1 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Hi, good morning. How are you. Nice to meet you. 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. I like the hearts behind you. 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: That's cute. Oh, thank you. So where are you? 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: I am at my house in Newport Beach, California. So 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: this is my where I do like my meetings and 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: my podcasts. 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: And you know, does it look like a studio? You 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: think it's cute? Is that a real background? That's a house, 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: that's my house. Well, yeah, it looks good. 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: And so yeah, it looks it looks like you created 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: a student like a background. 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a backdrop. Interesting. 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: Is Newport Beach more crowded now because of the fires? 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: Because everyone has people moved there, because I know Manhattan 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 3: Beach has taken a big turn. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: I think they're They're staying a little closer to Palisades, 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: but there has been definitely like more activity, busier down here, 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: and more rentals. 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: People are like going into rentals. You look like Kristin 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Cavaleri to me, do I yeah, never, no one's ever 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: said that, no, but yeah, I love her. So I'm like, okay, yeah, 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: I feel like you look like the color, the coloring, 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: the yeah, a lot of things, the eyebrows, the hair. 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: I feel like you look like her. I don't know. 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, okay, So I don't know a lot about you. 27 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: I had your husband on yet, and it gets confusing 28 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 3: because you guys have soap because there's so many different 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: characters and chapters to this saga, and then there's the 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: TV of it. 31 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Yep, and he talked a lot about you. I remember. 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I think he was talking about like boats. There were 33 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: boats next to each other. 34 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: Was that one of your first dates or something? It 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: was a while ago, but what was the boat story? Yeah? 36 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: It was our boat story. 37 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you're right. So that's where we first met. 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: So we met. It was July fourth, twenty nineteen. I 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: was living in LA at the time, and he was 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: He's always been at oc Boys at Orange County, and 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: I never came down here because it's like LA people. 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: You kind of stay in l a totally different, totally 43 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: different total. I lived there too, more okay, more than 44 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: even the valley. Yeah, valley's a different land. 45 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: The Valley's like Brooklyn to New York, but like that's 46 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: a different that's like almost like it's not even the 47 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: Hampton's because it's not like everybody goes to that area 48 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: from La it's just a different place, like Irvine or something. 49 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: It's just different place exactly. You just don't cross over, right. 50 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: And so my girlfriend was like fourth of July, let's 51 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: you usually would go to like Malibu, do you like 52 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: white party? And she'd let's do something different. Do you 53 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: want to go down to Newport Beach and go on 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: a yacht. I'm like, okay, sure sounds fun. I was 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: kind of in a place in my life. I was 56 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: thirty one, and I'm like, I just want to enjoy 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: my life. I had been dating, had been single for 58 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: about three and a half four months, so not very long, 59 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: but I was always in like long relationships, so I 60 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: was like, I'm just gonna have fun, sick of getting 61 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: like my heart broken. I just was like looking for 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: my husband at the time, like not looking, but you know, 63 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: I was kind of like ready for that next open. 64 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: I was open. And so I was on the boat 65 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: having like a great time. 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: I'm drinking champagne, like having fun, like flirting with boys, 67 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: and then I see my girlfriend on It was Tarak's boat, 68 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: and at the time I didn't know it was his boat. 69 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: So I went down to his boat said hi, Literally 70 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: I was on there for maybe a minute and he 71 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: comes over and he's like, Hi, I'm Tark, and I'm 72 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 2: like hi, Like, I know who you are. And I 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: knew mainly who he was. I knew the show Flip 74 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: or Flop, but I had. 75 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: Really that's it's so niche like that you because I 76 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: think my parents like my parents growing up. Yeah, it 77 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: wasn't like I really watched it, but I feel like 78 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: people knew that show because it was such a popular show. 79 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: And I had really heard about his divorce though. That's 80 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: when like I really heard his name and it was everywhere, 81 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: so I knew him more from the divorce. And then 82 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: he had actually asked me out on Instagram a few 83 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: years prior to me meeting him. 84 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: So when he how long had he been divorced? God, 85 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: let's see the timeline. 86 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: So they I think they separated in two thousand and 87 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: sixteen and wow a while and we met in twenty nineteen. 