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Speaker 2: And the rut is over? Or is it?
Speaker 3: Did you know that there are still a lot of
Speaker 3: running action. The bucks are still in the mood if
Speaker 3: they can find the right dough. Let's see if they're
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Speaker 2: Let's go.
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Speaker 3: Tyler Jones is here and in attendance via telecommunication not telekinesis.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, he might be capable of that.
Speaker 2: Mark Kenyon, what's up? Man?
Speaker 4: It's good to be here. Good to be here. And
Speaker 4: when you say telekinesis the first thing that comes on
Speaker 4: mind's tenacious d Now retrospect you probably do you guys?
Speaker 4: Do you have you ever listened to Nation?
Speaker 2: I hate to admit it, but I have.
Speaker 4: There's a good song and about telekinesis. So I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's that's a fun off topic.
Speaker 3: The one that for me was a Pokemon. There was
Speaker 3: a Pokemon that was like a telekinetic.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that, Mark, I was not a Pokemon player.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, you're you're the nerd today.
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the deal.
Speaker 4: I love this, this is great. Let's go down this
Speaker 4: path further.
Speaker 2: Pokemon, star Wars. What else?
Speaker 4: Man, Lord of the Rings?
Speaker 3: I can we can go on Man.
Speaker 2: Star Trek. I got some Star Trek game. He's a
Speaker 2: lot like Sheldon. Yeah, random that, Like.
Speaker 4: Are we talking about deer today?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 4: We're talking about deer right, Well that's in.
Speaker 3: The interviews just start. It's just just just for the
Speaker 3: last But no, this is Reference radio where we talk
Speaker 3: about the rut and all things fresh, and it's on
Speaker 3: the radio.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So we've been doing a lot of deer hunting, Mark,
Speaker 3: You've been doing some deer hunting in the coldest place
Speaker 3: known to man. It seems it feels like that today
Speaker 3: it is snowy and like wind chill sub ten degrees
Speaker 3: at least.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was actually just out there this morning,
Speaker 4: and my fingers are splitting. I don't know if you
Speaker 4: guys had that, but when you're outside hunting for so
Speaker 4: long in that cold, dry weather, my fingers start to
Speaker 4: actually split. So I got I just put band aids
Speaker 4: and like neo sporn on my fingertips because they're bleeding.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it is chilly.
Speaker 2: So were you hunting this morning?
Speaker 4: I was not hunting this morning.
Speaker 3: I've been hunting a bunch YEP.
Speaker 4: I was hunting last night. I was out the day before,
Speaker 4: the day before that, and I showed a couple days
Speaker 4: for Thanksgiving. I was hunting most of the week before that.
Speaker 4: So the last you know, seven to nine days, I've
Speaker 4: been out there for almost all of it. So it's
Speaker 4: all been in Michigan. So yeah, I feel like I
Speaker 4: got a good sense of what has been going on
Speaker 4: out here.
Speaker 2: Tell us about what's been going on.
Speaker 4: Well, I think what I have seen is the beginning
Speaker 4: of that big shift as we shift out of November
Speaker 4: and out of the rut for much of the country
Speaker 4: and into that next phase of the year, which for
Speaker 4: you know, those of us up here in Michigan and elsewhere,
Speaker 4: we're shifting into that late season type of behavior.
Speaker 5: Pattern.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, like I said, I've been out in
Speaker 4: the woods.
Speaker 6: Ten out of the last twelve days something like that,
Speaker 6: and you know, I was still seeing some of that
Speaker 6: you know, cruising, some of that bumping around stuff, you know,
Speaker 6: in that last that third week of November in the
Speaker 6: beginning of the twenties.
Speaker 4: But the last few days, maybe since the twenty fifth
Speaker 4: or so, I've not seen anything the last three or
Speaker 4: four hunts like ruddy type behavior. Now that can change, right,
Speaker 4: You can still see that kind of thing happen this
Speaker 4: time of the year, especially if you get a little
Speaker 4: dough fon that pops into heat here. But almost everything
Speaker 4: has been on a feeding pattern. It's been you know,
Speaker 4: every dear coming out at the end of daylight heading
Speaker 4: out to go feed in the highest carbohydrate type food
Speaker 4: source around, and Bucks just mining their own business. Bucks
Speaker 4: just feeding does just feeding. It looks like October, right,
Speaker 4: I mean they're back on the same things they were
Speaker 4: doing October first, but now it's a different food source
Speaker 4: and it's much colder and deer are more pressured now.
