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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: Light Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire.

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Speaker 2: To Hunt podcast. This week on the show, I'm breaking

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Speaker 2: down the four year journey that led to me tagging

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Speaker 2: my number one target buck in Michigan, the Wide Nine.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the Wire two Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by First Light. And today I've got a

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Speaker 2: story that I'm very, very glad to be able to share. Finally,

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Speaker 2: this is a story of blind luck, some bad luck, perseverance,

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Speaker 2: good fortune in redemption. It's got all the makings, Tony

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Speaker 2: of a Hollywood blockbuster.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's ambitious, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you gotta shoot for the sky when you're

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Speaker 2: hyping up your your stories, and that's what I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: do here. But but yes, for anyone who's been listening

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Speaker 2: to the podcast this year or even last year, you've

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Speaker 2: likely heard about this deer that I've called the Wide nine.

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Speaker 2: It's five and a half year old buck that I

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Speaker 2: have been able to follow for four years actually and

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Speaker 2: I killed him, believe it or not, got him. So

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Speaker 2: I want to tell that full story. You know, we

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Speaker 2: talked several weeks ago about, you know, when I got

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Speaker 2: a shot at him with a bow and hit him

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Speaker 2: in the shoulder. We talked last week about how I

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Speaker 2: was still bumming about it and processing it, and we

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Speaker 2: had a rapid set of events here recently that changed

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Speaker 2: that whole story. So here's my thoughts, Tony, And you

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Speaker 2: tell me if this is a stupid I but I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking of going all the way to the beginning, like

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Speaker 2: go way back in time and walk us through like

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Speaker 2: the steps from years ago, and then break down a

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Speaker 2: more detail what happened this year, and then throughout anywhere

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Speaker 2: you've got questions or anywhere you want to press me,

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Speaker 2: or anywhere you think there's like a larger less than

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Speaker 2: that we can jump on, let's stop and let's talk

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Speaker 2: through that kind of stuff and try to make this

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Speaker 2: as universally helpful to people as we can.

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Speaker 3: Sure I think that works, man, All right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to rewind the clock all the way

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Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty to start this story, because twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty was the first year that I noticed this dear,

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Speaker 2: and this spot is the same spot, you know, same

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Speaker 2: general area where I've killed a handful of my Michigan

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Speaker 2: bucks over recent years. I've got permission on now it's

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Speaker 2: three properties. I've had various permissions around this general zone

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Speaker 2: over the years, and I think I've had permission on

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Speaker 2: four different spots kind of off and on. Sometimes I

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Speaker 2: can hunt him, sometimes I can't. Sometimes there's other people,

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Speaker 2: sometimes there's not. But this year I have permission on

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Speaker 2: three pieces in this zone, and three seasons ago, well

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Speaker 2: four four seasons ago, I guess. So twenty twenty, I

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Speaker 2: was after that big, tall eight pointer that we called Tran.

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Speaker 2: I was hunting that deer and everywhere that deer. Everywhere

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Speaker 2: I was going to hunt that deer, I saw this wide,

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Speaker 2: short time nine pointer and I just saw him. Everyone

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Speaker 2: was very active. He was in this thick brushy bedding

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Speaker 2: couldn't get away from this deer. So every time I

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Speaker 2: was noticeable because of how wide he was, and I

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Speaker 2: don't get many young deer that are that wide. So

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Speaker 2: have something to refer to this deer when I would die,

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Speaker 2: I saw that wide nine again. So that's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I end up killing that deer Tran. The following year,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, I did not hunt this zone as

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Speaker 2: I was like just traveling like crazy. But the wide

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Speaker 2: Like I remember getting pictures of him the summer and

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Speaker 2: And I was pretty sure, like I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: Like is that a shooter? And again he was in

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Speaker 2: this like five to eight acre betting zone that I'm

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Speaker 2: on one of the southern properties in the south of me.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't hunt up in the wide Nines cors

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Speaker 2: a whole lot that year, but I had some cameras,

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Speaker 2: had a bunch of encounters, passed him two different times

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two season. He's going to be a four

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Speaker 2: but I did find one of his antlers from his

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Speaker 2: And he disappeared for a long time. And I told

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Speaker 2: And I know I wasn't going to shoot another deer,

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Speaker 2: So we just watched him. It was very fun. Ever

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Speaker 2: was stoked. The next day. We have a wind shift

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Speaker 2: But I've got hayball blind about one hundred some yards

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Speaker 2: give a shot. He's like, yeah, yeah, we gotta do it, Dad.

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Speaker 2: did we blow it up this bad last night? Like

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Speaker 2: I didn't think anything winded us like we got out

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Speaker 2: of there good. I thought like we would have another

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Speaker 2: good hunt. And it was actually colder that day. I

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Speaker 2: thought it'd be a little bit better conditions. But for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, nothing wanted to come out. But at very

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Speaker 2: last light, I actually think I had stood up in

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Speaker 2: I had glass over some tall grass to see to

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Speaker 2: the very back corner of that bean field, and there

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Speaker 2: he is. He's standing right in that inside corner, just

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Speaker 2: of looking around, surveying the field, like probably wondering where

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Speaker 2: the hecker all the rest of the deer. And so

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Speaker 2: I grabbed my gun and I put the scope out

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Speaker 2: the top of the blind, and I can see him

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Speaker 2: in the scope and I'm looking at him, but I'm

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Speaker 2: like thinking it's dark, and I tell Ever I look

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Speaker 2: back at Ever. I'm like, hey, cover your ears, Like

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Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, if I remember it's one

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Speaker 4: Then the next one you're like, I have another shot

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Speaker 4: when you don't rush it that way. Isn't it crazy

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Speaker 2: That's such a good point and it's so hard to

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Speaker 4: It's it's almost always a bad thing if you have

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Speaker 4: But if you have that pressure and it's just self imposed,

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's it's not like you make

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Speaker 4: Like, well, for sure, it's like it's actually the lack

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean, how many times have you

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Speaker 2: there's always that feeling like this is this is a

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know many times, at least I've

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Speaker 2: I've never heard that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that is something that I'm learning

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Speaker 2: And there's so many opportunities for air yes, like pass them,

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Speaker 2: Then yeah, yeah, that is the absolute truth. And I

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Speaker 2: be five and a half and coming into him thinking like,

432
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: all right, man, he should be five and a half

433
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: because I've followed him last three years and I believe

434
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: he made it, and I had all these encounters over

435
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: the previous years. I've seen where he spends a lot

436
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: of time, I've found his shed. I think he's probably

437
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: gonna be the one that he's going to be the

438
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: deer I'm after this year. So this spring I started

439
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: preparing to hunt him specifically, I was like, all right,

440
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna be the one old deer. He's gonna be

441
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 2: the one I'm after. So what are the things I

442
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 2: need to do or what are the things I know?

443
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 2: Number one thing I know about this deer is that

444
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: he spent a lot of time on the north properties

445
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: I've permissioned on and almost no time on the South properties.

446
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: So spend some extra time walking around the north just

447
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 2: like just trying to look at the property of the

448
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: New Eyes again, like all right, just just think through

449
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 2: like big picture, what have we seen in the past,

450
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 2: Howard dear you doing this kind of stuff. Just tried

451
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,719
Speaker 2: to like make sure I've got the puzzle pieces right

452
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: in my head. Did that earlier this year, shed hunting,

453
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: and then I was able to make a couple of

454
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: habitat improvements on one of the properties I've got access to.

455
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: I can make some improvement, So I, you know, try

456
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: to do my food plots in a different kind of

457
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: way this year to make them like I really really

458
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: really want to try to get these food plots to

459
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 2: work out right. This year, I frost seeded and actually

460
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 2: seated a two track trail that I used to not

461
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: have planted. I planted that did some hinge cutting. Long

462
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: story short on all of this is that the two

463
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: track came as a nice clover path, which is great.

464
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: The food plots were really hard to make work because

465
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: of drought this summer. I'm doing trying to do no till,

466
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: so I'm trying to not till it all up, trying

467
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: to do like a rotation. I was able to get

468
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: something going in both of these two plots I can plant,

469
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: but I had to do it multiple seedings and all

470
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: sorts of stuff. So it's kind of like a nightmare

471
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: this summer trying to make all that work. But I

472
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: just knew, like one of the best opportunities I have

473
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: for these deer is I've got these two little plots

474
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 2: right on the west and south side of his main bedroom.

475
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: And so anytime any deer is in this big north

476
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: bedding area, a lot like if that's like their favorite

477
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: place to be, which a couple of these deer I've

478
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: hundred over the years. It has been if you've got

479
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: a deer like that, you've got a good chance either

480
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: on those plots or as they transition to those plots,

481
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: if you can get them to actually come in well.

482
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: And I've had some years that they have not come

483
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: in well, especially as I've been trying to do this

484
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: no tail thing. So I've been trying to test no till,

485
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: trying to do better stuff for the soil and use

486
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: less herbicide and all that, and that's been like hit

487
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: or miss. Some of the plots have been okay, some

488
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: years not so much. But I just really tried to

489
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 2: make them work this year, and I would give them

490
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: like a B plus maybe be so did all that,

491
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: you know checked. I've got a handful of tree stands

492
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: that have been up forever that I keep up and

493
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: just check every summer. And then I'm also always trying

494
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: to like add a spot or two or prep another

495
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: tree or two for my saddle. So there's a couple

496
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 2: places that I've just kind of thought through locations I

497
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: have or haven't a hunt in the past, you know,

498
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: what might be a good tree to add to the mix,

499
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: just to have already ahead of time. So I've added

500
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: a couple spots like that. I just tried to this year.

501
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: I've been hunting here a long time, so it's easy

502
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: to just like fall back into the same old, same old.

