WEBVTT - The Ukraine Episode: Featuring Boba Fett 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.120 Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:22.440 Radio Together Everything, So don't don't don't Well, I guess 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:29.160 we're here. We're back again, Yeah, bo Jeff, Yeah, I'm 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:35.560 so scared of that. Hello of me the worst year Ever. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.600 We should have changed it to the worst Years Ever. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:46.120 When we continued on in hindsights years Comma, they have 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:51.000 not gotten better. The year the year that continues poorly, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.960 even though it's technically a different year. That's good. That 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:56.520 could we could do, like there could be a song 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.200 that does have something to it. But I don't know, man, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.160 there's an internal rhythm. I think I think we can 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.400 make it work. It flows to the beat of jazz 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.360 like a cosmic gumbo like it is like a cosmic 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:15.280 Gubbo Grrison's here today. Hello, hey Cody, You're so glad 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.800 to see them? God, how did you? How did you 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:24.000 feel about the Bubba Fette shows? The Bubba Here's how 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.120 I feel about the Bubba Fette show. Um, well, the 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.880 Mandalorian I would say it's like pretty good in terms 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.680 of direction. It was trying to take the star war. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:37.240 Um Boba Fette is an interesting show because me, Cody 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.640 uh from let's say fifteen years ago would have uh 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.200 immediately watched it as soon as it was put up, 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.480 and probably watched it a second time and watched all 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.440 of it. Um, I haven't seen a second of the 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.320 Boba Fette show. Good for You, Good for You. It's good, 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:02.840 is it? I liked it because it's basically just more 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.920 of the Mandalorian It is not show, which is nice. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.440 I don't care about Boba Fette. I just like I 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:14.240 like it's fine. I like it's like it's kind of 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.200 a it's kind of a wonky space Western thing, which 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.080 is all all that I wanted from it. I'm not 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.240 going to watch it a second time. That's when you 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.560 want from I watched. I watched it. I enjoy the fights, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.040 I the characters are They're all actors that I like 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.960 seeing do stuff. And I don't I don't have like 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:36.079 strong feelings about it. The show is a list strong feelings. Well, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:40.239 it doesn't that I comprehensively enjoy it. See that's the 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.200 thing about it. Like that's why I haven't watched it. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.520 It's like I have no feeling about it. It has 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.040 it has no feeling. It is so sanitized and corporate, 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.760 and the show is so uninterested in Boba Fett as 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.160 a character because no one should be interested in him 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.919 because he's boring. Ye, he's not any counterpoint from someone 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.080 he has hasn't seen The Mandalorian or Botha, and he's 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:07.080 not gonna Sometimes you just need something whatever to put 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.160 on with good fights. That's that's kind of enough actors, 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.800 and especially when the world is looking like it is now. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.080 I have not watched or cared about I have not 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.320 cared about a Star Wars in a long time. I 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.399 didn't care for any of the new movies. I did 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:29.320 not care for any of the prequels. Um, but I've 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.040 liked some of the comics and the Bubba fet shows 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.760 fun I like, I enjoyed, I enjoyed it. Uh, it's good, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.200 It's not for you, Robert. Yeah, I would enjoy a 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.840 Doctor Offer TV show, a Doctor after TV show, and 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.680 the night. The thing that I liked most about the 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.080 Bubba Fete show was black her Santin showing up, which 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.040 made me think like, oh, we might actually get the 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.360 thing that I want most. Well, so yeah, that's a thing. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:53.960 Like with a show like this, I'm like, well, don't 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.560 do a Boba Fete show. Just do like literally tales 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.560 for the past Star Wars anthology series much better, I think, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.920 But I feel like they did that. They just stuck 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.280 the name Boba Fette on the top that the clicks 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.360 and I don't but like care you're Disney, You're on Disney. Plus, uh, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.200 you're doing Star Wars. You don't need to get the clicks. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.480 Like it, like people will be there no matter what, 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.679 no matter what you do. Here's my attitude. The fact 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.240 that Disney launched what they claimed was a Boba Fette 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.160 show and then in the middle of the series and 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:28.240 turned into the episodes not feature Boba Fette is the 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.280 bravest decision I've seen them make yet in the Star 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:37.600 Wars realm. And very funny. It's really funny through it's 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:42.840 literally just becomes the Mandalorian season whatever. Like he's not 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:52.359 he's not in the it's just Pedro Bascal doing ship episode. Yeah, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:57.560 there's that's very funny. I thought funny. It turns into 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.960 a show with and get I like Mark Cambell and 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.159 that's what the show is. Here's what I like to see. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.960 I didn't like the c G I Mark Cammell stuff. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.719 I'll go that was the most off putting part of it. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.840 Tom Garrison. Yeah, I thought the number one. If you're 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.560 going to do c g I mark Camill's face to 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.839 make him look young. Okay, I'll take the argument because 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.320 like he's a big part of the Star Wars expanded universe. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.560 Just let Mark Hambill do the voice. Don't. Don't get 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.960 weird with the greatest voice actor alive. Use him. Do 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.839 the thing that other things have done, which is get 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.880 the actor to do it and then d age him 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:36.840 like the try, you know, like, if you're gonna do 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.760 the weird fucking you know, the deep fake thing, at 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.800 least use his real voice. But that is that is 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.560 the real problem is that it's also a deep fake 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.880 voice via the program Reespeecher, and it's not good so emotionless, right, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.200 it's just like, yeah, it's a robot. It's a robot 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.039 trying to Yeah, And that part I didn't like. But 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.039 what I did like about it is that in terms 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.520 of its construction, like it's bizarre for a TV show 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.320 to be a stably based around a guy and then 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.280 he disappears for half of the series, But it's not 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.680 weird for a comic book like comic it's true and 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.960 that that's kind of what I thought might be, that 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.080 we might be heading towards something kind of neat where 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.280 they actually are building up to just doing what they've 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.480 been doing pretty well. Like the latest run of Star 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.640 Wars comics have been good. And I said, again as 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.080 someone who's not particularly a Star Wars fan, like I 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.320 like all that ship, the Darth Vader ones and stuff, like, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.839 there's some good stuff in there, um, and it's my 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.280 hope that like they'll just kind of keep spinning towards 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:34.920 that and they'll get really weird with it. Like there 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.960 were some moments of like cad Bane showing up and 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.520 ship it's like without wow, okay, you guys willing to 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.520 get kind of strange. Um. So it was as it 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.880 was also fun when he did a drug trip with 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:51.960 the Tuscans when he took the best episode was episode 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.240 two when he just did drugs with the Tuscans and 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.440 that was actually incredibly rad. There's some fun ship in there. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.279 And my must to you, as this Cody, if you 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.160 watch the Boba Fetts show, you will be frustrated at 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.720 some points, you will be entertained at other points. You 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.040 will probably not be thinking about the looming specter of 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.520 global conflict for most of the time that you that's 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.680 so anyone can ask for from specifically Star Wars to 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:23.400 like no one's asking you to make like amazing art 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:29.920 speaking of global conflict before we pivot to the news. Um, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.160 I just this has nothing to do with Star Wars either. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.920 But it's a really good show that I know, and 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.480 I want you to watch it. I want you want 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.640 to watch it. And it's called Patriot, And thank God Prime, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.360 I thought you were going to see Euphoria. No, I 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:51.160 wasn't going to do that. I truly think that you 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.880 would all enjoy the show Patriot on Amazon Prime. And 0:07:54.880 --> 0:08:02.600 I've heard it's a show on Amazon Prime. Um, it's great. Um, 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.840 it's got only got two seasons outstanding motherfucking cast um. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.320 And I don't know how much to say to not 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.560 spoil it. But it's basically like a guy works in 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:19.320 the government and his son is a not secret service 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.200 beat is off the book jobs for the government, and 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.200 but he's all fucked up from one trip and he 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.720 has to go straight into another one to intercept some cash. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.520 Blah blah blah, and its spirals out. But it's very funny. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:37.600 It's so funny, and it's heartbreaking and well written and 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.520 full of action. And it's also like a lovely family story. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.680 There's like a brother relationship that's very special. It's really 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.800 it's good. Nobody watches it and is disappointed. I will, 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.840 I will check that out. It's good to have a 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.719 good show to watch when times are like this, if 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.720 you need to like just that that sounds fun. I 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.480 have been people all over my timeline. I've been talking 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.840 about Euphoria, which my favorite thing about this. I don't 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.640 I know nothing about this show. I haven't watched it. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.520 I don't plan to watch it. But the very fun 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.199 part is that, like all of the commentary for weeks 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.079 has been like, oh, it's high school kids. They're dealing 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.000 with like drugs and you know, one of them's trans 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.240 and like it's all this, like you know, it seemed 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.959 like a normal, like basic basic stuff. And then someone's 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.760 people started playing a clip from apparently the last episode 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:29.400 where Okay, you watched the show, huh, I do watch it, 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:34.520 iry see, I have no idea what I watch. That's 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.800 not a secret that I watched television. Cody as another spoiler, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.520 Boba feats he gets out of the hole, he gets 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:46.040 out of the pit. Pit. We started the show saying 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:51.200 I've not seen the boat show yet. The class getting 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.080 out of a pit, getting out, he got knocked into 0:09:54.080 --> 0:10:02.880 accidently classic feet, like a yeah, you know, I I 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.760 think classic Boba Fett is just falling into the hole. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.560 And now we're we're expanding his character because he's able 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.320 to get out of a whole. The end of the 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.000 Hero's journey, crawled out of the hole. Do you read? 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.920 And then he crawled out of the hole. Should we pivot? Yeah, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.560 we should probably pivot. Probably. We've we've literally gone like 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.400 probably a year or more without talking about TV, but 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.240 now everything is so bad that we just talked about 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:34.640 for eleven minutes. Last time we talked about it, it 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.599 was it was well, it was gay Superman was the 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.640 last time. That's right, god man. That was like forty 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:46.760 seven moral panics ago. It was at least I forgot 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:52.440 we had gay Superman. Yeah, they were the days Superman 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:58.040 ruined society by having a gay son. Look where we 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.520 are now. Things have gotten worse. So we had a 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.520 gay Superman and then Vladimir Putin started a war because 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.280 of it. Because of it, I mean, he did give 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.199 that speech a few months ago about wokeness and PC 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.720 culture in the West. So, yeah, I mean NATO stands 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:23.560 for nobody ever takes no no as taste. Yeah, I don't. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.680 I don't know. I was going to try to tie 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.720 it in, but there's no way I've got I've got nothing. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.920 What how are we all doing? What's going on in 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.800 the world were pretty bad stuff. Patient You're like, shouldn't 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.120 we talk about like what we're here for? Yeah, I 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.360 don't know. It's been a hard week. I didn't even 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.120 know how to start talking about everything, you know. So 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.560 I think the thing that is most notable to me 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.640 is that there are two, Like there's what's actually happening 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.160 in the war, and then there's the Russian propaganda, which 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:06.080 is fairly incoherent and not particularly because of like how 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.560 rapidly a bunch of ship was d platformed. There's very 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.520 little visibility of that um in the West. And then 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.640 there's the Ukrainian propaganda, which is most of what people 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.559 who are listening this are seeing on their timeline. Which 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.560 doesn't mean that like it's not none of it's happening 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.000 or anything, but it does mean that like a very 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.400 skewed view of what's happening on the ground is being 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.920 passed two people because largely that it feels good. And 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.559 like again, there's all sorts of like there's all sorts 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.240 of there's always mixes of truth in with it, like 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.520 for example, the you know, you now have the thing 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.680 that happens anytime a person in a position of power 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.960 doesn't funk up, which is that a chunk of libs 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:54.160 have gotten real weird and sexual about it, very very horny, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.800 and that I I felt because I you know, I 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.240 there's a lot of really valid criticisms of Zelinski, particularly 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.240 prior to the outbreak of fighting. Among other things, one 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.640 thing that is, he repeatedly kind of downplayed what they 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.560 believed as the risk of a full scale Russian invasion 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.880 um to the point of like really arguing with a 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.440 lot of the U S intelligence, which you know, I 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.319 think there's an argument trying to keep it from panic 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.120 and everything. But at the same time, people needed to leave. Yes, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.839 there's a lot of civilians who did not adequately get 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.000 to prepare for what was going to happen. And and 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.400 again I think that's a really important point to not 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.000 just like the fact that they've had Russian military and 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.199 on their periphery for a long time. You know, they 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.680 were invaded not that long ago and eight years ago, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.160 I mean, but you know, it happened, and they've been 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.280 you know, Russians have build up, weeks have build up. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.920 But I think, from what I'm understanding, just people didn't 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.640 quite they didn't until it happened. They didn't believe that 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.800 it would happen. And there's so much disinformation that always 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.439 rounds were so much disinformation surrounding this. It's not the 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.319 kind of I'm not gonna like condemn Zalinski is a 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.880 human being forever for that failure of his administration, but 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.839 it is a failure and it deserves to be noted 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.320 as such. UM. And there have been some other things 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.400 that are really questionable. One of them is this is 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.200 probably not questionable from a military standpoint, You could argue 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:19.520 with the right thing to do, but it's a deeply 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.120 morally questionable act. Which is the forced conscription of every 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.280 adult male under the age of sixty UM, which is 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.200 like to some really brutal moments, particularly at the border, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.520 as families try to flee and they are separated from 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:35.160 their their sons and husbands, UM, which is again in 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.240 the long view of history, when we're looking at this 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.120 years down the line. Depending on how this all goes, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.800 people may say, well, this was you know that, this 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.680 was what what allowed Ukraine to eke out a victory. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.480 This was necessary, you know, just like so many horrible 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.800 things that had to be done by the Allied forces 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.120 in World War Two wound up being necessary. Or we 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.080 may say well this fed a lot of young men 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.800 into a meat grinder, a lot of families without kids, 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.880 and it didn't affect the the old. We can't know, right, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.760 these are things that are worth discussing and worth being 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:09.280 potentially critical about, but we also have to acknowledge as like, well, nobody, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.520 no nobody ever makes perfect or even mostly good decisions 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.600 in a war. I think that that would be fair 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.920 to argue, like, you can look at fd impossible calculations 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.800 inspiring moments of FDR from World War Two while he 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.360 was like locking Japanese people up in internment camps. You know, um, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.520 the same thing with you know. So I'll give us 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.680 a scale a lot of credit for staying and repeatedly 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.960 putting his life on the line and refusing to do 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.360 what I think nearly every other world leader would have done, 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.360 which is get the funk out of there and hide 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.520 in a mansion and you know, Germany or somewhat and 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.520 try to direct this from a distance, which is by 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.800 far the norm. And the fact that he didn't speaks 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.160 better of him as a person than I can probably 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.280 say of any other national elected leader on the planet 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.960 at the moment um. And it's certainly caught the world's 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:00.560 attention if it wasn't paying attention before. And you know, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.400 the morning is weird and I hate I hate it 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.400 when that happens. I hate it because it makes me 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.520 feel like, you know, I made some posts being like 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.920 this is something that should be law to the specific act, 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.200 you know, refusing to leave that is, you know, an 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.840 act of courage that we should appreciate. And then when 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.120 a bunch of people get really horny about it, it's like, 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.800 well should I even are you feeding into that by 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.440 just like commenting on this thing that is legitimately good 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.960 And these are kind of there's a lot of It's 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.520 the same thing with like, are you feeding into unreasonable 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.680 and unrealistic optimism about the course of the war if 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.280 you celebrate specific kinds of victories, what happened of the 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:43.520 broader struggle, what happens, what we see happening. I mean, Garrison, 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.200 you put some examples in this doc I'm sure, but 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.240 this this idea that it's like a movie playing out 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.880 and he's are unlikely hero the guy with this game, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.600 I know, but like because he's got this storied past 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.320 and it reads like a play. It is very funny 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.840 that he played the piano with his testicles on stage 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.480 at one point. That's that's that's great and fine, but 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.679 also we don't need a New York party. A New 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.040 York Post article saying we share discast Jeremy Renner as 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:19.680 Lensky in Fantasy Ukraine. It makes me sick and everyone 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.400 everyone doing that should be flung into the sea. We're 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:30.240 like watching dies, but thousands of people. People are dying, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.520 like vacuum mombs are being detonated in crowded city blocks. Um, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.360 some of the most terrifying weapons that exist on this planet. Yeah, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.560 you can. You cannot stand precedents like you don't need to. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.800 Like you can. You can recognize that certain leaders are 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.679 doing things that other people maybe too cowardly to do. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.520 But you can recognize that without getting weirdly horny about 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.560 it because because the drive of hero worship specifically towards 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.680 politicians and political leaders like is not good. Like, there's 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.440 lots of other people who are putting their lives on 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.880 the line way more, but we default always too politicians 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.440 and political leaders, um and as and as as cool 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.000 as it maybe that he's sticking around like this is 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.000 a purposeful like like propaganda move like it and it's good, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.640 like it's it's it's very well done, but it does 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.440 have that dual purpose and and and I think part 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.199 of why one thing you have to clarify when we 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.000 talked about it is a propaganda move. Propaganda doesn't just 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.320 mean or even necessarily in a case like this, primarily 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.720 mean something directed outward. It's it's this. The thing that 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.159 I think is probably most successful about what Zelinski is 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.639 doing is that it's it's having and from everything I 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.879 can tell a significant morale impact on soldiers on the 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.400 ground