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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: What Up. Welcome in this He's the Herd. Wherever you

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Speaker 3: may be and however you may be, making us part.

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Speaker 4: Of your day.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I'm Dog Gottley killing in for Colin Cowherd,

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Speaker 3: and for the next couple of hours, I want to

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Speaker 3: talk sports with you. It's a Friday, and I don't

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Speaker 3: know how to say this, so I get excited. It's

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Speaker 3: a football freight. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: starting a quarterback for the Symphony Bengals last night. Right,

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Speaker 3: we had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually

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Speaker 3: playing some of their guys last night. We'll have some

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Speaker 3: of that tonight. So and by the end of the weekend,

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Speaker 3: every team will have had a preseason game and we

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Speaker 3: can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon

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Speaker 3: we don't really know right one's playing against fours and whatever.

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Speaker 3: And while either Crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise

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Speaker 3: and it may not actually matter to how he plays.

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Speaker 3: That's preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's the former

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Speaker 3: gentlem manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. He'll join us up

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Speaker 3: coming in fifteen minutes. This is a weird way of

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Speaker 3: presenting this story, but I do think it's the only

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Speaker 3: way of presenting this story is and I understand it's

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Speaker 3: a huntredictory way of talking about it, but it's the

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Speaker 3: way in which I do feel like we should all

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Speaker 3: talk about it, which is, I don't care about Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 3: Not that I don't care about him as a person

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Speaker 3: just kind of be honest. We're not friends. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: we're enemies, but I don't actually care. He's a great

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Speaker 3: football player, seems to be a bright enough guy, and

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Speaker 3: who am I as a head basketball coach in Division

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Speaker 3: Otleb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Who am I to

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Speaker 3: be critical of him having a podcast, but I don't

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Speaker 3: think the podcast is the best idea for him, mostly

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Speaker 3: because at his age, he still has what I would

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Speaker 3: they're not really developed. Also, just doesn't have like when

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Speaker 3: especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew

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Speaker 3: up nerd studying every other sport and every other thing.

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Speaker 3: So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot.

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Speaker 3: When he's talking about other stuff, you know, I know

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Speaker 3: very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan, right,

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Speaker 3: which may be interesting to you. But there's so many

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Speaker 3: pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be

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Speaker 3: We do this dance, not just with the Cowboys. We

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Speaker 3: do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know

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Speaker 3: he could be a free agent at the end of

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Speaker 3: Parsons for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy

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Speaker 3: At the Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent.

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Speaker 3: ever get caught up in the law and order? And

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Speaker 3: go to Ezekiel Elliott in that year and then you

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Speaker 3: know Zeke who this is. It's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook.

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Speaker 3: And Jerry always gives in Jerry's gonna pay a bunch

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Speaker 3: the agent, David Willgetta, is like, wait, he did a

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Speaker 3: He's not even holding out, nor is he gonna hold

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Speaker 3: I want to be traded. Sure, Now, could the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: They could do that. I just don't think they will.

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Speaker 3: they're clearly not at that point, Otherwise they wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: compelled to circle back to Dallas Cowboys, Micah Parson's star

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Speaker 3: roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time.

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Speaker 3: It's tiresome, made even worse by the fact that we

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Speaker 3: get this fake Oh, he could be he's a free

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Speaker 3: There's no it's not a player option, it's not a

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Speaker 3: you can still negotiate a long term deal during any

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Speaker 3: he's in. He's doing the I got a back injury

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Speaker 3: the end of I don't know next two weeks, Michael

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Speaker 3: Parsons will be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a

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Speaker 3: nothing burger. But I've seen this movie. I know how

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Speaker 3: Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations.

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Speaker 5: Bomb think the world of Micah. Like I've said, I've

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Speaker 5: had a lot us had social time with Michael, which

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Speaker 5: isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of

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Speaker 5: Now, how we ultimately mail him in with our future

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Speaker 5: built for it. We have continual contract negotiations going on.

