1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: I ran for the board on the message that I'm 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: going to fight for the middle and lower tiers of 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, and in a very strange and ironic way, 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: I just did that. I got thoughts in my head. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Can't get John nothing, what I'm thinking about. Thoughts in 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: my head, can't get them out. Nothing, think what I'm 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: thinking about. Hello, Welcome back to their Fire Drill podcast. 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: This is Alan Schipnuk big day in the world of 9 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: professional golf. The PGA Tour has announced some sweeping changes 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: to the structure of the tour and what the elevated 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: events are gonna look like going forward. I am delighted 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: to be joined by a gentleman who's been in the 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: room where it happened to quote Hamilton, Peter Ramalnaughty, one 14 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: of the five player directors who runs the PGA Tour. Essentially, Peter, 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: thank you for doing this, thank you for having me out, 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it's going to be it's gonna be 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: a tumultuous time here. So let's put some truth out 18 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: there exactly. So. One of the criticisms of the tour 19 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: in the past is that the player directors and the 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: player advisory committee has skewed towards the best, most successful 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: players who may not be fully in touch with the 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: membership as a whole. And so I think one of 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: the reasons why you got elected to the board is 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: you were going to represent the tour middle class, if 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: you will. Because the other directors are Rory McElroy, we 26 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: know who he is, Patrick Cantley, top ten player in 27 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: the world US Open, Champ Webb Simpson, and Charlie Hoffman, 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: who's won about one hundred million dollars in the PGA Tour. 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: It feels like and and so I think folks were 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: thinking Peter mulnaughty is gonna is gonna He's gonna be 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: the man who's in an obstructionist as as the delaware 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, twenty three you try and reshape the tour um. 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: But of course um hasn't quite played out like that. 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: I know from our text matches today you've had a 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: change of heart and you're thinking about about the structure 36 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: of things. Can you walk us through how how you're 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: thinking has evolved and what you think of these new changes? Yeah, 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: I mean I definitely can and and I will be 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the first to admit um. You know, I was I was. 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: I was disappointed with the tour coming out of the 41 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: Delaware meeting. You know that the the frame that the 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: tour tried to put on that was, look, how invested 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: our stars are they they're meeting and and to me 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of my peers, I think it felt like, well, 45 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean, the tour has a governance process and we're 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: ignoring it, like, you know, we're just that this isn't leadership, 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: this is you know, blackmail like like like like I 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: think there was a lot of um, there was a 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: lot of angst, for sure, and and I was at 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: the very top of that, like I was. I was, 51 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: I was frustrated. I didn't think that was right. I 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: felt annoyed. Sure, I do, I do really appreciate and 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: did really appreciate that, you know, these guys want to 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: be here playing on the PGA Tour, but um, it 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: felt to me like they didn't want to respect the 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, the forty or fifty years of process has 57 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: gone into building the PGA Tour. So as recently as 58 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: um as recently as last Wednesday, I was adamantly against 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: the idea of the PGA Tour adding small field, no 60 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: cut events to its schedule. I just that that seems 61 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: antithetical to me from the tour's mission of identifying and 62 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: rewarding the best golfers in the world. I feel like, 63 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, just on a simple, simple scale, it just 64 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: seems less competitive to me to have to be sixty 65 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: nine other guys and it does have to be one 66 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen other guys for one hundred and fifty 67 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: five other guys for some of our full field events 68 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: in the summer. So so I was I was just 69 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: adamantly opposed. It felt to me like a way to 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: put more money into the pockets of the top players directly, 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: just just to hand it to them. And that's that's 72 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: that's how it felt. And I was, you know, I 73 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: was standing so strongly against that. UM. And last week 74 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: we had a call the WEB. We call ourselves the 75 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: OPS Committee, but essentially it's the player Directors UM UM, 76 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, the policy board, So none of the none 77 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: of the independent directors, but just the players UM are 78 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: the OPS Committee. And we talk about tournament operations UM. 79 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: And so obviously there's the only one real subject right 80 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: now is you know, what does our what does our 81 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: product looked like? What's our future model. UM. And so 82 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: last Wednesday we had a call