1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Hey, there, folks. It is Sunday, November twenty third, and 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: we are hopping on because we have a reading assignment 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: for you. Whatever you do, take the time, certainly, if 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: you can't do it today, do it in the next 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: couple of days and read the New Yorker essay by 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Tatiana Schlasberg. She is the granddaughter of President John F. 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, and in that essay she let us know 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: that she has been given less than a year to live. 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of amy and 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: TJ ropes. The headlines in a lot of places said 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: that the granddaughter of JFK has terminal illness, and that's true, 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: but so many of the articles nothing tells this story 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: better than she tells it in her own words. 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: I was so moved by her vulnerability, by the way 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: she described how she is living, what she's been through. 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: And my god, when you read how and when it happened, 17 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: she was thirty four years old in the hospital giving 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: birth to her daughter, and her whole world turned upside down. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: And I think you know, in terms of the timing 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: of this article, we are now everyone's gearing up for 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: family and food and yes, it's fun, but it's stressful, 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: and people get to complaining about I gotta do this, 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: and Aunt Deborah said that, And this article puts your 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: life and why we're here into total perspective. 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I would dare anybody to read this article 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: and not have a better day than you plan. And 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is you cannot go through 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: your day and not be more appreciative of your health, 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: your friends, your family, your surroundings. You have to be 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: more appreciative after reading something like this, and you talk 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: about holidays, everybody's getting ramped up for this family's getting 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: ready to spend what might possibly be the last set 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: of holidays with Tatiana Schlosberg. We don't hear necessarily, we 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: think Kennedy Kennedy client does. You could start naming off 35 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Kennedy family members, but Schlosberg has been in the headlines 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: here lately because her brother just announced he's running for Congress, 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: And what did everybody say? That Camelot is back? Right? 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: Everybody's so these are our royals. 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, the Kennedy family, I can't think. 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Maybe there's a Bush dynasty, but it doesn't even compare 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: to the Kennedy dynasty in this country, for sure. They 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: are our version of the UK's royal family. 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: So I think everything that had I think it always 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: starts with JFK. Right, these these tentacles, and who he's 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: This is his granddaughter, his niece, and we use that 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: all the time. But this is the daughter of Caroline 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: Kennedy and her husband Edwin Schlosburg. Their daughter, the granddaughter 48 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: of JFK. 49 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: And robe. 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: She has revealed, as we said, the name of this 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: article line courage everybody. I beg you to read it. 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: It's called a Battle with My Blood and this is 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: where she explains that she has a terminal cancer diagnosis 54 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: and the doctor has given her one year to live. 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Now it's about a It's a longer article, sure, and 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: it's worth every second that you read. But we want 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: to share some stuff from that article, and I think this. 58 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: There was so much in there to do robes, but 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: this was at least one quote or section I plucked 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: out that almost summed up the whole thing the best 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: you can, and least in terms of what she's going through. 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: She says, during the latest clinical trial, my doctor told 63 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: me that he could keep me alive for a year. 64 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Maybe my first thought was that my kids, whose faces 65 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: live permanently on the inside of my eyelids, wouldn't remember me. 66 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: My son might have a few memories, but he'll probably 67 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: start confusing them with the pictures he sees or stories 68 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: he hears. I didn't ever really get to take care 69 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: of my daughter. I couldn't change her diaper, or give 70 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: her a bath, or feed her all because of. 71 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: The risk infection. 72 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: After my transplants, I was gone for almost half of 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: her first year of life. I don't know who really 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: she thinks I am, and whether she will feel or 75 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: remember when I am gone that I am her mother. 76 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: And folks, what we're talking about. The son is three, 77 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: I have it right. Son is three, the daughter is one, 78 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: and the daughter was born on the same day that 79 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: Tatiana Schlosberg found out that she had leukemia, that she 80 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: had this form of cancer robes and that the story 81 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: here is pretty remarkable. But she goes into the hospital 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: last year, last summer to have a baby. She has 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: the baby, and they notice something about her blood cell count. 84 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: They say it was off. Now I don't understand all 85 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: these numbers, but I understand at least the difference in numbers, 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: they have something this micro leader count. This is something 87 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: you're familiar with, yes, at least Okay, so there, it 88 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: was supposed to be between four to eleven thousand cells 89 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: per micro leader. Hers was one hundred and one thousand 90 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: and thirty one thousand, So obviously that's a discrepancy sometimes, 91 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: so that's some kind So they start looking at it. 92 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Why was this If you have any I'm sorry, I'm 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: put you in a doctor hat here, but I wasn't 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: as familiar with what that means. 