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Speaker 2: Oh, what's going on everybody? Is this the most interesting

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Speaker 2: be featured on Hard Knocks. Jared, I'm sure you're a well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're giddy about this excited.

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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. I think I think excited is one

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Speaker 1: of the adjectives that I would use. I think hopeful

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Speaker 1: and fearful are the other ones, the latter being the

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Speaker 1: one that's probably like if you had to like do

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Speaker 1: a pie chart of my emotions, hopeful and excited would

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Speaker 1: be like twenty or thirty percent. Ear Full would be

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Speaker 1: like seventy percent. So there's more fear, there's more just

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Speaker 1: the life of a Jets fan. As you know, mister

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Speaker 1: Dolphins fan over there, you're just waiting for that perpetual

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Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for championships. I'm waiting for when the

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Speaker 2: Streaks got a better shot this.

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Speaker 1: Year than we do, I think, I honestly, I honestly believe.

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Speaker 2: That as long as too close, it's close between these two.

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Speaker 2: But I was thinking about this, Jared is you can

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Speaker 2: make an argument the Jets are the most interesting team

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Speaker 2: in the league. Oh, absolutely right, because I look at it.

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Speaker 2: Think about it this way, at least at the beginning

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Speaker 2: in Week one? Which team are you watching? Are you

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Speaker 2: watching the contenders like the Bills, the Bengals, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: teams that might pop like Denver, Miami Dallas. Dallas is

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Speaker 2: always interesting. Or are you watching a team like the Jets.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching the Jets in Week one. I'm watching the

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Speaker 2: Jets over the Chiefs. I know what the Chiefs bring

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Speaker 2: to the table. I know the storylines. It's brand new

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Speaker 2: with the Jets with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Will it work? Will it not?

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Speaker 2: How does he look with the brand new team. I

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Speaker 2: think he could make a great case that the Jets

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Speaker 2: are the most compelling team in the entire league.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree that's why they're on Hard Knocks, and

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. All of it makes sense, Like the universe,

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Speaker 1: the stars aligned for this to happen. We will get

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Speaker 1: a very compelling look. And unfortunately I wish I watched

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Speaker 1: it last night. I just didn't have time. I did

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Speaker 1: not watch the first episode of Quarterback, which the reviews

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Speaker 1: so via. Granted, social media can be a little fickle sometimes,

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Speaker 1: the reaction, So there's two things. The reaction to the

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Speaker 1: Jets being announced on Hard Knocks by the Jets themselves

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Speaker 1: tells you everything you need to know about what's happening

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. It is pretty compelling. I'm sure, getting

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Speaker 1: and building around what is not obviously a quarterback of

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Speaker 1: think the other indicator was the fact that they signed

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Speaker 1: Quinn Williams this week, the day after Hard Knocks was announced.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it was a direct result. I

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Speaker 1: the Jets are on hard knocks. It was all about

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Speaker 1: Darrell Reevas's contract hold out, and if you look at

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Speaker 1: the Pro Football Focus data, Quinn Williams like a top

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Speaker 1: five defensive lineman in the league, not just like on

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're gonna if you're gonna sign one

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Speaker 3: Like in my mind, we're looking at some of this

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Speaker 3: it just sort of felt like housekeeping to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other part of this with the Quinn

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Speaker 2: the stat jared like you might want to close your

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Speaker 2: second contract with the Jets. It's terrible, like that's where

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Speaker 2: were we talking seven years? Seven drafts. You didn't have

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Speaker 2: you go through the names. Not all of them were busts.

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Speaker 1: Do we have to go every name? There's one more

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Speaker 1: So j just haven't had a great track record drafting quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: But now they did they draft David.

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Speaker 3: They got a guy now.

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Speaker 2: Now Aaron Rodgers not too hard knocks, you know, listen

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Speaker 2: to what Aaron Rodgers had to say about this.

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Speaker 4: One of the only things I like about Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 4: Here's the voice of Oh God who narrates it.

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Speaker 3: Leeve. I hope I get to meet him.

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Speaker 4: Look, you know, I understand the appeal with us obviously,

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Speaker 4: So they forced it down our throats and we gotta

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Speaker 2: H Yeah, I'm sure he will deal with it. It's

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Speaker 2: not like Rogers hates the camera on him. Let's be

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Speaker 3: This is a little odd. Actually, when I heard it,

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Speaker 3: I almost feel like this is the first time I've

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Speaker 3: like he's given you the God's honest truth, but I

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Speaker 3: sort of feel like this is a little bit more

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Speaker 3: as a culture, it's all too new to have cameras

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Speaker 3: close to twenty years now, maybe he's heard from other

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Speaker 3: players on other teams who have experienced hard knocks, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, this isn't good for you. You know, this

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Speaker 1: Rich do you think and again this is me just spitballing.

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Speaker 1: It's because he's so new with the team that he

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Speaker 1: the Voice of God and yeah, it's really cool. We

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Speaker 1: Like do you is it more of a Hey, let's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is. Look, Aaron Rodgers is calculated,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: You know you don't.

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Speaker 3: You don't last as long as you have in any

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Speaker 3: I'm positive as a matter of fact, he knew he

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Speaker 3: way over the course of your career, you it's kind

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Speaker 3: You know, you just start doing you start counting the steps.

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Speaker 3: I never had a Hard Knocks, you know season, that

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Speaker 3: there's a part of him that goes, you know what,

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Speaker 3: it's never happened. And I'm almost forty years old. So

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Speaker 3: the Leev Shreiber thing, I think he was serious about it.

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Speaker 3: There is something to it.

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Speaker 2: How about this too, where there's a suggestion about what

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Speaker 2: they should cover on Hard Knocks from our own Dan Patrick,

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Speaker 2: Now listen to this idea here.

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Speaker 3: I think Zach Wilson should be the focal point of

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Speaker 1: I love that irit You don't even have Rogers's tea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing about Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: It's the failed number two overall bick Zach Wilson like

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Speaker 1: A storyline though, but not like the vocal point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's talking about is Aaron Rodgers gonna help that.

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Speaker 1: I'm on the show.

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Speaker 8: nineteen ninety two. The Boston Red Sox hit six home

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Speaker 8: runs in an eight to three win over the Cubs

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Speaker 8: at Wrigley. The Red Sox on a six game winning streak.

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Speaker 8: Atlanta's Matt Olsen a first inning grand slam in their

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Speaker 8: nine nothing went over the White Sox and Lanta now

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Speaker 8: a major league best sixty one and twenty nine, and

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Speaker 8: they've homered in twenty seven consecutive games. The Dodgers, Julio

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Speaker 8: Urias and three relievers combined on a one hitter in

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Speaker 8: a six nothing win over the Mets at City Field.

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Speaker 8: The Dodgers on a five game winning streak, They've won

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Speaker 8: thirteen of eighteen, and Adam Fraser hit two home runs

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Speaker 8: and the Orioles a five to win over the Miami Marlins.

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Speaker 8: Baltimore on a six game winning streak. Fellas back to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I Lowe.

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Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: I do like the women's matchup right here. I like

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Speaker 2: the first name Ons, you know, yeah, you don't hear

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Speaker 2: that very often. Ons, Like, yeah, the names in tennis

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Speaker 2: are tough to say. Yeah, who says them a lot?

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Speaker 1: And I credit Isaac for crushing this this this update

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Speaker 1: with these names.

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Speaker 2: It's funny too, because sometimes you see the name and

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Speaker 2: you're like, ooh, I have no chance, and then you'll

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Speaker 2: hear it and you're like, that's actually not that hard.

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Speaker 1: Worry about that with us Jared Smith, Brian no Rich,

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Speaker 1: I guess Orenberger a little bit, but I think the

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Speaker 1: burger part of it makes it, you know, delicious appetizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love the men's final tomorrow man Carlos al Kiraz

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Speaker 2: and Novak Djokovic, Like Joker is probably gonna go down

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Speaker 2: as the goat when it's all said and done. He's

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Speaker 2: in position to do that. But what a final. And

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Speaker 2: how about the spygate storyline?

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Speaker 1: This, Oh that's nothing.

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Speaker 3: That was great though.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Al Karaz's father was filming Djokovic. Al Karaz is like,

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Speaker 2: I got all kinds of video on Djokovic, Like.

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Speaker 3: That's not gonna help me at all. But it was

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Speaker 3: like the run of the right. My dad's just a

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Speaker 3: fan pretty much. Can I your autograph, Novac?

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: By the way, what is baseball doing to switch gears

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Speaker 2: on you?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: Oh by the way, the twenty twenty four schedule was

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Speaker 2: released this week. I have no idea why they would

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Speaker 2: release the twenty twenty four schedule while they're playing the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three schedule.

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Speaker 3: That makes no sense to me.

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Speaker 2: And if you're gonna do it, have some hoopla, make

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Speaker 2: it an event. I know it's not gonna rival the NFL,

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Speaker 2: but goodness, it can't just be oh, by the way

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Speaker 2: we did this, you know what I mean. It can't

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Speaker 2: be oh by the way, the first round of the

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Speaker 2: draft is tonight, and oh by the way, we released

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Speaker 2: next year's schedule. It can't be like that. You've got

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Speaker 2: to stand out more. And they don't like, just look

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Speaker 2: at the NFL. The NFL will never release the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four schedule while they're playing the twenty twenty three schedule. No, No,

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Speaker 2: it's just so stupid to do.

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Speaker 3: It's well, here's the other thing. They did it on

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Speaker 3: a Friday.

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Speaker 1: News dumb Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm reading on the official MLB dot com

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Speaker 3: website articles being written by their paid writers to highlight

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Speaker 3: the importance of upcoming season and some of the things

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Speaker 3: that you're gonna want to look at, like Dodgers padres

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Speaker 3: opened the season in South Korea. Oh, there are other

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Speaker 3: countries hosting games next year too, Like you know, it's like, okay, yes,

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Speaker 3: all of that is exciting. But I do agree with you, Brian.

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Speaker 3: I think that what you should do, even if nobody

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Speaker 3: pays attention to it, it's still it's still the right

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Speaker 3: thing to do. You find a part of the calendar

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Speaker 3: where there's a dead time in sports where there's enough

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Speaker 3: time for fans to still plan, you know, their season

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Speaker 3: ticket packages around the travel that they may do or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and you announce it. You do it like it's it's

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Speaker 3: bonkers to me. It's almost like like like MLB treats

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Speaker 3: every upcoming season like they're planning a little kid's birthday party.

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Speaker 3: They're like, all right, do we got the balloons? Okay,

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Speaker 3: balloon's check done? Uh? What is it? Uh?

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Speaker 9: Schedule is the schedule done? The schedule's done for twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty four. Whoa, we're ahead of time. We're gonna have

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Speaker 9: to order the couple kick, but let's get a check.

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Speaker 9: Actually send that out today, but sir, it's Friday.

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Speaker 3: Nope, get it out because we're not sure if the

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Speaker 3: face painter is gonna show up, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: to deal with the scheduling. It's like, it's okay, great,

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Speaker 3: you got it done, but you sent it out not

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Speaker 3: only mid season, but you did it on a Friday,

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Speaker 3: where all of it's gonna be buried, nobody's gonna talk

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Speaker 3: about it, and then life moves on, not con concentrating

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Speaker 3: on baseball again, which has been sort of a common

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Speaker 3: theme for the past two and a half decades.

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Speaker 1: So impressed how much commitment Rich had to that bit,

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Speaker 1: all the way down to the face painter.

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Speaker 3: That was well, I think you could tell experience. I've

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Speaker 3: planned some birthday parties.

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Speaker 1: For kids Rich Rich going all the way back, full

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Speaker 1: full repressed anger for whatever whatever juggler or clown just

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Speaker 1: absolutely ruined his.

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Speaker 3: Do we have bumpers on the bowling lanes?

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Speaker 1: So I didn't even know the full schedule was released

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Speaker 1: until I saw it in the run down this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: last night would be no send it out, Like I

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Speaker 1: saw the Korea series tweet during one of my random

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Speaker 1: you know, Twitter dives last night and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's cool. They're playing in Korea, like a week before

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Speaker 1: the rest of the season starts, which I understand there's

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Speaker 1: a travel delay there, but I don't like. I never

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Speaker 1: like the like, let's start the season on May or

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Speaker 1: March twenty first, and then we'll start the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season a week later. Yeah, like that, just never.