Speaker 4: So that's I think. Another thing, right is we're going
Speaker 4: back to that bed defeed pattern. But these are deer
Speaker 4: that have been hunted for two plus months now, so
Speaker 4: they're a lot more weary, not moving as early unless
Speaker 4: you can find those spots where they've been able to
Speaker 4: evade hunting pressure. Because we were in our second week
Speaker 4: of gun season here in Michigan, so there's been a
Speaker 4: ton of hunting pressure. So deer are jumpy. That is
Speaker 4: definitely another thing I've seen, like definitely on edge, constantly
Speaker 4: looking around, constantly thinking they're going to get bothered. So
Speaker 4: so yeah, that's what I'm seeing. We had a big
Speaker 4: cold front come through. It's been very cool, like I mentioned,
Speaker 4: and we had snow the last two days. So the
Speaker 4: last two days deer ever really been on their feet,
Speaker 4: hitting the food source and in my case cut corn,
Speaker 4: and the day before the snow arrived that evening before
Speaker 4: they really got after it. So how they don't know
Speaker 4: if I'm rambling too much, but that's that's been exciting stuff.
Speaker 2: Your listeners are used to that. How did the deer know?
Speaker 2: I'm just how did the deer know this?
Speaker 3: Scott kind of said that as a joke, rap, but like, seriously,
Speaker 3: is what do you think it is?
Speaker 2: Why did deer? Howhy are you able to predict fronts?
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 4: My best guess, I think it has to be related
Speaker 4: to barmentric pressure, right, Like, I'm guessing that's the only
Speaker 4: condition change.
Speaker 2: What organ are they using to detect the barometric pressure?
Speaker 3: Mmmm?
Speaker 4: That I do not know?
Speaker 3: See this is where and then maybe this is not
Speaker 3: really arough fresh type thing. But we're going to dive
Speaker 3: into a little bit. I like to think that barimetric
Speaker 3: pressure matters. But scientifically we should be able to, like
Speaker 3: you like the science mark, like, scientifically we should science
Speaker 3: we should be able to point to an organ that
Speaker 3: says the barometric pressure is affected, right, And maybe it
Speaker 3: is like the inner ear or something, and we don't
Speaker 3: quite understand how it works.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, Well, dyll isn't I'm no, I
Speaker 4: don't have this issue. But isn't it a pretty well
Speaker 4: documented phenomenon that people can feel the change in bear
Speaker 4: rut pressure Arthroic people will feel it in the joints,
Speaker 4: so when certain pressure systems come in.
Speaker 2: My wife had surgery on she basically has a fake
Speaker 2: heal bone, and she can feel she can feel the
Speaker 2: weather for sure.
Speaker 4: So I wonder if it's something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: We might need to talk to some some body else
Speaker 3: who actually study this stuff or something instead of us
Speaker 3: just making up some assumptions.
Speaker 2: But I like it too. I like it. I like
Speaker 2: the thought of the bone thing.
Speaker 4: It would it would make sense like from a you know,
Speaker 4: evolutionary perspective, like for this deer to survive, they have
Speaker 4: to be well prepared for changes and conditions, right, Like
Speaker 4: for if a deer wants to make it through a
Speaker 4: tough snowstorm, years and years worth of tough snowstorms, it
Speaker 4: would behoove these critters to you know, get on and
Speaker 4: pack on the food ahead of those things. So you
Speaker 4: would think that, you know, natural selection would eventually select
Speaker 4: for deer or wildlife of a kind that that knows
Speaker 4: to feed at the right times or to feed a
Speaker 4: little extra at the right times. And so I got
Speaker 4: to believe something like that has led to deer being
Speaker 4: able to not necessarily predict but they just get hungry
Speaker 4: sooner or something when that change comes on them. I
Speaker 4: don't know. We can kind of smell like the rainstorm
Speaker 4: coming in it, right, we can kind of feel certain
Speaker 4: things changing, and they are much more tuned than we are.
Speaker 4: So for sure, I gotta believe there's something there.
Speaker 3: They don't have as many microplastics in their system. I
Speaker 3: don't think it helps you out, that's true, Yeah, Mark,
Speaker 3: it would seem as if you did some good predicting
Speaker 3: of your own potentially and have been out doing some hunting.
Speaker 3: But the listeners need to tune in to the actual
Speaker 3: Wired to Hunt show that launches on Thursday of this
Speaker 3: week to get the full story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got an exciting story to share tomorrow on
Speaker 4: the main show. All right, man, So yeah, I'm very
Speaker 4: excited to share that story. I'm actually going to record
Speaker 4: it right after we get off the phone here, and
Speaker 4: it's good. It'll be good.
Speaker 2: It'll be good, sweet awesome. Tyler.
Speaker 3: Speaking of recording, who have we got interviews with this
Speaker 3: week for reports from around the country.