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Speaker 5: I know you have Mike at front of mine, but

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Speaker 5: we're continually working on contracts when all clubs are, and

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Speaker 5: so I don't necessarily put a big read letter beside

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Speaker 5: any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative

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Speaker 5: when we do so. But it's really business as usually.

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Speaker 3: So if it's business as usual, what are we actually doing?

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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlie Pavilion for Colin. Is the Parsons deal inevitable?

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you guys saw Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 3: just located a pinky last night didn't play particularly well well.

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Speaker 3: Ask Mark Dominic is into time for the Colts to

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Speaker 3: kind of cut bait. That's next in the Hurt.

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Speaker 10: it used to take a minimum of what to it'll

429
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Speaker 10: be three years to turn over your roster. Barry's gonna

430
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Speaker 10: have one hundred and five scholarship players in fall.

431
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Speaker 4: Eighty three of them are new.

432
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Speaker 10: Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, I think seventy or seventy

433
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 10: one of his one to oh five are going to

434
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Speaker 10: be new, Like they were.

435
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: Not there last year.

436
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Speaker 10: So that's your freshman class enrolling, and that's like twenty

437
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 10: five kids and the rest of them are portals. So

438
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Speaker 10: with that as the backdrop, I ask you, Doug Gottlieb,

439
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Speaker 10: how in the world am I supposed to know anything

440
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 10: about anyone? And then you've got Carson Beck. I mean

441
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 10: this time last year, if you and I were talking,

442
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 10: we would have been talking about that kid and whether

443
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 10: he was going to be the number one overall quarterback

444
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Speaker 10: taken in the draft after he probably challenges for the

445
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Speaker 10: Heisman en route to Georgia playing for a national title,

446
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Speaker 10: and none of that happens. And now's at Miami, and

447
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 10: how am I supposed to know what to expect down there?

448
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 10: The highlight game of Week one is Texas and Ohio State,

449
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Speaker 10: both I think out of the top seventy five and

450
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 10: returning production numbers. How am I supposed to know what

451
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Speaker 10: to expect there?

452
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Speaker 4: Here's the beauty.

453
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Speaker 10: I've never been one of these anti press season poll guys.

454
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Speaker 10: I've never been one of these anti prediction guys.

455
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 4: I am just the.

456
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Speaker 10: Kind of guy that wants to do all that, but

457
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Speaker 10: do it in very light pencils, Cause you cannot ignore

458
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Speaker 10: week one in week two just because you took six

459
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Speaker 10: months to build up predictions and you're not coming off

460
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Speaker 10: of them. You've got to be ready to pivot on

461
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 10: a dime on this stuff, cause you're right, dude, half

462
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 10: the coaching staff don't even know what they have, so

463
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Speaker 10: I certainly don't know what they are.

464
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Speaker 3: And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too.

465
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Speaker 3: That's the other part, Like they're new and they don't

466
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Speaker 3: have spring games anymore.

467
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Speaker 10: Yeah, hey, I'll tell you another thing, though. I was

468
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Speaker 10: listening to some of the stuff we had done in

469
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Speaker 10: spring with some of these coaches this morning, and some

470
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Speaker 10: of it was on record, like a lot of it

471
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 10: was off record, And a lot of the off the

472
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Speaker 10: record talk, especially in football right now, is about how

473
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Speaker 10: many coaches, Like, yeah, you're right, there are new there's

474
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Speaker 10: new coaching staff turn all over the place every year.

475
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Speaker 10: But there are a lot of people who point blank

476
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Speaker 10: have their jobs this year that would not have previously

477
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 10: had their jobs because their buyout number is too big

478
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 10: a knock on the payroll now, and the payrolls now

479
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 10: because you have to pay the players and so it's

480
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 10: not monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and

481
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Speaker 10: account for things. And so I mean Billy Napier at Florida,

482
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 10: if we're ten years ago, does Billy even survive last year?

483
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 10: Does he make it through the season? Well, he did

484
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 10: because of the new constraints, and well in the hold

485
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 10: he may have a top ten team this year. I

486
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 10: think it was like I mean, it's like a small

487
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 10: handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their jobs.