503
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: What I tried to do leading to this year was

504
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: like think about specific situations that it might have with

505
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: this deer and try to like tighten things up a

506
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: little bit. So, for example, on the back food plot,

507
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: there's this is the food plot that is on the

508
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: southern edge of that betting zone. I've had a tree

509
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: stand out there forever. I've had some success there but

510
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: had not killed any well, I did kill one buck

511
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: out of the food plot. But what I'm getting at

512
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: here is that I thought, like, there's a situation here

513
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: where you might be able to get a shot out

514
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: of deer here. But there's a couple of situations where

515
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: I found where things don't work out, Like if you've

516
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: got any kind of south in the west wind, if

517
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: there's any kind of movement with that wind, you can

518
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: end up getting winded by deer. So I thought, you

519
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: know what, I need to have a second stand location

520
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: on this plot for when I've got you know, any

521
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: bit of like southwest or south southwest, or just give

522
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: me a few more options. I'm going to do another

523
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: stand over here and then I'm going to put slay

524
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: some tree tops down on one side to make sure

525
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: that if deer do come in the food plot, there's

526
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: a better chance that they come out in range of

527
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: this side of the plot instead of the other plot.

528
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: So it's like just stuff like that, like and a

529
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: bunch of my different stand setups. I was just trying to,

530
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: you know, look for what's the little detail thing I

531
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: could do better this year. So in this case, was

532
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: trying to make sure that if anything came this half

533
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: acre plot, I would have a shot at it. And

534
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: you know, in the past, maybe I'd be good sixty

535
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: five percent of the time, and now I'm good eighty

536
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: five percent of the time. So I was doing those

537
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: types of things all around this main core area that

538
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: I thought he would spend the most time on, and

539
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: then late summer put out my cameras and bailed out

540
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: at the end of August and stayed out of there

541
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: in September. I take that back. One other thing to

542
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: take note of is I went out a couple times

543
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 2: in August and glassed a neighboring field that was beans

544
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: that was adjacent to all this, and saw him twice.

545
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: And so that just confirmed for me like, all right,

546
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 2: you know, he's doing the things he used to do.

547
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: He's in this core area. I started to get a

548
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: few pictures. So all of this just basically says, all right,

549
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: your plan will work. He's here, he's doing his thing.

550
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: He's big bodied, he's he's who he was. Then September

551
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: rolls around. I stay out. I basically for like my

552
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: local properties, try to leave them untouched until opening the day.

553
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: The night before opening day, I wanted to try to

554
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: get an idea of like, you know, is he coming

555
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: out to one of these spots. Can I see where

556
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: he's crossing one of these openings? Can I see into

557
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: this little bedding zone. There's some thick brushy grass. So

558
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: I go and actually get out to this hilltop and

559
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: bring a step leader out and put a step leadder

560
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: in the standing corn on a hilltop so I can

561
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: see over the standing corn. I do that, and I

562
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: actually glass him up in this grassy bottom down beneath me,

563
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: which is a spot I had never seen him before,

564
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: so not in the core zone where I thought he was. Instead,

565
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: he's like way up by the road. So you and

566
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: I were talking about this, you know, a month ago

567
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: or two months ago whenever this happened, right, And you

568
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: said he might be doing that more often, right, I mean,

569
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: it's it's a safe spot. I never go in there,

570
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: nobody ever goes in there, so it's one hundred percent

571
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: pressure free. He's close to the road but also close

572
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: to where I access, so you know, he maybe knows

573
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: some of the time when I'm coming and out because

574
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: I go along the south edge of this grassy swale

575
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: to get in and out of the property most of

576
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: the time. So that was like an eye opening moment

577
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: for me where I was like, huh, I wonder if

578
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: this is a thing that has happened more often. And

579
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: see him that night. Next day, hunt over in that

580
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: zone and I don't see him, And if I can

581
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: fast forward here a little bit, over the course of

582
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: the next three ish weeks, the next two weeks, I

583
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: spot him one night when I couldn't hunt, but I

584
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: could it was either a night or morning. But I

585
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: saw him another time in that grassy swale, So he's

586
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: twice now that I've seen him in that grassy swale,

587
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: betted and standing up. And then I got a picture

588
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: of him in daylight on the back plot. So the

589
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 2: south of the edge of his betting air on like

590
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: the eighth So there was like, you know, I can't

591
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: remember with the specifics, but basically once a week I

592
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: was getting at some kind of daylight sighting of him,

593
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: which continued into the month of October, which was surprising

594
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: to me because lots of times like I'll have these

595
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: deer you know, around, but then once opening day hits,

596
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: then it's pretty much ghost town for a while. But

597
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: he kept like kind of showing up and a little

598
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: different different spots every time. It wasn't like he was

599
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: always going towards the west or always going to the south.

600
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: There was no kind of pattern that I could kind

601
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: of figure out as far as like how to predict

602
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: where he might daylight. I knew it was just around

603
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: this core like ten acre ish bedding zone, but how

604
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: he left that, you know, I had no idea, And

605
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: so as we talked about throughout this fall, that was

606
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: like my challenge throughout October. I was trying to figure out,

607
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: how do I make sure I'm in the right place

608
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: because I know this deer, this deer still feels comfortable. Fortunately,

609
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: I was able to be you know, careful with when

610
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: I hunted him where I hunted in a way that

611
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: was low impact. So I just try to really careful

612
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: about how I access, really careful about how to get

613
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: out of there, and enough so that he was still

614
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: showing up every once in a while. But I just

615
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: couldn't find a rhyme or reason to why he might

616
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: go in any one direction. So finally one of the

617
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: things we talked about was, hey, maybe we just need

618
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: to like volume hunt a spot and sit a location

619
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: for two or three evenings in a row or something

620
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: like that. And so I did try that maybe like

621
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: in the twenties of October or something like that. Still

622
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: didn't see him take off for a week, go to

623
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: deer camp, do a thing up there. I come back

624
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: from deer camp, and now it's late October and we're

625
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: moving into the rut, and this is basically my window

626
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: that I think, like, this is probably my last best

627
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: chance to kill him, because I had like four or

628
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: five days I could hunt from late October through like

629
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: the first of November, and then I had to leave

630
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: for Nebraska. And over past years he disappeared for parts

631
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: of November. And it just becomes harder killes deer during

632
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: the rut because they're off doing other things. So I thought, man,

633
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: like I got a push into the good stuff. So

634
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: throughout most of October I was hunting around the exterior

635
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: of that betting zone and just trying to catch him

636
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: when he moved out, and now I was going to

637
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: go into it. So I go in that first morning,

638
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: push in like right to the edge of like the

639
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: core of the core, and see him locked on a dough,

640
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: watch him kind of follow a dough just stand around

641
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: with her maybe one hundred some one hundred and fifty

642
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: yards away something like that. And this is in this

643
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: like thick, tall brushy grassy stuff. I can just kind

644
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: of barely see him through this tall grass. Disappears midday,

645
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: I pulled on the set, try to relocate to another

646
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: spot that gets me closer to them, but then also

647
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: in between the direction they think they're going to transition

648
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: out to end up not seeing him again that night,

649
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: but saw a bunch of deer and it looked to

650
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: me like he was still in this little tiny thicket

651
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: where I last saw him all throughout the evening, because

652
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: you know when those satellite bucks just kind of like

653
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: stand around looking like dummies, staring into a thicket, just

654
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: standing there and then another buck comes out and they're

655
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: all just kind of standing around staring when there's a

656
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: buck locked on doe in there there's hot dough. It

657
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: was that kind of deal. So next morning, I'll go

658
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: really fast this part because we did talk about this,

659
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: you know, two weeks ago or three weeks ago or

660
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: whatever it was when it happened. The next morning is

661
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: the morning when I had the wind issue part way

662
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: through the morning hunt, and we decided, like, man, this

663
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: wind is awful. It's blowing into the bedding area. You know,

664
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: it shifted on me. This just isn't gonna work. So

665
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: I decided part way through the morning hunt that I

666
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: had to bail because I was just ruining the property

667
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: with this wind that was doing what was not supposed

668
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: to do. So as I'm climbing out of the tree,

669
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: were about to climb out of the tree, I'm lower

670
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: my bow, I hear something, and of course the wide

671
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: nine is right next to me going through this twenty

672
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: yard lane and he walks through before me able to

673
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: get my bow up in the tow row. Boff, and

674
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: he catches this swirl of wind and kind of trots off,

675
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: not like fully, like out of there. Like a bat

676
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: out of hell. But no, something's not right, so he

677
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: books it back into the thick thick I hang or

678
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: pull down the set, and then we do a big

679
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: half circle all the way around to the other side

680
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: of the property, to the other side of the bedding area.

681
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: Have a hell of a time trying to find somewhere

682
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: to set up there that night. Eventually find a tree

683
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: that'll work. And what I'm setting up now. Previously I

684
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: was just off. I was like doing a downwind of

685
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: the dough betting air kind of set up that morning,

686
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: but the wind shifted. So now to be downwind of

687
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: this main dough betting ara, I have to be to

688
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: the other side. Gets set up there in the saddle,

689
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: and as you know, about an hour before dark or

690
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: forty five minutes before dark something like that. Here he

691
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: comes cruising out on this side. I snort, reads him in.

692
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: He circles into forty yards. I take the shot. He jumps,

693
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: the string, hits him in the shoulder, runs off. You

694
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: can see a big like what seems like almost the

695
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: entire arrow hanging out of him and like flopping. When

696
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: he runs off, I'm immediately think shoulder shot. We wait,

697
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: I don't know a few hours till my friends get

698
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: there and pick up the trail. We have blood for

699
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: you know, a long ways, but not good blood. We'll

700
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: have like drop here, smear here, drop here, smear here.

701
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: We're able to follow that blood. Plus with my buddy's

702
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: dog that he always brings, we covered three quarters of

703
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: a mile, much of which was like he was just walking,

704
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: like he went down a single corn row for like

705
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: half a mile or something like that, like just just

706
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: follow that row, just forever, and then he jay hooked

707
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: back into his bedroom, lost blood, kept looking, didn't find anything,

708
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: and you know, at that point we're all what we

709
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: all thought from the beginning, but had to make sure.

