Speaker 1: I Am all in Again. Oh let's just you.
Speaker 2: Hi am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one
Speaker 1: eleven productions, iHeartRadio, I Heeart Media, I Heart Podcasts, Season one,
Speaker 1: Episode five, Cinnamon's Wake. Air date November two, two thousand.
Speaker 1: I am joined by part of the Intrepid Crew, the
Speaker 1: one and only Susanne French, who has her own feature
Speaker 1: on I Am All In Again and is having a
Speaker 1: great time with Terrist Sude. Suzanne. Hello, tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about that. How's it going? How are you
Speaker 1: enjoying it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Hey, Scott, it's good to see you again. I haven't
Speaker 4: seen you in forever since we're not.
Speaker 1: Yes, I miss the old Crow.
Speaker 4: But the town meeting is going great. Tara and I
Speaker 4: are having a good time just having a conversation about
Speaker 4: some of the deeper details of the episode. We don't
Speaker 4: have to really dig into the plot that much, so
Speaker 4: we can look at all the other action that's going on.
Speaker 4: So it's going great. We're having a good time, all right.
Speaker 1: Good, Well, the fans seem to be enjoying it, and
Speaker 1: that's a plus anyway. So you want to go ahead
Speaker 1: and read the synopsis and we'll get into it.
Speaker 4: Sure, so you already covered. This is season one, episode five,
Speaker 4: Cinnamon's Weak. It aired November two, two thousand. Rory has
Speaker 4: an awkward run in with Dean on the bus, leaving
Speaker 4: her flustered. Plus, Rory's English teacher boldly asks Lorlai out,
Speaker 4: catching her off guard, and Stars Hollow gathers for an
Speaker 4: unexpectedly heartfelt funeral for Babette's beloved cats.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Michael Cadaman directed. Dan Palatino wrote it. You know,
Speaker 1: we're waiting. Greg Henry is supposed to be a guest
Speaker 1: host today, but he's having Internet issues, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and plunge forward here. Hopefully he can join
Speaker 1: us at some point. So let's start with the Friday
Speaker 1: night dinner and the Nazi joke. Emily socialized with a
Speaker 1: Nazi joke.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: This show, this show, episode five, Suzanne. It seems to
Speaker 1: be you know, finding its legs right, finding its sea
Speaker 1: legs a little bit here, and it's so charming to
Speaker 1: watch because we know, now that I've seen it once
Speaker 1: and you've seen it a million times, we now know
Speaker 1: what it became right, I mean it really did mature
Speaker 1: as the seasons went on, but still, these first five
Speaker 1: episodes are so charming. Yeah, they are so innocent and
Speaker 1: they are so sweet, and it really and the one
Speaker 1: thing that really jumped out at me overall, and then
Speaker 1: we'll get into some of these details, is how the
Speaker 1: Palladinos love to set up this normal, little bit oddball
Speaker 1: world that is so safe and wonderful and charming and adorable.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like a warm hug, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: But they push the envelope on the ethical side, the
Speaker 1: Maxi Medina Lorelei Rory. Right. So that's so they make
Speaker 1: it a little uncomfortable with Miss Patty, they make it
Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable with the sexual innuendo and that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, not the normal thing, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And in other areas like Luke too,
Speaker 1: he's a little too angry at Sukie And it's like
Speaker 1: this is but it gives this fantasy town a sense
Speaker 1: of of realness that it's real, do you think but interesting?
Speaker 4: It definitely. It's it's like a warm, kind of comforting setting,
Speaker 4: but it has an edge. So yeah, so it like
Speaker 4: like you're saying, it kind of like takes you to
Speaker 4: a to a different place. Yeah, so it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's just good writing. It's always But.
Speaker 1: Isn't it Isn't it wonderful seeing uh the you know,
Speaker 1: one of the first couple of Friday Night Dinners and
Speaker 1: how the tension is between mother and daughter and and
Speaker 1: then poor Rory has to to witness this and be
Speaker 1: exposed to this, and then you know, ends up on
Speaker 1: Emily's side because you know, Emily's smart, and she's quick,
Speaker 1: and she's clever, and she got Laurel. I right, she got,
Speaker 1: she got she shut her out exactly, she used she
Speaker 1: used uh, Laurel's own tactics against her and ended up
Speaker 1: shutting her down a Friday night dinner. But now we're
Speaker 1: seeing the beginnings of this. Uh you know this, this
Speaker 1: this classic Friday Night Dinners and you could you can
Speaker 1: make an entire spin off show about and just call
Speaker 1: it Friday Night Dinner Dinner with Emily and Richard. Right,
Speaker 1: but they discussed there he is. Greg Henry is joining
Speaker 1: us ladies and gentlemen, round of applause for the one
Speaker 1: and only Greg Henry. Hi, Greg, thanks.
Speaker 2: For yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Susan Suzanna French is joining us here and we're getting
Speaker 1: into the first scenes. So did you did you get
Speaker 1: a chance to watch the episode? Greg? Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: tell us your tell us your initial thoughts at these
Speaker 1: uh episode five Cinnamon's Wake. You know this, uh, this
Speaker 1: new kind of sensational warm show getting its sea legs,
Speaker 1: and here we are at the beginnings of this. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it hasn't quite matured yet as a show, but
Speaker 1: you can see the DNA is quite quite good.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, spectacular. I mean it's just uh.
Speaker 3: An entirely complete world and it has this wonderful, funny
Speaker 3: vision that everybody is in the same everybody's in the
Speaker 3: same show.
Speaker 2: You know, which sometimes that's hard to do in shows.
