1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: A lot of times when you hear about our story, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: you don't really get what we went through or how 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: we were impacted by it. A lot of things that 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: were shown on TV was the negative, right because the 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: negative is definitely what sells, you know. But me and 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: my sister and my brother, there were no complaints with 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: our childhood. We had the best time of our lives. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: When we lived in Washington State with our parents. We 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: got everything that we wanted. We were never without um stability, 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: emotional stability. We we have friends, we have family night. 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: My my mom. She would record so much home videos. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: Even if we don't even remember, we have videos where 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: it shows that we had a great bond with each 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: other and that we were loved, We were comforted. He 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: was like great dad, goofy. There were silly times, and 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: even in the silly times, there was still loving it 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: and hope you know everything, beautiful lady An. I'm Tony 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: Harris on this bonus episode of Monster d C Sniper 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: my conversation with Selena and Taliba, the daughters of John 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: and Mildria Mohammed. Selena and Taliba both live in Maryland 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: outside d C. I spoke with him over zoom I 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: want to take a half a step back, and I'm 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: going to have each of you introduce yourself, right, I 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: want you to tell me your name, and then just 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: describe yourself and your own words. I'm Taliva. I would 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: say that I'm bubbily, I'm goofy, but also enjoy being 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: very stubborn and also um lively. I am Selena, and 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: I am very direct. What you see is what you get. 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: I am the type of person that does not like 30 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: to judge the other person, and it's very open to 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: helping anybody that I can. Selena and Taliba, along with 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: their older brother, John Jr. Were born in the early 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: nineties while their father was still serving in the army. 34 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: Selena is the middle child. She's now eight, Taliba is six. 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: They spent most of their early childhood in Washington State. 36 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: So I've got two kids that I I love, you know, 37 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: to the ends of the earth. And you know I'm 38 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: not with their mom, who is an amazing woman. Right. 39 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: I want to understand from your perspective how you would 40 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: describe life in the Williams slash Mohammed household growing up. Oh, 41 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: it was a ball. We had the time of our 42 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: lives when we were young. I mean like sight seeing 43 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: the carnival Um. It was great. Yeah. We also with 44 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: our neighborhood friends too. Don't let us snow we're having 45 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: snow fights or having we're building snowman. It was he was. 46 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: He was everything that you could picture a father to 47 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: be with. What are dad was to us. He was 48 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: not some monster. He was not anything that the media portrays. 49 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: He couldn't feel the load that he had for his 50 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: children when you saw him. Even when he was disciplining us, 51 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't negative towards uh, like the next 52 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: week or so like. He would counter it with positivity 53 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: and fun and just a lesson to be learned. They 54 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: never suspected anything was wrong in March of two thousand, 55 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: when John picked them up from their elementary school, drove 56 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: them to the airport and flew them to Antigua. Selena 57 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: was ten and Taliba was eight. They still don't feel 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: comfortable speaking publicly about this period of their life, about 59 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: what happened in Antigua or their relationship with Lee Boyd Malvo, 60 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: But in August two thousand one, authorities found them living 61 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: with their father and a homeless shelter in Bellingham, Washington. 62 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: They were then reunited with their mother, Mildred, who brought 63 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: them to Maryland, where they once again started a new life. 64 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: Despite this instability in their childhood, Selena and Taliba say 65 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: that most of the memories they had of their father 66 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: were positive. Mildred had sheltered them from John's frightening behaviors, 67 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: and they were too young to realize how unusual their 68 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: situation was. But the turbulence wasn't over. A little over 69 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: a year later, when Taliba was ten and Selena was twelve, 70 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: the d C sniper attacks began in Maryland. I remember 71 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: a time where I was walking home from school and 72 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: I was looking for the white box jut and I 73 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: was looking around and I just remember just booking it. 74 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: I just remember just taking off ning straight to home 75 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: because that scared t acting was also in us too, 76 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: and their lives were flipped upside down again when their 77 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: father and Lee Boyd Melville were arrested and named the 78 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: DC Snipers. When we found out that our dad was 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: the one that was gonna be named the sniper, and 80 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: we cried from the time FBI knock on our door 81 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: and told us to the time that they showed it 82 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: on the news. We were moving that entire time, like hours. 