. I mean, that's pretty much

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Speaker 2: a turnover, right it is.

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Speaker 1: So so there were minus two internover ratio because you

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Speaker 1: have the kickoff fumble, you the young Way coup play,

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Speaker 1: and then you had a special team touch on give

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Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, you're not gonna win many games on

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Speaker 1: your minus two in tonal a ratio. And you give

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Speaker 1: up a kick return for a touch that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, and you don't have the big play in your offense.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just it's then we go back to

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Speaker 3: some of the injuries, and now you got the Tyrone

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Speaker 3: Tracy injury. Who's the big play threat, and it's they're

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Speaker 3: trying to make it THEO Johnson, but he's not fully

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Speaker 3: reliable right now and he's only in his second year.

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Speaker 3: I know, there's an awareness that comes as you gain

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Speaker 3: maturity and reps in the NFL, and perhaps as the

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Speaker 3: seasons go on.

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Speaker 2: Theo Johnson involves because he's a big player.

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Speaker 3: He's physical, and he's strong, and he's he can high

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Speaker 3: point and catch balls. But sometimes his awareness on how

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Speaker 3: to get his body in the right position we hit

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Speaker 3: this at halftime isn't fully there yet, and they're depending

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Speaker 3: on him to do that, and as a result, you're

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Speaker 3: getting some inefficiencies that are preventing you from staying in

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Speaker 3: some of these games.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a time out. We're still winning.

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Speaker 1: Jackson's ar at the podium, highlights, audio from the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Some of the great sound just came in from Paul

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Speaker 1: Deatino and Pete Hoffman down there. We'll get to all

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Speaker 1: that and more. Giants again fall to the Broncos in

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Speaker 1: this game. Thirty three to fifteen will be right back.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Giants Extra Point on the Wfan. Giants

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Speaker 6: Dark.

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Speaker 16: Take me's a snap, looks left side, arms and Lap

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Speaker 16: completes it to Slayton. Slayton keeps Street at twenty to

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Speaker 16: the tenth to the five into the end zone for

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Speaker 16: a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: A little quick slant to Darius Slayton and Slayton gets

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Speaker 2: his first touchdown.

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Speaker 16: Taps of the season, and the Giants are on the

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Speaker 16: board here in the second quarter.

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Speaker 2: And I mean it's seventeen to seven.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants extra point. John Schmelteeky Barber with

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Speaker 1: you from our studios in downtown Manhattan. Giants again fall

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Speaker 1: to the New England Patriots in this game thirty three,

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Speaker 1: two fifteen. All right, t let's go to the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball here. He had some i'd say

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Speaker 1: fluff yardage in the second half of this game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they get the Giants up to two hundred and thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: They kind of moved the ball very slowly and methodically

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Speaker 1: in this game. Devin Singletary twelve carries sixty eight yards.

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Speaker 1: Tywan Tracy, who had a hip injury late in this game,

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Speaker 1: did not return ten carries thirty six yards.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope that's not serious. Yeah, I mean hip injury

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Speaker 2: and he couldn't put any weight on the leg. You

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Speaker 2: don't love that. We'll see what that looks like.

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Speaker 1: Jackson darts seventeen of twenty four efficient, but only one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty nine yards in this game, Tiki. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of checkdowns in this game. The Giants

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Speaker 1: had just one completion that went for more than twenty yards,

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Speaker 1: and it was that short eight yard throw to Darius Slayton.

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Speaker 1: So not one ball that traveled twenty yards in the

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Speaker 1: air not completed by the Giants in this ga.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't have any downfield throws.

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Speaker 3: The one other throw that was downfield was the one

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Speaker 3: the Theo Johnson immediately before the Darius Layton touchdown.

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Speaker 2: It was a third and eight. It was a perfectly

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Speaker 2: thrown ball to.

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Speaker 3: Theo Johnson and he got a helm to helmet hit

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Speaker 3: by the quarterback Jalen who hit him, Jalen Hawks Hawkins.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hawkins helmet to helmet safety hit him, and he

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Speaker 3: got them the first down. And I liked the play

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Speaker 3: the first down play right after that from the thirty

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Speaker 3: yard line where he hit him on a slant, hit

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Speaker 3: him in the second window. So it took some delayed

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Speaker 3: timing to get that ball where it needed to be.

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Speaker 3: And Dare Slaton made a clean catch and then split

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Speaker 3: the defenders and went and scored a touchdown. So you

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Speaker 3: give them credit for that play, but there wasn't a

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Speaker 3: lot else that was you put in quotes explosive in

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Speaker 3: this game. Again, you give the Giants credit for their

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Speaker 3: run game because they stick to it even when it's

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Speaker 3: not necessarily you know, electric it does.

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Speaker 2: It was helping them.

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Speaker 3: Get first downs and they ran hard Devin Singletary, Tyrone

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Speaker 3: Tracy as well, But ultimately was it was not nearly

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Speaker 3: enough of a ball control type situation to get them

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Speaker 3: back into this game.

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Speaker 2: And then after that it just kind of bogged down

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Speaker 2: for him.

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Speaker 3: They get a turnover on downs, and they get a fumble,

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Speaker 3: a punt, another turnover on downs, and then finally that

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Speaker 3: late touchdown in the fourth quarter, at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, where you know, they go for two

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Speaker 3: point conversions, two point conversion and make it a fifteen

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Speaker 3: point game.

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Speaker 2: Two scores.

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Speaker 3: But it also felt as if the newly pages just

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Speaker 3: kind of conceded that if you're gonna take however long

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Speaker 3: to score a touchdown, I think that that drive was

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Speaker 3: four or five minutes or so, then they were willing

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Speaker 3: to concede that in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Up by three scores.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then the other big play it was a

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Speaker 1: downfield past attempt tiki and as a play that Bob

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Speaker 1: and Carl talked a lot about during the broadcast, that

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Speaker 1: kind of turned this game because the play after this,

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Speaker 1: it was a third down pass down the left side

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Speaker 1: that Thel Johnson was kind of an out and up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did a great job of stepping up in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: I think that was twenty plus yards, maybe it was

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Speaker 1: like eighteen or so. Looking through his head, it was

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Speaker 1: a good play and a good a good read by

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Speaker 1: feel to recognize and he was just running an out route,

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Speaker 1: a bench route.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't there.

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Speaker 3: He looked, didn't see the ball coming, so he turned up,

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Speaker 3: went upfield, knew the mismatch.

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Speaker 2: He had. Oh, so you think that was off schedule. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that was on schedule. Was off schedule.

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Speaker 3: He stepped in, stepped up into the pocket, goes to

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Speaker 3: the to the front corner of the end zone, and

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Speaker 3: I get Jackson Dart put it exactly where it needed

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Speaker 3: to be. It's just THEO didn't get his body positioned

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Speaker 3: right to turn around and get his hands up. We've

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Speaker 3: seen that a couple of times this year for THEO,

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Speaker 3: when his body is not perfectly positioned to catch a

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Speaker 3: ball on his on.

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Speaker 2: His back shoulder type throw.

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Speaker 3: Getting his body turned and his hands in a catch

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Speaker 3: position often happens late, and so the ball gets there

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Speaker 3: just as his hands are getting up and it goes

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Speaker 3: through his hands. He was upset about it, obviously. He

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Speaker 3: took his helmet off, punching the ground. Uh, and then

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Speaker 3: ultimately they missed the field goal. Jackson Dart is now

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Speaker 3: at the podium.

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Speaker 6: The soccer maches.

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Speaker 8: Did you see what happened?

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Speaker 15: Uh?

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Speaker 12: Scrambling out of the pocket trying to get the first

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Speaker 12: time and got made a good hit.

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Speaker 3: It sound Jackson just asking you about the hits and

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Speaker 3: taking them things like that.

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Speaker 12: No, look like I understand the question, but like this

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Speaker 12: is like this is football, like I'm gonna get hit

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Speaker 12: if I'm in the pocket or outside the pocket, like

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Speaker 12: it's I don't like, I feel like I've played this

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Speaker 12: way my whole entire life. It shouldn't be like any

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Speaker 12: shock or anybody if you've followed along with my career

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Speaker 12: and I'm we're not playing like we're not playing soccer

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Speaker 12: out here, like you're gonna get hit. Things happen, It's

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Speaker 12: part of the game.

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Speaker 17: It seems after that played.

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Speaker 18: That kind of maybe.

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Speaker 19: Just just kind of.

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Speaker 12: I'm not really sure what plays you're talking about specifically,

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Speaker 12: there was there.

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Speaker 7: Was well.

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Speaker 20: There times you thought about running and maybe.

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Speaker 12: No, no, it didn't hurt, So that didn't play any

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Speaker 12: thought in my mind.

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Speaker 7: Do you think do you think taking that aggressiveness away

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Speaker 7: from you it takes people away from your game?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely?

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Speaker 12: Like I said, I I played like this my whole life,

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 12: Like I'm turning my high school tape and trying my

664
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 12: college tape like it's not like a shocker to anybody,

665
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 12: Like it's just it's I've played it felt like if

666
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 12: you just watch the game like I did slide, I

667
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 12: did avoid a lot of hits. So it's like you

668
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 12: can get hit.

669
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 6: It's football when you're playing high school.

670
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 8: When you're playing in college, the competition is a little

671
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 8: bit different.

672
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 6: The size, the speed, the physicality a little bit different.

673
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Or maybe those hits here a.

674
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 8: Little different than the history would have been taken in

675
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 8: high school.

676
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 6: You feel at.

677
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 13: All or what I mean?

678
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 12: My my body feels good. I got knocked out of

679
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 12: a game against Chicago on a fluke play.

680
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: Like you watch the hit, I.

681
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 12: Lose control of the ball and I don't brace myself

682
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 12: because I'm trying to recatch the ball. It's not because

683
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 12: of the hit, it's just because I lost the ball.

