WEBVTT - Consent w/ Tammy Blanchard 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:27.200 These are our stories done done? 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.080 Yay, that's messed up. In sview podcast, we are here. 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.479 My name is Lisa, my name is Kara. You know 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.320 what we do on this pod. It's SVU EPPS. It's 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:39.680 real crimes they're based on. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.919 It's interviews with actors from the show What's going on? 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.560 You are just back from an exciting little trip. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.800 I was in New Orleans doing shows. Thanks for everyone 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.640 that came out, and then I went on a swamp tour. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.560 But the funnest thing of all is I was there 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.600 during a jail break. I mean, only four have been apprehended. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.560 The convicts are free. Kara, do you not even know 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.160 anything about that? 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.320 Now? I don't even know what you're talking about. I 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:05.720 thought were gonna talk about the gator tour. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.280 Oh oh, I have to confirm if it's ten or eleven. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:15.600 But basically Shawshank style hole through the toilet ten convicts ran. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.760 The cameras are just them running into the streets and 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.280 during my shows, two were caught, so people's apple watches 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.520 were going off and it was like they were being 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.120 live apprehended. But to go to Bourbon Street is so silly, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.200 like everyone's like the facial recognition is so strong, especially 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.080 after the car like that terrorist attack. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.679 Like right, so, but six are still on the LAMB. 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.880 I got a text yesterday updating that a fourth had 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.880 been caught, but they wrote it was too easy, but 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.440 they spelled two with only one zero, so that was 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.760 kind of fun. And I wonder if afterwards they're seeing 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:56.560 the footage being like fuck. They also someone wrote I'm innocent, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.680 and then someone crossed it out and wrote we innocent. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.680 And there's drawings. But yeah, they like climbed out of 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.360 the toilet. They all work together and then scattered and 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.760 out of the toilet. Yeah, there's photos. There's photos. But 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.160 four of them are murderers. I don't know everyone else's charges, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.120 if they were like violent or non violin or what 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.959 their sentences are, but like four were in for murder. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.079 But honestly, everyone was cheering. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.640 I don't know if it's because mostly it's podcast listeners, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.079 but it's like people love of jail break. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.359 Yeah, I mean, what if there's a way to get 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:28.840 out of jail. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.680 You're going if you see a bunch of people going 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.920 out a hole in the jail, if you're following. The 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.960 New York Times calls their escape brazen, which is a 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.480 Nancy Grace word. I loved you. I'm watching a little 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.720 video right now. Oh my god, there's like so many 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:42.160 of them. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.359 Yeah, didn't I describe it well that they scattered? Yeah, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.239 they fucking ran. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.320 Yeah, Oh my god. And they're running across a fucking highway. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.200 They don't give up. Casey's moving the mic, Casey's moving 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:54.519 the mic. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.480 Well, Lisa, Lisa, I was gonna ask, have you heard 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.600 about the conspiracy that this is related to the haunted 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:01.560 Annabelle Doll? 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.320 Oh my god, cause the plantation burned too. Wait, I 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.520 know Annabelle's on tour. I didn't realize. Oh my god. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.560 They have been touring the haunted Annabelle Doll from the 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.919 Conjuring Verse, The actual, real life haunted Doll has been 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:22.120 touring through New Orleans and Louisiana. And during that time, 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.920 the jail break happened and a plantation burned down, and 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.600 people are saying it was Annabelle the evil Dolls. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:34.480 You gotta get raw Hernandez on the case. It's absolutely Annabelle. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.240 It is Annabel Roses who fucking told me about this 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.920 annabel tour yes, and was so Antiette. You have to 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:47.520 text Raws like I, oh my god, annabel is like 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.120 a down bitch. If it's just like you know, escape, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.080 I mean plantation burning is like pro good. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.000 Yeah, that's what everybody's saying. 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.720 People are saying now like, oh, bring this million to Jericho. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.880 Told me all about this. They're like, bring Annabelle to 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.640 Georgia to burn down our plantation. So they're like asking 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.640 for her to like tour around to do good. Ana, 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.240 this is amazing, so we do have a listener. I 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:15.480 met her after the show. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:16.160 Hello. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.000 She had fun colored hair, like a teal, a teal 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.919 blue green, fun fun gal. But her friend looked very preppy, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.400 very preppy, very old world money. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:29.640 I was like, where'd you go to school? And she 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:30.600 said North Carolina. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:35.080 I go, okay, okay, Like I don't know, it's like 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.080 a little bit. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.640 They didn't look congruent. I don't know if that's the 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.039 right word. That's a triangle. But she was like, started 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.000 to talk about your friend. If you're listening, but she 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.880 she was like the architecture though it's an architectural marvel, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.760 like it's so sad, and it was just like, yeah, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:54.719 I don't think it matters. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:55.400 I think this. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.720 I think the symbolic nature of it being built by 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:03.719 enslaved abuse humans, that this plantation has denied a reality 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.960 of like I don't there's other architecture. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.680 I don't care. I don't go to the coliseum. Yeah. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.800 It was so I bet there's other stuff and she goes, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.240 but the history, I go, you should be more concerned 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.359 that they're not teaching the history in schools, like it 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.240 doesn't matter the history of this plantation. And so it 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.800 was just kind of crazy Louisiana as well, because my 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.400 driver to the swamp she was definitely she shit talked 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:29.719 her way out of a giant tip. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:30.880 I like to tip, but. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:37.400 She she was not pro the convicts escaping, which is fine, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:38.039 which is fine. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.320 You know, I understand that she was in her seventies. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:45.520 But then she started talking about homeless people and I go, hey, baby, girl, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.400 you're losing you're losing your tip by the moment. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.960 but I saw this more like a woman who can't retire, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.400 So it was like really tough. But she she like 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.640 looked at a homeless person and was like, I wouldn't 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:58.400 be able to do that. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.480 I'm like, yeah, I don't. I don't think he's like 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.080 I can't wait to do that. Like I don't know. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.560 I just it's like a weird thing to say to me, Like, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.960 I bet they like the heat and the hot concrete. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.600 I go, what are you Like? This is weird? 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.120 She goes, they'll come here for the great weather. I go, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.320 I'm sure people are dying every day on the streets here. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.840 This is the worst weather I've ever been to. Oh 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.960 my god, weird. I don't know why I harped on that. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.520 I had a really good time, but there is something 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.479 where like I just don't think i'd hang out with 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:29.000 people up here that would be like pro the plantation keeping. 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.440 Yeah, I just that was just shocked. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.720 I don't know, it's like, yeah, it's shocking to hear 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.840 anybody really take a stand for architecture. Like it's just 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.680 like it's really just I guess the last time I 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.599 heard that was when Notre Dome Notre Dame was on fire. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.800 People were like, oh, it's our architecture. Not so much 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.760 a plantation, yea. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.200 Because I don't know who built that. I don't know 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.280 about it. I know about the punchback, you know what 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:54.080 I mean, Like, I don't know. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.160 I've been seeing mocked up Juneteenth T shirts with that 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.360 plantation burning in the background. I hope they I hope 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.760 people have some fun with Canba. Well, it's totally Annabelle. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.240 It's totally Annabelle. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:12.480 And she is yeah, yeah, brazen escape. That is a 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:13.040 fun word. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.240 But like Nancy Grace would always be like, did you 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.480 not brazen? Lace take this toddler from his mother, Like 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.560 she would always talk about brazen. So I love brazen, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.480 But damn girl, I didn't even know about that. I 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.000 just thought we were gonna hear about the swamp tour. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:30.880 How was the swamp tour? 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.640 It was really cool it you were on one of 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.040 those votes with the big fans in the back. No, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.920 we did go fast, but it's more long. It was 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.040 like fifteen of us. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.320 I would say, like, and it's bench seats, so you 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:50.160 sit long bench vibes. And we did go really fast 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.360 at times, but then we'd slow down, and you know, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.760 he was he did say like, this isn't a zoo, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.960 this is nature, so you'll see what you see. Yeah, 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:03.120 they the animals know that the boats bring marshmallows. And 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.000 I asked about the marshmallows. I go, why marshmallows? And 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.240 he said, well, they used to feed them hot dogs, 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.480 but they'd get too full and then they would leave. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.720 And they need the crocs that gators there. It's very specific, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.840 so they need the gators to come out. So we're excited, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.600 you know, we're there for the gators. Yeah, so a 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.440 biologist came. So this biologist and everything's a biologist. So 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.760 it's called Doctor Wagner's Honey Island Swamp Tour, and doctor 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.160 Wagner is like a biologist. Like this is made by 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.040 like a science guy who loves nature, you know. And 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.760 I feel bad that I started talking about the driver immediately. 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.800 I really enjoyed this tour and she had cool stories. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.360 I mean, and the ride is fifty five minutes outside 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.280 of New Orleans, so she talks about like all the 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.160 neighborhoods we passed and all the Katrina stuff. Like it's 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.040 really like a historical and ecological tour as well. And 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.559 like this guy on the boat was talking about pirates 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.000 and like fun stuff. But Anyways, the biologists said, marsh 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.840 shmellows give them a boost of energy, but it's it's 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.480 like they like it for that, but they're not going 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.600 to get full, so they'll keep on floating by. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.000 So it was exciting. It's cool to see that. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.280 I love a croc oh wait, an alligator excuse me 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.960 on a little sugar a little sugar high like my 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.400 children after ice cream. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.440 Yeah, then like little raccoons come out too, and there 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.760 were really cool birds and I saw, oh my god, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.760 I saw two turtles jump off a log, and I'm like, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.800 this is what life's about. And then there's like little 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.040 I would I guess it's rude to call them shacks, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.920 but it's like these little homes on this river, yeah, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.200 you get one for thirty thirty thousand dollars. But the 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.680 gators are cool, the raccoons are cute. Like you checked 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.280 out the real estate, how. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.880 Did you know they were thirty k well, I told us, yeah, okay. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.760 It's just homes are thirty thousand dollars. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.360 He was telling us about the updates and permits because 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.440 when people started asking questions, yeah, like everyone had questions, 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.440 and he's like, the water's not dirty, it's sedimentary rock. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.640 It's like Philip, you know. It was cool, but the 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.720 gators are definitely small. They were not threatening to look at, 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.320 Like I wasn't as scared as I thought I was 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.720 gonna be. They're really like cute and little, but they 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.839 definitely have the devil in their eyes, you know what 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.840 I mean when they swim by like they don't really 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.760 there's they're soulless creatures. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.920 For sure, even if they're hot for marshmallows and that's it. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.040 Rosie got to hold a little baby alligator in Florida 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.040 named Rose, and she was really pumped about that that 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.880 they had almost the same name. But her little mouth 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.680 was like rubber banded shut, so she didn't, you know, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:39.439 bite any kids. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.760 And I saw a snake and I saw one snake, 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.120 and then we saw an eagle's nest built on a 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.120 power line. And since they're like endangered, if the power 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.880 people have to do anything, they have to have biologists 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.679 and he come and wash them so they don't disturb 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.200 the eagle's nest. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:02.040 Oh yeah, like it was cool. I really precious about eagles. 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.720 We're really we're very precious about eagles in this country. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:09.400 Really beautiful, but but I just liked being a part 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.120 of an ecosystem. I guess, like it wasn't zoo like, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.079 and I like kind of just the moments of floating 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:21.360 into the trees and grass and moss and like, I 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.520 don't know, it felt really cool to see the raccoons, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.760 see the croc, see the gator, see the gator. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:28.199 You know, like they're just. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.360 Living then, just be in nature, because like a zoo 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.320 is great, but yeah, we're they're also selling hot cotton candy. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.920 You know, it's like not exactly the same experience. And 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.240 there's also they're always protesting at the zoo and it 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:42.280 makes me feel better. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.720 Than going in there. At the La Zoo. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.840 They are but apparently they're getting rid of the elephants 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.040 at the zoo, and I feel like that might have 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.520 been what they're getting rid of the elephants at the 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:50.080 La Zoo. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.439 I feel like elephants I can agree with, like elephants, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.080 orcas off. 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:59.360 There's certain animals. I'm like, yeah, like stop it. I 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.160 forgot what they're with them. They maybe moving them to 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.720 San Diego or something. But they're moving these these elephants 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.200 out of the LA Zoo, and I feel like that 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.640 was what people were protesting about. So maybe the protesters won. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.880 Oh wait, I wanted to give a movie review. 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.600 All right, I'm ready you see? Are you ready for 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:16.400 my movie review? 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:16.520 What? 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.520 No ideers? Jared said. He thinks it's too much for me. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:20.760 He said, he think, did you see it? 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.680 No, I'm gonna find I'm finally in town for a 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.720 couple of weeks and I'm gonna do like a solo Sinners. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.320 Yeah, man, I want to go see Friendship. I really 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.320 want to go see Tim Robinson's movie with Paul Rudd 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.840 called Friendship. I think that looks really fucked up and cool, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.280 but I don't want to go to the violence. Although 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.800 Sinners is getting to that point where, like like the substance, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.440 where everyone's talking about it so much that I'm like, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.480 should I just watch it? But he said he thought 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.560 I would not like the violence. But we watched The Apprentice, 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.760 the movie that Sebastian Stan plays Donald Trump and Jeremy 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.840 Strong plays Roy Kohane, and it was really good. Like, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.160 I know, nobody wants any extra Donald Trump in their 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.920 life right now, but Sebastian Stan is excellent playing Trump, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.840 like he is totally He's very good at playing him 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.400 like in the seventies when he was a different person 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.600 or whatever, all the way up to like well maybe 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.959 not maybe actually way earlier than the seventies, maybe like 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.280 the sixties or something like that, when he start well 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.480 his like just not a different person. You don't empathize 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.560 with him or anything or sympathize with him, but you 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.160 he's just not doing this Saturday Night Live like like 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.720 like imitation that we're all used to about Donald Trump, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.400 Like it's just you see how it grows over time, 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.200 Like he does such a good job, like with how 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.080 at the beginning he's just a fucking greedy businessman, but 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.320 you see how like he gets blown up or even 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.320 when he's going bankrupt and even when he had like 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:53.200 has all these people, like he's still Roy Cone taught 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.679 him all these principles, which were like always attack, never admit, 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.480 never admit that you're wrong, never admit defeat. Like he 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.560 has these three principles that he tells him, and the 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.840 first one is attack, attack, attack, and like before so 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.720 you meet him before he like meets Roy and uh, 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.080 I just didn't know the story of Roy Kane either, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.400 Like I didn't know. I mean, obviously it's a biopic, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.560 so some of it might be bent or whatever. I 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.280 was like, I probably don't want to watch anyth about him, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.440 but I was really impressed Sebastian Stan, like kind of 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.120 he as good as Jeff Gluley or whatever in Itania, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.160 but he hasn't really like done anything that I've been like. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.440 Oh wow, that guy and this. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.120 I was like, he's really good in this, like he's 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.800 really excellent and fuck man, you just kind of watch 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:36.960 the Creation of the Monster. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.000 It's fucked up, but I liked it. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.280 Yes, Sebastian Stan is just someone I refuse to learn, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.280 Like anytime he's in any of my movie games, I go, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.600 I guess I'm not winning that today because I can't. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.440 I can't learn another new person, like I'm sorry, I 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.240 will not learn Jeffrey Wright's catalog, Like I just can't. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.080 Yeah, he has like Sebastian Stan like also to me, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.160 even I just googled him, there's three fo it was 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:01.720 of him where I think he looks completely different in 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.800 every photo, Like he just has kind of a malleable face, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.160 like a Gary Oldman situation where I feel like you 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.360 can just like change the chameleon type face, you know. Wait, 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.520 update from Roz. I go Annabelle bringing chaos to Louisiana. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:22.720 She goes, I want her publicist. Annabel's press door is sleighing, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.680 We're freeing the prisoners, We're burning the plantation. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.400 Out of course it's Annabelle. I just feel stupid. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.840 I didn't think about that sooner I doll tour, I 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.520 mean because Roz was like I would never because I 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.720 would never be in the presence of that doll of. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.400 Annabel So wait, are people buying tickets to just go 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:43.400 see the doll? 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.120 Yeah? Yeah, people. I bet people are traveling. I mean 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:47.440 people are sick. I don't know. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.920 Wow, wow, No, I'm sure Sebastian stan is very talented 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.360 and he's obviously a good looking man. It's just like 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.320 my brain is tapped out, like I know, it's just 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.960 not it's not even it's it's all too much. And 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.280 there's a new draggers. Do you haven't watched Love Hotel yet? 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:06.640 It all you've you've resigned? 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.480 I have it on my DVR, I dvr at it 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.320 and I've got it, but I haven't watched it. I 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.120 have been so crazy lately. I have not watched a 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.720 television show. Last night, I watched two of the new SVUS, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.000 like of the current season, because I'm trying to catch up. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.880 And that was as far as I. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.400 Have been able to get with any personal television in 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:26.200 the past two weeks. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.680 Like I don't know what's going on. I just don't 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:28.040 have time. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.080 I watched all of Overcompensating, and I would like to say, like, 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.440 Holmes is incredible. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.160 I have already seen the memes and I am so 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.080 excited to watch over Compensating. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:44.480 It's like she just slays them away that this is. