1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to Law and Order Criminal Justice System, a 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: production of Wolf Entertainment and iHeart podcasts. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: In the criminal justice System, landmark trials transcend the courtroom 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: to reshape the law. The brave many women who investigate 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: and prosecute these cases are part of a select group 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: that is defined American history. These are their stories. May nineteenth, 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, Tampa, Florida. 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: A hostage situation. Police respond to a call of three 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: people being held at gunpoint at a nearby strip mall. 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: The attacker, a twenty four year old by the name 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: of Devon Arthur's, is apprehended. While in police custody, Arthur's 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: was asked if anyone else was hurt. His response was chilling, said, 13 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: and I quote the people in the apartment, but they 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: aren't hurt, they're dead. Arthur's directed police to a street 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: line with pastel colored condos. Inside one of the apartments, 16 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: they found two young men Arthur's roommates, dead on the floor. 17 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Police walked through the rooms, surveying the scene. Inside the 18 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: bedroom of a fourth roommate, they found something that had 19 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the double murder, but was almost 20 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: equally disturbing. 21 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: He had a framed picture of Timothy mcveay in his room. 22 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: He idolized McVeigh and he wanted to do something similar 23 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: to what McVeigh did, and he was working on constructing 24 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 3: explosive devices. 25 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: The picture of McVeigh belonged to a man named Brandon Russell, 26 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: and investigators had just uncovered the first layer of his 27 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: hidden world. It wouldn't be long until they learned it 28 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: went even first. There secret chat rooms, stockpilp, explosives, and 29 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: a blueprint for a deadly attack. 30 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 4: I got a call, get out to Lavardia Airport. 31 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 5: There's been a bombing. 32 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: There was a thirty two foot crater in front of 33 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: what was left of the building. 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out, am I dead? Am 35 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: I alive? Where am I? I'm Anethega Nicolazzi. That's why 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: terrorism works. It doesn't care who you are. From Wolf 37 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this is Lawn Order Criminal Justice System. 38 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: This season, we've explored cases that change the trajectory of 39 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: the United States, moments that cost lives and forced law 40 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: enforcement to respond to the aftermath. Those are the cases 41 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: that make headlines, the ones that define era. But as 42 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: we saw in the last episode, there's another side to 43 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: this fight, one that you almost never hear about, the 44 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: attacks that didn't happen, the plots that were stopped before 45 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: they could claim lives. This episode is about those cases, 46 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: the near misses, the moments where agents stepped in just 47 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: in time, the plots were thwarted before they could become tragedies. 48 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: Take the case of twenty one year old Brandon Russell. 49 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: His shrine to Timothy McVeigh wasn't just extremist theater. He 50 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: was connected to something larger, something far beyond that Tampa apartment. 51 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: The reason Brandon Russell and his group Adam Woff and 52 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: Division are so important is because they became early leaders 53 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: in the accelerationist movements. 54 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: As Michael Jensen explains, the accelerationist movement believes that terror 55 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: itself can be the spark to bring down democracy, and 56 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: Brandon Russell's neo Nazi group, the atam Waffen Division, which 57 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: means atomic weapons in German, they embraced it. 58 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: So they got onto a forum that was called Iron March, 59 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: which was an online forum of white supremacist organizations. Essentially, 60 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: they got in there, started using Iron March and quickly 61 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: became kind of the most popular group that was acting there. 62 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: Brandon Russell was the leader of Adam Waffen Division on 63 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 3: Iron March. 64 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: While Russell's network spread internationally, that part of his identity 65 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: was well masked. 66 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: Russell was also a member of the US National Guard 67 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: at the time that he was doing all of this. 68 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: As someone in the military, he was gathering the tactical 69 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: knowledge and skills that he would need to be potentially 70 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: quite deadly if he wanted to. 71 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: Inside his garage, investigators uncovered far more than ideology. They 72 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: found explosive materials, radiation sources, and bomb making components. It 73 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: was clear Russell wasn't just dabbling in extremism, he was 74 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: preparing to attack. The threat was taken seriously. Russell was 75 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: charged with possession of an unregistered destructive device and unlawful 76 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: storage of explosive material. He was convicted and sent to prison. 77 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: Even while incarcerated, he was laying the groundwork for what 78 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: came next. 79 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: And then he gets released, goes on to federal supervision, 80 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 3: and within a year is arrested again. He and a 81 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: woman that he had started communicating with while he was 82 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: in prison were plotting a series of attacks to attack 83 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: the Baltimore power grid. 84 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: But federal agents were listening. They had inserted a confidential 85 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: informant tracking the couple's plans as they took form, but 86 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: before they were put in motion, Russell was arrested a 87 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: second time. The grid attack never happened. From an online 88 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: forum to real world violence, both stopped before a disaster. 