1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: You know, you read leadership books and study and listen 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: and watch and observe and and really it does come 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: down to people. Every great organization is made up of 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: great people. You know. I think the way that Dick 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: has led here, Aussie has led here, in the familiarity 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: that you have with them. It's a family here and 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: we'll continue to operate in that fashion. You had a 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: radio show, and those tapes exists anywhere? Can we find 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: those somewhere in the Hampton archives. I'm sure they don't. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: They've been burned by now. The piece of advice that 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Steve gave me said, you know, Sash, I really want 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: you to come in at the end of the year. 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: I would like for everybody to say that they enjoyed 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: working with you. Welcome into the lounge, presented by DraftKings. 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: Free Agency rolls on. But we're gonna take a little 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: bit of a pause to talk to one of the 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: new uh big additions to the Ravens flock, and that 18 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: is our new team president, Sashi Brown. He's going to 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: join us today and we'll get to know him a 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: little bit better and ask him some of the questions. 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, the hard hitters, Big, I'm gonna put my 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: big journalists of Hat the big today. Oh yeah, you know, 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: whenever you're talking to your boss, you definitely want to 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: grill him. Yeah, it's a great first impression. No, he 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: you know. For for listeners who may not know, Sashi 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: has taken over for Dick Cass who's been here as 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: a team president for eighteen years. And uh, Dick is 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: retiring effective April one. So Sashi has been kind of 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: in this transition period for the last month, meeting with 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot of folks around the building and moving into 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: this role as a team president, and so it's, uh, 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: we're excited to introduce fans to him. He's gonna have 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: a very important role here for a long time. And so, 34 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: without any further ado, let's go ahead and jump to interview. 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: We are thrilled to have Sashi Brown here with us, 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: and uh, we gotta start off with the hard hitters here, Sashi. 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: That's how that's how it works in here in the 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: last All right, first question, this one's near and dear, 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: it's my heart. Can you promise that the peanut butter 40 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: grinder machine and the freshly Squeeze orange juice machine will 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: stay open and available to employees, not just players. This 42 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: is a big one now, all right, I've been fretting. 43 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: We will uh, We'll take all um suggestions and and 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sure this won't be my decision at the 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: end of the day. Any bribes are welcome. Well, you know, 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: we can grease those false Yeah, exactly. The truth here 47 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: is the peanut butter machine and the oranges machine haven't 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: been up and running since Sashi has come on board, 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know that he's you've truly kind of 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: experienced the full enjoyment of each of those. Yeah, So 51 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: the orange seemed definitely sounds like it's up my alley. 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know about this peanut butter grinder. Oh it's nice. 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: We'll see. I'm a big food fan, so I mean 54 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: you have that in your corner. All right. All nice 55 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: to be with you guys, Thank you, thank you. So 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: what is speaking of food, what's the hot stove report 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: on the cafeteria food so far? In your opinion, very good. 58 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: I love the staff first, Yeah, you know, it's always 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: great coming in there, and they're they're so welcome Anny 60 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: and the rest um and uh, and it's an awesome benefit, 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: you know, great of Steve to allow us to provide 62 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: lunches and UH and breakfast to the full staff. And 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: it's exciting to get the players are getting week by 64 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: weekly and closer to get the uh the group back in. 65 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Well nice part two if you work late enough dinners 66 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: available to so don't I mean I've hit that trifective 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: any times. Anytimes. It's a great benefit. Yeah, yeah it is. 68 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: So we got the food Lover, so I know this 69 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: probably could be its own separate podcast, so we could 70 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: launch its Food at the Castle. Yes, like we tried 71 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: to get Manny on he dodged this thuff. That would 72 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: be an episode. I would I would certainly tune in. 73 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: So just what has the transition been like for you 74 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: over the past month as you've moved into this new role. 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: It's been it's been fun to get back into kind 76 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: of NFL mindset. But but the best part has been 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: just meeting the people here and um, you know, I 78 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: think across the board, I've been impressed with with the folks, uh, 79 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the passion that they bring, uh, the way the group 80 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: works together has really stood out as well. Ums, you know, 81 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: across departments and uh, you know, that's been impressive and 82 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: and certainly said, see did go. He's been a guy 83 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: I've looked up to for uh several decades now, um, 84 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: and I know he's gonna be missed here. So the 85 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: first thing we should do is really pay tribute to 86 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: him and the steadiness and the teams he's built and 87 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: the um you know, I think the buy into you know, 88 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: the commitment two championship level operation of the organization and 89 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: keeping football first, treating people really well here. You know 90 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: that that worked for the Ravens and you know our 91 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: impact and commitment to the community has been tremendous, and 92 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: that really just you know, the whole organization steeped in 93 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: those those core values and in that mission. So we're 94 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: excited to get back post free agency. We got the 95 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: draft coming up. You know, players will be back here 96 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: soon with workouts and uh, I can't wait. I can't wait. 97 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: Fire it up. So I think the one of the 98 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: tougher things, and whenever you step into a new job 99 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: is remembering everybody's name. Do you have a trick for 100 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: doing so? I have a Facebook that is on my 101 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: desk and I try to go department by the department 102 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: daily to get up the cliff. And there's a lot 103 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: of people. So I'm getting there, And I