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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase that Lee.

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Speaker 2: This is the Phillies Show.

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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's the Lucky Here.

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Speaker 3: We are brought to you by the foul Territory Network.

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Speaker 3: It's Tuesday, October twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. Hard to believe,

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Speaker 3: but it's been almost three weeks since the Phillies played

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Speaker 3: their last game, that Game four loss to the Mets

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Speaker 3: in New York in the NL Division Series. Since then,

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Speaker 3: there's been a lot of talk, of course, about the

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Speaker 3: future of the Phillies. The next several weeks and months

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Speaker 3: will shape the future of the Phillies, and a big

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Speaker 3: part of that future, of course, is the Phillies farm system.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna need some of their prospects to step up

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Speaker 3: and play significant roles next season and beyond to keep

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Speaker 3: this window open as long as humanly possible. And so

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Speaker 3: who better to talk about the farm system than Phillies'

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Speaker 3: assistant general manager of player Development, Preston Manningly. Ruben, Jim

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Speaker 3: and I caught up with him earlier and chatted about

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Speaker 3: all those top Phillies prospects, from Andrew Painter to Aiden

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Speaker 3: Here's our interview with Preston. Preston, thank you for joining

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Speaker 3: us today. We appreciate the time. Kind of an interesting

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Speaker 3: part of the year. World Series is going on right now,

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Speaker 3: and you know, Jim Rubin and I are watching the

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Speaker 3: World Series and we were thinking that this World Series.

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Speaker 3: You might feel differently about this World Series anybody, because

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Speaker 3: you've got like connections to both teams. You know, like

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Speaker 3: you grew up your dad playing for the Yankees. You know,

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Speaker 3: you played in the Dodgers system, you worked for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: So do you like watch this World series any differently?

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Speaker 3: Are you kind of like so far from from those

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Speaker 3: things that you just watch it as a fan?

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Speaker 2: Watching as a fan, I've definitely pretty far removed, but

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Speaker 2: I definitely wish it was the Phillies playing. So I

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Speaker 2: think you still watch it with a little bit of

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Speaker 2: just like man, I wish this was us, but I

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Speaker 2: definitely think it's good for baseball. Two great teams. It's

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Speaker 2: been an entertaining series so far.

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Speaker 3: So Preston, Jim and I were talking yesterday about having

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Speaker 3: you on, and we were talking about all the different

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Speaker 3: guys we wanted to talk about, and we were saying, how, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, five, six, seven years ago, there was probably

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Speaker 3: only you know, maybe a handful of guys that we

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Speaker 3: like now it's you know, you could talk about twenty

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Speaker 3: five thirty guys that have some sort of level of intrigue.

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Speaker 3: And I'm wondering how you feel about the state of

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Speaker 3: the system since you've gotten here and kind of where

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Speaker 3: it is now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think anytime you run the minor leagues, you

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Speaker 2: always want to be better. You're always searching for better

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Speaker 2: and make things more efficient and you know, more volume

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Speaker 2: of players like you mentioned, interesting guys, different tiers what

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Speaker 2: we I call him internally, But I think the credit

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Speaker 2: for the turnaround the system would go to Brian Barber.

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Speaker 2: A lot of our acquisition team, whether it's Brian Barber

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Speaker 2: office of you know, krein Landry, Trey Barr, Annie Colombia,

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Speaker 2: of getting players in and we've been really aggressive in

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Speaker 2: a lot of different avenues, whether it's minor league Rule

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Speaker 2: five searching for players. We're constantly looking to upgrade our system,

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Speaker 2: and I think we've slowly but surely done that, and

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Speaker 2: I think we're not where we want to be yet, right,

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Speaker 2: that's not a secret, and I think we're going to

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Speaker 2: continue to try and build this thing internally and hopefully,

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Speaker 2: you know you mentioned twenty twenty five, hopefully a couple

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Speaker 2: of years from now it's thirty thirty five, and then

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Speaker 4: So Preston, as Todd said, there are a number of

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Speaker 4: really interesting names, and it's no secret that Andrew Painter

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Speaker 4: Arizona Fall League. Now, what are your days like peeking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've gotten to scene obviously living down here in

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Speaker 2: kind of I feel like we kind of passed him

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Speaker 2: to if they're not being competitive baseball for for two

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Speaker 2: we're innings under his belt, more pitches, and honestly, I

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Speaker 2: I think he's a special talent, a special kid from

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Speaker 2: to me refining that and being consistent on a day

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you're gonna be asked this like one hundred

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Speaker 4: not even there yet in terms of finalizing the plan

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Speaker 4: what you are thinking in terms of, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we haven't finalized anything as a group.