88 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: But he had reached out to me sometime during that 89 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: single period of his life. But he was reach out 90 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: to every girl, you know. It was like probably looking 91 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: for hot girls on social media. And at the time 92 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: I had a boyfriend, so I said, no, I'm thank 93 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: you for reaching out, but I have a boyfriend and 94 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not single. So then when he came 95 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: up to me on his boat, he was like, I'm tark. 96 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: I said, I know who you are. You asked me 97 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: on Instagram a few years ago, and he's like, oh shit. 98 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: So then he went and like looked at his DMS. 99 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: He's like, okay, do you still have a boyfriend? And 100 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: I said no. Do you want to go to Paris? 101 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: I said no. 102 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: He said do you want to go to Paris? Was 103 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: he already going to Paris? No, he wasn't going to Paris. 104 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: He was just like swinging like for the fences, like 105 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: trying to like go back or go home. 106 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: And then I said, love that that's who's not going 107 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: to be excited by that. 108 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so you said no. 109 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: But you know, at the time in my life, like 110 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: I had dated guys that you know, you date and 111 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: you think like, okay, well this is going great, and 112 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: then they ghost you and they never talked to you again. 113 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Oh of course, what's going on? 114 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: And I know people have some status, you know, And 115 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 2: so knowing he was on TV he's in that world, 116 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm just I'm not interested like, 117 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: I just don't want to go through this again. I 118 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: want to get married, I want to be with the 119 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: love of my life. I don't want to get hurt again. 120 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: And going out with him, I was just like, you know, 121 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: all these things in my head. So I'm like, what's 122 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: the point. I'm just going to waste my time. But 123 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: then he's like, do you want to know it to Vegas? 124 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: I said no, I'm not going to go spend the 125 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: night anywhere with you. And he's like, well, how about 126 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: a date? And I said, well maybe, And then we 127 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: were talking. We're kind of starting to get into a 128 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: deeper conversation and everyone's parting. 129 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: You know, he has a bunch of people on his boat. 130 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: We're in this like deeper conversation, started talking about his divorce. 131 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: He's sober then, because I think he told me he 132 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: was sober. So was he sober then on the boat? 133 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. 134 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't really paying attention to that. It 135 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: was so fast. There's a lot going on, but him 136 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: and I were kind of it was like a moment 137 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: where there's so much people are partying, and then it's 138 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: him and I like in this corner, really starting to 139 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: have this deep conversation and then these young girls came over. 140 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: They must have heard us talking, and they go, no, 141 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: talking about divorce on this boat, like this is a 142 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: fun day. 143 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: And I look at and I'm like, yeah, I'm done. 144 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: And I was like I'm sorry, I'm not dealing with this, 145 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: and I left. And now I found out after we 146 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: started dating and further on in our relationship that people 147 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: on his boat that are now my friends, they're like, oh, 148 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: he started sulking. He went downstairs into the room, he 149 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: wouldn't come out. We'd never seen him like that. He 150 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: was like, so sad that you left the boat because 151 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: for like, out of all those years, he met someone 152 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: that he had like butterflies, he felt that feeling and 153 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: he hadn't felt that because he was just never thought 154 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: he'd get married. I never thought he would date anyone 155 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: ever again. So he felt something that he hadn't felt 156 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: in a really long time. 157 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: Wow, that's such a nice story. It's like, put you 158 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: bringing me there, you good storyteller. I want to be 159 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: on the boat. I want to meet a guy right now. 160 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's a mez. So what's your age difference? 161 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: Six years? 162 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: Six years? Perfect o? 163 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So and that you just had a baby two 164 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: years ago. So he has he had two kids, so 165 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: now I'm a step mom. So I met the kids 166 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: when they were three and eight, and I met them 167 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: perfect really early on, like really fast in our relationship. 168 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: And I met his whole family. 169 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: He has a big family there, Lebanese and Belgium, so 170 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: it was like very you know, European. So he's like, 171 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: You're meeting the whole family and the kids all in 172 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: the same night, and I'm like, I come from like 173 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: a little family here in California, you know, and I'm 174 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: like okay, And I was so nervous to meet the kids, 175 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: especially his family, and it was fine, but the kids, 176 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: it was like I had never dated anyone with kids. 177 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: Before, So for yeah, yeah, that was yeah. Yeah. 178 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: I came from like, you know, my la life, and 179 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: I was filming selling suns at the time. 180 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: I was just in a totally different world. 181 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: And then I never thought I would date a man 182 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: that had kids like that wasn't something that I not 183 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: I honestly thought I couldn't do it. So I met 184 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: the kids all in one night, and the family. His 185 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: dad's like trying to feed me, like eleven year food 186 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: I'm vegan, so he made me this whole vegan spread. 