Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello Whipsmarties.
Speaker 1: This is a very special episode because it is actually
Speaker 1: not only a crossover of podcasts, but a crossover of
Speaker 1: this podcast and TV. Today, we are sitting down to
Speaker 1: have a conversation with Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luttington to
Speaker 1: talk about Grey's Anatomy. Me going to work on Grey's Anatomy,
Speaker 1: and I'm also going to go visit them on Call
Speaker 1: It What It Is, their new podcast. Camilla and I
Speaker 1: have not worked together on the set of Grays, but
Speaker 1: we have crossed paths in the breezeway and it is
Speaker 1: such a fun set to be on.
Speaker 2: She is an icon.
Speaker 1: Doctor Joe Wilson is this vulnerable, strong, funny character and
Speaker 1: that's because of Camilla and not only to she do
Speaker 1: amazing work on Gray's. Do y'all know that she embodies
Speaker 1: Lara Croft in the tomb Raider video games. From animation
Speaker 1: to the screen. She's just an incredible performer and happens
Speaker 1: to be one of the most fun.
Speaker 2: Humans to be around at work.
Speaker 1: And Jessica Capshaw, oh an icon doctor Arizona Robbins come on.
Speaker 1: She starred on Grey's Anatomy for nine seasons. Happened to
Speaker 1: work with my best friend from my first show, The
Speaker 1: Inimitable Hillary Burton, and has starred in some of my
Speaker 1: favorite series in films, from Hulus Tell Me Lies to
Speaker 1: Netflix Is The Holiday, The l Words, Bones, The Practice,
Speaker 1: Blind Trust, and more. She is a chameleon and at
Speaker 1: the same time one of a kind, and the two
Speaker 1: friends have teamed up from the halls of Green Sloane
Speaker 1: Memorial to your podcast feed to launch their new show,
Speaker 1: Call It What It Is. As real life besties, they
Speaker 1: navigate the highs and lows of life together, from distress
Speaker 1: signals to successful moments big and small. These two are
Speaker 1: there for each other and on their show, they'll tell
Speaker 1: us what that looks like from a thousand pep talks,
Speaker 1: a million I got us, some urgent I'm coming overs,
Speaker 1: and more, laughing through the tears and problem solving over
Speaker 1: glasses of rose sometimes tequila. Whatever floats your boat. They
Speaker 1: know life can get even crazier than a season finale
Speaker 1: of Grey's Anatomy. Let's dive in with Jessica and Camilla.
Speaker 2: Ah, How's New York look at you?
Speaker 1: Two cheaper cheery cuties?
Speaker 2: Oh, we've had so much coffee as my goodness, it's
Speaker 2: a situation. We could be in the ear act you
Speaker 2: at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I sent my alarm this morning for six because I
Speaker 3: was like the trick where you get ready before the
Speaker 3: kids are up and then I just magically appear in
Speaker 3: the kitchen. This time, I actually really did do it
Speaker 3: where I got breakfast ready and then I felt like
Speaker 3: I was like in the Delliparton song where I was
Speaker 3: like working Mark five on the train with all the commuters,
Speaker 3: got into Grand Central, came, we got ready, and now
Speaker 3: we're here at iHeart Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. Well, the irony is that
Speaker 1: I'm now talking to you from LA because I've been
Speaker 1: working on Grace.
Speaker 2: I know. I can't wait to dive into that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it's so fun. Okay, I have a
Speaker 1: question for yall, because I normally like to go backwards
Speaker 1: before we catch up in present day. Did you both
Speaker 1: know you wanted to be actors? Like did you grow
Speaker 1: up little theater babies or did you have totally different
Speaker 1: plans and now you've made the world's most iconic television show.
Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to act from a super early age.
Speaker 2: I was four years years old and I watched The
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz and I knew that I wanted to
Speaker 2: be Judy Garland, not Dorothy and my parents nobody and
Speaker 2: my family were actors at all, and my mom thought
Speaker 2: I would turn into this like stage brat and she
Speaker 2: was like, that's not what you're doing. And then I
Speaker 2: just loved it so much that I think that I
Speaker 2: like sold her on the idea and was doing theater
Speaker 2: really young, so like little you know, community stage productions
Speaker 2: at like you know, nine ten. Caught my first first
Speaker 2: agent when I was eleven the theater, studied at Italia
Speaker 2: CONTI then came to New York and then eventually ended
Speaker 2: up in Los Angeles and doing you know, auditioning for
Speaker 2: One Tree Hill and not getting it. By the way,
Speaker 2: did not get that job, not having that day we
Speaker 2: blew it. Yeah, Well, I really wanted to move to
Speaker 2: because you guys filmed in Wilmington, right North Carolina, and
Speaker 2: that's where Dawson's Crea filmed, and I thought that this
Speaker 2: was my Dawson's Creek moment because it was like the
Speaker 2: show that I loved. And then I don't even think
Speaker 2: I got a call back, no, it's okay, and then
Speaker 2: here I am with you, lovely ladies, promoting all the things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I grew up totally different stories.