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Speaker 2: I think we haven't finalized anything yet. But honestly, a

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Speaker 2: And I think we'll do that here in the in

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Speaker 4: If he's healthy and feeling good and pitching well, do

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Speaker 2: You know, I think he has the talent to do

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Speaker 1: And I've seen him a couple of years ago. I

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Speaker 1: you tell it? Can you tell us you know there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a difference maker for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you touched on it. I think first thing,

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Speaker 2: I'll speak on the makeup, just from the time we

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Speaker 2: stood out just from a sense of you know, he's

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Speaker 2: impressed with with Andy is like he's not going to

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Speaker 2: Andy's the same way, but they just go about a

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Speaker 3: Preston, I remember that, were you there the day two

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Speaker 3: of the backfields and and Schwarber took him deep. Were

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Speaker 3: you were you were you watching that?

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Speaker 3: So so Schwarber hits his bomb to right field, and

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Speaker 3: Schwarber just kind of like gallops down the first baseline

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Speaker 3: and Andy had the best reaction. He handled it so well.

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Speaker 3: He kind of like tilted his head back and just

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Speaker 3: And I think that kind of to me that that

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Speaker 3: took it and stride. I mean, I imagine that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what you're talking about a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think he, you know,

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Speaker 2: whether it's a command standpoint or even getting hit around,

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Speaker 2: like the next outing, the next hitter, it's always right

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Speaker 2: after him. And there was never any of like, well

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Speaker 2: That's kind of his mindset. And it's been fun to

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Speaker 4: When a kid like that, who has so much talent

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Speaker 4: Can you tell us a little bit more about Tight?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he showed really well right with the Threshers this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's you know, we willing to challenge a lot

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Speaker 1: You talked about challenging, and I'm just kind of curious

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Speaker 4: What do you stress? Are there any strategies for improving

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Speaker 4: a guy's chase rate so when he gets to the

434
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Speaker 4: big leagues he's a more selective hitter.

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Speaker 2: So I think I take a step back and say, like,

436
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Speaker 2: I think you acquire it and in the draft. Internationally,

437
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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of different things you can

438
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Speaker 2: track to see how a guy sees the ball, a

439
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Speaker 2: lot of different you know, training you guys can you

440
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Speaker 2: can put guys through to track how they see the ball.

441
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Speaker 2: There's so much data in colleges when you draft players

442
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Speaker 2: of what guys do, So I think you can definitely

443
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Speaker 2: acquire that. I think once you get them in the system,

444
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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's it's very hard to flip

445
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Speaker 2: an extreme to the to the opposite side of the extreme,

446
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Speaker 2: Like if a guys let's just use a forty percent

447
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Speaker 2: chase rate in college. To me, it's if I going in,

448
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Speaker 2: it's going to be very tough to get him to

449
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Speaker 2: be a twenty percent chase rate guy in the minor leagues.

450
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Speaker 2: But you know, competition is going to get better. So

451
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's hard to ask that of a player.

452
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Speaker 2: But I think what we can do is take skill

453
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Speaker 2: sets that we value. Players who see the ball make

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Speaker 2: a certain amount of contact, and then to me, it's

455
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Speaker 2: easier to when you get them in the minor leagues

456
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Speaker 2: to coach them and develop them on that and train

457
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Speaker 2: them on like we obviously have a lot of resources

458
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Speaker 2: at our disposal, whether that's the trajec machine, which is

459
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Speaker 2: about as realistic as you can get from from a

460
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Speaker 2: pitching machine standpoint, and just put them through game at

461
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Speaker 2: bats simulations, constantly communicating with them with whether it's coaching

462
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Speaker 2: stuff about approach, about what you're trying to do with pitchers.

463
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Speaker 2: And then also like the game planning aspect has gotten

464
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Speaker 2: so big, and I think it's getting players to understand

465
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Speaker 2: like what you're looking for when you're looking for it.

466
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Speaker 2: It's a fine line of like not giving them too much,

467
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Speaker 2: but educating them on what pitchers are trying to do

468
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Speaker 2: to them so they can help make the best decisions

469
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Speaker 2: possible when they get in the box.