710
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: It was like man looking at footage, looking at everything,

711
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: it looks like this shot just hit the shoulder, and

712
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: you know, either it poked through or was just behind

713
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: the shoulder enough that had got into the vitals. And

714
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: if that's the case, that'd be a dead deer like

715
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: fast and we would have seen a great blood trail

716
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: or hits the shoulder and there's this blood trail that

717
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: Peter's out and you know he's alive. So you know,

718
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: we talked about how devastating that was for me, and

719
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: frustrating that was for me, you know, to what we

720
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier, Tony. This is just another huge

721
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: reminder of why I just want to focus more and

722
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: more on minimizing any kind of error versus trying to

723
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: get more you know, poking out there for more opportunities,

724
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: just because I hate, hate, hate that feeling of missing

725
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: a deer or wounding a deer. You know, it was

726
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: you know, it's the worst, it's the absolute worst. It

727
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: changes you, yeah, it does. And this was the I'm

728
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: trying to think of. This is right. This is the

729
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: first buck that I have ever hit and not recovered

730
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: that I can think of. And so I've missed I've

731
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: missed you plenty of deer, but this was the first

732
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: one that I hit and wounded it and couldn't recover it.

733
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: And I take that back. I did hit like ten

734
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: years ago or something. I hit that buck back and

735
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: it killed him, but I missed him didn't find him

736
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: until later in the year. But so so point being,

737
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: this was like the thing that everyone talks about and

738
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: this dreaded and it's like always the worst case scenario,

739
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: and I had just gotten, you know, been lucky that

740
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: it hadn't happened yet to me in this kind of way,

741
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: but now it had, and it just so happened to

742
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: be a deer. You know, I'd been chasing for four

743
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 2: years and had put all this time and energy into

744
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: and was you know, really really really invested in and

745
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: then I go and screw this whole thing up. And

746
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: so you know, that just got me thinking about again,

747
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: like this, it's a game of inches, and if it

748
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: had been a couple of inches back or you know whatever,

749
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: it might be a couple of inches lower, probably less

750
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: than that, it would have been smoke city game over,

751
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: high fives, hugs, all the good stuff. And instead I'm

752
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: losing sleep at night and just very very disappointed with

753
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: the whole thing. So that was you know where our

754
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: podcast a couple of weeks ago left off, right. You know,

755
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: we talked about me trying to change my archery set,

756
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: get to a quieter setup, maybe because you know, I

757
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: had a bunch of deer jumping the string with my

758
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: current setup. This was the second buck this year that

759
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: made a significant move jump in a spin at the shop,

760
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: both forty yard shots to our earlier points. So I

761
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: started thinking through all that kind of stuff and you know,

762
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: we talked about pulling in range, you know, maybe not

763
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: taking those forty yard shots anymore, which I've not decided

764
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: I'm not doing. I'm a thirty yard pinner now for

765
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: a while at least, and proud of it. And someone

766
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: texted me or sent me a message or something after that,

767
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: hearing that podcast, and they just said, like, you know,

768
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: that's something like we've been. We've been like, what's the

769
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: way I'm looking for here? Glorifying long shots too much? Right,

770
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: We're like, oh, man, that guy's so awesome. Look at

771
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: this guy can shoot one hundred yards and well that's incredible.

772
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: And so now it's almost like a badge of honors, say, oh, yeah,

773
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: killed them at sixty, but we should be glorifying like

774
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: I killed them at ten. Yeah, Like, how about let's

775
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: let's get like under twenty yards, Like, man, that that's

776
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: the most hunting skills. Can you get that close to

777
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: a deer and not know you or not know that

778
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: you're there?

779
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: That this long range stuff with bows and with the

780
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: rifles is not doing us any favors.

781
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: No, it's not. So so I'm going to start giving

782
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: guys extra big high fives for when they kill deer

783
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: within thirty or within twenty or you know, teens lower.

784
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: Like man, you're that's the real hunter right there. So

785
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: that's my new goal is to start killing super close

786
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: range deer. Minimize chances for air. It's harder to pull off,

787
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: but a better chance of the shot. Good shots. Just

788
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: harder to be able to get a deer that close,

789
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to say. That's that's what I

790
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: want to start, really positioning myself for no more of

791
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: this forty yard stuff.

792
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: So you're really making your bed here.

793
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 4: So I hope next year your hit laster doesn't show

794
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 4: up at forty yards mark because.

795
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: I really, I really, I really feel invested in this, Tony.

796
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: But you're right, all right, all right, but I just

797
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: it's just no fun being in that situation.

798
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no fun at all.

799
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 4: So your shoulder shoot him and then he disappears for

800
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 4: a long time.

801
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did not think he would, like I

802
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: really thought, like a few days later I was gonna

803
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: get pictures of him again. I thought he was gonna

804
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: be out there chasing doze like I watched that footage

805
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: so many times, and it seems like that arrow was

806
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: like bobbling, like I mean there's like thirty inches of

807
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: arrow sticking out, it seems like, and you can see

808
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: it go up and down, up and down. So I'm

809
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: like thinking, there's hardly anything in there that's gonna pop out,

810
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: and he's just gonna be off to the races again.

811
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: So I take off. I have to go to the

812
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: Braska Mark.

813
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me run this scenario by you, because you

814
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: you had had a close encounter and he had winded

815
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: you that morning too to some a little bit, a

816
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: little bit bogogery, right, and then you hit him. Imagine

817
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: if you went to a bar somewhere yea, and early

818
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: in the night some dude was like you're that ware

819
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 4: to hunt prick, aren't you, and you were like whatever,

820
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 4: and he's like I'm gonna stab you, and you just

821
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 4: walk away.

822
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 3: You're like I don't want to get into this.

823
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: And then later bar close, you're walking out the door

824
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: and that dude runs up to you and he just

825
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like a bad stab, but it's like,

826
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: you know, you got stabbed. Would you be like, I'm

827
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: definitely going back to that bar tomorrow night?

828
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, you make a good point, Tony.

829
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 4: He do make a good I think we'll just find

830
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: someplace else to go for a little while.

831
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't have been that surprised, I guess,

832
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: but yeah, maybe I was a little too optimistic he'd

833
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: be right back. But I got back from Nebraska and

834
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: I kill a buck Nebraska, turn around, come right back

835
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: and think, Okay, I'm gonna go back start hunting him

836
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: and he'll be there, hopefully. But he wasn't. And what

837
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: my plan was is that I would I brought in

838
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: cameras and I was hunting in the interior of the

839
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: interior again, because now we're in like November six, November

840
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: sex of November eighth, like your best possible day is

841
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: probably in pretty good weather and all that kind of stuff.

842
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: So I've hunted right in there and I wasn't seeing

843
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: him and didn't have pictures anywhere. But I thought, you know,

844
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: let's since I'm gonna be in this is the one

845
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: hunt of the year, I'm gonna be in this stuff, like,

846
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: let's hand camera. So I hung a couple of cameras

847
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: right in the belly of the beast. And then after three,

848
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: three or four days of hunting with no sightings, nothing,

849
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: I started thinking I think I gotta just like pull

850
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: out and wait because I'm just like putting a bunch

851
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: of pressure on this place, and I'm not feeling like

852
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: he's here right now. I don't know what's going on

853
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: if he's like I had all the worries going through

854
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: my mind, and I don't think I told you this story,

855
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: but the first day back from Nebraska, and if I

856
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: told you this, tell me, because I'm We've talked about

857
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: all this stuff, like so many different little bits and

858
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: pieces over the years. I don't know what's what. But

859
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: my first hunt back after returning from Nebraska, we go

860
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: to hunt and I'm slipping into a tree. I'm and

861
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: go set up and hanging hunt and I see a

862
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: white belly. They tell you about this, And I see

863
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: a white belly and I'm like, oh no. And this

864
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: isn't that far away from where we stop tracking. I'm

865
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: within one hundred yards of where we finally gave up.

866
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: And so I see a white belly and I'm like,

867
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: oh no. And so I'm like, we got to go

868
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: see this. And we get closer and then I can

869
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: see antlers. I'm like, holy shit, he's here dead. And

870
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: we were one hundred yards away or eighty yards away

871
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: from him, and he was right here. So I had,

872
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: like my stomach fell to my knees, and I'm walking

873
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: up and thinking like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it.

874
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: And then I get up to a close enough point

875
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: I can see it. It's actually just a dead year

876
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: and a half old. But for like a minute or two,

877
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: there serious panic. So so all that happens, and eventually

878
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: I just said, Okay, I just got to get out

879
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: of here, and I don't know what's going on, but

880
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to blow this place up if he's

881
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: gone or if he's you know, so either One thing

882
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 2: I thought was maybe the shot did kill him somehow.

883
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: I start having, like, you know, all the worst case

884
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: scenarios running through my mind. So is there any way

885
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: this could have killed him? So you had, like I

886
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: was texting you and we were talking on the podcast,

887
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: like is there some way this deer did die and

888
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: he's actually laying out there somewhere? Do I need to

889
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: go and like search more of this place than I did?

890
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: Do I need to like call off the season? And

891
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: then the other thing was like is he somewhere else?

892
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: Do I need to start? I don't know, try to

893
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: get permission on other properties, or do I need to

894
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I had all these thoughts he's gone,

895
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: he's dead, or maybe he's injured and just like laying

896
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: low and not moving very much. He's just like kind

897
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: of hunkered down somewhere recuperating. Those are the three possibilities.