Speaker 4: I grew up as a little one.
Speaker 3: Very very shy, and I don't know that I ever
Speaker 3: dreamed that I would be bold enough to tell a story.
Speaker 3: But I always had a lot of stories in my mind,
Speaker 3: and the bulk of my acting was done with myself
Speaker 3: in the bathroom mirror. I would imagine circumstances and then
Speaker 3: I would you know, act them out and then and
Speaker 3: then I was surrounded by the world of acting. My
Speaker 3: mom was an actress and she and we were on
Speaker 3: the road all the time, so I was on film
Speaker 3: sets from when I was five six years old. And
Speaker 3: then I think that I fought it. I was kind
Speaker 3: of like, that's too predictable. That seems like, you know,
Speaker 3: and I remember I just remember seeing other people that
Speaker 3: were daughters of going out into the world and daring
Speaker 3: greatly and being totally just I mean, this was before
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what people think NEPO babies
Speaker 3: are cool or not. I still sort of don't understand
Speaker 3: the complexity of that, but it seems like it's a
Speaker 3: positive negative thing like there's like there's a tension for it,
Speaker 3: but at the same time there's there's questioning of merit
Speaker 3: and integrity on some level, and that was happening in
Speaker 3: my world. So I was a little bit like, I
Speaker 3: don't need to put myself out there and be bad.
Speaker 4: That just needs to not happen.
Speaker 3: And so, in very typical Jessica capsh Off for muh,
Speaker 3: I I vetted myself with all the acting teachers I
Speaker 3: could find. I want to wait a summer camp. I
Speaker 3: was like, but no, it's but am I good? Is
Speaker 3: what I wanted to know at the end of summer
Speaker 3: camp when I went to I.
Speaker 2: Still want to know that? Right, we're still waiting to
Speaker 2: find out. We still don't know.
Speaker 4: We still haven't decided.
Speaker 1: I think that ever goes away, does it?
Speaker 2: No? No, what I'm saying, No, No, I feel like
Speaker 2: it never goes away.
Speaker 3: Also, by the way, there's some people who do think
Speaker 3: you're good and some people who think you're terrible.
Speaker 4: All you have to do is go on the internet.
Speaker 1: Internet is a terrible place.
Speaker 4: No, it's a very dark world wide web. Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1: No matter how long we do this, you know they'll
Speaker 1: call cut. You'll look at your coworkers and be like, well, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: long is the people you're acting with, I think you're great,
Speaker 1: and vice versa. The internet can crawl in a hole
Speaker 1: and die there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember lots of times after it takes the director
Speaker 3: would say, you know, sort of like a compulsory thing.
Speaker 4: They'd be like, that was great, that was good.
Speaker 3: Moving on, and I would always sort of pause and
Speaker 3: look at whoever I was with and be.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm not really shooting or aiming for good? Can
Speaker 4: we go?
Speaker 1: Like? Could we? How?
Speaker 4: What are we? Where are we between good and great?
Speaker 3: How do we There's that sort of like work ethic
Speaker 3: piece of me that wants to keep going, and.
Speaker 2: Then you went on a network show and you realize, no,
Speaker 2: we're going to move on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just going to move on, or the difference
Speaker 3: your first season in your last where you're like and.
Speaker 4: We can go.
Speaker 1: I'm so curious about this because you know, Jessica, you
Speaker 1: joined Grays in oh nine, Kimillie you joined in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: and in the same way you talk about like not
Speaker 1: getting you know, one Tree Hill. I think about all
Speaker 1: of the shows we've all auditioned for all of the
Speaker 1: jobs you want to get and most of them you don't. Like,
Speaker 1: when you're a successful actor, what do you book three
Speaker 1: percent of all your auditions or something? What was it
Speaker 1: like to join a show like this? Because people will
Speaker 1: ask me about my show and I'm like, we didn't
Speaker 1: know anything. We didn't know how long we were going
Speaker 1: to be on by the time you stepped into Grays,
Speaker 1: you know, in both of your respective seasons, like the
Speaker 1: show is such a juggernaut. Was it a different experience
Speaker 1: to go up for the job, audition for the job,
Speaker 1: show up on set, Like, what is that journey like
Speaker 1: for both of you?
Speaker 3: My story was a little nuanced and that I had
Speaker 3: been a huge fan of the show like appointment television,
Speaker 3: watched it on the night, and then it wasn't until
Speaker 3: the fifth season that maybe, no, maybe the fourth where
Speaker 3: I auditioned and I went in.