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Speaker 1: And they've done it a couple times before, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it just feels kind of disjointed. I'm happy for,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of baseball fans in that part

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Speaker 1: of the world that are going to get to see

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Speaker 1: some pretty good baseball, but the timing of it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit wonky. And then you've got all these other

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Speaker 1: International Series games being played. I didn't even know that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing the Mets and the Phillies play in London,

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Speaker 1: Like that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, kind of a buried

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Speaker 1: underneath the massive other things happen, like it just you're

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Speaker 1: on a hundred percent right like this. This makes it If

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Speaker 1: the NFL is doing this, it would be written in

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Speaker 1: the sky. Oh you see it everywhere. You wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: able to go outside without seeing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing is I realized that the

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Speaker 2: NFL is way more popular than MLB. I get that,

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Speaker 2: But they're doing their part, you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 2: if the NFL puts the schedule out, it's gonna get

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Speaker 2: covered like crazy when MLB does, and it's not. But

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Speaker 2: the NFL is not putting out their schedule to Rich's

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Speaker 2: point on a Friday during the season, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. That's MLB not doing their part as far

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Speaker 2: as that goes. And I feel like it's time for

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Speaker 2: our weekly chat of it. Should Otani be traded? Ilo

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Speaker 2: mentioned it in his update he got pulled from a

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Speaker 2: third straight start with finger pain. The Angels have lost

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Speaker 2: six in a row. You know, I've gone back and

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Speaker 2: forth on this, and I would liken it to a

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Speaker 2: marriage proposal. Okay, you need to know that the answer

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Speaker 2: is yes before you propose. That's where we're at with

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Speaker 2: the Angels here, and the Angels are getting all these

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Speaker 2: warning signs that the answer is going to be no,

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Speaker 2: and they're holding out hope that maybe it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a yes, though I don't know right Like, you're getting

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Speaker 2: all these warning signs where at the All Star break

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Speaker 2: Otani said he's tired of losing and quote those feelings.

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Speaker 3: Get stronger year by year end.

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Speaker 2: Quote that is not a good sign, and is thinking

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Speaker 2: about running it back. Yeah, that's a huge clue. You've

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Speaker 2: gotta trade this guy. You gotta get something, because the

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Speaker 2: warning signs are there that he's not coming back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think they're gonna have trouble trade in him,

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Speaker 3: And it's I think it's the reason why we haven't heard,

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Speaker 3: you know too much about you know, major interests from

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Speaker 3: Team A or Team B, because I I just it's

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Speaker 3: gonna take such a halt to get him that I

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Speaker 3: don't know any team's really ready to pull the trigger.

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Speaker 3: And then on top of it, you're not only gonna

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Speaker 3: have to like completely dump out your farm system and

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Speaker 3: then some major league ready players at the league level,

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Speaker 3: but then on top of it, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: pay him something close to a billion dollars. Like, I

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna have a tough time, even if he's

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Speaker 3: saying that, I think they're gonna have a tough time

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Speaker 3: finding a trade partner in the first place. So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure they're phone's ringing, but I'm sure

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Speaker 3: there's been absolutely nothing that warrants them to, you know,

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Speaker 3: be motivated to send Otani away yet. And then on

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Speaker 3: the other side of that, like we discussed, if you're

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Speaker 3: the general manager who got nothing for Otani, that's bad.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, that's bad. But if you're the

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Speaker 3: general manager who trades him away for a package that

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Speaker 3: is embarrassing. After the next two seasons, three seasons, with

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Speaker 3: the way it's panning out for Otani with his new team,

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Speaker 3: well that's even worse. So I do think that there's

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Speaker 3: a little bit of job security, even though it's not

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Speaker 3: openly being discussed, because you don't want your general manager

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Speaker 3: worrying about his job security when he's making decisions for

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Speaker 3: the betterment of your team. But I'm fairly certain that

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Speaker 3: the president of baseball operations level and the general manager

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Speaker 3: level with the Angels, I'm pretty sure that conversation is

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Speaker 3: being had. But yeah, getting back to just baseball and

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Speaker 3: in general, how poorly they handle their publicity. Like, I

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Speaker 3: just sort of feel like this sport is fun, it's feeling,

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Speaker 3: it's feeling newer, the pitch clock changes they're working, these

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Speaker 3: games are way shorter than they used to be there's

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Speaker 3: more action on the base path, like they've done some

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Speaker 3: things that have worked, and instead of like having articles

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Speaker 3: written about hey, fans are really responding well to the

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Speaker 3: new rule changes. It's hey. By the way, we're just

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Speaker 3: gonna sneak this in on July the fourteenth, right before

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Speaker 3: a weekend. Here's our twenty twenty four season. Don't tell anyone.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of things. First of all, to Rich's

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Speaker 1: point about baseball being more exciting, and this is I

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Speaker 1: just I was looking up these numbers last night, just

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Speaker 1: to try to get ahead of what been a fun

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Speaker 1: first half. Scoring's up six percent, home runs are up

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Speaker 1: eight percent, Stolen bases are up forty one percent. Batting

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Speaker 1: average up six points first half twenty twenty three year

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Speaker 1: over year, first half twenty twenty two. The game's more exciting.

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Speaker 1: There's more there's more scoring, there's more home runs, there's

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Speaker 1: more s solar bases all across the board. So baseball's

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Speaker 1: winning that battle, maybe losing a little more in the

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Speaker 1: pr battle to the Otani stuff. Let's read between the

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Speaker 1: lines of what John Morosi tweeted out yesterday, as I

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Speaker 1: reported on MOB Network, sources tell me Angels front office

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Speaker 1: consider incoming trade inquiries, the club not ruling out the possibility,

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Speaker 1: even though the standard is extremely high. Obviously the stand

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00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: just extremely high. The team's performance over the upcoming home

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Speaker 1: stand will be a big consideration. Well, didn't start out

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Speaker 1: well last night. Oh Tani left the game with a

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Speaker 1: blister again and they lost. So I really think he

648
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Speaker 1: like if I was a businessman and there were no

649
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Speaker 1: humans or rabid fan bases involved with this decision. It's

650
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Speaker 1: a business decision. You trade him. You're not gonna keep him.

651
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: He told you during the All Star break he's not staying.

652
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: He read between the lines of that, You're not keeping him.

653
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Speaker 1: So your choice is do you enjoy the last few

654
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Speaker 1: months of what is a sinking ship. Maybe he breaks

655
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Speaker 1: the home run record, you sell some tickets, whatever, or

656
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Speaker 1: do you try to get the best return. I think

657
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: the Yankees make a ton of sense. I honestly do.

658
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Speaker 1: I think the Padres makes sense. I think if you

659
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Speaker 1: go back and see the success Japanese players have had

660
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: in New York, it also makes sense. Masahiro Tanaka had

661
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Speaker 1: an incredibly productive career in the Bronx and the Deki

662
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: Matsui won the World Series MVP the last time the

663
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: Yankees won the World Series. So I know he doesn't

664
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Speaker 1: want to be far from home, but New York makes sense.

665
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Speaker 1: That is I think I heard one one of the promos.

666
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Speaker 1: That's the biggest stage in baseball, and he is the

667
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Speaker 1: best player of our generation, maybe of all time. You

668
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: put him on that stage and you see what happens.

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Speaker 1: And if you're the Steinbrenner family, they've been very frugal

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Speaker 1: over the last decade or so with their spending. Now's

671
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Speaker 1: the time to bust open the penny bank to go

672
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Speaker 1: get the best player in our generation. Go get them

673
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Speaker 1: and see what happens. Because that Yankees team and I'm

674
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Speaker 1: a fan, so I watch it closely. They're a snooze

675
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Speaker 1: fest this year. They need something like this to happen.

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Speaker 2: That is the voice of Jared Smith over there. FSR

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Speaker 2: betting analyst Rich Ornberger with US Penn State All American.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian No coming up next. Is this a blessing

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Speaker 2: in disguise or the beginning of the end. It's Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday Live on the tire rack dot Com studios

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Speaker 2: here on Fox Sports Radio. So Kyler Murray, Cardinals quarterback.

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Speaker 2: He made a statement that caught some attention over here.

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Speaker 2: So this is during a Cardinals episode. It's called Cardinals

685
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Speaker 2: Flight Plan. It's on their YouTube channel. It's funny because

686
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: side note, all these teams are like, no, not hard knocks,

687
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Speaker 2: yet they produce their own like documentary whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's all in house.

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Speaker 2: But Kyler Murray was talking about the organization and some

690
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Speaker 2: of the changes they've made upstairs, new head coach, new

691
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Speaker 2: GM and he's feeling like, hey, they're on the right track.

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Speaker 2: And he said, the way we're going, the way I

693
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Speaker 2: feel personally, the sky is the limit. And it just

694
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Speaker 2: got me thinking because you had Kyler Murray. He had

695
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Speaker 2: surgery ACL surgery on January third, so we don't know

696
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Speaker 2: when he's going to be healthy. He's targeting week one,

697
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: that is aggressive. It's probably gonna be sometime during this

698
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Speaker 2: season that he's back. And so I just started thinking

699
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Speaker 2: about this, is this the beginning of the end of

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray in Arizona or could this knee injury be

701
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Speaker 2: a bit of a blessing in disguise, Because on the

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Speaker 2: positive note, when you're injured, you feel helpless, and maybe

703
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Speaker 2: this sparks Kyler Murray that being more of a grinder.

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Speaker 2: That's been the question mark before. Is this guy, from

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Speaker 2: a leadership standpoint, doing all that he should? From a

706
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Speaker 2: training and preparation standpoint, is he doing all he should?

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Speaker 2: Maybe that does change his approach. But the Arizona Cardinals

708
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: are going to be awful this year, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how you bypass one of the top two quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: in the draft.

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Speaker 3: If that's where you.

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Speaker 2: Are, Yeah, that's almost surely where they're gonna be when

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Speaker 2: it's all said and done.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the only hope is that Kyler Murray comes

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Speaker 3: back from this knee injury like there was no bump

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Speaker 3: in the road and proves all the things you just said,

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Speaker 3: Like you know, he's been humbled by the injury. He's

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Speaker 3: a better leader on the other side of it, realizes

719
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Speaker 3: how much help he needed on the path to recovering

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Speaker 3: from his first, I assume his first major injury of

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Speaker 3: his athletic career. Also, Jonathan Gannon and some of the

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00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: other Cardinals players went down to the University of Oklahoma

723
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Speaker 3: to see his statue unveiled for winning the Heisman, and

724
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Speaker 3: he said that was meaningful, meaningful to him. So maybe

725
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Speaker 3: there's a culture being built behind the scenes in Arizona

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Speaker 3: that we're unaware of because we're not seeing it except

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Speaker 3: for whatever they publicize on their social media or on

728
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Speaker 3: this insight that they're giving you through their video cameras.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. I mean, I think they're gonna

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Speaker 3: be bad, but I know they're gonna They're only gonna

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Speaker 3: go as far as Kyler Murray takes them, so it's

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Speaker 3: the best they can do right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he won't play. I don't think I'll play much

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Speaker 1: this year, is my guest, and he has to see

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Speaker 1: the writing on the wall that they're obviously tanking. Try

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Speaker 1: to get one of these quarterbacks next year. If I'm

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, yeah, I'm reusing this injury to recalibrate and

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Speaker 1: refocus and use it as a blessing in disguise. But

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Speaker 1: I'm also worried about the future and where I'm going next,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know if it's gonna be Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, come it up next. Can players be

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Speaker 2: coached hard anymore? I don't really want to talk about it,

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Speaker 2: but we need to. That is on the way we

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Speaker 2: being in school, right. And I don't know about you guys,

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Speaker 2: but I'm a procrastinator. I'm a productive procrastinator where if

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Speaker 2: I have a task I need to do, I'll just

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Speaker 2: do other tasks and put off the one that I.

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Speaker 3: Really need to do, so I'm productive rich.

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Speaker 2: It's just I'm not doing what I actually need to do.