898
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: And spent a lot of days thinking about which one

899
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: of those it might be. But throughout November I just

900
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: stayed out of there the rest of the time, kept

901
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: checking cameras, wasn't seeing him, got out a couple times

902
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: a glass, didn't see him. Hunted a bunch more on

903
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: some other properties I had permission on, had some encounters

904
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: with the other deer I'd be willing to shoot on

905
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: that property, went up north to my family deer camp,

906
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: did all that kind of stuff, and nothing. Three weeks

907
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: go by, no sightings of the wide, no pictures of

908
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: the Wide nine, and my hopes have seriously dwindled. Then

909
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: we get to Thanksgiving week, and just before Thanksgiving, I

910
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: wake up one morning and I get my pictures sent

911
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: to me overnight, so I wake up, look at the camera,

912
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: and then evening prior it's him. He's back. He's in

913
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: he's on one of those cameras that I put like

914
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: in the belly of the Beast, and he's I got

915
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: six pictures of him, so it's two two three shot

916
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: bursts of him going across this little grassy area. And uh,

917
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: just that was the best feeling, like just the idea

918
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: that he's not dead, he's still around, there's a chance

919
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: for redemption. It felt like closure, Like at that point,

920
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: like a huge monkey came off my back. Like the

921
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: worst thing would have been that if I had never

922
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: figured out what happened, like if he just disappeared and

923
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: I never found him again, And like we were talking

924
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: about last week, who knows, he could have got hit

925
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: by a car, or he might have died somewhere and

926
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: buried himself, you know, in a brush and you'll never

927
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: find him. You'll never know, or you know, maybe someone

928
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: else shot him later and you'll never know. And so

929
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: just the not knowing was driving me crazy. So finally

930
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: like just knowing that, Okay, he survived the shot, he's

931
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: alive and doing his thing. Maybe you get another chance

932
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: to him, maybe someone else kills him, maybe he gets

933
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: hits by car. You know, I can't control what happens

934
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: next but at least I know that he's not laying

935
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: dead somewhere because of me, and I wasn't able to

936
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: recover him. So that was like a big sense of

937
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: relief to just have that. The next day, I was

938
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: actually at actually called my camera and was planning on

939
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: hunting that day regardless because we'd gotten past the first

940
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: week of gunn season in Michigan, and last year, that

941
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: whole time period when I took Everett out hunting him

942
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: was that last week of November, right around Thanksgiving week

943
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: was when he had gotten daylight active last year. So

944
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: my plan was like, I'm going to stay out of

945
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: that property all the way till the end of November,

946
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: and then if I don't have pictures of him yet,

947
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him yet, I'm still going to try

948
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: a few hunts at the end of November to hope

949
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: that maybe he shows back up like he did last year.

950
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: So it just happened to be that the day I

951
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: was gonna start hunting was also a day I got

952
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: his picture. So we go out hunt two nights in

953
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: a row, do not see him. Thanksgiving, do the whole

954
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving thing, and we're getting to the good stuff here, Tony,

955
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: So thank you for bearing with me as I recount

956
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: all of this, come back from Thanksgiving, head out for

957
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: an evening hunt, and I'm thinking to myself, man, I'm

958
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: getting this wrong. At the end of my time with

959
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: my family, we were there at my family's house for Thanksgiving,

960
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: and the day we were there, I was going to

961
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: leave and head home late in the afternoon, but I

962
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: keep looking at my phone. I'm looking at the weather

963
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: for I'm looking at the barometric pressure, and I'm looking

964
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: at all this kind of stuff and like, man, it's

965
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: like super high barmetric pressure, and man, the temperature's cold

966
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: and than I thought it was gonna be in Oh gosh,

967
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: this is the only north wind we have and it's

968
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: the only time I can hunt one of these spots.

969
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: And I convinced myself, like over the course of forty

970
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: five minutes that all of a sudden, like I have

971
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: to go hunting tonight. So like in a thirty minute whirlwind,

972
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, we gotta go. Everyone pack, we gotta go,

973
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: we gotta go. Yeah. So I have like a chaos

974
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: fire drill. At the end of our Thanksgiving visit, I

975
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: go back and sell film hunt actually, and then the

976
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: next time Charlie my camera I comes down. We hunt

977
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: up in this front area where he'd been visible the

978
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: night before. And the most important thing here is, now

979
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: that we're in late November, I have gone back to

980
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: my original plan for him, so I'm not punching into

981
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: the belly of the beast anymore. I'm just hunting edges

982
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: of the food on the edge of his core again,

983
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: hoping that he's going to move back towards that late

984
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: season type behavior. He's maybe still checking some but he's

985
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: mostly gonna be focusing on food, especially if he's wounded

986
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: how he was wounded. But I'm guessing, like, hey, he's

987
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: gonna be trying to pack on some energy here. The

988
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: temperatures are falling. They had just picked the cornfield, so

989
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: the food was gonna be the game again for late

990
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: November into December. So I'm hunting on the edge. This

991
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: is the west edge of his core, on the edge

992
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: of the corn and we end up seeing a deer

993
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: out in this grassy swale again, the same area that

994
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: I saw him once in October and the night before

995
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: the opener, and I think one other time maybe, and

996
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: I see a deer and then I see a frame

997
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, holy crap, I think that's him. And

998
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: he disappears, but I'm pretty certain I saw him in

999
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: this grassy swale. I keep on like trying to glass

1000
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: over there the rest of the night. This is a

1001
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: couple hundred yards away, in the opposite direction from his core,

1002
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: So this is like way up by the road and

1003
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: can't see anything else. It gets dark. I start packing

1004
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: up and then I'm like looking down the creek and

1005
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: I can see a dough step out into the grass again,

1006
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: and I see a big body deer behind her, and

1007
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, ooh, that looks like a big buck. I'm

1008
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: thinking that's him with a dough maybe. Then it's just

1009
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: too dark. I can't see. They kind of turn back

1010
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: go back in this timber. So the next morning we

1011
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: can't hunt, but I can get out in glass. So

1012
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: it's snowing. Another thing I should point out is it

1013
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: started snowing that night and it snowed all through the

1014
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: rest of the night. So this is our first snow

1015
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: of the year, and that next am it is you know,

1016
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: fresh blanket of snow everywhere. So I got out to

1017
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: glass from this hill and I can see like an

1018
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: hour half hour before daylight. I can see in my

1019
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: bio was like clearly pretty Darne, clearly across the field.

1020
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: And so I'm watching and I see a deer down

1021
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: at the edge of the grass and the cornfield all

1022
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: by itself. And then I see it limp, and I thought, oh,

1023
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: so I get my spotting scope set up, and with

1024
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: the spotting scope on my phone, I can actually see better.

1025
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've messed with a new these

1026
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 2: new iPhones, but the low light filming on the new,

1027
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: like I've got an iPhone fourteen Max or whatever it is,

1028
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: it's crazy, like I can film like it's like broad

1029
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: daylight almost. So I was able to film and see

1030
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: like him. I could see him on my phone better

1031
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: than I could even see him binoculars. And it's a

1032
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 2: half hour before daylight or something. And so I see

1033
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: him on the edge of this cornfield, in this grassy swale,

1034
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: and I watch him. He's got a bad limp, like bad,

1035
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: like he's way worse than I thought it would be,

1036
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: Like he looks rough and he limps his way into

1037
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 2: the grass. And then I watch him for a half

1038
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: hour as he kind of mills around and then I

1039
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: eventually see him bed about five minutes after daylight, see

1040
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: him bed down in this grassy swale. I then like

1041
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: did everything I could to try to find landmarks like

1042
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: pinpoint like where he was, Like I try to mark

1043
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: him on onyx like I thought it was. And then

1044
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: I just spend a lot time like trying to find

1045
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: like there's no good landmarks when it's just a cornfield

1046
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: and a grassy field. You know, it's not like there's

1047
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: a tree or something I can do. And then you know,

1048
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: I've got one perspective. I know that my perspective is

1049
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: gonna be different when I get to the other side

1050
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: of him. So I'm trying to find things in the grass,

1051
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: like a black looking bushy thing and like a snowy

1052
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: spot in the cornfield or whatever. I tried to like

1053
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: zero in exactly. I just spent a bunch of time

1054
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: staring at the spot where he was and trying to

1055
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: remember everything I could about everything around him so that

1056
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: I could find him again, because I knew that my

1057
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: plan would be, like I need to try to kill

1058
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: him in that bed, like this is my best chance,

1059
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: Like I know where he is, this is maybe my

1060
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: last best chance. You know you'll never know. I mean,

1061
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: who knows where he is gonna be tomorrow or what's

1062
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: gonna happen next, Like this is it? This is the chance?

1063
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 4: So why try to kill him in his bed instead

1064
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 4: of just posting up and waiting for him to stand up?

1065
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's what I mean. I mean, like

1066
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: like standing up, I just made him like I know

1067
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: where he is right now, and so I need to

1068
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: find some way to kill him like there or very

1069
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: close to that, right, yep, right. So I originally thought, Okay,

1070
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of things going for me. A

1071
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: big thing is that it's windy, so it's like fifteen

1072
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 2: to seventeen and mile an hour sustained winds, so I'm

1073
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: gonna be able to sneak around out there and he

1074
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to hear me. And second things going

1075
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: for me is that it is gun seasons, so I've

1076
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: got three fifty so I can I don't need to

1077
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: be thirty yards for him to get a shot. I

1078
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: can be sixty yards or eighty yards or whatever. So

1079
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: I originally thought I could just do a big wide

1080
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: half circle, get downwind of him, and then just work

1081
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: my way up the edge of the corn and the

1082
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: grass and get as close as I can possibly get

1083
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: and then just wait for him to stand up. But

1084
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: then I got to thinking, man, this grass is so tall,

1085
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: like you know, I could just see his head and

1086
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: shoulders when he went in there in some spots, and

1087
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: then some spots you can just see antlers, and then

1088
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: some spots you can see more. But I mean, the

1089
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: grass is anywhere from waist to shoulder high, probably am me.

1090
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: So I got to thinking, I'm gonna stand there, and

1091
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: even if he stands up, I won't be able to

1092
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: get a clear shot. So my next idea was that

1093
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: the cornfield rises up into a hill to the north

1094
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: of where he was beded, a decently substantial hill, maybe

1095
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: like fifty feet of elevation or something like that. I

1096
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe not that much, but something like that.