Speaker 4: I literally had a baby two weeks prior.
Speaker 3: But my agent called me and said there's this part,
Speaker 3: and she said, I know you would I know you
Speaker 3: don't want to go out for anything, but I know
Speaker 3: you would also kill me if I didn't tell you
Speaker 3: that there's this part coming on. And I said, you're right,
Speaker 3: I am, so I like, I mean, I tidied up
Speaker 3: real quick and I hoofed it over to.
Speaker 2: Hoofed it over to the studio expression.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used my hugs and ran over and I
Speaker 3: was like okay, And I showed up in the casting
Speaker 3: office and I did everything that I could to get the.
Speaker 4: Part, and I didn't.
Speaker 3: And then maybe about a year later, there was another part,
Speaker 3: and I thought, well, now this is going to be it,
Speaker 3: and I went in and I auditioned and I didn't
Speaker 3: get it. And then my agen but they really do
Speaker 3: like you, Yeah, they don't like me that much, and
Speaker 3: they sort of stayed on them and lo and behold,
Speaker 3: we got a phone call that you know, there's this
Speaker 3: part is a three I was offered a three episode
Speaker 3: arc on the show. And when I came on, I
Speaker 3: was still just a fan. I came on as a
Speaker 3: fan and I was acting, but I was like looking
Speaker 3: around and just sort of wanted. I was like simultaneously
Speaker 3: wanting to do something really great and at the same
Speaker 3: time just like blend in so no one could get
Speaker 3: rid of me.
Speaker 2: And that's what I did.
Speaker 3: And then it just sort of went on to another
Speaker 3: episode and another episode and then that was throughout the
Speaker 3: entire fifth season, and then I was brought on as
Speaker 3: a regular in the sixth season.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what happened. Sophia non nod wing three episodes yea.
Speaker 4: With us.
Speaker 2: For me, the journey was a little bit different. I
Speaker 2: had never auditioned for it before, but I had just
Speaker 2: tested for a pilot of Shondas that didn't end up going.
Speaker 2: It was one called Gilded Lily's and and yeah, I
Speaker 2: went to Network and it was between me and another
Speaker 2: girl and I didn't get it. And then I ended
Speaker 2: up on True Blood and True Blood finished. But I
Speaker 2: had to go to Comicon because I played Lara Croft
Speaker 2: in all the video games, well in three of the
Speaker 2: last three video games. So I went to Comic Con
Speaker 2: on the Friday, and I got a call on the friday,
Speaker 2: on the Thursday saying Shonda Rhymes wants to put together
Speaker 2: a new intern class. Can you come on tomorrow to audition?
Speaker 2: And you know now they can't do it. But it
Speaker 2: was like literally, you know, the last minute, like hey,
Speaker 2: you have a bunch of sides the night before and
Speaker 2: you got to come in the next day and I
Speaker 2: couldn't make it. So I was like, damn, I can't
Speaker 2: believe I missed that. And then I was still at
Speaker 2: Comic Con for the weekend, and then I got a
Speaker 2: call saying they can't find this one heart. Would you
Speaker 2: come in on the Monday, And I was like, I
Speaker 2: can make that. So it was between me and about
Speaker 2: six other girls. I went in. I auditioned for Shonda.
Speaker 2: She was there, and then I was so the first
Speaker 2: one in and they asked me to stay behind, which
Speaker 2: is always you know, is a good sign. And then
Speaker 2: one by one the other girls left and it would
Speaker 2: just ended up being me and this shit because with me,
Speaker 2: and then I found out that it was between me
Speaker 2: and another girl in New York. And then about four
Speaker 2: days later I was on set and it was super intimidating.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, super established show, wait, but very intimidate.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I say something about that, which is that I for
Speaker 3: me and in my experience coming on the fifth season
Speaker 3: of the show, it was a huge success.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: It's actually an even bigger success now. So when I
Speaker 3: was there, people were still chasing, like, what were the
Speaker 3: ratings last night? People were still talking about what the
Speaker 3: ratings were like, people were still talking about the ad dollars.
Speaker 3: People were still talking about very you know, quintessential, how
Speaker 3: we've made television for the past fifty years type of mindsets. Right,
Speaker 3: it was not super expansive. It was only starting to
Speaker 3: you know, social media was taking hold and there were
Speaker 3: conversations happening between shows or characters on shows or people
Speaker 3: on shows and the outside world. And then the most
Speaker 3: magical thing of all that came along was streaming. And
Speaker 3: so what I saw in the ten years I was
Speaker 3: there was this explosion of this show becoming multi generational
Speaker 3: in its watchers were in its viewers and it's yours
Speaker 3: where the right word is for that, but people watching
Speaker 3: it and then watching it again. So when you say
Speaker 3: you coming on to a juggernaut's like it was to me.