Speaker 3: And it's like, uh, it's it's so wonderful and everybody's
Speaker 3: just so so good in their parts. I just laughed
Speaker 3: out loud, spit take laughed a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always those zingers and very moving. I thought
Speaker 1: too that, I mean, how do you how do you
Speaker 1: shed a tear in the morning? And Halifax Nova Scotia
Speaker 1: over a dead cat, but they managed.
Speaker 2: I was hearing you are somewhere, You're in Halifax.
Speaker 1: I'm in Halifax, and I'm sitting up here, like, you know,
Speaker 1: is that a tear forming in the in the right
Speaker 1: eye and touching?
Speaker 2: It's very touching.
Speaker 1: Uh it's because you know, because for me, it's it's
Speaker 1: Sally Struthers, right, it's it's a situation, but it's Sally
Speaker 1: Struthers lends it such credibility, and it's it's just she's
Speaker 1: such a Yes, she's such she wears her heart on
Speaker 1: her sleeve. She's so funny. She throws a line away
Speaker 1: like we got copons, you know, it's like that's why
Speaker 1: they had the clams and else pancake. It's just she's
Speaker 1: just such a master. Anyway, so we're doing the Friday
Speaker 1: night dinner scene and we know what these Friday night
Speaker 1: dinners turned into. They turned into these epic affairs that
Speaker 1: all the fans look forward to. And Susan helped me out.
Speaker 1: Are they every single episode? Do we see a Friday
Speaker 1: night dinner every single episode? Or they skip some? I
Speaker 1: think there's.
Speaker 4: There's some episodes where the timeframe we actually get to
Speaker 4: Friday night dinners, but there are some that we don't
Speaker 4: get one at all. I think I think probably most
Speaker 4: episodes have one but not every single one.
Speaker 1: Right, right, and again pushing the envelope with using a
Speaker 1: Nazi joke to socialize at the at the at the
Speaker 1: Friday night dinner. Again, we were talking about putting how
Speaker 1: the show pushes the envelope ethically and taste wise, but
Speaker 1: just a little bit not not It doesn't stretch it
Speaker 1: too far. It always kind of defaults back to this warm,
Speaker 1: odd ball place filled with these wonderful people who It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm watching a show right now, and Greg, I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, but I'm not the demo for this show.
Speaker 1: I was on it, but I'm not. I'm not watching
Speaker 1: this show. And it's like I'm watching the show right now.
Speaker 1: That's it's pretty wonderful vibe. It's created because the entire
Speaker 1: town showed up at the wake for a dead cat.
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to live in a town like that, right,
Speaker 1: I mean after you get to be a certain age, right.
Speaker 3: She says, our town is so weird, and she says,
Speaker 3: thank God, right.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, So now we're now we're at the
Speaker 1: Lorelei's house and she's a little cranky and she's supposed
Speaker 1: to be baking for the Chilton Bake sale, Lane is
Speaker 1: busting down.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: In the Gilmore Girls living room before school the time
Speaker 1: Bomb by Ransid, we see that iconic shot that they
Speaker 1: use in the credit sequence with Lrori's bedroom door opening
Speaker 1: and Lane rocking out. We see I Bet and Maury
Speaker 1: walking Cinema's an ill. Uh. What do you say? Dyspeptic?
Speaker 1: Cinnamon was dyspeptic? Isn't walking very well? Had some clams
Speaker 1: at Al's pancake where all everybody's not feeling good. And
Speaker 1: then Rory waits for the bus and Dean spots are
Speaker 1: uh and and then sits on the bus behind it.
Speaker 1: What did you think of that? Guys? You know, Dean
Speaker 1: was coming off like such the mysterious cool guy right
Speaker 1: up to this point and then he just sort of
Speaker 1: like jumps on the bus and what do you I
Speaker 1: think he was a little was she a little annoyed
Speaker 1: or was she playing it like she was she just
Speaker 1: sort of froze up because she likes the guy.
Speaker 4: She seemed a little disturbed by it. Yeah, she did, right,
Speaker 4: But I thought it was cute, Like I didn't think
Speaker 4: it was creepy or anything like that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: he got on and said hi, and then he got
Speaker 4: off the next stop. I didn't. I didn't have a
Speaker 4: problem with it, but she seemed a little like, what
Speaker 4: are you doing? Like startled by it?
Speaker 1: Right right? And at this point we know that this
Speaker 1: is this is a show that is establishing these generations.
Speaker 1: It's Emily, it's it's Laurel I, it's Rory. This is
Speaker 1: where these we're going to inhabit these worlds, and they're
Speaker 1: you know, Laurel I is going to inhabit every world
Speaker 1: in the show. Rory's going to inhabit a lot of
Speaker 1: the worlds. Emily is going to stay in her own world,
Speaker 1: and when she comes into stars Hollow, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's like another planet for her. But we're establishing now
Speaker 1: what this whole journey is about, and it's about, you know,
Speaker 1: at this point, girls meeting boys and being asked out
Speaker 1: and Greg, I remember the first time around, first go round,
Speaker 1: when we three years ago, when we broke down this episode,
Speaker 1: I had a big problem with Max Medina and I
Speaker 1: had a big problem with Laura Lei actually agreeing to
Speaker 1: date him. What are your initial thoughts about that whole narrative.
Speaker 2: Well, your thoughts might have been colored by the we've
Speaker 2: been playing the competition, you know, but.
Speaker 3: What it is it is an interesting dilemma, you know
Speaker 3: in terms of a teacher and and and a student
Speaker 3: and uh and.