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought about with this subject about Northwestern

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Speaker 2: you know where it's like I don't really want to talk,

757
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: but it's important to talk about because you had two

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Speaker 2: coaches get fired this week. You had the head football coach,

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Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald, he got fired, and you had the head

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Speaker 2: baseball coach, Jim Foster, he got run as well. Now

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Speaker 2: with Jim Foster, it was allegations of bullying. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that in a bit. The big fish was Pat Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 2: So he started as a linebacker. He had been there

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Speaker 2: for the better part of two decades and he is

765
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Speaker 2: Northwestern like, he's the main guy. Any success that they've had,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty much tied to Pat Fitzgerald. But there was

767
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Speaker 2: hazing going on within the program, some of it was

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Speaker 2: sexual in nature. He was initially suspended for two weeks

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Speaker 2: without pay, and then it escalated to where the president,

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Speaker 2: Michael Schill, reversed his course and he fires Pat Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 2: After there was some new details to come out. There

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Speaker 2: was another report published and the timeline was so weird,

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Speaker 2: is what I take away from this. How do you

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Speaker 2: go from two weeks without pay.

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Speaker 3: To being fired?

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00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: That's like getting grounded for two weeks and then your

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00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: parents saying no, by the way, we're taking your car

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Speaker 2: away and you're like, what my car? Like, how am

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Speaker 2: I gonna get to? We don't know, no car? Right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you go from two weeks to fire.

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Speaker 2: That's embarrassing, And this whole situation is completely embarrassing for

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Speaker 2: Northwestern as a whole.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can see it, and I can see from

784
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Speaker 3: this standpoint because we've seen it before and we know

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Speaker 3: exactly how these conversations go down, or we can estimate

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Speaker 3: how they go down. You know, all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: a university president gets word of these allegations, or an

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Speaker 3: athletic director gets word of these allegations. And as important

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Speaker 3: of a person as Pat Fitzgerald is to Northwestern, couldn't

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Speaker 3: we argue that Joe Paterno was more of an institution

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Speaker 3: at Penn State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: When when when you're when you're talking about protecting children,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I'm not talking about

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Speaker 3: these being similar circumstances, but in the in this in

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Speaker 3: the in the in the same sense of if I'm

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Speaker 3: a parent and I'm handing over my kids to a university,

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Speaker 3: Like say I have a son who plays football, I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: all right, I'm handing them over to you. You're his coach.

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Speaker 3: I know that doesn't mean that you're going to be

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Speaker 3: his parent, but I'm trusting this football program to help

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Speaker 3: provide overall, because if we're going to believe in the

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Speaker 3: university system an educational experience for my child, And so

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Speaker 3: I hand off my kid and even though they're consenting adult,

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Speaker 3: you know, eighteen years old, you know, could fight in war,

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Speaker 3: could go buy cigarettes, could you know, do a lot

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Speaker 3: of things at that age. In this country, the thought process,

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Speaker 3: the hope is that he's going to go somewhere safe.

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Speaker 3: And so the argument against obviously what happened at Northwestern

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Speaker 3: was this hazing situation with the Northwestern football team and

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Speaker 3: the culture that was built around hazing and whatever personal

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Speaker 3: accountability or whatever positives I guess they thought were derived

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Speaker 3: from this is what these young players were exposed to.

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Speaker 3: And so I think this this athletic department went all right, well,

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Speaker 3: we got to suspend you for two weeks, but Pat,

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Speaker 3: if this gets worse, like if more comes out, or

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Speaker 3: if like or if we find out you were further

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Speaker 3: involved than you're telling us, well then this is going

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Speaker 3: to be a steeper punishment. And maybe that was even

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Speaker 3: it didn't even need to be said. You know, from

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Speaker 3: a public relations standpoints, we know how these things work,

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Speaker 3: and so that's the reason why it escalated so quickly.

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Speaker 1: I love the way that you framed it, Rich. I

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Speaker 1: agree one hundred percent. That's to me. That's why the

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Speaker 1: timeline felt wonky is because we probably weren't privy to

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Speaker 1: that discussion where Pat was in the room with the

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Speaker 1: AD and you know, the administrators, and he was telling

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Speaker 1: his side of the story. There was obviously an investigation

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Speaker 1: that took place prior to and by the way, student

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Speaker 1: run journalism, The Daily Northwestern broke well story, fantastic feather

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Speaker 1: in the cap of the journalism world. As someone who

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Speaker 1: used to work in Penn State's journalism department, I cannot

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Speaker 1: imagine the pressure on that group of students to break

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Speaker 1: this story, considering they are as close to the football program,

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Speaker 1: not only by proximity, but you would imagine by emotional

836
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Speaker 1: feeling as well. I mean, they are literally not burying,

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Speaker 1: but you know, putting their own team in a very

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00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: difficult spot. And they went through with the story anyway,

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Speaker 1: because that's what journalism is all about. But the enabling

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Speaker 1: that goes on, that went on inside and Richard, you

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Speaker 1: and I very close to this. We both were in

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Speaker 1: the building.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: You were in the building I was in on campus

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Speaker 1: when all of the Sandusky stuff was happening, and Joe

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Speaker 1: pot and a lot of other people look the other way,

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Speaker 1: and I think Pat probably looked the other way in

848
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Speaker 1: a lot of these scenarios. Obviously that it's apples to

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Speaker 1: oranges in terms of what was happening, but there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of looking the other way. This is good

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Speaker 1: for the team, this is what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a captain thing. Maybe maybe Pat wasn't

853
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Speaker 1: the one that started it and created this culture, but

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Speaker 1: there's no way that this was happening and he didn't

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Speaker 1: know about it, Like come on, like, these kids can't

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Speaker 1: go to class, they can't do anything without the head

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Speaker 1: coach and the team knowing where they are and what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. So Pat knew he looked the other way

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Speaker 1: because it was quote unquote good for the team. And now, unfortunately,

860
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: this is kind of the bed he made, and I'm

861
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: assuming he probably covered not covered up, but probably misled

862
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: the administrative department in his interview with them about this investigation,

863
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: probably glossed over some details telling him how much I

864
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: really knew. But once the truth really came out, the

865
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: judgment was very swift.

866
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is, let me make be very clear.

867
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald has to know it's Josh know, like he

868
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: has to like it's not good enough to be like

869
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: I didn't know about that, Like that's no, that's not

870
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: gonna work, especially if the hazing is sexual in nature.

871
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: That's just not gonna fly in this day and age,

872
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: nor should it. That's the first part. But the timeline

873
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: I can't get over it. Where you go from a

874
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: two week suspension without pay and the president immediately coming

875
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: out and saying I kind of regret that decision. It's like, well,

876
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: then why did you make that decision? You're you're either

877
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: caving to public pressure.

878
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: Yep, that's it.

879
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 2: You're either bad at gathering all the information before making

880
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: a judge.

881
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: Would be that, right, there's a lot you want to

882
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 3: take it off.

883
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff here that points to this

884
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: president Michael Shill is bad at his job. Okay, Like

885
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: that's the bottom line here. So the the timeline is wonky,

886
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: and the whole storyline is is is bad.

887
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: It's disappointing. Yeah, let me really disappointing.

888
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: Let me hit you with this though. As disappointing as

889
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: this is, and I agree with everything that I read about,

890
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: and I'm really hoping, you know, I don't want I'm

891
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: not hoping that anybody's lying and anybody lost their job

892
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: because of a lie, because it definitely sounds like this

893
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: this happened, or some version of this happened, and it's awful.

894
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: But I I but I I kind of hope it is,

895
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: you know, almost like a figment of somebody's over exaggerated memory.

896
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: Because there's a such thing as good hazing too. And

897
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 3: and I know this is a really like especially right now.

898
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be insensitive to anybody who is

899
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 3: hurt or traumatized over the course of time at Northwestern.

900
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: But but I made this comparison on Twitter. Hazing is

901
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: like alcohol. You know, if you prohibit it completely, I

902
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: don't think that's good. I also think if you abuse it,

903
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 3: it can be awful, right, you know, So there is

904
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: a happy medium here. And and it's poison. Don't get

905
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: me wrong. I mean you are playing with fire. But

906
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: you know what fire is another good example. As bad

907
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: as fire is fire bad fire burned down home. Also,

908
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: we cook our meat with fire.

909
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: Don't wait, we heat our homes.

910
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we heat our homes to fire, like you know.

911
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: So there with anything that can be dangerous to you,

912
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm not anything, right, But but with things that can

913
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: be dangerous to you, they can also benefit you. Like

914
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: with alcohol, I mean, maybe a couple of drinks at

915
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: a bar led you to meeting a woman who you

916
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: finally were able to work up the courage to speak to.

917
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 3: And then fast forward ten years later, you're happily married

918
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: and you have a family, and it was all because

919
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: you had a couple of SIPs of the liquid courage

920
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 3: and you walked over there hazing. I kind of feel

921
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: about like the same way about it, you know. Okay,

922
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: So you join a new program, and the veterans with

923
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: the squad, whether it be the police force, the fire department,

924
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: the football team, the military, whatever it may be, they're

925
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: not so sure if they could trust the rookies. So

926
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 3: you do a little bit of a purity test. Hey, rookie,

927
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 3: whole heads, Hey rookie, you're getting breakfast for the whole

928
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: offensive line this weekend. Hey rookie, you know, you guys

929
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: are gonna get in front of the room and you're

930
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 3: gonna sing and dancing, make complete fools of yourself, just

931
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: like we have and every other generation who's come through

932
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 3: this football program has, and we're going to we're gonna

933
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: laugh at you, but together as a group, you're gonna

934
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 3: get stronger, and then you're gonna pass our purity test,

935
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: so we know we can trust you and we can

936
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: build a culture of accountability. So yes, if you overdo

937
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: alcohol even one time, it could be detrimental to your life.

938
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 3: Moving forward, same with hazing, but there's also a lot

939
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: of positivity that could come out of it.

940
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best comparison I think I've ever heard

941
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: about this story. Rich Honestly, I didn't see your tweet

942
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: about the the the alcohol comparison. But when I'm gonna

943
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: go back and look and I'm gonna retweet it because

944
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: it's it's so. I was in a frat at at

945
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: Penn State. Shout out Penn State API. I was hazed

946
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: pretty hard, and those guys are some of my best

947
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: friends today. The stuff that I'm reading about in the

948
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: Daily Northwestern about what went on behind the scenes in

949
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: their locker room pales pales in comparison. Like I honestly,

950
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: or let me rephrase, the stuff that I was put through,

951
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: it's like child's play compared to that. Like it was,

952
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: there was some intense stuff, a lot of little physical,

953
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, physical push ups and getting streamed, doing skits

954
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: and making fools of ourselves and staying up late and

955
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: cleaning the house and making sure giving rides to people

956
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: and doing a lot of you know, I would say, administrative,

957
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: mundane stuff, and it brought me closer to the people

958
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: that I pledged with Those are my best friends. They

959
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: stood up at my wedding. They are people that I

960
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: travel across the country to go visit now. And it's

961
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: because of that camaraderie that you gain. But when we

962
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: all gasped at the stuff that was going on in

963
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: the Northwestern locker room, considering what we went through together,

964
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: and obviously we shared the story. We're all Penn State

965
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: football fans. It's a big story in the Big Ten

966
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: and nationally. It really does put it in perspective, and

967
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things you could do to build

968
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: a team culture. And then I think there's a line,

969
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: just like alcohol, where if you cross it, bad things

970
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: will happen. Nothing good ever, happens from drinking too much.

971
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 1: Nothing ever. Well, so it's that's a really really good

972
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: way to put it in perspective. And I hope that

973
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: if there's anything positive that comes from this story, it's

974
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: that maybe there is a line that just was crossed

975
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: here that we need to be better about staying within

976
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: those boundaries.

977
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: Well, real fast, there's another line and another aspect to

978
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: the Northwestern story as a whole. It's more so with

979
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: the baseball coach. Yeah, so Jim Foster, he gets fired

980
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: he was accused of like bullying. And that's what I

981
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: really took away is can you coach players hard in

982
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: this day and age, like really, like think about this

983
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: for a second, because again, there is a line there.