187 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: He's like, eat this, try this. 188 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is like my big factory Lebanese wedding exactly, 189 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: big fact week wedding was what do we make it? 190 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: You don't eat meat? Yes, we make a lamb. I 191 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: make a lamb. I'm and here try this. I'm like okay. 192 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: And I'm like have my dog with me, like my 193 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: comfort dog, you know, And I'm like okay. And then 194 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: his mom I apparently tark my husband and me. Well, 195 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: you know, my husband and his mom got in a 196 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: fight before I showed up, and like they had to 197 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: go wrangle her in. And then it was it was 198 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: just like a mess, and I had no idea anything 199 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: was going on. And then his daughter and her cousin 200 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: and their friend made up a dance in a song 201 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: for me. They had been like practicing and performing all 202 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: day and it was tark and how they're sitting in 203 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: a tree k I asked, that's like the whole thing. 204 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: He loves her, he likes her, he loves her. 205 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: They get married, they have a baby, and like I'm 206 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: like standing there like, oh my god, what is happening 207 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: right now? 208 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: Right and then that was kind of it. 209 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: And I basically like moved in kept an apartment in 210 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: LA because I was working and filming up there, and 211 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: then I was going back and forth and that was it. 212 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 2: And then he proposed after a year, and like we 213 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: just we've been together now married almost four years together 214 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: six years. 215 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: You both have TV careers, which I want to hear 216 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: about that I want to hear about after. I want 217 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: to hear about your career because we're talking to you. 218 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: But I'm curious about being in a relationship where both 219 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: of you are navigating this BS and the whatever. First 220 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: of all the changes in entertainment, which you know, streamers 221 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 3: and network is like dinosaurs, and then also navigating a 222 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: relationship during that. It's not as crazy as like housewives 223 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: or something. But Selling Sunset had its share of drama. 224 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: Drama and like it's toxic. Probably I've never seen it, 225 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: but I've seen like clip, you know, yeah, little parts 226 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: of it, but like, uh. 227 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: That seems like high drama on the high seas well. 228 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: When we first met, I had just finished filming season one, 229 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: so Selling Sunset wasn't really that known yet. It didn't 230 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: get big until i'd say season three and during COVID 231 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: is when everyone started binging it. 232 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Yeah, And the drama wasn't that big either. 233 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: In the beginning. 234 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 3: It was probably actually about real estate in the beginning, 235 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: but you just go towards the drama. 236 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: It was more towards real estate, and then obviously, like 237 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: natural drama would come up. And but I so when 238 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: I left, I'm fast forwarding a little bit. When I 239 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: left season seven, like early season seven, I feel like 240 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: that's when you were in seven seasons. So yeah, almost 241 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: like part of seven. I'm like, there's a whole drama 242 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: thing behind that. But I left for maternity to leave, 243 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: and then I never went back. And at the time, 244 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: I was already filming Flipping al Musas with Taric, so 245 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: we had our flipping show and we were filming season 246 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: one of that, and then I was filming Selling Sunset 247 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: as well at the same time. And then I left 248 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: for maternity to leave, and then I never went to 249 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: Selling Sunset. 250 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: But yeah, I was I have a question, I have 251 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: our question. So I've just I've just reminded of this. 252 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: And people always love inside Baseball about reality TV. The 253 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: reason in the beginning, it's fresh and it's not such 254 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 3: toxic drama is that it's almost like the roots aren't 255 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: as deep, meaning if you meet someone in a little 256 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: moment happens, it's a little silly thing about you saying 257 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: something rude to them at a table. But seven seasons in, 258 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: the drama has babies, and the babies of the drama 259 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: has babies, like meaning the drama gets embedded and it's 260 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: like you're living these toxic relationships on the show. So 261 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: that's why it exponentially gets more toxic. Like for example, 262 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: show like Real House was of New Jersey, It's the 263 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: first season was pretty actually dramatic with the Danielle on 264 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: the table flip. But that notwithstanding, there aren't twenty different 265 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: tentacles of drama that are deep rooted. 266 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: Is that do you agree? I agree? 267 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: And I feel like when you're with the same women, 268 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: because it was all it was like our core group 269 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: and we were all working together before the show. It 270 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: wasn't like we were cast it on for the show, 271 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: and so all we had relationships already. Krishell was the 272 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: only one that was brought in in the beginning, and 273 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: you know, none of us knew her, so I was 274 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: like getting to know her. 275 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: And none of us. 276 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: She's the one who was married to the actor from 277 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: This is Us. Yeah, and she's now she's in a 278 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: relationship with a woman. 