to talk about this 83 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: and kind of the tour, the tour brass sort of um, 84 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, they they proposed this model that they basically 85 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: the way this was kind of the way this came 86 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: to be. They set it up as as kind of 87 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: a a dicot or not. I don't know. It's a 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: trichotomy of thing three three three things. Um. There was 89 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: essentially kind of coming out of the Delaware meeting, it 90 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: seems like there was you know, if if if the 91 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: tour had just given that group of twenty three players 92 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: everything they wanted, we would we would essentially have either 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: a two tour system or just you know, one elite 94 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: PGA tour and then something else for the rest of us. UM. 95 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: So that was definitely a two tour system. So that 96 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: was you know, an option that was here at the 97 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: top of the page, kind of at the bottom of 98 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: the page was this idea of well, let's do nothing, 99 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Let's just keep keep moving forward with you know, we 100 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: got invitations one hundred and twenty player fields, we've got um, 101 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, our regular FETs Cup events. Um, you know, 102 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: maybe throw twenty million dollars in the purse of a a 103 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: few events where we can somehow sell that to sponsors, whatever, 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: just just move forward without changing anything. And so this 105 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: this new model, which is in the middle of those 106 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: two was proposed and the tours kind of coined it 107 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: the designated event model. And you know, it's been through many, many, 108 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: many iterations. But I sat in this meeting last Wednesday, 109 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: this OPS committee meeting, and it's like, no paid it, 110 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: absolutely hate it. No, you know, more events, small field, 111 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: no cut. You know, you're taking playing opportunities away from 112 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: the members. It's just terrible. But in the days after 113 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: that meeting, some of the points that they made started 114 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: to sink in a little bit as I, you know, 115 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: your brain kind of you go in with just this idea, 116 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: and as I let this, I let some of the 117 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: stuff that they said sink in. There became these moments 118 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: where it's like, gosh like because to me, like any 119 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: good point that they made in that meeting was just, oh, 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: they're just saying that so they can give the top 121 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: players what they want. They're just saying that so they 122 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: can give the top players what they want. But then 123 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: as it sank in and I tried to have a 124 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: little bit more of an open mind about it. I 125 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: started to sense some like there's some some merit to 126 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: some of these things that were saying. And I'll get 127 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: into the details of what it was they were saying, 128 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: but essentially when we got to so by the time 129 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: I got there for the Policy Board meeting on Tuesday, 130 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm still like adamant that I'm going to represent the 131 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: middle and bottom thirds of the PGA tour membership. That 132 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: that's that's my job in that room. So so to me, 133 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: that still means I've got to protect playing opportunities. I've 134 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: got to fight for you know, these these fields to 135 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: be bigger, got to fight for him to be you know, 136 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, full fields, close to full fields, you know, 137 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: more more playing opportunities, and then to be getting the room. Um, 138 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: the Tour head was able between the time of our 139 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: our Ops Committee meeting and the Policy Board meeting, they've 140 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: been able to to create some visual graphics of of 141 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: the data that they've been able to create through through 142 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: some simulations that they've run, and it was really really 143 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: clear that, um, the way to protect the middle third 144 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: and the bottom third of the PGA Tour membership is 145 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: to move forward with this model that has small fields, uh, 146 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: in the in the Destiny events, because that that sort 147 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: of COUNTERINTUITI I want, that's a really key point here. 148 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: Explain that so hard for me to wrap my head around. 149 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: It took a week. So so that's what I actually, 150 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: I've written a note that I've sent out to a 151 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: lot of my peers on the tour, a lot of 152 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: people who were who were, in all honesty somewhat counting 153 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: on me, I think to go in and not let 154 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: this happen. Um. So I've written this note because you're right, 155 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: incredibly counterintuitive, incredibly hard to wrap my head around. And 156 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: I told them in this note that a road that 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: it took me a week. It took me a week 158 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: of simmering on this for it to kind of settle 159 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: down and make sense. So I don't expect them to 160 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: be okay with it in a day. Um. But but 161 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of it is this, Um, you know, 162 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: the events