984
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: When I go back and I think about coaches, may

985
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: coaches aren't always with their arm around your shoulders saying

986
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: all right, now, here's what's going on here, and here's

987
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: what you gotta look at. Sometimes they are dog cussing

988
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: you and and that's the way coaching is sometimes. And

989
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: so there's a line. Where is that line? Because if

990
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 2: I'm a coach and I hear this some guy got

991
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: ousted because of bullying allegations, I start thinking about myself off,

992
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 2: like could any of my players accuse me of bullying?

993
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just trying to coach them hard and

994
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. Tom Izzo, Michigan State head basketball coach.

995
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: He made a joke about this with Dan Patrick a

996
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: little while ago.

997
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: I don't yell anymore. That's illegal. Now you'll get lawyers

998
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: that sue you for players.

999
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 7: You don't understand the new rules.

1000
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: Dan, We just tell him, would you please got somebody,

1001
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: would you.

1002
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 7: Please pass it to the right guy?

1003
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: He's making a joke, but there's some seriousness involved there,

1004
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: and so that that'd be the question for me. Certainly,

1005
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: you can coach guys hard, but it's got to be

1006
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: done with respect, and that's not the easiest thing to

1007
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: figure out where that line is. We all know what's

1008
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: completely over the top, and you know, you can't be

1009
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: physically abusive and things like that. But I think there

1010
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: are a lot of coaches around the country that do

1011
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: a diagnostic check on themselves and think, Man, could any

1012
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: of my coaches accuse me of bullying because I'm just

1013
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: trying to coach them hard, but could something be misconstrued?

1014
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: There is absolutely a line as far as that goes

1015
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: in this day and age now, because you could have

1016
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 2: a few players that accuse you of bullying, and there

1017
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: are some administrations that say, well, he's out of here,

1018
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: get him out, you know. So it's something that you

1019
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: gotta be ultra aware of.

1020
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about it. Look, I've been

1021
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 3: hard coach my whole career. I had hard high school coaches,

1022
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: I had hard college coaches. I had hard pro coaches,

1023
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 3: not all of them, but the majority of them. You know,

1024
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 3: they were tough they were tough guys. They're hard nosed coaches.

1025
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 3: A couple of them got physical with me at different times. Wow, yeah,

1026
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: I mean, and you know, here's the reality of the situation.

1027
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: I looked at myself when I was playing football almost

1028
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 3: as the mission, Like I almost kind of forgot about

1029
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: me and I was thinking about the task. It's just

1030
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: a to B. How do we get to be? We're

1031
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: at a we're trying to get to be, whether it's

1032
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: the end zone, or it's a successful play, or even

1033
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: just a successful first step out of my stance. Whatever

1034
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 3: the goal is, I want to get there, and however

1035
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: we get there, no apologies needed. I just need to

1036
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: get there. So I remember one time coming off the

1037
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: field in college and I had an offensive line coach

1038
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 3: who was all pissed off at me because I jumped

1039
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: off the side at the goal line. And I'm on

1040
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: the exercise bike on the sideline trying to get my

1041
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: head straight. I'm just like, what the hell is the

1042
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: matter with me? And I'm swimming in my own thoughts,

1043
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: and he walked up to me. He shouts hey, and

1044
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 3: I look up, and as soon as I looked up,

1045
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: Whack slaps me clean across the face. Wow, and he's

1046
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: looking at me and he at first he looked angry,

1047
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: and then his face softened and he goes, are you

1048
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: all right? And I go, yeah, I'm good, and he

1049
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 3: smiled and he gave me kind of like a pat

1050
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: behind the neck. He goes, you're gonna be all right,

1051
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 3: and he walked away from me. And you want to

1052
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: hear something crazy, That's exactly what I needed. It's whatever

1053
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 3: funk I was in whatever, you know, negative cycle of thoughts,

1054
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 3: you know those negative cycles you get into sometimes. That

1055
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: broke it. It was sobering. It was like a splash

1056
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: of cold water. Maybe he could have splashed cold water

1057
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: in my face. I don't know, but the slap worked.

1058
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: And again, like I said, A to B, how do

1059
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: I get from point A to point B? No apologies needed.

1060
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm just happy I got better and guess what, I

1061
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: ended up playing a great game after that. Am I

1062
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: crediting the fact that I was assaulted? No, not necessarily,

1063
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: Like I said, there could have been a couple of

1064
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: different ways to achieve that, but that's the way he

1065
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 3: thought of and it was successful. And so I'm not

1066
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 3: going to go back and be like I was abused.

1067
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm sorry. It happened, it worked, and I

1068
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: moved on with my life.

1069
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: But now everybody does. That's the whole point. There are

1070
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: a lot of players that would do the opposite, and

1071
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: if they blow the whistle on you, you're out of

1072
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Speaker 2: a gig.

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Speaker 1: If you would have blown the whistle on that, now,

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00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: it's a different culture today. I think that's important. We

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00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: live in a very different victim culture today than we

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00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: did twenty years ago. And I think if you would

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00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: have blown the whistle today rich on that coach, he

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00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: probably gets fired. So the only actual relatable experience I

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Speaker 1: can draw from this, I played high school football. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's a surprise some people. Maybe I was actually pretty

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00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: decent at I was so I was a quarterback. I

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00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be a quarterback, but I was as you

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00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: guys know me, and for those who've never seen me

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00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: in person or met me in person, I'm not the

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00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: prototypical quarterback's body, little chunk ear, little half gar. But

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00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: I could throw it a country mile. And my coach

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: recognized that and he allowed me to try out and

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Speaker 1: play the position. And then this was so I played

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00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: my freshman year. I didn't play and then my sophomore year,

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Speaker 1: I worked out heading into that campaign and we had

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: conditioning drills before the season started, and the quarterbacks and

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00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: the skill position players had to do a much more

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00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: stringent conditioning program than the offensive lineman and the defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman did. And I was struggling a little bit with that,

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Speaker 1: and my coach says, if your fat, you know what,

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00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: does not finish this, you're moving back to the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And guess what I did. Oh boy, I finished it.

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: And I've struggled with my weight over the year. So

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Speaker 1: being ridiculed about it was not something I enjoyed, but

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Speaker 1: that motivated me pretty well. So I think there's a

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Speaker 1: button for everyone. It's just the best coaches have to

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Speaker 1: know how to push them. Now, you've got to push

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00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: them a little more respectfully than you did twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: forty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we're at right now. We've got Rich Hornberger,

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Speaker 2: Penn State All American. Jared Smith is with this FSR

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Speaker 2: betting analyst on Brian No coming up next, punished going

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Speaker 2: forward not backwards. We'll have some details on that for you.

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Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Oh welcome back in.

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Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday Live from the tireq dot com

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Speaker 2: save at Progressive dot Com. So the Tennessee football program,

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01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: the headline doesn't even sound real.

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Speaker 3: It is so crazy.

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Speaker 2: Here's the headline. Tennessee avoids a ball ban as NCAA

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Speaker 2: finds more than two hundred violations.

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Speaker 3: That's over a three year span.

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Speaker 2: So they're paying players is before nil and so they

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Speaker 2: get dinged. So it's five years probation. It's an eight

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Speaker 2: million dollar fine. Now this is significant. Twenty eight scholarships

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Speaker 2: are reduced.

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Speaker 3: That matters that big. That's huge.

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Speaker 2: But the bullban, you have over two hundred violations and

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Speaker 2: no ball ban really. Now, now here's the other aspect

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Speaker 2: of it. There were sixteen sanctioned players, so all of

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Speaker 2: the wins when Tennessee was using any of those players

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Speaker 2: will be vacated.

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Speaker 3: I hate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you punish going forward, you don't

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Speaker 2: try to rewrite history. And the way I would compare

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Speaker 2: it is if I'm speeding, Okay, I'm on the highway.

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Speaker 2: I'm speeding right now, and I cause an accident based

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Speaker 2: on my speeding, you can't pretend that because I was

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Speaker 2: doing something illegal, that we're just going.

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Speaker 3: To rewrite history.

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't plow into somebody else, the other car

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: didn't get t bone. None of that happened because I

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01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: was doing something illegal, Right you understand. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's the greatest comparison, but if you're using a

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01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: player that you shouldn't be using, I would rather you

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01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: punish a program going forward than try to rewrite history

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01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: and pretend that things that happened actually didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: That makes zero sense to me. Oh, completely agreed, Completely agreed. Like,

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Speaker 3: let's put it this way. Say you're, I don't know

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01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: a stock firm day trader, and you know, if it

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01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 3: comes to pass that your firm was, you know, breaking

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01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: FCC laws, right, you know? Actually is that they're No,

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01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: it's the sec the securities exchange. Like you're you're you're

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01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: in trouble with the feds. The firm gets busted up,

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01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: it's like trying to say, like, hey, all of those

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Speaker 3: lavish yacht parties that you and your other you know,

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01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: Wall Street buddies, we were throwing like Wolf of Wall

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Speaker 3: Street style, right like we're we're gonna we're gonna go back,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna tell you that those times weren't actually fun,

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Speaker 3: that you didn't have fun like that the the drugs

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Speaker 3: and the sex and alcohol, all that didn't happen. Okay, No,

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Speaker 3: it's like that's not how life works. Like you spent

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Speaker 3: that money, you had that fun, you enjoyed those times,

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately you did it at the cost of innocent

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Speaker 3: people's money, you know, breaking fiduciary trust. Like if we're

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Speaker 3: gonna spin it back to football, like those wins and

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01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: those celebrations and those bowl games and ball visits and

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Speaker 3: you know, potentially conference championships and all that's that happened.

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Speaker 3: That happened. There's no going back and just saying no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: that didn't happen. And here's why. It's because we're mad.

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01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: It's like, no, no, you can punish the firm, that

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 3: stock firm moving forward. You can hit them with hefty fines.

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: You could take everybody. Series seven's license away. You could

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01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: do you could do a lot of things moving forward

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01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: that makes life a lot more difficult for the people

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Speaker 3: who are responsible. But you can't go back in time

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Speaker 3: and pretend like the good times didn't roll because guess

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Speaker 3: what they did. The NCAA didn't catch them, then they

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Speaker 3: caught them now. So moving forward, like you just said, Brian,

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Speaker 3: like you just kind of have to punish them moving forward.

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Speaker 3: You can't go back and strip wins. Those wins happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if I want to use like a

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Speaker 1: weird another weird metaphor, but I kind of I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's the theme of this segment for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: It's like kind of when it like you're looking at

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Speaker 1: one of your old textbooks that you went to school

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Speaker 1: with and you're reading a segment about you know, a

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Speaker 1: page about American history or whatever the textbook's about, and

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Speaker 1: then someone wrote about it, like someone like script, like

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Speaker 1: the previous person who had your textbook that you borrowed,

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Speaker 1: like wrote like annotations on the actual page on what

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Speaker 1: they think or whatever. Like it's just you don't really

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Speaker 1: know what to believe. It's it's a very strange scenario

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Speaker 1: to try to erase history that happened. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can. And I think in this case, the most

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Speaker 1: impactful part of this story to me is absolutely the scholarships.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's the only thing that's going to matter

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Speaker 1: in the next five years, and that's I don't know

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Speaker 1: how deep the rabbit hole goes with how bad some

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Speaker 1: of these transgressions were. The ball stuff, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know they can't play in the tax Layer Bowl,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, you know, no big deal, or they

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Speaker 1: can okay, all right, no big deal. To me, the

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Speaker 1: scholarships are really what's going to shape the next five

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Speaker 1: years of this program because this program was kind of

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Speaker 1: on the upswing. I would say, Josh Eipel is doing

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Speaker 1: a really good job, and you know they had a

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Speaker 1: Heisman candidate last year under center. So I think this

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Speaker 1: is a very interesting headline because of how many infractions

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Speaker 1: there were. But at the end of the day, if

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Speaker 1: you read the fine print, and I had to go

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Speaker 1: I'm on the NCAA's website right now, and I had

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Speaker 1: to go all the way down to almost the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the page to see the penalties, and the second

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Speaker 1: penalty was the reduction in football scholarships. To me, that

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Speaker 1: stands out a lot because that's how they get these

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Speaker 1: guys to come. And I'm assuming the nil situation for

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Speaker 1: them will also be heavily regulated going forward, and that,

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Speaker 1: based off of the current climate that we're in with

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Speaker 1: college football, will also have a big impact on the

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Speaker 1: type of player they can bring to that program.