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: No. So basically, when they saw these elevated white blood cells, 96 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: that can be a sign of an infection or leukemia, 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: but it also could have been something to do with 98 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: her body. She literally had just given birth. 99 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: They told her right that this might be just associated 100 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: with you just had a baby. 101 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: They actually told her, don't worry. 102 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: It's either you know, this is just something that happens 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: to your body after you give birth, or it could 104 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: be leukemia, and we think it's probably something about you 105 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: having just given birth. Her husband at the time was 106 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: a med student, so he starts reaching out to everyone 107 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: they know, and they all kind of in the hours 108 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: they were waiting, they all were telling her don't worry. 109 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: It's almost likely just because you gave birth. Now, I 110 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: was imagining this. Any woman who's given birth to her child, 111 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: you want to have that cocoon, that moment you're holding 112 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: your baby. Her mother and her father were coming in 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: with their three year old and she had to be 114 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 2: immediately wheeled away to undergo hours of tests while they 115 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: all waited for the results, which was the worst case scenario, 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: something she couldn't have possibly prepared herself for. 117 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: Well, no, how could you ever prepare yourself right for 118 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: this kind of diagnosis. But we go farther than that, 119 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: robes in that this was something so wildly rare. Right, 120 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: if you get a cancer diagnosis at any age would 121 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: be difficult, but this was such a rare thing, and 122 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: for somebody her age, it was even more rare. This 123 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: is one of the healthiest thirty five, thirty four year 124 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: old women you will ever find, and for this to 125 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: happen to her again a rare mutation. She has a 126 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: cute myloid leukemia, and this rare mutation is called iverson 127 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: three in version three. Excuse me, I said, iris, And 128 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm a sports fan. No, she's not a Philadelphia fan, Okay, 129 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: the inversion three so rare. The doctors are asking her 130 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: if she was a great zero for nine eleven. 131 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: Because blood cancers have obviously and terminal blood cancers have 132 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: been prevalent among folks who were there. She told them this. 133 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: This was such a shocking response given how young she was. 134 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: She said, I was in sixth grade when nine to 135 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: eleven happened. Yes, I was in New York City, but 136 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 2: I was nowhere near the site. And this was It's 137 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: been found in those types of emergency workers, but also 138 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: in much much older people, So it was it's bizarre. 139 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: They don't have an explanation. They don't know why. She 140 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: was explaining that the day before she gave birth, at 141 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: nine months pregnant, she swam a mile. 142 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, people can't do that. 143 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: The day before, she said, almost every weekend she went 144 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: to Central Park and ran anywhere between five. 145 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: And ten miles. 146 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a healthy lady. I'm a physically active lady. 147 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: This is just what happens. Unfortunately, and some time. So 148 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: this set off a whole chain of events in her 149 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: life where this was supposed to be mediate bonding time, 150 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: expanding your family, and she finds out on that day 151 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: that her life is about to change. Change is one thing. 152 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: But there was a fight that ensued immediately on the 153 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: day of her child's birth for her to stay alive. 154 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: That immediately same day, her life became something else. So 155 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: this started robes whole rounds of chemo therapy, trials for drugs, 156 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: getting a bone marrow transplant, remission and relapse several times. 157 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: She has been going through hell for a year. 158 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's had two bone marrow transplants, one from her 159 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: sister and one from a complete stranger who she says 160 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: she wishes she could think. She knows he's from the 161 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest, and that's it. And they worked for a 162 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: little bit of time and then she immediately relapsed. 163 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: But just what it takes. 164 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: Look, we have an experience with our former colleague, Robin Roberts. 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: When you go through a bone marrow transplant. One of 166 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: my good friend's mothers did this too. They nearly kill 167 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: you with chemo to get your immune You have no 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,479 Speaker 2: immune system, you're a baby. You have to be revaccinated 169 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: after each one. That is how much they what they 170 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: put your body through. So she did that twice, all 171 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: within the span of what it's been a year and 172 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,239 Speaker 2: a half, just what she has been living through privately 173 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: for the last year and a half, what that family 174 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: has been through when they thought they were going to 175 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: be celebrating the baby's first steps, and she was probably 176 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: looking forward to changing diapers. 177 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: That was just such a reminder of what. 178 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: You think is going to happen, and in one moment, 179 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: your whole world can turn upside down. 180 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: I didn't think about it too, You just said it 181 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: the idea. I mean, how many times, how many people? 182 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: How many times you rolled your eyes at some point 183 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: because one of your kids blew up the diaper again? 