684
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 12: So I mean, just like any other league, like you

685
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 12: take new steps. There's bigger, faster players. But like, my

686
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 12: body feels good, so you know, I'm gonna play aggressive.

687
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 12: I feel like if I just turn into a complete

688
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 12: pocket passer, that's just not how I want to play

689
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 12: the game. I feel like there's an advantage to me

690
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 12: using my legs. So yeah, on your side, that's where

691
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 12: I want to go. Yeah, he's done a great job.

692
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 12: I'm not into comparisons. Everybody's journey is differently. Everybody's journey

693
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 12: is different, So you know, I've known Drake for years

694
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 12: and he's done a great job. He also went through

695
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 12: a struggle his first year too, so you know, everybody's

696
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 12: journey is different. I'm just trying to do my best

697
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 12: to change this this franchise around a little bit and

698
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 12: uh and do my part. So I just got to

699
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 12: stay diligent in that too much of a m No,

700
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Speaker 12: I didn't think so. I mean, I just think we

701
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 12: got down, like we got down big early. Game plans

702
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 12: have to change, like you're just playing catch up the

703
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 12: rest of the game. It's a little bit different when

704
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 12: you know it's a tight game, you can really stick

705
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 12: to a game plan.

706
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: You know.

707
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Speaker 12: I felt like, you know, me trying to extend my

708
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 12: plays in the in the past game and keep my

709
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 12: eyes down the field was more sufficient than me trying

710
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 12: to run and get you know, five yards. So you're

711
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 12: trying to play catch up little bit in those situations,

712
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 12: you know what rate Yeah, I mean I would do

713
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 12: the same for him, and uh, you know that's kind

714
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 12: of the that's a relationship that mean him have you

715
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 12: know you saw the line get in there too, like

716
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 12: we all got each other's backs. It's not it's not

717
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 12: fun losing. It's not fun with this losing streak. It's

718
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 12: it doesn't you know, look super bright from the outside,

719
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 12: but you know, we have each other's backs, and uh,

720
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 12: you know, sometimes it just takes it takes time to

721
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 12: you know, turn things around. And I think that obviously,

722
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 12: you know, we want that now, everybody wants that.

723
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 13: Now.

724
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Speaker 12: You know, I'm hoping that, you know, we can continue

725
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 12: to to build and uh, you know, find any way

726
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 12: that we can just find a little bit of momentum.

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Speaker 21: The like were kind.

728
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Speaker 12: Of right, well, yeah, I mean we got we got

729
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 12: beaten all three phases of the game. So and when

730
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 12: you get down like that, it's not it's not ideal.

731
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Speaker 12: And uh, you know, I feel like we had a

732
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 12: little bit of a spark when we were able to

733
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 12: you know, score that Motor had that touchdown, we got

734
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 12: the two point conversion. We're down two scores and you know,

735
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 12: defense got is the ball back and then we didn't

736
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 12: capitalize on it. So, like you said, like we were

737
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 12: just scratching a clawn. So you know, you kind of

738
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 12: have to when you're in that situation, your your game

739
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 12: plan is kind of out out the gate a little bit,

740
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 12: and you're just trying to find any way you can

741
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 12: to to play catch.

742
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 8: Up, but they also be telling you to protect yourself better.

743
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 6: What do you what do you.

744
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 8: Say to that?

745
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 12: Hmm, I thought I'd a good job tonight. You need

746
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 12: to protect yourself better looking after me?

747
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 8: Are you looking forward to the time and you're confident

748
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 8: that eventually this will sort itself out, that you will

749
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 8: play with the aggressiveness that you want to. You will

750
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Speaker 8: that the coaches will realize that.

751
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: You're doing that but still protecting you know what I mean?

752
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 8: This has become a a a major talking point around you.

753
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 13: Now, Yeah, does.

754
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 8: Quarterbacks growing phase that you have to get through?

755
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 6: Is it something different.

756
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 12: Like I'm gonna keep playing aggressive? No, Hopefully everybody can

757
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 12: take a second to watch my tape going back to

758
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 12: high school and realize that this is not a shock

759
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 12: Like I play the game aggressively. I took one hit

760
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 12: that people are talking about. I slid, got out of

761
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 12: the way, have a lot of hits. So I appreciate

762
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 12: people you know, wanting to you know, me to be

763
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 12: healthy and all that stuff, and I want to be

764
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 12: healthy too. But I play this game aggressive, so I'm

765
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 12: not I'm not. Can I just change how I play

766
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 12: the game.

767
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 6: Do you think that's why you should have stepped out?

768
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Speaker 12: Oh, it's trying to get the first sound.

769
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Speaker 13: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Our player press conference is brought to you by met Life,

771
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: the official insurance company of the New York Giants. And

772
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Speaker 1: in a game of the Giants lost on National TV

773
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: with Jackson nor as first game back, eighty five percent

774
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Speaker 1: of the questions or about one hit that he took

775
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Speaker 1: in the first quarter that got up from quickly?

776
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: Look, I took many hits like that. It's the ones

777
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: that you don't see that don't hurt. That one didn't hurt.

778
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: He didn't lean into like there were times this season

779
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: where you've seen Jackson Dart lean into contact of the

780
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: the worst.

781
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: Car crashes for people that they're a head on collision.

782
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: Think about the San Francisco game where he got drilled

783
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: and then a play later they ran a design QB

784
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: run QB sweep I think it was, and he leaned

785
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: went into the defender with his head, leaned into the

786
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: defender with his head And you looked at that and said, man,

787
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: you're probably already concussed and then you're taking another shot

788
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: willingly that hit and he said this just now it didn't.

789
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: That doesn't hurt, Like he doesn't.

790
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: You don't feel that one Like his body is off

791
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: the ground as I think one foot might have still

792
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: been on the gown. It looked really bad because he

793
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: went down so fast. Like the force coming from the

794
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: linebacker Christian Ellis was was was so strong that it

795
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: just forced him to the ground. But that play hurts

796
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: if he's leaning into Christian Ellis, Like, if he's trying

797
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: to equalize that force, then the then the then the

798
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: compression point is so strong that it hurts.

799
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Speaker 2: And he got hit on the shoulder pad and landed

800
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: on the shoulder. He got hit where you're protected. So

801
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: I promise you I've taken that in a million times.

802
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: Stop asking him about it because it didn't hurt, and

803
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: you can tell that he was starting to get I mean,

804
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: you give Jackson credit.

805
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: He stayed calm, he answered all the questions.

806
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: But what he's getting tired of it because he did

807
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: he has done a better did do a better job

808
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 3: in this game of not taking the hits that he

809
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: knows are coming. His problem, as I've watched him this season,

810
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: is that he knows that the hit is coming, save

811
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: for the one where he can cuss against Chicago because

812
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: that he.

813
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: Didn't know what was coming.

814
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: The ball was up in the air, he was trying

815
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: to find it and he got slammed to the ground. Yeah,

816
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: he's had on the ground that wasn't But for the

817
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: most part, the hits that I've worried about are when

818
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: he knows that they're coming and he and he acts

819
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: like a running back or he acts like a big

820
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: a big ball carrier and he's not and he's not

821
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: that This one didn't hurt, So it's not it's not

822
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: one to talk about for sure, but I and I

823
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: get I get why he's frustrated by this because he's right,

824
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 3: we're not playing two hand touch.

825
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: We're playing football. He is a football.

826
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: Player, and it's why you you, you ultimately will love

827
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: him as a competitor because he's trying to win the games. Now,

828
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: with that being said, the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on THEO

829
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: Johnson I thought was a load of crap.

830
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: He didn't do anything.

831
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: He pushed the guy he went in. I don't think

832
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: he really pushed him because his hands weren't even available

833
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: to him. He he was leaning forward and kind of

834
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: just walked into him and he got a flag throwing

835
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 3: on him, which made it third and eighteen and ultimately

836
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: a play that they didn't They didn't it couldn't convert, obviously,

837
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: but it just I don't know, I think there was

838
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: much to being made about that when it wasn't as

839
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: bad as some of the other ones that he's voluntarily

840
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: put himself into.

841
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: That wasn't one of those. Let's go to Paul Deatino.

842
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: He just left the Giants locker room waiting to get

843
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: on the bus to get to the airport to come

844
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: home from Foxborough up there in New England. Paul, give

845
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: us the mood in the locker room here. We were

846
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: just about to play Ku and Abdul Carter. We have

847
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: not played any audio yet. We've just played the two

848
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: pressers from from Kafka and Dable. What were some of

849
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: the highlights from the locker room after the game.

850
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 13: Well, obviously a lot of the talk from the media

851
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 13: was about Abdul Carter and him missing a team assignment.

852
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 13: You'll hear from Carter, so I won't tell you about

853
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 13: what he said, but he should have clearly took responsibility

854
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 13: and he is being a campbell for it. Ryan Burns

855
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 13: and Dexter Lawrence and addressing the situation, both said he's

856
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 13: a young player, he's hardheaded, he's making mistakes. He has

857
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 13: to learn from them. Dexter Lawrence in particular said enough

858
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 13: of people have already told him what he needs to

859
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 13: do to learn from this and to move on. No

860
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 13: sense in beating it into him. He just needs to

861
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 13: understand and it's about moving forward. Brian Burns also talked

862
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 13: about how he's a young player. He has to understand accountability,

863
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 13: and so those two guys who are two of the

864
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 13: biggest names and biggest voices in the locker room, they

865
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 13: understand that, you know, Carter has made mistakes and unfortunately,

866
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 13: you know, you got to pay for those mistakes, and

867
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 13: he has. Both were more curious about, even though this

868
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 13: has happened twice, how is he going to respond? And

869
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 13: Dexter's only other comment partially an explanation, but not a

870
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 13: reason or not an excuse. He simply said, the schedule

871
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 13: has been changed up a little bit. It's a little

872
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 13: bit different than what it used to be, but that

873
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 13: doesn't mean you know, you can miss something. You still

874
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 13: need to make sure that you're accountable for whatever that's worth.