just knowing that, like, well, they would probably feel 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.680 less bad about the fact that many of them are 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:45.320 going to die if the guy who was ostensibly leading 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.560 them was hiding in a mansion in Berlin or something, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.480 you know, um, which is understandable and and as a 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.760 as a military choice, as a tactical choice, is a 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.520 strategic choice is really more of a strategic than a 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.359 tactical choice. UM, I think you probably lee with what 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.159 Zelinski has done, get more people who are willing to 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.520 fight harder and do things like what what we're seeing 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.560 in um um Mariopol right now, where you've got the 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.640 entire city now surrounded and cut off by an overwhelming 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.080 number of Russian troops. And there's a pretty good chance 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.760 that every single Ukrainian soldier there, if they don't surrender, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.880 is going to die fighting along with a funckload of civilians. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.280 And maybe people wouldn't be willing to do that if 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.879 Zelinski had not made the example. And but that and 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.800 that that also the question that we cannot answer until 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.760 this is over is will that alter things? Has he 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.800 made a decision by getting by increasing you know, doing 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.600 these things that have improved fighting spirit so much? Is 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.600 that going to help Ukraine fight off this aggression or 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.280 is it just going to mean that when everything is settled, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.159 a hell of a lot more Ukrainians are dead and 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:51.800 we you don't know, this is not a kind of 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.719 thing you can condemn or applod it's a tactic, you know, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:57.560 and and it's not a tactic that we know the 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.600 efficacy of yet um from I guess from a moral level, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.680 I can applaud fighting for your homeland. I think that's 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.920 fighting for your homes against aggression is a good thing. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.560 But like as it does it, is it going to 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.199 work or is it just going to be more bodies 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.879 on the dirt? I don't know. Well, we need to 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.359 take a quick break and then we'll come back and 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:30.000 keep having this conversation together. Everything get back, And that's 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.320 what we are. We are politely respectfully. We are a 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.800 politely respectfully back So yeah, outside of you know, we've 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.879 we've I think discussed Zelinsky to the extent that is 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.879 useful for you. Just like keep the homosexual ship to yourself. Yeah, 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.720 and if he dies, it's fine to mourn him. It's 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.919 fine to like respect the choices he's making because I 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.600 think he's handling this as well as a wartime leader 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.320 possibly could, given everything he is capable of going and 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.160 everything that we know I don't actually have. Like, it's 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.159 fine to say that you don't. You don't need to 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.240 talk about him being hot. That's not helping, and it's 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.840 really basically disrespectful actually, and it's it starts intersecting with 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:18.600 like the fantasy Ukraine invasion film type idea. It's not 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.320 the numbers of people are going to die and have 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.920 died already, you know, it's it's it's not okay. I 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:28.919 wanted to respond to one thing that you had said 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.880 that we've been talking about right before the break, if 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.000 they should have surrendered or if they should surrender versus 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.240 how many people are going to die and making that decision. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.320 I think it's important to note that, like this is 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.560 this whole thing is so fucked because it's very clear 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.600 that even if they do surrender, there's nothing about this 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.200 that will be peaceful. People will continue to die, there 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:56.560 will be uprising, the gay people that will be massacred 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:01.280 with civilian The civilians are not going to stop making 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:06.840 Molotov cocktails. They're not gonna like just walk peacefully into this. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:13.600 So either way, this is unfathomable bloodshed. You know, this, 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.800 This is a situation a guy who's been handed a 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.800 nightmare and a country that's been handed a nightmare. And 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.280 there were a lot of points at which things could 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.200 have been done to stop what we're seeing right now 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.440 from happening um, beginning much further back than eight years ago, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.639 which is when the Russians invaded Ukraine initially, um, and 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.879 nothing was done. You know, nobody, nobody did anything, and 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.520 it's internationally nobody did anything. And if you want to 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.680 talk about like the moral culpability of the United States 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.440 or of NATO, it's in the fact that Putin number 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.399 one went up in charge at all, which had a 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.280 lot to do with US decisions that were made to 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.040 r e Boris yelts In. It's the fact that a 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.520 number of of Russian aggressive moves and backing of of 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.840 dictators in a variety of countries around the world, particularly 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.400 area where Russians tested weapons and tact experience, nothing was done. 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.960 Nothing was done about Czechnia when they leveled gros ni Um, 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.160