Speaker 1: Hi, good morning. How are you. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. I like the hearts behind you.
Speaker 1: That's cute. Oh, thank you. So where are you?
Speaker 2: I am at my house in Newport Beach, California. So
Speaker 2: this is my where I do like my meetings and
Speaker 2: my podcasts.
Speaker 1: And you know, does it look like a studio? You
Speaker 1: think it's cute? Is that a real background? That's a house,
Speaker 1: that's my house. Well, yeah, it looks good.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it looks it looks like you created
Speaker 3: a student like a background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a backdrop. Interesting.
Speaker 3: Is Newport Beach more crowded now because of the fires?
Speaker 3: Because everyone has people moved there, because I know Manhattan
Speaker 3: Beach has taken a big turn.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they're They're staying a little closer to Palisades,
Speaker 2: but there has been definitely like more activity, busier down here,
Speaker 2: and more rentals.
Speaker 3: People are like going into rentals. You look like Kristin
Speaker 3: Cavaleri to me, do I yeah, never, no one's ever
Speaker 3: said that, no, but yeah, I love her. So I'm like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like you look like the color, the coloring,
Speaker 3: the yeah, a lot of things, the eyebrows, the hair.
Speaker 1: I feel like you look like her. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, okay, So I don't know a lot about you.
Speaker 3: I had your husband on yet, and it gets confusing
Speaker 3: because you guys have soap because there's so many different
Speaker 3: characters and chapters to this saga, and then there's the
Speaker 3: TV of it.
Speaker 1: Yep, and he talked a lot about you. I remember.
Speaker 1: I think he was talking about like boats. There were
Speaker 1: boats next to each other.
Speaker 3: Was that one of your first dates or something? It
Speaker 3: was a while ago, but what was the boat story? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was our boat story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you're right. So that's where we first met.
Speaker 2: So we met. It was July fourth, twenty nineteen. I
Speaker 2: was living in LA at the time, and he was
Speaker 2: He's always been at oc Boys at Orange County, and
Speaker 2: I never came down here because it's like LA people.
Speaker 2: You kind of stay in l a totally different, totally
Speaker 2: different total. I lived there too, more okay, more than
Speaker 2: even the valley. Yeah, valley's a different land.
Speaker 3: The Valley's like Brooklyn to New York, but like that's
Speaker 3: a different that's like almost like it's not even the
Speaker 3: Hampton's because it's not like everybody goes to that area
Speaker 3: from La it's just a different place, like Irvine or something.
Speaker 2: It's just different place exactly. You just don't cross over, right.
Speaker 2: And so my girlfriend was like fourth of July, let's
Speaker 2: you usually would go to like Malibu, do you like
Speaker 2: white party? And she'd let's do something different. Do you
Speaker 2: want to go down to Newport Beach and go on
Speaker 2: a yacht. I'm like, okay, sure sounds fun. I was
Speaker 2: kind of in a place in my life. I was
Speaker 2: thirty one, and I'm like, I just want to enjoy
Speaker 2: my life. I had been dating, had been single for
Speaker 2: about three and a half four months, so not very long,
Speaker 2: but I was always in like long relationships, so I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just gonna have fun, sick of getting
Speaker 2: like my heart broken. I just was like looking for
Speaker 2: my husband at the time, like not looking, but you know,
Speaker 2: I was kind of like ready for that next open.
Speaker 1: I was open. And so I was on the boat
Speaker 1: having like a great time.
Speaker 2: I'm drinking champagne, like having fun, like flirting with boys,
Speaker 2: and then I see my girlfriend on It was Tarak's boat,
Speaker 2: and at the time I didn't know it was his boat.
Speaker 2: So I went down to his boat said hi, Literally
Speaker 2: I was on there for maybe a minute and he
Speaker 2: comes over and he's like, Hi, I'm Tark, and I'm
Speaker 2: like hi, Like, I know who you are. And I
Speaker 2: knew mainly who he was. I knew the show Flip
Speaker 2: or Flop, but I had.
Speaker 3: Really that's it's so niche like that you because I
Speaker 3: think my parents like my parents growing up. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: wasn't like I really watched it, but I feel like
Speaker 3: people knew that show because it was such a popular show.