184 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: Right? 185 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Damn, I just changed right. Every parent out there has 186 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: had that moment. We get in, we understand why. And 187 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: to hear that a woman is desperate to change her 188 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: child's diaper and she cannot. She's too weak to even 189 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: pick up her child. At this point, she says she 190 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: had to learn to walk again when she went home. 191 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: She is just preparing for the end at a time 192 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: when and she makes this, I would have had the 193 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: same first thought. Will my daughter even know? I was hew, Mama. 194 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: She doesn't know it now, she's too young to kind 195 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: of understand it. But the woman she's seeing now she's 196 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: not having playdates with and not having those warm and 197 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: fun moments to take pictures. And here's video for like 198 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: it's tough, and you see the images of her now 199 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: versus just a year ago. Jesus Christ. 200 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: I was looking at her pictures from her happy marriage 201 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. It's just remarkable what can happen in 202 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: a period of time. And I know as a mom, look, 203 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: this is nothing. But when you get a diagnosis, the 204 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: first thing you think about are your kids. How can 205 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: I take care of them? Will they remember me? Will 206 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: I be there for them when they need me? That 207 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: is what every mom would think immediately. 208 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: So the baby is a year old now and the 209 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: holidays are coming up. You talked about what she's going 210 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: through robes, and I think many people will immediately think 211 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: also about what the family has gone through. The Kennedy family. 212 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: Like anybody listening right now can probably reel off at 213 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: least five tragedies you know about that the Kennedy family 214 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: has been through. Is they call it the Kennedy curse. Look, 215 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: that's a colloquial way that people try to sum up 216 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: and try to explain all the tragedies we've seen with 217 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: this family, but so many of them rongs we have 218 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: to in this is what every family goes through. Somebody's sick, 219 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: somebody dies in an accident, somebody goes jail, somebody makes 220 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: a mistake. All these things is just such a big clan. 221 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: They are everywhere, I mean, the Kennedy's and the names, 222 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: and so we look at it, and even the family 223 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: has said over the years, there's no Kennedy curse. Are 224 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: families just like every other family. We're just living out 225 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: these tragedies in public in the most high profile of ways. 226 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: But romes. When we go through here now and go 227 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: back to some of these things that's happened to this family, 228 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: it's hard to feel, like Jesus, this family is just cursed. 229 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: Frankly, yes, So you actually put together a list and 230 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: it is in. Some of them I knew, and some 231 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: of them I had forgotten about, and some of them 232 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: I had never heard of. 233 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: That's true. It goes back all the way to nineteen 234 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: forty four. Joseph Kennedy Junior, the brother of JFK, died 235 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: in a plane crash during World War Two. This was 236 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: nineteen forty forty. Next years, in nineteen forty four, he 237 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: was twenty nine years old, so he was the one 238 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: they say that the dad really wanted to push into 239 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: a political career. 240 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: I remember this story, I remember seeing, but I had 241 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: forgotten about it completely. And then Kathleen Kennedy, that's the 242 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: sister of JFK. She also died in a plane crash 243 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: four years later in nineteen forty eight. 244 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: She was only twenty eight that. 245 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: One when she was going to Paris to the French Riviera. 246 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: I believe plane crash in ninety four, So keep going. Now, 247 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: Patrick Kennedy, I did not roams a my crazy I 248 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: did I not know this story. I remembered Jackie kin 249 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: I remember the talk about miscarriage. But Patrick Kennedy was 250 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: the newborn son of JFK. And Jackie Kennedy died thirty 251 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: nine hours after birth, born premature, die thirty nine hours 252 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: after birth in nineteen sixty three. So we there are 253 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: so many That is one of the most devastating things 254 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: that can happen to a family. 255 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: And it happened to this same year that John F. 256 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior was assassinated November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. 257 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: So can you imagine Jackie O now is dealing with 258 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: the loss of a child in infant I'm sure she 259 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: held in her arms and probably watched die and was 260 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: grieving that. And now her husband is assassinated in this 261 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: same year at the age of forty six. Then, of 262 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: course Robert F. Kennedy, the brother of JFK, is assassinated 263 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: five years later during a speech in nineteen sixty eight. 264 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: He was only forty two years old. And then of 265 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: course we have the Ted Kennedy, brother of JFK. 266 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody knows that story. They talk about the curse, 267 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: but that story, I mean that dogged him the rest 268 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: of his life. Yes, nuts, And yes, the young lady. 269 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: How old was she when she died? 270 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: She was twenty eight twenties, Yeah, I knew it was young. 271 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: Had a twenty eight year old woman. Everybody knows the story. 