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Speaker 2: You know, speaking of big impact, you want to talk

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Speaker 2: about a man who doesn't know how to make a

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Speaker 2: small impact? True, that would be one Isaac Loewenkron, who's

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Speaker 2: got the latest what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: I love especially when we have the latest like this.

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Speaker 8: Just moments ago fellas the Ladies singles final at Wimbledon

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Speaker 8: came to an end. Here's how it sounded on radio, Wimbledon.

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Speaker 11: Championship point for the world number forty two, down the center,

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Speaker 11: the backhand return just about clear Thanet Jabert with the

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Speaker 11: attective pass. It's a volley winner. Vamar Katsavon Drusiva. It's

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Speaker 11: a stunning achievement. The first unseated woman to win the

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Speaker 11: Wimberland title.

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Speaker 3: What a story.

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Speaker 11: This time last year she was watching the Championships here

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Speaker 11: in London with a cast on a wrist, perhaps doubt

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Speaker 11: sing whether she'd ever get back to the top of

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Speaker 11: the game. Twelve months old, she has won the biggest

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Speaker 11: title in the game.

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Speaker 8: Truly incredible. The unseated Marquette van Drusivo winning in straight

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Speaker 8: sets over six seed as Jabor six ' four six ' four. Well, guys,

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Speaker 8: looks like ons was off.

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Speaker 3: Did you just take off sunglasses or put them on

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Speaker 3: when you said that?

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Speaker 8: Do you have a camera in here? Because that's precisely

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Speaker 8: couldn't resist. I'll see myself out anyway. In Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 8: on Friday night, the Houston Astros defeated the Angels at

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Speaker 8: Anaheim seven to five. The Angels on a six game

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Speaker 8: losing streak. Show Hey Otani was pulled from the mound

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Speaker 8: because of fingerpaint. For a third straight start. In Denver,

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Speaker 8: the Rockies beat the Yankees seven to two. This is

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Speaker 8: the latest in a season the Yankees have been tied

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Speaker 8: for last place since nineteen ninety two. The Red Sox

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Speaker 8: at six home runs and an eight to three win

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Speaker 8: over the Cubs at Wrigley, Boston on a six game

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Speaker 8: winning streak. Atlanta's Matt Olsen a first inning grand slam

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Speaker 8: and their nine to nothing win over the White Sox

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Speaker 8: Atlanta has a major league best sixty one and twenty

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Speaker 8: nine record. They've hit home runs in twenty seven consecutive games.

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Speaker 8: Then Dodgers a six nothing win over the Mets at

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Speaker 8: City Field. Is Julio Arias and three Dodger relievers combined

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Speaker 8: on a one hitter. The Dodgers have won five straight

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Speaker 8: and thirteen of eighteen. The Orioles on a six game

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Speaker 8: winning streak. Adam Fraser hit two home runs in their

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Speaker 8: five to win over the Marlins, and with that, Fellas

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Speaker 8: back to you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, I Low.

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Speaker 2: It is Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: You know what's wild is I've I was watching the

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Speaker 2: women's final of Wimbledon, and it's interesting because they're interviewing

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Speaker 2: onz Jabor and she's the girl that lost, and I

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Speaker 2: just I don't know it. It just struck me. She's

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: emotional right now, she's crying. And if you compare it

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 2: to other sports, when you think about the postgame press

1275
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: conference and like you're not out there in front of

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01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 2: the entire audience, you know what I mean, it's just

1277
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: so different in tennis.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why.

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01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: It just took me now for it to strike me.

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01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: The it's been going on like this for a long time.

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Speaker 2: But uh, you don't have that, Like I'm just thinking

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Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl, right yeah, where they don't interview

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: on the field in front of the entire crowd, right, Like,

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 2: it's just wild what happens in tennis.

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Speaker 3: It's different. Yeah, it's a it's an interesting sport from

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01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 3: a lot of different standpoints. Because I also feel like

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01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 3: it's super intimate, like there is not a lot going

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Speaker 3: on in the square footage available other than tennis, Like

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Speaker 3: there's not a lot of people there live in person.

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Speaker 3: The people who are there are really close. The conversations

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: that the tennis players have with the officials or or

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01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 3: even that they're you know, I'm and sometimes they're talking

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01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 3: themselves loudly, like all of it can be heard by

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01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 3: virtually every single person seated in the stands. And then

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01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: it's another one of those sports that's really quiet, like

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01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: in an NFL stadium or ballpark or an arena for

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 3: basketball or hockey, like it's a loud, raucous environment like

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01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 3: this is a highly concentrative, meditative sport, and so you

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Speaker 3: get to hear everything that goes on. It's it's a

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: really strange atmosphere if you've ever been to a tennis.

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Speaker 1: Match, Yeah, I think individual sports and on the betting

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01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: side for me, like i've obviously, the more I do

1303
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: this for a profession, the more I learn little intricacies

1304
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: about each sport that I maybe didn't know. Individual sports

1305
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: fascinate me because there's no team, and a little bit

1306
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: to an extent with the caddy and golf or with

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: tennis players. To Riches's point, you hear them screaming air

1308
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: at their box a lot like their coach and their

1309
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: mom and their dad are sitting there and they're like,

1310
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: you should have done this forehand, and you hear them

1311
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: talking back and forth. But for the most part, it's

1312
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: very much in your own head and how you manage

1313
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: that emotion game to game, point to point, second to

1314
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: second is everything. And for example, we do this as

1315
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: human beings. It is part of our instinct when one

1316
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: bad thing happens. And we talked about this off the

1317
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: top of the show with the Jets. Being a Jets

1318
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: fan waiting for the anvil to drop, we're just we're

1319
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: waiting for that negativity. We thrive on negativity. We're a

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: very sadistic culture. We like seeing other people fail. We

1321
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: like seeing other people fall flat on their face. That's

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Speaker 1: why America's funniest home videos exist. We just like seeing

1323
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: that negative emotion sometimes because it makes us feel better

1324
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: about ourselves. And that's kind of what that interview is, Brian, Like,

1325
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: it's your biggest failure in anstrabor was a set up

1326
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: last year, lost two straight sets, lost the final, made

1327
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: it back this year. Great Ron wasn't expected to make

1328
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: it back to the Wimbledon final this year and just

1329
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: got absolutely trounced in this match by an unseated player

1330
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: five minutes later in front of the entire crowd that

1331
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: you just got embarrassed playing in front of Oh yeah,

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01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? Ons? Like? That's part of the sport, unfortunately.

1333
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: But it's very difficult to watch because right now the

1334
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: camera's just on Ons and she's obviously very emotional. But

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: I do think we should be paying a little more

1336
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: attention to the young lady that just won in the

1337
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: historic fashion, right.

1338
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, the first unseated woman to wait Wimbledon. That's

1339
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: an awesome achievement. The other thing that stands out about

1340
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:47,799
Speaker 2: tennis is their replay system is second to none. Events

1341
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: unbelievable sht. Yeah, I want to challenge that. Yeah, that

1342
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 2: ball was in That took ten seconds of our life.

1343
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's amazing.

1344
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 2: And what stands out is if you just watch other

1345
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 2: sports and their replay systems, you wouldn't think the replay

1346
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: system in tennis is even possible. And it just makes

1347
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: me wonder, are we gonna see any major advancements in replay.

1348
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: We've talked about this with the football for a long time.

1349
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 2: Is there gonna be any sort of tracking system where

1350
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: you can tell if it's a first down or not?

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01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: Right?

1352
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: Like tennis is so far above and beyond the other

1353
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 2: replay systems. I know it's not the same thing, but

1354
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: I think the ball comparison with football is the closest thing.

1355
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 2: Are you gonna see any major advancement that's gonna catch

1356
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 2: up with tennis anytime soon?

1357
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 3: I hope so, because my one complain about replay is

1358
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 3: the fact that it takes too long, and that frankly,

1359
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 3: the ineffectiveness of the subjective refs or officials in these

1360
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 3: games it makes it almost useless. Like just go back

1361
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 3: to the old days when you didn't have anything, and

1362
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 3: you'll probably have about the same outcomes in certain cases.

1363
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 3: But if they can make it faster, more effective and efficient,

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01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 3: then yeah, I'm all for it.

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: XFL got it right, Blendino in the booth. Referee on

1366
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: the field had no impact on it. It was just

1367
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: the booth. The booth decided everything. There was an eye

1368
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: in the sky and they reviewed everything and that's it.

1369
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: There was no you know, discretion with the referee who

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01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 1: was actually on the field.

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing with Pereira in the USFL. Yeah, like

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01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: only the NFL. I didn't have the sky. All the

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01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: spring leagues do and it's better off for it. We've

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Speaker 2: got rich Orenberger Penn State, All American. We've got Jared

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Speaker 2: Smith FSR, betting analyst. He's got a dog named Jackpot.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian. Now I'm babysitting cats for the next just

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks in Chamrol, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Heavy on the plural cats there. Oh they're tremendous. Man.

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Speaker 2: I went home for the last couple of days and

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Speaker 2: came back. I missed these cats like crazy. He knows

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Speaker 2: a cat guys in case August sixth, when we move out,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I can go on with life.

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Speaker 2: Cat heaving Cooper and Tiger over all right. Coming up next,

1384
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: there's a top five list. Is this something or nothing?

1385
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: As far as the ripple effect, we'll get to that.

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01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I didn't even realize that the Sam is

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Speaker 1: a wizard. You're a wizard. Sam. On the buttons.

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Speaker 2: I think I was working at a bar in South Bend, Indiana,

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Speaker 2: and Ted Nugent came to town and was he played

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Speaker 2: a show on stage, and I think he was doing

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Speaker 2: the bow and arrow thing. I can't remember the like,

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 2: shot a guitar at the end of it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Very elaborate, very elaborate. That loves explosives, he loves shooting things.

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Speaker 2: Bow and arrow wives. Okay, So justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: wide receiver. He was asked to come up with his

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01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: top five current NFL quarterback list. Okay, now it's not

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Speaker 2: the greatest audio, a little bit of background noise, but

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01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: you can tell who he's going with.

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Speaker 3: Try this on for size.

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Speaker 12: I have to see number one, he Patrick Maholmes, you

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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 12: gotta get its own the ADP. Number two I have

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01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 12: to see, and Rogers, I gotta give its own. Number three,

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 12: my god, and Joey Dead is only respect. Number four

1415
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 12: I have to pick Jalen Hurts, gotta respect his game

1416
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 12: and bringing Philly to the championship. And then number five

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01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 12: I have to see Josh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, for godain you know what I'm saying. So that's

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: my five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So to recap, he goes Mahomes one, followed by Rogers,

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01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: who's got Rodgers number two, then Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts,

1422
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. So of course you know what's coming up next.

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01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 2: He didn't have his own quarterback Kirk Cousins in the

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01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: top five. Is this something or nothing? I think it's nothing.

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 2: I think that Kirk Cousins, even though he's competitive. I

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: don't think he would look at that list and be like,

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01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: this is the ultimate slight. How could my guy, Justin

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01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: Jefferson not have me ranked above Joe Burrow or Josh Allen.

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01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 2: I just don't think he looks at it that way.

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01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 2: If it's another quarterback, maybe this is something. But when

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01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,879
Speaker 2: it's Kirk Cousins, I just don't think this is anything

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 2: at all. It makes for an interesting headline, but I

1433
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: don't think there's any real ripple effect with this.

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01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,839
Speaker 3: I will say this to me. It sounds like somebody

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 3: just asks if his wife looks fat and he said.

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, So you think there's a ripple effect here.

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01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 3: Huh oh yeah, really listen. If there's one thing I

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01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 3: know about Kirk Cousins, he's listening. He's listening. Kirk Cousins,

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01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 3: he reads the papers. Kirk Cousins likes the camera, he

1440
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 3: doesn't love it. He's not seeking it out at all times.

1441
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 3: But you know, he'll find himself on a Netflix series

1442
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: called Quarterback. He'll find his way you know, onto uh,

1443
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 3: you know, onto podcasts. You know. I mean, like Kirk Cousins,

1444
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 3: it's not like he's invisible. And I don't know Look,

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's sensitive, but one of the most

1446
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: famous quotes from his career is you like that. I mean, like,

1447
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 3: this is a competitive guy, you know. So, I mean, look,

1448
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 3: when when someone asks you, it doesn't matter if it's

1449
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 3: your wife or somebody else, does your wife look fat?