Speaker 2: Then the parents of that student. That's that is interesting.
Speaker 3: And I thought that they I thought that they played
Speaker 3: it really nicely in terms of they they they dragged
Speaker 3: it out and they they made her.
Speaker 2: Meeting of it very official. But then.
Speaker 3: The discovery during the during during Cinnamon's weight that then
Speaker 3: triggers actually being truthful about it and upfront about it
Speaker 3: or or not withholding as she said, not withholding information.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I thought it was I thought it was good because
Speaker 3: it pointed out that those kind of things are like
Speaker 3: they're they're difficult to have, but they there must be
Speaker 3: had those conversations and that uh.
Speaker 2: And that these this is this is a very loving and.
Speaker 3: Smart uh mother daughter and and I thought it played well.
Speaker 1: I I like mm hmm second time around. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Max I I you know, I feel him.
Speaker 1: How can you blame him? Right? I mean, you've got
Speaker 1: a woman like that and he's just gaga for her.
Speaker 1: Just wow, she's beautiful, she's smart, she's funny, she's her
Speaker 1: own person. There's a real strength coming out of her.
Speaker 1: At the same time, there's this irresistible vulnerability and flashing
Speaker 1: those eyes at him, and it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: how you gonna how are you gonna not ask her
Speaker 1: out right? And he's he's crossing a line and and
Speaker 1: she's crossing a line. And but such such a great
Speaker 1: love affair is made of the same stuff, right, That's
Speaker 1: that's got a lot of potential. There a lot of potential.
Speaker 4: One thing I noticed in this rewatch that I haven't
Speaker 4: noticed previously is the parallel between Max being so persistent
Speaker 4: and she's resisting, resisting, resis and then she finally caves in.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of season seven when she's in Paris
Speaker 4: with Christopher and he's like, marry me, marry me, marry me.
Speaker 4: She's like, no, no, we can't, blah blah, and then
Speaker 4: she at the end she caves in and ends up
Speaker 4: Mary and Christopher. So I actually liked it less this
Speaker 4: time than on previous watches because I did think Max
Speaker 4: was being a little pushy, and I kind of felt
Speaker 4: bad for Rory because she's struggling at this school. She
Speaker 4: kind of feels like everybody's against her, and now her
Speaker 4: mom is going to date her teacher and she was
Speaker 4: completely blindsided by it. I felt a little bad.
Speaker 1: For Rory, but I bought into the max vibe because
Speaker 1: it's a guy who I mean, he wanted to marry her.
Speaker 1: Did you get that sense like I have found somebody
Speaker 1: very very special? And I think maybe that was the
Speaker 1: point of of that storyline, is like this is how
Speaker 1: special she is. Where this guy goes this nut's over
Speaker 1: her and they're both going to cross these lines, and
Speaker 1: you know, Ry's just gonna have to deal with it
Speaker 1: because she's going to get it from both sides. She's
Speaker 1: going to get it at school and she's going to
Speaker 1: get it at home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not really fair to her.
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not, but it does speak of the
Speaker 1: level of attraction between these two. So I'm kind of
Speaker 1: down with it now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was definite attraction there, for sure. I just
Speaker 4: felt like they could have not acted on it while.
Speaker 2: He is her teacher.
Speaker 4: I felt bad for her at the end when when
Speaker 4: Laura was putting all of it on Rory and saying, well,
Speaker 4: I won't date him if you don't want me to,
Speaker 4: Like that wasn't really fair to put that on Rory's
Speaker 4: shoulders because what she's supposed to say, like she didn't
Speaker 4: want her mom to be unhappy. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: I just saw it differently this time around than I
Speaker 4: have in the past.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they were of like roommates and contemporaries,
Speaker 1: and it's like, look, I'm going to date him. I
Speaker 1: know you like him, but I'm going to date him first.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It was almost on that level, and it really blurred
Speaker 1: the lines between mother and daughter.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Laurela, I was definitely not thinking on a
Speaker 4: parental level.
Speaker 1: Right, Still charming, uh, still still kind of dig Max Medina.
Speaker 1: You know, I like it. I know it's ethically strained
Speaker 1: and it's it did stress me out, the touching of
Speaker 1: the elbow and the whole thing. But he was really
Speaker 1: rubbing her arm. Man, he was going for that arm.
Speaker 2: The arm rub. It kind of got to me too.
Speaker 2: You're right, I will say it was a little forward.
Speaker 2: It was kind of an aggressive choice in that particular setting.
Speaker 2: But but he.
Speaker 1: Just, man, he wanted to close that deal, and.
Speaker 2: He was like he wanted to close it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he couldn't stop himself. He was just like, I
Speaker 1: want you and I want to date you and this
Speaker 1: is messed up, and I know it. It's going to
Speaker 1: mess up your daughter maybe, But Jane, we're gonna be together.
Speaker 1: We're all going to be together.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I love your babe, and let's do this. I don't know,
Speaker 1: all right. Then the French group comes into the end
Speaker 1: and Michelle hysterically tells them with a French accent, a
Speaker 1: very thick French accent, that he's from Texas, and he
Speaker 1: refuses to talk to them.
Speaker 4: He never disappoints.
Speaker 1: I swear he really does. He really does. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: early episodes, he's got some of the best Michelle stuff
Speaker 1: there is in the whole library of episodes. And now
Speaker 1: we see, you know, larelized wacky world inside that independence end,
Speaker 1: and we want to keep going back. I like how
Speaker 1: they just give us little tastes of it, keep us
Speaker 1: wanting more. Shows very good at doing that. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's go to the bake sale, Susanne, and why don't
Speaker 1: you take over the section and take us through the
Speaker 1: bake sale?