488
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 10: And that's been a league perennially where half the league

489
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 10: turns over at the coordinator position, either from firing or

490
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Speaker 10: new hire. So there's a mixture like, yeah, there is

491
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 10: some newness in coaching spots there, but there's also a

492
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Speaker 10: really healthy amount of guys that have been given a

493
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Speaker 10: stay of execution.

494
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Speaker 4: If you will, maybe one more year.

495
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 10: And the truth skill, if you want to talk about

496
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 10: being predictive, is go find the guy that was one

497
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 10: year away all along, and because he's been given that

498
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 10: one more year, is gonna make it pop Because of that.

499
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: Well, the hard part about trying to make a pop

500
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: is you will take some you'll take some risky guys

501
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: and the risk there's risk in and reward in it,

502
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: and again you just kind of holding your breath that

503
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: the phone doesn't ring in the middle of the night.

504
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: Josh pay joined us the Kad Josh Paid College Football Show.

505
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: He joins us here in the hurdhim Doug Gottlieb fillling

506
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: in for Colin. Archie Manning is like, arch is gonna

507
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: be at Texas for you know, two more seasons this year,

508
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: next year. Do you buy it?

509
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 10: Yes, that's been the talk around him since he got there.

510
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 10: I so if I don't buy it, it's just me

511
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 10: calling him a baldfaced liar. And I don't think they are. Now.

512
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 10: He could just explode this year and be projected number

513
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 10: one overall, and of course you got a choice.

514
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: To make at that point.

515
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Speaker 10: I am not applying those kinds of expectations to him.

516
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: Now.

517
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Speaker 10: This is you know me personally, The market is, the

518
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 10: odds boards are I'm not. I am expecting him to

519
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 10: be good to really good, with flashes of elite, and

520
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 10: if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it.

521
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: But I do want to take a step back. I mean,

522
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: it's very obvious nothing around him is convention.

523
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 10: Archie Manny talking about that, chief among them, his thought

524
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 10: process in the way he gets to handle himself because

525
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 10: of what his last name is, chief among him. But

526
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 10: how I was trying to think about this, Maybe you

527
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 10: come up with an answer, because I don't have one.

528
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 10: When is the last time that we had known a

529
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 10: kid for over half a decade?

530
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: Six years we've.

531
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Speaker 10: Known Arch Manning sophomore junior, senior year in high school,

532
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 10: first second now third year.

533
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: At Texas and it's six.

534
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 10: Years in before he's the full time starter. People have

535
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 10: been talking about this dude over half a decade, like

536
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 10: fully formed opinions, and we hadn't even seen him be

537
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 10: listed as the number one quarterback of Texas yet. So

538
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 10: you want to talk about expectations like you asked me

539
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 10: a few minutes ago, Think about how many hard boiled

540
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 10: expectations and thoughts and opinions people have of him without

541
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Speaker 10: ever seeing him play entire six game stretches of a

542
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 10: season before. I don't know that we've ever really seen

543
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 10: that dynamic with anyone. And I guess it would have

544
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 10: to be a famous last name for a kid who

545
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Speaker 10: have even mattered as a sophomore in high school like

546
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 10: he did.

547
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean,

548
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: obviously we don't cover up most kids in high school

549
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: unless they're you know, Tebow a little bit because he

550
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: was part of the reality show back in the day.

551
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: That may have been the one, and but then he

552
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: played right away, although he wasn't a full time starter

553
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: probably what till year three. Right, So there's.

554
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Speaker 4: A that's it.

555
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: Huh, that's it.

556
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Speaker 10: Any anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've

557
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 10: been hyped and then they started it just so happens.

558
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 10: Texas had the situation they had, yeah.

559
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: And and two. I think it was Nick Saber who

560
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: was it who said, if he's so good, why was

561
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Speaker 3: he the backup to a to like a six round pick.