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was my dream come true
Speaker 3: to come onto the show, and.
Speaker 4: It became even bigger.
Speaker 3: So it's wild to me to sort of look at
Speaker 3: it now and just see the presence that it has.
Speaker 3: And again just like the you know, the mothers and
Speaker 3: daughters that come up and say, you know, or people
Speaker 3: who got into medicine because of it.
Speaker 2: Even the last two weeks we were I got Suiden
Speaker 2: something where this says we're in the top ten of
Speaker 2: streaming worldwide. Yeah wow, which is insane. Yeah yeah to
Speaker 2: still you know, yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 1: It's such a cool thing to be a part of.
Speaker 1: I went to the table read last week for this
Speaker 1: latest episode, and you know, first of all, like so
Speaker 1: cool to see everyone there. It's twenty one seasons in.
Speaker 1: The bar is so high. Everybody loves each other, everybody's laughing,
Speaker 1: everybody's giving this thing. They're all when they could be coasting,
Speaker 1: and like Debbie Allen goes to walk by and I'm like, hi, Debbie, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Sophia, but I just want to introduce myself. And
Speaker 1: she grabs me by the hand and goes, girl, I
Speaker 1: know who you are. And I was like yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and she started laughing at me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I just gasped in Debbie Allan's face, Am I okay?
Speaker 2: That what is wrong with me?
Speaker 1: And everybody was giggling, and I just was like, whoa.
Speaker 1: This is a really surreal experience and it's so cool
Speaker 1: that you all. It's just so cool what you all
Speaker 1: have built. It's really beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love and I love what you said, which is
Speaker 2: exactly how I feel when you're in our table reads,
Speaker 2: you can tell and then this hap on set. Nobody's
Speaker 2: phoning it in. Everyone's still twenty one seasons in giving
Speaker 2: it there all. We genuinely love our characters, and we're
Speaker 2: especially in this climate right now, so appreciative of just
Speaker 2: the work. And there's no I don't work with anybody
Speaker 2: that's kind of blase about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our sponsors that I
Speaker 1: really enjoy and I think you will too. Do you
Speaker 1: guys remember the first day you met on set?
Speaker 2: Do you know the story? No? Do you know that
Speaker 2: we you know we don't like each other. Stop, it's true, Sophia,
Speaker 2: I know you're a thing. You're looking at me thinking
Speaker 2: how could you not love me instantly? But Jessica did not.
Speaker 2: Jessica did not like me?
Speaker 1: What did she do?
Speaker 2: Exactly? There is there's a story about something I did.
Speaker 2: Can I tell it? Or are you going to tell it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think it's your turn.
Speaker 3: I think, but also at the I mean, we can
Speaker 3: completely tell the story. I think that that that the
Speaker 3: that the real takeaway is that I.
Speaker 2: Got to give her the juice, though, don't just give her.
Speaker 2: The takeaway is that now you love each other. I
Speaker 2: the takeaway.
Speaker 3: The takeaway is that you need to be a flexible thinker.
Speaker 1: Who was the inflexible thinker?
Speaker 2: Me?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I there we go. Okay.
Speaker 3: So I had been on the show for I guess
Speaker 3: like two or three seasons, and I had had my
Speaker 3: baby girl, and I came back to work really right away,
Speaker 3: and I think that I was dealing with a ton
Speaker 3: of different things that that that some others feel as
Speaker 3: well or not, who knows. I was like not in
Speaker 3: my body. I was super insecure about all things. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're where your brain is, and like was I gonna
Speaker 3: remember lines? And did I look the way that I
Speaker 3: wanted to look? And did I could I show up
Speaker 3: and not have my mind somewhere else? And just like
Speaker 3: all the things about like when you go to say,
Speaker 3: like when you tell work like I'm gonna go have
Speaker 3: a baby, but you have this weird thing that kicks
Speaker 3: in at some Pavlovian response to old cultural tropes, which
Speaker 3: is like, but I can still do my job, Like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a baby, but I'm gonna be exactly
Speaker 3: the same. I'll still be able to do my job,
Speaker 3: but you're like, oh, wait, no, I'm actually not at
Speaker 3: all the same person and I can still do my job,
Speaker 3: but how I do my job might be a little
Speaker 3: bit different, and I'll need to go a little easy
Speaker 3: on myself. And I was not yet in that mindset.
Speaker 3: I was not going easy on myself. And I think
Speaker 3: what we all know is that when you're not going
Speaker 3: easy on yourself, you likely aren't going easy on others.
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting how that works?
Speaker 4: Aha?
Speaker 3: Moment, so social media had just started, which I think
Speaker 3: I also was a little bit weary of, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you can just be captured in any moment people say
Speaker 3: things about you, not say things about you. Blah blah blah. Anyways,
Speaker 3: Camilla and I were working together.