279 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. She was brought in. Okay, So so. 280 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: You came in all knowing each other, and what who 281 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: do you still have relationships with from that group? 282 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: I still talk to Krishell, I still talk to Emma. 283 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: Emma was brought in later on. Mary and I have 284 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: known each other forever. We still talk. I still talk 285 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: with three here and there. She was brought in later 286 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: on as well. I still you know, I talked to 287 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: all of them except Christine. She's the only one that 288 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: I don't keep in touch with. We just you know, 289 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: I was always like really the kind of the calm 290 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: one at the group. I'd say, like very level headed 291 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: and kind of friends with everybody. And I was happy. 292 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 2: I was in a happy relationship. I you know, was 293 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: a happy person. I didn't like to deal with like 294 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: the fighting and the drama, and so I was, you know, 295 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: really didn't deal with a lot of that stuff. But 296 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: when I left, i'd say it got worse because the 297 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: relationships weren't there anymore. 298 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: It was like, I feel like they are just it 299 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: was all drama. 300 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: There wasn't like deep rooted relationships when I was there 301 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: and we first started. We're all really friends, and I 302 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: feel like TV changed a lot of them, well a 303 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: few of them, not a lot of them, but a 304 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: few of them. 305 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 306 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny because people will say, I hear 307 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: you know, I'm bashing the thing that made Maybe it's 308 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 3: the common thing when I talk about it. 309 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: It's it's a dumpster. It just is. 310 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: And you could say what you want, Matt, say what 311 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: you want. But it also didn't start out as a dumpster. 312 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: It's become this toxic waste dump because in the beginning 313 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: there would be no paparazzi, and then like let's say, 314 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 3: second or third season, there might be one or two photographers. 315 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: But the show I forgot about this. The show themselves, 316 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: the producers didn't want to show that part because that's breaking, 317 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 3: that's meta. We are nobody's and they're showing our lives, 318 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: So why would we have paparazzi And now the people 319 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 3: are stars on a show. But the show's supposed to 320 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: be a reality show about people living moms or sell 321 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, selling real estate. When paparazzi and Red carpets 322 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: are part of it because it's now famous people, so 323 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: it's a little bit like a circular reference. It's hard 324 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: to get the freshness back of the Jersey Shore the 325 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: first season or even the first couple, you know, so 326 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: it's hard to keep people's normal. 327 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: So you guys were real estate brokers. 328 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: You're spot on though with everything, and like they didn't 329 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: want to show that side of it because yeah, they didn't. 330 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: They didn't want any of our outside lives. So even 331 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: like we had assistance, we all had like other things 332 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: going on, big brand deals, like other things were coming 333 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: in and they didn't show any of that. It was like, nope, 334 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: you're a real estate agent. We're like okay, And it's 335 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: got hard to actually do your real job because they 336 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: were filming so much. 337 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, and this becomes your job. And that's why 338 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: many people end up having these sort of it's a 339 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: little different like fake brands, because they have to create 340 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: more content to infuse into the show, to stay on 341 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: the show and stay relevant, and so then these brands 342 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: aren't real, and those brands that aren't real become content 343 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: on the show because they become arguments with other people. Wait, 344 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: that's not real and you don't really have that and 345 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: you're not successful when the person wouldn't have gone and 346 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: gotten that brand to begin with if it weren't for 347 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: needing content for the show, because just being a mom 348 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: is not going to fill the airwaves enough. Just being 349 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: a chef, it's gonna be boring. They're gonna want the 350 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: drama and what else you do. So it is a 351 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: circular reference. And in that way, when people ask if 352 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: it's real, what's happening is real? It's but what the 353 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: premise isn't real. It's happened the people you're talking to, 354 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: what you're talking about, and like, that's not necessarily real. 355 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: So I think that's a very interesting thing where reality 356 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: TV isn't real because you just wouldn't be having these 357 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: dumb arguments in your real life. 358 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: And then they're they're highlighting things that I feel like 359 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: as women, you kind of like, Okay, you talk about 360 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: it and you move on, and then it's like the 361 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: next day they want you to talk about it again. Yeah, 362 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: that person's talking about it and it ends up being 363 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: bigger and then they're like, oh, you're gonna let her 364 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: she said that, And I'm like, what exactly you know, 365 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and then it turns into a 366 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: whole thing and then you want to make good TV, right, 367 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: I mean that's what I'm there for. 368 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: No totally, and I mean having been there for seven years, 369 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: we can relate to each other a lot where I 370 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: bet you thought that everybody was watching this and everybody 371 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: knew everything, and I bet you thought this is like 372 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: the only thing going on, Like you're out talking about it, 373 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: and you're talking about it, and then you see other 374 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: casts do it like it's kind of a world and 375 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: it almost like after having a baby, your body isn't 376 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: here for a while. It takes a while to really 377 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: rinse it off of sure, like an X too, like 378 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: where you're not thinking about it, thinking about the other 379 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: people that are on it, thinking about the headlines, and 380 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: then thinking about other people's social media, and then one 381 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: day like they become not even in your like I 382 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: don't have I really I don't ever watch the I 383 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: don't watch the shows at all, but I don't even 384 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: think about it. 385 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: I used to think about it a lot. 386 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: It was like right when I didn't go back, is 387 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: when I had just had Tristan, and so I was 388 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: so focused on you know, being a bait, a mom 389 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: to a newborn, and it was right when, like I 390 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: think it was right when one of the episodes came out, 391 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: and you know, usually afterwards all this shit has talked 392 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: about you, and you know you have to kind of 393 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: rewatch the drama of what happened and relive it, which 394 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: can be really stressful. 395 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: And I wasn't even I was just so like removed 396 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: from it. 397 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: But then I'd say it hit me about six months 398 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: later when I kind of started feeling like myself again, 399 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: where it was like, Wow, I'm no longer on the 400 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: show that's exactly part of my life that I lived 401 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: for so long. Like you said, it was like almost 402 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: like I had to come down from that and like 403 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: go through my emotional journey of like I'm no longer 404 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: filming with those women anymore, I'm no longer going up 405 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: to LA. That's no longer my job, that's no longer 406 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: my life, And it was like a huge transition and 407 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: then becoming a at the same time. It was a 408 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: lot for me in that first like few months six months, 409 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 2: and I'd say I didn't feel like normal after postpartum. 410 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: I didn't have postpartum depression, but you know, we all 411 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 2: go through something. 412 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: I'd say it took me about a year. 413 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: But then I'm lucky that I transitioned from selling suns 414 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: and I had another show. So it's not like I 415 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: went off TV completely because I did the same exact thing. Yeah, 416 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: because I hadn't went off Yeah, so I had something 417 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: else going on to keep me busy, and I had 418 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: my other show. I think when TV it's kind of 419 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: like sports, right when you're done, it's just like, oh 420 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: my god, now what am I doing with my life? 421 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: But I did that too. The first time I left, 422 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: I had the other show. The second time I left, 423 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: I just walked, And that was when it was more 424 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 3: like what you were just describing, like really just and 425 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: I chose to leave both times. And this was a 426 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: crazy thing that I realized in the moment that I 427 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: had been on reality TV for a quarter of my 428 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: life now of my lifetime, not including the five other 429 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 3: shows anyway. But in the paperwork about you, it says 430 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: that you were pushed out. Did you leave or did 431 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: they fire you? I did not choose to leave. 432 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: I've never really like went in to depth about this, 433 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: just because I have a good relationship still with Netflix, and. 434 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: I'd like to keep it like that. 435 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: So, you know, I've never really gone into like a 436 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: deeper discussion about it, but I basically all I can 437 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: say is I wanted to come back, and I wasn't 438 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: asked back, so but I was filming the other show already, 439 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: so you know, I think that there might have been 440 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: some upset that I was doing something else on another network. 441 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: We have a good relationship. 442 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: You know, we were in a good place and I'm 443 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: grateful for the years and years that I spent with them, 444 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 2: and you know, them giving like us a chance to 445 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: have a reality show. You know, it was such a 446 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: new thing for Netflix at the time to have a 447 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: reality show, and real estate reality shows weren't as big yet. 448 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: I mean there was a million what was it called 449 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: the Million Million dollars? Yeah, was it that mill? But 450 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: that was but that was like one of the bigger 451 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: real estate reality shows. Ours was like, how is this 452 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: going to do on Netflix? 