that the events that the majority of the 163 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: tour can count on to play every year. UM. That's 164 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: not to say that they're you know, lesser events, but 165 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: you know, if we look, you know, if you look 166 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: on the West coast, you've got the MX tournament which 167 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: uses multiple courses. Farmers Insurance uses multiple courses, so there's 168 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: a big fields um. Yeah, yeah, we at pebbles, multiple courses, 169 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: big field um. And then you move move west a 170 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: movie sorry, to Florida, and you've got you know, the 171 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: the Honda Classic, which will you know, still exist with 172 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: a new sponsor moving forward. And then vals bar Um 173 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: in Tampa, which is you know, a great, amazing golf 174 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: of course, but but you know, a bigger field kind 175 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: of falls right around a couple of big events, so 176 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't always get supermarket names. So but all these events, 177 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, and you go all the way, take that 178 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: through the summer. And I made this little analogy today 179 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: in my head too, where like, you know, there's all 180 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: these all these people who are like like me've been 181 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: on tour for several years. I've never made it to 182 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: superstar status, you know, never never never sniffed a tour championship, 183 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: but also have kept their card for several years. Um. 184 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: And so I called them like those are the Peter 185 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: Malnaughties of the tour. And then with our tournaments, you 186 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: have all these tournaments that are the John Deer Classics 187 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: of the PGA tour schedule that are absolutely amazing events 188 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: that may not always get or may never get the 189 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: top how like like if if you look at the 190 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: John Your Classic, I think it gets one to two 191 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: of the top fifty players in the world, most most summers. 192 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Yet if you look at what it does, it gives, 193 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: Like I think the last several summers, it's given more 194 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: than ten million dollars back into the Mulling community and 195 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: to two charities in the Milling community. And it's a 196 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: well attended event. It's a loved event by that community. 197 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: It's a loved event by players on tour. So the 198 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: reason that this new model works for every single member 199 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour and helps every single member of 200 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is if we had one hundred and 201 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty guys playing eight designated events, that takes not only 202 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: the top tier of players out of the full field 203 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: facts couple events, it takes a lot of the middle 204 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: tier out as well, because if they know they're immemorial, 205 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: if they know they're in, you know, whatever events, they're gone. 206 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: We don't know for sure what events they're going to out, 207 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: but we can count on the player hosts invitations. I 208 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: think being being elevated. But if if the top tier 209 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: and middle tier know that they're in these designated events, 210 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: they're going to skip, Um, you know, they're going to 211 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: skip all these events in the middle of the schedule. 212 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: They're going to skip the Classics, the vals, bars, the 213 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: John DearS, they're going to skip them, and those events 214 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: won't be able to sustain the level that they've come 215 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: to to to know whatether it's a purse level going 216 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: back to the players, or a community impact level that 217 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: they have in the towns where they are. But under 218 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: this model, and there's so much about this model that's 219 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: good actually because um, there's always going to be playing 220 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: opportunities to get into the designated events always, and the 221 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: full field regular FedEx Cup events are all going to 222 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: serve as a qualifying way to get into the designated events. Um, 223 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: we're going to see you know, a couple of names 224 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: that I could pick out. If I looked at our 225 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I guess this season is so so so early. But 226 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: if I look at our our season and just take 227 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: where it is right now, you know, imagine that we're 228 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: a year ahead. We're in twenty twenty four, but we've 229 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: got the FedEx Coup lists that we have currently right now. 230 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: You would have guys, you know, you would have guys 231 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: like you know, Billy Horshell's and Gary Woodlands, and guys 232 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: that fans love, fans know, fans root for, that need 233 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: to play these events, these full field, regular FedEx couple 234 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: events because they might not necessarily be in a smaller 235 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: field designated event, and so they're going to play. And 236 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: it's going to make those events easier to sell the sponsors, 237 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: easier to sell the media partners. Those events are going 238 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: to be able to not only sustain the level they're at, 239 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: I think they will truly be able to grow. And 240 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: there's really wise people on the policy board that agreed 