875
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 13: At least dexter. They try to explain to folks that

876
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 13: things have changed the way the schedule is being handled

877
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 13: and the different times for the things that they've got

878
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 13: to do.

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00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can understand that, Paul. Obviously, as a young player,

880
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: it's on you, like as a professional, it's your job.

881
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: You have to be at work at a certain time.

882
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: You have to be there in order to do your

883
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: job and to prepare to do your job on Sundays.

884
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: But this is unfortunately going to start to become a

885
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Speaker 3: talking point.

886
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if Mike Mike Kafka handled.

887
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: It correctly by saying as a coach's decision, it's a

888
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Speaker 3: coach's decision.

889
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Speaker 2: It's a coach's decision.

890
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: I know that they want to try to keep these

891
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Speaker 3: things in house, but it's just not the era that

892
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: we live in where you're just going to let it

893
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Speaker 3: go because the coach has so.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I certainly end stand that, and you can imagine

895
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 13: it already is a huge talking point. That was a

896
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Speaker 13: very very big idel of discussion in the Giants' locker

897
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Speaker 13: room today. Now I can tell you this. I did

898
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Speaker 13: talk to Tyrone Tracy. He said he was okay. So

899
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 13: in terms of you know, the potential injury that he

900
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Speaker 13: suffered doesn't appear like it's an issue. I talked to

901
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Speaker 13: THEO Johnson. He took a helmet hit, as you know,

902
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 13: he stayed in the game. He said he was okay.

903
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Speaker 13: I was told that Gonnarozhevsky, who did have to come

904
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Speaker 13: out because of concussion protocol. I was told that his

905
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Speaker 13: helmet was significantly damaged, paint scraped off it and so forth.

906
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Speaker 13: It was bad. The hit that he took was vicious,

907
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Speaker 13: for sure, but he did walk out of the locker

908
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 13: room on his own power, and so that's certainly a

909
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 13: very good sign. And I guess the only other thing

910
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Speaker 13: of significant note is that in talking to the offensive

911
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 13: players about Jackson Dart, they said he was his normal self.

912
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Speaker 13: He operated everything in the huddle like he should operate

913
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Speaker 13: as at the Liana scrimmage as always, So they didn't

914
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Speaker 13: notice any difference in terms of his confidence or wavering

915
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Speaker 13: despite the fact that he was making his return after

916
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Speaker 13: having to sit out two weeks of the Publo call, all.

917
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Speaker 1: Right, Paul, I know you're on the buss. You guys

918
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Speaker 1: gotta get to the airport. We appreciate the time. Have

919
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Speaker 1: a safe flight. We'll see you bright early tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: the trading center.

921
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Speaker 13: Got it, John, Thanks.

922
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: That's Paul Tatino from Foxport. We're gonna hear from all

923
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Speaker 1: those guys. Paul Ticino just spoke about him just a

924
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Speaker 1: little bit. But for now, I want to take a

925
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Speaker 1: quick time out. We'll come back and we'll hear from

926
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Speaker 1: young Waiku. We'll hear from Abdul Carter and a couple

927
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Speaker 1: other defensive players as well. Giants again fall to the

928
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Speaker 1: Patriots on Monday Night Football thirty three to fifteen.

929
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Speaker 4: You're listening to Giants Extra Point on the WFAN Giants

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Speaker 4: Radio Network.

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Speaker 22: This is Devin Singletary and you're listening to Giants football

932
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Speaker 22: on the Fan WFAN and WFAN FM, New York.

933
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Speaker 2: Start sprints out in motion to the right. Singletary is

934
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Speaker 2: the tailback.

935
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Speaker 16: He takes the snap, pitches it, no fakes the pitch

936
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Speaker 16: to Dark, runs it around the right side. He's to

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Speaker 16: the tenth, to the five and into the end zone

938
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Speaker 16: for a touchdown.

939
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Speaker 2: He took a direct snap, faked an.

940
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Speaker 16: End around at Dark, twenty two yard touchdown run.

941
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Speaker 2: Third time in two weeks.

942
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Speaker 1: A trick play for the Giants turns into a touchdown.

943
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Speaker 1: That's on a twenty two yard run from Denvin Singletary

944
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Speaker 1: to cap a nine play, sixty five yard drive that

945
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Speaker 1: took four minutes and fifteen seconds, traveling from the end

946
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Speaker 1: of the third quarter to the fourteen to fifty four

947
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Speaker 1: mark of quarter number four.

948
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Speaker 2: It was tonight's scoring.

949
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Speaker 1: Drive of the game, brought to you by Citizens. For

950
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: every scoring drive this season, Citizens will donate seven hundred

951
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars of the Giants Foundation to support their

952
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Speaker 1: work tackling important community issues, improving all over our.

953
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Speaker 2: Health, and empowering our youth.

954
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Speaker 1: A drive earlier in the game was cut short when

955
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Speaker 1: young Wayku was not able to attempt a field goal

956
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: on a fourth down and he kind of just dug

957
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Speaker 1: his foot into the ground and Jamie Gillan tried to

958
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Speaker 1: scramble create a play, ended up getting sacked on the

959
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Speaker 1: play and the Giants turned over on down.

960
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: Jng Waight, who talked about that play after the game.

961
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Speaker 11: I wasn't able to kick the ball. The ball was

962
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Speaker 11: moving when I was driving to it, so I just pulled.

963
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Speaker 14: Up on him.

964
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 6: You pulled your leg, It gets stucked here.

965
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Speaker 11: No, No, I couldn't as I was driving to it.

966
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 11: The ball was the bottom of the ball was slipping out,

967
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Speaker 11: so I just pulled up on it.

968
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Speaker 2: Does that ever happened for uh?

969
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 11: Unfortunately? I think it was last year or something. The

970
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 11: ball slipped out and actually like hit the ground, So

971
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 11: that was the same visual. But Jamie Jamie did a

972
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Speaker 11: good job of like catching it and putting back. But

973
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Speaker 11: at that point it was just too late for me

974
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Speaker 11: to drive through it.

975
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Speaker 7: Obviously a tough night overall for special teams. They kick

976
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Speaker 7: off return, turn touchdown you and it's been good all year.

977
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Speaker 6: What do you what happened to night?

978
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Speaker 11: We just got a fight, man.

979
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Speaker 6: I mean it's NFL.

980
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Speaker 11: People are going to make plays, you know, But we

981
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Speaker 11: just gotta go back to work and just try to

982
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Speaker 11: improve each the stage week and just you know, put

983
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Speaker 11: put before.

984
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again you had that kick return to start

985
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Speaker 1: the game to get the ball just short of midfield.

986
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Speaker 1: Marcus Jones had a ninety four yard punp return for

987
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Speaker 1: a touchdown.

988
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Speaker 2: You had that snafu.

989
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: Right When they compound like that, they just become more

990
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: I don't noticeable when it's more than one example, and

991
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Speaker 3: I get.

992
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Speaker 2: What he's saying.

993
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: And the and theky fumble obviously I kind of forgive

994
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 3: that one because Paul Detino was right when he talked

995
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: about Gunner Olschewski's helmet. I mean it was destroyed, like

996
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: the decal was gone in on the and why it

997
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: was was gone.

998
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't there, it was gone. The paint was gone.

999
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: So that tells you how hard uh that that he

1000
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 3: was drilled on that play. And obviously it is probably

1001
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Speaker 3: unconscious for a moment, and uh he obviously lost lost

1002
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Speaker 3: the football. But young way cool was interesting because I've

1003
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Speaker 3: never seen that play. I'm sure he's it's happened to

1004
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Speaker 3: him before. But when you see a kicker just kind

1005
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Speaker 3: of doff his foot into the ground, it looked like

1006
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Speaker 3: he was stopping because he thought the defender was in

1007
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Speaker 3: position to block it. But if the ball is moving,

1008
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Speaker 3: even the slightest little throw off on a snap hold

1009
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Speaker 3: kick can throw can throw you off as as a kicker,

1010
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Speaker 3: and as soon as it doesn't look or feel right,

1011
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: your instinct is to stop, even if it's even if

1012
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 3: you should just try to push through it and and

1013
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: trust your holder, Jamie Gillen, to get the ball back

1014
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: to where it's supposed to be. It would it have

1015
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: been a non completed field goal attempt, probably, but just

1016
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: the way it looked, and then compounding with everything else

1017
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Speaker 3: that went wrong with special teams, it's just it's it's

1018
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: hard not to take notice of it.

1019
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: And I get it, I get it.

1020
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Speaker 1: Trust right, he just got here a few weeks ago.

1021
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: Hasn't done this with Jamie Gillen for a long This.

1022
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Speaker 3: Isn't a two year operation or an entire training camp

1023
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: operation that he's used to. And so sometimes when a

1024
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 3: kicker or when a when a when a snap hole

1025
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Speaker 3: doesn't quite get right, if a kicker has trust that

1026
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: his guy is going to get it back down and

1027
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Speaker 3: and pointing it in the right direction, laces out the

1028
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: way that it's supposed to be, you just wait half

1029
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: a tick, half a beat, and then you go through

1030
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: with your process. But you're right, they're just not fully

1031
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: there right now with Yung Wayku, and unfortunately it looks

1032
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: bad and it's it's gonna be one of those kicks.