Speaker 4: Okay, So I liked the bake sale. I thought that
Speaker 4: was a fun scene. It was a shot at Greystone,
Speaker 4: which which they used for Chiltern. Suki has I thought
Speaker 4: it was the perfect idea to have Suki make all
Speaker 4: the baked goods because Lorela is not going to make
Speaker 4: anything that is going to meet the standards of this
Speaker 4: chiltin crowd, Right, so Suki's got you know, her taste,
Speaker 4: sensations and all this. It was perfect. And then but
Speaker 4: then she lights the table on fire, so it was
Speaker 4: it was just it was just classic Suki. I thought,
Speaker 4: you know, she's they established her as accident prona, kind
Speaker 4: of clumsy, and uh it was. It was perfectly in
Speaker 4: character for her. So I enjoyed that. And then we
Speaker 4: see Max. This is where we get the for all
Speaker 4: the fans, this is the iconic line, do you like
Speaker 4: coffee only with my oxygen? This was the scene was
Speaker 4: the source of that line. So that was fun to
Speaker 4: see that. And then you know, Max says that there's
Speaker 4: nothing in the Chiltern rules that prohibits a teacher from
Speaker 4: dating a parent, which it's hard to believe that, they're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to believe. Yeah, but parents as paying
Speaker 1: what fifty sixty dollars a year? Yeah, would you would
Speaker 1: think that it's a clause right, right? Paperwork? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is where he starts the hard court
Speaker 4: Press about Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, Greg, I want to talk about Lauren Graham.
Speaker 1: I'm want to talk about her skill set, and ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen listen to me. And Greg Henry is one
Speaker 1: of the great talents over the past I don't know,
Speaker 1: forty years working in film and television. And the first
Speaker 1: time I be became aware of Greg Henry because I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about Lauren's skill set. But I
Speaker 1: want to set you up because when I became aware
Speaker 1: of you for the first time, uh, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know who you were, and I hadn't seen you in
Speaker 1: anything prior. But you weren't Scarface with al Pacino and
Speaker 1: you did a scene out you right, right, but okay,
Speaker 1: but that's my point. My point is, And you were
Speaker 1: from the State Department, right, You were representing the State Department.
Speaker 1: You were in the the Colombian drug lords living room.
Speaker 1: Al Pacino was in big trouble. He needed help and
Speaker 1: he was gonna he flew to Columbia to get to
Speaker 1: get help. And you were introduced to Tony Montana. And
Speaker 1: this is what was your character's name in in Scarface.
Speaker 2: Smith, mister Smith from Washington, right.
Speaker 1: And this is mister Smith from from Washington. They say
Speaker 1: State Department from Washington.
Speaker 2: They just say from Washington. I don't think from Washington.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. I don't think you had a line,
Speaker 1: but I'll never forget a the suit you were wearing,
Speaker 1: the way you shook al Pacino's hand, and the way
Speaker 1: you looked at him, and it was like, wow, that's
Speaker 1: an actor.
Speaker 2: I did have.
Speaker 1: Oh did you?
Speaker 2: The line was how do you do mister Montana? Right there?
Speaker 1: Yes, how do you do mister? But it was just
Speaker 1: just so impactful. And I love when I see actors
Speaker 1: know the you know, the old saying there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as a small role. There are only small actors.
Speaker 1: You took that role, owned it, and man it was.
Speaker 1: It was powerful, and it always every time I see
Speaker 1: that film, and I you know, I watched it a
Speaker 1: couple times a year because it's such a great film,
Speaker 1: and you like to revisit these great films. Always look
Speaker 1: forward to that scene. And I said, wait here comes
Speaker 1: Greg Henry. He's gonna shake his hand, he's gonna shake
Speaker 1: his hairs. Look at that. So just you have to
Speaker 1: have real experience and a real skill set to take
Speaker 1: something seemingly so minuscule in a film. But tell a
Speaker 1: story with your body, and tell a story with your mind.
Speaker 1: And that's what you did, and that's what you do
Speaker 1: so well. Tell us about Lauren Graham and how great
Speaker 1: a comedic and dramatic actors she is a thing she
Speaker 1: was doing with the scenes with Maxi Medina.
Speaker 2: Well, she's uh, she's quite magical. She lives.
Speaker 3: She she is always in the moment. Everything is like
Speaker 3: coming right coming right from her being, right from where
Speaker 3: she's sitting there and from her understanding of of of
Speaker 3: Laura Lai and uh and and and that's why it
Speaker 3: appears so effortless. But it's not easy. But but but
Speaker 3: she uh, she.
Speaker 2: Just allows herself.
Speaker 3: And and she allows herself these impulses, and the impulses
Speaker 3: are what are so surprising. The impulses are what surprising
Speaker 3: in the throw or the or the delivery or the
Speaker 3: or the intent, you know. And she's very comfortable in
Speaker 3: her knowledge of her whole world, which is uh, which
Speaker 3: also kind of informs everything.
Speaker 2: And it's uh. And she just has a great sense
Speaker 2: of humor too.
Speaker 3: She's very you know, very on top of it in
Speaker 3: terms of how she plays everything as every as really
Speaker 3: everyone is in this show.
Speaker 2: But and I.
Speaker 6: Uh and and you're right that it that it you
Speaker 6: know that you can find yourself in in Halifax in
Speaker 6: the morning missing up that it's because it's because it's
Speaker 6: it's so real, because it's so just from the being uh.