562
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Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow couldn't you know,

563
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: couldn't crack the code to Ohio State? I mean, heck

564
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Speaker 3: you go back and Josh Field. Well, I mean if

565
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: it was a Fields, couldn't crack the code at Georgia

566
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: because it's really hard to replace an incumbent who's a good,

567
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: solid college court regardless of your upside. So I don't

568
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Speaker 3: I don't actually buy that that sort of argument, if

569
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: you will. Speaking of Texas, they play Ohio State first

570
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: game of the year, right, what should we we know

571
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: there's a lot we don't know. What do we know

572
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: about the matchup?

573
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Speaker 10: You know that the caliber of athlete is going to

574
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 10: be high level, like that's where the floor is baked in,

575
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 10: pretty high on both of those teams. But I mean

576
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 10: there's one thing you can do, and that's just hey,

577
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 10: I know they've recruited top five classes, all right, and

578
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 10: then you're viewing that from fifty thousand feet. You could

579
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 10: zoom in maybe twenty thousand feet and you could go

580
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 10: buy a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with

581
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 10: the names, or you could zoom in in the weeds

582
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 10: and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on

583
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 10: its offensive line, an offensive line that they already had

584
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 10: to backfill departing starters to the NFL Draft because.

585
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Speaker 4: Of and that could be an issue.

586
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: Now.

587
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 10: It could be that if they remain unscathed the rest

588
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 10: of the way, they're okay. But I mean Texas is

589
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 10: already in position where they can't afford any more attrition

590
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 10: really along the offensive line. Now I say that, Doug,

591
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 10: and if you were to hit the rewind button on me,

592
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 10: I would have been saying the same thing about notre

593
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 10: Dame this time last year, and they go into College

594
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 10: Station week one against what should have been a ferocious

595
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 10: edge rush, and they win. And then they keep on

596
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 10: suffering attrition and keep on reloading at offensive line, and

597
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 10: they go on to play for a national title. So really,

598
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 10: what it comes down to is not so much the

599
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 10: players you're gonna have. And I don't say that to

600
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Speaker 10: mean players don't matter. Players are everything. I trust that

601
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 10: you recruited and I trust.

602
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: That you developed.

603
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 10: And Texas did not hit the portal in the offensive line,

604
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 10: by the way, and I was there in the spring,

605
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Speaker 10: and I can tell you firsthand, look at them in

606
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 10: the eye. They trust the guys they have in house.

607
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: Did you coach your tail off well enough? Like did

608
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: you get your team ready? Did you prepare?

609
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Speaker 10: And also, then from my viewpoint I'm sitting over here

610
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 10: on the other side of the lens, I've got to

611
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 10: ask myself, is it possible I see a totally different

612
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 10: version of either of those teams week one than I

613
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 10: will week nine. The answer is almost a definitive yes.

614
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 10: So you gotta be careful not to fly off the

615
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 10: handle because everyone's going to go into that scene. You

616
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 10: know as well as I do that Saturday morning. Everyone's

617
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 10: gonna say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game. It

618
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 10: could be thirty three to ten. Someone could be minus

619
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Speaker 10: four turnovers. There's no guarantee that that's going to be

620
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 10: a great game. I'll probably go, so I trust that

621
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 10: it will be. But you just gotta be careful.

622
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Speaker 5: Man.

623
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Speaker 10: That kneed jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous

624
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 10: poison to drink in Week one.

625
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Speaker 3: Uh, there's a bunch of really interesting college football programs.

626
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: Last year, I said thought Oklahoma was the most interesting,

627
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: and they, you know, you go and get a kid

628
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: who's supposed to be the next, you know, god includes

629
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: Heisman Trophy winner, and he started all the first what

630
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: three games, and then they pull him. Now he's he's

631
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Speaker 3: somewhere else in the SEC. What happens with Oklahoma this year?

632
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Speaker 10: I'm sky high on him. I mean that's the one

633
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 10: where I'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bat,

634
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 10: I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be

635
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 10: a top ten caliber team. Now I say that statement

636
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 10: absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult. But

637
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 10: I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program.