1033
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: It's gonna become mimable because it's just it didn't happen right,

1034
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: and just his foot stuck in the ground, and he

1035
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: kind of like it looked like his foot got stuck

1036
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: when you look at him physically, it looks like he's

1037
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: just stuck after his pitching wadge sticks into the turf

1038
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: and and nothing ever happens. The ball doesn't ever move,

1039
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: And then Jamie Gillen tried to pick it up and

1040
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 3: run and make a play with it. He probably could

1041
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: have thrown the ball away, but it would have been

1042
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: intentional grounding and either way the ball would have been

1043
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: back at the forty one or forty two yard line

1044
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: whatever ended up being as opposed to the thirty where

1045
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: the ball placement was, and so just a bad operation

1046
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 3: all the way around.

1047
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: From a special teams unit.

1048
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,600
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1049
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1051
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1052
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: Let's take a time out.

1053
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: We'll come back here from Abdul Carter and Dexter Lawrence

1054
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye.

1055
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: To the affiliates on our network. We'll be right back

1056
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: after this.

1057
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Speaker 4: You're listening to Giants Extra Point on the w FAN

1058
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 4: Giants Radio network.

1059
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 23: This is Abdua Carter and you're listening to Giants football

1060
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 23: on the Fan, w FA N and w FA N

1061
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 23: FM New York.

1062
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: Back here on Giants extra point John Schmulk Tiki Barber

1063
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: Giants fall to the Patriots on Monday Night Football thirty

1064
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: three to fifteen. They are now two and eleven. Abdua

1065
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: Carter did not play in the first quarter of this game.

1066
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Speaker 1: Mike Kafka would not elaborate other than it was his decision,

1067
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: a coach's decision. Here's what Abdul Carter had to say

1068
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: after the game.

1069
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Speaker 23: I mean, I'll let my team down to the first

1070
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 23: two drovers. I was out they excore seventeen points.

1071
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Speaker 13: I take that.

1072
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: I take responsiblity for that.

1073
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 6: I gotta be out there.

1074
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 17: Ye'll be back. Do you fail them?

1075
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 12: Mess have to go through?

1076
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is this is this has not happening for

1077
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 8: five coach so.

1078
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: Happening since he's given coach.

1079
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: Fifty enough doing or its experience.

1080
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: No, it's it's not him.

1081
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 20: It's me. It's not him.

1082
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 6: What's the it you get said it? It got through

1083
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 6: this time?

1084
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 12: What what's different this time as opposed to the first time?

1085
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 23: The wife after, I wanna say it's something different.

1086
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 6: It's just like I just gotta be better than.

1087
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: Something with that.

1088
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 7: What's that feeling when you're sitting on the bench or

1089
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 7: just standing on the sidelines watching.

1090
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 6: Me play sick six of my stomach.

1091
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 23: I address your teammates, you know, tell me as it

1092
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 23: ain't no, ain't know where it know.

1093
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 6: You know how I feel, You know where I stand.

1094
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 2: Like I said, I looking down there.

1095
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 6: When did you find out if you were gonna play

1096
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 6: the first word? I've been moving earlier too. How difficult

1097
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Speaker 6: I have st least last few weeks been for.

1098
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Speaker 23: You hasn't been the best. But like I said, you

1099
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 23: keep moving on to keep persevering. I've been through worst things.

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00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 24: So, like I said, I'd be that off of the

1101
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 24: old has the acclamation than the NFL A little bit

1102
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 24: more challenging than you're expected.

1103
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 23: I mean, I guess you could say that, but I don't.

1104
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 23: I'm not gonna use that as an excuse. Like I said,

1105
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 23: I gotta be better. I gotta take part in what

1106
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 23: I do where I have to be at simple with that.

1107
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: That's Abdul Carter.

1108
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: Now let's go to Dexter Lawrence, who talked about the

1109
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: Abdul Qrter situation in the game.

1110
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 6: It's like this, Oh yeah, the story of the game.

1111
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 7: The story of the season has been the ones that

1112
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 7: got away. Does this one hurt hit worse because it

1113
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 7: was noncompetitive?

1114
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 22: I think we started so second half we came out

1115
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 22: and played better. I think that's what the biggest thing.

1116
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like the game was.

1117
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 22: Over at after No, it wasn't the fourth quarter with

1118
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 22: four zeros on the club, so it wasn't.

1119
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 6: It's never over.

1120
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 9: What what do.

1121
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 20: You think the what do you think?

1122
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 6: I thought it was good.

1123
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 22: I mean I'm not like in the headset or any

1124
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 22: think so I don't so you know whatever I think

1125
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 22: you know here was responding well than adjustin.

1126
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 10: Will then a different feel for you, like anything different

1127
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 10: for your guys with him calling very the sham.

1128
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 22: Uh not necessarily. I mean still still seeing defense come

1129
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 22: on with the same people.

1130
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 6: So it's just I don't know it. I mean it

1131
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 6: just felt it.

1132
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 22: I didn't seen a lot of stuff moving and shaking,

1133
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 22: so it all feel the same at at some point.

1134
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 6: How do you feel?

1135
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 7: How did you feel out there and how do you

1136
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 7: feel coming out of it after last week?

1137
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 17: Oh?

1138
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 22: I feel I feel good. I feel good. I feel

1139
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 22: good going out there. Uh did I'll play enough places

1140
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 22: for y'all?

1141
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: I don't have the tracker til tomorrow, but I had

1142
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: to take. Does it affect you then? Does the elbow

1143
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: like is it something your No?

1144
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 6: I thought I like you, I thought No, I felt

1145
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 6: good out there.

1146
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 22: It's it wasn't really the same injury or towards the

1147
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 22: same injury as a different part, you know, just of

1148
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 22: the elbow or whatever, more the forearm type of thing.

1149
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 22: But I felt fun. I feel good.

1150
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 6: You got you obviously you're a team captain.

1151
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 7: You guys have a recurring problem with Abdul Carter missing

1152
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 7: some responsibilities and getting batched. What do you need to

1153
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 7: see from him?

1154
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 17: Uh?

1155
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 6: Just grow up? Really, you know, just you know, I

1156
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 6: think he loves football.

1157
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 22: He takes it serious and his approach to the game

1158
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 22: is really good.

1159
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 6: You know, just young stuff that you know that just

1160
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 6: can't happen.

1161
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 10: The natural thinking would be like, why didn't he learn

1162
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 10: his lesson the first time?

1163
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 6: You know, what do you say to that hardheaded man?

1164
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 6: Hard headed?

1165
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 18: Uh?

1166
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. It's and and and I mean

1167
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 6: to his defense?

1168
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 17: Is it like.

1169
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 22: The the schedule is kind of shaky a little bit,

1170
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 22: but you gotta be a pro and note where you

1171
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 22: gotta be and what you.

1172
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 6: Gotta be there shaky you mean changing kind of deal.

1173
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 22: Uh, it changed, but it ain't. It's not like changing

1174
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 22: every day. It's just it's char So you just gottadjust.

1175
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 6: How frustrating is that for you?

1176
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 10: Though you're frustrated, you know, like you're putting it all

1177
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 10: this time, You're putting in all this energy. Maybe it's

1178
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 10: not being reciprocated by everybody E that's in here. Obviously

1179
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 10: you gotta be disciplined for a second time in three weeks.

1180
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 22: Uh yeah, I mean it's definitely frustrating. But you gotta

1181
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 22: stay on him and you gotta help him learn from

1182
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 22: these mistakes. You know, we all mean, we all been late,

1183
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 22: we all been you know, have moments like that.

1184
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 6: But you just gotta learn from that, specifically about this issue.

1185
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 22: I mean, I think enough people talking to himself. I'm

1186
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 22: not gonna beat the drum too much, you know. I

1187
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 22: just encourage him and tell him to respond will, And

1188
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 22: that's what it's all about.

1189
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 7: Cant Can you appreciate Kafka in his spot trying to

1190
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 7: set a mark of accountability.

1191
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 6: Uh, for sure.

1192
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 22: And that's why I just tell him to respond will,

1193
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 22: And that's and that's all you can do.

1194
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 6: In a position like.

1195
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 10: That, do you feel the responsibility on your shoulders, like

1196
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 10: if you're a captain obviously been here well or do

1197
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 10: you just leave that Brian No.

1198
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, I talked to him. I

1199
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 6: talked to him. I just don't. I don't beat the bush.

1200
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 6: I mean I don't.

1201
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 22: I don't keep beating the drum over and over, over

1202
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 22: and over. He's hearing it from a lot of people.

1203
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 22: So I just encourage him and let him know, like

1204
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 22: you know, just you gotta be a pro.

1205
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 13: That's it.

1206
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 22: Like I don't talk about the situation or whatever. I

1207
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 22: just tell me to respond and be a pro.

1208
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the third second leader on

1209
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: this team, third defensive player, Brian Burns.

1210
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: After the game, I'll have him alone the way you.

1211
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 6: Know year, this rookie year.

1212
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 13: So just trying to help you much.

1213
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 6: Second, keep the message just getting through see him. I mean,

1214
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 6: I know, the second time in three weeks. Why it

1215
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 6: happen makes your kind of think, you know, he needs.

1216
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 10: Sign getting through the way to go battle.

1217
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 13: I think you think.

1218
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 24: I think he's a honest mistake.

1219
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 20: Alright, just what you inspired I usually sit going to

1220
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 20: get into after that, I just said.

1221
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 14: A little bit longer than they but.

1222
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 24: Just how quick they got up on us. You know,

1223
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 24: like I said, they execute well all all.

1224
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: Three bases and better than he did.

1225
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 20: And that's kind of swooping up in my head. How

1226
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 20: we can be better get back in the game, right

1227
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 20: I I, I know you mentioned they.

1228
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 21: Can get things that he sits got full to Abdul.

1229
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 25: He's not the only rookie on this team, but he.

1230
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 12: Is the only one that's that's been bunched up twice

1231
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 12: in the last three weeks.