Speaker 2: Well, we've got Hunter Lindsay out in Kentucky. You know,
Speaker 2: we actually have two hunters. There's lots of hunters on
Speaker 2: this podcast. But Hunter Dickens one of our our acquaintances,
Speaker 2: a good friend of ours that does a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff with us at the Element. He's out in Texas
Speaker 2: doing the thing. The dude has had a streak of
Speaker 2: a year in Texas. Pretty impressive, you know, resume. There
Speaker 2: are good buddy Barrett Nigas, who is an Instagram friend
Speaker 2: and now a real friend after we get to talk
Speaker 2: on the phone. He's in Alabama, which they have weird
Speaker 2: ruts down there, so it's gonna be like a report,
Speaker 2: you know, that's different than what most of the country's
Speaker 2: given right now. And then our good friend Scott from Arkansas,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be on here too.
Speaker 3: Sweet man, let's get this thing going. I'm on the
Speaker 3: phone with Hunter Lindsay. He's been doing some hunting in Kentucky.
Speaker 3: And if you ever watched a viral clip of an
Speaker 3: owl landing on a dude's camera, that's this guy.
Speaker 4: Hunter.
Speaker 2: What's going on, man.
Speaker 7: Not much, not much, just doing some chores after I've
Speaker 7: tagged out in Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you let the cat out of the bag?
Speaker 2: You killed a big buck?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Way to go, man. What was that deer doing.
Speaker 7: He was actually coming to a field to check for
Speaker 7: some dose had been consistent on that side of the
Speaker 7: farm for a while. We had him on camera and
Speaker 7: I finally decided to go in after him and it
Speaker 7: worked out. At what I think it was three thirty
Speaker 7: eight in the afternoon, so I got it done pretty quick.
Speaker 2: Gole Lee.
Speaker 3: How so how early is that compared to your sunset
Speaker 3: where you're at.
Speaker 4: Uh, sunset's probably around five five.
Speaker 3: Twenty Okay, so he's a good two hours before sunset.
Speaker 3: This deer is out checking for dose.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: And that's still that's pretty much late November and that's
Speaker 3: still going on there in Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like the doe uh in that in
Speaker 7: this past week, uh, you know, they were starting the
Speaker 7: bucks were starting to look for those dough that were
Speaker 7: starting to come into that second heat, and and.
Speaker 4: It seemed like that was what he was doing.
Speaker 7: He had finally gotten off that first dough and heat
Speaker 7: that he had found, and he was coming to find
Speaker 7: another one out here in this big cornfield with some
Speaker 7: with a long hardwood draw through it.
Speaker 3: That's cool, man. Do you think that as you look
Speaker 3: to like what's coming up? Is that still on the
Speaker 3: rise As far as bucks in that seeking moat.
Speaker 7: I think that they're still gonna be looking for some
Speaker 7: hot dose, but not near as hard as they were,
Speaker 7: you know, a week or so ago. I think, you know,
Speaker 7: in the next week or two they're probably gonna start
Speaker 7: moving towards a feeding pattern, but they're probably you know,
Speaker 7: they're not going to turn down a hot dough if
Speaker 7: they find one.
Speaker 2: Got you, So, what kind of food would you be
Speaker 2: would you be looking to hunt if you were gonna
Speaker 2: be out there the next week.
Speaker 4: Probably some high nutritious greens.
Speaker 7: If there's still some acorns around, then you know, if
Speaker 7: you're in a big wood setting, then try and find,
Speaker 7: you know, some acorns that are left. But those ag
Speaker 7: fields are uh, you know where they're playing winter wheat
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. I think that's a that's a
Speaker 7: big thing to key on in December.
Speaker 2: Is y'all's winter wheat in pretty good shape right now.
Speaker 7: It's probably about you know, two or three inch, which
Speaker 7: is maybe four at the highest.
Speaker 2: Get some of that cold weather that's coming in across
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, No, it's been in the thirties just about
Speaker 7: every morning here so far for the past you know,
Speaker 7: handful of days. It's it's been great weather. You know,
Speaker 7: highs in the in the mid to upper forties. It's
Speaker 7: just been perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has that? Do you think the daylight movement is
Speaker 2: gonna still sustain even though bucks are kind of cooling
Speaker 2: on the rut a little bit.
Speaker 4: That's hard to say.
Speaker 7: I think that's gonna be situational, but I think that
Speaker 7: this colder weather will definitely help with that more than
Speaker 7: than note. You know, we've kind of had some hotter
Speaker 7: weather towards the beginning of November.
Speaker 4: I think, uh, this colder weather at the end.