453 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: None of us? 454 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: No, Well, yes, it was a new genre for them. 455 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, the thing I'm talking to them about is 456 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: as well, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, so you and your 457 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: husband work together, we do. 458 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 459 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: So when I first met me, I'll give you a 460 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: little like drama tea. But when we when we first 461 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: started dating, he was still working with his ex Christina. 462 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: They were filming Flip or Flop Still, right, that was 463 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: a big drama. Yeah, you know. 464 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: I mean they were navigating their divorce and breakup and 465 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: they had been divorced for a while. That no, not 466 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: a while, but you know a few years. And but 467 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: they we're co parenting. But then they didn't talk. So 468 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: it was like they only talked about like for the 469 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 2: kids and on the show. Wasn't like they had this 470 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: relationship off of TV, so like the cameras would be 471 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 2: off and they'd go their separate ways and that would 472 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: be it. And then if anything was for the kids 473 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: that they would you know, talk about that and go 474 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 2: to school things. But so when I came in, it 475 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: was like, okay, so we're co parenting with this woman, 476 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: but we don't like her like I you know, I 477 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: was trying to like figure things out. I didn't know 478 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: her on a deeper personal level just besides meeting her 479 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: with the kids here and there. Obviously things are very 480 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: different now, but you know, I came from reality, so 481 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: who am I to come in and tell my husband 482 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: or tell my boyfriend's time, like be weird that he's 483 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: filled me with his ex wife. 484 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: People were like, how do you do it? How do 485 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: you deal with It's unbelievable. The whole thing is crazy. 486 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: But I'm like, right, you know, who am I to 487 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: come in and tell him what he can and can't do? Right, 488 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: that's already what he was doing, that's his career, that's 489 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: his life. 490 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: So it's livelihood too. 491 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: I was a very understanding of that, and like, coming 492 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: from I think the same kind of world, you know, 493 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: I get. I understood, and him and I had our 494 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: thing and it was very strong, and I'm like, okay, yeah, 495 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: go do your thing, go film, go work, and you know, 496 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 2: make money whatever, And but people could not understand how 497 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: I could be in this situation. They still can't understand. 498 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: They're like, how are you friends with your with his 499 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: ex wife? How are you filming a show with her? 500 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: How are you? 501 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: People just they can't comprehend it. They still can't. Well, 502 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: it's been what six. 503 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: Years more right? Six years? 504 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: So it's six years and you all work together and 505 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: she she's in another relationship. 506 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, so my husband, So Tark and I got our 507 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: show and we filmed two seasons. Second season just finished airing, 508 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 2: and then we all filmed a show together called The 509 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: Flip Off, and that that aired and finished airing like 510 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and that did really well. 511 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: So but that was mine and her first time working together. 512 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: You know, we had done a few skits, like funny 513 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: skits with each other, but we had never gotten to 514 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: know each other on that deeper level of working together 515 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: and seeing kind of a different side of each other. 516 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: It was always like, you know, talking about mom stuff 517 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: and the kids, and we text it and we talk 518 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: every day. But it's different when you're working with someone 519 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: you're seeing a different side of them. 520 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: Yes, but here's an interesting thing that I would never 521 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: have thought of or been able to like bring, or 522 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 3: to bring to this audience. This is the interesting thing 523 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: about reality TV, and in this case it's positive. So 524 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 3: in reality TV, there's always a world where something happens 525 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 3: and it's hard for you to process what's happening at 526 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 3: the same time as knowing that the audience would want 527 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: to know about it, and you almost feel fraudulent in 528 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: your own body. And I think of Vicky Gumbelson when 529 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 3: her mom, I think died and she was on the phone, 530 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: and she allowed the cameras. Because it's not that just 531 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: that this is I have the chills. It's not just 532 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: that this is the job that you are paid to 533 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: and have to do. It's that you're also aware that 534 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: you wanted to do well and if you're a ready 535 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: in this, you might as well give them the good stuff. 