Speaker 4: It was a large scene.
Speaker 3: We were all sitting around the cast chairs.
Speaker 4: We did not know each other very well. She was
Speaker 4: she loves this part, gorgeous and fun.
Speaker 3: And had this contagious laugh and everyone was so excited
Speaker 3: to work with her. And Shonda Raimes had gotten a
Speaker 3: food truck with burgers and I had gone out to
Speaker 3: go get one, and we were all.
Speaker 2: Sitting around and I tell the story from here.
Speaker 4: I mean, sure she can I'd like to take over.
Speaker 2: Please, if I'm may. I was sitting gorgeous, stunning, mining
Speaker 2: my own business in my cast here, glowing, and I
Speaker 2: Shonda Rhimes got a food truck. She got a Burger truck.
Speaker 2: I thought, I'll go outside and this is great. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna snap a picture and I'm gonna tweet it and
Speaker 2: say thank you Shonda for the burger truck. Right, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm still recurring, I think at this point. Right, So
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, gotta be thankful, grateful, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a polight thing to do. I snapped a picture,
Speaker 2: I did the tag, I put it on Twitter, and
Speaker 2: I sat back down in my seat, not thinking about
Speaker 2: anything else. This monster kind of storming in the story
Speaker 2: gets bigger, does it? Does? The storman does get exaggerated
Speaker 2: every time this volcano came in erupting. And she was like,
Speaker 2: who posted the picture? And what I truly did not know,
Speaker 2: truly is that she was at a sliver of the
Speaker 2: picture to the side was just like Capshaw motivoating like
Speaker 2: four burgers, and I did not know. I thought I
Speaker 2: was taking a picture of the truck. I didn't know.
Speaker 3: The family buck shots of burgers one shot, just one.
Speaker 2: She's doing burger shots and I posted it and she
Speaker 2: thought it was pure sabotage. I thought it was burger
Speaker 2: sabotage and she it was taking me down, Yes, and
Speaker 2: I really so. I deleted that so fast. And it
Speaker 2: was icy that first season, which is getting terrifying but
Speaker 2: also terrifying.
Speaker 3: Completely confusing, because I'm not an icy person, like you
Speaker 3: don't have to you don't have to meet me. I mean,
Speaker 3: I would like to know any other person that would
Speaker 3: just cry me as icy.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't describe you as icy now, But long story short,
Speaker 2: we hate each other stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah great?
Speaker 1: And then how did you become best friends? Because clearly
Speaker 1: now we're here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're here.
Speaker 3: Well, after that incident, I imagined a bunch of things
Speaker 3: about who she was.
Speaker 4: She probably imagined a bunch of things that I was.
Speaker 3: We told her that story on a loop, and to
Speaker 3: both of our defenses, there were multiple people around us
Speaker 3: that would say to each other, to each of us, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: she really is so great. I swear she really is,
Speaker 3: and so that those seeds have been planted. And then
Speaker 3: we'd organized a dinner we.
Speaker 2: Shared a bunch of mutual you know, cast and crew friends.
Speaker 2: We'd organized a dinner before a rap party and all.
Speaker 3: Go to and then go on to the party together
Speaker 3: and people a bunch of people couldn't make it.
Speaker 2: They canceled on us. Yeah, that's how popular we were.
Speaker 4: Just did you guys wind up on a date? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a sexy Hollywood off Hollywood Bulevard days was.
Speaker 2: A Catsuya Brentwood sushi date. Yeah, Holly, was it Hollywood?
Speaker 4: I remember, Holly.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, no it was it was Hollywood.
Speaker 2: And then we were forced to reconcile. But then we
Speaker 2: just loved each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Then it was done, all done, and then it was
Speaker 3: just yeah. And then I think that you know, when
Speaker 3: you're on shows like you can you can get along
Speaker 3: with everyone, you can, yeah, and you can, and you
Speaker 3: can respect people and you can you know, be able
Speaker 3: to work with them and everything else and friends even,
Speaker 3: but then there's like just certain people that you are
Speaker 3: like got it, like I get you, you get me
Speaker 3: and and and yeah, and I think that that that
Speaker 3: that happened, and then it really was like time and
Speaker 3: time again we showed up for each other because I
Speaker 3: would love to say, and I think that I don't
Speaker 3: think it's inaccurate to say that being on these shows
Speaker 3: is a dream come true.