241 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: with that, like that thought that they could realistically see 242 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: growth for those events even though they're living in a 243 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: world now that consists of eight of these designated or 244 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: elevated events. I think we can realistically strengthen every event 245 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: on the PJ Tour under this model, and I don't 246 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: think we could if we at the larger fields that 247 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: I originally fought so hard for. So, if I'm hearing 248 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: you correctly, you think it's that middle tier of players 249 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: that are going to support the lesser tournaments on tour, 250 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: and they're going to be difference makers, but I still 251 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: think it's a star driven enterprise. And by kind of 252 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: codifying that there's these two different tours in some ways, 253 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: the John Deers and the Bob Hopes and some of 254 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: those are are they ever going to get top players? 255 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: And if if they don't get the top twenty or 256 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: thirty guys, can they really survive? As as as the 257 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: tour becomes more bifurcated, I think one thing that the 258 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: tour is getting so right here that I didn't give 259 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: them any credit for this. M A smaller field also 260 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: means it's hard to be in those designated events. So 261 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: if you look like like a superstar has a couple 262 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: of meetings on tour, like the superstar is the person 263 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: who's playing great right now, and obviously the top ten 264 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: in the world, you know, like Addie Scheffler, absolutely a superstar. 265 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: But but in terms of our fan base, like Ricky 266 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: Fowler's having a great year right now, so he's a 267 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: he's back up to a level. But for the last 268 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: several years Ricky would not be in these designated events 269 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: and you can't call him anything other than a superstar. 270 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: And if you look at like, um, you know a 271 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: fran Molinari. Frand Millinari is an absolute superstar in the game, 272 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: but he hasn't played well for a couple of years. 273 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: So he's not going to be in these designated events 274 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: and he's going to need and want to get in them. 275 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Like that's the world strife for so this year, the 276 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: schedule sucks and we all know that, like, like the 277 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: Tour knows that, every single constituent group knows that, Like, 278 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, the Honda Classic being Sandwich designated designated Honda 279 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: designated players terrible. No one wanted that. It was a 280 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: trans It's a transition year. It's tough. The thing that 281 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: got me to open my mind in the first place 282 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: was looking at the cadence of the schedule for twenty 283 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: twenty four. It's beautiful. I truly think that even even 284 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: the Rory mcelroys, and I mean they're going to have 285 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: to play some of the full field events because they can't. 286 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Like that's another good thing the Tour got right is 287 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: the number of these designated events, Like there's not too many. 288 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: They don't dominate the schedule, but the full field Regular 289 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: Effects Cup events, some of the top guys, they're going 290 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: to pick one out of the three pretty much every 291 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: time I think to play, you know, because there's like 292 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: I said that, the schedule has a beautiful flow. It 293 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: goes like designated event full field, full field, full field, 294 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: designated designated full field, full field, designated players, full field, 295 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: full field. So there's always two and a lot of 296 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: times three full field events between designated events. And so 297 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: I think even the top players will will most of 298 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: those blocks pick one of the full field events to play, 299 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: especially when they're in blocks of three, and so that helps. 300 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: And then like I, like I was saying before, I 301 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: just think, you know, there are several names in this 302 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: middle group of tour players who have great, great, great 303 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: name name recognition with fans and and are easy sales 304 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: for for title sponsors who are like, oh, yeah, you know, 305 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna get Gay Woodland this year. We're gonna get 306 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: Ricky Fowler this year, We're gonna get you know, whoever 307 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: the case may be that maybe didn't have their best 308 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: best play, because honestly, at a number as small as seventy, 309 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: these destinated events are going to be hard to get in. 310 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: And you know, another thing, I just really I truly 311 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: believe that the strength of the entire schedule will be 312 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: improved by this, which I that's a one eighty for me. 313 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: I must admit that that's a one eighty for me. 314 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: A week ago, I thought small field no cuts were 315 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: just horrible for the tours model and for the middle 316 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: and bottom of the membership. And I have I haven't 317 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: nudged myself toward thinking it's okay. I'm flipped to where 318 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: I