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Speaker 1: Cool media.

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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by doctor James's Stout and Reverend doctor the

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Speaker 2: Honorable Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Hmm, that's right, Reverend doctor the honorable Evans,

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Speaker 3: who is currently hacking up a fucking lung. Uh, no idea,

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Speaker 3: Why I feel otherwise fine?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you feel otherwise fine due to this

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Speaker 2: great week in American history we've all been through together, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which started with a meeting between President Donald Trump and

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Speaker 2: El Salvador President Bukelea on Monday morning in the Oval Office,

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Speaker 2: where they discussed the possibility of the United States helping

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Speaker 2: to build more Seacott style facilities to disappear US citizens

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Speaker 2: and immigrant that the Trump administration deems criminals or terrorists.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, I keep getting asked, is this the

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Speaker 3: panic moment? And I don't think panic is particularly productive,

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Speaker 3: but like, yeah, this is the worst case scenario. The

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Speaker 3: worst case scenario is happening. The President's talking about sending

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Speaker 3: citizens overseas, to a concentration camp. Honestly, I'm on the

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Speaker 3: verge of thinking it's okay to call it a death camp,

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Speaker 3: but we just don't have the data yet. There's some

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Speaker 3: very concerning satellite shots that appear to show piles of bodies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's from March of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, but it won't have gotten.

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Speaker 2: Better no, no, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. This is about as bad as

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Speaker 3: it could be, folks, We're in it.

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Speaker 2: During that meeting, both President Bukeley and and the Trump

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Speaker 2: cabinet argue that there is simply no way for people

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Speaker 2: coming up with a whole bunch of absurd, obsurd reasons

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Speaker 2: to foremol and safety of both Al Salvador and the

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Speaker 2: United States. Me and James did a whole episode on

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Speaker 2: this earlier this week that you can check out on

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Speaker 2: the It could Happen here feed. I'm gonna move on

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Speaker 2: to an update on the student crackdowns. So ICE has

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Speaker 2: targeted a third Green card holder for deportation based on

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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian activism. Mohsen Matuwi is a Palestinian from the

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Speaker 2: West Bank who has lived in the US with a

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Speaker 2: He co founded the Columbia Palestinian Student Union in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three with Mahmoud Khalil. Maduwi was arrested by Ice

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Speaker 2: last Monday, April fourteenth at his citizenship interview in Vermont.

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Speaker 2: Now after Khalil was arrested last month, Madowi went into

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Speaker 2: hiding and he suspected that this citizenship interview could be

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Speaker 2: long time for this point meant, his lawyers quickly filed

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Speaker 2: a habeas corpus petition arguing his detentions unlawful and Violet's

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Speaker 2: later that he was quote not to be removed from

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Speaker 2: the District of Vermont, pending for their order of this court.

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Speaker 2: Zionistocksing accounts targeted Marwi in recent weeks. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: play actually this two minute clip of Marwi talking. This

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Speaker 4: What was your initial reaction when you heard about the

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Speaker 5: I could not believe what my eyes were seeing, where

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Speaker 5: But also the first moment I saw that, I put

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Speaker 4: The night of the rally, I believe someone in the

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Speaker 5: Yes, this was as a walk out on November ninth,

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Speaker 5: comes down down the stairs yelling death to Jews. I

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Speaker 5: I tooked the megaphone and they gave a speech and

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Speaker 5: they said, we here are conscious, educated students, and we

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Speaker 5: is clearly anti sematic against Jews. Ant to be anti

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Speaker 5: hand in hand because injustice anywhere is a threat to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he said everything that would make him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he took a step back from protests in March

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and like I believe he didn't. Isn't he like

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Speaker 2: Yes, part of why he took a step back was

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Speaker 2: he told CBS News the day before he was detained. Quote,

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Speaker 2: if my story will become another story for the struggle

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Speaker 2: to have justice and democracy in this country, let it

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Speaker 2: be unquote like other students who've been targeted and arrested.