Speaker 2: And I had really heard about his divorce though. That's
Speaker 2: when like I really heard his name and it was everywhere,
Speaker 2: so I knew him more from the divorce. And then
Speaker 2: he had actually asked me out on Instagram a few
Speaker 2: years prior to me meeting him.
Speaker 1: So when he how long had he been divorced? God,
Speaker 1: let's see the timeline.
Speaker 2: So they I think they separated in two thousand and
Speaker 2: sixteen and wow a while and we met in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: But he had reached out to me sometime during that
Speaker 2: single period of his life. But he was reach out
Speaker 2: to every girl, you know. It was like probably looking
Speaker 2: for hot girls on social media. And at the time
Speaker 2: I had a boyfriend, so I said, no, I'm thank
Speaker 2: you for reaching out, but I have a boyfriend and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not single. So then when he came
Speaker 2: up to me on his boat, he was like, I'm tark.
Speaker 2: I said, I know who you are. You asked me
Speaker 2: on Instagram a few years ago, and he's like, oh shit.
Speaker 2: So then he went and like looked at his DMS.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, do you still have a boyfriend? And
Speaker 2: I said no. Do you want to go to Paris?
Speaker 2: I said no.
Speaker 3: He said do you want to go to Paris? Was
Speaker 3: he already going to Paris? No, he wasn't going to Paris.
Speaker 2: He was just like swinging like for the fences, like
Speaker 2: trying to like go back or go home.
Speaker 3: And then I said, love that that's who's not going
Speaker 3: to be excited by that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you said no.
Speaker 2: But you know, at the time in my life, like
Speaker 2: I had dated guys that you know, you date and
Speaker 2: you think like, okay, well this is going great, and
Speaker 2: then they ghost you and they never talked to you again.
Speaker 1: Oh of course, what's going on?
Speaker 2: And I know people have some status, you know, And
Speaker 2: so knowing he was on TV he's in that world,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm just I'm not interested like,
Speaker 2: I just don't want to go through this again. I
Speaker 2: want to get married, I want to be with the
Speaker 2: love of my life. I don't want to get hurt again.
Speaker 2: And going out with him, I was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: all these things in my head. So I'm like, what's
Speaker 2: the point. I'm just going to waste my time. But
Speaker 2: then he's like, do you want to know it to Vegas?
Speaker 2: I said no, I'm not going to go spend the
Speaker 2: night anywhere with you. And he's like, well, how about
Speaker 2: a date? And I said, well maybe, And then we
Speaker 2: were talking. We're kind of starting to get into a
Speaker 2: deeper conversation and everyone's parting.
Speaker 1: You know, he has a bunch of people on his boat.
Speaker 2: We're in this like deeper conversation, started talking about his divorce.
Speaker 3: He's sober then, because I think he told me he
Speaker 3: was sober. So was he sober then on the boat?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't really paying attention to that. It
Speaker 2: was so fast. There's a lot going on, but him
Speaker 2: and I were kind of it was like a moment
Speaker 2: where there's so much people are partying, and then it's
Speaker 2: him and I like in this corner, really starting to
Speaker 2: have this deep conversation and then these young girls came over.
Speaker 2: They must have heard us talking, and they go, no,
Speaker 2: talking about divorce on this boat, like this is a
Speaker 2: fun day.
Speaker 1: And I look at and I'm like, yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 2: And I was like I'm sorry, I'm not dealing with this,
Speaker 2: and I left. And now I found out after we
Speaker 2: started dating and further on in our relationship that people
Speaker 2: on his boat that are now my friends, they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: he started sulking. He went downstairs into the room, he
Speaker 2: wouldn't come out. We'd never seen him like that. He
Speaker 2: was like, so sad that you left the boat because
Speaker 2: for like, out of all those years, he met someone
Speaker 2: that he had like butterflies, he felt that feeling and
Speaker 2: he hadn't felt that because he was just never thought
Speaker 2: he'd get married. I never thought he would date anyone
Speaker 2: ever again. So he felt something that he hadn't felt
Speaker 2: in a really long time.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's such a nice story. It's like, put you
Speaker 3: bringing me there, you good storyteller. I want to be
Speaker 3: on the boat. I want to meet a guy right now.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's a mez. So what's your age difference?