536 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: You can't be half pregnant. You decided to do this experience, 537 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: and so when something happens, that's what makes it messed 538 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: up for a person. And that's what happens in those 539 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: months that you're getting over it, is that you're sitting 540 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 3: there like, am I a fucked up person that I'm 541 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: thinking also at the same time as being upset about this, 542 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: as that this is something that should be filmed, and 543 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: you become almost like, you know, you're like pouring yourself out, 544 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: but it's already happening. And so that's a thing. Do 545 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 3: you agree with that part so far? 546 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 547 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: And I think also like social media too, Like, you know, 548 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: we show so much of our lives on reality show 549 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: and then like on social media, but then I do 550 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 2: like to keep certain things private, but then I don't know, 551 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: it's like this weird I don't know. 552 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 3: Likewise, I have a private life on right, But I'm 553 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 3: getting somewhere with this. So what I'm saying is, in 554 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: normal life, if you're working in an office with your ex, 555 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 3: that would be weird and nuanced. 556 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: At least here you're acutely. 557 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 3: Aware of the fact that the audience is going to 558 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 3: be very intrigued and interested in this dynamic. So it 559 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: makes a the working together totally seemingly palatable because you 560 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: both are like it's like a wink, like we both 561 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: know that they all want to know how this thing's going. 562 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: So there's also a leaning into being kind to each other, 563 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 3: but also a lean in, leaning into sassing each other 564 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: a little bit because that's what it is, and also 565 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: a work, so it's a little bit of like a 566 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 3: just ad water you guys are That's what I would, 567 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: That's what I'm envisioning that. 568 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: Do you understand I'm saying? 569 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know, people are like. 570 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: How did you guys say yes to this? 571 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, it is fascinating, right, I mean it is 572 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: people are like they not only are like, oh, you 573 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: guys look alike, and then how how are you guys 574 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: doing this? 575 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: How do you even co parent, How do you talk? 576 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: How do you like each other? How are you friends? 577 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 3: Like? 578 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: What do you mean? You know? They just eat it 579 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: up so many they eat it up, they eat it up. 580 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: It's like, but you guys are business people on a show, 581 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 3: so you're already doing a show, so you might as 582 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 3: well use go where the seshat. It's very Yeah, it's 583 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: a competitive spit. That's what I'm trying. 584 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: That's the MODI. 585 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: That's the center I'm trying to get to is that 586 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: you're already doing it. So you spilled it in the car. 587 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: Let's keep driving. That's what I'm saying. We're all in this, 588 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: so we might as well just go for the people 589 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: what they want. Yeah, so I get it, and I 590 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: think gets smart. If you don't do TV, then you 591 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: shouldn't do that. But you're in the TV space, all 592 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 3: three of you. All of you aren't doing it for charity. 593 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: You want to make money and be successful and get 594 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: back on Netflix too and all this. 595 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: So that's that's what I have to say about that. Yeah, 596 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing absolutely And are you friends with her? Yeah? 597 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: You know, people ask me that. 598 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: I never know how to answer it, because friendship to 599 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: me is like you know, you have like your best 600 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 2: core girlfriends, like your deep friendships with someone and her 601 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: and I would say, we're building our friendship still, you know, 602 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: friendship for me is like someone you can like trust 603 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: fully and tell anything to and like in the end, 604 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: like she's still my husband's ex wife, right, And as 605 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: much as I really like her and I really really 606 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: do like her and she really likes me, it's still 607 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: you know, I have loyalty to my husband in the end, 608 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: and I think if I was like telling her everything, 609 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: I would tell my best friend. 610 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense. 611 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: But we're we're i'd say friends, but not on like 612 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: that deep, deep level. 613 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: You know. It's a very. 614 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 3: Honest answer, and like that's literally divorce and co parenting goals. 615 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: So I feel like you don't need to get an 616 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 3: A plus on the test. This you're getting an A 617 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 3: Like this is it's hard. 618 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, I have such a big heart and like 619 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: I really do like her, and I'm like sometimes like 620 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: I don't know how to answer that question because I 621 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: hate being like, no, we're not friends because we are 622 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: to an extent, But like I said, it's like there's 623 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: things I just wouldn't go to a certain place with her. 624 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: But do we go to like dinners? Yes? Do we laugh, yes, 625 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: do we hug yes? 626 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: Do we like talk about you know, yes we do, 627 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: but to an extent, and. 628 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 3: You can say we have a very good and strong, healthy, 629 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: we have a very healthy and good relationship. Like Yeah, 630 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 3: that's what it sounds like, that's all anybody ever could want. 631 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: And the kids are always the most important and sounds 632 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: like you're doing the best. 633 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: Yeah for them. 634 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 3: Your husband is very lucky, like he worked on in 635 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: the in the landscape of this reality TV sphere, it's shot, 636 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: it's astounding,