89 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: This is just one of many cases that highlight the 90 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: attacks that have been prevented before extremists succeeded. One of 91 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: those cases began in Kansas with an FBI agent who 92 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: found herself in the middle of a deadly plot. 93 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 6: My name is Amy Kuhn and I am currently a 94 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 6: special Agent in the Garden City resident Agent out of 95 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 6: the Kansas City Division. I just had my seventeenth year anniversary. 96 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: Amy was drawn to the Bureau from a young age, 97 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: even if it seemed out of reach. 98 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 6: I grew up in a really small town, and the 99 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 6: FBI was not a job that people where I grew 100 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 6: up with had. The FBI was something I was interested in, 101 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 6: so I went to law school with the antition of 102 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 6: trying to get into the FBI. I worked as a 103 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 6: prosecutor for a couple of years, and then I got 104 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 6: accepted into the FBI. 105 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: Her career began in Garden City, a small town in 106 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: southwest Kansas, filled with wide open prairie and farmland. The 107 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: office looked very different from the larger field divisions seen elsewhere. 108 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 6: The Garden City FBI office is two agents and we 109 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 6: don't have any support staff there. The western third of 110 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 6: Kansas is our territory, and now there is one DEA 111 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 6: agent in Garden City, but kind of for that area, 112 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 6: that's the only federal law enforcement presence that's out there. 113 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Her post couldn't have been further from the hubs of 114 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: federal law enforcement. 115 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 6: We are probably six and a half hours from Kansas City, 116 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 6: six hours to Denver, five hours to Albuquerque, four and 117 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 6: a half hours to Oklahoma City. It is a rural area, 118 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 6: lots of agriculture, and Garden City is like the big 119 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 6: city for the area, centrally located in the middle of nowhere, 120 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,599 Speaker 6: not what most people would consider a big city. 121 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: The community she served had been shaped by its industry. 122 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: Garden City was a meatpacking town. The plants employed thousands, 123 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: drawing workers from across the region and immigrants who came 124 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: to the US looking for work. 125 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 6: And the plants they have some recruiters that will go 126 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 6: to refugee camps and just say, hey, we'll give you 127 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 6: housing for a certain amount of time and we'll pay 128 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 6: you if you want to come live in wherever the 129 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 6: meatpacking plant is. 130 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: The area became an unlikely melting pot. In Garden City 131 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: schools alone, children spoke dozens of languages. 132 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 6: So in Garden City there's like fifty languages spoken in 133 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 6: the school system. 134 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: Families arrived from Mexico and Cuba, from Somalia and Vietnam, 135 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: each new wave building on the last, each new group 136 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: becoming part of the community. 137 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 6: They've just accepted who the new refugee is. 138 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: On the surface, all was calm, but this quiet posting 139 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: would soon pull her into something she had never faced before. 140 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: It was my first domestic terrorism. 141 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: Case, and the investigation had the potential to impact her 142 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: community forever. In the summer of twoenty fifteen, a story 143 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: began spreading online. 144 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 6: There was a Facebook message that came out that had 145 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 6: a picture of a Palestinian flag and it said that 146 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 6: Palestinian flag had been hung up in the Garden City library, 147 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 6: that there was an ISIS flag there, and there were 148 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 6: some Maali's that were recruiting for ISIS in the library. 149 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 6: We got several calls regarding that Facebook message. 150 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: People were concerned about it. 151 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: The calls kept coming. Amy went to see for herself 152 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: to try and get answers, but when she got there, 153 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: the flag was gone. 154 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 6: I went to the library and tried to figure out 155 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 6: where this information came from. And interviewing people, I discovered 156 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 6: who had taken the Palestinian flag down. 157 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 4: That was Dan Day. He was just a local citizen. 158 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Amy located Dan and the two met. She wanted to 159 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: figure out what had happened and why Dan's explanation cast 160 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: the rumors in a different light. 161 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 6: He said he didn't really see people recruiting for ISIS. 162 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 6: There were Somalis in the library that use the library frequently, 163 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 6: but he didn't see an ISIS flag. The Palestinian flag 164 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 6: had been posted and he took it down because it 165 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 6: was supporting Palestine. In talking to people, what I came 166 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 6: to the conclusion of was it had gotten blown out 167 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 6: of proportion. There was no ISIS recruiting and there was 168 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 6: no ISIS flag at the library. 169 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: The rumors had turned out to be a false alarm. 