83 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: We were We packed stuff, we got in a car, 84 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: we got driven to a hotel. We had to figure 85 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: everything out. Taliba and Selena were shocked by their father's arrest, 86 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: but before they could even process the situation, their family 87 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: was thrust into the spotlight. We had to get put 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: out of school. Media was starting to show up at 89 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: our middle school and we couldn't get in the building. 90 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: So and just and just for our our safety, um, 91 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: and that time, thankfully, our principal at the time completely 92 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: understood and my mom, Um, I'm not too sure the interaction, 93 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: but they were it was a mutual understanding, quick understanding 94 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: of just taking us out. Eventually, reporters stopped showing up 95 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: to their middle school and the girls returned and trying 96 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: to get back to some sense of normalcy. Life at 97 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: that age can be challenging at the best of times, 98 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: let alone with your father as public enemy number one. 99 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: With our interactions in school during the time, we've lost 100 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: a lot of friends. There was a lot of um 101 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: speculations that we were gonna do what he did, or 102 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: we're going to finish the job, to finish the job, 103 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: or or um or we're gonna be a duo at it, 104 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: or you know, just extremely negative feedback that that we 105 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: don't need to hear at the end of the day. 106 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: But they didn't care because, you know, children will be 107 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: children and we were just in that age group. So 108 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: their mother, Mildred, said, she struggled to find a therapist 109 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: they could afford who wasn't just trying to cash in 110 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: on the publicity and sell the children's story to the press. 111 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: So Mildred went to the library and picked up a 112 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: book on counseling. She started helping the children herself. Selena 113 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: and to Leiva credit their mother with helping to get 114 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: them through that rough patch. One of her main tools 115 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: in her life is optimism, and that's what really helped 116 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: us in our healing. The fact that there is always 117 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: and no matter what type of negativity that comes up, 118 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: there's always a positive aspect that you're not thinking about, 119 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: that you're not focusing your mind on, and the sooner 120 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: you do, the better off you'll be serious no way 121 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: around that. So she was pivotal for our personal growth, 122 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: our emotional stability, our spiritual development. My mom is amazing 123 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: a lot of that appreciation for our mom is for 124 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: her pushing us to make sure that we don't get 125 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: swallowed up by the media, by negative energy that people 126 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: tell us, by other things that happened throughout our life 127 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: that could potentially be that last thing that an average 128 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: person would need to go through to say, you know what, 129 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm over this life, like I'm just not gonna do 130 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: it anymore. We didn't have that opportunity, and because we 131 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: didn't have that opportunity, we only see up. We don't 132 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: see down, we don't see the past. We see up, 133 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: like how far can we go? Regardless of our situation, 134 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: Because regardless of the things that me, my sister, and 135 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: my brother have been through, there are a lot of 136 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: people out here who have gone through something much worse 137 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: or much less, and it is their choice, and it 138 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: is our choice to decide whether we want to let 139 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: this specific situation dictate and outline the rest of our life, 140 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: or do we want to address the situation, conquer all 141 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: of the feelings that we have, and develop that and 142 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: restructure that into doing something positive for our life, And 143 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: we choose positivity always. Have you thought about the question 144 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: of why you two clearly strong, clearly well spoken women. 145 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 1: Have you given any thought to why you too, as sisters, 146 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: as individuals have been placed in this story. Hm Um. 147 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: We are God fearing women period, and there is nothing 148 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: that we cannot handle or anything that is too big 149 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: for our lives. If we were not supposed to be 150 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: in the place that we were put in, God would 151 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: have never put us there, And it is that simple. 