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:49.480 This is Benito Skinner's comedy that is on Amazon. Guys, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.320 you should all watch it. It's called Overcompensating. It's got 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.880 Mary Beth Burn Holmes, a bunch of people that are 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.239 super funny. But Holmes is getting like the meme treat 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.800 yeah she is, yeah, like they have like a lot 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:09.000 of quotable lines. I guess, yeah, but uh. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.960 Actually it was just like really really fun yeah, and 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.240 it was an easy watch. So I had a good 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.840 time with that. And then like drag Race this time 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.120 flying or standing still. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.520 Like what I have watched my drag Race. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.879 I don't know anything, but outside of TV, I'm like, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:25.639 am I living? 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.560 Like where am I what am I doing? What have 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.479 I seen? What have I ate? 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:30.840 Like? 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.760 What is going on in life? Yeah? 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.639 I literally took my kids to go see The Fox 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.720 on the Hound at Quentin Tarantino's theater the New Beverly 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.200 On over the weekend and was like, I'm not even 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.600 seeing new movies. I'm seeing I'm watching shit from nineteen 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.000 seventy seven or yeah. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.119 But when was the last time I watched Fox in 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.000 the Hound, Like, I don't think I've seen that, Like 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.840 I've seen it once in my life, and that's that. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.000 You know, it's on Disney Plus. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:58.720 And I was like controversial opinion, like I know Quentin 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.960 Tarantino's theater, it's my husband's theater. Like everybody's obsessed because 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.359 it's everything's on film. I do believe that there is 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.520 a value to watching things on film live action. When 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.439 you're watching old animation, you're like, this looks better on 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.000 my TV. They've cleaned it up, like on a film, 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.679 there's just a bunch it just looks like the screen 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.560 is dirty. And then it's like a two o'clock Fox 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.080 on the Hound and this one kid like is making 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.480 like a repetitive like banging sound like probably banging on 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.680 his seat and some there were a lot of adults 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.480 at this movie with no children with them, and that's 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.280 totally fine if you want to go see an old 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.639 Disney classic, but it is a two o'clock Fox in 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:32.840 the Hound, I think you have to be a little 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.919 bit chill. And somebody just went, oh, come on, like 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.919 somebody's just screamed into the darkness that this kid was 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.280 making this noise. And I was like one of those 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.240 moments where I was like, it's not my kid. Thank god, 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.680 it didn't even register for me that theme in mine. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.560 I would have stopped they did. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.680 Yeah, I mean Kay's seat repetitively is not like discomfort. 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.080 Like I feel like if a kid is showing discomfort 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.920 or excitement, that's different than this bitch is banging Stop 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.440 your kid, Yeah, yeah, stop that little kid. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.160 You can't be no, Absolutely absolutely I was. I wasn't 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:07.800 at the Fox and the Houn. I would have hit him. 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:08.639 I probably would have. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.480 I probably would have gone up to the mom and gone, 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.240 can you ask him to stop? Rather than screaming angrily 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.840 into the darkness. But I definitely would have said something 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.680 because that's like I didn't hear it like enough, probably 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.159 because I was getting my kids popcorn and doing whatever. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.679 But uh, I did eventually hear it, and then I 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.440 heard the scream. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.359 Oh, I will say my flight back from New Orleans 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.200 was delayed for two hours, and we were like sitting 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.800 on the plane and I the pilot. She was like 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.040 the most beautiful pilot I've ever seen in my life. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.040 She was so nice. 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.400 And then she actually walked up the flight to make 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.439 sure everyone heard the announcement and handed out the trading cards. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.000 And it's one hundred year anniversary of a trading card 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.960 that or seventy or something like that. But I don't 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.359 even I've never had that card. So I also got it. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.320 What are the trading cards? I didn't a doubt that 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:58.240 trading cards do. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.159 Do you know? I'm collecting them? And I have talked 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:00.880 about it a lot. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.720 You have, Yes, I talk about it often, to the 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.320 point where I was talking about it with tone Bell 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.679 and I showed him a photo and he goes, so, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:08.880 is this where your life's at? 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.879 And I was like, it is. Wait, what's on a 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.119 trading card? What's on one? Show you? I'll show you. Okay, 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:16.280 Now you feel. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.080 Like I'm like jog my memory because now I feel 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:23.560 like I'm actually going crazy. Okay, okay, so each plane, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.200 I guess I can go grab him. I also have 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.880 an Olympics one too, because they were the official partner, 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.240 so that felt important. But each plane has one, so 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.240 it's like an A one, you know, three whatever, seven 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.080 eighty seven, So each plane has one, and the pilots. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.920 Have them, and you got to go ask or what Yeah, 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:41.720 well that's what I mean. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.240 But she just walked up and I was like, oh 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.359 my god, and it's one I don't have, and she 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.359 was so incredible, like she was truly I have to 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.440 write an email actually because she was like my favorite. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:52.880 Pilot I've ever had. I love. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:58.679 Usually I enter the planes and I asked the flight attendant, 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.040 oh can I ask the pilot for a card? And 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.480 then they get excited, and then the pilots get really 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:07.479 excited and then I ask for one, and then they 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.640 go I think I have one, and then they dig in. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.600 Their backpacks and like, give me a card. 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.000 And then two times ago a guy goes, well, they're 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:15.760 five dollars now because people are selling them, and I 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.800 thought he was being k like kidding, but then I 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.520 don't know, but he gave it to me but he 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:22.280 said that the pilots have to pay for them now, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:23.520 and I'm like, there's no fucking way. 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.400 This bitch was really hand in am I. 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.200 I have to be honest, like, I don't think I've 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.200 ever heard about this. Yeah, she's talking about. 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.199 This on the podcast. See I have right because you 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.960 know about this or has this really never happened? 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:35.520 I don't. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.160 I honestly, I don't have a memory of the cards. 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:39.960 Oh my god. 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.240 I feel like I always talk about the two, like 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:43.560 the same things over and over. 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.119 So I'm like shocked. But because I also had a 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:47.200 moment where I walked. 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:48.520 And asked a flight attime, I was like, hey, can 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.640 I ask the pilot? And she goes, I'm the pilot 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.800 and I go absolutely, And so it sucks when you 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.160 you know your own biases coming. 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.239 When did this start for you? Because I've been on 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.000 flights with you, I don't remember seeing you. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:04.040 I could tell you the exact time it started. It 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.239 was December seventh and I was flying to Cincinnati and 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.359 we were delayed, and so when I got to go 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:13.879 in the cockpit and take photos and like learn a 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.119 lot and press buttons and stuff, he gave me a 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:18.680 card and so that started. 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:20.600 I got it this past December. 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.840 Okay, yeah, so yeah, it's a new thing, and I 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:28.800 probably have like twelve I would say right now, and 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.720 then summer repeats, but there are holographic and like glittery, 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:34.399 and they have facts about the plane. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.359 If someone has a repeat, you just go, oh, no thanks, 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:37.960 or did you take it? 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:38.400 Anyway. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:40.399 That's why I stopped asking so much. And then I 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.480 was so excited. She was just passing them out and 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.600 Hannah it was actually like obviously we were delay two hours, 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:47.640 so I was annoyed, and then the jet bridge took 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.119 so long. I did have to like go through people 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:52.880 to pee on the plane again, like it was kind 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.000 of like but it's still an enjoyable flight. So I'm 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:56.439 supposed to have a middle seat, and I get to 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.320 my row and it's a couple that wanted to sit together, 0:22:59.359 --> 0:22:59.960 so I got to. 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:01.920 They were playing the game. They were trying the trick. 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:03.680 I told you about the trick. 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:06.480 Yeah, no, it didn't work. 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.800 The stuffed well also in comfort, it's never gonna work 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.040 because people are being upgraded. So that was their plan, 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.120 Like silly, of course I'm going to be in there. 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.640 But yeah, I was a couple just zonked out because 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.200 I was zonked out on my phone the whole flight. 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.560 It was actually really stupid, but I scrolled for hours. 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.960 I could not put it down. And then the couple 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.359 next thing was Fox News the whole time. I'm like, 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.879 I guess it's like the spectrum of brain rot. Yeah yeah, 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.640 but anyways, Yeah, I'm getting the trading cards. The pilots 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.520 get really excited that you want one and that you're involved, 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:39.800 because I heard they all have not this girl, she 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:41.919 was magic, but they all have God complexes, you know, 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.720 and so and they have to. I mean, your uncle, 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:46.760 not to talk shit about him, but I'm sure he's 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:48.040 got an ego, you know what I mean. 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.280 I mean, he's a pretty great guy, but I would 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.520 like maybe he's friends with your girl, because like he's 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:54.720 really like just such. 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:56.440 A home I was eating sandwiches. 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.920 He was like, I never really acts like I mean, 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.879 but I know what you're saying. I think pilots, pilots, surgeons, 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.520 men in those kind of careers think that they are God. 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.119 Yeah, you have to put one flight attendant in a 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:11.040 shuttle to the hotel. Once told me, she goes they 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.440 all have got complex but she goes. But they need 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.520 that because they're flying us, like we need them to 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.680 think they're superhuman, you know, like that they're a badass 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.440 because all of our lives are in their hands. So 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:23.840 I guess, like if you're going to be a dick, 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.920 it's fine, Like I don't care, Like attendant, I don't care. 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:29.280 And I guess if you're gonna like take my heart 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.000 out and put in a new one, sure you can 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:31.360 be God. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.479 Yeah, exactly, like they're going to be a surgeon. 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.200 I don't need you to be a well human being, 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.680 like get up in me and cut things out, not 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:40.680 on what I hope I never have to do surgery. 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:45.800 Yes, you're watching new New Drag Race right or you haven't. 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.960 I haven't yet. How many episodes are we in Jesus, 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:50.639 I don't know. Time is weird. 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.359 Maybe three, Like we're about to made a new crop, 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:57.520 you know, because they're doing the brackets. But Dasia went 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.400 to Mexico. I'm pretty sure is Mexico. But she went 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.200 and had weight loss surgery and ended up being a 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:03.120 giant disaster. 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:04.280 She fully regrets it. 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.000 She was like ill for weeks at a time, like 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.080 her body did not react to it, and it was 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.760 just like a nightmare. Oh no, it's like a yeah, 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:14.639 she's like I wish I had never done this. I 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.400 mean she looks great, She's always looked great. But yeah, 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:21.639 I guess I almost died. Yeah, almost died. Oh my god. 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:22.360 Yeah. 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.720 I don't know everyone's going, but she probably thought, like 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.639 everyone's going to Mexico to do this. Everyone's going to 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.080 Turkey to get their teeth done, and people are going. 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:31.040 To places to get their hair plug. 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.560 Surgery surgery even in the US, like surgery is I 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:38.320 don't know, elective surgery is scary because having surgery sucks. 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:43.560 It's like, I don't know, recovery sucks, Like I just like, yeah, 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.280 I mean that's the price you pay for all the 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.080 fun stuff in life. Like I would love to get 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.560 tons of surgery, I guess, but like, I'm not doing 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.720 a recovery. And I talked to someone who got the 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.560 hair plug thing, and it's like you have to take 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:54.480 baths and massa. 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:55.879 There's so many steps. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.159 I'm like, I don't want to be like having to 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.640 lotion my scars in a chice bandage sitting. 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:02.280 I can't. 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.480 I can't, I can't, Like I'd rather just deal with 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:10.080 whatever my I think about myself than go under them. 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:11.520 It's just scary for me. 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:12.760 Maybe it's also because I had to have a lot 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.399 of surgeries as a kid or something, but like, yeah, 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:17.720 I don't know, it's just and my parent I've seen 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.840 my parents have all these you know, medical disasters. I 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.760 guess I just associate it with disaster. So it's like 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:25.400 it's not a fun thing. 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.880 I don't think anyone. Yeah, it's awful, like, but some. 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.480 People are down, like some people are getting plastics or yes, 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.359 all the time. Like most celebrities we know are under 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.440 the knife constantly. We don't see the scars and they're 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:41.399 bouncing back. So but I wonder they but they can 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.160 hire people to like roll them over and clean their wounds. 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:44.639 I don't know. 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.720 I just I can't. Yeah, because even remy mad. She 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.520 was on Chloe Kardashian's podcast and I did listen to. 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:53.959 I don't know if you know her. She was like 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.000 a plus size influencer. People got mad because she went 0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:58.520 a horseback riding and they told her she was too 0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:00.320 fat to be on the horse, and like everyone fun 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.879 of her. Okay, so that was like a but that 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.520 was years ago. She's like I'm known for whatever. She 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:08.240 would put on outfits and like it was real life, 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.520 like try ons for like weddings or whatnot, and she'd 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:12.960 be like, I look on her, I look bad and 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.359 then she's whatever. Her weight would fluctuate, but then in 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:20.439 the past year she like lost tons of weight but 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.400 refused to talk about it. So she was this plus 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.600 size influencer and then dropped probably like I don't know 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.919 how much weight she's lost, but she looks different. But 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.119 anyone that talked to her was like inquiring about it. 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:32.919 She would block, like she was like, I don't ow 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.679 you shit, leave me alone and get I get it, 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.720 because if you were someone that fluctuates and you don't 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.360 want people knowing your business, I get where she's coming from. 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:43.040 But it's like, this is also your career. Yeah, But 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.800 so she went on Chloe Kardashian to reveal the truth. 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:49.560 So I did listen to that episode, but she like, 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.359 so she got a gastric sleeve or bipa whatever a 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.600 gas strik surgery is. But she has to take twenty 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.080 vitamins every single day for the rest of her life. 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.040 And she has seen one hundred and twenty grams of 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:01.080 protein every single day. 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.879 Oh my god, I drink chicken. 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.800 So it is like you say, you know, it's like 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.800 nothing is an easy fix, right, it seems like but 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.520 the idea is I can't take vita of it. I 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:15.800 don't want I can't do that now, Like the steak's 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.359 being that high. That's why people, I think, gain weight. 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:17.560 Again. 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:21.919 You're supposed to be really careful about drinking and addictions transferring, 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.800 and I guess a lot of people get really injured 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.080 after these surgeries because they become alcoholics. 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.760 Oh god, yeah. 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.439 It's like I don't know, it's just really it's just 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.960 really wild. I'm not like educated on any of it. 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.080 If I'm wrong about stuff, but just hearing her on 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.840 this podcast, feel like I have to take twenty vitamins 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:40.400 a day, I'm like, yeah, I'm ow like I would 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.520 never do any surgery, Like I don't want to. I 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:46.560 just can't imagine having to surgery. Yeah, because it's. 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.520 Still that's really I didn't want to have a sea 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.760 section because and I mean people have sea sections every day, 0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:54.600 but I was like, it is a major surgery. I 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.520 think people don't treat it like that, probably because it 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:57.360 only affects women. 0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.960 But like it is a major cutting you open because 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.400 I knew someone that had to have that. 0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:04.840 And like what we kept talking about was like what 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.720 if you're a single mom and no one's helping you. 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.000 You can't even carry your fucking baby and you're in 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:14.160 stomach sert I can't like fuck everything that we do not, 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.719 I don't know, see sections are insane. Yeah, and then 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:19.640 you and then you hear the horror stories of what 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.840 Instagram usually is feeding down my fucking neck of my throat. 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:29.560 I mean, but like, uh go make me a roast, 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:30.280 you know, like. 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.320 Why aren't you making stuff like bounce This idea of 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.280 bounced back or like you're my wife, you have to 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.240 fuck me now is like so crazy. When you think 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.840 about babies coming out of a human after being grown, 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.600 it's just like nuts. We haven't even talked about fucking Atlanta. 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.760 We haven't even talked about the woman being fucking kept 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:52.440 alive as an incubator. Oh my, global styles so disgusting. 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.840 It's so disgusting, like this baby and the like the 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.320 baby's not the fetus is not viable. 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.400 I don't think it's this is a nightmare. This is 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:02.120 just experimenting on black man. 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:08.240 It's like it's truly never ending the horrors of the country. 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:13.640 But yeah, yeah whatever, but you know as as yeah, 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:18.360 get get Annabel to DC, throw over the. 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.120 Game about yeah, hang out right on that like. 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.760 A grenade, just fucking T shirt cannon into the rose garden. 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.280 Let's do it. Oh my god, Annabel is going to 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.120 be the solution to all of our problems. Let's get going. 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:36.520 We've got a good one for you guys. 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.920 All right, we are doing Consent, Season two, episode ten. 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:43.320 We're going way back. 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.560 What a thrill, Consent, And I feel like someone in 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.960 Congress is trying to take that away. Bring it to 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.160 the sansual, bring it to the States. Consent has to 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.920 be brought to the States. It's like insane. 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:01.840 Yeah, yeah, a sixteen old in Arkansas might believe differently 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:03.600 than a sixteen year old in Oregon, and we need 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:04.280 to respect that. 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:09.080 Okay, there's dorks running through a college campus. It's a 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.560 guy in a gal They're talking about study groups, and 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.239 they also like hate the homeless. They're like, ugh, that 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.520 bum again, probably fertilizing the bushes. 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:17.840 And it's like he doesn't have a home. Where do 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.160 you wanted to piss? Like in your mouth? Fuck? 0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.600 Off, so they do say hi, and they do know 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.400 his name, so maybe it's not that ad a serial 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.719 of a relationship. They're like Harry, but then and they 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.480 run towards him. He runs off, but there's groaning. It's 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:35.520 a woman in the bushes. She's not doing well, contorted 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.920 body but alive, and we're at the hospital quick. She's 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.000 a student at Hanford University, which kind of died out quick. 