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Speaker 3: Another thing that Dave talked about a couple of weeks

471
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Speaker 3: ago was the importance of starting pitching depth, and he cited,

472
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Speaker 3: you know that the struggles in that number five spot

473
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Speaker 3: down the stretch in ability to kind of put up

474
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Speaker 3: consistent numbers, and I'm wondering where you feel like the

475
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Speaker 3: starting pitching depth is in the higher levels in terms

476
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Speaker 3: of their chances to step up and maybe you know,

477
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Speaker 3: perform better than expected or better than they did last year.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm talking about I guess Tyler Phillips. I

479
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Speaker 3: don't know if you'd call him a prospect because he's

480
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Speaker 3: been up, but I guess you could still you still could.

481
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Speaker 3: But mick Abel Moys's chasse, Seth Johnson, where do you

482
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Speaker 3: kind of see those guys right now in terms of

483
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Speaker 3: their development and ability to help you know, if not

484
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Speaker 3: next year than the year after that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, first off, you can never have enough

486
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Speaker 2: pitching depth, as everybody knows, like just with the injuries

487
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Speaker 2: as high as they are in today's game. I think,

488
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Speaker 2: you know, we've been very fortunate as an organization over

489
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years of our starting pitching health

490
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Speaker 2: guys for the most part of state healthy taking the ball.

491
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Speaker 2: So I think, like just mentioned, the guys are talking

492
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Speaker 2: about the guys you mentioned, you know, I think we're

493
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Speaker 2: we're very high on Seth Johnson. I know he came

494
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Speaker 2: up and struggled in a very short sample there in Miami,

495
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Speaker 2: but we think he's a guy that can help us

496
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Speaker 2: going forward. And then Mickey, well, I know he's been

497
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Speaker 2: very public of you know, some of the struggles Mick

498
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Speaker 2: went through this year. Honestly, I think it's going to

499
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Speaker 2: be good for him in the long run, some of

500
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Speaker 2: the things he had to go through, and I think

501
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Speaker 2: we do tend to forget he is a twenty two

502
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Speaker 2: year old in Triple A. It's a and honestly, the

503
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Speaker 2: way the game's trended the major leagues in Triple A,

504
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Speaker 2: it's a pretty wide gap now just the talent level,

505
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Speaker 2: and I think getting micked to that upper level using

506
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Speaker 2: major league baseballs with abs, it's a big adjustment for him.

507
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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of struggles that were public

508
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Speaker 2: throughout the year, we know he's made for that, and

509
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Speaker 2: I think there was some adjustments that came later to

510
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Speaker 2: where he continued to trend up throughout the you know,

511
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Speaker 2: throughout the season with his stuff. We think he's gonna

512
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Speaker 2: be a piece of what we're doing going forward. And

513
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Speaker 2: then the second piece of that Gregory Soto trade, Moys's

514
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Speaker 2: Chasse is a guy to me that has the stuff

515
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Speaker 2: now to compete the big leagues. It's just refining and

516
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Speaker 2: like the stunt, the fastball is special, it's it's a

517
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Speaker 2: he's got a sweeper, a cutter, and a change up.

518
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of finer points with him. We're trying

519
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Speaker 2: to do holding runners just you know, the overall strike

520
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Speaker 2: throwing is not quite where it needs to be. But

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Speaker 2: I think, like to me, he's a guy where if

522
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Speaker 2: he takes that next step from a command standpoint, it's

523
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Speaker 2: not gonna matter as much the hitters. It's gonna matter

524
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Speaker 2: of like him getting the ball of the plate consistently,

525
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Speaker 2: cause if he does that, he's gonna have real success.

526
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a guy where running into some scouts

527
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Speaker 3: in the press box late in this season, they seem

528
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Speaker 3: to like be wow, you know this guy. Chas say

529
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Speaker 3: the Phillies are really lucky they got him, and you

530
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Speaker 3: sound like he had that similar excitement about his his potential.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got to see his some of a

532
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Speaker 2: couple of his starts down the stretch, and I was

533
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Speaker 2: fortunate to see the one in Somerset where he went

534
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Speaker 2: six innings and I think eighty four pitches and struck

535
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Speaker 2: out fourteen. It honestly looked like minimumst boys, and he

536
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Speaker 2: had a line up he was facing John Birdie and

537
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Speaker 2: Anthony Rizzouz in the lineup, and the Yankees do a

538
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Speaker 2: good job with hitters in the minor leagues. They have

539
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Speaker 2: always have good group, and he went right through him,

540
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Speaker 2: and like it just showed that was probably his high.