152 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: He would have never given our family the opportunity to 153 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: show him that we can come out of is stronger 154 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: than the way that we went in. So it was 155 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: not by coincidence. It was already written. We just didn't 156 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: know it. It was already written. All of our lives 157 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: are already written the way that they're supposed to be. 158 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: There is no questioning God. We've never questioned him before 159 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: and we're not going to start now that there There 160 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: is no why us, Why did you put us in 161 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: this situation? Because you have to understand that it's beyond us. 162 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: It is it's always beyond us. God saw us fit 163 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: to go through what he wanted us to go through, 164 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: to be better people, right to be stronger vessels, to 165 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: be better vessels, So why not use us? What are 166 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: we here for in the first place? If it's not 167 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: to be used by God. All right, I get all 168 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: of that, but there is no denying that you went 169 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: through some difficult days. And it feels to me that 170 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: in the moments that you're able to really communicate with 171 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: God higher power. One of the ways we generally do 172 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: that is we go through a really difficult patch and 173 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: we say something along the lines of God, I really 174 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: need you now. And I wonder about a day, a 175 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: moment that you think about in this journey that represents 176 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: a really difficult day, when you maybe say to God, 177 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: thank you for getting me through that. I would say 178 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: that those definitely do pop up in our heads, and 179 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: it will be wrong for me to say that they don't. 180 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: The night of the execution that pops up in my 181 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: head periodically and thinking on my future self, how he 182 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: he won't be walking me down the aisle, and how 183 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be able to see my prom dress, 184 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: how he wasn't a part of the goodbye team when 185 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: I went away to college. Those times pop up for 186 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: me periodically, so I am I am going to have 187 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: negative days where I'm just like Nope, I don't want 188 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: to talk to nobody, and and those those definitely do exist. Example, 189 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: his birthday or my birthday. As Selena and Taliba grew up, 190 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: they struggled and still struggled to reconcile the happy memories 191 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: of their father from childhood with the horrific crimes he committed. 192 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: Unlike their mother, Mildred, who was an adult at the 193 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: time and who had seen the start of John's descent, 194 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: Selena and Taliba had been separated from their father during 195 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: the period of childhood when most of us still idealize 196 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: our parents. So when they learned their father was the 197 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: d C Sniper, they were completely blindsided. When you're coming 198 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: from a position of being a child, right, when you're 199 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: coming from a position of being nine years old, and 200 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: all you've known is my dad adds this type of 201 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: way because I'm a child, that when you see him 202 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: on TV, it's like, well, my that's that's I don't 203 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, because my dad was consistent, 204 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: consistent in system of right and was doing all of 205 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: the things that he was supposed to be doing. They 206 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: don't try to justify or excuse their father's crimes, but 207 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: they do chafe against what they consider inaccurate portrayals of 208 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: their father in the media. We don't resent our father. 209 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: The way that he was portrayed on the news is 210 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: not the man that we grew up with, and for 211 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 1: us to resent him would mean that we would dismiss 212 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: our childhood with him, and that's not something that we're 213 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: willing to do or something that we want to do. 214 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: You know, there is a there is a media representation 215 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: of your your family story, right what is the narrative 216 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: first of all? And then for you too, what's the 217 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: most egregious part of that narrative? So I believe that 218 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: the narrative right now is the fact that he was 219 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: a monster, the fact that he didn't have a loving life. 220 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: You later, he didn't have any motive. He was just 221 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: shooting people. He just went crazy. It has nothing to 222 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: do with anything like that. My dad was smart and 223 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: the actions that he took. He knew what the outcomes 224 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: were going to be. Now, that does not necessarily say 225 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: that he is a monster, because he's not. These characteristics 226 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: that people have labeled my father to be are from 227 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: the outside looking in and not actually knowing who my 228 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: dad was and actually knowing the type of person that 229 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: he was. Selena's words echo to sentiment we heard from 230 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: criminologist Anthony Meoli that as a society, we want to 231 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: call these killers monsters. We want to separate them from 