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.480 Like I don't remember Hanford really I thought that too. 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:48.080 I was like, oh, interesting, because like we move on 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.600 pretty quick to Hudson, and then it's usually Hudson or 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.280 you know, University of New York. I feel like maybe 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.680 they've done or like they've done ones that are Hunter 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.640 all the timeunter but maybe not three two Hunter. Yeah, 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.800 but but and then Hanford. I was like, damn, okay, Yeah, 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:08.440 I just never really heard of it. 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:11.040 But it feels like a Columbia like looking at it, 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.480 like that's what I envisioned, anything that's a full campus 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.800 like and want to use very into the city. 0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.280 I feel like Columbia has a campus. 0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.680 It's pretty much I would say, the only place that 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:29.000 you're going to go see what you immediately telegraph as college, 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.000 like greens and like quads is Columbia, I. 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:32.800 Feel in New York. 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:34.800 Yeah, I don't really know if there's because you know, 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.800 there's Pratt. There's all these kinds of schools, but they 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:37.760 are very urban. 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:42.120 Yeah. 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.520 So at seven am early, there's alcohol in her breath, 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.640 semi conscious, no panties, and we're getting an update from 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:49.520 a uniformed cop. 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.400 And this feels very early seasons. 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:53.920 I feel like medical staff usually fills in our crew 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:54.720 at the hospital. 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.720 But so, did you love what an actor this cop was? 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.760 Like her diction was perfect, Like the girl is getting 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.920 seen right now by the doctor like she was just 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.640 had like the most like perfect diction. I go, they 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.560 got this girl right out of acting. 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:12.239 School, Like she's pumped. I did not catch that. But 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:13.480 we meet the doc. 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.480 He has a beard, he's vague on the details, but 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.960 all classic signs of essay and she but she's refusing 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.560 a rape kit and he's hoping that the detectives can help. 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.760 So we do a black light situation and we're truly rubbing, 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.040 like swabbing remnants have come off her stomach. Right, Yeah, 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.160 they're showing it. It's like pretty wild for prime time. 0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.120 And then they try to give her a pill that'll 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.800 prevent pregnancy. So I guess he came everywhere. I don't know, 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:44.440 like pretty crazy. She's really upset. There's seemen, no condom, 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.960 there is rape. She's crying. She's upset about all the news. 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:50.600 She keeps crying, saying no, I can't even like with 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.200 the mention of taking the pills to prevent STDs, like 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.040 it's all just too much for her and she cannot 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.760 handle it. Benson calls her sweetheart and says she doesn't 0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.480 have to decide right now, but the doc is like, 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.240 but day are two max or like none of these 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.360 pills will work. So then she says, you don't understand 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.400 I was a virgin, and then she's gripping Benson's hand 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.359 and we roll into the credits. So now we're talking 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:13.400 to Dana Kimball, her roommate, who arrives at the hospital 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.040 to bring her fresh clothes, and then she's chatting with 0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.880 Stabler and it's Michelle fucking Monahan. Are you kidding? I 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.000 don't think it think for me that Michelle Monahan was 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.279 ever even in SVU. I don't have a memory of her. 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.399 I don't have a memory. I know this episode. I 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.000 was excited. It's cool to be able to see someone 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.799 over decades. She just looks so young. It's really like 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.120 a fresh face. Yeah, young girl. 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.080 She looks so pretty and yeah, like such a little 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:40.800 college student. 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.440 And so basically, she was out with some sorority sisters. 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.760 This is what we find out about from the roommate. 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.439 She was out with Tess and Jodi at a frat 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.600 house party. They left while she was still partying at 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.680 one thirty, so everyone left. She's alone there at one 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.160 thirty in the morning, and she was with Joe Templeton. 0:34:58.239 --> 0:34:59.880 And I always think of Templeton, the rat from s 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.120 Charlotte's Web every that's the Templeton of my heart. 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.800 There's another Templeton for me. No, and then Hank Ludlow 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.759 and the guys are the guys she stayed out with. 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.759 Stablor asks her if they're her friends, and she's like, well, 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.560 I wouldn't call it friends. Joe had a thing for her, 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:17.680 but she shut him down, and he won't stop going 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.680 after her, but she's not interested because he's a player. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.080 She got worried when she didn't come home last night 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.759 because she knows the line, and you know, she knew 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.839 something was wrong. So Benson comes to meet Stabler with 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:33.040 some bad news. So basically, there's tears, there's semen, but 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:38.000 she's still really vague on the details. Not tears, tears, Okay, 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.719 hold on. So Benson comes to me. I was like, 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:42.960 why would that be evidence? 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:44.719 And then I was like, I guess that episode with 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.920 the tissues, but with the tissues, but this is tears, 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:49.600 which is all right, we could leave it in, and 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.880 we'll leave it in. Yeah, it's tears, not tears and semen. 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.920 So her blood alcohol is still point oh four. But 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:58.920 let's not go, you know, so we gotta have we 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.239 gotta go talk to these and see how she ended 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:03.759 up in the bushes. And now we meet Gordie, who 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:05.680 we used to not care about but now we've really 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.120 mentioned him a few times, and he's an early CSU 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:12.279 tech and he is fighting with campus police. So munch 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.320 in Finner approaching them and they're like talking shit and 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.440 they're being the cutest and they're like, oh, campus Fuzz 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.640 wants to clear the crime scene and you know, telling 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.840 him to hurry up, and the pedestrians are arriving. Ten 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.720 thousand students will be in the quad by nine am. 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.440 There's no fucking way at nine am there's gonna be 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.480 a parade of ten thousand students. 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.920 Well that bumped me too because I was like, I 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.440 think of ten thousand students at like big state schools, 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.799 like I don't. I mean, yeah, even if that many 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.640 kids go there, they're not a bigger than Radio City. 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:51.040 So like, imagine a full Radio City music hall that 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.719 would be a parade on campus. Like this guy is 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:58.160 crazy ten thousand students, Okay, Now, like Columbia has an 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.799 undergrad of ninety seven hundred and then there's obviously more 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:03.720 grad students they don't even usually like live on campus. 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.000 But you're saying basically every single undergrad is going to 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:08.600 be up and on the quad at nine am whatever. 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:09.960 That is, no dude. 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.479 And so he's like, you guys are looking for God, 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.319 and you guys are just looking for god knows what. 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.400 And they're like, it's a crime scene, Barney, they're looking 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.200 for evidence and that's iced tea. And the man goes, 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.960 my name's Monroe, Detective, and it's like, yeah, they know 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.120 they're calling you a purple dinosaur, you fucking idiot. He says, 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.879 crime scene or not, this is private property. And he's 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:33.960 talking about the price of the shrubs, and it's like, 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.360 why do you care about the price of shrubs? In 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.600 what world? Who cares how much the shrubs are? This 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.279 is crazy. A woman has been found into the bushes, like, 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.200 I don't understand this man at all, and Munch goes, well, 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.640 I can arrest you for obstructing justice if you'd like so, and. 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:51.040 Then and then they're like, I bet. 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:52.919 The university is going to pay for your bail, right 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.360 because you care so much about the bush price, And 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:59.120 he backs down and says make it quick. So what 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.640 does Gordy have? Gordy finds a used condom, a handbag 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.120 with victim's hairbrush and ID and a scarf, and Finn 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:10.640 loves the scarf. He goes, wow, styling. So we go 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:15.200 talk to the joggers next. So basically she did. They 0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.760 said that like she kept repeating a name Josh or John. 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.680 So they also let the detectives know about Harry, and 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.080 so then they go to find Harry. 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.480 He's you know, he lives in the streets. 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.600 He's eating out of the trash and Munch screams, you 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:32.799 want some syrup for those flapjacks? Slappy, and I kind 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:36.840 of like that, and he goes running, but it's like 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:39.960 I would run to if someone called me slappy, and also. 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:41.680 Like why are we beating? Like the guy's eating. 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:46.680 Under the trash, you know, like yeah, slappy whatever. So 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.600 the chase time they get him, he has her wallet. 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.279 They arrest him for a possession of stolen property. So 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.360 we're in woodroom blinds and they're not turning on the lights. 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:56.240 It's so dark. 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.200 The sun's so dark like light, there's a light is 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:00.640 peeking through the blinds. 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:01.919 It is so dark in this room. 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.680 Sailor's being a little aggressive, I feel, and not as 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.279 soft as I would like to this clearly traumatized woman 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.880 who's like finally ready to like open up. But then 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.080 I watched the scene two more times and he actually 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.440 was fine. He just set down a paper cup and says, 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:15.760 so take us through it, Kelly. 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:17.600 I don't know how. 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.480 I feel like I just don't like his energy, but 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.239 I don't know if I'm looking too deep into it, 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.400 and he is chill, like I'm not sure, but it 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:25.360 made me mad at first. 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.120 So then finally she's ready to talk. She says. 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.280 Jody testing her left the house at nine pint thirty 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.800 to go to the College Keg. It's a bar near campus, 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.440 and that's where they met Joe and Hank, and they 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:37.399 invited them to come to a booth at the bar. 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.839 They hung there for an hour or two, went back 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.239 to the Beta House to play video games in Joe's room. 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:46.120 Stable asks for details on Joe and she says, not much, 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.880 just a typical frat rat. But they flirted, but it 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:53.360 wasn't serious. He asked, She's a very Luayanne in terms 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.640 of flirting. She's out there, she's flirting. He asks about 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.960 Hank and she says, you've gotta be kidding me. Benson asked, 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:04.160 did they make sexual advances? She says, not more than usual, 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.560 but we were just having fun. They ask how much 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.320 she drank. I think she's lying. She said, one to 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.040 two glasses of Margarita's and a few SIPs of beer 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.359 at the house. And maybe she's responsible, but I feel 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.520 she's like doing what we do at doctor's offices. 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.879 I'm like, how often do you drink hmm, couple times 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:22.200 a week, one to three drinks. 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.759 Yeah, this doesn't seem right. 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.240 Last thing she remembers is sitting all on the floor talking, laughing, 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.600 and then it gets fuzzy. She remembers feeling cold, someone 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.759 pulling on her hair, and then nothing. She cries and says, 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:37.480 I didn't think I was drinking that much, but I 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.680 guess I did. It's my fault. Like classic, She's like, 0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.000 oh God, what did I do? She cries. She puts 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.279 her head in her hands, and then the paper cup 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.799 she has in front of her is the classic eighties white, 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.320 teal and purple design, which I think it's like pretty 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.200 bright for a rape chat, you know what I mean, Like, 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.719 I don't know if they had to go full full 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:55.399 brightness on. 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:55.919 The cup there. 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.640 And also the detectives are silent and they're just making 0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.000 icon contact with each other and like kind of being 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.560 judgy and like she is crying and they are saying no. 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.200 She goes, what have I done? Crying? And they don't 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.319 say anything to her. So I was right. They are 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.360 cold and rude, do they are? But I think that 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.959 they're setting this up on purpose. They're setting this up 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:22.239 because of a larger conversation about women and sexuality and 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.280 things that are going on in the culture at this moment, 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.000 If that makes sense, and I can elaborate more. Munch 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.720 and Finn are with you know, the outside man, Harry, 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.799 and he has some charges in his background. 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:37.800 Obviously he probably loves a tough life. 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.279 So he said he found things in the bushes and 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.440 he was going to take them to the Lost and Found. 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.799 But you know, Munch is like, okay, but you were 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.960 at the dumpster. That's not the Lost and Found, and 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.440 he goes, well, I wanted to eat first, and Finn 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.759 is like, come again, and it's like the classic John 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:54.600 mulaney joke of like you haven't heard a man eating 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.600 out of the trash, Like what are you confused about him? 0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:58.399 You grew up in New York City. 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.080 But breakfast stuff gets there at eleven, he said, and 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:02.280 he wanted to get hot food. 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:04.239 Finn does not like that. 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.560 He jumps up, slams on the table and screams, do 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.120 you think this is a joke, And he's like, no, no, 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:10.480 no joke. 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:11.239 I go there every day. 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.399 I'm like, I think he's just explaining his day, Like 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.520 I don't h They're like so off base here, and 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.160 Munch goes not for long after this, you motherfucker, and 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:22.279 Finn gets in his face and goes, we're gonna we're 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.840 one blood test away from nailing your little scruffy ass 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.160 for rape, and Munch goes, should I used the condom, Harry, 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.080 And he's so scared, and he's scared of needles. 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.440 He starts crying, no needles, no needles, and the. 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.400 Threat of a blood test is enough to get him talking, 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.160 so he says he was making his rounds. She came 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.640 out of the frat house. She was wobbly, it was late. 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.760 He followed her and she fell down a few times 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.719 and she was out cold. He took the money in 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.920 the cards, but he didn't rape anybody. And then it 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.200 cuts to a uniform cop taking him away and goes 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.560 and he goes, you, sons of bitches, you said no needles, 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.200 And then Munch really flatly says, yeah, well we lied. 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.320 I like that. I love that a lot. I miss 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:05.560 I miss Munch. 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.000 So our our friend sent me a link and there 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.360 was an auction and I was trying to get Munch's 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.759 business card, id badge and bat and police badge, and 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:21.560 I raised my limit once but I couldn't do it again, 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.560 so I didn't get it. But I'm glad it went 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.279 for a lot, and I'm glad like it was a 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:27.719 tough auction, and I tried. 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:29.560 Yeah, do you know what it went for? 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:31.680 In the end, No, I kind of just had to 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:38.080 excuse myself out. But I I wanted it. 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.040 I wanted it. I would have I would have loved 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:44.439 to have it. But whoever has it, I'm happy for them. 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:46.920 So now it's a full team meeting and Cranion goes, Okay, listen, 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:48.920 but the if the blood test does not match, we're 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:50.680 back at zero. So let's at least come up with 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.640 another plan and still keep working. The panties are still 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.600 missing and six hours of her memory, so let's go 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.719 talk to other people that were at the party. So 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.560 we're at the Delta Cappa Delta sorority house and these 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.959 girls are fucking sluts off I've ever seen them. 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.440 And the house is crazy. It's like purple. 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.680 The curtains are lush, it's insane, and it's it seems 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.680 like a gay Dracula would live there, not like young girls. 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:20.279 It's really an opulent like Liberachi vibe. I would say, yeah, 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.960 and they're in leopard print highlights. I mean, these girls 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:27.600 are just like I bet the director goes to the 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:31.520 costume director, slut it up, slut it up, the perfect 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:35.000 costuming here I would say. So they played strip poker 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:39.080 last night retro. They got to the house at around eleven. 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.560 They then they called their friend Loose. They go, she 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.360 was hanging all over Joe and making a fool of herself, 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.760 and it's like with friends like these, who needs enemies? 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.520 They say, she was always glued to somebody. But once 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.879 Kelly was in her bron panties, they decided to leave. 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:57.279 And Benson's like, that's when you decided to leave. And 0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.840 they're like, well, Kelly was giving Joe a lap dance, 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.439 and Stabler says and Joe and the brunette girl goes, 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.319 he was lapping it up, wouldn't you. And it's like, well, 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.680 you don't know, Detective Stabler, because he would never because 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:10.920 that is a representation of his daughter Maureen. 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.160 So how dare you? How dare you? 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:15.200 Oh? 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:15.600 Damren? 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.400 So we are with Joe now and he is in 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.040 a turtleneck with an attitude and I hate him, and 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.320 he goes, yeah, she had the hot ticket and I 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.880 would have loved to punch for it or punch it 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.360 for whatever, you know, punch a ticket. He's making a 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.920 funny joke, I guess, but also inappropriate. She is a 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.120 rape victim, So even if you didn't do it, why 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:38.720 are you talking like this? Like no humanity? But he goes, 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.240 but she puked all over the floor and ruined everything, 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:45.440 and then he calls his penis mister Happy. It's truly disgusting. 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.239 He keeps making jokes and it's a serious thing. So 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.400 the fact that he takes it so lightly or I 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.680 already said that I had it written later, Yeah, I 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:53.320 really believe it. 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.640 So Bunch hates him too. Dub. 0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.479 He says that he let her sleep it off in 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.800 his room and he went to crash on the sofa. 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:03.279 Yeah right. 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:05.760 Finn is talking to a man in a beige fleece 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:09.000 quarter zip and it's like a Nick Carter blonde center part, 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:14.320 very JTT hair, Like this is incredible, and both the browns, 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:18.120 the blonde hairs, they're all not trustworthy. Finn's ponytail is popping. 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.760 It's a showdown. And he also he goes, I slept 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.239 on the fucking floor. He says, I don't know what 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.400 this chick told you, but I heard she worked her 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.920 way through the Kappa SIGs and and it's like, okay, 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.200 but you still shouldn't rape a woman and throw her 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.799 in a bush, Like I don't get it. I like 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.960 the reasoning never even fully makes sense to me, and 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.680 I can't believe it's it's so accepted in our society. 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:41.800 Like it's so crazy. 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.319 It's like, well, she's sucked all those other people, so 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.239 who cares. I don't get how. I mean, I get how. 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.760 I'm not an idiot, but it's it's honestly, like continuing 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.000 today with all the body count talk, Yes, you know 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.600 how everybody's always talking about body count, It's like, what 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.440 does it matter, Like we've already talked about this, I 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:03.799 think on this podcast, but like. 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:05.240 Well it's your nerd. 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:09.239 It's this rise of authoritative religion policing body is it's 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:10.640 back to trying to trap women. 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:14.440 Yeah, but it also doesn't make any fucking physical sense. 