272 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: He drove it off a bridge, shap equitic, didn't call 273 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: and reported for another ten hours, but she got trapped 274 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: in there and died. But that was something that again 275 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: dogged him in that family for quite a while. 276 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: Then you have David Kennedy, who's the son of Robert 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: and Ethel. He died of an overdose in nineteen eighty 278 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: four at the age of twenty eight. 279 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: Some of these ages really throw me. 280 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: Yes, so young, Michael Kennedy, I really I remembered this. 281 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: One son of Robert and Ethel as Well, died in 282 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: a skiing accident in Aspen on New Year's Even nineteen 283 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: ninety seven. He was just thirty nine. So there you 284 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: have Robert and Ethel losing two sons too young, so 285 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: so tragic. And then of course we all remember jfkjun 286 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: You're in Carolyn bes At Kennedy, along with her sister, 287 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: all dying in that plane crash in nineteen ninety nine. 288 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: They were heading to a family wedding, thirty eight years. 289 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Old, these ages, and he was as camelot as they get. 290 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just immortalized that picture, that stunning image 291 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: of him, handsome as they get. Right, that was Mary Kennedy. 292 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: This is one you reminded me of. I did not remember. 293 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: She was the estranged wife of RFK. Junior. Died by 294 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: suicide in twenty twelve at the age of fifty two. 295 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: And again this is another tragedy part of that family 296 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: you recalled. 297 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: He found her, found her hanging in the barn like 298 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: it was really dramatic and traumatic and made a lot 299 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: of headlines. And then Sirsha Kennedy Hill, I remember a 300 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: granddaughter of Robert and Ethel Again that family specifically had 301 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: a lot of just unbelievable tragedies. She died by an 302 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: accidental overdose in August of twenty nineteen. She was only 303 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: twenty two. And then I remember this story, Mav Kennedy 304 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: Townsend McCain, and she's the granddaughter of RFK. She went 305 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: into a canoe with her eight year old son. They 306 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: went missing. 307 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: Their bodies were found a few days later. She was 308 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: just forty. Again, her son was only eight. 309 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: When you hear about these things and a Kennedy pay, 310 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's wild how how infrequent we seem to 311 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: hear about a Kennedy dying of old age. Obviously it happens, 312 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: and not every one of those makes necessarily headlines. But 313 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: some of these A canoeing accident, overdose, suicide, skiing plane, right, 314 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: all these what in the world. So you can't help 315 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: but think, what is going on? So now we hear 316 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: about something happening to another member of the Kennedy clan 317 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: with cancer. 318 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: That is rarest of cancer. That's what I mean. At 319 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: the youngest of an age and. 320 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: The healthiest of people, and the most inopportune of times. 321 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: Is never a good time to get that diagnosis. 322 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: But on the day you give birth, that's horrific. 323 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Okay, she wrote, And again, folks, we mentioned at the 324 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: top here this beautiful, beautiful essay that we encourage you 325 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: once again to read. It's in the New York It's 326 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: called a Battle with My Blood. She talked a lot 327 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: about what she's going through, but stay here when we 328 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: come back. Want to tell you what she said in 329 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: that essay, also about R. F. Kennedy Junior, her relative, 330 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: of course, who is now the head of HHS. And 331 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: do not miss, folks, who are going to share this 332 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: with you as well her closing and most beautiful line 333 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: of her essay. All right, folks, Robot and I continue 334 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: now again with the story of Tassiana Schlasburg, the granddaughter 335 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: of President John F. Kennedy Junior, sharing with the world 336 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: over the weekend and essay in The New Yorker that 337 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: she has terminal cancer. Doctors have given her a year 338 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: to live with this rare, rare leukemia. Thirty five year 339 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: old woman who is the mother of two kids, one 340 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: three years old, the other a one year old who 341 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: was born on the exact same day that she got 342 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: this diagnosis. Now we talk about how beautiful essay is. 343 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: She reserved some some moments for her other really famous, 344 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: high profile public relative, rifk Jr. I guess it was 345 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: kind of understandable, but it didn't seem that mean spirited. 346 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: She could have gone a lot harder than she did. 347 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is her cousin, and both Tatiana and her mother, Caroline. 348 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: Caroline has been very outspoken, writing letters to Congress asking 349 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: them to please not confirm her relative. That is, so 350 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: they have been outspoken, and again not in a mean 351 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: spirited way, but in a please we would like to 352 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 2: help protect our country kind of way. 353 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: From our family member. 354 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: Correct. So she writes this in her essay. She said, 355 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: during one of my trials, my cousin, Robert F. Kennedy Junior, 356 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: was in the process of being nominated and confirmed as 357 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Throughout my treatment, 358 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: he had been on the national stage previously a Democrat. 