Speaker 3: Six years?
Speaker 1: Six years? Perfect o?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So and that you just had a baby two
Speaker 2: years ago. So he has he had two kids, so
Speaker 2: now I'm a step mom. So I met the kids
Speaker 2: when they were three and eight, and I met them
Speaker 2: perfect really early on, like really fast in our relationship.
Speaker 1: And I met his whole family.
Speaker 2: He has a big family there, Lebanese and Belgium, so
Speaker 2: it was like very you know, European. So he's like,
Speaker 2: You're meeting the whole family and the kids all in
Speaker 2: the same night, and I'm like, I come from like
Speaker 2: a little family here in California, you know, and I'm
Speaker 2: like okay, And I was so nervous to meet the kids,
Speaker 2: especially his family, and it was fine, but the kids,
Speaker 2: it was like I had never dated anyone with kids.
Speaker 1: Before, So for yeah, yeah, that was yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I came from like, you know, my la life, and
Speaker 2: I was filming selling suns at the time.
Speaker 1: I was just in a totally different world.
Speaker 2: And then I never thought I would date a man
Speaker 2: that had kids like that wasn't something that I not
Speaker 2: I honestly thought I couldn't do it. So I met
Speaker 2: the kids all in one night, and the family. His
Speaker 2: dad's like trying to feed me, like eleven year food
Speaker 2: I'm vegan, so he made me this whole vegan spread.
Speaker 1: He's like, eat this, try this.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is like my big factory Lebanese wedding exactly,
Speaker 3: big fact week wedding was what do we make it?
Speaker 1: You don't eat meat? Yes, we make a lamb. I
Speaker 1: make a lamb. I'm and here try this. I'm like okay.
Speaker 2: And I'm like have my dog with me, like my
Speaker 2: comfort dog, you know, And I'm like okay. And then
Speaker 2: his mom I apparently tark my husband and me. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, my husband and his mom got in a
Speaker 2: fight before I showed up, and like they had to
Speaker 2: go wrangle her in. And then it was it was
Speaker 2: just like a mess, and I had no idea anything
Speaker 2: was going on. And then his daughter and her cousin
Speaker 2: and their friend made up a dance in a song
Speaker 2: for me. They had been like practicing and performing all
Speaker 2: day and it was tark and how they're sitting in
Speaker 2: a tree k I asked, that's like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He loves her, he likes her, he loves her.
Speaker 2: They get married, they have a baby, and like I'm
Speaker 2: like standing there like, oh my god, what is happening
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: Right and then that was kind of it.
Speaker 2: And I basically like moved in kept an apartment in
Speaker 2: LA because I was working and filming up there, and
Speaker 2: then I was going back and forth and that was it.
Speaker 2: And then he proposed after a year, and like we
Speaker 2: just we've been together now married almost four years together
Speaker 2: six years.
Speaker 3: You both have TV careers, which I want to hear
Speaker 3: about that I want to hear about after. I want
Speaker 3: to hear about your career because we're talking to you.
Speaker 3: But I'm curious about being in a relationship where both
Speaker 3: of you are navigating this BS and the whatever. First
Speaker 3: of all the changes in entertainment, which you know, streamers
Speaker 3: and network is like dinosaurs, and then also navigating a
Speaker 3: relationship during that. It's not as crazy as like housewives
Speaker 3: or something. But Selling Sunset had its share of drama.
Speaker 3: Drama and like it's toxic. Probably I've never seen it,
Speaker 3: but I've seen like clip, you know, yeah, little parts
Speaker 3: of it, but like, uh.
Speaker 1: That seems like high drama on the high seas well.
Speaker 2: When we first met, I had just finished filming season one,
Speaker 2: so Selling Sunset wasn't really that known yet. It didn't
Speaker 2: get big until i'd say season three and during COVID
Speaker 2: is when everyone started binging it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Yeah, And the drama wasn't that big either.
Speaker 1: In the beginning.
Speaker 3: It was probably actually about real estate in the beginning,
Speaker 3: but you just go towards the drama.