1232
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 25: So I guess, big Rich break why why do you

1233
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 25: think Discat talking us was one of.

1234
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 26: The leaders on the homes So when he.

1235
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 25: Gets to know him and sees him quite often and

1236
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 25: certainly what we do, he's.

1237
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 6: Just honest mistake, you know, he's human.

1238
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 24: He makes mistakes, you know, right at the end of

1239
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 24: the day, he does have to be a pro and

1240
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 24: he does have to you know, take accountability, which he

1241
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 24: did for whatever happened. But I'm just trying to help him,

1242
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 24: you best he can, and try.

1243
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 6: To help him do this what he can't be bright.

1244
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 6: We'll take a couple more.

1245
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: You were rookie once, Yeah, did you.

1246
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 8: Have problems adjusting the life rules and the regulations.

1247
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 6: Do you remember back to that? I mean do some

1248
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 6: guys do some guys don't.

1249
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: It seems like he is.

1250
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 24: I think everybody go through you know, Ricky Paynes when

1251
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 24: you just now getting to the league.

1252
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: Everybody has different different challenges.

1253
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 6: I had mine.

1254
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 24: You know, he's dealing with his as.

1255
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 20: Long as he takes accountability and you know.

1256
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 17: Take it like a man.

1257
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 14: And I mean, I can't.

1258
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: You know, we all make mistakes, all right.

1259
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Take you heard from Abdul Carter and the two leaders

1260
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: on defense nex To Lawrence and Brian Burns.

1261
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I think.

1262
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: They're all saying the right things, most importantly Abdul Carter,

1263
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 3: and he didn't want to have excuses made for him.

1264
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: He took responsibility for it.

1265
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 3: And even though Mike Africa is trying to defer and

1266
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 3: say it's coaches decision, well, we don't know what it's about.

1267
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: And we knew that Abdul Carter would address it. And

1268
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: I'm glad that he did instead of you know, waiting

1269
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: and getting all irate on social media like he did

1270
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 3: the last time, he addressed it head on. And you

1271
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: have to do those things as a young player at

1272
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 3: the end of the day, he's a rookie, and rookies

1273
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: do make dumb, bone headed things sometimes and they become

1274
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: distractions for a team. The last thing you want to

1275
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: be is a distraction. You want to be a pro.

1276
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: You want to be counted on. You want your teammates

1277
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: to know that every week they can count on you

1278
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: to be available and to be a baller.

1279
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: And I think in time he gets there.

1280
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are ready to throw

1281
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: the bus stag on him, but I'm not there yet

1282
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: with him. I think he's still got a lot of

1283
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: good football left in him, and he's going to grow

1284
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: and he's going to learn from these things, not only

1285
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 3: as a player, you know, and learning different ways to

1286
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: attack the quarterback and be disciplined in his rush lanes, etc.

1287
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: Run fit lanes as well. But it's a grind man.

1288
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: We talk about this with Jackson Dart and taking the hits.

1289
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: The same thing applies to all rookies in this league.

1290
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: It's a different game than what you played in college.

1291
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: You're not going to dominate unless you're just physically overpowering.

1292
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: And he's a skilled edge rusher and he's got to

1293
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: learn to harness that skill the right way. Most important

1294
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 3: thing is he's he's got to put in the work

1295
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: in the in the week, in the work week, and

1296
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 3: I think he addressed it.

1297
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: I think Dex addressed it the right way as well.

1298
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: You have conversations with him, but you're not gonna continue

1299
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: to burn the bush and beat the drum as he

1300
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: was trying to say, and make the kid feel bad

1301
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: because he is standing up for it. He is saying

1302
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: all the right things and that's really all he can

1303
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: do at this point. Yeah, Carter sat up there, faced

1304
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: the music and took responsibility for it absolutely. And the

1305
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: other part of that I want to talk to you

1306
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 3: about Tiki Dexter. Lawrence hurt his elbow last week, only

1307
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: played about fifty percent of the snaps. Early tracking for

1308
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 3: PFF had him around seventy four percent of the snaps

1309
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 3: YEP this week forty eight of the sixty five Giants

1310
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: defensive snaps.

1311
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: So it's great to see that that elbow healed so quickly.

1312
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well look, and again, you don't know what those

1313
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: elbows injuries are. I don't remember exactly what it was

1314
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 3: last season that it sat him down here.

1315
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: It was just hyper extended, hyper extended but.

1316
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: The thing is, you know that I know this at least,

1317
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: and you should for two as well, covering sports as

1318
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: long as you havea uh, if you know baseball, you

1319
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 3: don't know what those things, those UCL injuries they manifest

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Speaker 3: his forearm injuries, and you don't know exactly what it

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 3: what it is, and he said it was more of

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Speaker 3: a forearm thing.

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Speaker 2: And so sometimes it just feels bad.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's seasons long and you're you're constantly in double teams,

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Speaker 3: you're constantly locking out. There's a couple of good plays

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Speaker 3: I saw of Dexter h early in this game where

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Speaker 3: he's locking out and controlling the center and he's he's

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Speaker 3: creating a two way go for himself, so he's he's

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01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 3: basically covering both gaps to his left end to his right.

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Speaker 3: And so he looked, he looked Okay. Now I didn't

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: have the impact that I think where we all desire

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Speaker 3: for Dexter Lawrence, but he looked healthy I think in

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Speaker 3: this game, and he felt it felt just listening to

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: him that he's he's in a better place than he

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Speaker 3: was a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, quiet game for

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: Dexter does not get credited for a pressure in this game,

1337
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: but again, four games to go and we'll see where

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01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 3: the Giants had from here.

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Speaker 2: Please take what with us if you're listening on our.

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Speaker 1: But right now it's time to say goodbye to our

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Speaker 1: affiliates across the country on the Giants Radio Network. Our

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Speaker 1: next broadcast will be in thirteen days on December fourteenth,

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01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: when the Giants host the Washington Commanders of at Life Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Our pregame show we'll begin on the network at noon.

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,880
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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,960
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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,400
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Speaker 2: Thanks you being with us once again.

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: The final score the Giants fall to the New England

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01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: Patriots thirty three to fifteen. They are now two and

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Speaker 1: eleven heading into the buy. We'll see in thirteen days

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Speaker 1: on the WFN Giants Radio Network.

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01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: Who's still got about half hours.

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Speaker 1: So here on wfan TIK and I will take your

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Speaker 1: calls at eight eight eight eight oh eight one zero

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Speaker 1: one to nine and continue breaking things down when we

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Speaker 1: return after this.

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Speaker 25: On the fan, this is Jackson Dart and you're listening

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Speaker 25: to Giants Football on the fan w FA N and

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Speaker 25: w f A N FM, New York.

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Speaker 2: Back here on Giants Extra Point.

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Speaker 1: We'll take your calls at eighty to eight eight o

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Speaker 1: eight one zero one nine until chrismicmdele comes your way

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Speaker 1: when our show concludes. In the meantime, before we get

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Speaker 1: to your calls, Harvey, we see you. Everyone else, get

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Speaker 1: on the line, will kill you up THEO. Johnson was

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Speaker 1: in the locker room after the game.

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Speaker 21: Field before you hear it, all of a sudden, it

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01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 21: seemed like it was seventeen nothing there in the first quarter.

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Speaker 21: They struck quickly and in a variety of ways. How

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Speaker 21: difficult was that to come out of that early hole.

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Speaker 18: I mean, we definitely didn't start the game we wanted

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01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 18: the way we wanted to. We had a lot of

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01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 18: opportunities to come back, but definitely not the way you

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Speaker 18: want to start a football game.

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Speaker 21: This team has done a good job on its first

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 21: drive for a lot of the season and getting quick scores.

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Speaker 21: What was it working right? That was this joint that

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Speaker 21: that did not allow you to get an early score.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think they had a good plan for us

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01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 18: coming out. I think we just got to do a

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Speaker 18: better guy of executing the players are called, But I

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 18: think they had a good plan for us.

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Speaker 21: You were one of the players who wound up taking

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Speaker 21: a helmet hit. It seemed like they were overly aggressive

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Speaker 21: from the very beginning, almost like they were trying to

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Speaker 21: prove some kind of point. When stuff is borderline like that,

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01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 21: how does that impact how you're going to play the game?

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Speaker 18: I mean, every single time you play your helmet on,

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01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 18: you're expecting to play a physical brand of football. That's

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Speaker 18: how we do things here. So we kind of knew

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Speaker 18: that going into it. That's kind of what they try

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Speaker 18: and hang their hat on. I think we needed to

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Speaker 18: do a better job of combating that.

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Speaker 21: When you look at Jackson today, it was his first

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01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 21: coming back after being in the protocol for a couple

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Speaker 21: of weeks. What did you see from him in terms

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 21: of his confidence, his demeanor in the huddle, at the

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Speaker 21: line of screen, how did he look at you?

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Speaker 18: I mean, he looked like the same confident Uh. You know,

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01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 18: a young kid we've seen all season. I thought he

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01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 18: did a great job today. You just got to keep

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,919
Speaker 18: building across the board.

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Speaker 21: Appreciate your time for you.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's rip through these calls, Teak. Let's go

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: to Harvey and Dix Hills, who lead us off today.

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Speaker 15: Harvey, how are you all? It's not easy to make

1413
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 15: a call after these games. I'll tell you that right now.

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01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 15: But I once told you one. I think it was

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01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 15: Eddie Eddie Robinson from Grambling said either get a play

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01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 15: or get a player. Either get a better player or

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Speaker 15: get a player better. And I'm just asking you the

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Speaker 15: first point, your question, your answer. Have the the giant

1419
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 15: coaches made the players better or not?

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Speaker 20: Hey?

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01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: Some of them?

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I think we've seen Wanda Robinson become a better player.

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 2: Courtel flot quotel Flat has.