said, you know, 104 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: I always judge myself by as I passed people in 105 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: the hallways, you know, out of ten, how many how 106 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: many am I naming? And that's a good romer. I 107 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: got a long way to go. How are you doing 108 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: on the Hey you you become really a dept at 109 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: that Great to see you, But no, it's it's it's 110 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: been good meeting everybody and and spend a lot of times, 111 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time so far in meeting um. And 112 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to sitting down with everybody in the 113 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: organization one on one in the coming month or two 114 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: as we head into the spring. So let's back up 115 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: just a little bit. You know, when did how did 116 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: Dick first reach out to you? And what was your 117 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of first impression when when you got the call 118 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: or the text or the email or whatever it was 119 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: to say, Hey, I'd like to talk to you. I'm 120 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: retiring and i'd like to talk to you about this opportunity. 121 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, Dick and I would stay in touch every 122 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: once in a while, maybe once a year, we'd speak, 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: bump into each other somewhere, or have occasion, UM, but 124 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: we didn't touch base much more often than that I had. 125 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: Dick and I really probably had more serious conversations late 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: in the year last year, um early and uh this 127 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: this first year, I think when they had a handle 128 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: on that he really was was committed to retiring and 129 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: that they wanted to make make a change. And so 130 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: we had a good conversation about, um, you know, what 131 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: was uh the organization's state of of of affairs and 132 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, what he was leaving behind, and what my 133 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: experience had been, my interests were professionally and whether there 134 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: was a fit. And it was a good open conversation, 135 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I came away with that, 136 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, certainly intrigued. Um. And and then the opportunity 137 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: to really come back to Dick with some questions of 138 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: my own about uh, the role, UM about Steve, who 139 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: I had met several times but hadn't spent a lot 140 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: of time with, just knew him by reputation, And once 141 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: I understood kind of how the organization operates and better 142 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: understood the role, became increasingly excited about it. UM. And 143 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: and you know, following you know, in Dick's footsteps that um, 144 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna be on solid ground, right so you weren't 145 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: coming into an organization um that that you know, was 146 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 1: was gonna need a lot of attention, fixing change because 147 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 1: Dick's just so steady, right, just leads through his character 148 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: and um, you know, as I said, you know, wisdom 149 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: and experience, and so the organizations in great shape and 150 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, we've got exciting platform from which to kind 151 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: of chase these championships moving forward. Now, I know you 152 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: enjoyed your time Monumental Sports and with the Wizards and others. Uh, 153 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, but was there any part of you that 154 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: that wanted to get back into the NFL. I know 155 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: you're you're focused on your job. I'm sure I'm not 156 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: trying to apply not but you know, the NFL is 157 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the NFL, Right, was there a part of you that 158 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: wanted to come back? You know, I grew up, you 159 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: know my my warnings. I was trying to dribble and 160 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: be Isaiah Thomas the afternoons. I was trying to be 161 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: Darryl Green. Um played basketball and football more than any 162 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: two sports, so they really are my two loves. Basketball 163 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: is in my family too, So my grandfather was coach 164 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: at Kentucky State back in uh, you know, the mid 165 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: twentieth century. And then my you know, growing up, I think, 166 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, my my, my family just always was around 167 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: in sports. I grew up in Some of my best 168 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: friends in life are guys that I started playing basketball 169 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: football with a three four or five years old and 170 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. So it's always been something that's been 171 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: a passion of mine. Um. But but as I've grown, 172 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: you know this, as I'd say, but my passion for 173 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: sports has become, um, you know, equally rivaled by my 174 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: passion for building great organizations and um. And I think 175 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: that combination is what you find here. Uh. And it 176 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: starts again, as I said, with Steve Bashati and and 177 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: his family, and and you know, I think it trickles 178 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: right on down through Assie and uh, John and Eric 179 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: and Dick Um and the rest of the leadership group here. 180 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: So we've talked about take a good amount of you know, 181 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: for listeners, you may not know this. You guys worked together, 182 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, your first job as a lawyer in Washington, 183 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: d c Um and it was the law from the 184 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: Dick Ran and you got to work you know, under 185 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: him and learn from him. And what were your impressions 186 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: of him? At that time, Like what did you take 187 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: away from working with him at that time? And then 188 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: just doesn't mean a lot to follow in his path, 189 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: you know here to Baltimore, it does. It has some 190 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: real meaning. And you know, you have a personal relationship 191 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: with Dick, so you want to make sure that you 192 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: know you're honoring his legacy with with continued steady and 193 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: and and innovative leadership, and certainly want to bring that 194 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: to the table. And I'm confident I can. Although I 195 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: won't fill all issues, I think I can get a 196 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: good amount of the way there and hopefully in Tim 197 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: fillmore Um. But yeah, it's it's, as I said, an honor, 198 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: I think, an honor to be affiliated with the organization, 199 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: an honor to take the baton from from Dick Um. 200 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: And he was one of the you know, great partners 201 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: in the firm that I joined, will mccutler Pickering back 202 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: in two thousand two when I finished up law school 203 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: and came here very deliberately to that firm, uh in 204 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: part because of the practice that that Dick had built 205 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: and he and I worked on you know, a handful 206 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: of transactions over the years that I was there. Before 207 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I went in the house too, uh, the Jaguars, which 208 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: was necessitated by the fact that Dick came here to 209 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: be president of Ravens. But learned a lot from him 210 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: watching him, uh, you know, being uh you know, trained 211 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: and working alongside him to as a young associate. Uh 212 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: and and very few young associates have a great sense 213 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: of what they're doing in the firm, So we're we're 214 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: like ducklings. And you you absorb a lot from you know, 215 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: the senior partners and and other more experienced lawyers in 216 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: the firm. And so he's someone who's had a major 217 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: impact on on my career. So so you were involved 218 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: at that time with Dick or with Steve Bashati purchasing 219 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: the majority stake of the Ravens, right, you helped work 220 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: on that. So what was your first impressions of Steve? 