Speaker 2: It was more towards real estate, and then obviously, like
Speaker 2: natural drama would come up. And but I so when
Speaker 2: I left, I'm fast forwarding a little bit. When I
Speaker 2: left season seven, like early season seven, I feel like
Speaker 2: that's when you were in seven seasons. So yeah, almost
Speaker 2: like part of seven. I'm like, there's a whole drama
Speaker 2: thing behind that. But I left for maternity to leave,
Speaker 2: and then I never went back. And at the time,
Speaker 2: I was already filming Flipping al Musas with Taric, so
Speaker 2: we had our flipping show and we were filming season
Speaker 2: one of that, and then I was filming Selling Sunset
Speaker 2: as well at the same time. And then I left
Speaker 2: for maternity to leave, and then I never went to
Speaker 2: Selling Sunset.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was I have a question, I have
Speaker 3: our question. So I've just I've just reminded of this.
Speaker 3: And people always love inside Baseball about reality TV. The
Speaker 3: reason in the beginning, it's fresh and it's not such
Speaker 3: toxic drama is that it's almost like the roots aren't
Speaker 3: as deep, meaning if you meet someone in a little
Speaker 3: moment happens, it's a little silly thing about you saying
Speaker 3: something rude to them at a table. But seven seasons in,
Speaker 3: the drama has babies, and the babies of the drama
Speaker 3: has babies, like meaning the drama gets embedded and it's
Speaker 3: like you're living these toxic relationships on the show. So
Speaker 3: that's why it exponentially gets more toxic. Like for example,
Speaker 3: show like Real House was of New Jersey, It's the
Speaker 3: first season was pretty actually dramatic with the Danielle on
Speaker 3: the table flip. But that notwithstanding, there aren't twenty different
Speaker 3: tentacles of drama that are deep rooted.
Speaker 1: Is that do you agree? I agree?
Speaker 2: And I feel like when you're with the same women,
Speaker 2: because it was all it was like our core group
Speaker 2: and we were all working together before the show. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like we were cast it on for the show,
Speaker 2: and so all we had relationships already. Krishell was the
Speaker 2: only one that was brought in in the beginning, and
Speaker 2: you know, none of us knew her, so I was
Speaker 2: like getting to know her.
Speaker 1: And none of us.
Speaker 3: She's the one who was married to the actor from
Speaker 3: This is Us. Yeah, and she's now she's in a
Speaker 3: relationship with a woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She was brought in. Okay, So so.
Speaker 3: You came in all knowing each other, and what who
Speaker 3: do you still have relationships with from that group?
Speaker 2: I still talk to Krishell, I still talk to Emma.
Speaker 2: Emma was brought in later on. Mary and I have
Speaker 2: known each other forever. We still talk. I still talk
Speaker 2: with three here and there. She was brought in later
Speaker 2: on as well. I still you know, I talked to
Speaker 2: all of them except Christine. She's the only one that
Speaker 2: I don't keep in touch with. We just you know,
Speaker 2: I was always like really the kind of the calm
Speaker 2: one at the group. I'd say, like very level headed
Speaker 2: and kind of friends with everybody. And I was happy.
Speaker 2: I was in a happy relationship. I you know, was
Speaker 2: a happy person. I didn't like to deal with like
Speaker 2: the fighting and the drama, and so I was, you know,
Speaker 2: really didn't deal with a lot of that stuff. But
Speaker 2: when I left, i'd say it got worse because the
Speaker 2: relationships weren't there anymore.
Speaker 1: It was like, I feel like they are just it
Speaker 1: was all drama.
Speaker 2: There wasn't like deep rooted relationships when I was there
Speaker 2: and we first started. We're all really friends, and I
Speaker 2: feel like TV changed a lot of them, well a
Speaker 2: few of them, not a lot of them, but a
Speaker 2: few of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny because people will say, I hear
Speaker 3: you know, I'm bashing the thing that made Maybe it's
Speaker 3: the common thing when I talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's it's a dumpster. It just is.
Speaker 3: And you could say what you want, Matt, say what
Speaker 3: you want. But it also didn't start out as a dumpster.
Speaker 3: It's become this toxic waste dump because in the beginning
Speaker 3: there would be no paparazzi, and then like let's say,
Speaker 3: second or third season, there might be one or two photographers.