Speaker 7: Of November will definitely start, you know, and the rut
Speaker 7: starting subside a little bit. I think that that's definitely gonna.
Speaker 4: Help with some daylight movement on some food sourses. That's cool.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that moon? It's just real
Speaker 2: big and bright all night long up there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: I've seen that moon phase, you know, helps movement some,
Speaker 7: but I don't pay to it and pay as much
Speaker 7: attention to it as I do, you know, just better
Speaker 7: temperature and pressure conditions and all that stuff. Some people
Speaker 7: really focus in on that moon phase, you know, unless
Speaker 7: it's just like glaringly bright outside at just all night long.
Speaker 4: I don't really pay attention to it too much.
Speaker 2: Sweet Well, in the next week, if you had to
Speaker 2: put a number one to ten on buck movement, what
Speaker 2: you're predicted Buck movement is, what would you what would
Speaker 2: you put it?
Speaker 4: I'd probably say four or five.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so you think that's a downgrade from
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 7: Yes, I think that they're going to start uh yeah,
Speaker 7: I think that they're going to be not searching for
Speaker 7: the dose as much as they were this past week.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's all situational, and you could be
Speaker 7: in an area where.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a.
Speaker 7: Couple more hot doughs than than not and they could
Speaker 7: just be going crazy. But at this point, I think
Speaker 7: that the rut is on definitely on the downhill side.
Speaker 2: Cool man.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for all the great information, dude, and congrats
Speaker 3: on all the big bucks have been hitting the ground.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. It's been a good year.
Speaker 7: It was some ups and downs, but it definitely turned
Speaker 7: out to be a better season.
Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2: All right. I've got a guy that people are familiar
Speaker 2: with here on the phone. His name is Hunter Dickens,
Speaker 2: and he is a big contributor on our YouTube channel,
Speaker 2: the Elements YouTube channel shooting Bucks. I mean, at least
Speaker 2: a couple of year, but this year it's it's been
Speaker 2: good for you man. Actually, they're in Texas where you've
Speaker 2: been hunting. You had some success the other night, correct, I.
Speaker 4: Did I did.
Speaker 8: Texas seems would be the only place I can find
Speaker 8: success at the moment.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that. But you you are
Speaker 2: doing well there. Man. You've have you shot? How many
Speaker 2: bucks have you shot in Texas this year?
Speaker 4: The three Texas bucks?
Speaker 2: Man? You got it? Dialed?
Speaker 8: Man, I've been blessed, Yes, I have. It's it's been
Speaker 8: a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Now. The Bucky shot through the night was just a
Speaker 2: big frame looked like an eight point with maybe a
Speaker 2: couple of extras, but like a mainframe eight What was
Speaker 2: he doing?
Speaker 8: That deer was fresh out of the bed really, so, yes, yes,
Speaker 8: fresh out of the bed at last light. So I
Speaker 8: didn't have I didn't have time to get in there
Speaker 8: on midday movement.
Speaker 4: So I just I got as close to his bed
Speaker 4: as I could. I'm pretty sure I heard him stand
Speaker 4: up out of his bed.
Speaker 2: Really, what was this? What was what was the weather
Speaker 2: like that day?
Speaker 8: It was gosh that day it would have been we
Speaker 8: was just wearing a hoodie, I know that. So it
Speaker 8: was in the fifties to sixties.
Speaker 2: Just that's probably what it was that evening. Gotcha? Did
Speaker 2: it feel hot for the time of year or normal?
Speaker 8: Yesky, Yeah, it was a lot warmer than I would
Speaker 8: have liked.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you think that has to do with the
Speaker 2: small amount of daylight movement that that buck was, you know, portraying?
Speaker 4: Ye partially.
Speaker 8: I think the moon has some contributions to that as well,
Speaker 8: because I've been seeing a lot of midday movement kind
Speaker 8: of that twelve to one o'clock hour has been really
Speaker 8: peeking for me on cameras, which I know you can't
Speaker 8: go off everything the camera shows you, but I.
Speaker 4: Can get a general idea of what movement is.
Speaker 8: So I've been seeing a lot that twelve to one,
Speaker 8: and then I didn't have time to get in, so
Speaker 8: I went and.
Speaker 4: Got as close to his bed as I thought.
Speaker 8: I knew the general area of where that buck was,
Speaker 8: and I suspect i'd set up within about sixty yards
Speaker 8: of his bed.
Speaker 2: So talk about the moon, what stage it was in
Speaker 2: when you shot that deer, and how that affects to
Speaker 2: your movement in your opinion.
Speaker 4: That was I believe.