Speaker 4: And what can also be true is it's a lot
Speaker 4: of work. It's a lot of work, and it's really hard.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of ups and downs, a lot of challenges,
Speaker 2: a lot of different personalities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't think about the fact that there's
Speaker 3: there's so many different worlds conspiring to make it happen, right,
Speaker 3: and so you're you know, everyone's on a different journey,
Speaker 3: but it's all for the same goal. And so it's
Speaker 3: like you don't know what people are going through and
Speaker 3: you don't know, you know, if you have no idea
Speaker 3: what's going on with the challenge, the craft he's dealing
Speaker 3: with today, or like, you know, the art directors that
Speaker 3: you know, having gotten you know, notes two hours ago
Speaker 3: that they're trying to make happen, you know, like this,
Speaker 3: and you know where the upm's head at is when
Speaker 3: they've already you know, they've just found out that they
Speaker 3: need to make something magical happen. And so you know,
Speaker 3: not every day is easy. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: it's it's work, you know, And to be in that
Speaker 3: kind of environment and know that you have, you know,
Speaker 3: a couple people that you can go to and and
Speaker 3: be and have an inflexible mindset and not have them,
Speaker 3: you know, and just be off with your.
Speaker 2: Head honestly, because in those days, you know where you
Speaker 2: just feel raw, yeah, and you just need to knock
Speaker 2: on that trailer door and just spill it all and
Speaker 2: know that it's not going to also go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, and be unreasonable and have a
Speaker 3: temper tantrum and go boneless and cry scream at the sky,
Speaker 3: you know, and have it actually be of no import
Speaker 3: five minutes later. It just needing to be something that
Speaker 3: you need to like get out.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I think it can be really hard because
Speaker 1: what you're really talking about is it's like the family
Speaker 1: dynamic right where you can you can get in a
Speaker 1: fistfight with your sibling and then twenty minutes later your
Speaker 1: best friends. Again, there is this kind of like deeply
Speaker 1: intimate familial experience you're having when you're on a set
Speaker 1: but you're with strangers, but you have to relate to
Speaker 1: each other almost like a family because you have to
Speaker 1: keep things really high functioning, but you also can't risk
Speaker 1: a fight or a misunderstanding, because then it'll derail the
Speaker 1: ship for not just the cast, with the whole crew.
Speaker 1: So what I think my friends and I have realized
Speaker 1: over all the years we've grown up together is that
Speaker 1: we spent a long time feeling like we were kind
Speaker 1: of in tandem, like maybe we're so super close or
Speaker 1: maybe we're strangers, and then we were like, oh no,
Speaker 1: there's best friendships and complexity and sometimes you want to
Speaker 1: punch someone. But if any anyone from outside the family
Speaker 1: said anything about anyone inside the family, even the people
Speaker 1: you might want to punch today, then you would punch
Speaker 1: the person outside. Like yeah, it's a crazy dynamic. And
Speaker 1: I think to your point, when you start to understand
Speaker 1: how to have really respectful acquaintanceships and then find like
Speaker 1: your real best friendships and everyone can love each other,
Speaker 1: it's like you've you've sort of won the lottery of humans.
Speaker 1: So congratulations a lot of winners.
Speaker 4: Yeah you did.
Speaker 2: No, it's so I agree with you, and it's it's
Speaker 2: such a hard thing to describe for people that have
Speaker 2: not experienced it, because also your job is to have
Speaker 2: chemistry with these people on screen, right, So it's like,
Speaker 2: maybe there is a day where you're like this, but
Speaker 2: I can't even look at this person. And yet then
Speaker 2: the next moment you got to really sell it. And
Speaker 2: your job kind of depends on selling that this. You're
Speaker 2: in this intimate strone and female male whoever, and you've
Speaker 2: got to make it work and it's and you can't
Speaker 2: bullshit it right because you can tell. So that's also
Speaker 2: just an element that's I don't know what other job
Speaker 2: you have to do that sort of specific mind gymnastics,
Speaker 2: emotional gymnastics sometimes with.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of incredible and kind of insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's yeah, all
Speaker 3: of it, isn't it.
Speaker 2: That's when we talked.
Speaker 3: About this, Yeah, I mean yeah, And there's just so
Speaker 3: many different touch points, you know, from when you you know,
Speaker 3: from when you wave aload of the security guard to
Speaker 3: when you're on set to when you're coming home. I
Speaker 3: mean I think you probably encounter upwards of fifty to
Speaker 3: one hundred people in a day, you know.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of all day more. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well we have just been Camilla and I have been
Speaker 3: together for seven days straight. Yeah, yeah, all the way
Speaker 3: from Palm Beach, Florida to New York to We've been
Speaker 3: in the countryside of New York and what are you
Speaker 3: guys doing having sleepovers at my house with my family.