Speaker 3: But the show I forgot about this. The show themselves,
Speaker 3: the producers didn't want to show that part because that's breaking,
Speaker 3: that's meta. We are nobody's and they're showing our lives,
Speaker 3: So why would we have paparazzi And now the people
Speaker 3: are stars on a show. But the show's supposed to
Speaker 3: be a reality show about people living moms or sell
Speaker 3: you know, selling real estate. When paparazzi and Red carpets
Speaker 3: are part of it because it's now famous people, so
Speaker 3: it's a little bit like a circular reference. It's hard
Speaker 3: to get the freshness back of the Jersey Shore the
Speaker 3: first season or even the first couple, you know, so
Speaker 3: it's hard to keep people's normal.
Speaker 1: So you guys were real estate brokers.
Speaker 2: You're spot on though with everything, and like they didn't
Speaker 2: want to show that side of it because yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't want any of our outside lives. So even
Speaker 2: like we had assistance, we all had like other things
Speaker 2: going on, big brand deals, like other things were coming
Speaker 2: in and they didn't show any of that. It was like, nope,
Speaker 2: you're a real estate agent. We're like okay, And it's
Speaker 2: got hard to actually do your real job because they
Speaker 2: were filming so much.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, and this becomes your job. And that's why
Speaker 3: many people end up having these sort of it's a
Speaker 3: little different like fake brands, because they have to create
Speaker 3: more content to infuse into the show, to stay on
Speaker 3: the show and stay relevant, and so then these brands
Speaker 3: aren't real, and those brands that aren't real become content
Speaker 3: on the show because they become arguments with other people. Wait,
Speaker 3: that's not real and you don't really have that and
Speaker 3: you're not successful when the person wouldn't have gone and
Speaker 3: gotten that brand to begin with if it weren't for
Speaker 3: needing content for the show, because just being a mom
Speaker 3: is not going to fill the airwaves enough. Just being
Speaker 3: a chef, it's gonna be boring. They're gonna want the
Speaker 3: drama and what else you do. So it is a
Speaker 3: circular reference. And in that way, when people ask if
Speaker 3: it's real, what's happening is real? It's but what the
Speaker 3: premise isn't real. It's happened the people you're talking to,
Speaker 3: what you're talking about, and like, that's not necessarily real.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a very interesting thing where reality
Speaker 3: TV isn't real because you just wouldn't be having these
Speaker 3: dumb arguments in your real life.
Speaker 2: And then they're they're highlighting things that I feel like
Speaker 2: as women, you kind of like, Okay, you talk about
Speaker 2: it and you move on, and then it's like the
Speaker 2: next day they want you to talk about it again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that person's talking about it and it ends up being
Speaker 2: bigger and then they're like, oh, you're gonna let her
Speaker 2: she said that, And I'm like, what exactly you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and then it turns into a
Speaker 2: whole thing and then you want to make good TV, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's what I'm there for.
Speaker 3: No totally, and I mean having been there for seven years,
Speaker 3: we can relate to each other a lot where I
Speaker 3: bet you thought that everybody was watching this and everybody
Speaker 3: knew everything, and I bet you thought this is like
Speaker 3: the only thing going on, Like you're out talking about it,
Speaker 3: and you're talking about it, and then you see other
Speaker 3: casts do it like it's kind of a world and
Speaker 3: it almost like after having a baby, your body isn't
Speaker 3: here for a while. It takes a while to really
Speaker 3: rinse it off of sure, like an X too, like
Speaker 3: where you're not thinking about it, thinking about the other
Speaker 3: people that are on it, thinking about the headlines, and
Speaker 3: then thinking about other people's social media, and then one
Speaker 3: day like they become not even in your like I
Speaker 3: don't have I really I don't ever watch the I
Speaker 3: don't watch the shows at all, but I don't even
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 1: I used to think about it a lot.
Speaker 2: It was like right when I didn't go back, is
Speaker 2: when I had just had Tristan, and so I was
Speaker 2: so focused on you know, being a bait, a mom
Speaker 2: to a newborn, and it was right when, like I
Speaker 2: think it was right when one of the episodes came out,
Speaker 2: and you know, usually afterwards all this shit has talked
Speaker 2: about you, and you know you have to kind of
Speaker 2: rewatch the drama of what happened and relive it, which
Speaker 2: can be really stressful.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't even I was just so like removed
Speaker 1: from it.