1097
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: So I got to thinking, if I could somehow get

1098
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: to the backside of that hill without him seeing me,

1099
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: I could belly crawl over the crest and lay in

1100
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: the cut corn and get over top of him and

1101
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: then have a downward angle down into the grass and

1102
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: hopefully that would give me, you know, sight lines and

1103
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: a shooting lane into the grass to the vitals if

1104
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: he stands up. So eventually I decided, like that's the

1105
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: best option I've got here. So I get to the

1106
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: north propery line. I get my camera guy out there

1107
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: as soon as he can. It's like noon by the

1108
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: time he can get there. And we go to the

1109
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: north propery line. And I thought that the way the

1110
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: hill was that I would be able to walk or

1111
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, crouch and kind of cover a lot of

1112
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: distance to get to where this hill was. But turns out,

1113
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: as soon as I started walking across the field, I

1114
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: very quickly saw it's way more exposed to the spot

1115
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: he was in than I realized, like right by the road.

1116
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 2: So again like he's bedded I don't know, one hundred

1117
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: and fifty yards from the road maybe something like that,

1118
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: and within sight of a of a pretty busy road.

1119
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: So I realized, like, okay, I'm not going to be

1120
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 2: able to just walk to this hill and then crawl

1121
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: to the hill. I have to crawl the entire way

1122
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: right off of a road. So so me and my

1123
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: camera guy start crawling and then eventually belly crawling like

1124
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 2: snake slithering right and broadside of of a road. Cars

1125
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: driving by. I'm thinking, like, man, these people just think

1126
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. There's a guy crawling across a cut

1127
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: cornfield at noon?

1128
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: Was it Charlie with you?

1129
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Charlie.

1130
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good choice.

1131
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie did. Charlie did great.

1132
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: For that mission. He's a good guy to have with you.

1133
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Yes. So so it was like a nightmare just doing that.

1134
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 2: It took us a very long time just to go

1135
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: to imagine, like the path I had to take is

1136
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: I had to go like two hundred or so yards

1137
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: from west to east along the corn edge and then

1138
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: once that that would get me just past where he was,

1139
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: and then I had to go south to get up

1140
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: the hill and then just over the crest to be

1141
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: able to see down to him. So imagine like an L,

1142
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: you know, with the flat the long part on the top,

1143
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: and then the L the short part of the L

1144
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: sticking straight down. That's the path I had to take.

1145
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 2: So the two of us belly crawl two hundred yards

1146
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: across the snowy cut cornfield to get down the two

1147
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: hundred yards, and then we have to do the part

1148
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: where we go down. And this was the really hard

1149
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: part because this was perpendicular to the corn rows. So

1150
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: now if if you can imagine having to belly crawl

1151
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 2: over twelve inch tall cornstalks that are frozen hard because

1152
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: it's like twenty degrees, so it's like little metal rebar

1153
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: rods every twelve inches. And that was a nightmare because

1154
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: We're trying to do it. And then I'm just feeling

1155
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: like we're more and more exposed as we're getting closer

1156
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: and closer, and I'm worried about getting seen. So then

1157
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, Charlie, I'm sorry, but we got to take

1158
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: our packs off. Like our packs are sticking up too high.

1159
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: We got to take our packs off. So we now

1160
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: we take our packs off, and now we push our

1161
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: packs over a row, and then we crawl over the row.

1162
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: And then we push our packs over the row, and

1163
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: then we crawl over the row. And I'm holding my

1164
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: rifle in one hand. I'm holding a shooting stick in

1165
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: the other hand because it keeps falling on my backpack,

1166
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: and so I'm doing that and then moving the pack

1167
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: and then crawling, and then we get a little further

1168
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: and then I'm still like worried about getting seen. So

1169
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: then I bust out my secret weapon, which I had

1170
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: brought a old white bed sheet to cover us up

1171
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: when we were laying down there, because I thought like,

1172
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: we need some way to hide up there on this hilltop,

1173
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: so I brought an old sheet. But now I'm worried

1174
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: about being seen as we're crawling in there, so I

1175
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 2: take the bed sheet out of my backpack and tie

1176
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 2: it around my neck like like you know some people

1177
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: tie like their sweater around their shoulders, you know. So

1178
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: I did that with an old bed sheet so that

1179
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: I could maybe stay a little more hidden. So now

1180
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm berey crawling with a white sheet over me, trying

1181
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: to get down the hill. And then we're getting closer

1182
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: and I'm still like, I'm like, God, we're gonna get

1183
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: picked off of here. We're still not hidden enough. So

1184
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: now I go to Charlie and like, buddy, you're gonna

1185
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: hate me. But we can't crawl anywhere. We need to

1186
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: just slide and roll. So what we would do is

1187
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: I would break I would roll. I literally I was

1188
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: laying down. I would push my pack so it'd break

1189
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: down the cornstalks, and then I would just roll. I'd

1190
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: roll over it, slide into that, push the bedding or

1191
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: push the backpack roll. So we did this for like

1192
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, Like we just took two

1193
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: hours to get across this field covered in a bed sheet,

1194
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: and it was just ridiculous. Like me and Charlie just

1195
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: kept looking at the show like this is absurd, Like

1196
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: nobody does anything this dumb to try to kill a deer.

1197
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: And if anyone was like sitting on the side of

1198
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: the road, they could have watched a lot of this

1199
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: and just watched a couple of knuckleheads, like I don't know,

1200
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: snuggle up in a sheet rolling around. But we eventually,

1201
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: we eventually get over the hill Tony, and I'm like,

1202
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: all right, we're actually here. Oh my gosh, we finally

1203
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: made it. I'm sweating and covered in snow from head

1204
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: to toe, and Charlie wants to quit like never has before.

1205
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: He's never gonna work for me to again and get

1206
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: into position. I put the backpack in front of me

1207
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: and just try to like get everything cleared around and

1208
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: get my gun in positioned and just try to get situated.

1209
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: And then I start losing like control of my body,

1210
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: Like I just had to keep peeing all the time,

1211
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: so I had to peel like two different times because

1212
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: I think I'm nervous now or something, so I can't

1213
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: stand up to peace, so I just have to like

1214
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: roll over to my side and pee from a laying

1215
00:58:51,680 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: down position. So all this is happening, Okay, finally we

1216
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: we're situated. We're good. We're glassing down in there. I'm

1217
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: trying to like make sure that this is the right spot.

1218
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we're looking at the right zone, but

1219
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's always different from this position. But we

1220
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: sit there for an hour and fifteen minutes watching glassing,

1221
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: watching glassing, and I was having like lower back pain

1222
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: because I'm on my belly up on my elbows though

1223
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, so I can see. And so

1224
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: I remember one point I had to kind of roll

1225
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: over on my side to just relieve my back for

1226
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: a second. And just as I do that, Charlie's like, oh, oh,

1227
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: he's up and right then, so I'm on my side

1228
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: and he's up, and I like, can I turn? I

1229
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: turned my head just a little bit, and he's like

1230
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: looking right at us. I'm like, oh no, like all

1231
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: of this, and somehow he stands up right as I

1232
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: have to like roll a little bit, and he's staring

1233
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: at us. So we're frozen, frozen, frozen, and I'm not

1234
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: like at first I wanted to start trying moving things

1235
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: in a position, but no, it's just just freaking wait. Mark,

1236
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: just be patient, and so I just freeze. And then

1237
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: you see like he's he's normal, Like he wasn't actually

1238
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: on us, he was just happened to be looking in

1239
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: that direction that he kind of turns his head and

1240
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: kind of looks down, like starts licking himself. And so

1241
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: every time he kind of did a little movement, I've

1242
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: shifted my gun up. I got up on my elbows.

1243
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: I've got up high enough so I could see over

1244
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: the corn stubble. And then he's in position, guns up

1245
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: scopes on him, but he's facing right at us, And

1246
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: I thought about the fact that we're gonna have tough

1247
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 2: sight lines into there, and I thought to myself, Man,

1248
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: do you need to like, do you need to think

1249
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: about next shot? Like I don't know if I'm gonna

1250
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: be able to see to the vitals. Is a next

1251
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: shot something that I want to do. I remember thinking

1252
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: about that that morning, and I actually I just was

1253
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: thinking about all this that morning before Charlie got there.

1254
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: I remember pulling up the anatomy of a deer and

1255
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: just like looking again, like let me see, Like, I

1256
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: know people take next shots. I've never taken a next

1257
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: shot before and it's never been something I would do,

1258
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: but I'm like, people do it all the time, and

1259
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: they drop deer. So I look at the anatomy again,

1260
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, that's crazy, Like I'm not gonna take

1261
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: that shot. There's not a lot there that's actually gonna

1262
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: work for you. So I had had that thought leading

1263
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: into it, but but thankfully I didn't do it, because

1264
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: he stood up and gave me a next shot, and no,

1265
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: not taking that shot to our early earlier conversation like

1266
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: this has got to be just right. So I'm just

1267
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: on him and waiting and waiting. He just stands like

1268
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: that forever, and then I'm just waiting and waiting and

1269
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: waiting and thinking. I just remember telling myself like just

1270
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: take your time, like this is it, this is this

1271
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: is your opportunity. Everything has worked out to a tea

1272
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: like this is exactly how you drew it up. I

1273
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: mean I didn't necessarily draw up the whole rolling down

1274
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: a hill in a bed sheet thing, but everything else

1275
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: had lined up just like I thought, Like my hope

1276
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: had been like get out there early, get out there

1277
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: as soon as you possibly can, because my big question mark,

1278
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: like the big warrior, was like will he stand up

1279
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: before dark? Like I know where he is if I

1280
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: can get in there without him seeing me. The only

1281
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: question mark is will he stand up in daylight? And

1282
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: will there be a shot through the grass or not?