638
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 10: Last year, I believe they had a terminal flaw in

639
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 10: a program and a roster that was otherwise built to whim.

640
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 10: And they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you

641
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 10: what else they did.

642
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: Not only did they go get.

643
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 10: John Mattiat quarterback and his offensive coordinator Arbuckle comes in.

644
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 10: Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as

645
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 10: they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit

646
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 10: me up and say, I don't know if you know

647
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 10: that guy or not, but he's a stud.

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Speaker 4: He's the real deal. So I trust them. I trust him.

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Speaker 10: I legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year,

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Speaker 10: but absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt

651
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Speaker 10: last year, should be good to go this year. They

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Speaker 10: really attacked wide receiver in the portal and they overhauled there.

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Speaker 10: They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end I think in

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Speaker 10: the portal defensively, and they acknowledged and addressed some of

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Speaker 10: the issues. They didn't have many dogs. They needed to

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Speaker 10: address one core issue and they did. Those are three

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Speaker 10: top ten recruiting classes stacked on top of each other.

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Speaker 10: Those are three top ten portal classes stacked on top

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Speaker 10: of each other.

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Speaker 4: I think they are very.

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Speaker 10: Very primed to be the surprise team in the SEC

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Speaker 10: this year, and they get Michigan and Auburn at home

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Speaker 10: two of I think the first four weeks of the year.

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Speaker 4: I expect them to.

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Speaker 10: Go into the red River game against Texas undefeated.

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Speaker 3: Wow, especially after Michigan. That would be the hype, would

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Speaker 3: be insane in the Red River rivalry. Josh Patark guest,

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Speaker 3: I'm Doug gottliefilling for Collins to hurd Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Kayleb Williams in and

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Speaker 3: they start to set the world on fire. And then

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, oh boy, oh boy, they start

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Speaker 3: they start the remodel. Where are they?

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Speaker 10: Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are.

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Speaker 4: Lincoln Riley, it's so funny.

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Speaker 10: His name was tied to the LSU job, and then

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Speaker 10: he takes the USC job, and then Brian Kelly takes

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Speaker 10: the LSU job. Both of those guys made critically wrong

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Speaker 10: decisions hiring at the outset, and they.

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Speaker 4: Suffered for it defensively.

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Speaker 10: Both of them addressed it, and they addressed it properly.

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Speaker 10: They both hired the right way. Defensively, they got the

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Speaker 10: right guys in the building. Last year, each place you

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Speaker 10: saw an uptick and production. I expect a full hockey

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Speaker 10: stick effect there again this year.

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Speaker 4: I expect a lot.

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Speaker 10: More scaling of defensive numbers. That's why, whether you know

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Speaker 10: it's Garrett Nuffmiri Lsu, or whether it's Mayava at USC,

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Speaker 10: I don't need those guys to.

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Speaker 4: Go in games single handedly.

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Speaker 10: I don't need them to pay forty like cam Ward

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Speaker 10: had to do last year at Miami. The question I

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Speaker 10: asked at USC when I was out there this spring

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Speaker 10: is do you have the bodies on the line of scrimmage?

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Speaker 4: Because that's what it will always.

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Speaker 10: Come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene,

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Speaker 10: Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule,

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Speaker 10: you're gonna play Ohio State or Penn State in December.

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Speaker 10: I mean that's really where you're going to have to

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Speaker 10: win the game. And you know, Link and Riley teams

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Speaker 10: have not been known for that both sides of the ball,

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Speaker 10: But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means

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Speaker 10: a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically, which brings

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Speaker 10: me to rewinding about sixteen or seventeen months. When he

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Speaker 10: stood there in that building after the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 10: season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are

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Speaker 10: starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about

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Speaker 10: this program. And I said, if he means it, this

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Speaker 10: is a new day at usc Okay. So then they

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Speaker 10: lost a bunch of one possession games last year. That

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Speaker 10: still could be evidence that they're on the right track.