Speaker 2: But then I'd say it hit me about six months
Speaker 2: later when I kind of started feeling like myself again,
Speaker 2: where it was like, Wow, I'm no longer on the
Speaker 2: show that's exactly part of my life that I lived
Speaker 2: for so long. Like you said, it was like almost
Speaker 2: like I had to come down from that and like
Speaker 2: go through my emotional journey of like I'm no longer
Speaker 2: filming with those women anymore, I'm no longer going up
Speaker 2: to LA. That's no longer my job, that's no longer
Speaker 2: my life, And it was like a huge transition and
Speaker 2: then becoming a at the same time. It was a
Speaker 2: lot for me in that first like few months six months,
Speaker 2: and I'd say I didn't feel like normal after postpartum.
Speaker 2: I didn't have postpartum depression, but you know, we all
Speaker 2: go through something.
Speaker 1: I'd say it took me about a year.
Speaker 2: But then I'm lucky that I transitioned from selling suns
Speaker 2: and I had another show. So it's not like I
Speaker 2: went off TV completely because I did the same exact thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I hadn't went off Yeah, so I had something
Speaker 2: else going on to keep me busy, and I had
Speaker 2: my other show. I think when TV it's kind of
Speaker 2: like sports, right when you're done, it's just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, now what am I doing with my life?
Speaker 3: But I did that too. The first time I left,
Speaker 3: I had the other show. The second time I left,
Speaker 3: I just walked, And that was when it was more
Speaker 3: like what you were just describing, like really just and
Speaker 3: I chose to leave both times. And this was a
Speaker 3: crazy thing that I realized in the moment that I
Speaker 3: had been on reality TV for a quarter of my
Speaker 3: life now of my lifetime, not including the five other
Speaker 3: shows anyway. But in the paperwork about you, it says
Speaker 3: that you were pushed out. Did you leave or did
Speaker 3: they fire you? I did not choose to leave.
Speaker 2: I've never really like went in to depth about this,
Speaker 2: just because I have a good relationship still with Netflix, and.
Speaker 1: I'd like to keep it like that.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I've never really gone into like a
Speaker 2: deeper discussion about it, but I basically all I can
Speaker 2: say is I wanted to come back, and I wasn't
Speaker 2: asked back, so but I was filming the other show already,
Speaker 2: so you know, I think that there might have been
Speaker 2: some upset that I was doing something else on another network.
Speaker 1: We have a good relationship.
Speaker 2: You know, we were in a good place and I'm
Speaker 2: grateful for the years and years that I spent with them,
Speaker 2: and you know, them giving like us a chance to
Speaker 2: have a reality show. You know, it was such a
Speaker 2: new thing for Netflix at the time to have a
Speaker 2: reality show, and real estate reality shows weren't as big yet.
Speaker 2: I mean there was a million what was it called
Speaker 2: the Million Million dollars? Yeah, was it that mill? But
Speaker 2: that was but that was like one of the bigger
Speaker 2: real estate reality shows. Ours was like, how is this
Speaker 2: going to do on Netflix?
Speaker 1: None of us?
Speaker 3: No, Well, yes, it was a new genre for them.
Speaker 3: And yeah, the thing I'm talking to them about is
Speaker 3: as well, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, so you and your
Speaker 3: husband work together, we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when I first met me, I'll give you a
Speaker 2: little like drama tea. But when we when we first
Speaker 2: started dating, he was still working with his ex Christina.