232 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: the rest of humanity. Just labeled them it's purely evil, 233 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: but the truth is often more complicated. Selena and Taliba 234 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: say that although their father was capable of these attacks, 235 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: capable of terrorizing their mother, he was also capable of 236 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: being a loving father. We want to be able to 237 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: shift the narrative to where we can express that our 238 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: dad wasn't amazing, that him as a man individually is 239 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: different than who we experienced. You know how in a 240 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: when you're going through a hard relationship with somebody or 241 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: a significant other and it's a it's just a bad time, 242 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: and all that you could think about is the bad, 243 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: how they're hurting me, why did they yell in a 244 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: certain way, or they didn't have to hang up like that? Right? 245 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: And then when all that is done, when you have 246 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: broken up or when you've separated, all you can think 247 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: about is the good. And I feel that is where 248 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: our thought process is not necessarily saying that we think 249 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: about the bad, but they're still good balance that we 250 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: can counter that with, because of our childhood, because of 251 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: our own experiences that we've had with him, So it 252 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: will be wrong to say that we don't miss him, 253 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: because we miss him so much. But at the same time, 254 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: we accept why he isn't here, we accept where we 255 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: are in that time, and it's a blessing that we 256 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: are so close as a family. My mom also instilled 257 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: in us to not feel like we are obligated to 258 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: give an apology for his actions, because his actions are 259 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: his actions. Um at the same time, we never stop 260 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,359 Speaker 1: praying for the victims and the survivors and the families. 261 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: We have full empathy for everything that that has taken 262 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: place in that time, and we're not insensitive as far 263 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: as what their journey is now even after. But at 264 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: the same time, taking ownership that would not be appropriate. 265 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: What we can say that we will continue to pray 266 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: for the victims of the survivors and that they have 267 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: a special place in our hearts. For sure, Selena and 268 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: Taliba feel that they have been portrayed inaccurately by the 269 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: media as well, with coverage forgetting how young they were 270 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: when all this happened, or treating them like irreparably damaged 271 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: goods about of reshaping our narrative is to redefine who 272 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: his children was. There were so many unrealistic mindsets about 273 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: how we were coping through it, and by taking a 274 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: step back and understanding the time that it happened, and 275 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: then matching the ages and the mentality mentality in that 276 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: era and then saying, oh, okay, well, they were under 277 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: ten years old, so I kind of don't really know 278 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: a lot of what happened. So it's important that that's spoken, 279 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: that that that we were youth and at the same time, 280 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: my mom didn't shield anything away from us because she 281 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: wanted us to live a life of truth. We want 282 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: to shift that we are empowered, that were loved, that 283 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: we are stable, that we are okay, and that not 284 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: only are we okay, but we work hard. We don't 285 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: use that situation as an excuse for progression. We choose 286 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: to to not to make this the crutch for us 287 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: to not be better women. We don't use it for 288 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: anything outside of explaining our life story. And also it 289 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: helps us to be inspired musically. Throughout the whole ordeal, 290 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: Selena and Taliba found solace in music, listening to it, 291 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: performing it, even writing their own songs. What's helped us 292 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: is talking it out, writing it out, singing it out, 293 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: looking up songs that lyrically tie into those struggles. Those 294 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: songs and those lyrics help for our outlet. Music really 295 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: has helped us. When no human can say words, chords 296 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: can really do it, or instrument can really do it, 297 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: or Kenny G can really do it. You know, you 298 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: don't have to be verbally, can be non vocal. But 299 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: we wanted to change the narrative for ourselves musically. So 300 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: now let me ask this question. Tell me why you 301 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: wrote scramble. Did you write this or did I write this? 302 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: I wrote scramble. Make mistakes. I'm ben't making two. It's 303 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: a part of the game. But who's ready to lose web? 304 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: We're we're moving what we're doing. We gotta get back 305 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: to the first stage. But thanks for reading on the 306 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: first page. Well we're going, Hi, we're moving what we're doing. 