541
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Speaker 2: But if that's the high, like we'll take it, and

542
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Speaker 2: I definitely think it'll be good enough when he gets

543
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Speaker 2: to the major leagues. Two and then nothing about him too,

544
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Speaker 2: is he's twenty one years old and he's somewhat new

545
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Speaker 2: to pitching with the amount of mileage he has on

546
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Speaker 2: his arm, but he's not scared either, and he's going

547
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Speaker 2: to keep coming after you. And he has the stuff,

548
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Speaker 2: Like we said, if we can harness that and get

549
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Speaker 2: him in the zone that he could hit a chance

550
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Speaker 2: to pitch for a long time. And I think one

551
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: thing we did with Moyses was when we got and

552
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Speaker 2: he had pitched in a little bit of the Piggybacks

553
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: system with Baltimore, we wanted to get him a consistent

554
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Speaker 2: role and let him build on his routines. So we

555
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Speaker 2: moved him just to the starting where he was a

556
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Speaker 2: consistent starter weekend week out, just to try and dial

557
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Speaker 2: in his his routines. His his you know, is in

558
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Speaker 2: between start lifts things like that to where he could

559
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Speaker 2: get a consistent foundation built going forward. On the on

560
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Speaker 2: the starting.

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Speaker 1: Side, President, I wanted to talk about that starting stuff

562
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Speaker 1: and and uh and developing starting pitchers. Has been obviously

563
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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about, you know, whether it's you know,

564
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Speaker 1: having enough starting pitching depth and being able to get

565
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Speaker 1: starters who can go longer and longer into the game.

566
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Speaker 1: They're thinking about making changes even uh at at a

567
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Speaker 1: much higher level than all of us about you know,

568
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Speaker 1: having the starters pitch more. What is your philosophy. I

569
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Speaker 1: know it's I know it's a very delicate thing because

570
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Speaker 1: you know, certain guys are not necessarily coming out of

571
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Speaker 1: college or have a ton of innings, and some guys

572
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Speaker 1: are you know, you're really careful with the guys are

573
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Speaker 1: coming off injuries, et cetera, et cetera. But what's your

574
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Speaker 1: philosophy and are you trying to get those guys stretched

575
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Speaker 1: out longer? You've ben trying to prepare some of those

576
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Speaker 1: starters for those types of roles later on in their

577
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Speaker 1: major league career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think first off, like I know, there's been

579
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Speaker 2: a lot of changes that we talked about that have

580
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Speaker 2: been very public. I hope they don't make those changes.

581
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Speaker 2: I think that would be killing them. I honestly think

582
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: it would kill the starting pitcher. I think if you

583
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Speaker 2: want starters, you got to develop them as starters. And

584
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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, as an industry, we're guilty

585
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Speaker 2: as well of you know, we chase stuff. We chase

586
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Speaker 2: guys getting into higher end velocities, and usually what that

587
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: means is you throw them in shorter stints. I think

588
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 2: as an organization and as an industry, we have to

589
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: be willing to let guys pitch deep into game knowing that, hey,

590
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: there's stuff may not grade out quite as well, they

591
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: may not be throwing quite as hard, and that's okay

592
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Speaker 2: because if we do that consistently and we get them

593
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Speaker 2: through five and six and seven innings and we get

594
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Speaker 2: workload under their belt. I'm not smart enough to know

595
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Speaker 2: if it will help injuries, but I have a feeling

596
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Speaker 2: that if we get guys to where they're consistently and

597
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Speaker 2: consistent routines going deeper into games in the minor leagues,

598
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Speaker 2: that when they get to the big leagues and they

599
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Speaker 2: have one hundred innings, one hundred and twenty innings, one

600
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty innings under their belt. It will it

601
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: will help decrease some of the injuries we have the

602
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: big league level. Once guys get there and they've only

603
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: only thrown thirty forty innings, and then we're asking them

604
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Speaker 2: to go face world class hitters and oh, by the way,

605
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: double and triple your workload. It's just to me, it's

606
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: not sustainable, and as an industry, we have to be

607
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: willing to develop these guys as starters and let them

608
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: pitch deep into games responsibly, but pitch deep into games

609
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 2: and do it consistently. That was my ram. The pitching side,

610
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: that's awesome, not that man.