1283
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: So I I you know, what I was telling Charlie

1284
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: Headstone was like, we got to get there early, like

1285
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: midday if we can, because a lot of times the

1286
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: deer will stand up a time or two during the

1287
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: middle of day and just reposition, so we might get

1288
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: a chance midday or early where he just stands up,

1289
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: turns around, and then beds back down and if we're

1290
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: not there, there goes your chance. So we got to

1291
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: be there, so thank goodness we were out there early

1292
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: because it took us two hours of crawling just to

1293
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: get in a position. So it's still like late by

1294
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: the time we got there, but or later, but so

1295
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: we he's up. He got up at four ish, I

1296
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: think is when he stood up, so almost two hours

1297
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: were dark. So he stood up to do like his

1298
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: little reposition and stands up. He's facing us forward and

1299
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: then finally starts turning and turns and gives me a

1300
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: broadside and it takes a couple of steps, and there's

1301
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: a hole in the grass and I can see to

1302
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: the top of his shoulder and just off to the

1303
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: side and uh, put it there behind the shoulder, pull

1304
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: a trigger. He bounded off and stopped. He took took

1305
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: two leaps and stopped. And then I immediately am trying

1306
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: to reload. And this is a single shot rifle, so

1307
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get a break action, so I'm trying

1308
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: to get the spence shell out. My fingers are so

1309
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: numb i can't pull it out. So I'm sitting there

1310
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: like trying to pull out the shell, trying to pull

1311
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: the shell, and I can kind of see out the

1312
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: corner of my eye, like I saw he bounced, bounced

1313
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: and stopped, and I'm like shall shell shell, trying to

1314
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: get reloaded. And then I look back and I can't

1315
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: see him anymore, and then trys like he dropped right

1316
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: there and that was it. He was down and ended

1317
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: up being like an eighty yard shot or something, maybe

1318
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: some seventy yards eighty yards something like that and just

1319
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: an incredible sense of relief to close the close the

1320
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: circle on that whole thing, you know, getting a second

1321
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: shot at him and getting to finish it. And man,

1322
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's the wildest hunt I think I've

1323
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: ever had for a specific deer like this, Like all

1324
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: the encounters all, I mean, I had a lot over

1325
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 2: the years, but this one, you know, took it to

1326
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: a different level.

1327
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 4: I mean when you saw him beddown like that and

1328
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 4: you knew you would get a chance, Like, how happy

1329
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 4: were you that it was gun season?

1330
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: Very happy was gun season?

1331
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 4: Very even having to you know, slither your way across

1332
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: that cornfield the way you guys did. Just the just

1333
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 4: the ability to you know, or the option to stay

1334
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 4: back at football field away or eighty yards away or

1335
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 4: whatever is like just a game changer in that situation.

1336
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big time. And uh yeah, very thankful for that.

1337
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: And I know some people are you know, some people

1338
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: are purest and just want to use the archery tackle.

1339
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: And I love bow hoating and I prefer it most

1340
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: of the time. And like we were talking about before

1341
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: we start recording, like when I do traveling trips and

1342
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: stuff like, I like to use the bow because the

1343
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 2: gun almost feels too easy in those situations sometimes. But

1344
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: like here, when I've hunted for a deer for years

1345
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: or for months on end, and they had all this stuff,

1346
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: Like by the time gun season comes around, I feel like, Hey,

1347
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: I put in my sweat and and I paid my dues.

1348
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: Now I'll take an eighty R shot and be very

1349
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: very thankful for it. So I don't feel bad at

1350
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: all for taking it with a gun.

1351
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 4: I know, I know you've been on this kick the

1352
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 4: last couple of years or maybe the last two whatever

1353
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 4: to just enjoy yourself more, isn't it? Isn't that situation

1354
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 4: because you would never do something like that with a bowl,

1355
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: Like you wouldn't even be if you saw em betted there.

1356
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 4: You would have a completely different plan and strategy to

1357
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 4: be just totally different. But isn't it when you do

1358
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 4: something like that? Wasn't that so fun? Like wasn't it

1359
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 4: so fun to crawl out there knowing like, if you

1360
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 4: do it right, you're gonna get a good shot.

1361
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like at least there was a very

1362
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: good chance. And yeah, I mean the whole time like

1363
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: it was it was like that. It was type two fun,

1364
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: like the whole time we're crawling out there. It's like miserable,

1365
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: but like fun miserable. Me and Charlie Wuld look at

1366
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: each like this is nuts, Like we're such idiots and

1367
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: we're like sweating and rolling around the corn and like

1368
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: this is so stupid, but also like this is awesome,

1369
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: Like if this works out, like this is one of

1370
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: the wilder things I've ever done for a deer. And

1371
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: to have that all come together, like man, really like

1372
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: a fitting ending to a wild set of experiences. And

1373
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, like that day October for thirtieth when I

1374
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: have the you know, the debacle in the morning and

1375
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: then get another shot him later in the day, like

1376
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: that's a first. I've never had two opportunities at a

1377
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: deer in the same day like that. And then you know,

1378
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: then the horrible situation hitting him bad, and then this

1379
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: whole thing coming back together after like three weeks of

1380
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: thinking it's all done. Just huge set of ups and

1381
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: downs and a wild roller coaster and you know, so

1382
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: cool to have had my son involved in it. You know,

1383
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: last year he so he had like a personal attachment

1384
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: to the deer too, So he was always really excited

1385
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: because he kind of felt like he, you know, had

1386
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 2: helped hunt for the deer too, So yeah, it was

1387
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 2: it was something. And and so let me tell you

1388
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: this back to kind of our one of our main

1389
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: themes of this whole conversation. I go and recover that deer,

1390
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: and my arrow shot if it had been like a

1391
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: half an inch different, it would have smoked him, Like

1392
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: I'm half an inch away from the edge of that

1393
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: bone and it would have been right through double lung.

1394
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: Half an inch difference made this last month what it was.

1395
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: So it just goes back to like, this is a

1396
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: game of inches. This is a game of the tiniest

1397
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: little things, and anything you can do to account for

1398
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: those little little margins, you gotta do it. So yeah,

1399
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: it's crazy, it's crazy.

1400
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 4: So that's a pretty that's a pretty sweet ending though,

1401
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 4: to actually get to see how close you were the

1402
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 4: first time, and just to I mean, those kind of

1403
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 4: seasons or that that kind of long run with that

1404
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 4: deer changes how you look at all deer going forward. Yeah,

1405
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 4: like not having the answer to when you hit him

1406
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 4: and he's gone and whether you're going to see him

1407
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 4: again or what happened and then all of a sudden

1408
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 4: he shows back up eventually and you know, puts himself

1409
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 4: in another position where you got a chance like there's

1410
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 4: you know that doesn't happen that, Like you don't get

1411
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 4: to live that very often.

1412
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: No, this felt like a like a once in a

1413
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: lifetime kind of experience. Yeah, it definitely feels like this

1414
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: was this was unique. And yeah, I think again like

1415
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: there's there's I don't just just so much respect and

1416
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: admiration and and like just like ah, I kind of

1417
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: feel for these critters too, like I'm always surprised, I

1418
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 2: always learned something new. They're always tougher or savvier or

1419
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: or something like. This is like a very very difficult

1420
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,480
Speaker 2: thing to try to pull off that we do, and

1421
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: and the deer always they always have a few hands

1422
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: up on us, you know, like we are operating from

1423
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: a sit and that shot. Interestingly, when we caped it out,

1424
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: my first shot did break his shoulder blade, so it

1425
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: shattered some of that bone so it actually did punch

1426
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: through a little bit and just didn't get through all

1427
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: the way. But massive infection like bad, like I mean

1428
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: like like cups of stuff coming out. So so yeah, bad,

1429
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: bad situation. So it goes back to again like what

1430
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 2: I can learn from this is continuing to work harder

1431
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: at you know, continue to get better with the archery,

1432
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 2: but also be even more conservative and careful with my shots.

1433
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: As we talked about, not only am I can move

1434
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 2: to a thirty pin and only, but I'm also changing

1435
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: my bow set up to a quieter bow. I'm also

1436
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: changing my site set up. I'm gonna go to a

1437
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 2: single pin set, and I think that's going to simplify

1438
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: my site picture and in what I'm doing, because if I, like,

1439
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 2: anytime I've made mistakes when I've rushed has been like

1440
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: I will that those pins hit the vitals, and I'm

1441
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: not always like in the past, I've had times when

1442
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: like the pins hit the vitals and then I'm going

1443
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: through and pulling if i only have one pin, Like

1444
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find ways to dumb it down, knowing

1445
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 2: that I am, like I'm an imperfect human and trying

1446
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 2: to find ways to account for that.

1447
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think you've had somebody in your life who's

1448
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 3: been preaching that message for a long time.

1449
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: If it's who I think it is, I do my

1450
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: very best not to take advice from him.

1451
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 4: But uh, you might've been a guy who fourteen years

1452
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 4: ago made that switch for the very same reason.

1453
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: Buddy.

1454
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess I'm just following. I mean, that's

1455
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 2: about right. How old are you? You're like ten years

1456
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 2: older than me, fourteen years older than me, something like that.

1457
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just along the same learning path.

1458
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 4: Just I'm not that much more older than you. I'm

1459
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: just a lot more experienced.

1460
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 2: Well it's better late than never, so dude.

1461
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 4: Honestly, that that switch I've written about that's a ton,

1462
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 4: and I've talked about it a ton, But that switch

1463
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 4: from even a three pin site to a one pin site,

1464
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 4: if you give it the requisite amount of practice and

1465
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 4: you get used to it, almost nobody goes back. The

1466
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 4: people who say I tried it and didn't work didn't

1467
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 4: give it enough time. Mostly like it's it is a

1468
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 4: big difference maker for an awful lot of people, especially

1469
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 4: if you don't get a ton of encounters to shoot deer,

1470
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 4: like you don't have a lot of experience. When you

1471
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,480
Speaker 4: dumb that part down, you are giving yourself a real advantage.