221 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: And I know you're talking about your boss right now. 222 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't see Steve a lot. I mean, 223 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, at the firm, we were pretty distanced. I 224 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: think I saw him at closing and uh and and 225 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: that was brief, and we had a very uh enormous 226 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: amount of paper for him to you'll you'll recall that 227 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: that Steve bought the Ravens and kind of two tronches, 228 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: and so it was that second tronche that that I 229 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: was involved with as a young associate. And I remember 230 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: the team that worked, and you know, Dick was the 231 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: management and relationship partner on it. But it was a 232 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: great experience. Um. And uh, just ironic that here I am, 233 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, twenty plus years later, um, in this in 234 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: this role and having this opportunity to work with Steve. Now, 235 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: I know Steve lakes to light up a cigar after 236 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: the draft as a little celebratory cigar. So are you 237 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: a cigar smoker? Up? I am not. You're gonna be 238 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: like me just coughing. I've been around enough smoking my 239 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: days that I think I'll cough to each his or 240 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: our own. By Everyone's got their vices, cigars aren't mine. 241 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: So can you just talk about you know what Steve 242 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: has talked to you about about kind of your year 243 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 1: one mission, what he wants to see you accomplish in 244 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: year one. Yeah, he gave me some great advice. You know. 245 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: We had a good conversation down at his home in 246 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Florida and laughed a lot and shared stories and experiences 247 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: and just philosophy generally, uh and was able to meet 248 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: the family there and see his home, and you know 249 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: how he conducts himself, and he's just so charismatic and 250 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: engaging with people, right, so that's the first thing that 251 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: jumps off the page. You know, he's just right into 252 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: like he's known you forever. Uh So, so that's very endearing. 253 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure I've heard this story, you know, 254 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: about thirty times since I've been here about people's first 255 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: impressions of Steve around the building. So that's that's a 256 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: great benefit to us, both and here with the the staff, 257 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: but also with the players when they come back to 258 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: because I think they know that he's got his back, 259 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: they he's got their back, and that he he does 260 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: in age with them and respects them as people first 261 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: and players second. Um So, So the piece of advice 262 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: that Steve gave me said, you know, Sash, I really 263 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: want you to come in at the end of the year. 264 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: I would like for everybody to say that they enjoy 265 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: working with you, which which is meaningful. And you know, 266 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: you read leadership books and study and listen and watch 267 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: and observe and and really it does come down to people. 268 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: Every great organization I've said this. I think I said 269 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: this in the town hall when first set, every great 270 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: organization is made up of great people. That's that's the 271 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: common theme. And you can have great ideas and great 272 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: processes and systems and intellectual property and technology, but at 273 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, it comes back 274 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: to the people and how they're able to work together. 275 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: And so uh uh that that has been and will 276 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: continue to be a point of emphasis for the Ravens 277 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: and for me present. You know, it's interesting. I've told 278 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: people this whenever they ask about what's like, what's it 279 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: like working for the Ravens, And it does feel in 280 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: a lot of ways like a small business. And that 281 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: seems almost entrary when you think NFL and it's so 282 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: public and it's so big, But in reality, like everybody 283 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: here knows each other's name and they and they, Um, 284 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: it just has that kind of family feel. And some 285 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: people have been here since met their wives here and husband. Yes, yes, 286 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of that. Yeah, So like is 287 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: that important for you? Like, we've grown a lot in 288 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: in the ten years that I've been here, We've grown 289 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: enormously in that time. Um, But but is it is 290 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: that kind of small business family atmosphere something that is 291 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: important to maintain even as the company and the business 292 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: all that continues to grow. I enjoy it, you know. 293 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: I think for different people it may it make it 294 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: to be something that they wouldn't enjoy. For me, I 295 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: I enjoy that. I enjoy more intimate relationships and settings. 