think this is a really good idea. Well, let's 319 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: talk about the no cut because this has been a flashpoint, 320 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: and obviously hovering over all of this is live golf, 321 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I thought the strongest talking point the 322 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: tour had is that that we are a hardcore competition 323 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: and live is more of an exhibition and they don't 324 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: have to earn it out there. And now all of 325 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: a sudden, the tour has gone to smaller fields, no 326 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: cut guaranteed money. This feeling by some people it's a 327 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: clothes shop, even though there can be some turnover, But 328 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: once you're in these elevated events, it's going to help 329 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: you stay in the elevated events. So do you worry 330 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: that that a fundamental component of the PGA tour is 331 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: being lost that that need to make the cut to 332 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: earn your spot and to prove it and at the 333 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: same time also delineate yourself from the competition. Like a 334 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 1: lot of people are upset about losing the cuts, especially 335 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: in the most important event. So what is your response 336 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: to that. I worry about that a lot. That that 337 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: is something, um, you know, from as far down as 338 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, I get to UM, I'm really lucky I live. 339 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: I live near the University of Tennessee. They have a 340 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: wonderful practice facility for their golf teams, and so I 341 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: mentored some of the kids on that team who are 342 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: really really good, and and you know they'll ask me 343 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, you know, what's the biggest step? 344 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: What do I need to do? How do I? And 345 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: I always tell him was like in the college Chennamant. 346 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: You know, if you play, allows you the first two 347 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: days and you'll play great the third day, you still 348 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: help your team, you still feel good, it's all good. 349 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: Pro tournament you play allows you the first two days. 350 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: You just spent you know on a minute tour. You've 351 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: probably spent fifteen hundred to two thousand bucks on a 352 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: PGA tour. You've spent you know, four to eight thousand 353 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: bucks and you don't you don't get anything. You go 354 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: home like you're done, and and that's that sucks. And 355 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: that's a real thing in professional golf. And so you know, 356 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: I've thrown this in the Commissioner's space a lot of 357 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: times that the first week Live played, it was, you know, 358 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know where they played, somewhere in London 359 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: or something. We were at the RBC Canadian Open, and 360 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: Commissioner went on CBS in the Sunday broadcast and he said, 361 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: what we do at the PGA Tour is true and 362 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: pure competition. And I've I've I've thrown that line at 363 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: him incessantly over the last months because like, we can't, 364 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: we can't have no cut events and say we do 365 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: true and pure competition. That's just And I've been I've 366 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: been adamant about that. And so I'll tell you why 367 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm why I'm at peace with this new model, UM, 368 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: And it's it's the fact that I'll tell you the 369 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: difference between between us and whatever I'm supposed to call 370 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: him Live, UM. The differences Live guys were handpicked, not 371 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: always based based sometimes on popularity, not based on recent 372 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: results or anything like that. They were handpicked to play 373 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: in a field where they're guaranteed to make a lot 374 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: of money. These UM, these designated events will have nobody 375 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: that was handpicked. They're gonna have UM there, there will 376 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: be there will be sponsors, exemptions maximum of four I 377 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: think I don't know if I'm even maximum of four 378 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: for sure, But but they're not going to be they're 379 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: going to be restricted to there's gonna be we haven't 380 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: hammered out all the details. They're going to be restricted 381 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: to either life members, which is Tiger, you know, or 382 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: people who are in form right now, like they're not 383 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: gonna be able to just you know, the tournaments aren' 384 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: gonna able to say, oh, yeah, well we sponsor this guy, 385 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: so we want tom nd. It's got to be someone 386 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: who is you know, whether whether the que with some 387 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: crew criteri we talked about was top hundred in the 388 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: world currently for sponsors, invite or um multiple wins on 389 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour in the last five years, um, something 390 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: along those lines. There will be nobody in a designated 391 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: event who is being handed a spot and being handed 392 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: you know what, it's last place money or anything like 393 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: every person in those fields has played well to qualify 394 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: for them, and it's either he played incredibly well the 395 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: last season consistently over an entire season and so that 396 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: got you in, or you're hot right now and you've 397 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: played