Speaker 8: Three three days ago, so we would have been right
Speaker 8: at full moon and now we're at the backside of
Speaker 8: the moon. But that was three days ago, so I
Speaker 8: believe that you get a lot of midday movement, and
Speaker 8: then you get a lot of those bucks who are
Speaker 8: coming off the rut. This is kind of their final
Speaker 8: push for the end of November, and so they're going
Speaker 8: to be doing a lot of zombie walking during the day,
Speaker 8: especially you know, midday and in the evening, they're just
Speaker 8: gonna be traveling looking for that last little bit of
Speaker 8: doze that they can find until the next cycle world's around.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. So you think when he got out of his bed,
Speaker 2: that was his intention, was to go bind those for
Speaker 2: the evening.
Speaker 8: Yes, that was it. And I had set up on
Speaker 8: a known travel route for a lot of doze and
Speaker 8: so he could almost just lay there in his bed
Speaker 8: and smell doze as they came by.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 8: And so he was just taking more of the lackadaisical
Speaker 8: approach to it with it being such warm weather.
Speaker 2: Right, So in the next week or so, would you
Speaker 2: change what you're doing based off the thing weather moon?
Speaker 2: What are you going to do different in tactic? Tactically, see,
Speaker 2: I would go sit.
Speaker 3: I would go sit.
Speaker 4: Probably forty yards off the edge of food.
Speaker 2: I would be really.
Speaker 8: Focusing back on food sources for the next couple of
Speaker 8: weeks and be sitting back on some soft edges to them,
Speaker 8: or just inside the timber line. Gotcha, if you've got
Speaker 8: if you've got food plots, or if you're hunting standing
Speaker 8: corn beans, whatever it is, I would be back off
Speaker 8: that edge, but relatively close to a food source.
Speaker 2: Okay, So in the next week or so, if you
Speaker 2: had to make a prediction on buck movement, and you
Speaker 2: had to rate it on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 2: what would you what number would you give it?
Speaker 4: Probably seven?
Speaker 8: All right, dude, I like it because the bucks almost
Speaker 8: become a little bit patternable around these food sources. So
Speaker 8: they're gonna be for you know, a week or two.
Speaker 8: They're gonna be there, and it's it's if you've got
Speaker 8: a really good food source, it's gonna hold them because
Speaker 8: I mean, their bodies are deprived of nutrients right now
Speaker 8: and they're gonna be wanting.
Speaker 4: To build that back up.
Speaker 8: And especially if you've got good food source, you're also
Speaker 8: going to have doze in year lands that are going
Speaker 8: to be coming in later, you know, in a.
Speaker 4: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: I've I've got some properties that don't heat up till December.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well that's good news, man. I appreciate the report,
Speaker 2: and uh, good job there in Texas, dude. If you know,
Speaker 2: people are looking forward to seeing those videos on the Element.
Speaker 2: They will be on as soon as we can get
Speaker 2: them edited. We're all out hunting like crazy right now,
Speaker 2: but they're we're working on them. So one hundred thanks
Speaker 2: for the report, man, I'll be talking to you soon.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, it's a blast.
Speaker 2: I've got Barrett Nigas here, he's with long time bow
Speaker 2: hunting out in Alabama doing some deer hunting. Nextually, you're
Speaker 2: heading to deer hunt right now, right.
Speaker 4: That is correct?
Speaker 5: Awesome, I got a cold front coming.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's what I'm talking about. That's a there's
Speaker 2: a you know, usually only a few types of people
Speaker 2: that like cold fronts on the way in winter in
Speaker 2: the wintertime, and that's uh, you know people sometimes in
Speaker 2: the South we're like, oh yeah, we get a snow
Speaker 2: this year, and then there's deer hunters, you know, and
Speaker 2: that's that's us. So, uh, your your was it your
Speaker 2: brother that recently had success there in Alabama?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was my brother.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he shot one over the Thanksgiving break here a
Speaker 5: few days ago actually, uh Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right, man as a good buck to
Speaker 2: what h what was he keen inn on right there?
Speaker 5: Well, he was really hunting, hunting in between I guess
Speaker 5: you call I think this deer's two bedding areas. Uh,
Speaker 5: he'd showed up a few days earlier, and it was
Speaker 5: really just like some five foot tall you know, i'd
Speaker 5: call it just some you know, it's like a clear cut,
Speaker 5: but really just five foot tall planted pines and newly
Speaker 5: planted pine slash clear cut where that there could kind
Speaker 5: of move pretty safely between two bedding areas and we
Speaker 5: get there's like a hardwood hardwood flat there that we've
Speaker 5: hunted for years, and he was moving in between those
Speaker 5: two areas. I think you guys would call it a
Speaker 5: d M A a deer movement area that we've hunted
Speaker 5: for years there and kind of some historical movement. And H.