307 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: When you push me back, I can't ignore. I'll be 308 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: relationship is on the floor. Poo's will then to pick 309 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: it up. I'm tooling. Thanks for you, so I take 310 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: care of you. Nothing never turn miss me with that 311 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: bullshit about you called your side one ain't stupid. I'm 312 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: taking out my gun. Okay, So we have this thing 313 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: where Talibo will start us all and then like a 314 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: week later she'll call me and she'll say, can you 315 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: help me write the second birse? So I'm like, well, 316 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: what did you have in the first place? And so 317 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: she'll sing it and I'm like, all right, give me 318 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: like five minutes figure nothing out. Where my head was. 319 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: I was in a relationship and it was very confusing 320 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: as far as his intentions and where I wanted it 321 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: to go, and I just was fed up. So I 322 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: got those lyrics out. I journal. I wanted to be 323 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: able to confront those emotions head on. I also think 324 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: that the song gives the listener of the opportunity to 325 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: not be afraid to ask those questions where are we going? 326 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: What are we doing? Those There are questions that a 327 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: lot of people shy away from because they don't want 328 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: to hear the answer, And so Scramble was made for 329 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: the listener to put your pants on, evaluate your situation 330 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: and actually questions, because if you don't, then you're gonna 331 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: be step in our relationship where you're not happy. And 332 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: this life you only get to live at once, and 333 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to waste five, ten, fifteen, years of 334 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: your life in a marriage, in a relationship is not healthy, 335 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: you know. So that's how Scramble came to the world. 336 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: What we do, We gotta get back to the first 337 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: but the first path. But Scramble has darker undertones as well, 338 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: like its reference to an affair and getting a gun. 339 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: So the verse escalated from the observation to me being 340 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: completely fed up. So now I'm violent like the air 341 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: level their level. But that's real because in real relationships, 342 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: in those defining moments, in those relationships, your mind can 343 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: get there, your mind can scramble in that way. It's 344 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: easy to imagine how their family story has influenced the 345 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: song's themes, with its lyrics about how love can scramble 346 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: our brain and even make us violent, and about the 347 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: fear of getting stuck in an unhappy and unhealthy relationship 348 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: for years. Tell me about when you had to decide 349 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: how much of your journey together you were willing to 350 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: share in your music. It's a very good question for 351 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: me and my sister. The things that we've been through 352 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: and the things that we've gone through have shaped the 353 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: way that we see the world. But we are still 354 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: picking and choosing what we want to put into our music. 355 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: It's a lot of emotions and a lot of time 356 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of thinking that we put into our 357 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: songwriting when it comes to the things that we've been through. 358 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: When did this desire to play to sing? When did 359 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: music become a part of your life? It became a 360 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: part of our lives when we were little, um, when 361 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: like six seven, mom heard something in us and we 362 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: always found it to be a hobby. But she's like, 363 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: not a hobby. So she just plugged us in two 364 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: choirs and then the choir directors were like, they can 365 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: take this seriously. Then plugged us into perform at art schools. 366 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: That's where we both went, and then just transitioned from 367 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: there to gaining scholarships to take it to college, so 368 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: we have degrees and voice performance. You mentioned that your 369 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: mom at some point said it's not hobby, right, it's 370 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: a thing, It's not hobby. So I guess what does 371 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: that say about your mom? What kind of a person 372 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: is your mom? How do you destroy her? I wish 373 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: folks could see the video right now, and we're recording 374 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: as we're a podcast, but I wish they could see 375 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: your faces and how broad these smiles are. To the beast, 376 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: that beautiful stallion spirit. She's a beast. She she goes 377 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: above and beyond for her children, which brings tears to 378 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: my eyes. But we're just gonna We're gonna keep pushing 379 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: through my mom um. My mom is amazing and and 380 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: she is a role model to how I want to 381 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: be as a woman and a mother. She has turned 382 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: out so many opportunities. She's she's made extra time to 383 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: where that we are all individually okay, and then collectively. 384 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: She's a one. She's never stopped. She's just never stopped. 