1472
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 4: And it's it's hard to realize until you put it

1473
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 4: to like put it to use for a few years,

1474
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 4: but for a lot of people.

1475
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 3: It's a huge difference maker.

1476
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just I there's nothing worse

1477
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: than what happened, right. I do not want a wound

1478
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: to do. I don't want to have a situation like

1479
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: this where I have to shoot a deer again a

1480
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 2: month later. I feel awful about that. I hope I've

1481
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: made that clear. So I'm trying to you know, over

1482
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 2: the years, I've talked about my ups and downs and

1483
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: all these ways I've tried to learn and try to

1484
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: get better. And I think this is a continued, you know,

1485
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: evolution of that. And and so I think, yeah, just

1486
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: that's the thing about hunting is it is a constant process,

1487
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: is a constant evolution. It's constant, like none of us,

1488
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: not even the very best keyboard warrior out there who

1489
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: likes to comment on everything about how everybody else is done, Like,

1490
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 2: not even that guy gets it right all the time.

1491
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: So I think the trick to all this, Tony, and

1492
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: I think your good example of this too is like

1493
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: just never stop learning, Like, never stop that process. Like

1494
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: we don't ever have it all figured out, So just

1495
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: keep on growing, keep on fine tuning. I think it's

1496
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: long even on like a year where everything goes right,

1497
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: You should not look at that as everything went right.

1498
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 2: I think we should be looking, Okay, what could have

1499
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: been better? What could I do a little better? What

1500
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 2: did I kind of get away with this year? What

1501
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: mistake did I actually make that I got away with?

1502
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 2: But deep down in my heart, I know, like that

1503
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: wasn't quite right. There's always something we can do better,

1504
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: and this deer was a great illustration of that for me,

1505
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: and I am very thankful for that.

1506
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 4: Well any you know on that point too. I think

1507
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 4: the natural inclination for people who go out and make mistakes,

1508
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 4: which is everybody, is to actually sort of be like,

1509
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 4: play it safer, keep sitting in that box, blind, keep

1510
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 4: doing like the easy kind of formulaic hunts that you've

1511
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 4: done a lot. And I think I think the remedy

1512
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 4: to getting better is to go do stuff outside of

1513
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 4: your comfort zone a little bit and try stuff like that,

1514
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: like when you see that buck betted there like that,

1515
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 4: and granted it's gun season, but there there's a move

1516
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 4: that's going to kill that deer, and a lot of

1517
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 4: people are going to not try it. And I think

1518
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 4: that that's you know, I think we've been conditioned so

1519
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 4: much from people who have really really good hunting, who

1520
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 4: can play it safe and they can stay out and

1521
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 4: they don't have to go in, and they have to

1522
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,839
Speaker 4: worry about anybody bumping their deer or change in anything.

1523
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 4: And it's like very sort of a contrived situation, and

1524
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 4: we get that message just beat into us over and over.

1525
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 4: It's like, play it safe, play it smart, play it safe.

1526
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 4: I think you level up as a hunter by putting

1527
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 4: yourself in a little bit uncomfortable situations and trying things

1528
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 4: just sort of out of out of your routine. I

1529
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 4: think that's where you get you really get better.

1530
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: Well, if you were to look at, like, in this

1531
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: this general area where this all happened, I've hunted this

1532
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: general area now for like twelve or thirteen years I've

1533
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: been in this zone. And if you were to look

1534
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: at the first six years versus the last six years,

1535
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: dramatically different level of success in the last six to

1536
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: seven years out there, And a large part of that

1537
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 2: I would attribute to the fact that over the course

1538
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: of that first six years and the years after that,

1539
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: I've traveled a lot more. I've hunted so many more locations,

1540
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 2: so many more states, so many different styles, you know,

1541
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: that year when I filmed deer country and I had to,

1542
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, learn from all these different guys who have

1543
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: very very specific skill sets and they hunt all these

1544
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: different ways. Like after that year, coming back and hunting

1545
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: my own places I used to hunt forever, all of

1546
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,520
Speaker 2: a sudden, I've got all these new tools in my toolbox,

1547
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 2: all these new ideas, all these different things that all

1548
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: of a sudden I feel more comfortable trying. I would

1549
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: have never tried the you know, hunting without a tree

1550
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: on the ground that led to me killing that buck

1551
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: in Nebraska this year, or this situation where I killed

1552
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: this one sneaking in and belly crawling in on one,

1553
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: or last year when I saw that other buck in

1554
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: Michigan and had to climb on out of my tree

1555
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: stand after I saw him bedded and sneak up on

1556
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: him to get a shot at him. Or I mean,

1557
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: I could point back to so many different things where

1558
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 2: the only reason why I thought of these ideas or

1559
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: had the confidence to try them was because I'd gone

1560
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: to new places and been forced to do new things,

1561
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 2: forced to learn new ideas, forced to get outside of

1562
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 2: that comfort zone. And then all of that comes back

1563
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 2: and helps me even in the local spots too. So

1564
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: it's it's a very it's it's a process that comes

1565
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: back to what I think you've preached a lot, which is,

1566
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: you know, getting out of your getting outside of your

1567
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: comfort zone. And there's many different ways you can do that.

1568
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: The better, that's all.

1569
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 3: It's all going to help for sure. So I very

1570
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 3: recently did that and it was a blast.

1571
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to hear about that. Do we

1572
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 2: look before I hear about that. I want to make sure.

1573
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I think through if

1574
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: there's any other major point that's worth pulling out of

1575
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 2: this story really quick. And I think, you know, big

1576
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 2: picture things that I take away. We talked through the

1577
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 2: whole shooting. We talked through you know, getting comfortable with

1578
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: discomfort and try new things and the aggressive styles. I think,

1579
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: you know, the thing with this deer didn't necessarily help

1580
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 2: me kill him in the end, but it did help

1581
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:08,440
Speaker 2: me have these opportunities over the years is just you know, scouting.

1582
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 2: Take that back, It did help me kill this deer

1583
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 2: because I have put a huge emphasis on scouting and

1584
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 2: glassing and keeping tabs of information, like you know, if

1585
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: you have the luxury and I know, it's a luxury

1586
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: that not everybody has. Not everybody lives close enough to

1587
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: their properties that they can get out and scout, or

1588
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 2: not everybody has a property where they can see deer

1589
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: year after year. So I recognize that I'm very fortunate

1590
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: to have permission on some pieces like that where I can.

1591
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: But the fact that I have put a premium on

1592
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 2: getting out to glass as many times as they can,

1593
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 2: the fact that I have kept track of every siding

1594
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: I have of these deer, all those little things have

1595
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: helped me be in the right zones. And finally, in

1596
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 2: this case, it helped me spot the deer that morning.

1597
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: I couldn't hunt, but I was gonna be, you know, watching,

1598
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: and I saw him and that huge difference, and so

1599
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: scout sut scout, scout learn, learn, learn. I mean that

1600
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 2: goes back to our very first episode we did this season, Tony,

1601
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 2: after you killed that buck in Minnesota and I killed

1602
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 2: mine in Wisconsin. Both of those we had stories about

1603
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 2: how taking the extra time to scout, prioritizing scouting more

1604
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: versus hunting more, you know, in a certain way, that's

1605
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 2: what actually helped me kill this year too, because I

1606
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: had a couple of nights a couple of different times

1607
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: of glassing. I saw him in this grassy swale. Gave

1608
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: me the confidence to watch it again and then sure enough,

1609
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: there he is. So that informed nature of things is critical.

1610
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 2: So I think that's I think that's probably it on

1611
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 2: my story. Glad to be able to tie a bow

1612
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: on the wide nine story and excited to share that

1613
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 2: in technicolor in a film. We filmed this whole thing too,

1614
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 2: so it should be a wild ride to put on

1615
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: the On the YouTube.

1616
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 3: You sound like a nineteen thirties drifter.

1617
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 2: There, technic color. I've been watching I've been watching the

1618
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 2: Marvel Missus Maisel. Have you ever seen that show?

1619
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 3: Yep?

1620
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: So it's got me talking like an old timer. Okay,

1621
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: give me five minutes, give me five minutes on your

1622
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 2: recent hunt, and then I've got to actually run. But

1623
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 2: you had a fun gun hunt too, right, Tony.

1624
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 4: I did, Man, You know I got the chance to go.

1625
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 4: The buck that I killed earlier this year was in

1626
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 4: the CWD zone, so I killed it with my bow,

1627
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 4: so that year doesn't count against my statewide total. So

1628
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 4: I could hunt outside of that zone for a buck

1629
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 4: somewhere else, and I haven't really had the chance to

1630
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 4: do that. Ever since, they've really instituted a lot of

1631
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 4: the CWD rules down there, just because I haven't had

1632
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 4: much time, but this Western Minnesota stuff has gotten under

1633
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 4: my skin. I hunted there last year one week in November.

1634
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 4: I got my ass kicked. I can't handle it, you know,

1635
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 4: I needed to go back and try it. I just

1636
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 4: had the chance for muzzleloader opener to go, and dude,

1637
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 4: I got up at three o'clock. It's a three and

1638
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 4: a half hour drive down there. Almost I was like,

1639
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 4: this is so dumb. I'm going into public land that

1640
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 4: I know. I know there's going to be people in there,

1641
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 4: and I'm kind of like, where can I go to

1642
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 4: have the best chance to see something go bed down

1643
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 4: kind of like you were talking about, and then maybe

1644
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 4: get in there cause it's pretty wide open stuff. You know,

1645
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 4: it's CRP and cattails and not much real cover. Drive

1646
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 4: all the way down there and I call an audible

1647
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 4: like and two hours into my drive, I'm like, I

1648
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 4: got to go to this property that I know a

1649
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 4: lot of deer winter on. And so I went in

1650
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 4: a totally different direction from my plan when I left

1651
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 4: my house. I get there, you know, maybe twenty minutes

1652
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 4: before first light, and there's a truck parked in the

1653
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 4: parking area that I was thinking about parking at. So

1654
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I'll go to where I know I

1655
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 4: probably should go, which is a lot harder to get

1656
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 4: into this property. It's a lot longer walk. But I'm like,

1657
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 4: these guys are probably going to push deer my way.