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01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 3: Become a better player even though he gave up the

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01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: first touchdown of the season today. Uh, Mike McFadden, even

1426
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: though he hasn't played a lot this season.

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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: You're right, so some of them have.

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01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 3: Actually, I think Brian Burns has become a better player

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01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: in his in his two seasons here and So.

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Speaker 15: That's one of the problems is this is a game

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01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 15: of compliment. Look, you and Colin talk to John talking

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01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 15: about the complimentary football. It's not an individual game. It

1433
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 15: is occasionally it's it's a unit game. Whether it's the

1434
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 15: defensive backs, it was the linebackers. It's coordinating a unit.

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01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 15: It's like a dance.

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01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, no, you're right.

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 3: About that, Harvey, because they haven't gotten better together. And

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Speaker 3: I heard carl talking about this in the in the pregame,

1439
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: but when they're hit before the game, talking about how

1440
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: there are individuals that are having outstanding seasons. Right, Brian

1441
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: Burns is certainly one of them, but it's not everybody,

1442
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: and and and that's what frustrates you from a from

1443
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 3: a from a evaluating the coach standpoint.

1444
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: But we obviously know that the staff is going to change.

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01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 15: Look, I'm not in the locker room. I don't know

1446
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 15: these coaches. I mean, do I know that Charlie Bullen,

1447
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 15: the linebacker coach, is going to be a great defasic coordiny.

1448
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 15: I don't know that is Coffer gonna be. I don't know.

1449
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 15: I mean, you you know them better than I do.

1450
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 15: You and John Ticking and my hope is that they do,

1451
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 15: is that they have better scouts, better coaches, and they

1452
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 15: and they put it all together like Grabel does in

1453
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,959
Speaker 15: La Come on, he's made the players much better there.

1454
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mean in New England And obviously was that

1455
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: way in Tennessee as well. It's it's it's I think.

1456
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 3: Part of being a good coach is creating the expectation

1457
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 3: that is uncompromising, that is that is a must have

1458
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 3: every single week. And I feel like this team is

1459
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 3: trying to do that. This coaching staff is trying to

1460
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: do that. But ultimately it does come down to the

1461
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: guys executing on the sun on on in this case

1462
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: on Monday night, but usually on Sunday afternoons, and making

1463
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: those plays and being where you're supposed to be. And

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01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 3: that's not always the case some of it sometimes, is it.

1465
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: When you're losing, it gets really hard not to try

1466
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: to do someone else's job. And you hear this the

1467
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 3: cliche over and over and over again. He got to

1468
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 3: do my one eleventh, got to do my one eleventh.

1469
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: That is your job and your moment while also helping

1470
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: the guys around you be better. And that's where the

1471
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: challenge is right now with this Giants team, especially defensively. Yeah,

1472
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 3: and look your best players, and a lot of the

1473
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 3: Giants resources are spent on some big time defensive players

1474
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 3: taking they whether it's the recent free agent editions or

1475
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: guys that have been here, or draft picks, guys that

1476
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: they traded for.

1477
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: Except for Brian Burns has made a ton of plays.

1478
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: Not enough guys that have made big game changing plays on

1479
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. No, you're right, and

1480
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: look the touchdown to Kyle Williams. And again, I'm gonna

1481
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: have to go look at it again. I haven't fully

1482
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,480
Speaker 1: seen the All twenty two, but it feels it feels.

1483
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 2: Like it was.

1484
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: They were inverting into three and so Paulson and Deebo

1485
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 3: had the deep third on that Kyle Williams play and

1486
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 3: he just he's not fast enough. He's not fast enough

1487
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 3: to be a corner. That inverts back to being a

1488
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 3: deep safety and Kyle Williams just ran by him. So

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01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 3: because you're from Drake, you're from Drake May's standpoint. That

1490
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 3: is a man demand opportunity, even though it's not.

1491
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: It's a zone.

1492
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 3: They're dropping into a zone, and that they had the

1493
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 3: All mug. They're dropping into these into these voids. The

1494
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 3: safety's coming down filling the flat void. The corner's got

1495
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 3: to get back and get into that deep third. And

1496
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 3: he's just not athletic enough. He just he gets out run.

1497
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 3: And Drake May as I mean, unfortunately, and John asked

1498
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 3: me about this.

1499
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: What I like about Drake May is that he layers and.

1500
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 3: Throws with the perfect touch, especially deep balls to his guys.

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 2: It's like he's been doing this for five years.

1502
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 17: Right.

1503
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 2: He puts the ball exactly where it needs to be.

1504
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 3: You saw it on the touchdown in the corner over

1505
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 3: Courtel Flat as well.

1506
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: The ball is exactly where it needed to be weighted.

1507
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: Right before the sideline, just over the outreached arms of

1508
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 3: Courtel Flot for a touchdown earlier in this game. And

1509
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 3: so they're well coached and they're well drilled on doing

1510
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 3: the right things and moments and making those plays in

1511
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: the moments.

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: And the Giants got to figure out how to do that.

1513
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to Walt in ocean Port. He's

1514
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 2: up next. What what's happening?

1515
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 9: Then?

1516
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: What's up? Walt?

1517
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 17: Hey? Uh? What's going on?

1518
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 13: To Key.

1519
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 17: Yesh? Listen? I love your analysis? Okay, Like from two

1520
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 17: to six every day because I listened to you and

1521
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 17: you have an awesome radio show. You are a savant, okay,

1522
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 17: and you are an awesome running back for the Giants.

1523
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 17: And I'm a giant face okay. And but you know

1524
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 17: where I got into a little difference last night, okay

1525
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 17: with c Mac was I didn't see the reason to

1526
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 17: play Jackson dark, you know, because you know we're two

1527
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 17: and nine or two you know, you know, you know

1528
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 17: he's coming out of protocol. Yeah, yeah, and we've seen enough. Okay,

1529
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 17: do you want to rest on.

1530
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: The rest of the year, Walter, just in this game? Yea,

1531
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: what do you want to see? What don't you want

1532
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: to say?

1533
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 17: I don't want to bubble I don't want to bubble

1534
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 17: wrap them. But it sounds like but but but well, okay,

1535
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 17: well you can school me in that, because you know,

1536
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 17: you're an NFL player and you're, you know, a superstar.

1537
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 17: You should be in the Hall of Fame. And I

1538
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 17: hope Scott you go to the Hall of Fame with

1539
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 17: your brother, because you should. But you know, I don't

1540
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 17: want to bubble wrap them. But I mean, like you know,

1541
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 17: Jameis Winston is thirty and thirty, I mean like you're

1542
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 17: thirty touchdowns thirty you know.

1543
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: Five back a couple of years ago, twenty nineteen.

1544
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 17: Okay, all right, fine, but you know the Giants just

1545
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 17: need wins, okay, And you know at this moment in time,

1546
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 17: it's just we just need winning. Okay. I love the coach. Okay,

1547
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 17: I love the coach that we have, Taska, And you know,

1548
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 17: now we're all around like looking around the universe, you know,

1549
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 17: looking for a coach. This guy is good enough. Okay,

1550
01:11:58,439 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 17: our defense, Well.

1551
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this wall, does it do you

1552
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: feel like because j Jackson is still learning and he's

1553
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: had the concussion issues, that that jamis Because I agree

1554
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 3: with you, winning is the only thing. Look what it

1555
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 3: did for the Jets. I mean, you're you're, I mean,

1556
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: you're you're paying attention to the Jets, even though you're

1557
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: not a Jet fan.

1558
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 2: Winning a game feels so it feels so damn good.

1559
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 3: So I think, what are you asking if Jamis gives

1560
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 3: him a better chance of winning right now?

1561
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 17: Yes, that's the question.

1562
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that is a fair question, And

1563
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 3: the answer might be yes, because there's still so much

1564
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 3: that Jackson Dart has to learn about about winning, about

1565
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 3: being on time about you know, keeping drives going and

1566
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: not making mistakes. But I would I would argue that

1567
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 3: today that wasn't on Jackson Dart. That was on THEO

1568
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 3: Johnson making plays. That was on you know, the defense

1569
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 3: not giving up you know some of these these these gashers.

1570
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 3: That's about the special teams not being an utter liability

1571
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 3: this evening against against the Patriots on the road. And

1572
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 3: so it's partly Jackson Dart. And maybe Jamis does because

1573
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 3: of his experience and his confidence standing tall in the

1574
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 3: pocket and delivering the ball where it needs to be.

1575
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 3: But he's Jackson Dart's got to learn. He's got a

1576
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: couple of things. He's got to learn. One how to

1577
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 3: manage a game, which I think he's he's doing pretty well.

1578
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: Two staying healthy. But then three, and this is the

1579
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: most important one. Winning like creating a winning situation. And

1580
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: I gotta argue, most of the time this season he's

1581
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: been he's done that right this game notwithstanding, because it

1582
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 3: felt like it was never a game after the you know,

1583
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 3: the middle of the second quarter. But I can't argue

1584
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 3: putting him down is gonna make him better, even if

1585
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 3: Jamis in the short term gives you a better chance

1586
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 3: to win a particular game and take he.

1587
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: That's the thing young players have to play to get better, right,

1588
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: And you would much rather have Dart make some of

1589
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: those rookie mistakes and learn things in games that are

1590
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 1: not going to impact your playoff position.

1591
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you have four games. Let him make mistakes.

1592
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: Let him learn from his mistakes in these four games,

1593
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: because you can. It's not gonna hurt you. You're already

1594
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 1: done in terms of the standings. You're eliminated from playoffs,

1595
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: from postseason contention. This is a perfect situation for him

1596
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: to play.