296 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: I also think it makes us far more nimble UM. 297 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: But it's pretty consistent across professional sports. Seems there may 298 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: be a few that that feel large and more corporate UM. 299 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: But you know, I think the way that Dick has 300 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: led here, Assie has led here, in the familiarity that 301 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: you had with them, UM, John and Eric and Steve 302 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: hopefully is something that we can continue where it feels 303 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: again as much as as as a business, it's a 304 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: family here and UM and will continue to to I 305 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: think operate in that fashion. Uh. Certainly the public UM. 306 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, footprint of the Ravens is enormous, right national, 307 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: international in many ways, but at the end of the day, 308 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: it's about you know, three people coming together to win 309 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: football games, UM and provide great fan experiences and and 310 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: so you get a chance to know not only the 311 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: individual colleagues but their families. Two over the years, and 312 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: that is special and throughout my time and I've worked 313 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: for you know, several different sports organizations in two different 314 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: leagues now and and the relationships with the people are 315 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: the thing that that lasts and that you remember. Now, 316 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: you wear a lot of hats as a team president, 317 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna read them all off the paper here, 318 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: so make sure I don't miss any. Okay, So you 319 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: oversee all business areas of the organization, including finances, budgeting, 320 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: non football personnel, corporate sales, operations, communications, and business ventures. 321 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: So my question is which is your favorite department? Broadcast 322 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: and podcast? There we go. Yeah, just personally fishing for 323 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: the compliment. Um, no, great people. Yeah, it's it's a um, 324 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: it's quite the scope. And again, I think the only 325 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: way you could do a job like that is to 326 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: have great people underneath you. And so I've been really 327 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: warmed by all the leaders I've met and their teams 328 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: as well. Um, and so every day is different. It's 329 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: always something that comes up, keeps me on my toes 330 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: and I'm not sleeping too well. And well, now you 331 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: know our boss Michelle Andres. You you met her back 332 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: when you were working for the Jaguars, and they sent 333 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: you up here to Baltimore to kind of pick her 334 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: brain about the digital media operation up here. So what 335 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: were your takeaways then about the operation that we run 336 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: here and how did they influence you? Yeah, I think 337 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: the first thing I noticed this man, they're doing this 338 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot better than we were in Jacksonville at the time, 339 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: and we wanted to try to get up to speed. Uh. 340 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: So Michelle was kind enough to reply to an email 341 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: and phone call and invite me up to uh to 342 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: to the castle here. Um, and we had we spent 343 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: about a half a day, uh and just understanding and 344 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of her philosophy and the organization's 345 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: philosophy and their investment in this space right that was 346 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: new to all of us, and that we are figuring out, 347 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: and that teams are still an organization is still trying 348 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: to figure out. As social media has erupted and become 349 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: almost the h the primary form of communication and information dissemination. 350 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: So it's a powerful tool. Um, it was then. I 351 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: don't think any of us understood it certainly well as 352 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: as we do today. And Michelle was at the forefront 353 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: then and she's at the forefront now. Uh. And I 354 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: think when you look at our programs and the way 355 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: we're able to engage and provide information and insights to 356 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: the flock out there, uh, it's it's it's a great 357 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 1: asset for us and something that will continue to invest in. 358 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: So uh um, you know, I think when I when 359 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: I came up from Jacksonville, we were very much at 360 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: the uh the initial stages of understanding that. And I 361 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: think learning from you know, your peers is something that 362 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: uh that that if you're humble enough, can can be 363 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: a great boon to your career and to your organization's success. 364 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: And and uh I was able to do that. And 365 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: and that wasn't the only time I came to Baltimore 366 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: to learn a little bit about to get better more 367 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: quickly than I thought I'd be able to organically. Now 368 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: I heard you say you're going to continue to invest 369 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: in digital media. I'm loving this already. You're already well 370 00:19:53,600 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: goal of making friends, you know, like I U. I'm 371 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: curious of your role of your view of analytics. I 372 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: think that I think from an outside perspective, when you 373 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: were in Cleveland, it was analytics came up as a 374 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: buzzword a lot, you know, something that that you were certainly, 375 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: you know, a proponent of UM and valued like an 376 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: analyst is a big word that means a million different 377 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: things to different people. I'm just curious how you view 378 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: the role of analytics in terms of shaping you know, 379 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: organizational decisions. Yeah, um, yeah, I've talked about this over 380 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: the year. Is quite a bit. Um. Somehow I've gotten 381 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: labeled as the analytics guy. I think is quite the misnomer. 382 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: And the folks I know from that, our data scientists 383 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: and true folks that that I think come from that discipline, uh, 384 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: laugh at it with me, but I was so so 385 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: let me start kind of my philosophies. I think when 386 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: you have complicated systems and big decisions to make, you 387 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: want the best information and that information can come from 388 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: a lot of different sources. And increasingly, over the last decade, 389 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: UM big data has been you know something that that 390 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: you know has been quite insightful. And you know, from 391 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: my time in Cleveland when I think that label got started, 392 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, my job from the ownership group there, but 393 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: also my personal philosophy was let's just get the best 394 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: information on the table to be able to support the 395 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: decisions that we need. To make and that can come 396 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: from right and should come from a variety of sources 397 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: and not simply from from one discipline. I do think 398 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: one of those disciplines can be if you have a 399 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: good robust system in place and good people in place. 