611
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: That fires me up because I think that there's I

612
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Speaker 1: think it's I think there's been a trend to go

613
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Speaker 1: the other way, and I really do think it's I mean,

614
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think you're putting

615
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: a workload on the bullpens and others. On the domino

616
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: effect associated with not going deeper into games and having

617
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: starters go consistently six or so of an innings, I

618
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Speaker 1: think it's made it made it even more difficult for sustainability.

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you've seen our organization. It's something we

620
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: really believe in as our starting pitchers going deep into games.

621
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Speaker 2: Whether it's the big league level, you can go and

622
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: track all through the minor leagues. A lot of our kids,

623
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Speaker 2: whether they're nineteen twenty, they're throwing one hundred plus innings

624
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues, and we think that's really valuable

625
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: for them, whether that's just getting out there on the

626
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: mound working on their craft like that helps with the

627
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: running game, that helps with you know, understanding how to

628
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: slow the game down at times when you've been out

629
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Speaker 2: there in the fifth, sixth, seventh inning to know what

630
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Speaker 2: to expect. Then when you do get to the major

631
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Speaker 2: leagues and you're out there in the sixth inning, it's like, Oh,

632
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: I've been here before, now I know what I need

633
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: to do. Versus it's foreign to these guys when they

634
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: get out there in the fourth inning. It's like, you know,

635
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: what do you expect is going to happen? If they've

636
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: never done the big at the minor leagues? Like, what

637
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Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen at the major

638
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: league level.

639
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Speaker 4: Are there kids that you encounter, maybe new kids in

640
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: the system, that feel like I pitched four innings.

641
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: I pitched five innings.

642
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: I did my job, and you have to convince them that,

643
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: you know, there's another plot tell you need to go

644
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 4: to to be considered a legit starting pitcher in the

645
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: major leagues.

646
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: No, I think guys want to pitch. I think guys

647
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: want to stay out there as long as possible. You

648
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: may get a one off, but I think for the

649
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: most part, Look, I can only speak for our players,

650
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: but I know, you know, you got to rip the

651
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: ball out of our guys hands at times, and they

652
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: want to be out there, and and I love that

653
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: about him, So I think, you know, I can only

654
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: speak for our organization, but I know our guys want

655
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: to pitch deep into games.

656
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: Presston Griff McGarry's in the Fall League and it's the folly.

657
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: But I notice he's made two starts. As you know,

658
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: he's he moved into a reliever situation role. What's what's

659
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: kind of going on with him? Is there any reason

660
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: behind him starting or is it just as a fall

661
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: league and we want to get him a routine? Is

662
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: it as simple as ads or something more there?

663
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Griff's the guy. Obviously, it's been a starter kind

664
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: of his whole tenure here with us in the Phillies,

665
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: and we had built a pretty good workload on him

666
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: and this year we or last year we kind of

667
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: transition him to more of a reliever, and we had

668
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: worked on some different things from an arm pass standpoint

669
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: to try and shorten him up a little bit, and

670
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: we did that with his arm and we threw him

671
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: in sh order stints. Honestly, it's more of a workload

672
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: thing now. I think now that the arm, the arm

673
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: strokes where we want to be. We felt it's time

674
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: to kind of make you more versatile and LinkedIn his

675
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: role out and we know he can start. It's just

676
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: to me with Griff it's very similar to Moises is

677
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: just the command aspect of it of getting in the

678
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: strike zone. And then we've seen, honestly, as a starter

679
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: at times it's been better than as a reliever. So

680
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: it's always going to be that guy that's gonna, you know,

681
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: more of a stuff starter. It's going to use a

682
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: lot of his pitches in four or five innings, but

683
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: that's still valuable as well, and you know, I think

684
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: keeping him his options open out in the Fall League.

685
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: He's obviously pitched very well and his two or three

686
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: at outings, so hopefully we continue that, you know, throughout

687
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: the rest of the fall and then bring him into

688
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: spring training. To me, I think we have not sat

689
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: down as an organization to finalize everything, but to me,

690
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: like we can go either way now that point. If

691
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: we want to move to linked him out and mak

692
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: him a full time starter, we could do that. If

693
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: we wanted to keep him short and that when I

694
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: say short, that multi inning reliever, we can do that

695
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: as well.

696
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: So Preston, will hear so much about Aiden Miller, you

697
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: reference his name earlier, can just tell us what makes

698
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: him special? You know in your eyes having now witnessed

699
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: him for a full season and a half.