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Speaker 2: He has not been charged or accused of any crime,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hot to see how but I think as we're

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Speaker 2: Now, last Friday, a Louisiana judge ruled in favor of

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration to allow the deportation of Mahmoud Khalil,

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Speaker 2: upholding the government's argument that the rarely used Cold War

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Speaker 2: quote US policy. Had to come by anti semitism around

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Speaker 3: A lot of what we're seeing here is the natural

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is the same stuff that we

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Speaker 2: Lawyers for Khalil have until April twenty third to file

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Speaker 3: Finally, finally, something fun.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're back. I'm gonna throw to Robert Evans

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, RFK Junior. He's not just strapping the carcass

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Speaker 2: Kind of doing a national eugenics program.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of calling a large group of people in

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Speaker 8: Jazz Bob, welcome the Tariff talk, the talk where I

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Speaker 8: talk to you about the turf tariffs. So all right,

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Speaker 8: the big thing that happens last week in tariffs was

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Speaker 8: retaliatory stuff for a little bit, and they've been ramping

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Speaker 8: up this program to restrict US access to rare earth

440
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 8: elements that are necessary for a whole bunch of advanced engineering,

441
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Speaker 8: particularly sort of defense projects. This is the thing that

442
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 8: could genuinely devastate the American defense sector. Trump's plan for

443
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 8: this is that he's threatening to use the Trade Expansion

444
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Speaker 8: Act nineteen sixty two to impose even more devastating tariffs.

445
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Speaker 8: Now it is genuinely unclear to me, Like what is

446
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Speaker 8: he going to do impose in one thousand percent tariff?

447
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Speaker 2: Like you need to buy these goods, like you say that, Mia,

448
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Speaker 2: And yeah, he probably will.

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Speaker 8: He probably will. Like two weeks ago, one thousand percent

450
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Speaker 8: tariffs would have been a joke, But no, they might.

451
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Speaker 8: They might legitimately do one thousand percent tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Why not.

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Speaker 8: There's also been the beginnings of of on the us

454
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Speaker 8: ND sort of export restrictions from chip exports to China

455
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Speaker 8: and countries like Nvidia and AMD. And this is a

456
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Speaker 8: fucking big rip to the big rip to the fucking

457
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Speaker 8: AI people. Each hit get fucked. Yeah, so like so

458
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Speaker 8: that that's roughly the state of of the tariffs right now,

459
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 8: more more bullshit will happen. We'll be back on Tariff

460
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Speaker 8: Talk next week with another round of unbelievably hideous turf

461
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Speaker 8: tariff shit. But I want to I want to move

462
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Speaker 8: on to one more thing, which is things that have

463
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Speaker 8: been happening at the at the NLRB. So the NLRB,

464
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Speaker 8: for people who are not regular listeners to the show,

465
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Speaker 8: is the National Labor Relations Board. They were in charge

466
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Speaker 8: of a whole bunch of things related to negotiations between

467
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Speaker 8: employers and unions. Are the people who certify union elections,

468
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 8: they handle unfair labor practices disputes, and Doge effectively broke

469
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Speaker 8: into the NLRB and has seized a whole bunch of

470
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Speaker 8: information that they shouldn't have. NPR broke the story and

471
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 8: has been doing a lot of good coverage of it.

472
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 8: So it came in right. They technically had some kind

473
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Speaker 8: of like order saying that they're supposed to be able

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Speaker 8: to come in and do this stuff. And they set

475
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Speaker 8: up and they disable all of the security stuff and

476
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Speaker 8: all of the sort of like logs and all the

477
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 8: sort of stuff that's supposed to like verify what someone's

478
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Speaker 8: doing on a computer system, they go in and disable all

479
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Speaker 8: of them, They delete all traces of what they do.

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Speaker 8: And this is a big deal because the NLRB has

481
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Speaker 8: a lot of extremely sensitive data, has extremely sensitive data

482
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Speaker 8: on unions, It has a lot of extremely sensitive trade

483
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Speaker 8: data on private companies. Now, the NLRB person who blew

484
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Speaker 8: the whistle on this to NPR described how so he

485
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Speaker 8: complains about to his superiors about Doge again just like

486
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 8: sort of breaking into this fucking like office and just

487
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 8: like stealing all of this data. Because he mean, so

488
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Speaker 8: he notices this program that they're building that's literally just

489
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Speaker 8: called like backdoor, which is like again, what you would

490
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Speaker 8: do if you were literally running a hack, right, And

491
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Speaker 8: we'll come back to in a second. So the NLOP

492
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 8: person complains to a superior so like, hey, these DOSE

493
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 8: people are just like stealing all of the data from

494
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Speaker 8: this And then like the next day, someone from Doge

495
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 8: tapes to his door pictures of him and his dogs

496
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Speaker 8: with like a threatening thing on it, like drone footage

497
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Speaker 8: of him and his dog like walking, which is so

498
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Speaker 8: fucking weird. I don't even know, I don't even so, yeah,

499
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Speaker 8: that's that's extremely alarming. This is this is they're they're

500
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Speaker 8: just blatantly threatening a whistleblower. Yeah. So so the other

501
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 8: reason that this is really concerning is that so a

502
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Speaker 8: lot of the corporate media is focused on the fact

503
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Speaker 8: that there's a lot of trade information in there, there's

504
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Speaker 8: also a lot of very personal information about unions, about

505
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Speaker 8: union strength, about size, about tactics, about the history of

506
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Speaker 8: negotiating things about just where unions are and who's in them.