359 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: He was running for president as an independent, but mostly 360 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: as an embarrassment to me and the rest of my 361 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: immediate family. I watched from my hospital bed as Bobby, 362 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: in the face of logic and common sense, was confirmed 363 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: for the position despite never having worked in medicine, public health, 364 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 2: or the government. And she goes on to say that 365 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 2: some of the drugs, specifically one of the drugs that 366 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: she was being given, and certainly the vaccines that she 367 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: then had to take once her body was completely stripped 368 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: of any immunity, She said that those would all be 369 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: in question. If what her relative wants to put in place, 370 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: she might not have been able to receive the life 371 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: saving care that she needed and other cancer patients, and 372 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 2: she worries when she leaves that those other people who 373 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: will come after her will not have the same access 374 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: to the same drugs. And certainly the research that's been 375 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: going on to try and give her new medications and 376 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: longer and better way of living, they have all been stopped. 377 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: They have all ground to a halt, or some of 378 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: them haven't. So she worries about the future. And it's personal, 379 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: it's deeply personal. 380 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: She I thought that was that was a really good 381 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: way for her to do. It did not sound bitter. 382 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: She made a policy argument, I use this drug my 383 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: family members ahead of a JHS. And he has now 384 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: put this drug that's helped so many under review that 385 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't say any plan. I mean, she 386 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: didn't get into a nasty argument. She makes a good, 387 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: a human point, and too often we hear in Washington 388 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: arguments being made for a variety of reasons. But everybody 389 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: will listen to this woman, not because it's Slashburg and 390 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: it's Kennedy, but because we're actually hearing from somebody who 391 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: is impacted by things being done in Washington, and she 392 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: just happens to have the name and the access to 393 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: get her story out and make people listen. Plenty of 394 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: stories out there like this, plenty that they don't get 395 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: the chance to write about and tell about. So I 396 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: do applaud and that's why I find it necessary to 397 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: amplify this article. 398 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. She makes so many beautiful points. 399 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: And I think there's also just a recognition that it 400 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much money you have, It doesn't matter 401 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: if your last name's Kennedy or Schlosberg or whatever. She 402 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: was even talking about having holy water blessed from the 403 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: Pope in her possession, and still cancer does not discriminate. 404 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: And I just thought this beautiful essay she leaves behind. 405 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: Hopefully can a help all of us live a little 406 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: bit better and a little bit more gratefully. Coming up 407 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: on this week where gratitude is at the forefront, but 408 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: also just recognize how important who we elect and the 409 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: ripple effects certain policies can have on so many people 410 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: that you might not even know you will one day 411 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: fit into the category of you might not think you'll 412 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: ever be a cancer patient, but you could, and this 413 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: stuff matters. 414 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: And most people never do think they'll be a cancer patient. 415 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: She closed with this line or the stood out because 416 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: you and I talk about this thing all the time, 417 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: trying to live in the moment, and she made an 418 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: argument for why she can't right now. She closed with this, folks, 419 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: she said, mostly I try to live and be with 420 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: them now, but being in the present is harder than 421 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: it sounds. So I let the memories come and go. 422 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: So many of them are from my childhood that I 423 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: feel as if I'm watching myself and my kids grow 424 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: up at the same time. Sometimes I trick myself into 425 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: thinking I'll remember this forever, I'll remember this when I'm dead. 426 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: Obviously I won't, but since I don't know what death 427 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: is like, and there's no one to tell me what 428 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: comes after it. I'll keep pretending, I will keep trying 429 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: to remember. Well done, Tatiana Slashburgh, really really really well done. 430 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: That was just absolutely beautiful. And it was thought provoking, yes, 431 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: and emotional. 432 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm crying for her and for her children, But 433 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 2: I really appreciate the fact that she was willing to 434 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: put this hale out there. It's not easy to be 435 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 2: known as and remembered for being a cancer patient. 436 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 3: And she even talked about with her son. 437 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: She talks to him about what mommy does. She writes 438 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: about the environment, she writes about protecting the ocean. She 439 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: wants him to know him as something more than that. 440 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: But this was just such a beautiful gift to the world, 441 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: and I want to thank her for writing it, and folks. 442 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: We would again, We will encourage you once again. Please 443 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: take a few minutes and read it in the New Yorker. 444 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: In the New Yorker, what was it? A Battle with 445 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: My blood is the name of from Tatiana Schlasburg. We 446 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: promise it is worth your time, and we appreciate you 447 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: spending some time here with us. But we're going to 448 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: hop on and speak on this it's been We've been 449 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: talking about this all weekend for the most part, and 450 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: been emotional about it all weekend. But I'm glad, she shared, 451 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: Glad we could share with you. But for my dear 452 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: Emmy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. Always appreciate you.