Speaker 3: You know, just just you know, a slight look, a
Speaker 3: slight you know, lift of a word, you know, those.
Speaker 2: Things surprise you. And and the surprising things are makes
Speaker 2: this stuff happen in the eyes.
Speaker 1: I think interesting how they shoot it too. I think
Speaker 1: they really gave us a gift by not being obsessed
Speaker 1: with you know, too much coverage and too many close
Speaker 1: ups and you know, you know, dirty over the shoulder
Speaker 1: close ups and then totally clean close ups and we're
Speaker 1: going to punch in even further and further and further,
Speaker 1: you know, and it just becomes so restricted. And how
Speaker 1: this is a little looser, you know, it's in people
Speaker 1: are able to sort of you're able to see people
Speaker 1: living and acting together in the scenes more in this show,
Speaker 1: so it almost seems like it's it's it's more real life. Greg. Also,
Speaker 1: when you're a lot of fans wanted to know when
Speaker 1: you're preparing your scene work for Mitcham Huntsberger. Are you
Speaker 1: Are you loving it as much as I think you
Speaker 1: are because you get to say that stuff and be
Speaker 1: that guy? And are you having as much fun as
Speaker 1: I think you are when you're actually acting it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mitcham was tremendous fun. It was just great words
Speaker 3: and a great character and.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, and.
Speaker 3: I was I was just sort of like I just
Speaker 3: went on a thing in Connecticut for the Gilmour Girls
Speaker 3: and we sort of the so that we talked about
Speaker 3: you know that that you don't Got it line, which
Speaker 3: of course is you know, there was like there I
Speaker 3: would get like glares from women in the in the
Speaker 3: grocery store, you know, and I'm like, you know, it
Speaker 3: must be one of those violent killers I play that
Speaker 3: they hate.
Speaker 2: No, no, Mitchellsburger.
Speaker 3: And uh so, but we got into that a little bit,
Speaker 3: and and you know, I think Mitcham was you know,
Speaker 3: That's that's the great thing about the writing is that
Speaker 3: it's from a very very real place.
Speaker 2: There's like all kinds of just tough love being offered there.
Speaker 2: You know. Was it colored a little bit, you know
Speaker 2: with his opinion, sure, but but it was a lot
Speaker 2: of fun.
Speaker 3: And and I rewatched sort of the episodes, and and
Speaker 3: I remember the scene and with with Ed Herman, which
Speaker 3: was which was a lot of fun. And and I
Speaker 3: believe that's that's kind of the coldest that Mitcham ever
Speaker 3: gets is in that scene with Ed in the in
Speaker 3: the in the restroom, he's he's funny, he's kind of charming,
Speaker 3: but he's you see him like bring kind of the
Speaker 3: power hammer down, you know. And and that was an
Speaker 3: interesting flavor too.
Speaker 2: But the main thing is the writing. The writing is just,
Speaker 2: you know, so rich, it's so wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Yeah, I'll never forget that scene. I'll
Speaker 1: never stop and enjoining, you know, speeding up that particular
Speaker 1: episode you were in when you came and and you
Speaker 1: and uh and Maddie had had a real, real, real
Speaker 1: shouting match with each other.
Speaker 2: I was to toe, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I was. I was just as good as it gets.
Speaker 1: I was just like and it's when I that scene
Speaker 1: made me realize. I mean, I always knew how good
Speaker 1: you were, but that scene made me realize how good
Speaker 1: Maddie is. Yeah, boy man, it was like, how do
Speaker 1: you stand toe to toe with Greg Henry and just
Speaker 1: keep delivering shots. It's just it's because you're fast, man,
Speaker 1: you're on it. And if you're not on it, man,
Speaker 1: Greg Henry is going to eat your lunch. You're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to keep up. It's just.
Speaker 2: Very, very wonderful, wonderful guy too.
Speaker 1: I like him, Yes, great guy. Absolutely, he's a friend
Speaker 1: of the show. He's been on a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I run into you know, I run into him once
Speaker 1: in a while at conventions. It's always good to see him.
Speaker 1: So we're uh walking through Stars Hollow Dosie's market. Now
Speaker 1: we go inside. Miss Patty is there, and now we
Speaker 1: see Kirk. Susanne take us to Kirk and miss Miss
Speaker 1: Patty encounter.
Speaker 4: This is an interesting scene because Kirk and Miss Patty
Speaker 4: don't seem to know each other, which as the as
Speaker 4: the series progresses, we know that they've both lived in
Speaker 4: Stars Hollow forever. Miss Patty even makes some comment about it,
Speaker 4: you know, having Kirk in a class when he was
Speaker 4: a child. So it's a little bit of that kind
Speaker 4: of early on where we're trying to settle all the
Speaker 4: characters and they haven't quite figured out where everybody fits
Speaker 4: yet because it's not consistent. Later in the show that
Speaker 4: the two of them are strangers to each other, but
Speaker 4: just some funny, you know, double entendra suggestive banter about
Speaker 4: putting things in their mouths, and it's a funny scene.