Speaker 2: We had a convention like a women's you don't call
Speaker 2: it convention, like a summit, a summit. We had a
Speaker 2: summit and palm and Palm Beach that we also use
Speaker 2: as like a girl trip. It was a little work
Speaker 2: and play.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then my education. Instead of going back to Los
Speaker 2: Angeles because I'm not in the current episode, you just
Speaker 2: spoil it for me. Tell me what's happening. I have
Speaker 2: some things. I just came. I just went straight instead
Speaker 2: of coming back. I went straight to New York. Because
Speaker 2: she lives in the countryside.
Speaker 3: And the countryside and but her her her biggest wish
Speaker 3: was to watch a holiday movie with my girls.
Speaker 2: Can we all put on cozy holiday pajamas and watch
Speaker 2: a movie?
Speaker 4: And we did it, and we did it.
Speaker 2: It was very cozy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then she came and watched the girls ride horses
Speaker 3: and they just truly like my eight year old, who
Speaker 3: hadn't spent as much time with her, because the fourteen
Speaker 3: and twelve year old will grab my phone and text
Speaker 3: her and then they'll send each other videos and blah blah,
Speaker 3: and the eight year old just hadn't had as much crossover.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I wonder how this is gonna work.
Speaker 3: The Josie is gonna like I wonder if she's gonna
Speaker 3: feel like she's drafted along if I don't know if
Speaker 3: this three days will be what will it be like?
Speaker 3: And I was putting her to bed the night before
Speaker 3: Camilla left, and she looked at me with like the
Speaker 3: super super sweetest eight year old eyes and she said,
Speaker 3: does Camilla have to leave tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: We have fun. Oh. I felt like I was in
Speaker 2: Little Women, Sophie. I was, really, it really is like
Speaker 2: Little Women so cute. It was really super cute. Listen,
Speaker 2: I know how to. I have a seven year old girl,
Speaker 2: so I know how to. Yeah she doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to chow with a name girl.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 2: But you know, not everybody does that.
Speaker 3: I mean speaking to your point of like how you
Speaker 3: find your people, I mean, and you don't need to.
Speaker 4: I would be boring if everyone was the same.
Speaker 3: But it is so beautiful and unique to have a
Speaker 3: friend come in and be like family and just I
Speaker 3: mean asking questions really on their level and wanting to
Speaker 3: actually know what the answers are.
Speaker 4: And then now we're in the city, I told.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. I get it. It's like my
Speaker 1: best friend Hillary from my first show, her little girl is,
Speaker 1: She's mine, like weird besties. She sends me care packages,
Speaker 1: she draws me pictures how she is about to be six,
Speaker 1: and George is like, so yummy, and yeah, we just
Speaker 1: are obsessed with each other. And then George met my
Speaker 1: girlfriend and was like, Sophia will do games with me.
Speaker 1: And Ashland is a soccer player because George started playing
Speaker 1: soccer this year, and she, oh, for now from every game,
Speaker 1: she runs by Hillary and is like, send this to
Speaker 1: my girls, like on the.
Speaker 4: Video and I'm like, my girls, I die and.
Speaker 1: She's like, mom, are my girls coming over this weekend?
Speaker 2: So cute, Like truly the.
Speaker 1: What it has done to my soul, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I could die happy tomorrow goodbye.
Speaker 2: That's real cute.
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Speaker 1: almost forgot because basically I just want to talk to
Speaker 1: you and also make plans to tomorrow for holiday movies.
Speaker 1: But I do have a question that I actually ask
Speaker 1: everyone who comes on this podcast, okaychu is what for
Speaker 1: each of you? What is your work in progress?
Speaker 2: Oh? My god, what isn't Yeah, that is my work
Speaker 2: in progress?
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I love the question so much because it
Speaker 3: is so it's almost seems like it's it's only now
Speaker 3: really being talked about that this in this way right,
Speaker 3: that the two things can be true. You can be
Speaker 3: a masterpiece, and you can and you can look at
Speaker 3: the things that you've done well and be proud of
Speaker 3: them without you know, running the risk of sounding arrogant.
Speaker 3: Because we're stepping into a time where it's okay to
Speaker 3: be able to say I think.
Speaker 4: I did this really well.
Speaker 3: And then there's all these other things that are happening
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 4: They're like, I'm working on that, what's.
Speaker 2: Yours right now? I'm working on not futurizing with my kids.
Speaker 2: That's hard for me. And there's that that's really difficult
Speaker 2: for me. And I'm I'm trying to be more in
Speaker 2: the I mean, everyone says as I'm trying to be
Speaker 2: more in the moment, but I have a really hard
Speaker 2: time thinking ahead always and often worst case scenario. And
Speaker 2: so that's just something that I've done for Yes, that's
Speaker 2: something I've done for a while. And I especially when
Speaker 2: it comes to my kids, I actually think that sometimes
Speaker 2: it's not even giving them the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 2: in not in in theorizing that this is going to
Speaker 2: go terribly wrong, like have a little more faith in this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so maybe just so spiritually having a more a little
Speaker 2: more faith generally, and also not futurizing catastrophes, Yeah, would
Speaker 2: be really I mean, but like it's it's it's something
Speaker 2: that I do, and so I have to. You know,
Speaker 2: in therapy, I learned what story you're telling, what else
Speaker 2: is true, what's really true? You know, and that helps me.