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01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 3: Your answer is no, one percent of the time is no,

1451
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 3: absolutely not no. Never. You know, I it's it's it's

1452
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 3: a little odd, it's a it's a it's I'm not

1453
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 3: saying it's something big, but it's not nothing, that's for sure.

1454
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm in between. I think if if

1455
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: I was Justin Jefferson, the first words out of my

1456
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: mouth would have been, man, Kirk Cousins is my guy.

1457
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of really good quarterbacks in our league.

1458
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: Like there's such as there's a way to spin it

1459
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: where you're not giving your list one through five, like

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01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: you're mentioning Kirk right off the top he's your dude,

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: And then yeah, you know that Patrick Mahomes guy is

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01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: pretty good too, right, Like to me, there's a pr

1463
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: way to appease both here and I don't think Justin

1464
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: did the best job of walking that way.

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Speaker 2: I hear you, so if you're faced with the question

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01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: is your wife fat? Is it something like what is weighty?

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01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, right, You're gonna do great as a married

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Speaker 1: man whenever it happens.

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Speaker 3: Well there, so well, amen, all right, coming up next.

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Speaker 2: It's a great argument, but these guys have no leverage

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Speaker 2: at all. Man, these guys, they make a compelling argument.

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Speaker 2: The only problem is they just don't have any leverage.

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Speaker 10: It comes down to comparing. Right, Let's let's see what

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01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 10: the real value add to a team is. You know,

1491
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,839
Speaker 10: if I'm if I'm looking at some of the backup

1492
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 10: receivers out here that are still making more than me,

1493
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 10: and that that's going to piss me off, right, I'm

1494
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 10: a little bit. I'm like, Okay, wait a minute. So

1495
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 10: you're telling me these people or the number three receiver

1496
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 10: is going to make more than me, and I'm the starter.

1497
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 10: I'd get more carries, I touched the ball more, I

1498
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 10: have more of an impact. It causes us the question, right,

1499
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 10: we're going to fight for that. We're going to fight

1500
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 10: for Hey, I'm bringing more value to the team than

1501
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 10: this person. I think I should be compensated for that.

1502
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 2: He's one hundred percent correct. The only problem is running

1503
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: backs don't have leverage. Also, if you look at Saquon

1504
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 2: he's the best example where the reports right now. If

1505
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: he doesn't come to a long term agreement by Monday.

1506
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: That's the deadline for a franchise tagged player that maybe

1507
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 2: he's not going to be there for Week one against

1508
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 2: the Alice Cowboys. That's the only leverage you have is

1509
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: sitting out. And look how that didn't work out for

1510
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: Le'Veon Bell, who sat out an entire season for the

1511
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: Steelers and he didn't benefit from it. So that's the

1512
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: problem right now. These running backs, they're far more valuable

1513
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: than the money they're commanding on the open market. But

1514
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 2: without true leverage, that's just the way it is right now,

1515
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 2: regardless of how much the argument makes sense, if you

1516
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 2: don't have leverage, you can't sway things to your favor.

1517
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: I hate that that's the reality, but that's what we're

1518
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 2: looking at with running backs these days.

1519
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question about it. Also, what's missing from

1520
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 3: the conversation, and understandably so because it doesn't help support

1521
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 3: his case, is the insurance. Right Look, you could be

1522
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 3: somebody who is devastatingly handsome, who trains constantly, in the

1523
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 3: best shape of your life. Maybe you're thirty five years

1524
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 3: old and you've never smoked a cigarette or chewed tobacco,

1525
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 3: A day in your life. But say, you know, there

1526
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: are some risks about signing you to a life insurance

1527
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 3: policy because when you were born you had a congenital

1528
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 3: heart disease and it never reared its head, not once

1529
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 3: over the course of your life. But if that's on

1530
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:22,520
Speaker 3: paper and everybody's aware of the risks of that situation,

1531
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 3: well then you're gonna pay much higher premiums. It's just

1532
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 3: the way the world works. When people are taking on risk,

1533
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: they either don't want to invest as much and they're

1534
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:39,520
Speaker 3: careful about that investment, or when they do, they're onboarding

1535
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of risk. And that, unfortunately is the

1536
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: reality of the running back position. There is a predisposition

1537
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: to injury at that position that doesn't exist with the receivers.

1538
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 3: And so you look at you know, the charger's roster,

1539
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 3: for example, they have three receivers. I would assume, I know,

1540
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 3: Mike Williams is getting paid more. I think Keenans getting

1541
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 3: paid more and their newest draft pick out of TCU.

1542
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 3: And I don't know why, all of a sudden, I'm

1543
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 3: blanking on his name. Boy, oh justin Yeah, he's getting

1544
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 3: paid more, you know, so he's thinking to himself like,

1545
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 3: there are three mouths to feet on the outside, and

1546
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to get more carries than at least two

1547
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 3: of these guys per game. I'm going to get more

1548
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 3: touches than at least two of these guys per game.

1549
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 3: And they're cumulatively crushing my salary and individually crushing my salary.

1550
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: What gives well the difference is the unfortunate reality that

1551
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: running backs get hurt and you're a running back.

1552
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really love his comments here. I think,

1553
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: first of all, everything that he said is true, but

1554
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: that's not the reality that we live in. Like maybe

1555
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: on like planet Mars or Pluto or like alternate Earth,

1556
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,839
Speaker 1: counter Earth somewhere, running backs are valued higher in the NFL.

1557
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: In that NFL, but in this version of reality, running

1558
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: backs are not valued as highly as other positions are.

1559
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 1: And that's just the hand you're deut Austin. You chose

1560
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: this position. And the second part of this that really

1561
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: bugs me more is you just came out and said

1562
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: I should be paid more than my teammates, and that

1563
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: just causes I think some unnecessary friction in the locker room,

1564
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: especially with a rookie receiver that's trying to get acclimated.

1565
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 1: And then oh, by the way, the cherry on top,

1566
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: you have a new offensive coordinator and a quarterback that

1567
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: I think might be the best untapped talent in the league.

1568
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 1: Why would you want to throw a wrench into that operation? Now?

1569
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: The contract stuff should not be made public during training camp,

1570
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: and at this stage there's a time for that right

1571
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: in the offseason and in the build up. And why

1572
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: are you going on public whatever internet radio podcast. I

1573
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: don't know where he's said that, but and just starting

1574
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: this this this conundrum of yeah, I should be paid

1575
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: more than this guy and he's next to me in

1576
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: the locker room. Like it just it feels like it's

1577
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: a sour taste heading into a football season when there

1578
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 1: should be a lot more positive vibes with the Chargers

1579
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: based off of the moves they made in the offseason

1580
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore coming in to help get the most

1581
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: out of Justin Herbert. Like I just I don't like

1582
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: the way this smells coming into now training camp in

1583
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: a week.

1584
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 3: I hear you.

1585
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 2: But there's another side to it where if I'm going

1586
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 2: the other way with Austin Eckler, think about this where

1587
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: the guy had one hundred and seven catches last year.

1588
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: That's thirty five more than anybody else on the roster.

1589
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 2: He had a bucko seven, he had eighteen touchdowns. He

1590
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 2: led the league in overall touchdowns for a second straight season.

1591
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 2: And this guy got less than two million dollars in incentives.

1592
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: That's like he has to be traded. And they worked

1593
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 2: it out where he got less than two million dollars

1594
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 2: in incentives for his contract this season.

1595
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 3: And think about this too.

1596
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: We always talk about wide receivers and how there can

1597
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: be some divas here and there. Imagine if the roles

1598
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 2: were reversed. Imagine if receivers were getting nickel and dimed

1599
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 2: the way running backs were, and what those guys would

1600
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 2: be saying in that instance. And the last thing that

1601
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 2: cherry on top were Austin Eckler And he didn't name names,

1602
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: but he's gotta be looking around when he hears all

1603
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 2: these comments about running backs and attrition in the injury factor,

1604
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 2: and he's like, uh, excuse me. I play with Keenan Allen,

1605
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 2: who's banged up all the time. I play with Mike Williams,

1606
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: who's got hamstring issues left and right. He can't stay

1607
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: on the field. And I don't get my just due

1608
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 2: just because it's possible I might get hurt while these

1609
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: guys are getting hurt and they're getting paid. Like so,

1610
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 2: I totally understand what you're saying, Jared, and I get it.

1611
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 2: But the frustration that builds when you aren't getting your

1612
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 2: true value, that is tough.

1613
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: He's allowed to have the frustration, But the point is

1614
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: outletting it in the way that he did is not

1615
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: helping the situation. That's the point that I think is

1616
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: important here.

1617
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 3: I disagree, and I'll tell you why. And look, I mean,

1618
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 3: I laid it out like an insurance policy, and I

1619
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 3: really do feel that's the way the NFL world looks

1620
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 3: at the running back position, that you're onboarding a lot

1621
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 3: of risk by paying these guys a lot. And I

1622
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 3: do agree with what you're saying, Brian, like, especially when

1623
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 3: you look at objectively the chargers and the injuries they

1624
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 3: have Over the past couple of years, Austin Eckler has

1625
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 3: been available where the receivers who are getting paid more

1626
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 3: than him, again objectively, have missed more time. So it's like,

1627
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,919
Speaker 3: who's the more productive guy, who's more important to this offense?

1628
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 3: He has an argument and I also feel this. I

1629
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 3: also feel like when when you are the squeaky wheel

1630
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: gets to oil, when you are quiet and you suck

1631
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 3: it up and you try to be a team guy,

1632
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 3: and then you blow out your knee and play on

1633
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 3: a franchise tag. If you're Saquon Barkley, Yeah, you know,

1634
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 3: for as many people are gonna be like, you know what,

1635
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 3: Saquan was a great teammate and he really sold out

1636
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 3: for his team, there's a lot of people who are

1637
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 3: gonna be like, Wow, that guy's a dummy. He should

1638
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 3: have not played on the tag. He should have held

1639
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 3: out for that contract, because look at him now. He

1640
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 3: just got that ACL and he's had a couple of

1641
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 3: knee injuries in the past, and my goodness, it's not

1642
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 3: looking good for his future. And who knows, maybe it

1643
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 3: changes him as a player. You know, the same thing

1644
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 3: with Josh Jacobs. I mean, don't get me wrong, Austin

1645
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 3: Eckler is in a slightly different position here. You know,

1646
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 3: he's under contract, he's not being tagged, and he's just

1647
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 3: asking for them to extend him and sign him to

1648
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 3: a more fair deal. From his standpoint, But if you

1649
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 3: don't speak now and you hold your piece and then

1650
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 3: things don't work out for you. There's no going back

1651
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 3: and saying well they should have the I like, you

1652
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 3: don't want to have that regret. So I support these guys. Yeah.

1653
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 3: I mean, don't get me wrong. Is it good for

1654
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 3: the team? No? Not necessarily No. Is what he said

1655
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 3: exactly the way I would have phrased it. Probably not.

1656
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 3: But is he a smart guy for voicing his case

1657
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 3: and getting it out there that he's displeased with this

1658
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 3: contract for a multitude of reasons.

1659
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, yeah, I certainly can get behind that.

1660
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I think the timing of it is what is the

1661
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: part that is a little more disturbing, Like you, this

1662
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: was a problem six months ago when the season ended,

1663
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: and now it's And I know because right when the

1664
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: season starts, you're gonna get asked these questions, and I don't.

1665
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: I wish I knew what the what the sort? Like?

1666
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: Was he on a podcast or.

1667
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: Was he's on the Richon Show?

1668
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: He was on the Richardson Show. Okay, so Ritt and Riches.

1669
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: This is why rich is really good at his job.

1670
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: He pulled this from him and this is a this

1671
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: is a kind of a story here because it's been

1672
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: a story for a few months, but now it's gonna

1673
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: become more of a story, be the platform that that

1674
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: Austin was able to express it on. Yeah, there's there's

1675
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: some politics I think involved here, and I'm sure his

1676
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: agent probably prepped him pretty heavily for whatever was going

1677
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: to happen, and he had talking points and all that stuff.