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.160 Like yeah, I think like if I've gone out and 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.680 I've had sex with forty guys for one night stands, 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:21.560 I'm a huge slut. But if I'm a girl who's 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.880 had sex with my boyfriend one hundred and fifty times, 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.920 why does that make one person any more used up 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.600 than the other one? Are we talking about like stretched 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.360 out vaginas? What are we talking about? What are you 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:32.600 guys talking about. 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:34.880 Well, I think men know they're like disgusting, So the 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:36.759 fact that you would let one inside of you like 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.719 decreases your value, like you know what I mean, Like 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.240 that's the whole thing where they go, if you're tricked 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.520 by a man and let him in you, you must 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:48.759 be a dumb whore. And I guess, yeah, I guess, 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:53.040 I guess you guys are right, But that's it, right 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.000 because if they didn't feel that, they were so disgusting 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.759 and devaluing of women, because it's like the whole thing 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:03.000 is having sex with you is what makes someone worse 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.319 in your eyes, So what does that say about you? 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:05.720 Guys? 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:10.400 Whatever, it's all upsetting, And he says she had her 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:12.839 eyes set on Joe, and Finn pushes, you think she 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:13.640 was asking for it? 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.440 He goes, that's not what I said, but for a fact. 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.839 It wasn't either me or Joe. And Finn is also 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:23.080 wearing like seven layers. It's like so many, so much 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:27.400 close vests and hoodies and ties and like a fucking 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:30.160 leather jacket, Like I don't know, he's not sweating. So 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:32.160 then we see Craigan in the middle of the precinct, 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:35.160 suspenders nice and tight holding those pants up, and he 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.440 has the most obvious update of all time. Harry's blood 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:44.080 type did not match the semen obviously sailors, just like, well, 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.040 her friend said that she put on the moves, and 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:48.680 Finn goes, yep. The boys also say she's loose, and 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:52.839 Craigan goes, wait, wasn't she a virgin? And so then 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.960 it's like all the boys now fighting Benson and she 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.439 and you know, they're like, well the boys were drunk too, 0:48:58.680 --> 0:48:59.960 and hello, a lapdown. 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:01.239 This is a strong message. 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.239 And Finn straight up goes, I think buyer's remorse, and 0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.160 she goes, I can't believe you're all blaming the victim, 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.040 and Craigan goes, we are not. And it's like, okay, 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.440 well now you're gaslighting you truly are. Craigan goes, no, 0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:13.360 I'm on your side. But we all know how the 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.520 courts work and how law works, and like, we don't 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.439 have a case. So if you know it's the case, 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.279 isn't looking good, get shited together. So thank god Munch 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.800 is there and he's off the phone. Kelly's talk screen 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.640 Jet does show GHB, So there's GHB in the bloodstream, 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:30.680 and so there's no more ambiguity, is there now? Huh 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.000 that's what Benson says of really, I told you so 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.520 on her face. So the boys, I mean, Finn looks 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:38.120 down in shame. They're all wrong, and Craigan goes, there's 0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:41.240 only one reason to give someone GHB, which is not true. 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:43.480 We do have friends that do it, but without alcohol, 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.319 so it just yes, I guess you could. 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:46.880 At this. 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:52.439 Time, it feels like GHB is mostly like at they're 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:54.920 talking about it the date rape drug, but now, like ketamine, 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:55.960 like so many other things. 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.360 You can use it recreationally, like carefully. 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.640 I guess, yeah, very carefully, like this Jerson has like 0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:03.480 a stop watch when he does it, no other liqu 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.120 you know, things are going in But yeah, I guess 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:11.759 I shouldn't promote ghbus recreationally. But it is the date 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:14.839 rape drug one hundred percent. So we have to find 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.040 out who spiked the drink and then you find your rapist. 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.359 So Stabler and Benson are doing you know, they're at 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:22.120 the college building. She's met with the dean of students 0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:26.040 and they want her to do university court, not press 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.080 criminal charges, and Benson goes, but it's a crime, and 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:31.480 she goes, but what if it was my fault? And 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.640 then they are like, well, no, we found GHB in 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.759 your system and she doesn't even know what it is 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.359 and they're like, yeah, the chills, the vomiting, these oral 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.440 side effects, and Benson says, you could have died, Kelly, 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:43.799 and it's like okay, okay, and so then she of 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:47.319 course feels like it's her fault even more because she 0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.200 didn't take anything. And they're like, no, we know someone 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.720 took away your ability to consent. He raped you. Kelly 0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:56.520 asks well who, and Benson goes, that's what we're trying 0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:58.560 to find out. We need you to help us. You 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:00.920 said you were drinking margarita. Did you ever leave your 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:01.919 drink unattended? 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:02.520 Did you? 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:04.000 And she goes, yeah, I went to dance and go 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:05.960 to the bathroom, but you know, I was on the 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:07.439 table with everyone else's drink. 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:09.200 And they're like, how'd you feel when you left? 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:11.840 She felt fine, And then when she was having beers 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.040 at the house is when she started to feel strange. 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.880 They ask if anyone else was there and she goes, well, 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:20.600 Wally Parker, and so a new name emerges, one of 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:24.640 the frat brothers. So but she says that Wally left 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.239 and it was just Hank and Joe who stayed back 0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:30.839 with her, and Stabler tells her, like, keep this conversation 0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:35.040 between us. Benson says, let us know if anything turns up. 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.560 She blinks really slowly and looks away. It's like a 0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.239 really dramatic scene. So we're at the College keg bar 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:46.560 and college is spelled wrong, like with a k okay. 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:48.400 So the man says, do you know how many frat 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:50.840 rats are here every night? So we're at the keg 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:52.800 and then mun she's like, I wonder how many underage 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.759 people are here? And Finn then threatens, of course, to 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.400 send undercovers to the bar. So they show a photo 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.880 and this mustache guy it looks like a fireman. Really, 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.640 It goes, oh, that's the babe bets me a twenty 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.120 against a free beer that he can call a home 0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:08.560 run like Babe Ruth. So he points out a girl 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:12.080 and if he could bagger, then he wins. They ask 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.520 for his batting average and he says he drinks a 0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:18.719 lot more than he pays, so clue. They showed the 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.960 photo of Kelly and he goes. They go did he 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:23.560 step up to bat and swing? 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:23.960 With her. 0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:25.680 I mean a lot of puns going on here for 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:27.000 rape instigation. 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:28.120 You're talking to cops. 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:29.680 I don't think anything could happen to the girl they're 0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:31.040 showing in the picture of like. 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:35.440 No, but the detectives say that, Oh, I thought the 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:37.719 guy I'm sorry. I was like, that's even like the 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.360 bartender needs to chill. Oh, but it is a lot. 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.880 Yeah, the detections are like, it's like it's pun central 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:44.600 up in here. 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:46.080 But the bartender, remember. 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.319 I also love that they're offering to bring They're like 0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:50.360 threatening to bring in undercovers. It's like, what's it going 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.440 to be Stabler in a jean jacket. I'm pretty sure 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:53.279 he'll fill your figure out. 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:53.839 Who it is. 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.319 Benson with a pacifier around her neck. I think they'll 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:01.839 know the cops are there. Yeah, the forty five year 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:07.160 old Catholic man from Queen's. They all came in a group, 0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.439 that's what the bartender says, and Joe picked her out 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.440 this time about fifty dollars against a picture, and they 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:15.560 walked out together. So we go to visit the dean 0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:17.759 who can only assume we can only assume as a 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:20.280 dumb bitch, and she's in a Republican red skirt suit. 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.600 So she says that she gave Kelly her full support 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:26.480 and Benson's like, no, you're trying to convince her not 0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:28.520 to press charges. She goes, I just gave her an 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:31.560 alternative to the criminal proceedings. The decision is hers and 0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:33.600 Sailor's like, okay, well, how does this committee work? And 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.400 it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's three students, 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:40.080 three faculty. Each of the people present their case, they 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:42.480 can get up to three witnesses, and then the sentences 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:46.480 are suspension or expulsion. Why wouldn't students be listening to 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:51.000 rape stuff? Like, it's really crazy. It's a nineteen yearly crazy. 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:56.000 It's this whole system is built so that colleges can 0:53:56.080 --> 0:54:01.680 keep their numbers down of crime, because that's a huge 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:04.280 thing people ask when they go on tours of schools, 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:07.240 is like, what's the criminal what are the criminal elements? 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:08.920 What are the stats? And if you can keep your 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:10.719 stats down, then you. 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:14.040 Get people still coming and paying thirty to sixty thousand 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:15.759 dollars a year to go to your institution. And it's 0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:18.440 a business, you know, Like, that's completely what it is. 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:21.520 I was on one of these committees at my school, 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:26.040 not for sexual misconduct, but other misconduct. And I had 0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:28.359 no right to be on that. Why was I on that? 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:31.279 Like why am I deciding anyone's punishment. I had to 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:33.520 see a punishment. I had to see the case of 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:38.239 one of my friends and he was like older than 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.200 me and hot, and I was like, he's getting off. 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:41.160 I'm letting him go, like you. 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.000 Know what I mean. But he didn't do anything sexual. 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.680 This was like a thing that happened with like people 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.680 fighting with campus safety or something like that at my school. 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:54.480 But like, yeah, what I don't understand, Like it's crazy. 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:58.160 They're not even like we bring in an outside mediator, we. 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.600 Get Yeah, I was just thinking, like, what it's safe? 0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:01.800 He looks at it. 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:05.520 It's like kids and staff and everybody the whole point. 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.239 It's like you're in a community, so everybody knows each 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.920 other and has pre existing shit with each other. 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:14.239 So that's not fair. It's not fair really now you know. 0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:17.319 No, it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and it 0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:20.279 makes no one safer, nobody because you're not getting rid 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:23.480 of these criminals, and you're letting this behavior slide, like 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:25.439 you're putting more and more students at risk. 0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:26.799 It's like so fucked up. 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:29.400 So Stabler asks if Joe and Hank have ever been 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:31.480 part of these hearings, and of course they're not at 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:34.960 liberty to say. Benson's like, a girl was drugged in rape? 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:37.000 Or are you're sure about that? And she goes, listen, 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:38.920 you need a court order, Like you guys know how 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.799 things work. So Benson and Sybla are walking outside the 0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:44.680 school and of course they're chatting about Maureen. It's daughter 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:48.080 compare chat time and we can skip right through that 0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.759 to Cabot. There's a coffee maker in the middle of 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:54.280 the room and I love that. I love seeing everyone 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:56.760 at work. And they're like, habit, we need the records, 0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:58.480 you know, what can we do? What can we do? 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:01.200 But they need more evidence to get those So without 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:03.280 more evidence, you do not get the student records. 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:04.319 So like, what are we gonna do? 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:07.719 Munch says, what if we like fuck with the campus cop, Like, 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.080 let's let's try with him. He thinks they have some 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:13.640 camaraderie and it's like, uh, you get was pretty fucked 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:18.440 up interacri very rude to him, and Benson's like, and 0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:21.080 there was a third guy mentioned Wally, So let's talk 0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.239 to him. Craigan's like, yeah, all hands on deck. So 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.960 they find Wally and he's not a typical frack guy. 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:27.880 You could tell he's more of a loser and he 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.960 has a beard and he he he went to study. 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:34.680 He says, okay, like she had one margarita and he's studying. 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.839 What's going on here? I Zach. 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:39.960 So this guy's name is Zach Orth, the actor, and 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.240 I love him. He's in one of my favorite scenes 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:45.880 in VEEP. He's also in What Hot American Summer. He 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:49.160 plays JJ, but his longest role is for something called Revolution. 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.520 He was on it for like forty something episodes, but 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:57.440 he's been another SVU episode from season twenty six, episode four, Constricted, 0:56:57.880 --> 0:56:59.839 So that means this season I saw, oh this. 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:03.719 And I probably just watched it because I'm kind of behind. 0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:07.760 Oh yes, Constricted is that episode that they just did 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:12.319 where the mom like gives her daughter and her boyfriend 0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:14.840 like the house because she thinks that they're going to 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:17.120 like lose their virginity and she wants to be cute. 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:18.360 Like like have it be special. 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.360 But then this kid's dad showed him all this porn, 0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.440 so like it's really violent and like bad and he 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.320 plays the bad dad. No, he's a defense attorney. And 0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:30.919 actually I look this up on his IMDb. This defense 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:33.200 attorney he plays, Harry Kagan, is also in regular Law 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:34.919 and Order, So I think he's bouncing back a little 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.680 bit back and forth. JJ's bouncing back and forth in 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:39.680 the Dick Wolf universe playing a defense attorney of the 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:45.280 same name. Woweah yeah, maybe episodes not like a ton 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.600 but yeah, yeah, yeah, that episode was. 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:51.200 So they're talking to Wally, they're talking to JJ. 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:54.680 They're talking to Wally zach Orth okay, and he's acting 0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:56.040 very like what do you mean? 0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:58.800 What? What? What? What do you mean by these questions? 0:57:58.840 --> 0:57:59.320 In her action? 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:03.160 What shocked? He's being asked anything? And they're like, well, 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.560 did you talk to her? Did she seem lucid? What 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:10.000 what's going on? And he's like she was partying but dressed. 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.480 And Stabler's like, did anything seem out of whack to you? 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:14.960 And He's like like, what he's playing so dumb? I'm 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:17.680 so annoyed right now. So then Stable's like, you tell me, like, 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.680 can you fucking start talking? You better play now, or 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:22.920 you know, we're really going to test your brotherhood. When 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:26.040 you're in criminal court. He looks down. He says, at 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:28.320 one pm, or probably one am, he says, at one 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:30.480 in the morning, he went downstairs for some water and 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.680 he saw Hank and Joe in the TV room, and 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.880 when he went upstairs, he saw that she was alone 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:38.960 in his room crying. There was puke and like her 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.320 hair was messed up, and she did look like she 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:42.000 needed a friend. 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:43.240 He offered to walk her home. 0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:45.960 He went up to get you know, his coat, but 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:48.680 then she was gone by the time he came back. 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:51.640 So now it's fin in Munch with the fake cop 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:54.080 and he's like, what, you're back to bully me some more. 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.440 And they're like, honestly, we were too hard on you. 0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:58.760 We're sorry, and he's like, you know, we're not all 0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:01.880 wind up cops. I'm finished my criminology degree next month 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.400 and I'm applying to the FEDS. And Munch goes, you know, 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.120 my cousin's a g man. I didn't know being an 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:09.000 FBI as g Mann. Do you know what that is? 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:13.760 Like weird? No, yeah, and I don't know. 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:18.200 Yeah. Oh, it's a it's government. It stands for any 0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:21.600 being government. Yeah, it stands for government. Man. 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:22.520 I guess yeah. 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:24.280 So then Munch offers to put in a good word 0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:28.320 as a professional courtesy, and this guy's not that dumb. 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:29.840 He goes, Okay, what do you want? Why are you 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:30.360 really here? 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:32.080 Like, you're not here to help me out because you 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.400 feel bad for bullying me when I was clearly in 0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:37.480 the wrong about having you speed up a rape case, 0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:39.080 you know, investigation. 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:40.880 So they ask about Joe and. 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:43.120 Getting information from him and how the school won't give 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.840 up any info, and he's like, oh, you want me 0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:48.680 to ignore campus policy so you can help make your case, 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:50.760 And Munch goes, no, we want to like help nail 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:53.400 our rapists. So he thinks about it and says, off 0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:56.920 the record, that guy's nothing but trouble. I get more 0:59:56.960 --> 1:00:00.800 complaints about that frat house than any other frat on campus. 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:03.280 He continues, there's a woman on the swim team that 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:06.760 said he raped her. No charges because the campus court 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:10.520 figured it out. They did the thing, and Templeton got 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:13.040 her drunk and then did her in a stupor. That's 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.160 a direct quote. I didn't come up with that. And 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:17.120 they go to talk to this woman and her name 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:21.160 is Mandy Shoemaker. She's at the pool, and they really 1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:22.960 do look like Men in Black here? And I can't 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:26.760 believe those comparisons have never been made, like they. 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:30.960 Are prime times like Men in Black. It's really cool. 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.240 And then the girl is dripping wet because there is 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:36.520 another episode where Kara caught that, like a woman comes 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.200 out of the pool but she has bone dry in 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.440 her scenes. I think it was for one of our 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:44.120 live episodes, so I was very closely paying attention this. 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:46.760 It's for Lust, it's Wanderlust. 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:50.480 Yeah, yeah, she is wet fully, Oh Wanderlust. 1:00:50.480 --> 1:00:53.000 Oh my god, a good episode. So she did and 1:00:53.200 --> 1:00:54.800 they talked to her. She has not even taken her 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:57.600 goggles off, like she picks herself fut from out of 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:00.360 the pool, goggles fully still on, and they're like, so 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:02.560 you got raped. Ay, It's like, can you give her 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:05.200 a moment to take off her swim cap? Like it's 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:08.320 just so aggressive, but she's cool. 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.800 I will just say that this actress that plays Mandy 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:13.640 is named Elizabeth Hendrickson, and I just quickly looked her 1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:17.520 up because she looked familiar a soap opera queen. She's 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:20.600 been on All My Children sixty five episodes. She's been 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:23.520 on General Hospital sixty nine episodes. She's been on Young 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:27.560 and the Restless nine hundred and fifty four episodes. So 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:31.600 this lady is soaping it up. Oh, I just thought 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:33.280 that was interesting. You never really see those kind of 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:34.400 numbers on IMDb. 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:39.720 No, that's soap. That's that's delegated for soap stars only. 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:42.960 So she was at a rush party and he hit 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:45.560 on her. They danced a little, they drank, and then 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:48.080 she remembers just him on top of her, pulling her hair, 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:50.720 and she had terrible hickeys and she did not know 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:53.760 how she got home. So then Finn is like, I 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:56.960 don't understand why everyone is so rude. He's being like stabler, 1:01:57.040 --> 1:01:59.560 vibe rude. Everyone is rude to her, like all these girls. 