Speaker 1: They were filming Flip or Flop Still, right, that was
Speaker 1: a big drama. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean they were navigating their divorce and breakup and
Speaker 2: they had been divorced for a while. That no, not
Speaker 2: a while, but you know a few years. And but
Speaker 2: they we're co parenting. But then they didn't talk. So
Speaker 2: it was like they only talked about like for the
Speaker 2: kids and on the show. Wasn't like they had this
Speaker 2: relationship off of TV, so like the cameras would be
Speaker 2: off and they'd go their separate ways and that would
Speaker 2: be it. And then if anything was for the kids
Speaker 2: that they would you know, talk about that and go
Speaker 2: to school things. But so when I came in, it
Speaker 2: was like, okay, so we're co parenting with this woman,
Speaker 2: but we don't like her like I you know, I
Speaker 2: was trying to like figure things out. I didn't know
Speaker 2: her on a deeper personal level just besides meeting her
Speaker 2: with the kids here and there. Obviously things are very
Speaker 2: different now, but you know, I came from reality, so
Speaker 2: who am I to come in and tell my husband
Speaker 2: or tell my boyfriend's time, like be weird that he's
Speaker 2: filled me with his ex wife.
Speaker 3: People were like, how do you do it? How do
Speaker 3: you deal with It's unbelievable. The whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, right, you know, who am I to
Speaker 2: come in and tell him what he can and can't do? Right,
Speaker 2: that's already what he was doing, that's his career, that's
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: So it's livelihood too.
Speaker 2: I was a very understanding of that, and like, coming
Speaker 2: from I think the same kind of world, you know,
Speaker 2: I get. I understood, and him and I had our
Speaker 2: thing and it was very strong, and I'm like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: go do your thing, go film, go work, and you know,
Speaker 2: make money whatever, And but people could not understand how
Speaker 2: I could be in this situation. They still can't understand.
Speaker 2: They're like, how are you friends with your with his
Speaker 2: ex wife? How are you filming a show with her?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: People just they can't comprehend it. They still can't. Well,
Speaker 2: it's been what six.
Speaker 1: Years more right? Six years?
Speaker 3: So it's six years and you all work together and
Speaker 3: she she's in another relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my husband, So Tark and I got our
Speaker 2: show and we filmed two seasons. Second season just finished airing,
Speaker 2: and then we all filmed a show together called The
Speaker 2: Flip Off, and that that aired and finished airing like
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and that did really well.
Speaker 2: So but that was mine and her first time working together.
Speaker 2: You know, we had done a few skits, like funny
Speaker 2: skits with each other, but we had never gotten to
Speaker 2: know each other on that deeper level of working together
Speaker 2: and seeing kind of a different side of each other.
Speaker 2: It was always like, you know, talking about mom stuff
Speaker 2: and the kids, and we text it and we talk
Speaker 2: every day. But it's different when you're working with someone
Speaker 2: you're seeing a different side of them.
Speaker 3: Yes, but here's an interesting thing that I would never
Speaker 3: have thought of or been able to like bring, or
Speaker 3: to bring to this audience. This is the interesting thing
Speaker 3: about reality TV, and in this case it's positive. So
Speaker 3: in reality TV, there's always a world where something happens
Speaker 3: and it's hard for you to process what's happening at
Speaker 3: the same time as knowing that the audience would want
Speaker 3: to know about it, and you almost feel fraudulent in
Speaker 3: your own body. And I think of Vicky Gumbelson when
Speaker 3: her mom, I think died and she was on the phone,
Speaker 3: and she allowed the cameras. Because it's not that just
Speaker 3: that this is I have the chills. It's not just
Speaker 3: that this is the job that you are paid to
Speaker 3: and have to do. It's that you're also aware that
Speaker 3: you wanted to do well and if you're a ready
Speaker 3: in this, you might as well give them the good stuff.
Speaker 3: You can't be half pregnant. You decided to do this experience,
Speaker 3: and so when something happens, that's what makes it messed
Speaker 3: up for a person. And that's what happens in those
Speaker 3: months that you're getting over it, is that you're sitting
Speaker 3: there like, am I a fucked up person that I'm
Speaker 3: thinking also at the same time as being upset about this,
Speaker 3: as that this is something that should be filmed, and
Speaker 3: you become almost like, you know, you're like pouring yourself out,
Speaker 3: but it's already happening. And so that's a thing. Do
Speaker 3: you agree with that part so far?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think also like social media too, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: we show so much of our lives on reality show
Speaker 2: and then like on social media, but then I do
Speaker 2: like to keep certain things private, but then I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's like this weird I don't know.