Speaker 2: But that's that's gonna be my work in progress journey
Speaker 2: probably for maybe forever.
Speaker 4: And that's okay.
Speaker 2: And that's okay, that's okay. At least I'm working on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure. What about you?
Speaker 3: I take questions very seriously, by the way, That's why
Speaker 3: that long, prolonged pause.
Speaker 2: That's what I love about you.
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 3: That I am working on really believing that hope can
Speaker 3: serve as an anchor and a buoy, that hoping for
Speaker 3: things can help you stay super grounded in who you
Speaker 3: are and also allow for you to want more. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that I think is it seems like it's there
Speaker 3: are oppositional thoughts and forces, but I think that they
Speaker 3: can come together and be true at the same time.
Speaker 3: And the weaving in and out of them is really
Speaker 3: uncomfortable for me, you know. So that's something that I
Speaker 3: think I'm working on.
Speaker 2: I love that. Do we get to ask you that back?
Speaker 1: Sure? Oh gosh. I relate to what you talk about
Speaker 1: in terms of having a hard time not thinking about
Speaker 1: the future, and currently the question of hope is hard
Speaker 1: when I think about the future. But I also I
Speaker 1: just believe in us, and so I'm trying to commit
Speaker 1: to knowing, recording, you know, being as honest about what's
Speaker 1: going on around us as possible, and still believing in us,
Speaker 1: leaning on us, knowing that, you know, generations of women
Speaker 1: have come before us, have fought battles, and we're going
Speaker 1: to fight them for the generations of women that come
Speaker 1: after us. And like and in the midst of that,
Speaker 1: not to forget to be in love with my life,
Speaker 1: because it took me forty two years to be really
Speaker 1: really happy and to you know, look at the kids
Speaker 1: and the friends and the love in my life and
Speaker 1: go no matter what is going on, I'm still so
Speaker 1: lucky to be right here right now, and that the
Speaker 1: ability to hold the both and at the same time
Speaker 1: is my consistent practice and journey.
Speaker 2: I think I really relate to that. Yeah, I relate
Speaker 2: to that a lot. It's tough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1: But like when you think about you said, you know
Speaker 1: you might be thinking about what could go wrong. A
Speaker 1: friend of mine was like, every time you ask yourself
Speaker 1: or you think about what could go wrong, I just
Speaker 1: want you to ask yourself what could go right? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's a wild practice. And so that's that's definitely,
Speaker 1: you know, part of it for me.
Speaker 2: You know what's been really helpful to me is so
Speaker 2: far almost everything I've really worried about than one thing
Speaker 2: has not gone wrong in the way, like when it's
Speaker 2: come to like my family, so my sister. I always
Speaker 2: think about my sister. She's like Camilla, we have a
Speaker 2: track record of being like ninety nine percent wrong. So
Speaker 2: I hold on to that. Yeah, my futurize and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what though the forecast is yeah, probably wrong.
Speaker 2: What I'm thinking, Yeah, Like I'm a terrible Weatherman for
Speaker 2: my own life. And I'm okay with that because I
Speaker 2: alway I assume it's going to be cloudy and thunder
Speaker 2: on the weekend, you know, and I got to lean
Speaker 2: out of that. Yeah, it's real tough, though, it's very tough.
Speaker 4: I know. I so optimistic though, and I.
Speaker 2: Think you're very optimistic.
Speaker 4: I am. I am.
Speaker 3: Well, I just feel like I say it all the
Speaker 3: time because I feel like it's true. It's like everything
Speaker 3: will be okay in the end, and if it's not okay,
Speaker 3: it's not the end.
Speaker 4: Like there's just I think you just keep going.
Speaker 3: I think that's what what we what we connect over
Speaker 3: a lot too, is just being people that wather through
Speaker 3: our childhoods or our adolescents or our adulthoods. Like we
Speaker 3: just keep going. Like if you want someone to get
Speaker 3: up the hill with, We're gonna get up the hill.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know how. It might not be pretty,
Speaker 4: but we're going.
Speaker 2: We're going. We're going it.
Speaker 1: Well, ladies, we're going. And I'm clearly coming over for a.
Speaker 2: Movie perfect Yes, I haven't do it.
Speaker 1: Come on over, friends, I am having such a good
Speaker 1: time with Jessica, and come out. I am not ready
Speaker 1: to be done, so be sure to tune into part
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