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:02.120 And Finn is like, how do you know that you 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:04.480 were raped? And she's like, well, I didn't until a 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:07.320 few weeks later. I realized I was raped because I 1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:09.880 was pregnant and I had to get an abortion. And 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:11.840 Munch goes, why didn't you go to the cops. She says, 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:13.920 I talked to a lawyer and then my advisor, and 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:15.919 they both said there's not much of a case. There's 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.200 no evidence, and I have no memory. So they did 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:21.960 school court. They found him guilty of conduct onbecoming a student, 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:25.280 and he got academic probation for one semester. She's like, 1:02:25.280 --> 1:02:27.640 I still see him on campus and he tried to 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:30.720 even fucking ask me out after she slapped him, and 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:32.960 now he just snickers about and she goes, it's like 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:36.400 being raped all over again, and she walks off. And 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:38.960 so now we're back at work. Benson has files and 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:41.760 there's an excitement there. She goes into the rapists not 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:45.240 only left semen, but gone a rhea. Uh oh, So 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.440 then the gift that keeps on giving, but at least 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.760 it's evidence like sorry, everyone has gone a rhea, but 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:52.959 you know, kind of positive. So then Craigan doesn't really 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.000 care and just says, well, we have to tie him 1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:56.920 to the GHB and we can arrest him. 1:02:56.920 --> 1:02:57.760 That's all we need to do. 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:00.520 And Cabot's there and she's like that there's just not 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.800 enough for a search warrant, but it's enough to subpoena 1:03:02.840 --> 1:03:05.440 the student records, and if we can get those records 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:08.400 to match Mandy's testimony, then we can get a search warrant. 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:11.200 So they go they get the court order. Fuck yeah, 1:03:11.360 --> 1:03:12.440 fuck you to the dean. 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.040 Give us the records and now they're in the frat 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:18.200 rooms going ham okay. Wally's like trying to be their 1:03:18.200 --> 1:03:21.200 little protector, like you can't invade their privacy like that, 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.400 they're not even home, and Benson's like, we can, and 1:03:23.440 --> 1:03:26.040 we are, like are you fucking stupid? And they find 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:30.200 blood stains, they find a dropper and then yeah, we're 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:32.840 like in the lab and the dropper matches the drugs 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:35.920 and the victim it's the same batch. It is proven 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:39.800 now and he goes, it's actually uncommonly very pure. It's 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:42.400 super pure, and he says, who ever made this had 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:45.200 access to a lab. So we're back at home base 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.440 and Sailor's like, oh my god, Joe's been a busy 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:50.320 boy and it's always the same. He like gets them 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.600 fucked up, pulls their hair and there's always hickeys, and 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:56.280 then it's what do we have here? So then they're 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:58.920 looking at the files and one of the three witnesses 1:03:58.920 --> 1:04:01.240 there are so like, you know, during the student things, 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:03.600 you need three witnesses. He only had two, one of 1:04:03.640 --> 1:04:07.280 which was his father, excuse me, and it was just 1:04:07.280 --> 1:04:08.400 being a character witness. 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:10.680 And guess what. He gives tons of money to the school. 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:13.600 He's an alumni of the school, like things are named 1:04:13.640 --> 1:04:16.760 after him, so no wonder. Joey keeps getting off the 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:19.880 stuff and Craigan goes, not this time, go get him. 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:23.080 Munch goes to arrest these losers and they had control 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:26.400 substances and that's not legal, so arrest them now. A 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:29.160 man walks into Craigan's office and goes, I demand to 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:33.200 see my son, very missus Potts. Who am I thinking 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:37.480 of Angela Lansbury from the episode Night. 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:39.600 Yes, yeah, And they're like. 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:42.680 Well, the police commissioner is a friend. Don't make me 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:43.800 call him, right? 1:04:44.200 --> 1:04:44.480 Yeah? 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:48.920 It is pretty disrespectful to her that I just can't. 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:50.240 She's Missus Pott, miss me. 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:56.200 I feel terrible, like a career spanning so long, so 1:04:57.440 --> 1:05:00.760 whatever nobody cares, you know, he can't swing is dick here. 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:02.600 No one cares about you here. And then the dad 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:05.600 tries to play hardball and I'm his dad. I get 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:07.360 to be in there, and Crane goes, you're a fucking idiot. 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:09.120 He's an adult, so no, you don't have the right 1:05:09.200 --> 1:05:11.160 to be in there, and then he threatens do you 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:14.240 want me to go over your head? And Craigan stands 1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:18.840 up stoneface. Yeah, I'm not some college dean. You can 1:05:18.880 --> 1:05:21.720 intimidate with threats, and nothing you're doing right now is 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:24.480 gonna help your son, not one damn bit. And the 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:27.200 dad does hang his head in shame like he knows, 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:29.960 and he knows he raised a rapist. So he goes, 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:33.440 do you have children, Captain? Which I didn't know that. 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:37.520 The captains get the detective back of merch. Yeah, back 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:40.680 a round of merch. Do you have children, Captain? I 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.800 love and that's a you know, yeah, we're gonna plug it, 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:46.680 or do you have children? Detective Merch is incredible And 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:48.080 I use the bag for soul cycle. 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:49.360 It's always has. 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:51.880 My shoes and the T shirt is very soft. Yeah 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:54.479 I'm cute and I get comments. It's a conversation starter. 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:55.080 People love it. 1:05:55.560 --> 1:05:56.240 Yeah by it. 1:05:56.640 --> 1:05:59.800 And then crazily, the rapist is in woodroom blinds, which 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:02.320 kind of wild, but they're batting him around and his 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:05.040 lawyer's standing in the corner and they're like, listen, we 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:07.360 know you have gone rhea and he giggles and denies 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:09.960 it and they're like, well, blood doesn't lie. Benson bends 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:12.000 down and says, since she was a virgin, we know 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:15.120 she got it from you. His lawyer says, circumstantial, but 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:18.640 not really if she's only had one encounter. Stabler's like, Babe, 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:20.800 once the blood matches, the semen, you're gonna go to 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:23.760 a campus upstate. And the lawyer goes, well, you need 1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:26.120 a court order for the blood, and Benson goes, oh, 1:06:26.160 --> 1:06:29.080 we both know that's just a formality. But Joe does 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:30.919 get to walk out and leave, and so now we're 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:33.360 with the other boy and they go, hey, you know 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:35.600 this GHP charge isn't going to be really good since 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:37.800 you already have an ecstasy charge from your past. You 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:41.760 know your toast and the boy's lawyer is Actually, she 1:06:41.840 --> 1:06:44.480 looked familiar. I looked her up. She's in seven episodes 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:48.960 of s Tovie seven. She's in the episode season four 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:52.680 Soulless as the guidance counselor, and then she's in season fourteen, fifteen, seventeen, 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:53.680 and twenty six as d D. 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:55.160 Densler. So I'm assuming a lawyer. 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:57.000 Wait, there's a reason I looked her up because she 1:06:57.000 --> 1:07:00.400 looked really familiar, and I only looked at they to you, 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:02.720 But I think she's in I think she's in Sextons 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:05.840 the City. Let me go back on her, IMDb, let 1:07:05.920 --> 1:07:08.400 me go back. I sweach. I think I figured it out. 1:07:08.560 --> 1:07:09.400 Oh my god. 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:12.240 Oh I don't know why I didn't look further. I 1:07:12.320 --> 1:07:15.920 just saw all those and I assumed that's how I 1:07:16.000 --> 1:07:18.520 knew her. You know what I mean? But her face 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:20.960 is coming back to me. Mary McCann, is that who 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:21.200 it is? 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:26.160 Texas City Lesbie, Yeah, the cheating curve Lydia. 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:26.760 I knew it. 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:28.320 I can't believe I didn't see it, but I know 1:07:28.520 --> 1:07:31.000 yet I knew it. Yeahs a power lesbian. I am 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:32.000 a power lesbian. 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:33.160 Yep. Mary B. 1:07:33.360 --> 1:07:36.600 McCann, power lesbian. I mean, what an iconic episode. We'll 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.520 never forget. Melinda Warner as well. 1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:42.880 So she pipes up like, hey, hey, hey, the ecstasy 1:07:42.960 --> 1:07:45.640 it was expunged. And they're like, yeah, if he kept 1:07:45.720 --> 1:07:47.920 himself clean till twenty one, but I guess he couldn't 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:50.720 do that. So you're going back to jail bay. He's 1:07:50.760 --> 1:07:53.240 getting stressed, his head's in his hands, and then Finn 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:56.320 finally goes, we're gonna get you for rape, and the 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:59.200 boys like wait, what, no way, and the lawyer's like okay, 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:02.120 scare tactic like shut up and she says, what are 1:08:02.160 --> 1:08:03.920 you offering? And Munch sits on the corner of a 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:06.240 desk and goes, what are you offering? And the boy 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:08.920 thinks and goes, I never saw the stuff, and they're like, well, 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:10.320 how did it get in your room? He says, I 1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:13.200 don't know, but Tests and Jodi were acting weird all 1:08:13.320 --> 1:08:16.559 night and kept topping off her drinks. I told you 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:20.639 those outfits were skinks. I said, these are some skanky bitches, 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:23.320 and I was right, No, it can't be. The girls like, 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:25.439 I am so upset, And he said they kept calling 1:08:25.479 --> 1:08:27.400 it a love potion, but he thought it was like 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:28.120 just a joke. 1:08:29.080 --> 1:08:31.160 And he's like, I really didn't know. 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:35.680 But finally he gives actual scoop and basically Joe then 1:08:35.760 --> 1:08:38.160 throws a blanket at Hank and goes hit the bricks, 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:40.960 and then he said to and then he said to 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:43.960 his friend, I'm about to hit another home run. So 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:46.559 we're back at the precinct and they need answers, and 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:49.040 Benson's like, okay, I know who might have the answers. 1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:52.559 Let's go talk to Dana aka Michelle Monahan. Benson and 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:55.400 Stable are in an outdoor crisp cold walk and talk 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:58.160 on campus. She says, Kelly and Test didn't get along 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:00.960 very well at first. In fact, tried to get Kelly 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:04.080 rejected by the membership, and then like she doesn't want 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:06.040 to say why, and then like she's being kind of, 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:08.320 you know, quiet, and Benson goes, girl, I don't know 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:11.280 what pressure these girls are giving you, but you can 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.479 either live with these dumb bitches, or you can live 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:16.240 with yourself and being like, you know, impeding on your 1:09:16.280 --> 1:09:17.560 friend's rape investigation. 1:09:18.040 --> 1:09:19.280 So who do you want to be? 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:22.479 And she spills and so basically, Joe and Test were 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:25.960 dating last semester. Kelly's knew and she didn't know, so 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:28.439 when Joe was checking her out and she was lurting back, 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:31.559 Test was pissed. And then when Joe dumped her, she 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:34.760 blamed Kelly. And then she overheard Test talking in the 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:39.400 bathroom that she has the clap. So Test has the clap, 1:09:39.720 --> 1:09:42.559 which means Joe has the clap and gave it to Kelly, 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:46.120 so this is a clap chain. And she heard something 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:47.840 about this girl being like and I'm going to get 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:51.360 even with him. So then it was super strange and suddenly, 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:54.160 you know, Test is being super nice to Kelly and 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:57.080 wanting to be her big sister, but then talking behind 1:09:57.080 --> 1:10:00.000 her back and spreading all these rumors. And she saw 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.759 the mixing chemicals in their room. I mean, the evidence 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:05.880 is piling up. So these bitches set her up. They 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:08.000 did the mixing the day before they all went out. 1:10:08.240 --> 1:10:10.799 It looked like they were doing homework. There was a notebook, 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:13.799 and they do have an organic chem lab at the school. 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:17.439 So we're now at the organic chem lab at the school. 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:20.879 They open her station, they bag everything as she walks in. 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:23.120 And wait, let me just tell you something about this actress. 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:27.280 So this is a crazy, crazy little IMDb chain here. 1:10:27.920 --> 1:10:32.280 So this actress's name is Marika Dominisic and she is 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:35.800 the sister of Dougmara Dominsic, who was just in the 1:10:35.880 --> 1:10:40.679 last episode we covered Pandora as the agent in Prague 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:42.280 who is going around with Stabler. 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:44.320 So there's fiers in real life. 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:48.200 And I told you she Doagmara is married to Patrick Wilson. 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:50.960 Marika is married to somebody famous too, and guess who 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:56.760 it fucking is Scott Foley from the episode Hammered. Yes, 1:10:57.479 --> 1:11:01.559 So these sisters are acting and they are marrying other 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:05.519 famous actors and she's literally I think has been on 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:08.800 Grey's Anatomy. This girl, she's very beautiful, Like I was like, 1:11:08.880 --> 1:11:13.040 I was, like, she looks familiar, but yeah, a few 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:16.200 eleven episodes of Grey's Anatomy. This girl but also married 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:18.519 to another NSVU from a classic that we do on 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:22.120 the road called Hammered. But anyway, yeah, I kind of 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:24.679 love Yeah, a whole family of actors. 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:25.559 Yeah. 1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:27.360 I think they have another sister who's an actor too, 1:11:27.360 --> 1:11:29.080 but I don't know her. I don't know if she's 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:30.280 as prolific as them. 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:31.920 So yeah, So like. 1:11:32.560 --> 1:11:35.080 Basically, she walks in, she sees what they're doing, she 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:37.599 starts running away. She runs right into her room, where 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:41.840 Benson and Stabler are already searching. It's like incredible, and 1:11:41.880 --> 1:11:44.000 Stanba goes, oh out for a little jog. 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:46.320 She looks worried they hand over the warrant. 1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:49.800 She goes, this is harassment, and Benson goes, so sue me, 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:52.400 but she knows she's gotten. And we're back at the 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:55.959 sixteenth So now the and then Tessa is the Brunette. 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:58.160 If you were wondering if it was Highlights or Brunette, 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:01.600 it's the Brunette. And you know they're like Possession is 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.000 one thing, but if we get you on conspiracy, we're 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:06.519 gonna get you on rape. And her head whips around 1:12:06.640 --> 1:12:09.680 fast rape and Benson goes, yeah, you took away her 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:12.680 ability to consent, and she says, you'll never prove that, 1:12:13.160 --> 1:12:14.880 like what a confident little killer? 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:15.920 Like, I don't know. 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:20.160 She So they start bullying her and she has frosty 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:23.920 eyeshadow and she just she just shrugs and goes, I 1:12:24.000 --> 1:12:27.200 better call a lawyer, and she's giving like rich diplomat 1:12:27.280 --> 1:12:29.639 parent vibe, you know what I mean. And then Benson 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:32.800 goes be my guest and hands her a phone and 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:35.559 it's an old style phone just with such heaviness and 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:37.559 I missed that part of my life, like holding a 1:12:37.600 --> 1:12:40.120 handle and a bike, like I don't know, but they're 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:41.960 watching this girl from the Spyglass. 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.240 Jared just went to go see this horror movie where 1:12:44.240 --> 1:12:45.800 there was like a whole gag in it where like 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:48.200 they're running away from like the murderer or whatever, and 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:50.439 they get a rotary phone and they're like call someone, 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:52.000 but like no one knows how to use the phone. 1:12:52.200 --> 1:12:55.400 They're like, how do you do this? What movie is that? 1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:59.880 That's funny? He saw this movie called clown in a cornfield, okay, 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:02.760 and I think it's pretty much what it sounds like. 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:07.000 Yeah, So they walk away slowly, but they're watching this 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:10.040 girl on the spyglass use this phone. And she's wearing 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:12.960 a pink Sorority sweatshirt and swinging her hair, and she 1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:16.240 stands up and like anxiously to make this call. Stabler 1:13:16.280 --> 1:13:18.720 asks Craigan, who's spying as well, like do you think 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:22.080 she'll take the bait? And he says, well, no, soon enough, 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:24.400 and so yeah, she calls the blonde bitch, who hangs 1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:28.400 up starts running downstairs. Michelle Monaghan starts following her down 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:31.360 the stairs. She runs to the basement. It's like a deep, 1:13:31.560 --> 1:13:34.960 weird storage and she pulls out a bag and it's 1:13:35.120 --> 1:13:38.000 very bicycle messenger bag of the two thousands, Like I 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:40.760 have such a memory of this kind of bag and 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:42.880 the logo and stuff, and so there's vials in it, 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:45.839 glass bottles, I mean, a full fucking thing of potions. 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:47.960 And she holds it and starts to walk away, but 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:50.120 Munch and Finn are already in the basement waiting there 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:53.040 with a warrant, and Michelle Monahan is standing behind them, 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:55.960 and the blonde girl says, you bitch. So we're in 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:59.120 cement room bars Benson and Stable are taking her on. 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.439 Benson like, well, Jody, prison is no sorority, but the 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:04.320 bright side is you might still be young enough to 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:05.400 have kids when you get out. 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:08.360 What a retro dig this girl. 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:15.479 This girl is giving Ari Grainer in the episode Damaged 1:14:15.640 --> 1:14:17.800 very like, you don't scare me, like, I am not 1:14:18.000 --> 1:14:21.120 intimidated here. So they have enough evidence to put her 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:23.960 into prison, so like she should be a little bit worried, 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.280 and she goes, my father would never let that happen. 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:29.960 But they're like, Babe, your fingerprints actually on the eye dropper. 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:32.719 And then Benson tries to level with her and goes, listen, 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:35.120 I was in a sorority. I understand sisterhood. But test 1:14:35.120 --> 1:14:37.640 sold you out so it doesn't really matter. And she 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:40.519 says no, and it's like she made that phone call 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:42.640 that put you in the basement, So tell us the 1:14:42.640 --> 1:14:45.200 truth or not, we don't care. They go, we know 1:14:45.360 --> 1:14:48.680 she hated Joe, not you, and she says, oh, you 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:51.120 don't know, Tess. If she did that to Kelly, what 1:14:51.200 --> 1:14:54.600 would she And then the lawyer like knocks knocks, you're 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:58.240 done talking to her and this guy, James Woodrow was 1:14:58.280 --> 1:15:00.720 a very old money vibes, and we learned that her 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:03.760 father is a justice, so it's like Justice Tom Wilson's 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:06.760 not gonna love this. So Benson and Stabler walk out 1:15:06.760 --> 1:15:09.960 defeated and cabits relaxed and confident, like at least we 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:14.040 got them on possession possibly rape three. Then Munch walks 1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:17.439 in with bad news. The semen does not match Joe 1:15:17.600 --> 1:15:20.120 or Hank, and then what about the clap? And then 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:23.120 Munch's rifling through the papers and is like, wait, remember 1:15:23.120 --> 1:15:25.240 that scarf we found in the bushes. There were actually 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:28.759 two hair fibers on the scarf. One belongs to Kelly 1:15:28.920 --> 1:15:32.840 and the other does match the semen. So we have like, 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:35.080 I think she was raped by two people that night. 1:15:35.200 --> 1:15:38.599 I think it's like Joe gave her the clap. And 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:41.120 then we have this other person with the semen and 1:15:41.200 --> 1:15:44.040 the hair. So Stable and Benson meet her on campus. 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:46.360 They show her the scarf and they're like, hey, like, 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:48.519 do you know about the scarf? Who's scarf? Is this 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:51.839 what's going on? And she's trying and then something clicks 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:56.439 in her brain. So basically this scarf had fish on it. 1:15:57.240 --> 1:16:00.759 And then it's like the nick so it's like wall eyes, 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:04.320 walle eyes are all over it, and Wally so Wally 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:07.680 as this fish scarf that it's you know, you mightn't. 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:10.880 I don't really wow, I didn't even pick that up. 1:16:15.000 --> 1:16:18.280 It is a stretch. It's a stretch, not a bright move. 1:16:18.320 --> 1:16:20.960 Giving like Kelly the scarf, and Benson goes, oh, did 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:23.760 she steal it? She probably stole it high and he's like, yeah, 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:26.720 most have and they're like from where He's saying like, oh, 1:16:26.720 --> 1:16:29.080 he doesn't know where the closer key, like he doesn't 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:30.960 know what's going on. He's trying to act dumb again, 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:32.599 do this little game. And they're like, well, you already 1:16:32.600 --> 1:16:34.559 said you were in Joe's room, so like, what did 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:36.360 you do Later He's like, yeah, no, I told you 1:16:36.400 --> 1:16:38.719 I studied and they're like, but you found Kelly alone. 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:39.439 What'd you do then? 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:42.400 And he sticks to his OG's story of like offering 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:44.720 to walk her home her leaving without him, but he 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:47.640 looks nervous, and that's before they even tell him that 1:16:47.680 --> 1:16:50.400 the semen and hair match him, and then Stabler's like, well, 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:52.519 why are you lying? And it's like the dumbest question 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:54.200 of all time, It's like, obviously to get away with 1:16:54.240 --> 1:16:55.960 a crime, Like what do you mean, why is he lying? 1:16:56.120 --> 1:16:59.800 He's in police investigation, like why aren't you giving us 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:03.799 all the evidence? But he does start to spill finally 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:06.360 that she was just sitting there. She looks sad. I 1:17:06.400 --> 1:17:08.360 took her to my room. I brushed her hair back 1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:10.680 from her face. For the first time, she looked at 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:12.720 me like she actually saw me. We sat on the 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:15.400 bed and talked, she kissed me, and then the rest 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:18.240 just happened. And he did not know that she was drugged. 1:17:18.520 --> 1:17:20.960 He thought she wanted to be with him. So then 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:23.519 it's like and then I'm just annoyed, like why nothing 1:17:23.600 --> 1:17:26.040 is ever easy at sv you like nothing ever. So 1:17:26.080 --> 1:17:28.280 now we're in Craigan's office and Kab it's like it 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:30.240 does not matter if he knew or didn't know about 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:33.240 the drugs, Like there's no deal, and we have all 1:17:33.280 --> 1:17:36.120 the DNA evidence that we need, and Stabler's defending him, 1:17:36.160 --> 1:17:39.240 like we're gonna ruin this kid's life because he misread signals. 1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:41.280 And she goes, if we give him a deal, we 1:17:41.320 --> 1:17:44.240 send mixed signals to the grand jury. You can't indict 1:17:44.280 --> 1:17:47.800 these sorority girls and not offer up the rapist. And 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:50.240 this is very like the episode intent, like a lot 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:52.320 of steps need to happen to like get who did 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:55.719 something wrong. So if we also want to get Joe 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:57.280 on the rape, like we need to get the girls 1:17:57.320 --> 1:17:58.679 and we need to get this guy, and we need 1:17:58.720 --> 1:18:01.120 to like put all this together. And she goes, maybe 1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:03.600 if Wally helps, I can lower his charge, but like, 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:05.360 I'm not giving him a deal, and I can't believe 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:07.280 there's so gung ho about giving this guy a deal. 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:10.320 But they need to put Joe away. So we're at 1:18:10.320 --> 1:18:13.640 the grand jury. Kelly's there, She's getting pumped up by Marishka. 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:16.960 She's so scared, she's confused that she's doing the right thing, 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:19.479 and you know, Benson's yeah, helping her out. 1:18:19.560 --> 1:18:20.759 She sees one of the guys. 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:24.200 She's stressed, you know, she doesn't like it, but she's 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:26.200 on the stand and then we and it's kind of 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:28.280 like a quick scene of like Kelly's on the stand 1:18:28.320 --> 1:18:30.360 and the CSU texts on the stand and he talks 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:32.760 about amnesia being a side effect, so we need that 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:36.880 so the grand jury understands why the memory loss. Stabler's 1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:39.200 then on the stand, we have a Michelle Monaghan. Now 1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:41.559 we have a Hank the medical examiner. I mean it's 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:43.800 really a hoozoo. It's like an SNL sketch where each 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:46.000 each person has to get their impression in. 