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Speaker 8: And it's it's deeply unclear what DOGE is going to

508
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Speaker 8: do with this information. But it's not good. And again,

509
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Speaker 8: and I need to emphasize this. So I talked to

510
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Speaker 8: friend of the show, oh Maya Arson crime w about this,

511
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 8: who is someone who knows a lot about hacking, And

512
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Speaker 8: I said to it, okay, so this is what you

513
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Speaker 8: would do if you were if you were just straight

514
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 8: up like hacking the NLRB, right, like, these are the

515
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Speaker 8: things you would do, And they went, yeah, pretty much.

516
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Speaker 8: So it's great, it's great. Yeah, the dose are just

517
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 8: stolen a bunch of information. Who knows what's gonna happen

518
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 8: to it. Who knows what's gonna happen with their escalation

519
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 8: of attacks on whistleblowers. But things bad, things continue to

520
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 8: go bad.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that uplifting story, Miya about Doge

522
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Speaker 2: breaking into and stealing data from the NLRB and posting

523
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Speaker 2: overhead drone photos of people's houses who threatened the Doge supremacy.

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Speaker 1: We're back, Thank you, Future Garrison and future Miya. So

525
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Speaker 1: it's my role here to update you on the Board

526
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Speaker 1: of Fashion, and that's what I'm here to do.

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Speaker 6: Where I want to start this week is in the

528
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Speaker 6: Roosevelt Reservation.

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Speaker 1: This is something that's been reported on a little bit.

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Speaker 6: It's largely by people who maybe only found out about

531
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Speaker 6: it this week and looked at a Wikipedia page then

532
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 6: it wrote a story. The Roosevelt Reservation is a sixty

533
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Speaker 6: foot easement that runs along the southwestern border of the

534
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Speaker 6: United States from the coast in San Diego or the

535
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Speaker 6: way to New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't cover the Texas border.

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Speaker 6: I've written about it before for the Sierra Club and

538
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Speaker 6: for Drilled News four or five years ago, and I'm

539
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Speaker 6: going to include a link to the Sierra Club piece

540
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Speaker 6: in the show notes that Drill pieces down now they

541
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Speaker 6: don't have that print side anymore. It was established in

542
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Speaker 6: nineteen oh seven by Teddy Roosevelt and It was transferred

543
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Speaker 6: for three years from the Department of the Interior Department

544
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Speaker 6: of Defense by the Trump administration in twenty nineteen using

545
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Speaker 6: an executive order this year in twenty twenty five, all

546
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Speaker 6: of the Roosevelt Reservation that is not part of federal

547
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 6: reservation land was placed on the Department of Defense jurisdiction.

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Speaker 6: A lot of reports seems to have missed this exemption

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Speaker 6: for federal reservation land, which makes up a significant part

550
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Speaker 6: of the border, especially in Arizona right in the Tornad Reservation.

551
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Speaker 6: I'm going to quote from the language of the executive

552
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 6: order here quote to provide for the use and jurisdiction

553
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Speaker 6: by the Department events over such federal lands, including the

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Speaker 6: Roosevelt Reservation, and excluding Federal Indian reservations that are reasonably

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Speaker 6: necessary to enable military activities directed in this memorandum, including

556
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Speaker 6: border barrier construction and emplacement of detection and monitoring equipment.

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Speaker 6: The way I read this, it also doesn't limit to

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Speaker 6: the reserve reservation. It seems to include other federal land right,

559
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Speaker 6: which could include National monuments, National Parks BLM, and the

560
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Speaker 6: National Forests, all of which exist along the border. The

561
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 6: Trump administration this week also obtained waivers. The waivers wave

562
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Speaker 6: dozens of laws that have been limiting construction in the

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Speaker 6: San Diego sector. I'd like to quote a little bit

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Speaker 6: from that Sierra Club piece that I wrote, because I

565
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 6: think the aspect of the damage done to the sacred

566
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Speaker 6: space of Indigenous people is being completely overlooked by the

567
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Speaker 6: legacy media.

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Speaker 1: In this not.

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Speaker 6: Perhaps surprisingly so, one of the law's waved with a

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Speaker 6: Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. The Native American

571
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 6: Graves Protection and Repatriation Act was enacted by Congress in

572
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Speaker 6: nineteen ninety to protect and safely relocate Native burial sites.