Speaker 5: He had shown up two days before. And so this
Speaker 5: time of the year in Alabama, they're on a pretty
Speaker 5: good pattern. We're in that pre rut stage. We're still
Speaker 5: a month and a half from our rut. So he
Speaker 5: had showed up two days prior, and you know, he
Speaker 5: was kind of on that pattern moving in between two
Speaker 5: we think two bedding areas.
Speaker 2: So when you say betting areas, is this like would
Speaker 2: you make these more like a doe betting area or
Speaker 2: a betting area that he's inhabiting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would say it'd be buck betting. I
Speaker 5: mean it's like five foot tall weedy, you know.
Speaker 1: Three.
Speaker 5: I think they planted the pines there three years ago, two,
Speaker 5: three years ago, So those pines are getting up. I
Speaker 5: mean you can't hunt in them, you know. And those
Speaker 5: deer as soon as they walk into it, they disappear,
Speaker 5: you know. So you'd say a four year old buck
Speaker 5: like that, I mean he loves it, you know, as
Speaker 5: soon as he walks into it, he disappears, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of like those mature East Texas bucks. Same thing
Speaker 5: with those mature Alabama bucks. Man, as soon as they
Speaker 5: can walk into some tall grass RP type stuff like that,
Speaker 5: I mean, that's like heaven for them. They walk into it,
Speaker 5: they disappear. They can lay in it all day, you know,
Speaker 5: get up at night, feed on acorns or whatever that
Speaker 5: that nearest food. Of course, you can you can bait
Speaker 5: in Alabama too, now, so the nearest corn pile on
Speaker 5: the neighbors or whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: So what you what would you uh, would you call
Speaker 2: it pre rut.
Speaker 5: Where you're at, I would say it's not quite pre rut,
Speaker 5: uh the deer shed velvet beginning of October here. But
Speaker 5: I see that like just that testosterone is picking up,
Speaker 5: and so I feel like they get on this feeding
Speaker 5: pattern in like October November, but come December, it's like
Speaker 5: they know like it's coming, and it's like this pre
Speaker 5: rut phase is like they're on a They're certainly on
Speaker 5: a bed to feed pattern right now. I've seen it
Speaker 5: with a couple other Bucks, and that's that's why I'm
Speaker 5: going hunting now. It's because I think there's a few
Speaker 5: other Bucks that might be on that bed to feed
Speaker 5: pattern right now also. But there's certainly like we're starting
Speaker 5: to see some rub lines pop up. You know. I
Speaker 5: saw a group of bachelor Bucks, like some young bucks,
Speaker 5: they were just two year old, but they were locked up,
Speaker 5: you know, getting excited, especially with these cold fronts, are
Speaker 5: like locked up and they were pushing around for like
Speaker 5: five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so in the next week, do you think
Speaker 2: that that's gonna continue to ramp up with this cold
Speaker 2: front coming in? Is it gonna Is that gonna that
Speaker 2: kind of rutty type movement gonna continue to increase or
Speaker 2: is it gonna be about the same next week in
Speaker 2: your opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it continues to increase all the way through
Speaker 5: the month of December.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, so then December.
Speaker 5: Will start popping up. Yeah, those scraps will start popping
Speaker 5: up and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the and the rut for you is win.
Speaker 5: Uh, the rut will be like the peak of the
Speaker 5: rut in Central Alabama will be mid January.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cool man. Well there's still some time left
Speaker 2: to get on some of that pre rut movement. You know.
Speaker 2: The best thing about that is deer still pretty patternable
Speaker 2: typically during that and but they can be a little more.
Speaker 2: They can show up in daylight more so. It's a
Speaker 2: it's probably a pretty good time of year. Tell your
Speaker 2: brother congrats. I got one more question for you. On
Speaker 2: a scale of one to ten, what do you think
Speaker 2: buck movement is going to be like in Central Alabama
Speaker 2: in the next week.
Speaker 4: I would say like an eight.
Speaker 5: We just came off the full moon and we have this, Man,
Speaker 5: this is like one of the best cold fronts I
Speaker 5: think we've had all year. We've had some warm weather,
Speaker 5: so we have this cold front coming, and I think
Speaker 5: we have a decent moon and a cold front coming,
Speaker 5: so I think maybe you can get on a good
Speaker 5: buck this next the next few days here.
Speaker 2: So it's awesome though, awesome, I'm hoping. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 2: hope that it goes well for you too, man, And
Speaker 2: appreciate the time we'll be talking to you. I'm sure
Speaker 2: at some point soon, Man, maybe next year or maybe
Speaker 2: later this year when the rut's kicking. But appreciate the report. Bett. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you, Toll on the phone. Now, I've got my
Speaker 2: friend Scott from Arkansas, and Scott has hunted. What your
Speaker 2: whole life in Arkansas? Pretty much? Right? Yeah? I have.