1678
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,799
Speaker 1: But I at this stage of the offseason, where training

1679
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: camp is literally imminent, you are getting ready to pack

1680
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,759
Speaker 1: your things and go to camp, I think the message

1681
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: should be a little more positive unless you're holding out.

1682
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: And if you're holding out, then you're standing firm and

1683
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: I'm not playing because I deserve more. But they reworked

1684
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: his contract, they gave him some incentives. He's clearly not happy,

1685
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna get that's not gonna change between

1686
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: now in the first week of the season. So your

1687
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: focus right now, right rich like we should have a

1688
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: singular focus, even though you might feel that you're being slighted.

1689
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: It's not going to help the team win games in

1690
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 1: week one. If you're worried about your contract.

1691
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 3: I get it.

1692
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 2: I totally hear what you're saying. But man, it's it's

1693
01:31:59,040 --> 01:31:59,759
Speaker 2: tough to stomach.

1694
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 3: Really.

1695
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 2: He mentioned this also, and you can get behind this

1696
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 2: as well.

1697
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 10: It seems like it's about money, but it's about principle, right,

1698
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 10: It's about the principle of adding value.

1699
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: To a team.

1700
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 2: I think it's both, Like he's not saying it's not

1701
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 2: about money, it's also about the principle of it.

1702
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,799
Speaker 3: Where take a guy like Dalvin Cook.

1703
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook great example, He's rushed for over eleven hundred

1704
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 2: yards the last four seasons catch the last four years. Yeah,

1705
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 2: and he was set to make over ten million dollars

1706
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 2: this season with the Vikings. And I don't know what

1707
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 2: offers he has out there. It might be half that

1708
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: the Dolphins offer might be in the five six million

1709
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 2: dollar range. What we just saw with with Austin Eckler

1710
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 2: and Joe Mixon. It's got to be a trip where

1711
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 2: you're getting the negotiations are based on what could happen

1712
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 2: instead of what is happening. Like he is rushing for

1713
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 2: a lot of yards, he is a focal point, and

1714
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: yet it's well, you're getting closer to thirty and you

1715
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: could slow down. It's like, but I'm not though, right, Like,

1716
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 2: it's got to be really, really difficult to just bite

1717
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 2: your tongue when you're getting done dirty here.

1718
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's really it's it's an interesting

1719
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 3: thing that happens in life. And I mean everybody's had

1720
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 3: this experience in their in their own life of feeling

1721
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 3: underappreciated at a certain point and then looking around and

1722
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 3: being like, how am I I'm the only one seeing this?

1723
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 3: Like I'm the only one. Like you know, if you've

1724
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 3: ever i mean either way, like if you've ever had

1725
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 3: like a friend who becomes a girlfriend but you're not

1726
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 3: quite interested in her in that way and like, yeah,

1727
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 3: you know she wants a long term relationship, you're not

1728
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 3: really into it, or vice versa. You know, you're going

1729
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 3: after a girl and you're the one who takes her

1730
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 3: on dates, and you've seen some of the other guys

1731
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 3: she talks to, and you're just like, who are these dudes?

1732
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 3: Like why isn't she interested in me? Look, people have tastes,

1733
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 3: and those tastes are different teams. They're built up of people.

1734
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 3: Those executive they have tastes, you know. They they may

1735
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 3: think to themselves, well, we have this Ferrari at quarterback,

1736
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 3: we need to surround him with happy talent at wide receiver,

1737
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 3: and honestly, we look at Austin as a little more expendable.

1738
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 3: Boy is at a tough pill to swallow, Holy cow,

1739
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 3: especially if you're Austin Eckler who has scored. He's been

1740
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 3: a touchdown machine for the Chargers, and I'm a huge

1741
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 3: fan of his. I think he's an amazing running back,

1742
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 3: dual threat, better between the tackles than advertised. Like, this

1743
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 3: guy is truly truly one of the top running backs

1744
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 3: in the league. But look like we were talking about

1745
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, I mean, if you're if you're in the

1746
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 3: wrong relationship, or if you're courting the wrong girl, or

1747
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 3: you know, on the other side of the ledger, if

1748
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 3: you're looking at it like you know geez, I mean, yeah,

1749
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 3: she makes pancakes every morning. But I don't know, there's

1750
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 3: just no chemistry. It's like, you know, that's that's life, man,

1751
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 3: Like you know, So I look at it this way. Also,

1752
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 3: I say, in those situations, you got two choices. You

1753
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 3: either continue on and you say, okay, well it's not perfect,

1754
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 3: but it's livable, right, you know, I'm just gonna keep

1755
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 3: on banging my head against this wall. Literally. In the

1756
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 3: case of Austin Eckler and and I'm just gonna I'm

1757
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 3: just gonna suck it up because that's life. Or you

1758
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 3: do something actionable, and in this situation, I don't know

1759
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 3: if it's a great idea, but Austin Eckler too can

1760
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 3: hold out like he can make Ultimately, he can make

1761
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 3: the decision. He's in control of his own actions if

1762
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to report to training camp because the

1763
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 3: one seventy or the one point seventy five million dollars

1764
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 3: in incentives added to his added to his contract still

1765
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 3: isn't enough to him. Well, he reserves the right to say, well,

1766
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to play on what I deem an

1767
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,800
Speaker 3: unfair contract because the more I think about it, the

1768
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 3: more offended I am that this is the best and

1769
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 3: final offer. So either you're going to pay me more

1770
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 3: or you're not gonna have me this season, and I'll

1771
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 3: deal with the finds as they come.

1772
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: See Rich, that's the rhetoric that the interview came off

1773
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: to me as like the way he was framing it.

1774
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: He did everything but say what you just said, right,

1775
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: He went all the way to the edge of that

1776
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: cliff and gave Rich this whole song and a dance.

1777
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: Why this guy's overvalued and this and that, bah blah blah.

1778
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: But oh, I'm gonna still go play. And that's the

1779
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: issue that I think I take the most with it,

1780
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: because if you're gonna jump in the pool, right, what's

1781
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: the phrase, x er get off the pot. I won't

1782
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: say it on the air because I'm get in trouble

1783
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Like that to me is what this feels like. He

1784
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: didn't quite get there, but you know he wants to,

1785
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 1: and you know he's thinking about it, but it creates

1786
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: a very awkward situation for not only himself and his teammates.

1787
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, this position, as

1788
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:58,839
Speaker 1: good as Austin Eckler is, is the most replaceable position

1789
01:36:59,120 --> 01:36:59,839
Speaker 1: in the league.

1790
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 2: Listen, I think Jared, if it's just about him, I

1791
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 2: think it lands a lot differently. Right as soon as

1792
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 2: he said, hey, we got third string wide receivers getting

1793
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 2: more than me.

1794
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: That bothers me.

1795
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: That's the part right where if it's just about him,

1796
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 2: I think his argument it would land a lot differently.

1797
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 2: If he's like, listen, I hear all this stuff about

1798
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 2: it's a passing lead league.

1799
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 3: I had one hundred and seven catches.

1800
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had one hundred and seven catches.

1801
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: Those other guys were injured and they had to and

1802
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 1: they also had to check down Charlie offensive forminator.

1803
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 3: But it's still it's the same number.

1804
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 2: It's the same number as CD Lamb, the Cowboys wide receiver.

1805
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: It's one fewer than Stefan Diggs. You know, I had

1806
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and seven catches. It's a passing league. I

1807
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 2: catched the ball. Okay, I'm not just a running back.

1808
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 2: If it's like that, I think it lands differently. But yeah,

1809
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 2: when he threw out the third string wide receiver, I

1810
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 2: get it. But that's if you're gonna take the position

1811
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 2: you are, Jared, I understand why you would think about

1812
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 2: it that way. Are We got a lot to you.

1813
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 2: We got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American. Jared Smith

1814
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: is with us FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian no coming

1815
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:08,799
Speaker 2: up next. Who ordered the code red?

1816
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: So to speak?

1817
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

1818
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 3: Welcome back in.

1819
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Saturday live from the tire Rack dot

1820
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,759
Speaker 2: Com studios here on Fox Sports Radio.

1821
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 3: So who ordered the code red?

1822
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 2: Interesting report this week from ESPN detailing Dan Snyder, the

1823
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 2: soon to be former team owner of the Washington Commanders

1824
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 2: and the leaked emails. Remember when the leaked emails happened

1825
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 2: and it led to John Gruden being out as the

1826
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:46,799
Speaker 2: Oakland Raiders head coach, and so the report from ESPN

1827
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 2: was about, hey, who leaked these emails? There were four

1828
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 2: team owners that told ESPN NFL team owners that said, hey,

1829
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell personally contributed to the release of these emails.

1830
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:05,759
Speaker 2: There's another theory that it was Dan Snyder who leaked

1831
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 2: the emails, where this was the whole investigation into the

1832
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 2: culture of the Washington Commanders around that time, and so

1833
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 2: the theory is that Snyder might have leaked the emails

1834
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 2: to sort of shift the focus onto Bruce Allen, who

1835
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 2: was the former team president and his communications with John

1836
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 2: Gruden were maybe they'd look at Bruce Allen instead of

1837
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 2: the Washington Commanders as a whole. So I'll throw it

1838
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 2: to you, guys, who do you think ordered the code rett?

1839
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 2: Was it Snyder leaking, it was it Goodell leaking? It

1840
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 2: was it a bit of both? What do you think

1841
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 2: happened there?

1842
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:46,759
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing I'm not saying. I always trust

1843
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:51,599
Speaker 3: the first narrative. I definitely don't. I do think that

1844
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 3: further investigation is always needed, especially when we're dealing with

1845
01:39:56,160 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 3: big issues like career destroying emails b released and racism

1846
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 3: and misogyny and homophobia being released along inside like they're

1847
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 3: within the emails where all those things. I will say

1848
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 3: this though, like I kind of feel like the narrative,

1849
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like, so Dan Snyder's on

1850
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 3: his way out the league, what else can we tag

1851
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 3: him with while we shove him off the cliff? Like,

1852
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 3: what what else can we stuff in the laundry basket

1853
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 3: that they that he's holding as we kick him in

1854
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 3: the back and and feed him to the Sharks? Right that? Now,

1855
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,759
Speaker 3: don't me wrong. I'm not going to spend a single

1856
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 3: moment staying at at night crying for Dan Snyder. Like,

1857
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 3: Dan Snyder has taken a couple hundred million dollars in

1858
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 3: investment and turned it into billions and billions and billions

1859
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 3: of dollars, not just what he'll sell the team for,

1860
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 3: but the billions that he's earned over the course of

1861
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 3: time owning the Washington Commanders. So I'm not gonna cry

1862
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 3: any tears for Dan Snyder. But it does sort of

1863
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, he's gonna get blamed for everything

1864
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 3: now on his way out, like you know, and and

1865
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you know it turned out that official

1866
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 3: who threw the flag? When? When when Joe Burrow or

1867
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 3: when Patrick Mahomes was hit out of bounds by Cincinnati

1868
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 3: Bengals defender whatever, Dan Snyder, he was the official. Yeah,

1869
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 3: he he's he's gonna get He's gonna get played for

1870
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 3: a lot of things on his way out of the

1871
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 3: league because the league knows how to handle public relations.

1872
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 3: So I kind of feel like the narrative is shifting

1873
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 3: to to to make him look like a bigger bad guy.

1874
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: You guys watch Game of Thrones. Yeah, My one of

1875
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: my favorite lines is little Finger. Sometimes when I try

1876
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: to understand a person's motives, I play a little game.

1877
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could

1878
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: possibly have for saying what they say and doing what

1879
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: they do? And it we play this game every day.

1880
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: Our brains take us to really dark places sometimes when

1881
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: we're dealing with troubles in our own life, things that

1882
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: happened in our past. We try to put the pieces

1883
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: back together. Who's responsible for my trauma? Well, reading through

1884
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: some of this stuff, I think it's pretty obvious that's

1885
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: the command Who's I mean, I don't understand what Roger

1886
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,839
Speaker 1: Goodell's motive would be for releasing them. He is causing

1887
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 1: undo and unnecessary trauma to the league's image by doing it.