really well in the you know, the weeks or 398 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: months leading up to this designated event to get in them. 399 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: So the players who play in a designated event have 400 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: earned the right to be there with their scores on 401 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: the course and nothing else, and so that that is 402 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: a big difference. That is still a gray area for me. 403 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: I've even pitched the idea, which you know, we're not 404 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: going to do this in year one for sure. I 405 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: don't know that we will ever do it. But I've 406 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: even pitched the idea of embracing the small field, but 407 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: embraced a smaller cut, Like you know, we could have 408 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: a seventy five player field cut to top forty and 409 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: ties after the first two days. That's possible, and I 410 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: think that would achieve everything that we've talked about wanting 411 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: to do, but not going to do that in your 412 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: one um, but the cut, the cut is massively important. 413 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm at peace with this plan. I can sell this 414 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: plan to the membership because of the fact that you 415 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: have to earn your right to be in a designated event. 416 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: There are no spots handed out to anyone in them. 417 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 1: What has been the reaction from your your peers in 418 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: the last twenty four to thirty six hours as the 419 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: details have leaked out? Yeah, I mean yeah, predictable Like 420 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: where was I? Where was I seven days ago? I was? 421 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: I was adamant that no no cut, small field, no 422 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: cut events were just a cop out and a horrible 423 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: path forward for the PGA Tour. So when when my 424 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: peers learned that they feel the same way, UM, I 425 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: will say, Um, the tour did a tore did a 426 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: really really, really good job of actually giving us we 427 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: asked for an ops ops committee. I'm not I'm not 428 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: on an island. Like like, Rory is an incredibly thoughtful 429 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: leader and quite a appreciate him. Obviously, he's been a 430 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: superstarring golf since he was a teenager. UM, so his 431 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: perspective will be different than mine. But he is a 432 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: thoughtful guy. I appreciate him. UM. Charlie Hoffman and Web 433 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: Simpson UM are particularly a tune to the voice of 434 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: the entire membership. So it's not like I'm on on 435 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: an island, like the only one in there, fighting fighting 436 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: for this. But but I was. I was particularly impressed 437 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: with the tour Um in the data that they were 438 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: able to give us. You know, they they they have 439 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: a I don't know how it works. I'm pretty ignoranous 440 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: to the details of the technology, but they were able 441 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: to run simulated a thousand simulated seasons under the projected 442 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: plan that we've put forward um and and you know, 443 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: the results and these thousand simulated seasons were actually really 444 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: impressive to see. You know, what percentage of players playing 445 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: in the full field events came from the top one 446 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: twenty five from the previous year category or higher, versus 447 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: what percentage came from you know, the corn ferry tour 448 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: category or below. And if we did one twenty player fields, 449 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: it was not a good ratio, Like there were only 450 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: you know, the average event was only going to have 451 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to butcher the number, but approximately like thirty 452 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: to thirty five percent of the field of in a 453 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: full fiel event would be from one twenty five the 454 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: previous year or above, and the rest would be you know, 455 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: the corn frarier category and then below that whereas at 456 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: small field for these events, it was significantly more than 457 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: fifty percent of the fields being filled by top one 458 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: twenty five and above category. And so to see that, 459 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: to see that data, um, you know, really really really 460 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: swayed and influenced me. And the other thing I'll say, um, 461 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: if I may, without even asking m the other thing 462 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: that that was incredibly important to me. I remember, I 463 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: remember a conversation I had with Maverick nearly. Maverick is 464 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: a very very smart, smart leader on the tour, an 465 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: obviously great player too. But Maverick and I talked about 466 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: the ideas that were being sort of rumored coming out 467 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: of the Delaware meeting, and Maverick, you know, smart, uses 468 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: big words. He said, it's okay, it's okay to create 469 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: He's I think it's okay to create a stratified tour 470 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: where you have, like, you know, a higher tier events 471 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: and a lower tier events. The problem is if you 472 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: have stratification with no mobility, you have to have mobility. 473 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: And when he said that, I was like, because I 474 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: wasn't really okay with a stratified tour at that point. 