1597
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: And learn that a lot. We saw a little bit

1598
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 3: with this with Drake May last year. They weren't good

1599
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 3: and they were a bad team. And you know, we

1600
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 3: had Scott Zolac on before the before the in the

1601
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 3: pregame talking about how Drake May learned a lot from

1602
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 3: last year. But they went three games, four game, whatever

1603
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 3: it was. And you see the experience and the ability

1604
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 3: to recognize what's happening to you as a player because

1605
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 3: you've seen it. Right, It's the one thing to watch

1606
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 3: all that stuff on tape and I can sit back

1607
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 3: and watch it and say, oh, he should have done this,

1608
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 3: or he should have done that. But I'm trying to

1609
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: think of the of the moments because there would have

1610
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 3: to be multiple of them where Jackson Dart looked over match.

1611
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 3: I didn't feel that at all in this game, and

1612
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 3: I haven't felt it really for much of is his

1613
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 3: tenure here as a starter in his eight starts other

1614
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: than the New England or the New Orleans game where.

1615
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,799
Speaker 2: He had those had a fumble, those couple.

1616
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 3: Of interceptions at the end of the game, but I

1617
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: almost honestly didn't mind those. He's trying to make this game,

1618
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 3: make it a comeback win. He has never looked overwhelmed.

1619
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 3: He has not looked overwhelmed. The only thing you could

1620
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 3: argue is is the health house health side of it.

1621
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: And that one hit notwithstanding, which I don't even think

1622
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 3: was a hard hit. He's not going to feel, you know,

1623
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: the physicality of that hit. And that was the only

1624
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 3: thing that was an issue today, and it was got

1625
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: harped on.

1626
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: But I don't think it was as big a deal

1627
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 2: as it was being made out to be.

1628
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: All let's take our final time out, we'll come back,

1629
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: get through the rest of our calls, wrap things up,

1630
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,799
Speaker 1: and then Chris Bigmodil comes your way on the overnight

1631
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: right here on the fan and we'll be right back.

1632
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: Giants fall to the Patriots thirty three to fifteen.

1633
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 5: This is Mike Kafka, head coach of the New York Giants,

1634
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 5: and you're listening to the radio home of Big Blue

1635
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 5: the Fan, WFAN and Wfan FM.

1636
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,599
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1637
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1638
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,599
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1639
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1640
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,479
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1641
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: Let's go to Mike and Clifton Parki's up next, Mike,

1642
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: what's going on?

1643
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 19: And Mike, Hey, So I'm watching the game and what

1644
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 19: I'm thinking about is the culture on the Giants is

1645
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 19: pretty weak. And I'm thinking the Giants represent weak parenting

1646
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 19: and the Patriots represents strong parenting. And when you have

1647
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 19: strong parents, you have capable children that do a good job.

1648
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 19: When you're weak parenting, you have children that have boundary issues,

1649
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 19: don't who who are saft, don't do a good job.

1650
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 19: So the parents are the GM all the way down.

1651
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 19: Time to let the weak parents go. We need a

1652
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 19: new set of parents to come in. I'm worried about

1653
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 19: our rookies and our future rookies. Time to clean everything

1654
01:16:59,360 --> 01:16:59,799
Speaker 19: up here.

1655
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, no, I appreciate you, my Cai like this.

1656
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: There's some truth to that.

1657
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 3: I do think that also with young parents, as is

1658
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: the case with this staff right now. Mike kafka Is

1659
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 3: has not been a coach for a really long time,

1660
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: even though he's got a lot of experience, a lot

1661
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: of it with the Kent City Chiefs now in his

1662
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 3: first stint trying to be the head coach or learning

1663
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 3: on the job how to be a head coach, Charlie

1664
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 3: Bullen being a defensive coordinator. It's just there are there

1665
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 3: is a there's a culture that has to be you know,

1666
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 3: created and then built and puffed up and blown up

1667
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 3: so that it becomes ubiquitous, it becomes everywhere, it exists

1668
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 3: in every part of that building. And this team is

1669
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: still really young, as you know, and I don't want

1670
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: to make an excuse for them, but there at the

1671
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: beginning of the season, I think the fourth youngest team

1672
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and it's probably even younger now because

1673
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 3: of some of these young players that have had to

1674
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 3: rise to the occasion and and and have to play

1675
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: right now. But it's also not an excuse. It's still

1676
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 3: a professional game. You're still getting paid to do a job,

1677
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 3: and if you don't do it well, people lose their

1678
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: jobs head coaches, and ultimately we've moved on from a

1679
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 3: lot of the coaches on this staff.

1680
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: Eventually it's gonna be the players.

1681
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 3: I think, you know, going in the bye week, this

1682
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 3: is a it's a soul searching moment, and it's a

1683
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 3: cliche to say that, but it really is. You're gonna

1684
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 3: come out of this bye week, You're gonna hopefully get

1685
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 3: some rest. Guys like Tyrone, Tracy and others will try

1686
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 3: to get healthy, and they have to finish the season strong.

1687
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they have now winnable games, but

1688
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 3: they have an easier schedule on the backside, and those games,

1689
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 3: while they feel meaningless because they're sitting at two.

1690
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 2: And eleven right now, they are also very important.

1691
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: And at the very least from a player standpoint, you're

1692
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 3: trying to figure out, am I are convinced this organization,

1693
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 3: Am I going to be here next year, or am

1694
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: I gonna be on the street looking for something else

1695
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 3: to do for a living or somewhere else looking for

1696
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 3: to get a job. And that's the importance of the

1697
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 3: end of this regular season for the Giants. It's not

1698
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 3: meaningful football. You're in December right now. It feels like

1699
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 3: you have nothing to play for. But the last thing

1700
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: you need is for guys to want to just check

1701
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 3: out and start thinking about their vacation plans because it's

1702
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 3: important for their careers even though they're young going forward.

1703
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1704
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm not a believer of this all it carries over

1705
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: the next year. Every team is different. I don't believe

1706
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: in that stuff.

1707
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 2: But for individual players development, I think it does mean.

1708
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 3: I mean it worked for for Dan Campbell and in Detroit. Yeah,

1709
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 3: but you know, you don't know if the same head

1710
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 3: coach is even gonna be here. Well that's that's that's

1711
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: the difference, right is it. That was the early stages

1712
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 3: of Dan Campbell. It was you could feel you knew

1713
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 3: what the culture was, you know, even if you were

1714
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 3: laughing at him talking about bite meee caps and stuff,

1715
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 3: but you felt like these guys, if they if they

1716
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 3: care and they're listening to their coach.

1717
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: They are going to be biting me.

1718
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: Caps that does not get established all on the final

1719
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: four games of a loss.

1720
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 3: Suits that would gets established at the beginning in the summer,

1721
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 3: in the spring. And now you've had a culture change

1722
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 3: already because of the head coach being being being dismissed,

1723
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 3: and Mike Kafka is learning on the job and learning

1724
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 3: some of these decisions that he has to make.

1725
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 2: How to discipline players.

1726
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 3: We've seen that already with with Abdul carter Uh and

1727
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 3: then ultimately how to make the in game decisions. They're

1728
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 3: going to put you in position and put them the

1729
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 3: players in position to win.

1730
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Robbie and Lennox. He's up next, Robbie, Robbie, Hey, guys.

1731
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 14: Thanks for taking my call. Listen, I'm really frustrated. So

1732
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 14: let's go through three phases. First, we're going to talk

1733
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 14: about Jackson Dart. I agree with everything Tiki said. He

1734
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 14: needs to play. Look, there's no vertical game down the field.

1735
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 14: There's nobody I can catch anything. Even Slayton can't catch

1736
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 14: the ball, and we all know that happen.

1737
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 2: Well, I did have a he did have a great

1738
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 2: hands catch.

1739
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 14: Okay, Jackson looks like fran Tulkington.

1740
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 17: I think.

1741
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 14: Frid was my first football here, so he did look

1742
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 14: like I'm listening. Look, look, I'm all for Jackson playing. Okay,

1743
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 14: I love Jackson dark protect yourself better, though, kid, all right,

1744
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 14: I love this kid. This kid is gonna be a player,

1745
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 14: who's no doubt in my mind. Right, But he needs

1746
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 14: he needs he needs coaching and protection. Get rid of

1747
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 14: the wall quicker. First of all, Mike Cops has got

1748
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 14: to go. First of all, he looks I don't want

1749
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 14: to have him give any kind of vulcan neck pinch

1750
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 14: guys because he looks like mister Spock. Right, I can't

1751
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 14: take it. All right, that's the first, right, Let's get

1752
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 14: that out of the way.

1753
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: All right.

1754
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 14: Secondly, right, let's talk about let's talk about his stupid

1755
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 14: calls here? What is he mister pucellanimous? I thought that

1756
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 14: was Brian Dable. Here's king of the pucellanimous role. Here,

1757
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 14: it's a half? Was it a happy yard? You got

1758
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 14: a twenty point deficit, and you're gonna do this. You're

1759
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 14: gonna try to make them jump off signs. And they

1760
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 14: kicked the ball back to him. Since the worst defense

1761
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 14: I've ever seen in my life is a giant fan Tiki.

1762
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 14: Even in the seventies, I could be proud to watch

1763
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 14: Jack Gregory and Jack Mendenhall and Brian Kelly. Okay, and

1764
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 14: those guys at least were pretty good. This defense is

1765
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 14: an absolute embarrassment. And it's not even about coordinators anymore,

1766
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 14: because right now Brian Dabele Okay, Shane food and they're

1767
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 14: having a big cigar and a couple of beers in

1768
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 14: the hotel and going it's not me, it's the GM,

1769
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 14: it's the talent. But it's also effort. And they missed Tis.

1770
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 14: Let's be honest. They do miss TIBs Okay on the

1771
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 14: right side, Yeah they do. But the fact seven stink.

1772
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 3: Now.