Speaker 4: That's about the only place I've hunted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know quite a bit. You're as qualified
Speaker 2: as anybody. Probably talk about it. I know you're gonna
Speaker 2: be humble and say no, no, you know, y'all do
Speaker 2: this and y'all do that. Whatever. But Scott, what have
Speaker 2: you been seeing in the deer woods lately? Uh?
Speaker 9: We're you know, if you're in it, you're in it,
Speaker 9: I think. But I think right now, I think Bucks
Speaker 9: are definitely on the dose. I think we're past the
Speaker 9: pre rut and we're into the rut. You know, Arkansas
Speaker 9: is a funny state just because of water levels and
Speaker 9: the different terrain that we have. So I think really
Speaker 9: on X has done a great job at connecting the
Speaker 9: dots as far as giving you a good rut calendar,
Speaker 9: and I think they're pretty accurate.
Speaker 2: I really do. So far.
Speaker 9: I've just been really impressed with how that connects with
Speaker 9: what's really going on the ground.
Speaker 2: Sure, so you think, do you think the bucks are
Speaker 2: in what a lot of people consider the lockdown stage
Speaker 2: right now? They are.
Speaker 9: I believe they are, And I think that's one of
Speaker 9: the reasons why that if if you're not in it,
Speaker 9: you need to move because they're not going far and
Speaker 9: they're not roaming around like they were, you know, earlier
Speaker 9: in the month. So yeah, I think they're definitely in
Speaker 9: the lockdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So a lot of times for these southern states, you know,
Speaker 3: acorn crop is a big deal.
Speaker 2: Is that is there a lot of acorns right now?
Speaker 2: Or what does that look like?
Speaker 9: Man, we've seen in our area and the place that
Speaker 9: I hunt. Now it's going to be different, you know,
Speaker 9: because Arkansas is just so varied in terrain and topography.
Speaker 9: But in the area that I hunt in particular, there
Speaker 9: is far fewer acorns than I've seen in the last
Speaker 9: several years, and I think that has to do with water.
Speaker 9: I just think that there's been a little bit of
Speaker 9: water shock among some of the hardwood trees around here,
Speaker 9: which for us is actually better. It's just better it
Speaker 9: keeps that it gives us an at least the opportunity
Speaker 9: to look for feed trees and look for a little
Speaker 9: bit more condensed movement and patterns.
Speaker 4: That that helps us that way.
Speaker 9: The deer that they can they've got some places they've
Speaker 9: got to go if they're going to get into those acorns.
Speaker 2: Is there an acorn that they prefer in your.
Speaker 9: Opinion, yeah, I think you know, obviously white oaks are
Speaker 9: are you know, I preferred acorn, but but water oaks
Speaker 9: I have found in my area. They love water oaks,
Speaker 9: and I kind of key in on those. But you know,
Speaker 9: as the season goes on, red oaks produce here a
Speaker 9: lot later in the year, and and a red oak
Speaker 9: tree is usually your friend, especially as the rut advances,
Speaker 9: because you got to think about it, the buck is
Speaker 9: pursuing the dough, the dose still doing dough things. And
Speaker 9: so if you find the dose and you you find
Speaker 9: the food source, because the dose are still going to
Speaker 9: the food source, you're gonna find the bucks, and you're.
Speaker 4: Going to be in the in the mix for the rut.
Speaker 9: So especially late rut, you know those red oak trees
Speaker 9: that are kind of in the open, that that that
Speaker 9: big old buck wouldn't go near any other time of
Speaker 9: year chasing, you know, a younger that's coming to estras late,
Speaker 9: you got a good chance of killing a big deer
Speaker 9: that way.
Speaker 2: That's kind of you know that that's a good point.
Speaker 2: I think about this a lot, and I have in
Speaker 2: the past, but especially on like private land, man, if
Speaker 2: you can hunt, if you can hunt food sources like
Speaker 2: agricultural food sources, a lot of times, man, where the
Speaker 2: deer aren't necessarily pressured off like they might be on
Speaker 2: something that's closer to public or more accessible to a
Speaker 2: public that it's almost like you can get away with
Speaker 2: hunting deer on ag and close to egg from like
Speaker 2: September to January. In a lot of cases. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like you really almost if you had good access,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even need to move your set, you know.