700
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what makes him special is is like

701
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: his work ethic first off, and who he is. I

702
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: think from the second he got into an organization, it's

703
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: been like on a mission to get better and prove

704
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: either prove people wrong of where he got picked, prove

705
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: people wrong in the fact that he can play shortstop,

706
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: and just ultimately like he knows where he wants to

707
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: go and he's like consistently asking questions and challenge just

708
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: to like, hey, get me there quicker and honestly, sometimes

709
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: like we have to pull the reins back on him

710
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 2: a little bit because you can get a little bit

711
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: moving pretty fast, and you know, three days after the season,

712
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: he's wanting to be full go taken in field out,

713
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, in a carpenter complex. But I think it's

714
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: a good problem to have. He's extremely driven, He's an

715
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 2: extremely hard working kid. He's very intelligent, and he has

716
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: all the tools necessary to be a very good, big

717
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: leader for a long time. That's kind of what makes

718
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: him special. I mean, he's very like intelligent on the field,

719
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: he's a great person. Just like to me, Aiden's the

720
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: total package. And I don't I always sometimes hesitate to,

721
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, kind of pump up our guys in the media,

722
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: But with Aiden, it doesn't bother me at all because

723
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: I know, you know what he's looking to do, and

724
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: none of this stuff, whether he's performing well or he

725
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: struggled a little bit, he never changed his pretty even

726
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: keel of and he knows what he wants to do.

727
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: You mentioned when you you promoted him into reading, you

728
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: wanted to really push him because you felt he was

729
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: ready and that you felt that anything that maybe cropped

730
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: up in reading would kind of help him figure out

731
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: his off season plan, what might have popped up that

732
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 3: he might be working on this offseason, that he might

733
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: have learned about himself and running that he hopes maybe

734
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: he can take to the next level next year.

735
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he got hurt and didn't get to play

736
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: as much as we would have liked. But I'll just

737
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: take a step back even too. Jersey, Like, you know,

738
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: he had struggled a little bit for the first time

739
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: probably in his career ever, for the first month there

740
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: in Jersey, And honestly, it was more just surface numbers

741
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: and everything underlying was better in Jersey than it was

742
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: in clear Water, which was kind of interesting to us,

743
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: Like we didn't really know why he was struggling. I

744
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: think there was a few things Aiden from, like a

745
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: mentality standpoint, and like a few small swing things that

746
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: Luke Marton, our director of hitting, went in and talked

747
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: to him about. And honestly, since that time he kind

748
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: of clicked, and we felt it was more just about

749
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: Aiden getting it getting at bats verst higher level pitching,

750
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: versus fixing swings or or making adjustments. We felt like

751
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: we had made the necessary adjustments and it was now

752
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: time for him to just go play and just learn

753
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: pitching and work on his you know what he's trying

754
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: to do with pitchers and along that line versus like

755
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: actually making true like swing adjustments. And we know there'll

756
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: be more things along the way, but we felt this swing.

757
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: You know, from a mental standpoint, he was in a

758
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: very good spot and it was like it was time

759
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: for him to face some high level pitching in there

760
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: and reading.

761
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: As far as his position. As far as his position

762
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: is concerned, I mean, what if you were to just

763
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: look at him as a scout and as an evaluator,

764
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: what position on the field do you think is his

765
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: best position? And what position or positions do you feel

766
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: like he can play?

767
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like when you like, I think like

768
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: the I was like you guys have done some scouting too.

769
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: When you look at Aiden, you he screams third base right,

770
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: just like the size, the low the lower half's very

771
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: strong and this looks like that prototypical just strong bodied

772
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: third baseman. But I think when you see move around

773
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: and you see kind of the side to side he

774
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: can throw from different ARMStrokes. He turns the double play

775
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: really well. You start to seem and you're like hmm,

776
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: I think you can play shortstop, so I think you

777
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: mentioned this position. I think to me, also like when

778
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: the mentioned turn the double play, like second base is

779
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: an option, but i'd say third base, shortstop, and second

780
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: base to me, or the three options as you know

781
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: a lot of times in the games, like when you

782
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: get called up, it's circumstance and that's where we need somebody,

783
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: and whether that's shortstop, third base, second base, I think

784
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: Aiden will be equipped to do all three. I think

785
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: just the the profiles differently. Right. If you get Aiden

786
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: at second base, he's a power hitting on base machine

787
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: who I was going to put together grade at bats

788
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: it's shortstop. He's kind of that, you know, it's kind

789
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: of always that like what I just described, but like

790
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: you kind of look for different things in different positions,

791
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: whether that's defense versus offense. And he profiles at all three.