400 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: UM can come from from data and analytics, certainly, but 401 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: that shouldn't exclusively govern any or dictate any decisions. So 402 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: I'm a believer in it UM as I'm a believer 403 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: in you know, scouting and coaching insights UH and and 404 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: so you know, I think it's certainly something that you know, 405 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: the Ravens have have gotten very good at UH. And 406 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: you know it's proliferated across all you know, different corners 407 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: of the economy UM and industries. But but sports, because 408 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: it's measured right so so well down to the tenth 409 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: of a second word of ball and everybody on the 410 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: the court is in in in basketball or on the 411 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: field and baseball and football. We have all this information 412 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: that can you can pull insights from UM, but it 413 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: can be overwhelming at the same time, so you really 414 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: have to have, you know, a good understanding of it 415 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: and enough humility about all the information that's being brought 416 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: to bear on a decision, right, So you bring up 417 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: the Browns. You work there for five years. Your role 418 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of evolved there the last two years being the 419 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: de factor general manager. They're making personnel decisions, and you 420 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: made a lot of tough decisions there. Uh. And you 421 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: at the same time stockpiled a lot of ammunition, uh 422 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: in terms of draft pay, in terms of salary cap space, 423 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: and and as a result, you know, you guys took 424 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: some lumps. The Browns took lumps during that time, but 425 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: you kind of like you set them up, not kind 426 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: of you set them up to be in a position 427 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: to have a very talent rich roster, which they have now. Uh. 428 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: And then things ended unfortunately, well fortunately for us now 429 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: things work out, yes, exactly. How do you look back 430 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: on that time and how it shaped you as an 431 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: executive and as a person. Yeah. I think the first 432 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: thing is um and and my kids went to school 433 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 1: outside Cleveland, and one of the big things that they 434 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: would come home and it just struck me is their 435 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: their school had this model of be a risk taker, 436 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: risk taker, and they would come home really excited and 437 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: someone would fall off a bike and bump their head. 438 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: And I was a risk taker, pick Ellison a robust 439 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: sent up and put them back on the bike and 440 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: off they go. But but but I would say, I think, 441 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, individually, UM, you shouldn't be afraid to challenge 442 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: yourself and take on challenge is and UM, you know, 443 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: something that took a bit of convincing to to to do. UM. 444 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: But it was a great experience for for me to 445 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: lead number one UM. But but also to you know, 446 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to do something that that may never 447 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: come around again, you know, my career UM. And so 448 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, I think we all went in thinking that 449 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: we were all on the same page and interstood what 450 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: the plan was, and we quickly figured out that wasn't 451 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: the case. And you know, I won't speak much more 452 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: on it. I haven't spoken publicly about it, UM, just 453 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: because I think it's hard and there's a lot of 454 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: feelings about it UM from the fan base and the organization. 455 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: It's best to kind of move on UM. But but 456 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: but I take a lot away from it, and I think, 457 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: going back a bit in our conversation today, I think 458 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: the thing that I was most proud of there is 459 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: that we built a front office that was really talented 460 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: and innovative, and diverse, uh and full of of high 461 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: character people, a number of which are are of whom 462 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: are are still there today and that I stay in 463 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: touch with. And so again it came back to the people. 464 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: And I still stay in touch with a number of 465 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: the players that uh you tampering, still stay in touch 466 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: with a number of players that we drafted and signed 467 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: there um and um, they're doing all sorts of things, 468 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: many of whom are still playing and playing at a 469 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: high level across the league. Um. But but some of 470 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: them are out of the league, and I stay in 471 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: touch with so um those relationships you know last uh 472 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, a lifetime and uh so so I think 473 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: both the professional experience and personal relationships were important to 474 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: me and um, and I would not change the experience. 475 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: You bring up diversity, and you know this is another 476 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: significant you know, talking point right now. And you're the 477 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: second black president in the NFL, along with Jason right 478 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: from Washington. What does that mean to you personally? It's 479 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: a good it's a good question. I'm not sure I've 480 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: stepped back to to contemplate that at um, probably as 481 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: much as I should have. UM, but uh, but I 482 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: would say I think it's it's notable. I think, first 483 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: of all, there's UM one, it's it's an indication that 484 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: we're not we haven't progressed as much as we should 485 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: as a league. Right. That shouldn't that just shouldn't be 486 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: the case that we're sitting here in two thousand and 487 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: in twenty two now, right, UM, with with the ability 488 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: to only look back at you know, a couple and 489 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: it's been you know, if we went back eighteen months 490 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: would be zero. UM. You know, African American presidents and 491 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: across the league's got a lot of work to do. Um, 492 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: Like society has a lot of work to do. Uh. 493 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: And so I know there's commitment from the NFL. I 494 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: know there's commitment from the ownership group. UM. And you 495 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: know Ozzy meant so much just seeing Ozzie did and 496 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: I know so many of the other general managers across 497 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: the league UM that that I would speak to that 498 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: are you know African American and then look at that example, UM. 499 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: And as you as as my experience has been in 500 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: senior leadership roles, I also spend a lot of time 501 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: with folks you know, on the staffs in the organizations 502 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: that I'm part of, UM. And men and women who 503 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: you know are minorities have come up to me consistently 504 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: and said, you know, I know I don't work for you, 505 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: but it just means a lot to see you in 506 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: that position. UM. So you know you take that seriously. 