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Speaker 6: When construction takes place on sensitive sites, the tribing question

574
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Speaker 6: should be consulted, and in the event remains or other

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Speaker 6: archaeological objects are found, construction should be altered so as

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Speaker 6: not to disturb the site. In the areas of San

577
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 6: Diego where they are digging, what's called midden soil has

578
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 6: been found mid and soil is soil that contains evidence

579
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Speaker 6: of cremated human remains. Right in this case of Kumii people.

580
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Speaker 6: With this waver, they don't have to comply with NAGPRO

581
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Speaker 6: Native American Graves Protection and Relocation Act, which means that

582
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Speaker 6: they can continue digging through what are literally people's ancestors graveyards.

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Speaker 1: Quote from that twenty twenty story.

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Speaker 6: If this were another country's government destroying a region's holy land,

585
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Speaker 6: the US would go to war and the people would

586
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 6: feel it justified, activist Thomas barbatod Sierra. But it happens

587
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Speaker 6: here at home, in front of us, and we just

588
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 6: turn away.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we sure do a turn away.

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Speaker 3: It seems to be most of what we do these days.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not even what bugs me. It's like, not

592
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 6: so much of folks, you know, not doing anything. I

593
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 6: get that it's overwhelming horrible at the moment. It's that

594
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 6: this doesn't even get reported. Yeah, big outlets with a

595
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 6: massive budget, who are supposed to have a border reporter

596
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 6: who's never fucking set foot on the border, doesn't take

597
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 6: the time to talk to the indigenous people whose land

598
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 6: the border crossed, right, Like, doesn't take the time to

599
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 6: hear their concerns, doesn't take the time to think about

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Speaker 6: when you dig thirty feet into this ground to build

601
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Speaker 6: your border wall, that's twelve thousand years of someone's history.

602
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Speaker 6: How do they feel about that? And like that is

603
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 6: a failing of the legacy media. It has been a

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Speaker 6: failing for a long time, and it will continue to

605
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Speaker 6: be for a long time, and piss.

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Speaker 3: Me off, YEP.

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Speaker 6: I guess to talk more broadly than about this militarization

608
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Speaker 6: of the Roosevelt Reservation and other public land. There's been

609
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 6: some speculation about what this might mean. I don't think

610
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Speaker 6: that you're going to see soldiers pointing their guns at

611
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Speaker 6: the southern border and shooting anyone who comes across. I

612
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 6: do think it's likely a lot of the people who

613
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 6: have been deployed to southern border so far at MPs

614
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Speaker 6: military police right, and it's possible that those MPs will

615
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 6: be able to detain people and potentially charge and with

616
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 6: trespassing on a military installation. That would just be another

617
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 6: string to the bow of their attempt to rapidly deport people,

618
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 6: because they already have many other kind of options through

619
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Speaker 6: executive order of doing that which which.

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Speaker 1: They're a really implying right.

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Speaker 6: It might also make it easier for them to waive

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Speaker 6: some of these other laws and to construct more surveillance equipment.

623
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Speaker 6: In the Ebrogogacia case, which we've covered for several weeks now,

624
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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court has unanimously asked to the United States

625
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 6: government to quote facilitate his return. The US government has

626
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 6: embarked upon a unique definition of the word facilitate, which

627
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 6: it feels like means allowing him to enter the country

628
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Speaker 6: and providing transport if El Salvador releases him. Bukelly refused

629
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Speaker 6: to release him, saying that doing so would be to

630
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 6: quote smuggler terrorists into the United States. Garrison and I

631
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 6: did a whole episode about this yesterday that you can

632
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Speaker 6: listen to. Today, Senator Chris van Holland went to San Salvador, right,

633
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 6: capital of El Salbador if you're not where, he met

634
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Speaker 6: with the Vice president because Bukele is still out the country.

635
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Speaker 6: Van Holdend held the press conference right afterwards that I

636
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Speaker 6: watched for it before we recorded this. In the press conference,

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Speaker 6: Van Holland basically said that he asserted to the Vice

638
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Speaker 6: President of El Salbador there was no evidence nor any

639
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Speaker 6: conviction of being a member of MS thirteen, and he

640
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 6: asked the VP why he was holding mister Abrego Gussier,

641
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 6: and the VP said, because the US is paying us

642
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 6: to home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which yeah, they won't even lie.

644
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's not lying. That's why they're doing it.

645
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Speaker 3: I believe that.

646
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and credit to this Maryland senator, like being the

647
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: only one to do something, and it's not enough, and

648
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 6: it's just one person. There are three hundred people there, right,

649
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Speaker 6: They're not even going for the hundreds of other innocent

650
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 6: people are there. It's one guy, but at least he's

651
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Speaker 6: doing something. The rest of the Democrats collectively, Yeah, I

652
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 6: don't know, like voting for Trump's nominees. He asked to

653
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 6: meet with mister Abrego Garcia and was told that they

654
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Speaker 6: needed more time. He said, I'll come back next week.