1658
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 4: So I go park, get in. There see a guy

1659
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 4: in a box blind on this private fence line looking

1660
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 4: into the public. So I'm like, okay, I got guys

1661
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 4: hunting below me. I got that guy there, and I

1662
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 4: go just get into this property a little ways and

1663
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 4: it's just getting light, and I'm like, I better glass

1664
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 4: this grass before I go because I can see a lot.

1665
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,839
Speaker 4: Look down there's a nice buck walking through this public

1666
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 4: creek bottom. Like first year, I see, you know, like

1667
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 4: one twenty type deer, great buck for there. So I'm like, okay,

1668
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 4: there's That's what I'm focused on. And then I start

1669
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 4: picking out deer. It was like a Western hunt because

1670
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 4: I just had some elevation and I'm like, okay, there's

1671
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 4: dont two fonds that looks like another buck, But I didn't.

1672
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 4: I only had my binos. I didn't have a spot

1673
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 4: er with me, so anyway, I have to wait for

1674
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 4: all these deer to go through to get beyond this

1675
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 4: little hillside so I can move up to where I

1676
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 4: really wanted to be to see them go into the

1677
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 4: bedding stuff. And they filter through and I finally get

1678
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 4: a chance to go up there, and I pick them

1679
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 4: all up again. You know, I'm four hundred yards closer

1680
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 4: this time, and they're all milling through this willows and

1681
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 4: dogwood to go to this big cat tail slough. So

1682
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 4: just randomly, I hear a shot and I look over

1683
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 4: and there's a kid and his dad and a couple

1684
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 4: other people in this parking area. They shot a buck

1685
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 4: in the ditch from their truck. You know, he was

1686
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 4: standing outside. So anyway, I'm kind of like watching my

1687
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 4: deer and watching this unfold, like come on, guys, whatever,

1688
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 4: so they you know this is happening. And I watch

1689
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 4: these deer get into this cover where I lose them,

1690
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 4: and I'm like, they're gonna go in there and bed down.

1691
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 4: It's cattails. You're not going to get in on them, right,

1692
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, but I know where they went through.

1693
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 4: I know where they're going to go back, probably tonight.

1694
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 4: So as I'm sitting there, the guy who's in the

1695
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 4: box blind shoots. I'm like Jesus, like everybody's on deer

1696
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 4: but me, And anyway, I get out watch them bed

1697
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 4: down or watch them get into that cover and sneak

1698
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 4: down there to look for a spot to set up

1699
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 4: to catch them coming out, and it's like, you know,

1700
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 4: it's brush and grass, there's like nothing. You know, you're

1701
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 4: not getting into a tree. But I find a spot

1702
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 4: with the wind, and I'm like, if they pass through here,

1703
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 4: they're going to be within one hundred and fifty yards

1704
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 4: of me somewhere and probably close set up that night.

1705
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,799
Speaker 4: Six dos come through at different times, all easy in range,

1706
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 4: no bucks. Like okay, well, I got a plan for

1707
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 4: tomorrow morning because I know the cut cornfield they're probably

1708
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 4: going to and coming back from. So I get up

1709
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 4: so early because I have to walk across this. Like

1710
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 4: I thought about you, I'm like this is like a

1711
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 4: Mark Kenyon approved thing because it's like two hours before

1712
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 4: first light because I have to cross that opening. And

1713
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 4: then I pull a spencer New Hearts because I have

1714
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 4: nowhere to sit, so I'm like hiding behind a fence

1715
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 4: post that has some like public land signs on it,

1716
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 4: and like forty five minutes before first light, the first

1717
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 4: dose starts blowing in the dark and then it's just

1718
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 4: like on and off they're blowing and it gets light.

1719
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, maybe because it was super windy. I'm like,

1720
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 4: maybe something else will come through. Nothing comes through. I

1721
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 4: don't see a deer, so I'm like, okay, I get up.

1722
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to hunt here tonight. I'm

1723
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 4: gonna go somewhere else. So I'm gonna go look at

1724
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 4: this betting area because I've got a little bit of

1725
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 4: fresh snow, like an inch of it, maybe maybe not

1726
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 4: even an inch. And I go get into that betting

1727
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 4: area because I'm like where did these deer go? Like

1728
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 4: why didn't any of them come back in here? And

1729
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 4: I get to the edge of the cattails and I

1730
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 4: see a dough track going in there fresh and I'm like,

1731
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 4: I wonder if I could just follow it kick one up,

1732
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 4: And so I just followed it a little ways and

1733
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 4: this dough gets out of her bed like ten yards

1734
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 4: away from me and just bounds off and I was like, well,

1735
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 4: now I know what I'm gonna do for the next

1736
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 4: couple hours. And I'm telling you, dude, I walked a

1737
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 4: little ways and I cut a buck track and I'm

1738
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 4: just looking at it, like a loan buck track, and

1739
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is a decent deer. And he I

1740
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 4: follow him, and he's through every patch of better cover.

1741
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 4: You can imagine like he took this windy route and

1742
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 4: never went out anywhere he would expose himself. And I

1743
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 4: got to this part of the cattails, where as soon

1744
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 4: as I got in there, I'm like, oh man, there's

1745
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 4: like not really very much wind here, like it was

1746
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 4: like this little micro climate. And this like one hundred

1747
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 4: and twenty hundred and twenty five inch buck gets up

1748
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 4: right next to me. I mean just and you know,

1749
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 4: I got the hammer back, but there's like no shot

1750
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,839
Speaker 4: right like he's just running full board through the cattails.

1751
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is so fun. And so then I

1752
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 3: tried to follow him.

1753
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 4: I lost his tracks, got on another buck track, another

1754
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 4: eight pointer, gets up a smaller deer.

1755
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 3: He runs off.

1756
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 4: I got on seven tracks in there and put up

1757
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 4: seven deer close to me. Wow, And you know three

1758
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 4: of them were bucks. One of the last one I

1759
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 4: didn't get a very good look at, but I was like, okay,

1760
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 4: So then I followed it out because I'm like, how

1761
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 4: did they get here? And they had come in from

1762
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 4: a different direction a field on top that was private

1763
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 4: that I just didn't even kind of factor in because

1764
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 4: of what I had seen in the morning before. But

1765
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, dude, I had so much fun because

1766
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 4: I knew that that snow had only been.

1767
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 3: There like two hours.

1768
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so when you cut that track, You're like, they're

1769
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 4: gonna be here, and I knew, you know, the odds

1770
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 4: of getting a good shot were really low. But I

1771
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 4: was like I learned so much looking at their beds

1772
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 4: and seeing those deer run out of them, and then

1773
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 4: backtracking that and going, Okay, this is how they got

1774
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 4: here this morning. They didn't go anywhere near me, like

1775
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 4: I never even considered it, And then you look, okay,

1776
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 4: they're all positioned this way because of the wind, and

1777
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 4: this is where they're at. How they traveled. It was, dude,

1778
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 4: it was like a the whole time. I was like,

1779
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm learning so much about hunting this

1780
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 4: environment that I'm just not that familiar with.

1781
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 2: Goes right back to what we were talking about ten

1782
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: minutes ago going to these new places like you started

1783
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: doing last year on the spot, and it took you

1784
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 2: a little time to kind of figure it out, explore

1785
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 2: different spots, and now you're learning new things that won't

1786
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 2: just help you there.

1787
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know you got to go. Let me

1788
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 3: wrap this up with one lesson.

1789
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 4: I saw twenty people hunting that property on Saturday, between pheasants.

1790
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 4: There was one group of eleven pheasant hunters, other random

1791
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 4: pheasant hunters, other muscle order hunters. There ended up being

1792
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 4: like six muzzleloader hunters in there. I never saw a

1793
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 4: single hunter pheasant or deer hunter get more than two

1794
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty yards from the road. And this is

1795
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 4: a place that's probably it's big, it's probably I don't know,

1796
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 4: pushing a thousand acres between the different parts of it.

1797
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 4: Everybody who hunted in there stayed close to the parking

1798
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 4: areas in the roads, and those deer were smack dab

1799
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 4: in the middle. And not not to mention the billion

1800
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 4: roosters I kicked up while I was, you know, tracking

1801
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 4: deer in there. I mean, it was just like such

1802
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 4: a lesson on, like getting to see, okay, the people

1803
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 4: stay there, the animals go here.

1804
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 3: That's it.

1805
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 2: There you go. Not rocket science sometimes, no, although I

1806
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: know you would like it to be rocket science and

1807
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: all that space stuff you enjoy.

1808
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 3: I do love rocket science.

1809
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 2: You do love some rocket science. And on that note,

1810
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: I do need to wrap this sucker up, Tony. So

1811
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: thanks man for coming on here and hear my story

1812
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 2: and and uh talking through some ideas and some questions

1813
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 2: and lessons learned from that one. It was. It's a

1814
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: good feeling to close that hunt out and to have

1815
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 2: that memory that never makes so so.

1816
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy, congratulations on that deer dude.

1817
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: Thank you sir. All Right, my friend, let's shut this down.

1818
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: Let's touch base again soon, and thank you to everyone listening.

1819
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 2: Appreciate you being here with us through the month of November.

1820
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: This episode is coming out, I think on the last

1821
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 2: day of November. So next episode we will be truly

1822
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: kicking off late season and it can be a great season,

1823
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: they say. And that being said, don't give up, hope,

1824
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 2: keep on getting out there, have some fun, and until

1825
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 2: next time, stay wired to Hunt.