507 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: And and the first thing is you want to do 508 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: an excellent job, right uh and and and so it 509 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: takes on a little bit more meaningful you um. And 510 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: so you know you're you're proud of that. But my 511 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: father grew up during it from a color of waterfoulain. 512 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: So in my lifetime to see you know, um, you 513 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: know kind of the progress that's been made, it's meaningful. Um. 514 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: And it's something that um, that that I'm proud of 515 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: and grateful for the opportunity. Do you think you know 516 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: you're one of thirty two in this leadership position that 517 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: you're in. Is that something that you kind of want 518 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: to carry that torch to league meetings and whatnot and 519 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: push for you know, look, we've we've made some progress 520 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: in some ways, but in terms of coaching, in terms 521 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: of in terms of front office diversity, like you said, 522 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: we have ways to go still, you know, is that 523 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: kind of a mission for you to say, hey, we 524 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: need more diversity in the upper levels of the NFL. 525 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: I think so I think, you know, first going back 526 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: to the central point of like why diversity, you know, 527 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: and and we talked about excellence in championship, uh, chasing 528 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: championships here, and I just don't think if you look 529 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: across and you say, hey, we're trying to get the 530 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: most talented people, and you look across a staff and 531 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: there's no women, no Latinos or what happened whatever the 532 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: representation is, you know, black Asian? What have you that 533 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: that you that you're being honest with yourself in terms 534 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: of being you know, finding the right talent out there. Um. 535 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: And so I think you know, diversity is about excellence 536 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: at its core, um and and so you certainly want 537 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: to do that. And I think we all have in 538 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: our responsibilit you know, finished up Hampton and Hampton. You know, 539 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: they taught us a phrase. You know, it's it's pretty 540 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: common I think amongst a lot of HPCs and within 541 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: the black community, which is left as you climb um, 542 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: which is you know, as as you were sent that 543 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: you have a responsibility reach back and make sure the 544 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: others coming behind you have some of the opportunities or 545 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: you're paving a little bit easier away from for for 546 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: things that are coming behind you. And so that's certainly 547 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: something that's uh, you know, I think important to Steve, 548 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: was important to Dick and and Ozzie and Eric and 549 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: John as well, and so we will we will absolutely, 550 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, make that a core piece of what we're 551 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: out here at the Ravens and continue that so asily 552 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: before we finished up here, I want to you shared 553 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: this with us when we met with you as a group, 554 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: that when you were in college, this whole this this 555 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: radio podcasting thing isn't necessarily new to you. Okay, So 556 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: when you were in college, the podcast is the same. 557 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of similarities where you're going. Yes, 558 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: so this is what I get for sharing. So you 559 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: had a you had a radio show. I did and 560 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: it was slow Jams, well my primary radio okay, okay, okay, 561 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: was it afternoon jazz show? Okay? All right? Yeah? Yeah? 562 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: And then I did uh color and a little bit 563 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: of play by play for both football and basketball teams 564 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: at Hampton. And then you started working for ESPN. You 565 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: worked for them for a little bit, right, I did, 566 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: I did, I did but I know where you're going. Well, now, 567 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: I just you know you had so you had the 568 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: slow Jams. SOO, so is there anywhere we're gonna hear 569 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: it those tapes exist anywhere? Can we find those somewhere 570 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: in the Hampton archives? I'm sure they don't eve been 571 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: burned by now, and I'm still a trust you there, 572 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: so it'll be a heck to pay if. Um No, 573 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: I did on occasion. You know, obviously students have finals 574 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: and things like that. So the guy that did the 575 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: slow Jam show called me a couple of times. He said, hey, 576 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, I need to study. I didn't do my show, 577 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: and um, you know, it was like, I can't remember 578 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: exactly what the show was called, um, but it was 579 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: appropriately named. My job was to go play kind of 580 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: slow jam show from from like nine to eleven at night. 581 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: Um yeah, And now I had one other one. So 582 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: you grew up in Boston. Just a little bit about 583 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: your background. You're born in Boston, grew up in Northeast. 584 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: Uh so growing up. Don't say it's so Tom Brady fan. 585 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean you're only a year older than Tom. No. 586 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: Tom and I met for the first time at a party. 587 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: I think he was just a young Patriot at the time. 588 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: Um and um. We had some mutual folks and uh, 589 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: I was not a fan of the Patriots growing up. 590 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: I actually grew up most of my grow up was 591 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: in Connecticut, so I had other than the Hartford Whalers, 592 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: and the Yukon of Huskies had no local team, and 593 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: the Patriots at that point weren't quite the dominant New 594 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: England team that everybody grew to love. So I grew 595 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: up a Washington fan, Washington football team, Washington Commander's fan. Uh, 596 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers, Montreal Canadians, and when the Whalers moved, um, 597 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: Whalers part of that in Yukon Huskies, those with those 598 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: are my teams. Basketball is all over the place. I 599 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: like players more than anything. But I was the Lakers, Lakers, 600 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: Sixers fan, a little bit everything, A little bit everything 601 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: all over the place. Now now, uh pre kids for me. 602 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: I used to we used to get down there and 603 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: play some basketball down the courts down there. This is long. 604 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: You can probably tell looking at me it's been a 605 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: little while since I played. But when you're ready, I mean, 606 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: there's an open invitation. I'll get back on the court. Sashi, 607 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: when you come back on the court and we'll play well, Um, 608 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: that that does not mean good things for your basketball playing. Um, 609 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: And I don't mean. It's been a long time since 610 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: I've been on a basketball court, seriously, and it will 611 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: be a long time before I get back on there. 