385 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: She never stopped. So it's it's a blessing. It's a 386 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: blessing every single day that we still have her and 387 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: that we can embrace her. Now in their late twenties, 388 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: Selena and Taliba have had some time to look back 389 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: and reflect on their experience. Although this is a part 390 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: of our story, this is not our story, and it's 391 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: important that there are other purposes, there are other stories 392 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: that we will be a part of. This was just 393 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: one that started off the endless of the stories that 394 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: are going to come in the future, So it's imperative 395 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: that we keep pushing forward and reflect of course too, 396 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: because there was so much going on while we were 397 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: still in school, while we were still trying to establish 398 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: friendships and maintain our grades at the same time, it 399 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: was a lot trusting in the unknown. It's really hard. 400 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: And UM, in that time, it was a lot of confusion. 401 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: It was a lot of tension and anxiety. But I 402 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: would tell my younger self to not be afraid of 403 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: where my life is going to go. This is not 404 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: the end, this is only the beginning. This is only 405 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: um what's going to make us stronger. And also UM, 406 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: I would tell my younger self to lean all my 407 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: sister a little more before college. We were we were 408 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: at differences, so I would say Selena her more. Like 409 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: many siblings, the two sisters fought as children, but discovered 410 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: a close bond later in life. In their case, when 411 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: they were both going to college in Cleveland. I was 412 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have my sister thirty minutes away from me, 413 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: and I was going through so much and just trying 414 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: to figure out what am I doing and how how 415 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: can I operate in the city alone. And I was 416 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: crying and being my dramatic self as I am. And 417 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: she's very compassionate, and that's one thing that I really 418 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: love about our sisterhood, specifically Selena is because I can 419 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: be so in my head, especially in that time where 420 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing, and she would 421 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: know when it's time to give me tough love, and 422 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: she would know when it's time for me to just vent, 423 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: and she doesn't have to say anything because I'm that dramatic, 424 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: and she just knows those different switches for when it's 425 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: time to be a sister, when it's time to be 426 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: a friend, when it's time to be a music partner, 427 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: when it's time to be my second mom, especially with 428 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: me being the youngest, so that that that also is 429 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: a very important element and sister YouTube your sisterhood. I 430 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: can't even imagine the levels at which you connect as 431 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: sisters who have shared an incomprehensible journey together. I really 432 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: appreciate you respecting our boundaries and really appreciating where we 433 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: are now and taking that time and giving us this 434 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: platform to to just have a conversation about it and 435 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: to give us the opportunity to just speak the way 436 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: that we want to with freedom, with freedom, and even 437 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 1: if we don't feel like talking about something that you 438 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: guys don't shun us, right that it's like, Okay, it's fine, 439 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: we do move on. That's something that a lot of 440 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: people that record shows don't have or don't give UM 441 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: because because they always have it they do. It's a 442 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: if they give it or not. And so we want 443 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: to take this time out to say thank you guys 444 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: for UM including us in this special and for giving 445 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: us this platform to speak. That's it for this bonus episode. 446 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to text Mildred immediately after the interview to 447 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: tell her how much I enjoyed my conversation with her daughters, 448 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: but I gave myself a data process everything i'd heard. 449 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: Taliba and Selena are both sides of the Mildred Mohammed coin. 450 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: Taliba reflects Mildred's easy smile and sense of humor. Selena 451 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: reflects Mildred's toughness and sheer strang Together, these two women 452 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: have a lot to say about overcoming life's difficulties, and 453 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: through their music, they demonstrate the importance of finding a 454 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: way to express yourself and exactly the way you want 455 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: to do it. Judgment be damned. When I finally texted Mildred, 456 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: I wrote, Wow, your girls are amazing. She responded with yes, 457 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: they are Thank you. If you'd like to hear more 458 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: of Selena and Taliba's music, search for two music that's 459 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: t O and then music. The songs Scramble that we 460 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 1: played in this episode is from their two thousand eighteen 461 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: album To Who, Thanks for listening.