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Speaker 10: If they are on the right track, my point is

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Speaker 10: this year it will manifest itself, and this year they'll

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Speaker 10: compete for the Big Ten championship. And if they don't,

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Speaker 10: patients will be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame

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Speaker 10: people if they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce

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Speaker 10: after this year, I think they'll be closer.

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Speaker 4: This year.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be the one possession game stuff.

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Speaker 4: All over again. Though, it's just which side are they on?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Josh Pate, Of course you may know page He

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Speaker 3: travels all around the country covers college football with his

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Speaker 3: college Football show. He joins U in the heard, I'm

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Speaker 3: Doug gottlieb in for Colin Here on a Friday soon

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Speaker 3: to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple

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Speaker 3: weeks away. Page State's anonymous with Penn State. James Franklin

726
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Speaker 3: has done an incredible job, FIRSTU Vanderbilt and at Penn State,

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Speaker 3: loading up with talent. But what's missing is big wins.

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Speaker 3: This has gotta be the year, right, I mean, this

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Speaker 3: has got to be the Like again, I know no

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Speaker 3: one everybody knows know what they have. They know what

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Speaker 3: they have at quarterback, and they know they got a

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Speaker 3: lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has gotta be

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Speaker 3: the year, doesn't it?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said.

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Speaker 10: I'm a believer that high expectation's totally fair if all

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Speaker 10: the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has

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Speaker 10: been given and James Franklin's got everything he needs and

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Speaker 10: they're not shying away from it. Manna, I'm not probably

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Speaker 10: gonna do a show from up there in a couple

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Speaker 10: of weeks, and I guarantee you will have him on

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Speaker 10: the show, and I guarantee you he'll look deat in

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Speaker 10: that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year.

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Speaker 10: That is their attitude and I'll tell you this. If

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Speaker 10: you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, Hey,

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Speaker 10: up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters.

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Speaker 4: You would think as a.

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Speaker 10: Casual fan, Well, they went to like the semi final

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Speaker 10: last year, so certainly the doubt has subsided. Right, No,

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Speaker 10: it hasn't at all. Plus the two pillars in the

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Speaker 10: doubt tree there were you can't beat the big boys,

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Speaker 10: and you can't go win a national championship. Well, they

752
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Speaker 10: got a shot against Ohio State, they lost. They got

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Speaker 10: a shot against Oregon, they lost. They went to the playoff,

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Speaker 10: they beat SMU and Boise, which a hater would tell

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Speaker 10: you they should have done, and the hater is right

756
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Speaker 10: by the way. And then they got a shot against

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Speaker 10: Notre Dame and they lost. So even though they went

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Speaker 10: to the semi final last year and it feels like

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Speaker 10: they broke new ground, they really didn't.

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Speaker 4: So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's coming to

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Speaker 4: your house.

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Speaker 10: You got the white out, it's not a noon kickoff.

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Speaker 4: There's no excuse. You need to beat them in week five.

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Speaker 10: You got to buy week before that, and they have

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Speaker 10: to travel to you with a new quarterback, By the way,

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Speaker 10: you're gonna go to Ohio State later in the year,

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Speaker 10: you better have at least split those games. You better

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Speaker 10: be in Indianapolis. You need to win Big ten championship.

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Speaker 10: You need to go deep in the playoff and beat

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Speaker 10: someone who lines up across from you, who recruits the

771
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Speaker 10: same caliber athlete you do. If you don't, the window's

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Speaker 10: not closed for you to win ten games. I'm a

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Speaker 10: believer James Franklin could do that forever up there, but

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Speaker 10: there probably is a window to win a championship there,

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Speaker 10: and you're right, this is the year they got to

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Speaker 10: do it.

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Speaker 3: This year, Josh, Great stuff, dude. We're just a couple

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Speaker 3: weeks away, a couple weeks aways, getting closer and closer.

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Speaker 3: I know your show is getting more and more intense.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being our guests. Look forward to seeing the

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Speaker 3: road and I always appreciate pay stay join us.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it, brother,