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Speaker 1: not all Pat's fault. He did a lot of good

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Speaker 1: that process is ongoing. We've completely reorganized areas in our

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Speaker 1: Dave knows that, and that's going to be the challenge

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Speaker 1: You know how how much blame do you deserve for that?

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Speaker 1: Pat wants to play Daniel. And my only question was,

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't work. Even last one you said that,

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