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:48.559 So the medical examiner Beard Man. 1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:51.599 So yeah, so this is what happens where I guess 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:53.680 this is where we learned about like Wally does not 1:18:53.880 --> 1:18:56.040 have the clap, so, like I said, like the claps 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:59.280 from Joe stemens from Wally, both of them like disgusting 1:19:00.160 --> 1:19:03.320 is now on the stand. They found her underwear behind 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.920 his headboard. And then now Cabit sating lunch in the 1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:10.000 office and she has tough news. Wally's going to testify 1:19:10.040 --> 1:19:12.880 to the grand jury, and they kind of find that weird. 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:15.960 But they're saying, like the lawyer wouldn't do that if 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:19.320 they didn't have a reason, and could and like she 1:19:19.479 --> 1:19:21.719 keep and Cabot needs to get the answer, like could 1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:24.920 anything have happened to make Wally think there's consent? Like 1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:27.760 anything before that night? So they're talking to Kelly, They're like, 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:30.160 did you ever flirt with him? She goes no, and 1:19:30.200 --> 1:19:33.400 then goes, well maybe they had a couple classes together, 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:35.880 and she goes that he was a whiz on the classics, 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:38.800 and so she invited him for coffee to get some 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:43.360 educational scoop and you know that might be enough Ammo 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:44.360 to plead innocent. 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:46.639 Like that is so crazy the way the world works. 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:49.240 So like, because you have coffee over books with a 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:52.200 guy that's consent to sex, like I just like, yeah, 1:19:52.200 --> 1:19:54.200 that's what I mean, like logically, Like I just don't 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:57.200 understand how any of these things are valid or accepted 1:19:57.439 --> 1:19:58.679 or even like tried. 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:00.240 I don't understand. 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:04.400 Yeah, because she wanted to study with a guy, that 1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:07.200 means that she must have wanted a fuck day like 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:08.160 days later. 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:09.000 I don't get it. 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:13.160 Yeah, it's like crazy, like that could work in a court, 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.000 like for a grand jury. 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.519 I mean, it's like the whole thing we just posted about, 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:19.920 this thing called Denham Day that's like based on a 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.320 case in Italy where it's like a guy got off 1:20:22.560 --> 1:20:25.080 and that's in Italy, but because a woman was wearing 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:27.879 tight jeans, that was her consent, was the tight jeans, 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:32.280 like you know, so of course sitting down with them 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:34.719 for a cup of coffee and a conversation that's basically 1:20:34.720 --> 1:20:37.280 a green light do whatever you want. 1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:40.400 Like gross, Yeah, so he's on the stand and he 1:20:40.479 --> 1:20:42.400 keeps being like, I didn't know she was drugged. I 1:20:42.400 --> 1:20:45.920 swear I didn't know. But Kebit's about to get his ass. 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:49.400 She goes, you saw vomit on the floor. He says, yes, 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:53.920 you saw her disheveled appearance. He says, yes, matted hair, 1:20:54.040 --> 1:20:57.040 watery eyes, Yes, yes, And you still didn't know that 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:59.640 she was under the influence. And he's like, I just 1:20:59.640 --> 1:21:02.320 thought she was tired, and Cabbot goes, oh, really, you 1:21:02.360 --> 1:21:05.880 thought she was tired, and he admits, like, well, an upset. 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:08.720 She looked sad, so Cabot goes, and you took that 1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:11.439 as an invite to have sex her being sad and tired? 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:12.040 Like what? 1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:15.800 And he starts scuttering a little, and Cabbot pushes, did 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:17.720 she say she wanted to have sex with you? 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:19.760 He says, she flirted with me? 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:22.920 She asks when he says, in class and at the 1:21:22.920 --> 1:21:25.479 coffee shop, and Cabbot goes, okay, did she say she 1:21:25.520 --> 1:21:27.800 wanted to have sex with you? Then he says no. 1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:30.120 Then asked, did she say she wanted to have sex 1:21:30.160 --> 1:21:32.599 with you the night you took her into your room? 1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:35.840 He says she didn't have to, and Cabot goes, well, 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:37.160 I'll take that as a nome. What do you mean 1:21:37.200 --> 1:21:39.559 she didn't have to What do you mean she didn't 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:42.200 have to like what He's like, Well, she kissed me, 1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:44.040 and Cabbot goes, okay, so you took that as a 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:46.040 green light to do whatever you wanted. He goes, well, no, 1:21:46.280 --> 1:21:49.680 I never said, and she goes, so there's vomit, her 1:21:49.720 --> 1:21:52.360 hair is matt her eyes are blurry. And you still 1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:55.200 thought she wanted to fuck? And he says yes, and 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:59.000 she says, I guess it was your lucky night, and 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.920 he licks his lips looks off. Benson and Cabitt are 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:04.559 on a bench waiting outside of the courtroom. Cabbot gets 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:06.800 given a paper and this obviously reminds me of my 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:09.960 failed audition as a process server from many years ago, 1:22:10.600 --> 1:22:13.439 where it is a simple job and I couldn't I 1:22:13.439 --> 1:22:14.879 couldn't hand the paper over. 1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:21.720 Okay, so so humiliating to get a shirt out of it. 1:22:21.840 --> 1:22:24.599 They were like, you could just please leave. So anyways, 1:22:24.840 --> 1:22:27.519 enough about my failed audition. So Cabbitt get gets given 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:29.880 a paper, she hands it to Benson and then like 1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:31.760 music starts to play, so we know it's not going 1:22:31.840 --> 1:22:35.160 to be positive. So they're down to indict the girls 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:40.960 on charges, but not the boys, like I. So the 1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:44.479 girls get in trouble for drugging the girl, but the 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:47.439 boys don't get in trouble for raping the girl. I 1:22:47.479 --> 1:22:50.840 don't she never consented, And this is why men want 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:51.719 to get rid of consent. 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:54.160 Like what the fuck that all? With all that evidence? 1:22:54.880 --> 1:22:59.759 Yeah, because it's like for for like men in charge, 1:22:59.800 --> 1:23:01.240 it's like, well they had drugs. 1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:03.479 We've got a war on drugs, so it's for them, 1:23:03.520 --> 1:23:07.240 it's the drugs. Why Also, no, I also think it 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:08.400 was seen as an excuse for her. 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:10.280 It's like, well, the boys didn't know that she was drugged, 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:12.439 and it's like, but they knew she was wasted, blacked 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:14.679 out beyond belief, even if she they didn't know about 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:18.480 the JHB. It's just like it's so fucked up. So anyways, 1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:20.880 Benson goes to talk to Kelly to like tell her 1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:22.679 the news, but is wearing a beret? 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:27.040 Not the time for a silly hat? Benson, what are 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:28.400 you doing? I knew. 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.120 I was like, I can't wait to hear Lisa's take 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:31.160 on this fucking hat wear. 1:23:31.280 --> 1:23:32.080 This is wild. 1:23:32.200 --> 1:23:34.320 You're about to tell a girl she'll never see justice 1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:38.839 for her double rape and she and her friends drugged 1:23:38.880 --> 1:23:40.240 her to get raped, and. 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.280 She's like, I'll put on them around a jaunty chapeau. 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:47.160 But the grand jury was split on the issue of 1:23:47.200 --> 1:23:53.160 consent whatever, but the dean did expel them, and she says, well, 1:23:53.200 --> 1:23:55.840 it hardly seems worth it, and Benson goes, you did 1:23:55.840 --> 1:23:58.639 the right thing. But she also never took the abortion pills. 1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:00.840 What if she's pregnant, and ben'son goes, I'm not the 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:06.479 right person to ask talk to someone else, kid, and 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:10.160 so she also Kelly is like, I haven't even told 1:24:10.200 --> 1:24:13.080 my parents yet, and Benson goes, well, it might be 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:16.360 a good time now, and then Kelly walks off in 1:24:16.439 --> 1:24:18.759 the like most ambiguous weird ending. 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:24.439 Ugh. Wait, so I'm still having watched this episode several times. 1:24:25.080 --> 1:24:28.080 What's the order of events? Like did the bat did 1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:30.439 the gonorrhea guy attack her first? 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:33.360 And then yeah, I think what happened was, you know, 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:35.960 like he threw a blanket at his friend and goes like, 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:37.600 go sleep on the floor. I'm about to hit a 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:39.599 home run, and I think he raped her while she 1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:43.200 was like pretty fucked up, and then did go downstairs 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:46.000 to sleep on the couch for an alibi, and that's 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:49.320 when Wally saw the boys both on the couch and 1:24:49.400 --> 1:24:51.200 went and took his shot with her in the room. 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:57.800 Oh yeah, okay, that's the order of operations fucked up. 1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:01.240 We need to teach a men and boys to be better. 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:02.360 It's bad. 1:25:04.640 --> 1:25:15.040 Let's get into the real cases. Well, the first case 1:25:15.080 --> 1:25:16.439 that I was going to talk about is just the 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:20.679 Hillary farious case, and this is actually just about the GHB. 1:25:21.040 --> 1:25:24.160 Like Hillary, Farius was a seventeen year old high school 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:27.360 student in Laporte, Texas. She didn't even drink, she didn't 1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:30.680 even party. She was a varsity volleyball player. She was 1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:32.840 out with her friends. This is August third of nineteen 1:25:32.920 --> 1:25:35.880 ninety six. She's at a teen dance club and when 1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:38.559 she gets home, she's nauseous, she has a horrible headache, 1:25:38.840 --> 1:25:41.120 and then she's found on August fourth, not breathing and 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:44.920 nonresponsive and she died. And initially they couldn't explain her 1:25:44.960 --> 1:25:47.080 death because her talk screen didn't show any drugs or 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:50.759 any alcohol. But after authorities kind of found out about 1:25:51.080 --> 1:25:55.559 this club drug called gamma hydroxybed tyrate. And I hope 1:25:55.600 --> 1:25:59.360 I'm saying that the right way, that's GHB. They tested 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:01.479 her for it and that's when they found it. So 1:26:01.520 --> 1:26:03.400 all she drank that night was soda and she was 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:06.439 obviously slipped the drug, which is known on the streets 1:26:06.439 --> 1:26:09.080 as liquid X or easy lay. It has like a 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:12.000 million other different street names, but those are a couple, 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:15.640 and it's basically I found out that GHB can be 1:26:15.680 --> 1:26:19.360 made easily with rudimentary knowledge of chemistry, and there are 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:22.559 instructions for how to make it online, So that's essentially 1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:23.960 what happened with these two girlies. 1:26:24.720 --> 1:26:26.759 It's odorless, it's nearly tasteless. 1:26:26.760 --> 1:26:28.439 It's got like a little bit of a salty taste, 1:26:28.479 --> 1:26:30.880 but if you're having a margarita or something, you probably 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:35.439 wouldn't taste it. It depresses the respiratory system fast, especially 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:39.519 when alcohol is also involved, and not enough oxygen gets 1:26:39.520 --> 1:26:41.719 to the brain, which causes the memory loss and slipping 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:45.120 in and out of consciousness. And it's a really really 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:47.600 fine line between the dosage to knock someone out and 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:51.439 the dosage to kill someone. Then there was another girl 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:53.800 named Samantha Reid who was a fifteen year old girl 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:55.960 who was drugged with GHB and her soda as well, 1:26:56.000 --> 1:26:59.880 and died. So in nineteen ninety eight, Representative Sheila Jack 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:03.760 and Lee of Texas introduced a bill called the Hillary J. 1:27:03.920 --> 1:27:08.240 Farrius and Samanthai Date Rape Drug Prohibition Act, which eventually 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:10.360 was signed into law by Bill Clinton in two thousand, 1:27:10.600 --> 1:27:13.400 which made gh BE illegal, and it also made it 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:16.880 easier to apprehend drug producers who were making drugs that 1:27:16.960 --> 1:27:20.040 were just like GHB, but just like a little bit off, 1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:22.040 like they would change the chemistry, make up a little 1:27:22.040 --> 1:27:24.320 bit of it so that it was not actually GHB 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:26.840 but does the exact same thing. But now this bill 1:27:26.960 --> 1:27:32.800 encompasses all GHB, you know, everything in the GHB family essentially, 1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:35.640 and because these dealers were getting away with it, and 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:38.640 so now it expanded the definition of what GHB was 1:27:38.720 --> 1:27:41.879 to include similar drugs, and it also encouraged education programs 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:46.479 about date rape substances. But I don't think in either case. 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:51.000 I literally found the oldest website that Hillary's family set 1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:53.120 up for her, like truly like one of the first 1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:56.040 websites you've ever seen that had like music plays, and 1:27:56.040 --> 1:27:57.840 it's like a high school picture of her, and like 1:27:58.080 --> 1:28:00.280 the links are all overlapping each other because it's like 1:28:00.320 --> 1:28:03.280 old e HTML like this is just like a poor 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:05.840 girl who's like life was just totally cut short and 1:28:06.360 --> 1:28:08.840 she wasn't dating drink. 1:28:10.040 --> 1:28:10.600 I don't think so. 1:28:10.640 --> 1:28:12.360 I don't think they found out in either of these 1:28:12.400 --> 1:28:14.960 cases what happened. I really looked if anyone has any 1:28:14.960 --> 1:28:17.559 other information, let me know. But in these cases I 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:19.560 tried to find if anybody was charged for them, and 1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:22.080 I don't think anyone was, so it just became like 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:24.240 more of a and there was no sexual assault in 1:28:24.280 --> 1:28:25.559 either of these cases. 1:28:25.600 --> 1:28:27.160 They was just GHB deaths. 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:30.439 So that's like a little bit about just the GHB 1:28:30.680 --> 1:28:33.360 and that happened, like this bill went into was signed 1:28:33.360 --> 1:28:35.120 in two thousand and then this episode came out in 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:35.479 oh one. 1:28:35.560 --> 1:28:37.120 So obviously GHB is making. 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:38.800 The rounds and that's like how it gets probably to 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:41.240 the writers, and you know, we know Neil Behars got 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:43.600 his finger on the pulse. So the case that this 1:28:43.720 --> 1:28:45.840 is most likely the most based on. There were a 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:48.400 couple of others listed on the internet when you look 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:51.479 around on what stuff's based on, and one was the 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:54.120 Alex Kelly case, which I would love to cover because 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:57.599 that is a rapist from Connecticut who escaped to Europe 1:28:57.640 --> 1:28:59.879 and his parents supported him while he was a fugitive 1:28:59.880 --> 1:29:02.679 in Europe, and that was the case of my youth. 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:04.519 Like when I was growing up, everybody was always like 1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:07.759 out like this is disgusting. But at our hockey games 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:10.599 against those teams, against the team of the town where 1:29:10.600 --> 1:29:13.360 he's from, people would chant Alex Kelly's name like this 1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:15.000 was like a big part of our lives was that 1:29:15.080 --> 1:29:17.120 this town next to my town had this rapist who 1:29:17.160 --> 1:29:21.160 was on the lamb and the entitlement and of parents 1:29:21.240 --> 1:29:25.519 supporting their kid who's done these crimes but won't let 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:28.000 him stand trial and are supporting him in Switzerland while 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:30.200 he's skis. I'd love to cover that trial, but I 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:31.760 don't think it has anything to do with this case. 1:29:32.240 --> 1:29:35.160 So this episode seems most based on the case of 1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:39.080 Sarah Kline and Adam Lack. In February of nineteen ninety six. 1:29:39.200 --> 1:29:42.080 Sarah Klein is a freshman at Brown University in Providence, 1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:45.200 Rhode Island. One of my best friends went there at 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:48.639 Ivy League school. Was she was drinking with a bunch 1:29:48.640 --> 1:29:51.800 of friends before hitting a fraternity party at Delta Tau. 1:29:52.120 --> 1:29:55.000 And this case actually doesn't really have anything to do 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:57.800 with the GHP it's more of the consent issue. So 1:29:57.840 --> 1:30:00.200 I think that the writers at this time were like 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:03.320 merging these two issues of like GHB is everywhere and 1:30:03.360 --> 1:30:07.439 also when does consent come into play? So there's no 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.479 drugging in this episode that I know of. But Kleine 1:30:11.080 --> 1:30:13.559 later admitted to drinking as many as ten shots before 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:17.000 heading to the party, so she was drinking. Later that evening, 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:20.960 a junior named Adam Lack found Klein having just thrown up. 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:24.479 He claimed he offered her water and that she walked 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:28.760 unassisted to his room, where she initiated sexual contact. And 1:30:28.800 --> 1:30:30.840 he later said also he had no idea she was drunk, 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:32.519 and it's like if someone you find someone next to 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:35.400 a pile of vomit, like let's just immediately go with 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:37.240 Like she didn't just have some bad shrimp, you know, 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:41.000 like if you're a college she did, leave her alone. Yeah, 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:44.080 leave her alone. Anyone who just threw up does not 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:49.120 want to have sex. Probably. Lack said that they talked 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:51.720 and they smoked cigarettes for hours. When they woke up 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:54.200 in the morning, they exchanged numbers. He walked her back 1:30:54.200 --> 1:30:56.439 to her dorm room. He called her a bunch of times. 1:30:56.439 --> 1:30:58.679 They eventually talked on the phone and he told her, yeah, 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:00.960 like we had sex, and she said, did you use 1:31:01.000 --> 1:31:01.360 a condom? 1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:02.040 And he said yes. 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:05.160 She had no memory of anything happening after getting to 1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:08.719 the party. So then five weeks go by and Klein 1:31:09.000 --> 1:31:11.559 files a complaint with the Office of Student Life in 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:14.680 March of nineteen ninety six, accusing lack of sexual misconduct. 1:31:15.120 --> 1:31:19.160 No criminal charges were ever filed, like probably after five 1:31:19.200 --> 1:31:21.840 weeks there wasn't physical evidence, and you know that would 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:24.000 have been even a tough case for Olivia Benson and 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:27.880 Elliott Stabler to make happen that five weeks have gone by, 1:31:28.600 --> 1:31:32.519 But she did go to the University Disciplinary Committee the 1:31:32.600 --> 1:31:35.599 UDC they call it, which is an internal board made 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:37.920 up of students and staff. Just like in the episode, 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:40.759 she claimed she remembered nothing about the evening and therefore 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:44.280 was too intoxicated to consent. Lack was like, Klein is 1:31:44.280 --> 1:31:46.479 the one that initiated the sexual piece. 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:48.000 I had no clue she was drunk. 1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:52.200 And this case pretty much consumed Brown University and eventually 1:31:52.200 --> 1:31:57.120 became part of a wider cultural firestorm about political correctness 1:31:57.439 --> 1:32:02.920 backlash against feminism. The concept of gray rape eventually gets introduced, 1:32:03.360 --> 1:32:06.320 and what the university and what The Brown Daily Harold 1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:10.000 called a case of he said, she can't remember. So 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:13.240 there's all this stuff going on at this time, Like 1:32:13.280 --> 1:32:16.479 I mean, like I'm in college, you're in high school. 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:20.599 It's like I remember feeling like, oh, yeah, it's okay 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:22.880 for girls to hook up, like you can be you. 1:32:22.840 --> 1:32:24.479 Know, but you definitely don't want to be called a slut. 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:28.240 Like there's definitely this thing where women's empowerment is growing 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:31.559 and women are feeling more empowered to be sexual. Like 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:33.240 I mean, think about Sex and the City starts in 1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:36.960 nineteen ninety nine, right, Like, Samantha's this major character who's 1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:39.080 going after what she wants and sleeps with whoever she 1:32:39.160 --> 1:32:42.040 wants and is after her own pursuit of pleasure. And 1:32:42.040 --> 1:32:45.240 that's like a revolutionary character in nineteen ninety nine, right 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:47.040 two years before this episode comes out. 1:32:47.479 --> 1:32:49.160 So after this. 1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:52.519 Episode, which I always think this shows a little bit 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:55.000 ahead of its time, into that. Around two thousand and seven, 1:32:55.040 --> 1:32:58.840 a Washington Post journalist named Laura session Stepp wrote an 1:32:58.920 --> 1:33:01.360 article about Gray and I don't think it's the first 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:03.960 time it's been used, but this is a pop Like 1:33:04.160 --> 1:33:06.760 Cosmopolitan wrote an article about it, like there's all kinds 1:33:06.800 --> 1:33:10.639 of this is a big time for okay, like women 1:33:10.680 --> 1:33:13.800 are allowed to initiate sexual contact more and we're not 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:17.160 going to judge women for being sexual, but then also 1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:21.720 we're still blaming them for getting into situations where they 1:33:21.720 --> 1:33:24.920 could be sexually assaulted. So it's really it's like this 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:26.880 is a time where this conversation is happening in the 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:30.960 culture everywhere, and everyone's talking about well political correctness. Like 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:33.120 I mean, so she wore a skirt and went on 1:33:33.120 --> 1:33:34.519 the date, and they had dinner, and she had a 1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:36.360 bunch of drinks and she started making out with him, 1:33:36.360 --> 1:33:38.200 and then it's like there was no concept of this, 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:39.840 like you can say no whenever you want. That we 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:42.360 that we are trying to have today. I don't know 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:45.920 if that's widespread, but we're trying to say you can 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:48.200 be in the middle of something and say stop, and 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:51.400 it should end that this was not happening back in 1:33:51.439 --> 1:33:56.599 these these days. So this woman, Laura session Step writes 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:59.519 this article about gray rape and highlights incidents where both 1:33:59.560 --> 1:34:02.479 parties are very intoxicated and says the line of consent 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:03.040 is gray. 1:34:03.520 --> 1:34:04.679 Caused a huge stir. 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:07.479 I read this New York Times article about it, which 1:34:07.479 --> 1:34:10.439 I will obviously link to in my show notes. But 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:14.200 they spoke to Chitra Ragavon, who is a psychologist at 1:34:14.280 --> 1:34:16.960 John Jay College of Criminal Justice, which is in the 1:34:17.000 --> 1:34:19.759 city and is a College of Criminal Justice. She conducts 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.799 research on intimate partner violence and rape, and she disagreed 1:34:22.840 --> 1:34:25.439 with what the article said because the article was like, oh, well, 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:28.439 now it's a modern society where it's acceptable for women 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:31.960 to pursue casual sex. She says, I would respectfully disagree 1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:34.400 that women have been sexually empowered to hook up. What's 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:37.240 happened is that women are not legislated anymore. There's a 1:34:37.320 --> 1:34:39.040 huge difference for it to be legal for women to 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:41.400 pursue sex and for it to be socially acceptable for 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:46.280 women to pursue sex. So as much as we're saying you, yeah, 1:34:46.320 --> 1:34:49.240 you're a free woman, it's the nineties, it's the two thousands. 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:51.360 Go out and get what you want. Like we're still 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:56.000 socially going, but you're kind of responsible for men's sexualis. 1:34:56.200 --> 1:34:56.400 Yeah. 1:34:56.479 --> 1:34:58.599 There was like a thing in Russia a long time 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:01.360 ago where it was like maybe there was a sexual revolution, 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:02.960 but there was an a feminist. 1:35:02.520 --> 1:35:06.760 Revolution, and so right, right, yeah, it doesn't really help, so, 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:11.800 she says. Ragavaan says to The New York Times that 1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:14.479 many studies have shown that rapes often do not involve 1:35:14.479 --> 1:35:18.400 physical violence or coercion because the mere threat or potential 1:35:18.439 --> 1:35:21.280 for physical harm is enough to make victims submit. She 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:24.400 also says, quote studies have shown that women's sexual interactions 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:27.439 do not change appreciably if they have been drinking, and 1:35:27.479 --> 1:35:31.400 that serial rapists maintain inaccurately, of course, that their victims 1:35:31.439 --> 1:35:33.639 did not resist and in fact wanted to be raped. 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:37.080 She says, the discussion of alcohol is quote endemic of 1:35:37.080 --> 1:35:40.400 how we blame women, saying that such blame could lead 1:35:40.439 --> 1:35:43.200 to a viewpoint like women hook up, get drunk and 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:45.160 then say they don't want sex, tell them to cross 1:35:45.160 --> 1:35:48.000 their legs and put on a chastity belt. She says, So, 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:52.360 you know, I think that's really interesting that it's like, well, 1:35:52.400 --> 1:35:52.920 we were all. 1:35:52.920 --> 1:35:55.160 Drinking and it's like okay, but. 1:35:56.800 --> 1:35:58.640 Like, I don't know, if you're drunk enough and you 1:35:58.680 --> 1:36:00.880 can say no, then guy should be able to be 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:02.519 even if he's drunk, to be like oh okay, I 1:36:02.560 --> 1:36:05.479 should stop. I don't know, like it's where we kind 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:06.920 of put a lot of that on women. 