612 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: If you don't need to be serious a bit, we 613 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: can play a little horse, A little horse, all right, 614 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: we can do that. After we play well, we'll we'll 615 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: announce the result. Yeah, exactly. I'll be the judge. I'll 616 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: be the arbiter here. The jump shot is not I'm 617 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: strictly a rebound. You miss a lot, you get a 618 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of opportunity for offensive rebounds. I know what that means. 619 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: You like to people. That's awesome, White, thank you so much. 620 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: We're really excited to have you here. We appreciate the time. 621 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: We know you're a very busy guy, and thank you 622 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: for stopping my launch today. Fun to be here, and 623 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. Look forward to the next time. Well, 624 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: great stuff from Sashi. I'm sure we'll be seeing him 625 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: on the the court here pretty soon. I can you know, Antonia, 626 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 1: he didn't really know about the peanut butter yet. Once 627 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: that comes back. He didn't see that interested in the 628 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: peanut butter though maybe he's not, maybe he's not a 629 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: big butter guy. Didn't It didn't sound to me like 630 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: he was making that a top priority on his list. 631 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: That should have been a follow up question, are you 632 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: a peanut butter guy? The four the four food questions? 633 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: You had told a lot more that that wasn't enough, 634 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: had across the had a lot more in the chamber there. Okay, 635 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: but once he tries it though, he could become a 636 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: peanut butter guy. I mean, mind blow Just that's true 637 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: mind blowing. So all right, we're gonna give you some 638 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: thoughts on free agency here and answer your questions from email. 639 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: But before they do that, before we do that, we 640 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: want fans to know that the sports landscape is ever 641 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: changing and this week is no different. Draft Kings is 642 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 1: the leader in daily fantasy sports that still has daily 643 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: fantasy contests running for those who are looking to have 644 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: skin in the game. So that's simple. Each player has 645 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: a salary associated with drafting them. You can dissemble a 646 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: lineup of players while staying under the salary cap, and 647 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: then you sit back and you watch your points pile up. 648 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: So what you need to do is you down to 649 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: the Draft Kings app today and sign up using the 650 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: code flock. New users will get a free entry with 651 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: their first deposit. Again, the code there at DraftKings is flocks. 652 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: Get that done today. We have a question at the 653 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: uh in the mail bag? We don't really it's not 654 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: the mail but that's a different thing. You want to 655 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: excuse people. There is the mail bag. We have a 656 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: name for it, right you send us an email. You 657 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: can always email us at the lounge at Ravens dot 658 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: NFL dot net. This one comes from Riley Runnberg, and 659 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: Riley says, something, boys, I like that good day. It's 660 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: my favorite podcast host Ryan and Garrett. I should probably 661 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: throw a shout out to Cliff Brown as he keeps 662 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: filling in for you guys and doing a fantastic, fantastic job. 663 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: Shout out to Clifton, he says. Riley says, hope everything 664 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: is going well on your on your end, been loving 665 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: the offseason podcast episodes? Uh, he says. Now he's got 666 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: a couple of questions. With Morgan Moses coming into the squad, 667 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: is he good enough to be the day one right 668 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: tackle starter opposite Ronnie. But that being said, is John 669 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: James someone who can move to left guard or are 670 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: we still are we still have our hopes high for 671 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: Big Country Bank Cleveland Unless we draft the center, it's 672 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: probable that McCarry fills in for that in that role 673 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: to start the year. So what's gonna happen with Jown 674 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: James possibly with the lift guard? What do you think? Well, 675 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: the first question, is Morgan Moses gon to be the 676 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: starting right tackle? Yes? I expect him to be the 677 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: day one starter. As he got yeah, he got a 678 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: question about that, like are you ready to compete for 679 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: the right tackle role? It is opening press cups and 680 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what I know? I mean what 681 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean the office he was signed to be the starter. Yeah. 682 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: And and also the offensive line coach Joe d was 683 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: sitting up there at the press carverence too and said 684 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: he can step in right away at right tackle. So 685 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: Morgan Moses is going to be the right tackle unless 686 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: unless there were to be you know, unless Ronnie were 687 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 1: not to be ready, and then they're if they're shuffling 688 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: or anything like that. But but Morgan Moses is gonna 689 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: be a starting tackle on the softense line. Now what's 690 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: that mean for Jown James. I think that it's been 691 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: shown over the years many many times that you have 692 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: to have a good swing tackle, right, that that third 693 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: number three offensive tackle is a very important job on 694 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: a football team and one that I'm only to you know, 695 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: spend a little money on too. I'll throw it back 696 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: to my guy, James Hurst, because I always do. I mean, 697 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: he played a lot of snaps, right, and he was 698 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: never penciled in that I recall is like the week 699 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: one starter necessarily, you know, so he was starting, Yeah, 700 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: he was starting left guard, he was right, um, but 701 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: not a tackle. So but he played a lot of 702 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: snaps to tackle during his tenure. So to me, I'm 703 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: comfortable with John James being that guy. He's got experienced, 704 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: he knows, you know, he's a good player. Um. And 705 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: now there's still questions. He hasn't played football in a 706 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: long time. So he's got to come out you know, 707 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: in in spring and over the summer and training camp 708 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: improved that you know he's ready to go, which I 709 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: expect that he will. So yeah, I mean to me, 710 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: that's the offensive line is is certainly still in flux here. 711 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: It's