Speaker 3: Likewise, I have a private life on right, But I'm
Speaker 3: getting somewhere with this. So what I'm saying is, in
Speaker 3: normal life, if you're working in an office with your ex,
Speaker 3: that would be weird and nuanced.
Speaker 1: At least here you're acutely.
Speaker 3: Aware of the fact that the audience is going to
Speaker 3: be very intrigued and interested in this dynamic. So it
Speaker 3: makes a the working together totally seemingly palatable because you
Speaker 3: both are like it's like a wink, like we both
Speaker 3: know that they all want to know how this thing's going.
Speaker 3: So there's also a leaning into being kind to each other,
Speaker 3: but also a lean in, leaning into sassing each other
Speaker 3: a little bit because that's what it is, and also
Speaker 3: a work, so it's a little bit of like a
Speaker 3: just ad water you guys are That's what I would,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm envisioning that.
Speaker 1: Do you understand I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know, people are like.
Speaker 1: How did you guys say yes to this?
Speaker 2: I'm like, it is fascinating, right, I mean it is
Speaker 2: people are like they not only are like, oh, you
Speaker 2: guys look alike, and then how how are you guys
Speaker 2: doing this?
Speaker 1: How do you even co parent, How do you talk?
Speaker 1: How do you like each other? How are you friends?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? You know? They just eat it
Speaker 1: up so many they eat it up, they eat it up.
Speaker 3: It's like, but you guys are business people on a show,
Speaker 3: so you're already doing a show, so you might as
Speaker 3: well use go where the seshat. It's very Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a competitive spit. That's what I'm trying.
Speaker 1: That's the MODI.
Speaker 3: That's the center I'm trying to get to is that
Speaker 3: you're already doing it. So you spilled it in the car.
Speaker 3: Let's keep driving. That's what I'm saying. We're all in this,
Speaker 3: so we might as well just go for the people
Speaker 3: what they want. Yeah, so I get it, and I
Speaker 3: think gets smart. If you don't do TV, then you
Speaker 3: shouldn't do that. But you're in the TV space, all
Speaker 3: three of you. All of you aren't doing it for charity.
Speaker 3: You want to make money and be successful and get
Speaker 3: back on Netflix too and all this.
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I have to say about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing absolutely And are you friends with her? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, people ask me that.
Speaker 2: I never know how to answer it, because friendship to
Speaker 2: me is like you know, you have like your best
Speaker 2: core girlfriends, like your deep friendships with someone and her
Speaker 2: and I would say, we're building our friendship still, you know,
Speaker 2: friendship for me is like someone you can like trust
Speaker 2: fully and tell anything to and like in the end,
Speaker 2: like she's still my husband's ex wife, right, And as
Speaker 2: much as I really like her and I really really
Speaker 2: do like her and she really likes me, it's still
Speaker 2: you know, I have loyalty to my husband in the end,
Speaker 2: and I think if I was like telling her everything,
Speaker 2: I would tell my best friend.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: But we're we're i'd say friends, but not on like
Speaker 2: that deep, deep level.
Speaker 1: You know. It's a very.
Speaker 3: Honest answer, and like that's literally divorce and co parenting goals.
Speaker 3: So I feel like you don't need to get an
Speaker 3: A plus on the test. This you're getting an A
Speaker 3: Like this is it's hard.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have such a big heart and like
Speaker 2: I really do like her, and I'm like sometimes like
Speaker 2: I don't know how to answer that question because I
Speaker 2: hate being like, no, we're not friends because we are
Speaker 2: to an extent, But like I said, it's like there's
Speaker 2: things I just wouldn't go to a certain place with her.
Speaker 1: But do we go to like dinners? Yes? Do we laugh, yes,
Speaker 1: do we hug yes?
Speaker 2: Do we like talk about you know, yes we do,
Speaker 2: but to an extent, and.
Speaker 3: You can say we have a very good and strong, healthy,
Speaker 3: we have a very healthy and good relationship. Like Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what it sounds like, that's all anybody ever could want.
Speaker 3: And the kids are always the most important and sounds
Speaker 3: like you're doing the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah for them.
Speaker 3: Your husband is very lucky, like he worked on in
Speaker 3: the in the landscape of this reality TV sphere, it's shot,
Speaker 3: it's astounding,