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:09.840 Well, we use alcohol to excuse men's behavior, and we 1:36:09.920 --> 1:36:12.439 use it to like indict women for theirs. 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:19.320 Yes, and exactly exactly, and we encour men are encouraged 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:21.519 to give women alcohol to make them more ap pliable, 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:23.160 to make them do things that they want. 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:24.639 You know, and then blame you for it. Then it's like, ah, 1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:26.759 we gotta buy women drinks. Yeah, it's like you're trying 1:36:26.800 --> 1:36:29.320 to make them fuck you. Like why are you acting 1:36:29.360 --> 1:36:32.040 like it's you know, they talk about girls girls? 1:36:33.000 --> 1:36:36.519 Yeah, Like remember remember how prevalent ladies drink free used 1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:38.040 to be. I mean, I don't really think that's a 1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:39.600 thing that much anymore, but it used to be like 1:36:39.760 --> 1:36:44.080 girl ladies drink free and like that. Like in this article, 1:36:44.120 --> 1:36:46.920 there's a profess, there's a a professional person who. 1:36:46.800 --> 1:36:48.559 Says, like, I feel like that's a date rape drug. 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:51.439 Even saying ladies drink free, it's like you're just setting 1:36:51.520 --> 1:36:54.519 up this culture of like, well then and then her 1:36:54.560 --> 1:36:57.120 consent is gone and we can't really no one can 1:36:57.120 --> 1:36:59.240 be blamed for anything again. 1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:01.280 It's all the responsibility is still on the woman to 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:03.840 make sure the men don't attack. And it's like, what 1:37:04.080 --> 1:37:05.720 just punish all the men more like, you know what 1:37:05.760 --> 1:37:09.040 I mean, it hasn't worked right, Like, I just don't 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:11.599 understand why it's still on us. I cover your drinks 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:13.719 and do this and don't do that, and pay attention 1:37:13.800 --> 1:37:16.920 and it's never like make sure your friends aren't rapists? 1:37:18.040 --> 1:37:18.960 Wow, make sure that. 1:37:19.200 --> 1:37:22.479 Yeah, make sure that when you're having sexual interaction with 1:37:22.560 --> 1:37:28.080 a woman, she's having fun. Yeah, she's not passing in 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:32.559 and out her eyes like totally, she's not asleep, you know, yes. 1:37:32.680 --> 1:37:35.800 And that's annoying to them. That's feminism gone too far, 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:38.559 the pendulum. What do you mean women should have fun 1:37:38.640 --> 1:37:40.920 during fuck you know or want it. It's like it 1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:43.799 just seems like such a basic kind of knowledge. But whatever. 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:46.840 Yeah, So anyway, I'm even though this article came out 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:50.240 after the episode, I do think this is like part 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:53.679 it's informative of the entire cultural of what's happening, especially 1:37:53.680 --> 1:37:55.479 on college campuses at this time. 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.639 And like, as we all know very well. 1:37:58.520 --> 1:38:00.840 That's been true for decades that rape is one of 1:38:00.840 --> 1:38:03.800 the crimes least likely to be falsely reported and most 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:08.000 likely to convict perpetrators. So it's not it's like there 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:10.280 are not women are not waking up going Oh, I 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:12.360 really wish i'd eno have sex with that guy. Maybe 1:38:12.360 --> 1:38:15.600 I'll start a multi year court process that's going to 1:38:15.680 --> 1:38:18.200 drag me and my family and ruin my entire life 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:22.400 through court proceedings. Like that's not really something women are 1:38:22.439 --> 1:38:27.080 doing for kicks, Okay, So anyway, because we all know 1:38:27.160 --> 1:38:30.160 how hard these crimes are. For this reason, a lot 1:38:30.160 --> 1:38:33.760 of college students do choose to have their cases adjudicated 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:36.120 within the confines of their school. I think what so 1:38:36.240 --> 1:38:39.320 many girls just want to have happen is like, kick 1:38:39.360 --> 1:38:41.120 him out, just let me keep going to school and 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:43.160 I don't have to face this guy every day. And 1:38:43.240 --> 1:38:46.080 so many of these schools won't even fucking do that, 1:38:46.400 --> 1:38:48.880 Like they're just like, I mean, okay, so I'll keep 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:51.200 going with the client in lack case like. It also 1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:56.120 highlights these the way educational institutions adjudicate cases internally, even 1:38:56.120 --> 1:39:00.200 when criminality is involved, the way that we're talking about here, 1:39:00.520 --> 1:39:02.559 Like it was my understanding at my school when I 1:39:02.600 --> 1:39:04.200 was on this like board to do this, which I 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:06.160 can't evenber what it was called, but it was because 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:07.959 I was on student government and then I was nominated 1:39:07.960 --> 1:39:08.559 to this board. 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:12.280 It was for non criminal stuff. Pretty much. 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:14.840 And so anything criminal would go to campus safety and 1:39:14.880 --> 1:39:16.760 they would go to the Hartford Police department. Because I 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:20.360 went to college in Hertford, Conneticut, I don't know. I 1:39:20.400 --> 1:39:22.360 don't think that happened a lot, you know. I think 1:39:22.360 --> 1:39:23.960 people would just say, oh, I don't want to press chargers, 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:26.080 I don't want to go to campus safety. But these 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:30.400 inner school things are very common. After the case was 1:39:30.439 --> 1:39:33.400 heard by the UDC at Brown, they found Lack guilty 1:39:33.400 --> 1:39:36.640 of sexual misconduct and he was given a one semester suspension, 1:39:37.160 --> 1:39:39.920 much like what you heard the swimmer talk about how 1:39:39.920 --> 1:39:43.000 he the guy just got one semester. But then Lack 1:39:43.160 --> 1:39:48.000 appealed to this decision and Brown provosts James Pomerantz reduced 1:39:48.000 --> 1:39:51.400 the charge against him to quote flagrant disrespect. 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:52.679 So that's the charge. 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:57.400 He was charged with flagrant disrespect, and instead of the suspension, 1:39:57.479 --> 1:40:00.800 his punishment was lessened to a two semester probation. So 1:40:01.600 --> 1:40:04.760 obviously the campus is deeply divided at this time, like 1:40:04.840 --> 1:40:07.240 one side believes this guy's a rapist and the other 1:40:07.560 --> 1:40:10.799 thinks that he is a victim of campus feminism run amok, 1:40:10.880 --> 1:40:13.559 you know, like this is too far, you know, And 1:40:13.640 --> 1:40:17.559 in January of nineteen ninety seven, Uh, twenty twenties, John 1:40:17.720 --> 1:40:20.760 Stossel came to Brown to report. 1:40:20.479 --> 1:40:23.519 Famous sash that was a big mustache of my life, I. 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:27.400 Would say, as John John Stossel, Yeah, but you're not 1:40:27.439 --> 1:40:29.439 gonna like this mustache much anymore. 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:32.959 You're not like what he does. Rape that's crazy. 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:36.680 He's just like he basically comes to the school and 1:40:36.720 --> 1:40:38.960 he's like, look, I just want to know for me, 1:40:39.120 --> 1:40:43.200 rape is rape, like and like, to me, rape is 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:45.920 a man forcing a woman, like with a gun or 1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:49.040 a knife, and like he sees no, you know, quote 1:40:49.080 --> 1:40:52.160 unquote gray area in any of that like that, there's 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:54.679 ways that you can have a power imbalance with someone. 1:40:54.760 --> 1:40:58.800 There's ways that you can just be a physically So 1:40:58.920 --> 1:41:01.800 to him, it's only rape if there's a gun or 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:04.520 a weapon or something and they feel physically threatened. And 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:07.880 and he literally showed up at this place and there 1:41:07.920 --> 1:41:09.920 was a protest going on, Like they knew twenty twenty 1:41:09.960 --> 1:41:11.920 was coming, so they obviously there was a group at 1:41:11.920 --> 1:41:15.559 the There was a group there and I think the 1:41:16.280 --> 1:41:19.599 it was like Citizens Against Sexual Abuse or something like that. 1:41:19.640 --> 1:41:23.120 But CISA is like the name of this group on campus, 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:25.120 and they stage a protest. They're like, we want to 1:41:25.200 --> 1:41:28.680 let twenty twenty know that we're serious about women's you know, 1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:32.360 women being protected on this campus. And he goes up 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:34.519 to the protesters and he's like, okay, so let's talk 1:41:34.560 --> 1:41:36.280 about this. I feel like we have a different definition 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:36.880 of rape, Like. 1:41:36.840 --> 1:41:37.479 What do you think? 1:41:37.520 --> 1:41:40.760 And they like start and he's like, I think it's 1:41:40.840 --> 1:41:43.639 gun point, knife point and they're like, bitch, how old 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:46.760 are you? And then in March of nineteen ninety seven, 1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:50.920 his piece airs and it's very biased against women against feminism. 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:53.680 The crux of this piece was that feminists at the 1:41:53.680 --> 1:41:57.360 school were quote authoritarian and unwilling to accept critiques of 1:41:57.400 --> 1:42:01.080 their women as victims mentality end quote. This was from 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:04.000 the Brown Daily Herald, which is the student newspaper where 1:42:04.040 --> 1:42:06.880 I got most of this information. I think much like this, 1:42:08.000 --> 1:42:12.200 much like the criminal proceedings of this, It was all 1:42:12.200 --> 1:42:14.880 handled in school. The press even is mostly from a 1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:20.240 school newspaper. But the school newspaper seems very like not biased, 1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:23.640 and actually they seem more biased towards the victim in this, 1:42:23.760 --> 1:42:26.200 which is kind of refreshing because now we've got the 1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:30.120 guy on twenty twenty being like these feminists are popping off. 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:34.640 And the piece was called when Yes Means No, and 1:42:34.800 --> 1:42:38.519 it included footage of angry students, including Sarah Kline the 1:42:38.600 --> 1:42:42.519 victim screaming. So he obviously tried to just, you know, 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:46.840 depict these women as like hysterical man hating feminists that 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:51.640 are just trying to stretch the definition of rape beyond recognition. 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:55.640 And he says in his piece, there is something of 1:42:55.680 --> 1:42:59.760 an authoritarian atmosphere surrounding women's issues on this campus. And 1:42:59.840 --> 1:43:02.640 I just love that this guy is so threatened by 1:43:02.680 --> 1:43:06.280 women standing up for anything that he's like pretty authoritarian. 1:43:06.920 --> 1:43:08.920 No one else is allowed to get a word in Edgeway. 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:12.000 It's like you should kind of understand or authoritarianism if 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:13.360 you're a reporter for twenty twenty. 1:43:13.360 --> 1:43:15.400 I don't think this is well, it's an example like that. 1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:17.720 This happens often where dudes will be like quit being 1:43:17.760 --> 1:43:20.960 a victim, and it's like mostly women like talking about 1:43:21.000 --> 1:43:25.280 maybe human trafficking, sexual assault, domestic violence, but men complain 1:43:25.360 --> 1:43:28.280 about such minor things Like I remember being on a 1:43:28.320 --> 1:43:29.960 podcast I was this was a long time ago. 1:43:30.000 --> 1:43:30.479 I was on Nick to. 1:43:30.439 --> 1:43:33.519 Depolo's and like we were arguing and he was someone 1:43:33.520 --> 1:43:35.759 called and was like, God, this girl just keeps on bitching. 1:43:35.760 --> 1:43:37.639 And I was truly talking about black people being murdered 1:43:37.640 --> 1:43:40.880 by the cops, and he was complaining about how it's 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:44.360 like the decline of it's like making fun of masculinity 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:48.000 because all the husbands on television aren't masculine, and that 1:43:48.160 --> 1:43:49.920 was his big argument throughout it all, and I go, 1:43:50.479 --> 1:43:52.920 that's your biggest complaint, Like that's the thing. I feel 1:43:52.920 --> 1:43:54.720 like men complain about so much less, where it's like, well, 1:43:54.760 --> 1:43:55.479 what do you mean? 1:43:55.560 --> 1:43:58.200 And it's like it's not even violence against you. 1:43:58.320 --> 1:44:01.280 It's like you know what I mean, Like you're acting 1:44:01.320 --> 1:44:04.120 like women are acting like victims as they're murdered all 1:44:04.160 --> 1:44:06.400 the time and like violence, and it's like, what are 1:44:06.439 --> 1:44:09.720 you really complaining about? John Stossel, Yeah, what is what 1:44:09.840 --> 1:44:13.280 is this big authoritative thing that's impeding on your right 1:44:13.360 --> 1:44:17.080 and harming your safety? Like they they victimized themselves for 1:44:17.120 --> 1:44:19.519 so much less. I guess that's the I finally got 1:44:19.560 --> 1:44:20.080 to my point. 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:24.240 Yeah, well no, I mean they're just scared that they're 1:44:24.280 --> 1:44:26.760 gonna be now held accountable for their actions, you know, 1:44:26.960 --> 1:44:29.519 like it's like uh oh, or now we're now we're 1:44:29.560 --> 1:44:32.519 expanding the definition. It's not just knife at knife point 1:44:32.600 --> 1:44:38.160 or gunpoint. Where will it end? So opinions in this 1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:42.160 case are swinging wildly from this guy's being lynched by 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:45.840 a feminist mob to these like we're simply trying to 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:48.679 make this campus safer for women, and I think all 1:44:48.880 --> 1:44:51.519 campuses could be safer for women. It's like, I just 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:54.040 saw this video today and I saw you liked it, 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:56.080 so I think you've seen it too, unless you had 1:44:56.080 --> 1:44:56.880 a thumb. 1:44:57.080 --> 1:44:59.040 I've been really I think on my phone too much 1:44:59.040 --> 1:45:01.479 because people have been saying me screenshots, being like you've 1:45:01.520 --> 1:45:04.160 already liked it, and I got yeah, I like it. 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:09.439 Well, like my Instagram knows that we are connected and 1:45:09.479 --> 1:45:11.120 gives me a lot of stuff that you you know, 1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:12.839 I was I had a tailor swept in my homepage 1:45:12.840 --> 1:45:15.599 for a really long time and I don't follow her or. 1:45:15.560 --> 1:45:17.560 You know, but he's just been hitt and she was 1:45:17.600 --> 1:45:19.240 finally seen on Mother's Dan Philly. 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:21.879 But it's like cheez, we went a long time without anything. 1:45:22.240 --> 1:45:27.280 Yeah, I heard, But it was this guy who's like 1:45:27.320 --> 1:45:31.840 a therapist talking about how like women are like starving 1:45:31.920 --> 1:45:34.360 for men to be more vulnerable and caring. Do you 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:36.080 know what I'm talking about this guy who kind of 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:39.000 looks like a rolling stone and he's like yeah, he's 1:45:39.040 --> 1:45:42.479 like he's just like, we're beating the vulnerability out of 1:45:42.520 --> 1:45:45.760 these men in an attempt to make them masculine, when 1:45:45.760 --> 1:45:48.800 that's the vulnerability is truly like what most women want 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:51.160 out of them. And it was like it was an 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:55.080 interesting just put that plainly, like I you know, I 1:45:55.080 --> 1:45:57.680 hadn't really heard that, And I feel like a lot 1:45:57.720 --> 1:45:58.559 of the time it's like. 1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:00.559 Well, because they listen to one of the men want 1:46:00.600 --> 1:46:03.080 and they're trying to impress other men. And I think 1:46:03.120 --> 1:46:06.400 that's where all this confusion of masculinity and what women 1:46:06.479 --> 1:46:09.240 want comes from, because they won't even like bect women 1:46:09.360 --> 1:46:11.120 enough to listen to what they want. But I think 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:14.360 there's women who want like an outdated version of masculinity too. 1:46:14.479 --> 1:46:16.719 But it is just like stop trying to impress your bros. 1:46:17.320 --> 1:46:20.080 And just like cry with your girlfriend you fucking weirdo? 1:46:20.920 --> 1:46:21.840 Yeah or not? 1:46:22.960 --> 1:46:25.040 I don't know, And like, yeah, I just think we 1:46:25.080 --> 1:46:28.360 could also do more education, like with college freshmen about 1:46:28.400 --> 1:46:30.920 this stuff. Like there's always a really awkward like we 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:32.920 called it a rape play in my school because it 1:46:32.960 --> 1:46:37.000 was like this really awkward group of like actors that 1:46:37.040 --> 1:46:39.519 came on to like do scenes about what it's and 1:46:39.560 --> 1:46:42.280 you're like, this isn't like what is this? You know? 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:45.599 It's like there should be better ways to like educate 1:46:46.160 --> 1:46:48.840 young people about like this is what it's supposed to 1:46:48.840 --> 1:46:51.200 look like, this is what the interaction's supposed to be like, 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:53.439 but like enthusiastic and set like what we're talking about, 1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:55.720 you know, because if people's parents aren't telling them, then 1:46:55.760 --> 1:46:57.519 it's up to like institutions, and if you want to 1:46:57.560 --> 1:47:00.639 lower your fucking stats, then let's do it this way 1:47:00.720 --> 1:47:07.880 instead of with you know, obfuscating different crimes and giving 1:47:07.880 --> 1:47:11.200 people suspensions and YadA YadA, like, let's actually we just 1:47:11.320 --> 1:47:14.479 educate them and make it safer over backwards to protect 1:47:14.479 --> 1:47:17.960 these dudes from punishment instead of protecting the women, you know, 1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:22.200 their safety. Like I just don't get why the safety 1:47:22.200 --> 1:47:25.000 of women is not the priority or of people. 1:47:25.840 --> 1:47:28.840 Yeah, it's never that and not. 1:47:28.760 --> 1:47:31.320 Getting people in trouble, you know, because someone wants to 1:47:31.320 --> 1:47:33.240 work on Wall Street, I don't know. 1:47:33.520 --> 1:47:34.559 Yeah, so crazy. 1:47:34.840 --> 1:47:37.920 So then I'm getting all my information from college newspapers. 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:40.759 My next one is from Penn University of Pennsylvania's newspaper, 1:47:41.040 --> 1:47:43.040 famously School I wanted to go to didn't get into. 1:47:43.240 --> 1:47:46.000 They reported in nineteen ninety seven that Lack, the guy 1:47:46.040 --> 1:47:48.559 in this case, filed a complaint in US District Court 1:47:48.960 --> 1:47:53.720 charging Brown with charging the school, Brown with breach of contract, negligence, 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.840 and gender discrimination, and he also charged the alleged victim, 1:47:56.920 --> 1:48:00.759 Sarah Kline, with libel. The complaint also accused of violating 1:48:00.880 --> 1:48:03.880 Title nine of the High Federal Higher Education Act by 1:48:03.920 --> 1:48:08.200 selectively enforcing its sexual misconduct and underage drinking policies. Like 1:48:08.360 --> 1:48:11.439 his lawyer was like, well, Klein admitted to drinking excessively 1:48:11.439 --> 1:48:13.640 the night of the incident, and that's a violation of 1:48:13.680 --> 1:48:14.960 your underage drinking policy. 1:48:15.120 --> 1:48:16.960 So why is there no action taken against her? And 1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:18.080 it's like, oh my god. 1:48:18.439 --> 1:48:21.920 Anyway, in two thousand and seven, a confidential settlement was 1:48:21.960 --> 1:48:24.360 reached in the U. S District Court, filed by Adam 1:48:24.439 --> 1:48:29.520 Lack of from against Sarah Kline and Brown for libel 1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:33.560 Cline and reverse gender discrimination, breach of contract for Brown, 1:48:33.720 --> 1:48:35.760 and then so that's it. He settled with the US 1:48:35.800 --> 1:48:38.519 District Court in a very sketchy turn of events. The 1:48:38.560 --> 1:48:41.320 following year, July of two thousand and eight. Lack, who's 1:48:41.320 --> 1:48:44.800 thirty three years old at the time, now is at 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:47.280 his home in his home state of Iowa, where his 1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:50.160 family has been engaged in a long time dispute with 1:48:50.240 --> 1:48:54.280 Mitchell County landowners over water runoff, which the Lack family 1:48:54.280 --> 1:48:56.719 claimed was an environmental hazard and bad for their farm. 1:48:57.040 --> 1:48:59.840 So he sees this Chevy Impala on his property, go 1:49:00.200 --> 1:49:03.479 to chase it. In chasing it, the Impala does something. 1:49:03.760 --> 1:49:06.880 He goes over the edge of the of the of 1:49:06.880 --> 1:49:09.920 a curve. His truck is upside down, he's pinned, but 1:49:10.479 --> 1:49:13.200 emergency services is called. They don't call for a long time, 1:49:13.280 --> 1:49:15.840 come for a long time, and he's found dead several 1:49:15.840 --> 1:49:18.880 hours later, and his family thinks it's a homicide. And 1:49:18.920 --> 1:49:21.479 there's a lot about it in this old Iowa cold 1:49:21.520 --> 1:49:23.400 case report that I linked to in my show notes, 1:49:23.439 --> 1:49:25.000 but I didn't want to get too into it. But 1:49:25.040 --> 1:49:27.599 it's very sketchy. So the guy from that whole thing 1:49:27.680 --> 1:49:37.080 is dead. But whoa kind of wild right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, twisted, 1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:38.240 very cinematic. 1:49:38.360 --> 1:49:43.360 Yeah, anyway, a wild one. Thank you for doing that, Kara. 1:49:44.200 --> 1:49:46.440 Let's hop into our interview. 1:49:54.240 --> 1:49:57.000 Our guest today has worked on the big screen, the 1:49:57.000 --> 1:49:59.960 small screen, and the Broadway stage. You may know her 1:50:00.080 --> 1:50:02.479 best for her Emmy Award winning role as young Judy 1:50:02.560 --> 1:50:05.080 Garland in Life with Judy Garland, Me and My Shadows. 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:07.760 She also starred in the films The Invitation and Into 1:50:07.760 --> 1:50:10.759 the Woods. But you know her today as the victim 1:50:10.840 --> 1:50:15.080 of so many crimes and wrongdoings. College student Kelly Delia. 1:50:15.560 --> 1:50:19.000 Please enjoy our wonderful chat with Tammy Blanchard. 1:50:19.560 --> 1:50:20.920 What a hello. 1:50:22.920 --> 1:50:27.160 We are thrill gosh, so nice to see you. I 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:30.800 love your blonde hair. I know I wasn't expecting the blonde. 1:50:31.000 --> 1:50:33.280 I'm digging it. I just did a role. 1:50:33.560 --> 1:50:35.720 I've just did a role and she was blonde, so 1:50:35.760 --> 1:50:37.439 I went blonde, destroyed my hair. 1:50:37.479 --> 1:50:38.400 But it's sah. 1:50:38.520 --> 1:50:40.280 Yeah, I mean, are you having more fun? 1:50:41.439 --> 1:50:41.719 Yes? 1:50:41.840 --> 1:50:45.360 As I said, actually, wake up and I feel sunshine 1:50:45.600 --> 1:50:48.040 and I feel like sunshine. 1:50:48.080 --> 1:50:50.400 It's surrounding me. It's fucking we are. 1:50:50.240 --> 1:50:52.640 We left, of course, don't wait. 1:50:52.800 --> 1:50:55.040 You girls are like lawn order. 1:50:55.280 --> 1:51:02.360 And specific specifically Okay, wait now that was special victimsy 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:02.560 in it. 1:51:04.160 --> 1:51:07.559 Okay, I mean them ver Yeah. 1:51:07.600 --> 1:51:10.240 I know it's asking a lot, you know, to give 1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:12.519 us all the scoop you can from twenty five years ago, 1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:13.240 but yeah, we. 1:51:13.200 --> 1:51:14.759 Want to think about that murder. 1:51:15.960 --> 1:51:19.559 No, it's it's so hard for us to usually get 1:51:20.040 --> 1:51:22.880 guests for the earlier season episodes. So I was so 1:51:22.960 --> 1:51:25.200 happy that you were down to do it because it's 1:51:25.200 --> 1:51:27.800 like it is, it was twenty four years ago, almost 1:51:27.840 --> 1:51:30.320 twenty five that you did this episode, but you're the 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:33.559 main victim. This is the one where you're on the 1:51:33.600 --> 1:51:37.680 college campus and you've been drugged and attacked. 1:51:37.800 --> 1:51:40.760 And you know, I just had like a moment, like 1:51:40.960 --> 1:51:43.320 a moment of God forbid, because I have a seventeen 1:51:43.400 --> 1:51:47.360 year old daughter. No, my gosh, and I'm like, you're 1:51:47.400 --> 1:51:50.240 not going anywhere. So she doesn't drink, she doesn't do drugs, 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:51.240 she doesn't do anything. 1:51:51.280 --> 1:51:51.479 You know. 1:51:51.560 --> 1:51:55.080 I love her, she loves herself. Basically, that's what mothers 1:51:55.120 --> 1:51:57.160 have to do to have kids that don't do drugs 1:51:57.200 --> 1:51:59.920 and drink, love them and teach them to love themselves. 1:52:00.520 --> 1:52:03.160 It's scary you have to teach your kids. Like I'm 1:52:03.200 --> 1:52:05.000 throwing like dateline episodes on. 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:07.679 Yeah you know what I mean, Like you should watch 1:52:08.479 --> 1:52:08.840 with her. 1:52:09.360 --> 1:52:11.960 She's alough, she watches all that stuff. 1:52:12.160 --> 1:52:15.080 Like I personally can't watch it because I know these 1:52:15.080 --> 1:52:19.800 people are making millions of dollars and I'm not. And 1:52:20.040 --> 1:52:22.719 also it's like like I could never get the lawyer 1:52:22.760 --> 1:52:25.840 cup doctor role, and I'm like, I don't know, the 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:28.280 words just don't come out of my mouth easily, but. 1:52:28.280 --> 1:52:31.880 Like, yeah, Parked cardiovascular or we're gonna go get those 1:52:31.920 --> 1:52:33.200 facial wreck opera drop. 1:52:35.560 --> 1:52:38.880 So I'm usually like the guest star, but I went 1:52:38.920 --> 1:52:41.080 out for nine one one. 1:52:41.400 --> 1:52:42.320 No, what was that? 1:52:42.760 --> 1:52:47.000 Uh the Boston No? No, No, it's that guy still 1:52:47.320 --> 1:52:48.599 Who's the guy who runs these. 1:52:49.439 --> 1:52:52.120 Whoa He's I think he has twelve shows on air 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:52.599 right now. 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:54.040 He's still Kick. 1:52:54.120 --> 1:52:57.000 And I remember I think it was that one because 1:52:57.000 --> 1:52:58.840 I said all the Warren woes. 1:52:58.560 --> 1:53:00.919 Yeah, I saw you've done. 1:53:01.240 --> 1:53:03.320 Now this is this a Mariska. 1:53:03.000 --> 1:53:06.759 Yeah, Maricia Maloney and Belser. 1:53:07.640 --> 1:53:09.120 I remember two things. 1:53:10.120 --> 1:53:13.880 I remember Mariska and what's his name Maloney? 1:53:13.960 --> 1:53:14.439 Yeah, Chris. 1:53:15.520 --> 1:53:18.960 I remember doing a scene with him, and I'm like great, 1:53:19.320 --> 1:53:20.360 like I'm new, you know. 1:53:20.520 --> 1:53:22.600 I think it's like my first really gig outside and 1:53:22.640 --> 1:53:27.559 Dying Light after Judy Garland. And I remember Mariska and 1:53:27.680 --> 1:53:31.360 Chris talking to me and I said something back, and 1:53:31.400 --> 1:53:35.519 then Mariska said something to me that just like sliced me, 1:53:36.320 --> 1:53:39.760 like I'm just like sarcastic cool, you know what I mean. 1:53:40.360 --> 1:53:44.439 She just said something like really something like that, and 1:53:44.520 --> 1:53:46.960 it just made me feel so stupid, and then they 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:49.880 both smiled and laughed and like it was like I 1:53:50.000 --> 1:53:53.519 was so insecure, you know, And I just remember looking 1:53:53.560 --> 1:53:57.760 at her like, Damn, she's like so fucking cool and 1:53:57.960 --> 1:54:00.880 tough and like she's an act and like. 1:54:01.479 --> 1:54:02.080 Because is she? 1:54:02.560 --> 1:54:05.400 Because she's just so fucking cool and confident, you know 1:54:05.439 --> 1:54:08.439 what I mean, and beautiful. And then Chris was like 1:54:08.800 --> 1:54:12.920 just like really seemed so like normal, like not like big, 1:54:13.040 --> 1:54:14.599 like seemed like an ordinary guy. 1:54:15.000 --> 1:54:15.360 Yeah. 1:54:15.360 --> 1:54:19.479 And then I remember like learning my lines in my 1:54:19.520 --> 1:54:23.400 basement apartment and like it was an emotional testimony, right. 1:54:23.439 --> 1:54:25.760 Yeah episode. 1:54:26.360 --> 1:54:28.639 I mean, you were in the hospital, you were laying 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:31.240 in the bushes, you were laying in the hospital, you 1:54:31.280 --> 1:54:34.160 were on the stand for the grand jury, you were 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:35.880 getting betrayed all over town. 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:39.040 Wow, I need to watch this shiny. 1:54:38.920 --> 1:54:41.960 Very good and Michelle Monahan's in it, which was like 1:54:42.000 --> 1:54:43.520 a while I forgot about that. 1:54:43.800 --> 1:54:47.280 So they're still making new ones of these. 1:54:47.360 --> 1:54:49.960 Oh yeah, baby, there is twenty six. You got to 1:54:49.960 --> 1:54:52.240 get back in you got to come back as a lawyer. 1:54:53.480 --> 1:54:56.080 Okay, I'm sure you got as a lawyer. 1:54:56.520 --> 1:54:59.160 Yeah. 1:54:59.200 --> 1:55:01.720 Well, I be fun because you know, in this episode, 1:55:01.760 --> 1:55:06.320 you really come off like like very sort of uptight, 1:55:06.520 --> 1:55:09.120 like you struck me more as like a New England girl, 1:55:09.360 --> 1:55:11.560 like you know you you don't really hear your accent, 1:55:11.600 --> 1:55:13.040 and I think it'd be really fun for you to 1:55:13.040 --> 1:55:16.560 come on and go like full blown Jersey madam. Yeah, 1:55:16.600 --> 1:55:19.520 like you're like running, you're running a criminal enterprise and 1:55:19.520 --> 1:55:21.000 you're like, what the hell do you cops want? 1:55:21.080 --> 1:55:23.640 You know, like I love some of that. Yeah, you're right? 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:27.360 Are you guys in touch with We've got We've got 1:55:27.400 --> 1:55:29.600 someone who listens listen. 1:55:29.960 --> 1:55:32.360 I need a series fucking regular. 1:55:32.840 --> 1:55:35.560 I need a I have a seventeen year old, so 1:55:36.400 --> 1:55:39.280 I'm trained and ready. 1:55:39.400 --> 1:55:42.440 You would be great John Ice Crys and also just 1:55:42.520 --> 1:55:44.880 fired or let go of two detectives. 1:55:44.920 --> 1:55:46.080 They are in the need for. 1:55:47.240 --> 1:55:51.920 I need you need yes, I need you girls to 1:55:51.960 --> 1:55:53.480 say we just talk to Tammy Flinch. 1:55:53.640 --> 1:55:58.680 We love her and we were back regular. We're your fans, 1:55:59.040 --> 1:56:00.240 not a guest. 1:56:00.040 --> 1:56:02.440 Our girls go go ten percent. 1:56:04.040 --> 1:56:11.400 Yeah we got seven episode yea, it's an episode are Yeah. 1:56:09.840 --> 1:56:12.280 I still can't get I can't even get a serious 1:56:12.320 --> 1:56:14.400 regular you well. 1:56:14.320 --> 1:56:16.200 Because I'm thinking, how we get you to be a 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:18.880 madam but be long term. Maybe you're a lawyer who 1:56:19.160 --> 1:56:22.120 really is a madam behind the scenes, and it's like, uh. 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:26.120 Oh no, the seven that'd be great, nice. 1:56:25.960 --> 1:56:31.880 Little yeah, and you can commute from home and your 1:56:32.000 --> 1:56:36.920 mother a mother. Yeah, well you have a fun IMDb 1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:39.360 cannot we like say the names of projects and then 1:56:39.400 --> 1:56:42.040 you'll say a story like a thing if you'd like 1:56:42.160 --> 1:56:44.720 or what Carara, Well, I was just gonna say, like, so, 1:56:45.440 --> 1:56:47.320 first of all, it's very impressive anybody I think that 1:56:47.360 --> 1:56:49.640 makes the jump from the soaps to the main stuff 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:50.840 because it doesn't happen for everybody. 