Speaker 9: No, I completely agree, And I think that's one of
Speaker 9: the things about the big Woods when when you hunt
Speaker 9: the big woods, and I define big woods as tracks
Speaker 9: of land that are not influenced by agriculture necessarily, So
Speaker 9: when you hunt those big woods, I mean, the deer
Speaker 9: are much more dispersed. It's a much more complex thing.
Speaker 9: I think predictability as far as like where they're coming
Speaker 9: from their travel routes. You know, you don't have that
Speaker 9: in the big Woods, So the deer could show up
Speaker 9: in a place that you didn't expect it, which affects,
Speaker 9: you know, shot placement, It effects you know, everything about
Speaker 9: you because it's kind of a surprise. Whereas when you
Speaker 9: have agriculture and you've got you know ingress negress routes
Speaker 9: and you've got a good way in, you know, you're
Speaker 9: not having to you know, bump around.
Speaker 4: And try to figure out where you ought to set up.
Speaker 9: I think agriculture gives you a distinct advantage in that.
Speaker 9: But I think when you kill a deer in the
Speaker 9: big Woods and you pursued it and you found it
Speaker 9: in that environment that it was in, I just feel
Speaker 9: like there's just like a piece of accomplishment in that
Speaker 9: you know, I think there's a piece that just says,
Speaker 9: you know, I didn't have the advantage of those other things.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying I disagree with emer it's unethical or
Speaker 9: nothing like that. I'm just saying, challenge wise, it's kind
Speaker 9: of like the person that says, you know, I want
Speaker 9: to shoot, you know, a traditional bow as opposed to
Speaker 9: a compound bow. I think there's definitely there's a learning curve,
Speaker 9: and it's more difficult I think in the big woods.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So since it's already difficult in big woods, we got
Speaker 3: a full moon right now. For the next week, it's
Speaker 3: going to be you know, kind of waning, but it's
Speaker 3: still going to be pretty big.
Speaker 2: And you know, you said it's kind of the lockdown thing.
Speaker 3: So if you had to kind of predict what you
Speaker 3: thought the buck movement would be like over the next
Speaker 3: week on a scale of one to ten, what would
Speaker 3: you think it would be.
Speaker 9: I don't think the moon when they're in the lockdown
Speaker 9: affects them as much as it does maybe other times
Speaker 9: of the year, because they're going to be doing what
Speaker 9: they're going to be doing at that particular time. And again,
Speaker 9: I just look at the rut this way at this
Speaker 9: phase of it, and the beauty of Arkansas that I've
Speaker 9: always loved about this state and why I loved up
Speaker 9: to hunt here, which obviously I live here, is that
Speaker 9: when one particular area begins to cool off, you can move.
Speaker 9: Sometimes it's twenty miles, You go twenty miles and you've
Speaker 9: got a completely different time frame for the rut. And
Speaker 9: so it's kind of like chasing the migration of ducks.
Speaker 9: You know, you're you're you're following that that rut down,
Speaker 9: and I think the obviously they're going to move a
Speaker 9: lot at not but they're nocturnal anyway. I mean, it's
Speaker 9: I always laugh when people say, you know that they're
Speaker 9: just going to go nocturnal. They are nocturnal, their entire
Speaker 9: eye structure, everything about them is nocturnal. But them showing
Speaker 9: up during the day should be the abnormality. But I
Speaker 9: would continue, you know, I mean, obviously monitor, you could
Speaker 9: monitor some of your game cameras and stuff. But I
Speaker 9: feel like, personally, from my experience, I feel like weather patterns.
Speaker 4: Affect their movement. I feel like they're up on their
Speaker 4: feet more.
Speaker 9: I also think food sources is a really really important
Speaker 9: part of this aspect, because again, the dough the does
Speaker 9: are going to be doing what dose do. If you're
Speaker 9: in the dose, you're gonna be in the bucks, you
Speaker 9: know for sure.
Speaker 2: Hey, give me that one to ten number.
Speaker 9: Come on, one to ten for for for next week.
Speaker 2: Yep, for the next week.
Speaker 4: Okay, So ten.
Speaker 2: Ten is good. Ten is the best day you've ever
Speaker 2: had in the woods, like the best jumps in your truck.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: I'll say this, I think I think moving.
Speaker 9: I think the area that I'm hunting in right now
Speaker 9: is at the tail end of what's really good, and there's.
Speaker 4: Probably a day or two of that left.
Speaker 9: I think I'm gonna probably make a move, and I
Speaker 9: think you could be in the I'm gonna say you
Speaker 9: could be in the eight nine.
Speaker 2: Well, well that's a good day. Golly, it's good numbers,
Speaker 2: good numbers. Think it's me excited. Thanks for the report, Scott. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll be talking you as soon as good
Speaker 2: to hear from you, man.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you, guys.
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