Speaker 4: Like it was. It's a great scene when the plums
Speaker 4: and Miss Patty's talking to Rory and Rory's like looking
Speaker 4: really uncomfortable. It's just classic town kind of stuff. We've
Speaker 4: talked on this podcast before about how the town itself
Speaker 4: is a character and and you know all of these
Speaker 4: crazy people that live there and they all have their
Speaker 4: their individual quirks. In this scene, I think is a
Speaker 4: perfect embodiment of that. And Rory shows up at the
Speaker 4: cashier with a head of lettuce and a mouse trap
Speaker 4: and a dollar like it's just it's just it's just
Speaker 4: a great scene. I it's I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no a maoutter. How bizarre they are. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to bet and Maury. They're full of heart
Speaker 1: and soul. And Miss Patty if there's all this sexual
Speaker 1: sexual innuendo that you may make some people uncomfortable or
Speaker 1: deem inappropriate, she's full of heart and soul right now.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, she loves everybody. Everybody
Speaker 1: loves her, but everybody has their quirks and they're accepted
Speaker 1: for it. So it's it's it's it's a nice feeling.
Speaker 1: It's a nice place. There's real freedom in there.
Speaker 4: One thing that that we noted too, is that we've
Speaker 4: established Doci's Market as kind of a central place in
Speaker 4: the town. But we haven't even met Taylor yet. Taylor,
Speaker 4: we haven't wait a long until episode like seven or eight.
Speaker 1: I think, Oh, is that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's interesting that we were more familiar with
Speaker 4: the market itself than we are with Taylor yet at the.
Speaker 1: Great Michael Winters, Yes, so we'll see him soon. Good Greg.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the coffee date when Max
Speaker 1: Medina and Laurel I meet after her college course business course?
Speaker 1: What you what do you think of that? This is
Speaker 1: the arm rubbing?
Speaker 2: We already referred to this that I did.
Speaker 3: I did find the arm choice a little a little pressing, uh,
Speaker 3: kind of kind of bold, kind of very but but
Speaker 3: I did like that they set it up there, that
Speaker 3: it was a coffee date. And she says, you know,
Speaker 3: I just happened to be there at four four twelve
Speaker 3: every day or whatever, and and I thought that that
Speaker 3: was charming. But you see, but the way they play together,
Speaker 3: uh uh, Scott Moore is very you know, it's got
Speaker 3: that sparkle, it's got that it's got that that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know that there's like real, real juice here, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh and I thought that it and I thought
Speaker 2: that it played played well, you know the arm thing.
Speaker 2: I thought, well, I don't I see, I didn't know
Speaker 2: how how it was going to end at the end,
Speaker 2: you know, So there was a little bit of suspense there.
Speaker 3: For me with with when he was going for the army, like, oh,
Speaker 3: that might be she might just say, nope, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm giving my arm back. But but uh, but it
Speaker 3: turned out to be the opposite of that. That it's
Speaker 3: like kind of a boulder choice and and and uh
Speaker 3: that makes us go that.
Speaker 1: Direction because he certainly you know. And she liked it.
Speaker 1: She looked at down, She looked down and smiled, and
Speaker 1: she liked it like a guy taking charge here, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, ash, she said, you know, it's it's been
Speaker 1: a long time since she's dated somebody, seriously, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And uh, anyway, yeah, I I it's
Speaker 1: when I I found my love for Max Medina. You
Speaker 1: gotta respect the guy who can just throw it down
Speaker 1: like that and then match witzwe her like that and
Speaker 1: tongue tire and then she was like, all right, here's
Speaker 1: a card I'm getting out of here. Call me.
Speaker 3: So great into that too is like round one and
Speaker 3: you're already you know that.
Speaker 1: They both right compelling, compelling, And then that guy sits
Speaker 1: down in the middle of the guy with that giant
Speaker 1: face a face a face yeah. I mean, the guy
Speaker 1: didn't have to say a word. It was hysterical. And
Speaker 1: then he got the point and left, all right, we're going,
Speaker 1: let's go to the diner. Susan takes Susan takes to
Speaker 1: the diner, Luke's Diner.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Luke's Diner. I loved the banter between Suki
Speaker 4: and Luke in this scene, they're sitting at the counter.
Speaker 4: There's an issue with there's no onions on the burger,
Speaker 4: and so Suki takes it upon herself to doctor up
Speaker 4: everyone's food that's that's sitting there at the bar, which
Speaker 4: Luke does not take kindly to, and the makes that
Speaker 4: comment you bring her in here again, I want her
Speaker 4: on a leash. That was a good lie and then
Speaker 4: at the at the end of the scene is when
Speaker 4: Rory comes in to say that something happened to Cinnamon.
Speaker 4: So it kind of ends on a down or note.
Speaker 4: But I thought it was a funny scene. Lorel is
Speaker 4: trying to kind of think through the scenario and what
Speaker 4: does she want to do with Max and what does
Speaker 4: she not want to do with Max? And it was
Speaker 4: a good scene.
Speaker 1: The one thing that surprised me about that scene was
Speaker 1: Luke had a funny line in the beginning of it
Speaker 1: when they're kind of oddball conversation that they were not
Speaker 1: connecting on and Suki didn't get and look, just chimes
Speaker 1: and how do you guys get any work done? I mean,
Speaker 1: when the Palladinos throw you a good line, man, you
Speaker 1: just hope you don't blow it right. It just you
Speaker 1: hope you hit it right.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: Such a gift they give you, such gifts.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he was the guy at the counter that
Speaker 4: Lorla I was saying, well, you know, it would be
Speaker 4: nice to get some, you know, and then like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, and the guy next to him is like,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: The one that Michelle referred to it the way, because yo,
Speaker 1: hehaw Man from the same guy. Okay, so now we
Speaker 1: are actually at bet Morey's house. Cinnamon's gone, ma he
Speaker 1: thinks it was the clams. I thought this was one
Speaker 1: of the more comical and touching scenes with the description
Speaker 1: of the cat sliding across on the west floor. Oh man, Greg, God, Greg,
Speaker 1: take take this one. Take this one.