1773
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 14: Look, I think I think the kid they got from

1774
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 14: Miami's pretty good just getting the quote. Yeah, I think

1775
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 14: Hollind is pretty talented. Okay, I think he's a good player,

1776
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,560
Speaker 14: and I think Drew Phillips has a chance to be

1777
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 14: an all propri droomates do any mistakes, But come on,

1778
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 14: can we please next year go out whoever comes in,

1779
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 14: go in and get me a linebacker? Please say Tonio

1780
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 14: Pearce is gonna probably come in and play or something

1781
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 14: because the last time they had linebacker teak.

1782
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Robbie, you bring up something interesting.

1783
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 3: Hold on, you bring up something interesting, because what can't

1784
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 3: happen is guys getting around. I remember having this early,

1785
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 3: you know, when we were when we were struggling, we'd

1786
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 3: have we'd call it the hot box. You get into that,

1787
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 3: you get into the uh, into the sauna, and that's

1788
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 3: where you guys would just talk and you couldn't be

1789
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: offended no matter what was said. You couldn't be defended

1790
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 3: if you got heated, get out right and so. But

1791
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 3: but you needed, you needed that kind of real talk.

1792
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 3: And the last thing you need, and you alluded to this, Robbie,

1793
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 3: is them starting to say, well, you know, it's the coach.

1794
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 3: He's not putting me in the best position to excel,

1795
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 3: you know. And it's the play call that wasn't a good.

1796
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 2: Call for me.

1797
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 3: It's now about finding ways to make even if it

1798
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 3: is a bad call.

1799
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 14: Confidence ticky to get a happy yard when you're down

1800
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 14: by twenty four.

1801
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:24,839
Speaker 19: I agree with that.

1802
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 2: At that point, nothing had nothing to lose.

1803
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're down by twenty you're gonna be and you're

1804
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 3: gonna be aggressive. That's your at your mantra. That's what

1805
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 3: Mike Kaska has said. And then you and then you

1806
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 3: don't do it.

1807
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 14: Have a third down, weeight, have a third down three

1808
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 14: for a horizontal pass for minus three and you're now

1809
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 14: fourth and sixth. How stupid was that one? Yeah, Joe

1810
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 14: can never find a kicker. What do we get to

1811
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 14: the next year? Bring back the you know, you know,

1812
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:56,520
Speaker 14: the ghost of Ralph. Anyway, guys, thanks, I appreciate your Robbie.

1813
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 3: The three yard loss on third and three and made

1814
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 3: it fourth and that they now had to go for

1815
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 3: I think Jackson Dart would will want that one back.

1816
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: I don't think he looked at it.

1817
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 3: I don't think he recognized I forget what this with

1818
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 3: the Who the corner was? I think it was Carlton Davis.

1819
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 3: I don't think he realized that. Carlton Davis didn't move

1820
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 3: on the play. He was lined up in press. He

1821
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 3: was his job.

1822
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, if I'm gonna have to re look

1823
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: at it.

1824
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 3: It's probably man is probably a type of man coverage,

1825
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 3: and so Carlton Davis had the back or he had

1826
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 3: the flat, and so.

1827
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: He just stayed there.

1828
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feels like he was darn almost went to

1829
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: the college mode where a lane told me that on

1830
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: this play, I'm throwing to this guy and that's just.

1831
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: What he did, and that's exactly what he did. And

1832
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 2: it was dead.

1833
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 3: It was dead from jump and there was a better

1834
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 3: option on that play.

1835
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know it because I didn't. I

1836
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: have to relook at it.

1837
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 3: But it was not that it was a difference making

1838
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,839
Speaker 3: play in the game because they were already down heavy,

1839
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 3: but it felt like it crushed momentum and then they

1840
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: didn't get it on fourth down.

1841
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Jay and woodme or he

1842
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: will wrap us up today. Jay, what's going on?

1843
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 17: Man?

1844
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 9: Even during the day, I just want to say that

1845
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 9: the game was horrible game. They do all the bad things,

1846
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 9: all the small things. They just can't get straight. They

1847
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 9: can't kick theo chops with the drop in the end zone.

1848
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 9: But the ends justify the means. They deferred to win,

1849
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 9: and that's all that matters.

1850
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: Jay's looking for draft picks, and right now, for the

1851
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: fans that do keep track of that, the Giants do

1852
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: have the second overall pick in the draft.

1853
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:28,799
Speaker 3: Now, this was Tommy lou Gowers effort. He was efforting

1854
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: this a couple of weeks ago. I need to find

1855
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 3: a new way to say tanking. Giants are not tanking. No,

1856
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 3: and so the word I might have been Jay who

1857
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 3: came up with this deferred winning.

1858
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: Deferred winning.

1859
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 3: So position yourself to get a better player and defer

1860
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: the winning which is gonna happen next year.

1861
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 2: Here's the problem.

1862
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: When the Giants go on the by, there are two

1863
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: other teams are too lost with with only two wins.

1864
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: So if they both lose next week, the Giants will

1865
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: be tied with those two teams, and the Giants will

1866
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: lose the tie breaker to those two teams because they

1867
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: have a tougher strength of schedule. The Saints one I

1868
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: remember the other one at the top of my head,

1869
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: and the Titans have have only one win.

1870
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens there. I still think Giants tiki.

1871
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 1: The Giants will figure out a way to win one

1872
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: or two more games year, and I think that's I'd

1873
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: be very surprised that they were picking second or third in.

1874
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: This shi agory. And look, you gotta feel good about

1875
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: your season.

1876
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 3: You gotta feel good about the product that you are

1877
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 3: working for every single day.

1878
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 2: Of the week. To get better at and the only

1879
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 2: way to do that is to win.

1880
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 3: And we saw this against the earlier in this season

1881
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 3: when they won those couple of games against teams they

1882
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 3: weren't supposed to beat, and it felt like, man, if

1883
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 3: only if only one or two plays had gone our way,

1884
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 3: we'd be in the conversation a little bit more. And

1885
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 3: the only way to get that feeling back is to

1886
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 3: win a football game.

1887
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: Period. Yeah.

1888
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: Look, we have our draft podcast Draft Season on the

1889
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: Giants app, Giants dot com, Giants YouTube channel.

1890
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: And this is not a.

1891
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: Blue chip, top five draft class anyway. It's not like

1892
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get even an Aiden Hutchinson level type of

1893
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: There are a couple of good ed rushers in this

1894
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: Arval Reeze, Rubin Bain.

1895
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,759
Speaker 3: There are some very good wide receivers in this draft.

1896
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: Not top five wide receivers, no, but guys I think

1897
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: who can be impactful Colonel Tate, Jordan Dyson. The Giants

1898
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: are hopefully going to find somebody in this draft, no

1899
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: matter where they pick.

1900
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 2: You can always find someone in the NFL draft team, right.

1901
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 3: But the most important thing is that they got to

1902
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 3: find a coach who's going to motivate this team the

1903
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,959
Speaker 3: right way and get them to play mistake free football.

1904
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: Make that the culture, all right, take before we say

1905
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 1: good by our team, that's gonna take over at one am.

1906
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: Late bye week Like this, it's a lost season.

1907
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: What's the mentality now for players heading into this buy

1908
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: and coming back from it kind of ready to go

1909
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: through those last time?

1910
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 3: I mean, the instinct is to want to just disconnect.

1911
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 3: But if this was me, that's the last thing I

1912
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 3: could do is disconnect, I'd want to be there. I'd

1913
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 3: want to I'd be grinding on tape longer because now

1914
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 3: I have time to do it.

1915
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 2: I'd be finding.

1916
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 3: Self scouting, looking at what can I individually as players

1917
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 3: do better? What did I do wrong over these last

1918
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 3: few games, especially the tight ones where they had chances

1919
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 3: to win? How can I be better or help the

1920
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 3: guy next to me be better? Because that's the only

1921
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 3: way you're gonna get better is to not just take

1922
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 3: accountability for yourself, but also how to make the team

1923
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: around you and your specific position better.

1924
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 2: That's the only way to go forward, and.

1925
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: That's why Tiki's one of the best players in franchise history.

1926
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: For the New Football Giants, Tikey, enjoy your bye week.

1927
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 2: My friend will talk to you in a couple weeks

1928
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: you as well. My friend for Tiggy Barbara, I'm John Schmelt.

1929
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,439
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1930
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Speaker 1: official bank of.

1931
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Speaker 2: The New York Giants.

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1936
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Speaker 1: more of Moodies dot Com. Chris mcmoni is coming your

1937
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Speaker 1: way next. Thank you, Connor Green. Thank you for our

1938
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: entire crew on the road, Pete Hoffman, Griffin Ward, Chris Magakowski.

1939
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you to Bob Popacarl Banks and Howard

1940
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: Cross for taking care of things as well for continuing

1941
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: covers of the Giants, Giants dot Com, Giants Mobile at

1942
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: Giants YouTube Channel, bag Boo Kickoff Live coming your way

1943
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: tomorrow at twelve thirty. Paul Latino, Lance Medal will break

1944
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: down the game and then Joe Shane will have his

1945
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: by week press conference.

1946
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 2: Tomorrow.

1947
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: It looks like around one five so I'm not sure

1948
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: if that's gonna be live on Giants dot com. I

1949
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 1: will have full reaction to that as well when that

1950
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: press conference is concluded. Thank you so much for being

1951
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: with us today. Thank you will be back in a

1952
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: couple of weeks when the Giants host the Commanders on

1953
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: December thirteenth, Sunday at one pm pregame on the fan

1954
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: at eleven a m for an entire crew. I am

1955
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: John Shrunk. Thanks for being with us. Giants again fall

1956
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: to the Patriots on Monday Night Football. Then now two

1957
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: and eleven thirty three to fifteen. Chris mcmonel will coming

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Speaker 1: your way next right here on the.

1959
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