792
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: So I think to answer, you're quite kind of danced

793
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: around a little bit, Ruben. But to answer, I think

794
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: he could play any of those three. And I think,

795
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna keep Mitt shortstopp for as long

796
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: as possible, but also let's start to layer in some

797
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: other positions now that he's at the upper levels knowing that, hey,

798
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: if something happens and we need a spot or we

799
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: need to be able to play third base, we don't

800
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: want the first time him doing that to be in

801
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: the major leagues.

802
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: One guy we touched on real briefly earlier was it

803
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: was was Justin Crawford and Dave Dombrowski a couple of

804
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: weeks ago said, I think the quote was something like,

805
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: you know he's coming fast. We think he's coming fast.

806
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: Why why do you think he's you know, he's coming

807
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: fast towards the big leagues. You know, besides his talent obviously,

808
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: but what's really jumped out at you over this past

809
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: year that makes you feel like he might be getting close?

810
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, The first thing that comes to mind with Justin

811
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: is how prepared this kid is. And honestly, like the

812
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: where he grew up with his dad, he got to

813
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: probably watch it firsthand. But Justin is as buttoned up

814
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: on his routines, his hamstring program his maintenance programs as

815
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: any player we have. And that's at nineteen and twenty

816
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: years old. So I think when you get a kid

817
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: who's that talented and he's as buttoned up as he

818
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: is on his routines and what he needs to work on.

819
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: I think, like, and you just start to throw out like, hey,

820
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: he's a seventy eighty runner with elite bat to ball skills,

821
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: and he can play center field and he's going to

822
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: be an impact force on the bases. Like it's obviously

823
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: very intriguing. Then you know, there's been some well known stuff,

824
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: you know, thrown around about Justin about his ground ball rate.

825
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: I personally think like, as he gets older and gets

826
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: more mature, that's going to continue to trend down. But

827
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: I would also say, like he's a guy that his

828
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: profile is always going to be more conducive to we

829
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: want more balls on the ground. But I think, you know,

830
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: people don't people look at Justin as a kind of

831
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: a singles type hitter. I don't see that at all.

832
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: I think this kid's going to have real power. And

833
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, he's already shown some upper index of velocities

834
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: and able to drive the ball to the opposite field

835
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: and and a lot of his his stuff with his

836
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: quality of contact is just a it's just a byproduct

837
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: of like him catching the ball so deep, and as

838
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: he learns to catch the ball out in front a

839
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: little bit more. I think we'll get he'll get the

840
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: ball in the air and on the line more naturally.

841
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: So you know, we're very high on Justin and another

842
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: tremendous kid who Brian Barber and his staff did a

843
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: great job of identifying makeup tools and talent. And yeah,

844
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: he's going to be a fun one for Philadelphia fans

845
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: to watch.

846
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: The man if he hits the ball on the line,

847
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: a lot of balls in the gap. I'm seeing a

848
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: lot of doubles and triples. I'm sure sure.

849
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: It's a triple as soon as he hits that gap.

850
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: So he's got that kind of impact potential.

851
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: And when I when I look at the Phillies center

852
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: field position, over many many years, there's been a lot

853
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: of transition. It's almost been a turnstile out there. And

854
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 4: he looks like the type of kid who could when

855
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: he gets here it down for a good long time.

856
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: And that's something they haven't had in a long time

857
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: in center field, middle of the diamond position.

858
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: That's so important.

859
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 4: You see this kid as having a long career once

860
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 4: he gets there.

861
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the hope. Right, He's a guy

862
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: that we feel very confident his ability to play center

863
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: field to hit at the top of the order, and

864
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: obviously he needs to keep progressing like we think he can.

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Speaker 2: But you know, with the tools and the skill set

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Speaker 2: that he has, I don't see any reason why this

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Speaker 2: kid's not playing in the major leagues for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Prester, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions

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Speaker 1: about just overall, like the Phillies philosophy. I know there's

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Speaker 1: organizations that have like the Dodgers Way and the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Way and stuff like that. Is there still a Phillies Way?

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Speaker 1: Is it something that I know you have, probably have

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Speaker 1: a developed player development manual, what have you. Can you

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about, you know, that fundamental part

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Speaker 1: of what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we talk a lot about what we call

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Speaker 2: protect the Standard, and what goes into that, honestly, is

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Speaker 2: just four things that require no talent, And what we

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Speaker 2: try and preach with all of our players is like

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Speaker 2: talentless things, right like how we respect each other, the game, teammates, staff,

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Speaker 2: how we prepare, how we play, and how we compete.