Speaker 7: Well, Sally stra and she says she came him a
Speaker 7: nudge and then a further nudge, and I just waxed
Speaker 7: the floors and he went sliding.
Speaker 2: The cross hit the lamp and that's.
Speaker 1: What I knew.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I howled it down. I watched it twice.
Speaker 8: I I like, I gotta roll it back and watch
Speaker 8: it again. And it was just as funny. Oh god,
Speaker 8: oh Mercy, that was funny.
Speaker 1: And you know Sally magic. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's magic.
Speaker 1: She's magic.
Speaker 3: Well, then when it goes into the you know, when
Speaker 3: she's going through all the medications that she gave the cat,
Speaker 3: you know, each one, you know, and then finding the
Speaker 3: one that's for her, it's like, it's it's as you
Speaker 3: say about her earlier. I mean, it's it's it's quite comical,
Speaker 3: but it's also it's just it's just touching you know.
Speaker 1: That woman can make you laugh and cry at the
Speaker 1: same time. Yes, that is rare. She's I don't know,
Speaker 1: Sally Struthers to me is everything that's right about acting.
Speaker 1: And even even even the nurse that came or the
Speaker 1: medical person who came to take the cat away, or
Speaker 1: you know, even she has gets a great line. You know,
Speaker 1: the cat was two hundred and sixty years old in
Speaker 1: human years, so you know, I mean, it's just the
Speaker 1: Palatinas are very generous. They probably have so much wit
Speaker 1: and so much comedy inside them. They you know, imagine
Speaker 1: being with them for a day. And I was, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of great. All right, Suzanne, take us through
Speaker 1: the wake. Now we are at the entitled scene.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, the wake was such a great scene with
Speaker 4: all of the town coming together for this cat, and
Speaker 4: it's in this crazy house with the low ceilings and
Speaker 4: the pull away. It just was so quirky. And the
Speaker 4: Suki there's more Suki and Luke Banner was setting up
Speaker 4: the food and you know, Suki's describing exactly how everything's
Speaker 4: going to be and Luke's just like digging it in.
Speaker 1: But what about the visual when they both get stuck
Speaker 1: in the door competing. That was classic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just everything about this scene I loved. And
Speaker 4: you know, Rory was all flustered by Dan and she
Speaker 4: tells Laura, I go to Chilton now, like she's she's
Speaker 4: just so gobsmacked by running into Dean. And then there's
Speaker 4: you know, funny banter between Kirk and Miss Patty.
Speaker 1: He apologizes, yeah.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he apologizes for because he didn't know she
Speaker 4: was the Miss Patty. And then we have at the
Speaker 4: same part the scene where they're doing the dishes, and
Speaker 4: like you were saying, Scott, this is where she's funny
Speaker 4: and sad at the same time. She cracks that joke
Speaker 4: about Lorla's ass, like just hilarious, and then she's crying
Speaker 4: in the next sentence, like it just it was great.
Speaker 1: She's a master. She's just a master.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no one else that I can think of
Speaker 4: that could have played that role. She just is amazing.
Speaker 1: But believe it or not, they are out there. There's
Speaker 1: there's actresses out there you've never heard of that do that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, No, there's all kinds of these brilliant
Speaker 1: theater actresses that you just you know, they're not famous,
Speaker 1: but they're so good. Right, you know, and you see
Speaker 1: them if you go to regional theater, you see them.
Speaker 4: That's the thing with acting, Like I'm I'm not an actress.
Speaker 4: I'm not in the entertainment industry aside from being on
Speaker 4: this podcast. But I always think that there's so much
Speaker 4: talent out there, and it's it's sometimes it just comes
Speaker 4: down to lock. Like somebody got a lucky break and
Speaker 4: someone else doesn't. Doesn't mean that they're less talented. It
Speaker 4: just means that they didn't get that chance.
Speaker 1: It just it just shows you how specific casting can be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the great shows, the memorable shows, you know, the
Speaker 1: historic shows, the casting is so ultraspecific. You can be
Speaker 1: you know, ninety nine point nine nine percent perfect for
Speaker 1: the role, but then a guy walks in who's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. You know. It's it's that subtle. I think
Speaker 1: that's what the show accomplishes. So well, anyway, continue I no.
Speaker 4: So then also the Wake is where Rory finally kind
Speaker 4: of connects with Dean because he's going to walk away
Speaker 4: right He's like, I'm sorry, I bugged you. I can
Speaker 4: see you're not interested. I'll leave you alone, and she's
Speaker 4: like wait no, like she finally overcomes her shyness and
Speaker 4: is able to connect with him and express that she's
Speaker 4: interested too, So that obviously going to set the tone
Speaker 4: for the whole rest of the season. And then kind
Speaker 4: of wraps up with loral I seeing Max on the
Speaker 4: front porch and she's like, oh crap, that was tonight.
Speaker 4: And so then we have the Laurel I Rory conversation.
Speaker 4: You know, Rory's like, when were you going to tell
Speaker 4: me this? Which was a valid point. So yeah, this
Speaker 4: whole weake scene was really the whole crux of the episode.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the ending scene with uh Lorale sort of
Speaker 1: almost pleading with her daughter for permission to date Max.