475 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, I liked the idea 476 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: of you know, all of us playing together all the 477 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: time and whatever. It's just thought. You know, I didn't 478 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: want it to be I didn't want anyone to tell 479 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: me it was gonna be harder for me to play 480 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: in the memorial because I like the memorial, darn it um. 481 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: But this new model like another thing they were able 482 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: to do with that those thousand simulated seasons. What it 483 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: revealed was that there was sixty four percent retention within 484 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: the top fifty from one year to the next, which 485 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: means thirty six percent turnover, which means eighteen guys in 486 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: and eighteen guys out. That's pretty good mobility. Honestly, if 487 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: you think about what like, you know, if you're handing 488 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: the top fifty eight no cut events with higher concentration 489 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: of fis cup points to the top ten. The fact 490 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: that there's eighteen guys that you know in an average season, 491 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, some seasons more some seasons if you last, 492 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: but always centered right around eighteen guys, that's a pretty 493 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: good amount of mobility. I was. I was very worried 494 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: when this was when this was presented, that we would 495 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: have you know, eight or ten guys able to move 496 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: in and out of the top fifty. So if if 497 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: eighteens the average, that that actually that that to me, 498 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: that says to me and to the other you know, 499 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: the other one hundred and thirty male natties of the 500 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: PGA tour, go work your ass off, like go go go, go, 501 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: go get good, like go do it because you can. 502 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: This is not closed like it's tight. It's small, but 503 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: it's not closed. So go and and I really I 504 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: left the pack meet or the board meeting like proud 505 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: of the fact that I had had an open enough 506 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: mind to see this and excited about the future. But 507 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: as much as anything motivated to go be a part 508 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: of it, like that was, it didn't. It didn't feel 509 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: like a closed shop to me, and the data really 510 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: proves that it's not or reveals that it's not. So 511 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm super excited. It's a rallying cry for this chaotic 512 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: era stratification with mobility, like I love it. Did you 513 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: see some of the chortling from the live golf guys 514 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: on social media and otherwise basically saying, hey, thanks for 515 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: stealing our idea of how did that land with you? 516 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything. I don't see anything. I'm you know, 517 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: it's funny it was out there, I'll put it. Put 518 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: it that way up. Well, I mean that's predictable obviously. Yeah, 519 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: very fanciable. I Uh, I had my first my son 520 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: was born in October of twenty nineteen, and yeah, I 521 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: mean I was. I never had a huge Twitter following 522 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: or anything of it. I was never I was never 523 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: very good on Twitter. Um. I'm no Maxilma. You know, 524 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm no Maxilma, no Joel Damon um Um. But you know, 525 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: I just I decided when my son was born. I 526 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it may make me less valuable, 527 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: it may make my my my my bay, hurt my brand. 528 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: I'll have a brand, don't really care. Um. I deleted 529 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: all my social media and I'm I'm happier, I am wiser, 530 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: I am more sane for doing so. Like I really, 531 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: you know, I really feel, I really feel a greater 532 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: sense of peace. Not always knowing what's going on. Obviously, 533 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: I don't need to be on social media to know 534 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: what the response is to what we're doing is it's 535 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it is a hard time. Like ideally 536 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: I would not have ever chosen to have events on 537 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: tour with no cut I just don't think that's I 538 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: think cuts are essential to competition at the highest level 539 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: and professional golf. But given where we are, I think 540 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: this model that we just proposed is damn good and 541 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: I think it's going to really, really, really help the 542 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: entire PGA Tour from top to bottom. It's I ran 543 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: for the board on the message that I'm going to 544 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: fight for the middle and lower tiers of the PGA Tour, 545 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: and in a very strange and ironic way, I just 546 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: did that, like I just did, and and that's I 547 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: didn't think that going in. But it takes you know, 548 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: we always I's cool. I got to meet U, one 549 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 1: of the new I have a fellow rookie on the 550 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: PGA Tour Policy Board named Jimmy Dunn, and Jimmy Jimmy 551 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: said to me, I actuald say something because I told him. 552 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: I told him what my thoughts were going into this. 553 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: I explained to him where and why, and you know, 554 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: he was really you know, I think he saw merit 555 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: in my concerns too. And then at the end of 556 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: the meeting he said to me, he said, you know what, 557 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: you can't be sure if something unless you doubted it first. 