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Speaker 2: So it's those four things, none of them take any talent.

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Speaker 2: We preach it day in day out. Our players know it,

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Speaker 2: our staff know it. And we try and push those things,

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Speaker 2: knowing that Brian Barber and his scouting staff they're gonna

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Speaker 2: they're gonna sign players with big tools and big talent,

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Speaker 2: and so is sal and the international side with Georgie

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Speaker 2: and Derek Chung, we're going to continue to bring those

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Speaker 2: players in. So we've chosen the route of really preaching

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Speaker 2: things that you can control, knowing that the talent's going

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Speaker 2: to come in and it's just to me maintain they are,

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Speaker 2: you know, growing that talent as it gets there. So

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say we have like, hey, this is the

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Speaker 2: Philly way of how we're going to do this, but

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Speaker 2: what we have is our standard of how we do

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Speaker 2: things and we don't deviate from it.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Preston, thanks a lot for the time, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we could talk and you know, ask you about ten,

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Speaker 3: like I said, ten to fifteen other guys. You know,

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Speaker 3: we didn't even get touch on Devin Salty Bond and

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Speaker 3: and you know know, you know with some of these

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Speaker 3: other guys that are that are coming up through the

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Speaker 3: system that has everybody saying is rincone is you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, they asked this one last question.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you go.

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Speaker 3: Who would be your under the radar guys? Or is

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Speaker 3: there an under the radar guy? I don't know if

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Speaker 3: that's putting you on the spot or not, but is

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Speaker 3: there an under the radar guy that comes to mind

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Speaker 3: that you're like, Man, I cannot believe people are not

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Speaker 3: talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple you just mentioned. I'll give

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Speaker 2: you a one outfielder, one infielder, and uh, one of

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Speaker 2: them is like how you mentioned Rinconis. I think he's

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Speaker 2: an under the radar guy from the simple standpoint of

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Speaker 2: he's going to have top of the scale power. He's

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Speaker 2: a better defender than people think. He's maybe one of

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Speaker 2: our best base runners, and he controls his own really well,

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Speaker 2: so maybe that kind of true. I think he's a

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Speaker 2: better hitter than this. But the true out the three

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Speaker 2: true outcome guy who gets on base has real power

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Speaker 2: and to me, has the ability to play at least average,

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Speaker 2: maybe a tick above average major league corner outfield. He's

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Speaker 2: going to be a quality base runner for you. He'll

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Speaker 2: get you twenty to twenty five bags just off instincts

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Speaker 2: Loan and I personally still think there's a good enough

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Speaker 2: hitter in there where. He's not one of those, you know,

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Speaker 2: low average type guys. So I think he's got a

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Speaker 2: chance to impact the major leagues here and here coming

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Speaker 2: soon if he continues continues to progress. And then the

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Speaker 2: one infielder I would give you was a rune Escobar.

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Speaker 2: You know, Starlin Covin and Wardotey get a lot of

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Speaker 2: a lot of the hype, which is well deserved. A

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Speaker 2: ruined Escobar kind of flew under the radar on our

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Speaker 2: FCL team, and part of it was because he went

941
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Speaker 2: down with an injury, a lower level or lower leg injury.

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Speaker 2: But he's a guy that has real power. He controls

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Speaker 2: the zone, he's a plus defender, maybe it's second and

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Speaker 2: third base, and he's strong man. This kid is strong

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Speaker 2: and he loves the play, and so I think he's

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Speaker 2: a guy to me as it a We plan on

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Speaker 2: starting him in the full season next year, and I

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Speaker 2: think people will start to see him as a as

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Speaker 2: an eighteen year old, nineteen year old kid that can

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Speaker 2: play a couple of spots in the infield, controls the zone,

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Speaker 2: is really good at back quality and we think there's

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Speaker 2: gonna be real power potential in there, so he'd be

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Speaker 2: a little bit of sleeper for me as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, nice, awesome, thank thanks Pressing.

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Speaker 1: Thanks show much for your time. Man, we know it's

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Speaker 1: not an easy time. I know you guys got a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on, so we appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you guys having me on anytime. This is fun.

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Speaker 2: Love talking about our players.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Chres, Thanks again to Preston for the time. I

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Speaker 3: hope you guys enjoyed that. Ruben, Jim and I will

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