not settled by that, and you could draft somebody 712 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: high you're taking one of the first round. I don't 713 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: think you're coming off. But but on James, like John James, 714 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 1: Like I know we've gotten a ton of questions about 715 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: him since the Ravens signed him, and he could turn 716 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: now to be still a really good player, But I 717 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: think that with him, like it's still very much await 718 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: and see in my mind, like he hasn't played football 719 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: in what three years? He missed this entire year with 720 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: the Achilles, So like I'd like to see before we're 721 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: saying like, oh, this guy is gonna be here, we're 722 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: gonna move him now. Now we're talking about moving him 723 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: to guard, Like there's still like I want to see 724 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: the guy on the field in a in a practice 725 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: before we're making any sort of assessments. Well, he had, 726 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: according to Jeff three back five thousand dollar roster bonness 727 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: that triggered on Tuesday. So that plays a part in 728 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: this to me, the fact that you know he's still around, 729 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: but the Ravens could have potentially moved on from him 730 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: and saved some space on the salary cap. But once 731 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: that triggers, to me, that's an indication of Yeah, he's 732 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: here to stay, like he's going to be part of 733 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: this mix. Yeah, I think I think he'll be part 734 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: of the mix. I also think with McCarry, like you know, 735 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: depending on what happens with center, I think McCarey. One 736 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: of the best things about mcarey. He's a super sub. 737 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: He's a backup for all right now, he's the starting 738 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: center in my opinion, Yeah, right now, well he has Yes, 739 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: he could be the starting center. Cologne could be the 740 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: starting center. Rookie could be the starting center. J C. 741 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: Treaders and somebody that we've talked about. So but but 742 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: if McCarry is not the starting center, man, he's super stuck. 743 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: He can put back up all five offensive line positions, 744 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: right and then you have he him and John James. 745 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: Really as to super subsimccarry really is any of the 746 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: interior spots, probably your top guy. Now the Ravens have 747 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: a number of Tyree Phillips, let's not forget about him. 748 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: He's going to factor into that mix and in the 749 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: competition of left guard. I do think that Ben Cleveland 750 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the day is if I'm just 751 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: handicapping it right now, is probably I'd say he's probably 752 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: my Week one starter at left guard, but I think 753 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good That'll be one of the 754 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: better competitions in my opinion in training camp will be 755 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: left guard between Ben Cleveland, Uh, Tyree Phillips and let's 756 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: not forget about Ben Powers. He's played a lot of 757 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: games too. Yeah. So again, the offensive line is still 758 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: very much under construction, not settled by any means. Riley 759 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: has another question here. He actually he's got probably five more. 760 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: You gotta pick one more from Riley. He says signing 761 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: Marcus Williams is a humongous in All Caps move. He says, 762 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: depending on Marcus and Marlin's health, we could have the 763 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: most dominant secondary in the league. Do you think going 764 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: cornerback early is smart in the draft? Personally, I think 765 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: we need to go d line or edge rusher with 766 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: our first round pick. Uh. He said he liked David Jabo, 767 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: but he had a recent injury. It's pro day. Well, 768 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: you've been talking corner for a while. Now is the 769 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 1: first round option? So pounding that drum. So yeah, we'll 770 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: double down on that. I still think, uh, cornerback in 771 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: my opinion, would be the most likely pick. Derek Stingley 772 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: Trent mcdufie would be two of the names. Obviously. Sauce 773 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: Gardner would I think be a dream pick. I don't 774 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: think that he makes it to fourteen. I'm now I'm 775 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: seeing my guy Drey mom Walker mocked at number two. 776 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: I know I saw him, actually I saw I think 777 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: Mel had him at six in his latest drafts. Number two. 778 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: Now this is getting out of control. Well, you've already 779 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: taken him a fourteen, so you can't come on, You've 780 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: already have taken him a fourteen. So anyway, I think 781 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: I certainly think it could be a cornerback. I mean, 782 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: you look back to when Marlon Humphrey was drafted, Like 783 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: I've said before, you know, it wasn't that the Ravens 784 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: had even opening a starting spot then when they drafted 785 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: Marlin Humphrey. But obviously that was a great pick and 786 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: he became that guy. Right now, Yeah, they don't have 787 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: a starting in air quotes, you know, one of the 788 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: two cornerbacks position open, but you have to have you 789 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: really have to have at least three very high quality cornerbacks, 790 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: especially in this division, to compete. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so 791 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule it out. Um, so I think that 792 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: that is certainly possible. So as always, you can email 793 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net 794 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: let us know what questions you have around free agency. 795 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: Also the draft as obviously right around the corner, So 796 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: sending the questions that you have, and we'll be working 797 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: on another guests too. We got a couple of coals 798 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: in the fire on there's other rights, correct phrase there, 799 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: I think so okay, yeah, well you had to retape this. 800 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: We got two chances at it, and I started with 801 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: the same one. I think you got it. Okay, alright, 802 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 1: gare So we're working on that. We'll keep you posted 803 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: on whether we're able to guess embers in the fire. Well, 804 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: coals and embers are kind of the same thing, right, 805 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: Embers shoot off. But this is not good for hopefully. 806 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: Sashi turned it off after his interview. He was like, yeah, 807 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: I sounded great. I'm turning this off, um, But we're 808 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: working on some other guests. And again thanks to Sashi 809 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: for joining us. Hope fans enjoyed to get to know 810 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: him a little bit. So thanks for listening and we 811 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: will talk with you again soon.