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Speaker 6: They said they don't know if they can organize it

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Speaker 6: in a week. He asked if he could call him.

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Speaker 6: They said they didn't know if they could facilitate a call.

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Speaker 6: They said maybe the US embassy would have to be

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Speaker 6: the one that requests that. So he has now requested

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Speaker 6: that the embassy requests that he be allowed to call

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Speaker 6: mister Abrego Garcia and mister Brego Garcia be allowed to

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Speaker 6: speak to his wife. Garreton and I spoke about how

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Speaker 6: like it's not in the interest of government at El

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Speaker 6: salbad Or to have people leave this prison and testify

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Speaker 6: it to the conditions that are in it.

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Speaker 2: No one has ever left this prison that we're aware of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that no one who's been detained there has left.

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Speaker 6: The government wouldn't give him a date when he could

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Speaker 6: meet mister Abergo Garcia or when he would be likely

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Speaker 6: able to make a call.

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Speaker 1: And a separate case, Judge Boseburg.

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Speaker 6: Who we've spoken about before as well, Right, Judge Bothberg,

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Speaker 6: with the judge issues's attentive restraining order on the rendition

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Speaker 6: of people to l Salbador, which the government then ignored,

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Speaker 6: has found probable cause that the administration is in contempt

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Speaker 6: of court.

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Speaker 1: What does this mean?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't mean, despite what you have seen on your timeline,

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Speaker 6: that this will mean these people will be bought home.

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Speaker 6: When they found a contempt, they have two options. Right,

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Speaker 6: they can purge themselves of the contempt, and the way

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Speaker 6: they would do that would be by providing habeas not

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Speaker 6: by bringing all these people home, at least not yet right.

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Speaker 6: Or they could present the people who are responsible and

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Speaker 6: then either an attorney could be appointed by the DOJ

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Speaker 6: to prosecute them, I guess and don't quite know how

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Speaker 6: that works since or the judge himself point and attorney

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Speaker 6: to prosecute them for criminal contempt. Again like at least

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Speaker 6: the guys try and I guess.

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Speaker 3: Like no, I mean, like I got nothing to say

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Speaker 3: against him right now, Like this is what they all

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Speaker 3: should be doing. He went there, he said something, and

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Speaker 3: he's not mincing his words. He's saying that this man

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Speaker 3: was disappeared.

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Speaker 6: No, yeah, and he's he's asserting that, like they need

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Speaker 6: to listen to the court. They are supposed to listen

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Speaker 6: to the court. Judge genez In genez who is a

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Speaker 6: judge on the district court that had its case sent

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Speaker 6: to the Supreme Court for review in the Abrego Garcia incident,

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Speaker 6: also quoted to Merriam Webster Dictionary and said that the

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Speaker 6: government's understanding of the word facility flew in the face

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Speaker 6: of the common understanding.

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Speaker 1: Of the word.

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Speaker 6: Again, like I've seen it asserted, like, oh, legal experts

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Speaker 6: can disagree. Meanwhile, you've got the actual judge in the

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Speaker 6: actual case being like, notice is what the dictionary says.

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Speaker 1: Your definition is ludicrous.

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Speaker 6: I would caution people to be very careful looking at

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Speaker 6: at like blue check legal experts on except com or

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Speaker 6: people on blue Sky. There has been so much misleading

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Speaker 6: stuff about immigration law and the laws in these particular

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Speaker 6: two cases and they are about the resot reservation. Actually,

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Speaker 6: just be really careful where you're getting your information, especially

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Speaker 6: on immigration law from maybe go back and check what

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Speaker 6: that person was doing in twenty twenty three when thousands

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Speaker 6: of migrants were detained in outdoor detention camps. Because I've

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Speaker 6: seen so much misinformation and people, understandably who aren't expert

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Speaker 6: in this, because it's extremely complicated, are likely to be

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Speaker 6: taken advantage of by people who are grifting off what

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Speaker 6: is at a moment when a lot of us are

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Speaker 6: afraid and a lot of us are insertain, to be

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Speaker 6: very careful what you're reading out there.

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Speaker 2: All right, I think that's all for us today on

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Speaker 2: It could Happen Here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's our new rectiled executive dysfunction episode.

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Speaker 1: At Rectile Order.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we're fucking done, go away.

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Speaker 2: We reported the news.

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Speaker 3: We reported the news.

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