Speaker 1: I think very clever device because if and very risky, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, talk about taking a chance as artists as
Speaker 1: writers to pull this off, right, because it's on its face,
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable to see this conversation, but it opens up
Speaker 1: a whole sea of possibilities for where the show can
Speaker 1: go and what's acceptable because I think they pushed the
Speaker 1: envelope really far on this one, but it worked. It
Speaker 1: just kind of works because they just love each other
Speaker 1: so much. We are trained as an audience to expect
Speaker 1: that this folks, This ain't your traditional mother daughter relationships.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a little different experience for y'all, right,
Speaker 1: and that's what we get in this conversation. And this
Speaker 1: is you know, possible but probable, probable but not possible. No,
Speaker 1: it is, it's happening, and there we have it. So
Speaker 1: they're laying it all out for us and saying this
Speaker 1: is a little different and accept it or not, but
Speaker 1: this is where we're going with this bravely forward.
Speaker 4: I think to some extent that's kind of a normal
Speaker 4: progression because we know that when Rory was younger, Rory
Speaker 4: and Lorelai were like best buds, they were pals. They
Speaker 4: weren't so much mother and daughter. But now Rory is
Speaker 4: a teenager, she's starting to, you know, have romantic feelings
Speaker 4: for a boy. Laurela's having romantic feelings like So now
Speaker 4: we're kind of moving into a more adult phase. And
Speaker 4: now they have to negotiate that transition from maybe not
Speaker 4: a transition, but the parallel existence of a friend friendship
Speaker 4: as well as a parent child relationship. It's kind of
Speaker 4: that setting up that conflict and how are they going
Speaker 4: to get through that?
Speaker 1: You know, what you should have your own podcast. Oh
Speaker 1: you do, Sorry, Greg. When you were a kid, were
Speaker 1: you a Dean? Were you were you a Jess Or
Speaker 1: were you a Matt or neither? Neither?
Speaker 2: Neither?
Speaker 3: Yeah, really really neither.
Speaker 1: Were you a Maxi Medina?
Speaker 2: I was definitely not a Max Medina. I never off
Speaker 2: that arm.
Speaker 1: Were you Were you a Luke Danes?
Speaker 3: You know, I have limited sort of knowledge in terms
Speaker 3: of the team Luke Tine Dean thing.
Speaker 2: And so I'm going to go that I was closer.
Speaker 3: With with Maddie Alphabet. You know, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think because he's you know, I was a very sort
Speaker 3: of proper kind of kid, and and I think that
Speaker 3: that is what he is.
Speaker 2: We laid or learned, maybe not as proper as we
Speaker 2: once knew, I think.
Speaker 3: But so I think that's and and uh and uh
Speaker 3: you know the bus.
Speaker 2: The bus move. Also it's a very bold move, the
Speaker 2: bus move and the r move.
Speaker 3: These guys are like, you know, they're coming in and uh,
Speaker 3: taking chances.
Speaker 2: So I don't think. I think I was probably more Maddy.
Speaker 4: Before we go, I have a question for Greg. So
Speaker 4: another element of our podcast is that we have two
Speaker 4: other hosts that are rewatching Bunheads.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which, of course you.
Speaker 4: Were in Bunheads and the character of Rico is so
Speaker 4: different from mitcham Huntsberger that one of our hosts, Danielle,
Speaker 4: didn't even realize it was you playing the role until
Speaker 4: someone told her. So I just wanted to see, Like,
Speaker 4: having now worked on two different Amy Sherman Palladino shows,
Speaker 4: and Bunheads has a lot of similar Gilmore elements, you know,
Speaker 4: strong female relationships, quirky town, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: What was it like being on both of those sets?
Speaker 4: Was it was it a similar atmosphere or was Bunheads
Speaker 4: different than Gilmore? Like, what were your thoughts having worked
Speaker 4: on two shows with with that crew?
Speaker 2: Oh, well, it was it was a similar few feeling,
Speaker 2: it was. It was a it was a pretty warm set,
Speaker 2: you know, and I think Gilmore Girls was more easy.
Speaker 3: It was more and you know, they've been doing it
Speaker 3: for five years by the time I got there, so.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and kind of in the crunch of being a
Speaker 3: new show, and so it was you know, that was
Speaker 3: that was in the air.
Speaker 5: But you know, uh, everybody was, you know, wonderful. Sutton
Speaker 5: was was wonderful and of course, Amen, Dan, And I'm
Speaker 5: just trying to remember, but yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Would say that that's that's the difference. That's the difference
Speaker 2: between the two. Is one one you kind of your
Speaker 2: shoulders are a little higher, you know, than they were
Speaker 2: in the other one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1: Well, I Greg, you're going to join us December eighteenth
Speaker 1: for a live podcast as at Warner Brothers. Uh, looking
Speaker 1: very much forward to that, and Uh, we're just going
Speaker 1: to have a good time over there.
Speaker 2: No, you know, does is mean I have to get
Speaker 2: my computer to work again or if I join you,
Speaker 2: I'm joining you and at Warner Brothers. Am I not?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're going to be there.
Speaker 2: That's you're person to person.
Speaker 1: You're taking the stage. Man, you can take it over.
Speaker 1: You're gonna come up there and take over. You know.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Anyway, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time, Greg. Looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing you in December. I'm sure the fans are too,
Speaker 1: so if you want to join Greg and all of
Speaker 1: our other guests on live I am all in podcasts
Speaker 1: from Warner Brothers Studios. Suzanne will be in attendance. The
Speaker 1: entire crew will be there, The Intrepid Crew, Greg Henry
Speaker 1: will be there, plus some other guests. Go to veeps
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Speaker 1: December twenty second for a week or two. I think
Speaker 1: it's about a week after that, twenty two through twenty eight. Anyway, Greg,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time and we'll see you soon, Buddy.
Speaker 1: Be well, all right, Suzanne, take care, Thank you everybody,
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