558 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: And I don't really know if that's just one of 559 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: those things you hang on the wall, or if there's 560 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: actually some truth in that. But I really like, I 561 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: really feel really confident that the decisions that came out 562 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: of this meeting yesterday are going to make the PGA 563 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: Tour stronger, way more marketable, and honestly, for every single 564 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: member from top to bottom, we're going to have more 565 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: high quality playing opportunities. And that's that's what I went 566 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: in there to fight for, and in a way that 567 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: I didn't expect, I think we came out with that result. Well. 568 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: A sign of intelligence is that you're willing to change 569 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: your mind when confronted with new information. So I salute 570 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: your ability to change course because that's not easy to do. 571 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: That takes a certain humility and an open mindedness that 572 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: a lot of us don't have. So I mean that 573 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: that's impressive. At Another sign of intelligence is deleting social media. 574 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: So Peter Monody, possibly the smartest man in golf, we've 575 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: established on this podcast. I will I will tell the 576 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: listeners that I promise Peter we'd keep this short because 577 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: it's almost nine o'clock on Orlando. He wants to put 578 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: his son to bed. And oh, by the way, you've 579 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: got the little golf tournant to play in bay Hill tomorrow, 580 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: so we're gonna let you go. Peter. You've been quite 581 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: a sport and a gent so thank you for doing this. 582 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: I think your thoughts are valuable to the golf fans 583 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: out there who are trying to make sense of this 584 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: changing landscape. So thinking the time, definitely yeah, And I'll 585 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: leave them with one message. It's it's this is hard, 586 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: hard because this is big change and this isn't what. 587 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: This isn't what I this isn't what I wanted to 588 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: see come out of this. But now that I know 589 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: the I know the details, and I know how how 590 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 1: this change will affect the PGA Tour, it's gonna make um, 591 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: it's going to make the The designated events obviously will 592 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: have you know, close close to one hundred percent attendants 593 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: from the top fifty players in the world. You know, 594 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: we'll miss a few, but close to two hundred percent tents. 595 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: So they're going to be they're going to be a spectacle, 596 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, eight times through out the season. We're going 597 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: to have that in addition to the majors. What this 598 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: is really really going to do is you know, last week, 599 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: for fans that watched UM Chris Kirk and Eric Cole 600 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: battle it out down the stretch, those two guys are 601 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: both ballooned out in the stretch, and the winner is 602 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: going to be exempted to the designated events for the 603 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: rest of the season. And the guy that finished the 604 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: second is certainly going to accrue enough points during that 605 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: swing to be in the next as a designated event. 606 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: And these events are going to be big enough and 607 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: fun enough and and cool enough that there's actually going 608 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: to be cool storylines from the events in between. So 609 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: the tour, the tour got more compelling yesterday, and honestly, 610 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: it really didn't even get I was worried that it 611 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: was going to get less fair. It didn't. It got 612 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: more compelling, more interesting. And yeah, it's gonna be harder 613 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: for the Peter mile mondage at the tour to be 614 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: in these designated events moving forward, But if I play 615 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: well enough, I'll be there, and so will Eric Cole, 616 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: and so will Joel Damon, and so will you know, 617 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: the rookie who just got his card. If they play 618 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: well enough, they can be in these designated events. And 619 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: so that's that system is is shockingly to me. It's 620 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: gonna be amazing and so let's go. Must be ready 621 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: for it. I love it all right. Well again, thank 622 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: of your time. That was pure ill naughty. This is 623 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: alan Ship Knock. There's another Fire Drill podcast and uh 624 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: we will keep bringing you the breaking news of the 625 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: golf world, which is fast and furious these days. So 626 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: thanks Peter for his time and thanks for listening. That's 627 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: the end. I bet big and I played the win, 628 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: made a fortune within my ship game. I ran the table, 629 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: never thought I could fall. Then the winter time hit 630 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: me like a cannon the ball and now I can't 631 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: shake this losing the stream. Every road I take is 632 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: a dead end stream. I got thoughts in my head, 633 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm 634 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: thinking about. I got thoughts in my head, can't get 635 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: them out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about.