1:56:50.880 --> 1:56:52.280 A lot of people just do soaps forever. 1:56:52.360 --> 1:56:55.920 So you did Guiding Light for like fifty episodes, and 1:56:55.960 --> 1:56:58.600 then this is like your first Did you do this 1:56:58.720 --> 1:57:00.480 Law and Order first? Or did did you do this 1:57:00.520 --> 1:57:03.520 Life with Judy Garland which you won an Emmy four exciting? 1:57:03.840 --> 1:57:06.560 Yeah, I went right from Guiding Light. 1:57:06.720 --> 1:57:09.480 Literally at Dining Light they called me and said that 1:57:09.520 --> 1:57:13.080 I got Judy Garland. So I went right into Judy Garland, 1:57:13.760 --> 1:57:15.760 and you know, I grew up. My first solo was 1:57:15.800 --> 1:57:17.640 somewhere over the rainbow. I was so scared. 1:57:17.680 --> 1:57:19.040 I have a father that. 1:57:19.000 --> 1:57:22.560 Was a Vietnam Vet alcoholic and a mother that was 1:57:22.680 --> 1:57:26.840 about thirteen children born in Jersey City, dirt poor. So 1:57:26.920 --> 1:57:31.480 these were like really low, low lives growing up for them, 1:57:31.720 --> 1:57:34.920 and you know, struggling people I was born from. Came 1:57:34.960 --> 1:57:38.320 to the household, and my older. 1:57:38.000 --> 1:57:39.080 Brother was a step brother. 1:57:39.160 --> 1:57:42.240 He always beat up my younger brother, and nobody talked 1:57:42.280 --> 1:57:44.200 to me except for my father when he came home 1:57:44.240 --> 1:57:48.760 with ten minutes they up to work, and so my 1:57:48.760 --> 1:57:50.680 mother hated me because my father was so nice to me. 1:57:50.840 --> 1:57:51.600 So it was just. 1:57:51.560 --> 1:57:58.320 An isolated, sad, quiet existence and then anger and violence 1:57:58.400 --> 1:57:59.640 and everything around me. 1:58:00.360 --> 1:58:02.240 And then when I go in my bed at night. 1:58:02.960 --> 1:58:05.800 I had this strong like faith growing up because I 1:58:05.800 --> 1:58:07.480 had an experienced when I was like three or four, 1:58:08.200 --> 1:58:13.920 and I would pray and I would just pray. And 1:58:13.960 --> 1:58:16.960 then when I was about eight or ten, I. 1:58:16.960 --> 1:58:18.040 Think it was like eight old. 1:58:18.080 --> 1:58:21.400 Ever, the principal came in and they were auditioning somewhere 1:58:21.400 --> 1:58:24.640 in the rainbow solo in the chorus, and the principal 1:58:24.680 --> 1:58:26.960 pointed to me and said, let her audition, and I 1:58:27.040 --> 1:58:29.960 stood up and sang when all the world is a 1:58:30.080 --> 1:58:35.720 homeless jumbo that the rain drops tumbo all around and 1:58:35.840 --> 1:58:40.520 then olten some magically, and that's the beginning before somewhere 1:58:40.560 --> 1:58:43.520 in the rainbow. That's what didn't get into the movie. 1:58:43.720 --> 1:58:46.120 And she said I could sing it. So when I 1:58:46.200 --> 1:58:48.280 got up and sang this thing, my mom did my 1:58:48.320 --> 1:58:51.480 hair like Judy Garland. It ended up in the Jersey Journal. 1:58:52.440 --> 1:58:53.560 My parents and. 1:58:53.440 --> 1:58:54.480 Everyone came to this. 1:58:54.560 --> 1:58:55.840 I got stuff about it. 1:58:55.960 --> 1:58:59.600 Everyone looked at me. They started looking at me, like 1:58:59.640 --> 1:59:02.560 my mom and everything. So I realized that this is 1:59:02.600 --> 1:59:06.560 something that will make me be seen and heard and 1:59:06.640 --> 1:59:09.760 something that will help Like there was smiles in the family, 1:59:09.960 --> 1:59:11.760 like when I got off the stage, like in the paper, 1:59:12.200 --> 1:59:15.480 everyone looking at the paper, you know. And so I 1:59:15.520 --> 1:59:21.400 got to feel so acting expressing has been something that 1:59:21.480 --> 1:59:24.160 can help me and my family, and that's why I 1:59:24.160 --> 1:59:25.880 wanted to do it and keep doing it. And the 1:59:25.960 --> 1:59:27.680 more I did it, then when I got dining, like 1:59:28.280 --> 1:59:30.440 you know, I started making three thousand. I put everyone 1:59:30.440 --> 1:59:32.120 in the house and I stayed in the basement and 1:59:32.160 --> 1:59:34.880 I paid for the whole house, you know, Like, so 1:59:35.160 --> 1:59:38.000 it was just something that could help me in my family. 1:59:38.280 --> 1:59:40.200 Did you get that a lot when you were growing 1:59:40.280 --> 1:59:42.240 up that you look like her. I mean because you 1:59:42.480 --> 1:59:45.760 I from the episode you have the dark hair of SVU. 1:59:45.920 --> 1:59:48.000 Like, I'm like, she does look like Judy Garland. 1:59:48.680 --> 1:59:49.120 I did. 1:59:49.160 --> 1:59:52.080 And then the first play we did in the so 1:59:52.200 --> 1:59:53.840 that was like maybe sixth grade or whatever. 1:59:53.920 --> 1:59:57.120 So the school ended up. I did the first full. 1:59:57.000 --> 1:59:59.720 Play I ever did was The Wizard of Oz, and 2:00:01.120 --> 2:00:05.360 the school principle became kind of department schools. The music 2:00:05.400 --> 2:00:08.040 teacher became like we just started a whole theater system 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:10.440 to where now there's like an award you can get 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:13.120 a thousand dollars scholarship with my name on it. You know, 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:15.920 like there's great things that have happened from it. But 2:00:16.080 --> 2:00:20.480 the Judy thing, Wisdom of Oz, like that whole theory 2:00:20.520 --> 2:00:23.520 of like there's no place like home, you know, and 2:00:23.560 --> 2:00:27.720 loving the people you're with, and like I just loved 2:00:27.840 --> 2:00:30.160 Judy Garland all my life, and she was like a 2:00:30.200 --> 2:00:34.000 sense of support that I could I could be like her. 2:00:34.320 --> 2:00:38.320 And so they did that, and then I was working 2:00:38.320 --> 2:00:41.680 on Dining Light and I told my manager, if you 2:00:41.800 --> 2:00:45.000 ever see there making anything about Judy Garland, you have 2:00:45.080 --> 2:00:47.800 to let me know, Like I love this woman and 2:00:47.880 --> 2:00:50.480 he came in towards the end of my run there 2:00:50.600 --> 2:00:55.320 and he Backstage magazine they posted they were looking for 2:00:55.440 --> 2:00:57.840 Judy Garland, so anyone who wants to be an actor 2:00:57.920 --> 2:01:01.000 or anything like I literally got that role from reading 2:01:01.080 --> 2:01:05.080 Backstage magazine and going on an open call, and it 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:10.600 can happen to anyone. So they had auditioned me and 2:01:10.720 --> 2:01:13.320 Neil and Craig, the producers who are now big time. 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:16.320 They were like, did you study her your whole life? 2:01:16.360 --> 2:01:17.680 And I was just like, I just love her. 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:19.640 I just love her. I just have a player. Just 2:01:19.680 --> 2:01:21.680 let me play her. I love her. And I walked 2:01:21.680 --> 2:01:23.480 out and they ended up hiring. 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:26.320 Someone else, and I went in the shower and I 2:01:26.600 --> 2:01:29.400 cried and I like fell to the floor and I 2:01:29.480 --> 2:01:32.560 was praying to God, if you don't give me this, 2:01:32.800 --> 2:01:35.320 my whole existence with you isn't real. 2:01:35.440 --> 2:01:36.040 It mustn't be. 2:01:36.080 --> 2:01:38.000 And they called the next day and said she wanted 2:01:38.000 --> 2:01:42.600 to Steven Spielberg's read something on TV and so they're 2:01:42.640 --> 2:01:46.040 giving the part to me. So it's just been like 2:01:46.400 --> 2:01:48.800 a process between me and Judy. 2:01:48.880 --> 2:01:52.280 Wait, let's because we know we have to go. So yeah, well, 2:01:52.360 --> 2:01:54.760 just you could do like quick things. First thing, that 2:01:54.800 --> 2:01:57.400 comes to your mind. We love the movie The Invitation. 2:01:57.840 --> 2:01:58.440 How was that? 2:01:59.040 --> 2:02:04.040 Oh great? That was Yeah, that's how one scared. It 2:02:04.120 --> 2:02:06.480 was a great experience and he film. I worked with 2:02:06.560 --> 2:02:10.920 Mike go Goal and I forgot their names. But when 2:02:10.960 --> 2:02:13.280 I got there, it was all people that I had 2:02:13.280 --> 2:02:16.000 already worked with, and we were in a house like 2:02:16.080 --> 2:02:16.640 all together. 2:02:16.800 --> 2:02:18.880 It was. It was creepy, but it. 2:02:18.800 --> 2:02:22.280 Was it was good. It's good character. Sama is a genius. 2:02:22.320 --> 2:02:25.120 She's the one that made Michelle Rodriguez, who's from Jersey 2:02:25.160 --> 2:02:28.720 City next to me the city over famous. 2:02:28.920 --> 2:02:30.480 So she had just offered me. 2:02:30.560 --> 2:02:33.400 And when someone offers you something, you just feel so 2:02:33.640 --> 2:02:34.800 good about yourself and be. 2:02:34.840 --> 2:02:37.480 Like, no, you can do your best. The good Shepherd 2:02:38.200 --> 2:02:39.080 Robert's in the ero. 2:02:39.640 --> 2:02:44.240 Yeah, I was still with uh. 2:02:44.800 --> 2:02:47.600 I was still with her father, and I was playing 2:02:47.680 --> 2:02:49.640 Laura like very victimy. 2:02:49.360 --> 2:02:52.680 Like oh you know, I'm shucked. Oh yeah, are you good? 2:02:53.160 --> 2:02:54.920 And he was like at the end of the shoot, 2:02:54.920 --> 2:02:57.320 he was like, Damny, come here, he whiskers in your ear. 2:02:57.400 --> 2:03:00.360 You know, do you play the victim in your life? 2:03:01.080 --> 2:03:04.000 And it was like a realization moment for me. I 2:03:04.040 --> 2:03:06.560 was like, oh my god, I do like I do 2:03:06.800 --> 2:03:10.000 play the weak person all the time, and he was 2:03:10.080 --> 2:03:12.840 like never played the victim. And I think from then 2:03:12.960 --> 2:03:16.120 on that like changed how I took on every role, 2:03:16.280 --> 2:03:19.360 like just in a more strength based kind of fashion. 2:03:19.600 --> 2:03:22.840 Even though you're in pain and struggling, still have some 2:03:22.960 --> 2:03:25.040 kind of strength. And I think that like your strength 2:03:25.080 --> 2:03:29.040 and life, sometimes it's just your honesty and like it's 2:03:29.320 --> 2:03:32.640 any kind of pulling back from that honesty is like 2:03:32.720 --> 2:03:35.720 a sense of fear or like vulnerability that you don't 2:03:35.760 --> 2:03:38.120 need to have, like even if your honesty is. 2:03:38.240 --> 2:03:41.040 Shit, show like let it be known, you know. 2:03:41.000 --> 2:03:41.440 What I mean. 2:03:41.960 --> 2:03:46.920 I can't believe Robert de Niro like so kind of 2:03:47.120 --> 2:03:50.560 that's so cool and like bold and nah. 2:03:50.640 --> 2:03:55.280 It was Yanni's whispery and I had actually had a 2:03:55.280 --> 2:03:56.640 moment because I'm I'm this. 2:03:56.560 --> 2:03:57.120 Kind of person. 2:03:57.120 --> 2:03:59.720 I think why he gave me any kind of advice 2:04:00.200 --> 2:04:04.760 was because he was down the street and we were 2:04:04.760 --> 2:04:07.120 in the scene where I'm opening the door and there's 2:04:07.160 --> 2:04:09.800 an a D behind the door and he's down the 2:04:09.840 --> 2:04:12.840 street and AD keeps saying, Okay, open it right, and 2:04:12.840 --> 2:04:14.640 the camera's there and I opened it when the AD 2:04:14.760 --> 2:04:16.840 and it's not right, it's not right, it's not the 2:04:16.920 --> 2:04:18.840 right time three or four times, and I'm like, you're 2:04:18.880 --> 2:04:19.320 telling me. 2:04:19.280 --> 2:04:20.960 To open it, and open it. I look out at 2:04:21.000 --> 2:04:22.480 the he goes, wait, he's coming. 2:04:22.920 --> 2:04:26.680 So I looked out the window and Robertson Niro's marching 2:04:26.760 --> 2:04:29.680 down the middle of the street. You know what I mean, 2:04:29.760 --> 2:04:32.800 We're just fucking walked right, And I'm like, oh shit, 2:04:32.920 --> 2:04:35.120 but I'm still like my sweet self, you know what 2:04:35.160 --> 2:04:38.920 I mean. Inside, he opens the door and he goes, 2:04:40.200 --> 2:04:43.760 he goes, you don't know how to open the door 2:04:43.800 --> 2:04:46.440 when so it's just open the door and the I 2:04:46.520 --> 2:04:48.480 don't know. My mother and father and me came out, 2:04:48.520 --> 2:04:51.040 and I was like, he fucking told me to open 2:04:51.080 --> 2:04:52.280 the door, So I opened it. 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:53.520 When he opens it. 2:04:54.160 --> 2:04:56.800 Right after thing, it's just like this sweet person a 2:04:56.840 --> 2:05:05.320 long time and he went like this and I was like, yeah, 2:05:05.400 --> 2:05:07.680 I don't know what the fuck just happened, but it 2:05:07.800 --> 2:05:09.800 was great, Like like. 2:05:10.160 --> 2:05:12.160 Got a kick out of somebody standing up for. 2:05:12.080 --> 2:05:15.640 Herself a little bit. Didn't want you to play the victim? Yeah, yeah, 2:05:15.640 --> 2:05:16.880 that's funny. 2:05:16.800 --> 2:05:20.560 Damon, Like he tried to really French kiss made and 2:05:20.720 --> 2:05:23.240 I was like, what he from the soap operas, dude, 2:05:23.360 --> 2:05:26.560 Like we don't really stick our tongue in each other's mouths, like, 2:05:26.680 --> 2:05:29.040 and I pulled away on the beach and I was like, 2:05:29.320 --> 2:05:32.080 I have a boyfriend. 2:05:31.200 --> 2:05:34.080 I can't say it. 2:05:34.240 --> 2:05:37.200 So yeah, I can't believe Matt Damon used tongue. That 2:05:37.360 --> 2:05:38.560 is crazy. Wow. 2:05:39.040 --> 2:05:41.080 Only on this podcast do we get this, We get 2:05:41.080 --> 2:05:42.120 a really good scoop. 2:05:42.240 --> 2:05:44.120 Yeah. 2:05:44.160 --> 2:05:48.280 Any stories about working with Brittany Murphy and the ram 2:05:48.320 --> 2:05:51.680 and girl, uh said. 2:05:51.520 --> 2:05:55.560 It's like someone literally like offered me thirty grand to 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:59.000 tell my stories because I actually worked with her again 2:05:59.760 --> 2:06:05.640 on I think her last movie. That's what I say. 2:06:05.680 --> 2:06:08.240 Like the Judie Garland story, it's kind of similar. It's 2:06:08.280 --> 2:06:14.360 like someone who just didn't learn to love themselves and 2:06:14.520 --> 2:06:19.200 someone coming and just vulturizing and tearing her apart, and 2:06:20.840 --> 2:06:24.240 guys just so sad because Simon was there too, and 2:06:24.280 --> 2:06:27.960 it was at the end what he did to her, 2:06:28.080 --> 2:06:31.560 and that's. 2:06:31.400 --> 2:06:33.520 Just I just fucking feel so veted. 2:06:35.080 --> 2:06:38.640 She said this to me because it was really bad 2:06:38.680 --> 2:06:41.320 and I had just had my daughter six months old, 2:06:42.000 --> 2:06:43.720 and she wanted me to come there and play her 2:06:43.720 --> 2:06:46.600 best friend and part and I was getting like twenty 2:06:46.640 --> 2:06:49.879 grand and she wasn't showing up on time and everything 2:06:49.920 --> 2:06:51.920 and they said, if we fire her, she's gotting more 2:06:52.040 --> 2:06:54.920 fifty you know, do you want the part if they 2:06:55.000 --> 2:06:57.600 can't continue the film because they're losing so much money 2:06:57.600 --> 2:07:00.680 with her, you know, being late and stuff. Well, I 2:07:00.760 --> 2:07:03.920 take it. She's getting one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, 2:07:04.240 --> 2:07:06.680 they'll give it to me. I had a six month 2:07:06.720 --> 2:07:10.360 old child, you know, I know money because I through 2:07:10.360 --> 2:07:13.600 the birthday didn't work and my guy didn't work. And 2:07:13.720 --> 2:07:18.400 I told her the next day before we were shooting scene, 2:07:18.680 --> 2:07:21.480 I told her, I said, Brittany, they're gonna fire you 2:07:21.720 --> 2:07:24.480 if you don't start coming in on time. And I'm 2:07:24.520 --> 2:07:27.360 telling you, I'm gonna take the job, like I need 2:07:27.400 --> 2:07:30.960 the money, you know. And she turned her around to me. 2:07:31.200 --> 2:07:31.960 She was in front of me. 2:07:32.040 --> 2:07:34.040 She turned around to me, and she whisked her hair back. 2:07:34.760 --> 2:07:38.120 She said, Timmy, some people are lucky and make it 2:07:38.160 --> 2:07:42.680 in their thirties, like Meryl Street. And I said, Brittany, 2:07:43.120 --> 2:07:45.160 just make sure you start coming to work on time. 2:07:45.360 --> 2:07:47.760 That's it. Don't matter how you show up, just show 2:07:47.840 --> 2:07:48.400 up on time. 2:07:49.960 --> 2:07:50.680 And that was it. 2:07:51.120 --> 2:07:54.320 And I like, I was offered at a time when 2:07:54.360 --> 2:07:57.680 I had like nothing in the bank, like thirty grand 2:07:57.760 --> 2:08:01.360 to tell the whole story, and I never will do 2:08:01.440 --> 2:08:04.240 it on something lives like this, you know what I mean, personally, 2:08:04.240 --> 2:08:06.840 one on one I'll tell people because it's great cautionary 2:08:06.880 --> 2:08:10.400 tale for anybody, especially people in business. But I would 2:08:10.400 --> 2:08:13.120 never expose her like that because I know she was 2:08:13.200 --> 2:08:15.120 just a Judy Garland, you know. 2:08:15.880 --> 2:08:16.839 And it's a sad. 2:08:16.680 --> 2:08:17.600 Story it is. 2:08:18.160 --> 2:08:19.400 But I love the girl. 2:08:20.680 --> 2:08:25.760 Yeah, I have loved so much for her work, and yes, yeah, 2:08:25.800 --> 2:08:26.879 it's just so beloved. 2:08:26.960 --> 2:08:30.240 I think that's why people like keep still talk about 2:08:30.240 --> 2:08:30.880 her so much. 2:08:30.960 --> 2:08:32.680 You know, she was everybody loved her. 2:08:33.840 --> 2:08:37.400 It was really like a Judy Garland. But I think 2:08:37.440 --> 2:08:39.840 I have to get my kid right. Oh. 2:08:39.880 --> 2:08:41.800 I have a Harvey Weinstein story too. 2:08:41.920 --> 2:08:44.960 Oh Jesus, you can't leave us hanging. I want to 2:08:44.960 --> 2:08:46.960 know about Bernette Peters and Gypsy too. 2:08:47.920 --> 2:08:49.320 He's wonderful, wonderful. 2:08:49.360 --> 2:08:49.920 I love her. 2:08:50.720 --> 2:08:53.200 Barbari Weinstein want to see me. While I was doing Gypsy, 2:08:53.320 --> 2:08:56.200 I was with AB's father. I said, you know, he 2:08:56.240 --> 2:08:57.800 wants to see me. He might have a movie once 2:08:57.840 --> 2:08:59.920 to dinner and father was like, you're not going anyw 2:09:00.160 --> 2:09:01.920 unless it's an awful blah blah blah. I don't both 2:09:01.920 --> 2:09:04.160 see him after I break up with him. I'm in 2:09:04.400 --> 2:09:07.240 La turning to do pilot season and my manager goes 2:09:07.280 --> 2:09:09.160 he wants to see you. I'm like, oh, well, okay. 2:09:09.200 --> 2:09:12.080 So we go to Beverly Hillson towel. There's two chairs 2:09:12.120 --> 2:09:17.440 outside of hotel room. A blonde opens the door, walks 2:09:17.520 --> 2:09:20.240 me through a pallor there's a breakfast table into a 2:09:20.280 --> 2:09:22.680 bedroom and you know the thing in front of the 2:09:22.680 --> 2:09:26.200 bed where you sit down on. Sits me there and 2:09:26.240 --> 2:09:28.720 I shut the door and I'm sitting there and here 2:09:28.760 --> 2:09:30.760 comes to my prayer, you know what I mean. I'm like, 2:09:30.920 --> 2:09:34.160 what is going on? Like this is not right? And 2:09:34.200 --> 2:09:36.360 I start praying and I have this thing where I 2:09:36.360 --> 2:09:39.320 feel in trouble. I say, come into my eyes. You know, 2:09:39.400 --> 2:09:41.600 Geez comes to my house. So Gesez, come into my eyes. 2:09:41.600 --> 2:09:44.680 And I'm looking around that he opens the door in 2:09:44.720 --> 2:09:49.840 a white robe with a smile, opens the door. 2:09:50.160 --> 2:09:51.440 I turn like this, I. 2:09:51.400 --> 2:09:55.320 Look him right in the eyes and his smile goes, 2:09:56.960 --> 2:10:00.600 turns around and walks away, shuts the door right. The 2:10:00.680 --> 2:10:03.200 blonde opens the door and says he can't see you today. 2:10:03.680 --> 2:10:04.280 And I leave. 2:10:05.040 --> 2:10:07.160 True story, What the hell? 2:10:08.200 --> 2:10:10.600 No idea? And then when they were saying this stuff. 2:10:10.640 --> 2:10:15.520 I was like, oh my god, like, wow, I'm just. 2:10:15.400 --> 2:10:17.080 Coming, you know what I mean? Like what what? 2:10:18.400 --> 2:10:23.640 But how bold? How bad? How bold? How bad? Wow? 2:10:23.440 --> 2:10:25.960 How how did that? 2:10:26.040 --> 2:10:27.880 So do you think he just saw you and you 2:10:27.880 --> 2:10:29.520 looked him right in the eyes and he thought this 2:10:29.560 --> 2:10:31.280 one's not this one like she's gonna be. 2:10:31.320 --> 2:10:32.000 Too much trouble. 2:10:32.720 --> 2:10:36.360 I'm a believer, so there's something you know, for believers 2:10:36.400 --> 2:10:39.560 if you believe in I'm in that kind of presence 2:10:39.600 --> 2:10:39.840 in you. 2:10:40.000 --> 2:10:47.240 So yeah, Tammy, Oh my god, incredible. This was amazing. 2:10:47.680 --> 2:10:49.600 Thanks for being so open and honest. 2:10:53.760 --> 2:10:57.880 Thrilling. Wow, what a character. Good stories, good stories. 2:10:57.920 --> 2:11:00.960 She's got stories. And she's a funny lady. She's just 2:11:01.080 --> 2:11:04.800 like give me the work. I like, how funny? Like 2:11:04.880 --> 2:11:08.360 I just you know, you think when you see somebody 2:11:08.360 --> 2:11:10.000 perform an episode of s view, you know what they're 2:11:10.040 --> 2:11:12.040 gonna be like when we interview them, and they can 2:11:12.080 --> 2:11:15.200 be so different. And she was so surprisingly different but 2:11:15.360 --> 2:11:18.560 so fun to talk to. I enjoyed her a lot. Yeah, 2:11:18.680 --> 2:11:20.920 and what do you mean you're a blonde? Like that 2:11:21.080 --> 2:11:22.080 kind of broke my brain. 2:11:22.720 --> 2:11:25.560 Unfortunate. Yes, yes, you guys couldn't see that. 2:11:25.640 --> 2:11:30.600 But but Platinum Blonde on the interview with us good Scoop, 2:11:30.680 --> 2:11:33.200 Good stories, Yeah, good vibe. 2:11:34.200 --> 2:11:39.840 Bad episode, bad episode. I mean only the first season two. 2:11:40.840 --> 2:11:41.920 This is only one of. 2:11:43.360 --> 2:11:46.280 Fifteen episodes they do about rape on college campuses. I 2:11:46.320 --> 2:11:47.640 would say over twenty six seasons. 2:11:47.720 --> 2:11:49.560 Yeah, but you know what this made me think of it? 2:11:49.640 --> 2:11:52.919 I'm shocked we didn't even mention it in the intro. 2:11:53.720 --> 2:11:55.320 But I bet they're going to do an episode next 2:11:55.320 --> 2:11:57.240 season about it. But it's like p Diddy in the 2:11:57.360 --> 2:11:59.440 and those are those are That's what was getting me 2:11:59.520 --> 2:12:03.080 going to on Instagram was the comics. Yeah, the way 2:12:03.240 --> 2:12:05.640 the people that are testifying are being treated, the way 2:12:05.640 --> 2:12:08.160 people are acting about like why didn't you like just 2:12:08.240 --> 2:12:11.640 all the classic stuff and how it's just so pervasive 2:12:11.680 --> 2:12:14.160 and how will we ever get rid of this? Like 2:12:15.120 --> 2:12:18.200 notion like why are people sympathizing with this man? I 2:12:18.240 --> 2:12:20.839 was also disgusted that his kids were all there adult 2:12:20.960 --> 2:12:22.360 or not, like disgusting. 2:12:23.080 --> 2:12:26.040 Yeah, I honestly have to be honest, like I've been 2:12:26.120 --> 2:12:27.680 staying away from the ditty stuff. 2:12:27.720 --> 2:12:30.280 It's like so dark to me. Yeah, it's really, it's 2:12:30.320 --> 2:12:31.560 so so That's what I mean. 2:12:31.600 --> 2:12:34.040 There's no consistency where it's like I'm want, I'm I'm 2:12:34.080 --> 2:12:37.560 reading about horrific crimes constantly. No not, I have a 2:12:37.600 --> 2:12:40.320 lot of problems with it. It's like quite upsetting and 2:12:40.440 --> 2:12:45.440 has turned me into a psychotic, paranoid person. But I 2:12:45.520 --> 2:12:48.800 live in fear. But yeah, no, the ditty darkness is 2:12:48.880 --> 2:12:51.920 really bad. Maybe once he's convicted. Like I'm also really 2:12:51.960 --> 2:12:55.720 scared because I was talking to comics but they don't know. 2:12:55.960 --> 2:12:57.920 I have to do my own research. But it's like 2:12:58.680 --> 2:13:02.040 because it's a ric Okay, it's like it's not about 2:13:02.200 --> 2:13:05.680 these sex crimes, so it's like character witnesses, I think, 2:13:05.680 --> 2:13:08.120 but like it has nothing to do with what's going on. 2:13:08.880 --> 2:13:11.840 And I was just hearing conversations about that the prosecution 2:13:12.120 --> 2:13:15.720 is not playing this well and it's but like usually 2:13:15.840 --> 2:13:18.080 New York State's really good about or is this federal 2:13:18.160 --> 2:13:21.120 Like they don't bring things up to trial unless it's 2:13:21.360 --> 2:13:25.040 so I don't know what's going on, like how because 2:13:25.080 --> 2:13:26.960 he could have done those crimes, But I don't know 2:13:27.000 --> 2:13:31.120 if they're going to be able to prove the racketeering, conspiracy, 2:13:31.200 --> 2:13:34.640 all of that organized crime of it all. So I 2:13:34.640 --> 2:13:37.280 don't know how many witnesses they have. Why they started 2:13:37.320 --> 2:13:39.800 with this if they're trying to inflict, I don't. Everything's 2:13:39.840 --> 2:13:42.600 a tactic, you know, and all this is important, but 2:13:43.480 --> 2:13:45.800 I'm just scared because of this one convo that like 2:13:45.880 --> 2:13:47.360 he's not going to get convicted. 2:13:47.840 --> 2:13:49.120 Yeah, and we've seen before. 2:13:49.280 --> 2:13:51.840 I feel like he gets cocky and they don't prep enough, 2:13:51.880 --> 2:13:53.560 like we've seen that happen in other Yeah. 2:13:53.600 --> 2:13:55.680 So I think with Casey Anthony is one that comes 2:13:55.680 --> 2:13:56.080 to mind. 2:13:56.640 --> 2:13:59.840 I've just been seeing all these snippets of Cassie, like 2:14:00.040 --> 2:14:02.960 her like quotes from her testimony, and I just feel 2:14:03.000 --> 2:14:05.520 so bad for her. And I'm just like, and she 2:14:05.640 --> 2:14:07.920 has this like husband who's standing by her now, which 2:14:07.960 --> 2:14:10.160 I love, and like he's like I didn't save her, 2:14:10.200 --> 2:14:11.200 she saved herself. 2:14:11.360 --> 2:14:13.720 Like you know. I it's just like I just. 2:14:13.760 --> 2:14:15.960 Haven't been getting into I've been following, but like I'm 2:14:16.000 --> 2:14:17.960 not getting into the nitty gritty, Like I haven't watched 2:14:18.000 --> 2:14:20.040 the Hulu doc. I think there's like a five part 2:14:20.120 --> 2:14:21.800 Hulu doc that people are like, you should watch that 2:14:21.880 --> 2:14:24.600 at give and I'm like, I just I'm like for now, 2:14:24.640 --> 2:14:27.160 I'm just like arms length without it just feels. 2:14:26.960 --> 2:14:29.840 Really really And I guess there was another witness that 2:14:29.960 --> 2:14:32.960 was walking in and like people were harassing her on 2:14:33.040 --> 2:14:35.600 the way in. It's just like we're truly still in 2:14:35.640 --> 2:14:39.720 the Witch Trials, like always, like we've just like our 2:14:39.840 --> 2:14:41.839 views on this are so archaic. 2:14:42.680 --> 2:14:45.040 Yeah, but it's also like the power of celebrity. It's 2:14:45.040 --> 2:14:47.040 like people will just be like, I love this guy. 2:14:47.080 --> 2:14:49.720 I've always loved him, I've always loved his music or whatever, 2:14:49.840 --> 2:14:51.440 and he couldn't have done this, but. 2:14:51.440 --> 2:14:54.960 No, I love It's also like he's he's also people 2:14:54.960 --> 2:14:58.400 defending him. It's like people think he fucking killed kim Porter. 2:14:58.880 --> 2:15:01.520 They think he fucking kis Bill his best friend? Like 2:15:01.560 --> 2:15:05.360 he's been a criminal for decades and who was it? 2:15:05.400 --> 2:15:10.120 Oh Wendy Willia was it? Wendy made like Wendy's always 2:15:10.160 --> 2:15:12.200 talked about him being a criminal. But there's someone on 2:15:12.240 --> 2:15:16.760 the carpet with TLC and they make a joke about him, 2:15:16.800 --> 2:15:19.480 going like, oh is Rosy O'Donnell making a joke to 2:15:19.520 --> 2:15:21.480 them about him serving five to ten or something and 2:15:21.600 --> 2:15:24.080 TLC's laughing. This is in the nineties, so it's like 2:15:24.560 --> 2:15:27.640 this all of like I don't get people writing from 2:15:27.640 --> 2:15:30.440 that hard because his music is all taken from others 2:15:30.480 --> 2:15:33.640 and built on the talent of others, right, right, he's also. 2:15:33.840 --> 2:15:36.360 Maybe killed his best friend. 2:15:36.720 --> 2:15:39.000 All these people, Like I don't get why we're writing 2:15:39.040 --> 2:15:40.600 for it, Like what has he done for you? 2:15:40.680 --> 2:15:40.960 That is? 2:15:41.120 --> 2:15:42.480 That is the thing. That's the thing. 2:15:42.520 --> 2:15:45.120 It's like I think it's literally for a lot of people, 2:15:45.200 --> 2:15:48.960 it's like the entrepreneurship and the like empire, like they 2:15:49.040 --> 2:15:51.640 people respect the power because you're right, the music, isn't 2:15:51.680 --> 2:15:56.440 it Like yeah, sure, uh the the every breath you 2:15:56.480 --> 2:15:58.240 take cover? Why am I blanking on what it's called? 2:15:59.040 --> 2:16:01.200 Like I'm just saying, yeah, in high school, we all 2:16:01.240 --> 2:16:03.720 love that. But like, I don't think the music is 2:16:03.760 --> 2:16:05.520 what people are Like. I think people think of like 2:16:05.680 --> 2:16:09.400 the parties, the opulence Sean John, like the alcohol's hypnot, 2:16:09.560 --> 2:16:12.840 like you know why there like empires, like the empire 2:16:12.920 --> 2:16:15.720 that he built as just kind of like a rich person, 2:16:15.880 --> 2:16:18.800 not even like a person with talent per se. 2:16:18.560 --> 2:16:21.960 Like someone holding an umbrella for him. Yeah. 2:16:22.080 --> 2:16:24.000 Yeah, And then I saw another car, like I had 2:16:24.000 --> 2:16:25.640 a spot and like a guy was like did you 2:16:25.720 --> 2:16:29.080 hear his Like, oh, his dick is like a tutsie roll, 2:16:29.680 --> 2:16:31.280 And I go, that's what you took from all of that, 2:16:31.520 --> 2:16:33.560 Like the size of his tiny dad, It's just like, 2:16:33.560 --> 2:16:34.480 you're not horrified. 2:16:34.520 --> 2:16:36.039 I was just like annoyed. I guess I'm like. 2:16:36.040 --> 2:16:39.119 Annoyed, and I know I'm going to get deep into 2:16:39.160 --> 2:16:41.040 this eventually, I just like can't. 2:16:41.200 --> 2:16:43.240 Yeah, somebody in one of my mom groups did bring 2:16:43.320 --> 2:16:45.200 up not my mom group, somebody in one of my 2:16:45.360 --> 2:16:48.760 Bravo groups brought up what you were talking about, which 2:16:48.800 --> 2:16:52.680 was I wonder how much Heather Thompson knows Halla. You know, 2:16:53.400 --> 2:16:55.000 some people were like, I bet she went to the 2:16:55.040 --> 2:16:57.240 early parties and never stayed for the freak offs. And 2:16:57.240 --> 2:17:00.600 I'm like, that also probably makes sense, you know, because 2:17:00.640 --> 2:17:03.040 I could see her being like gotta go mama, like 2:17:03.200 --> 2:17:09.840 you know, but uh fuck, yeah, it's crazy and this 2:17:10.600 --> 2:17:12.640 I don't know. The post mortem on this episode is 2:17:12.680 --> 2:17:14.640 like I want to say, oh, yeah, this episode is 2:17:14.680 --> 2:17:20.080 from you know, twenty two thousand, you know what, and 2:17:20.480 --> 2:17:23.280 nothing has changed on college campuses, nothing has changed in 2:17:23.320 --> 2:17:25.840 that way. But we you gotta be a girl's girl. 2:17:25.879 --> 2:17:28.000 I mean, these dumb bitches like are you out of 2:17:28.040 --> 2:17:33.360 your mind? Like we like that. That's like college is 2:17:33.440 --> 2:17:35.560 just crazy crazy. 2:17:35.640 --> 2:17:37.640 Yeah, it is crazy. 2:17:37.720 --> 2:17:41.040 It's lawless and they have their own law. They try 2:17:41.080 --> 2:17:43.560 to make their own law and it's like crazy. But 2:17:45.040 --> 2:17:46.680 we can move on to what would Sister Peg do, 2:17:47.640 --> 2:17:52.000 our weekly segment where we highlight an article, a book, 2:17:52.040 --> 2:17:54.720 a blog post of a doc something to give you 2:17:54.760 --> 2:17:57.279 more info about what we talked about in today's episode. 2:17:57.280 --> 2:17:59.520 And I wanted to point everybody to the twenty fifteen 2:17:59.520 --> 2:18:02.840 documentary The Hunting Ground, about the culture of sexual assault 2:18:02.840 --> 2:18:06.320 on college campuses in the United States, and I would 2:18:06.320 --> 2:18:09.000 be interested to hear from our listeners actually, because we 2:18:09.040 --> 2:18:10.720 have a lot of listeners from like the UK and 2:18:10.760 --> 2:18:14.120 Australia if this is the same there, Like, is the 2:18:14.160 --> 2:18:17.200 culture of sexual assault as rampant there as it is 2:18:17.280 --> 2:18:20.560 over here. In particular, this doc focuses on Annie E. 2:18:20.680 --> 2:18:23.800 Clark and Andrea Pino to former University of North Carolina 2:18:23.840 --> 2:18:26.720 Chapel Hill students who filed a title line complaint against 2:18:26.800 --> 2:18:29.720 unc in response to their rapes. It is streaming on 2:18:29.800 --> 2:18:32.000 Prime and Apple TV, and we will link to that 2:18:32.200 --> 2:18:35.480 in our show notes and in a story the day 2:18:35.520 --> 2:18:39.360 this episode comes out. And I think this documentary is 2:18:39.440 --> 2:18:43.959 really really eye opening for a lot of people, And yeah, 2:18:44.040 --> 2:18:46.600 follow us on Instagram. That's messed up pod for all 2:18:46.640 --> 2:18:48.560 of our What would Sister peg do's and all of 2:18:48.600 --> 2:18:51.320 our episode announces and stuff like that. 2:18:52.240 --> 2:18:57.240 And next week we got a back to back season 2:18:57.360 --> 2:18:58.600 premiere double. 2:18:58.680 --> 2:18:59.560 I don't know what I'm saying. 2:18:59.560 --> 2:19:03.560 It's a double episode and the Empire strikes Back and 2:19:03.720 --> 2:19:05.560 never turn your back on Them. 2:19:05.600 --> 2:19:08.000 Thanks War and Light for those smooth titles. 2:19:10.840 --> 2:19:14.440 Are they both star Wars and the Empire Strikes Back 2:19:14.520 --> 2:19:15.720 is definitely star wars y? 2:19:15.840 --> 2:19:17.160 But what it never turned. 2:19:17.360 --> 2:19:19.760 Never turn your back on Them? I don't think has anything. 2:19:20.080 --> 2:19:22.840 Maybe that's a Star Wars. Is that a Star Wars thing? Casey, No, 2:19:22.959 --> 2:19:23.520 I don't think so. 2:19:23.920 --> 2:19:27.640 But it's season twenty three, episode one and two. 2:19:28.160 --> 2:19:31.720 So yeah, so hit up the first you got extra homework. 2:19:32.400 --> 2:19:36.560 Thank you guys so much for listening. As usual, We 2:19:36.640 --> 2:19:38.840 love you guys. We'll see you next week. 2:19:47.200 --> 2:19:49.440 That's Messed Up as an exactly right production. 2:19:49.840 --> 2:19:51.920 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:19:52.000 --> 2:19:54.240 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:19:54.280 --> 2:19:57.560 it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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