1888
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 1: What could the commander's motives be? Well, trying to turn

1889
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: the public eye away from the firestorm that was brewing

1890
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 1: inside of their own team building, and let's shift the

1891
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 1: focus to John Gruden calling people bad names. That makes

1892
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to me, and it blew up

1893
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:56,639
Speaker 1: in Snyder's phase. It was a desperate attempt to try

1894
01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: to shift the narrative, but it was an hit job.

1895
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: Like Gruden was clearly thrown under the bus by somebody

1896
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:10,759
Speaker 1: who has the most important motive, the most likely motive.

1897
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: What is the worst reason Roger Goodell could possibly have

1898
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 1: for doing that. It doesn't pass the smell test to

1899
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: me on Goodell's side. But the commanders, who have again

1900
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 1: a hornet's nest that is about to be unleashed, Yes,

1901
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: they have a major motive to leak emails That might

1902
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: hurt them a little bit, but will hurt John Gruden

1903
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot more. Now, again, it ended up going poorly

1904
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: for both parties, as it tends to do when your

1905
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:42,679
Speaker 1: motives are in the gutter. But to me, reading between

1906
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: the lines here, I think it's on the commander's side

1907
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: if we had to pin the source of the leak.

1908
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 2: Well, the Gruden thing, to me, I love that part

1909
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Speaker 2: of it, where in a statement to ESPN he said

1910
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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous the league thought they could cherry pick emails

1911
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Speaker 2: from years ago when I wasn't even a coach and

1912
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Speaker 2: try to end my career at a minimum. I deserved

1913
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to respond and receive some due process.

1914
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Speaker 3: Okay, here's the thing.

1915
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Speaker 2: What he got caught in those emails saying it was

1916
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Speaker 2: really bad, really bad. Well, the things that he was

1917
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 2: saying about Demorris Smith, you know more than that. But

1918
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 2: like this idea of I deserved some due process, It's like, bro,

1919
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Speaker 2: once that made it out in the public, you were done.

1920
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Speaker 2: Now we can argue about the motive and who leaked

1921
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 2: them and why that's fine. Gruden's basically saying I got

1922
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 2: caught for speeding. I was on the highway, I was speeding,

1923
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 2: but I wasn't the only one. You know, how many

1924
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Speaker 2: people have gotten caught speeding instead of the cop.

1925
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Speaker 3: What about that other guy? You see how fast he

1926
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Speaker 3: was going there.

1927
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Speaker 2: I get that with Cruden, He's not the only one

1928
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Speaker 2: with emails saying some off the wall type stuff. But

1929
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 2: to say I deserved some due process, it's like, no,

1930
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Speaker 2: you didn't.

1931
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Speaker 3: What's that the public mail?

1932
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Speaker 7: You were done?

1933
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 2: You were absolutely done at that. But there's nothing that

1934
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 2: due process would have done to save his job.

1935
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Speaker 1: Nothing.

1936
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:09,759
Speaker 3: And also, like I I'll go back to what Jared said,

1937
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 3: I could think of a bunch of reasons that Roger

1938
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 3: Goodell might want John Gruden to have a league, Like clearly,

1939
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 3: I mean if you listen to the way or listen

1940
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 3: if you read the way that that John Gruden described

1941
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 3: Roger Goodell in those emails. Yeah, I understand those were

1942
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 3: private correspondences, but he was trying to be offensive towards

1943
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 3: Roger Goodell. I mean, is it is? It? Does it

1944
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 3: end there? You know? I mean yeah, I mean we

1945
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 3: could we could point to maybe it was Dan Snyder

1946
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,679
Speaker 3: or the people attached to Dan Snyder trying to hang

1947
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 3: blame on Bruce Allen, and maybe it was just a

1948
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 3: very convenient and good idea to add some of the

1949
01:45:54,960 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 3: Goodell derogatory remarks that that Bruden made about Goodell to

1950
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 3: try to make Goodell the red herring. But at the

1951
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 3: end of the day, like I kind of feel like

1952
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 3: that narrative was floated out there, and the Dan Snyder

1953
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 3: releasing it on himself while there was already an investigation

1954
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 3: going on inside of the Washington Commander football program, made

1955
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 3: close to no sense at that time, because why would

1956
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 3: he want to attract more bad attention to his program?

1957
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like they were already in it,

1958
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 3: so why would you want Like, you know, it's like

1959
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:36,600
Speaker 3: the house is on fire. It's like, well, here's some gasoline.

1960
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not water, but let's try this to

1961
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 3: put out the flames. Like that sounds like an awful idea.

1962
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,839
Speaker 3: But now we're a year departed from that are longer,

1963
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,919
Speaker 3: We're over a year departed from that situation with the emails,

1964
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 3: and people are kinda they have fuzzy memories about it,

1965
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,080
Speaker 3: so they go, yeah, it was Dan Snyder who did

1966
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 3: all that. Yeah, that's the ticket. It was Dan Snyder

1967
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,680
Speaker 3: the whole time. As he is it's literally being stripped

1968
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 3: of his ownership of a team and forced to sell

1969
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,640
Speaker 3: It's just it feels very convenient now that all of

1970
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 3: a sudden, all roads point to Dan Snyder, Whereas before

1971
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,680
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, this kind of felt like a

1972
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 3: Goodell plan to get Gruden out of the league for

1973
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 3: reasons why we don't know, but it felt like a

1974
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 3: vendetta from somebody.

1975
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a valid pushback. I think Goodell

1976
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: has to hear this stuff. I mean, this is not

1977
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 1: the first coach or player or anyone that's criticized Roger

1978
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,200
Speaker 1: Goodell in an email. So I don't know if there's

1979
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:38,839
Speaker 1: something else between Gruden and Goodell that I'm not aware

1980
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 1: of that maybe is behind the scenes, some more bad blood.

1981
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:46,720
Speaker 1: But if it's just Gruden popping off on Goodell and

1982
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,760
Speaker 1: calling them names in an email, like, to me, that's

1983
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: not like a vendetta. It's just it's your boss kind

1984
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: of in a sense, and you're upset about something, so

1985
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna vent to another former colleague about your boss.

1986
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: It happens all the time at the bar after a shift,

1987
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: but it obviously the stakes are higher in the NFL.

1988
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's more politics behind the

1989
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: scenes between Gruden and Goodell. The and this isn't to

1990
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: say that the you know, US House of Representatives has

1991
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 1: never you know, been wrong about something. But they tend

1992
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: to think that it's Daniel Snyder that or at least

1993
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: the commanders that were the ones in charge or in

1994
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of orchestrating the leak. But again, I don't know

1995
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: what the politics of their investigation are, kind of ensuing

1996
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: this is a mess, right, this entire situation, Like I'm

1997
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: talking my way through it now, and I'm like, where

1998
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: am I going here?

1999
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 2: But four owners, four owners that are like it's yeah,

2000
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 2: and then you got what you're saying, You got Congress

2001
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 2: station owner say another thing, like what is he like?

2002
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 3: Think about what's happening now too, Like you know, when

2003
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:53,839
Speaker 3: when there is a powerful person in a in a place,

2004
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 3: everybody is subjugated by that owner or that that person. Yeah,

2005
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, when when the foundation

2006
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 3: starts to crack and you know, and it all starts

2007
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 3: to fall down, all of a sudden, you get the

2008
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 3: pile honors. And that includes Congress people because again we're

2009
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 3: talking about people that Daniel Sider may or may not

2010
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 3: have abused over the course of his time in Washington, DC.

2011
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 3: You know, so there there is potential where there's a

2012
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 3: lot of people in Daniel Snyder's orbit who feel slighted

2013
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 3: by him or feel like he could he could be

2014
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 3: scapegoaded here for things that.

2015
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 1: That his weakest. Now this is the time to attack.

2016
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a bad thing.

2017
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 2: Is we're getting so far away from the truth because

2018
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 2: there are all these scores to settle, you know what

2019
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:42,799
Speaker 2: I mean, Like it goes.

2020
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 1: Back to your original kyment. You want the truth, you

2021
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: can't handle the truth.

2022
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 3: That's the truth, honestly, because nobody knows what it is anymore.

2023
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 13: You know, lots of other categories. One Oh, it's kreven

2024
01:49:58,520 --> 01:49:59,599
Speaker 13: high and deep to rive.

2025
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:04,759
Speaker 14: It's the grandest of all runs the first inning, brand

2026
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 14: Slam for battle Sinus for the upping brains.

2027
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,720
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2034
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Speaker 2: Braves Radio network as the Braves clobbered the White Sox

2035
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 2: was a nine to nothing grand Slam in the first inning. Now,

2036
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 2: I just think about you if you had money on

2037
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 2: the first inning run scored or no run scored, Jared,

2038
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 2: you love those bets.

2039
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: I didn't bet that one. I did not have a

2040
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,799
Speaker 1: good day doing I've actually had a rough couple of weeks.

2041
01:50:57,680 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: This is a tough bet and we're in a very

2042
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:01,600
Speaker 1: tough part of the baseballs.

2043
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,839
Speaker 2: You'll get back on the train here today. I'm very confident.

2044
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: Appreciate that.

2045
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 3: Props to the crew.

2046
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 2: Bo Benzon our trusted producer, Iowa Sam technical producer extraordinariy

2047
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 2: Isaac Lowenkron on the updates top of the hour, up

2048
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,720
Speaker 2: on game, LaVar Arrington and Blax and Coo Buris with

2049
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 2: you today. You're in great hands. Okay, quick shout out

2050
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 2: before our bets. Sabrinda Yenescu. Three point shooting contest It's

2051
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 2: WNBA All Star Weekend.

2052
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 3: She made.

2053
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 2: She had thirty seven out of a possible forty points.

2054
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:32,640
Speaker 2: She missed two shots. She missed her first shot in

2055
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:34,599
Speaker 2: one other one. She drained like twenty in a row.

2056
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Thirty seven out of forty points. That was insane.

2057
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 2: Not as insane, Jere about this burger King Thailand. It's

2058
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:47,799
Speaker 2: a burger that doesn't feature a burger. It's just twenty

2059
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 2: pieces of cheese.

2060
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cheez.

2061
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 2: It's about three dollars and ten cents American money wise.

2062
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 2: It's just like cold Craft singles, like twenty of them

2063
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 2: and then you have buns. It's steroids, but it's not

2064
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 2: even grilled. Yeah, it's a grilled cheese without grilled.

2065
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:10,879
Speaker 1: It's a cold cheese on steroids of cheese.

2066
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 2: It's the opposite of Sabrina Yaescu last night?

2067
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 3: Is this sad? Basically what it is?

2068
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's start with you, Jared, what do you

2069
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 2: think of gambling wise today?

2070
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 1: Buddy w VA All Star Game tonight. Wow, no one's

2071
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna play any defense. So I'll take the under two

2072
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: forty nine and a half. Why not. It's way too high,

2073
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 1: way too high. That's all I've got today. I like it.

2074
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, quick short to this point. Get away from the Nerfy's.

2075
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: I'll bet the Marlins nerfee every day because you're supposed

2076
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 1: to do it every day. It's like eating an apple.

2077
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: Keeps the doctor away. But besides that, just bet the

2078
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:46,200
Speaker 1: under in the WNBA All Star Game and thank me later.

2079
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 3: For those of you who have been paying attention, I've

2080
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 3: been on Richie's been on a little bit of a

2081
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 3: so for the past four weeks, I have taken the

2082
01:52:56,320 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 3: under on total runs for Padres games on Saturday more mornings,

2083
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 3: and they have come to fruition and except for one

2084
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 3: time when Brian No tailed by bet, so please, for

2085
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 3: the love of God, don't do that. I'm taking the

2086
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 3: under nine total runs against the Phillies. It's the morning.

2087
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 3: It's the morning of a doublehead Blake. Stell's on a

2088
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 3: heater as well, and you got Ranger Suarez on the

2089
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,680
Speaker 3: mound for the Phillies. I feel like you're gonna have

2090
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 3: tired hitters, kind of maybe a little hungover from the

2091
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,440
Speaker 3: late night last night in Philadelphia.

2092
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 2: So I'm taking the under nine total runs there. Okay,

2093
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Red Sox. They've been playing good baseball lately.

2094
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 2: Going up against Marcus Stroman today, I got the Red

2095
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 2: Sox winning outright.

2096
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:39,639
Speaker 3: Do with that what you will.