170 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: But Amy's collaboration with Dan was just beginning because he 171 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: went on to tell her about a meeting that would 172 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: soon lead to an investigation of its own. 173 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 6: He said he had been to a militia meeting for 174 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 6: a security force, and the people were very concerned about 175 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 6: the Somali presence in the southwest Kansas, and we're concerned 176 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 6: that there were ISIS members. And at the time, this 177 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 6: is twenty fifteen, there were a lot of beheading videos 178 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 6: that were being shown on YouTube and internet. So it 179 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 6: was a time when people were very frightened of ISSIS. 180 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 6: And during certain holy days for Muslims, there would be 181 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 6: a group of Somalis that would meet on Tennis Court 182 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 6: and they would pray all together there on some of 183 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 6: the religious holidays, and this group had a particular problem 184 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 6: with that. 185 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: Militias are generally described as an armed force made up 186 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: of civilian volunteers. 187 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 6: In general, it is part of constitution you have a 188 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 6: right to have militias and bear arms. And so a 189 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 6: lot of these militia groups, the commonalty is that they 190 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 6: are patriots, They believe in the United States, and they 191 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 6: want to protect the values they deem important in the 192 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 6: United States. A lot of the militias want to be 193 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 6: armed and they want to not lose that freedom. A 194 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 6: lot of the militia groups, we don't have concerns about 195 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 6: it because they just meet and do their own thing 196 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 6: and there's not ever any issues from them. 197 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't that it was a militia meeting that caught 198 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: Amy's attention, it was what was being said at the time. 199 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: There were a lot of online conversations that were being monitored. 200 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 6: There were a lot of what I would call Facebook warriors. 201 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 6: There were a lot of people talking a big game 202 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 6: on the internet and posting stuff, but actually doing anything 203 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 6: was not as prevalent. 204 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: For Amy. What raised red flags was that this group's 205 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: hostility was pointed, and it raised the question of whether 206 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: words might turn into action. 207 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 6: That's what makes domestic terrorism hard is that you are 208 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 6: investigating something that a lot of people deem First Amendment 209 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 6: right protected. So you have to balance that line. And 210 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 6: to me, some of the things that were concerning to 211 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 6: me were that they were focusing on the Somali population. 212 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: Just the fact that they were focusing. 213 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 6: Their energy on one particular group, it gave me concern 214 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 6: to at least try to get somebody that could determine 215 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 6: if there was even a problem. 216 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: All of which left Amy walking a fine line. The 217 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: challenge was how to move forward without overstepping her next 218 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: move was to see whether she could develop a source 219 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: inside the group. 220 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 6: We left the meeting and I told my partner Robin Smith, 221 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 6: I said, I think I might try to open Dan Day. 222 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: As a source. 223 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 6: Robin said that guy really, like, You're not going to 224 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 6: get anything out of that guy, essentially, and I said, yeah, 225 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 6: I think I will. So I called Dan Day and 226 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 6: I met with him again, and he described that Kansas 227 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 6: Security Force was a militia. A militia is not illegal, 228 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 6: but he said that they had talked about doing surveillance 229 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 6: of people and that starts getting into kind of a 230 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 6: fuzzy area. I told Dan that if he wanted to 231 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 6: continue going to Kansas Security Force meetings, I would be 232 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 6: interested in anything that you find out about Somali's or 233 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 6: any illegal activities that are going on that they think 234 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 6: they're discovering. 235 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: He said, okay. 236 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Stepping into that role wasn't easy. 237 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 6: Dan was pretty nervous type of guy, and I think 238 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 6: initially my partner didn't think he would be very well 239 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 6: suited for it. But Dan was very patriotic and he 240 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 6: wanted to do something that he felt was right that 241 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 6: was protecting his community and his country. And I also 242 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 6: think that he enjoyed being part of the team and 243 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 6: he felt. 244 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 4: It was important what he was doing. 245 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: With Dan on board, Amy now had someone on the inside. 246 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: She quickly realized that the conversations went beyond the in 247 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: person meetings. 248 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 6: They met a lot online. They would have a lot 249 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 6: of Facebook messaging, and they would have Zello calls. They 250 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 6: did not believe it could be monitored by the government. 251 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 6: So that's the app that a lot. 252 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 4: Of these militia groups were using, was this Zello app. 253 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 6: So they would have these nightly Zello calls and check ins. 254 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: And the tone of those communications started to change. 255 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 6: They started talking about wanting to do something to one 256 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 6: of the Somali businesses. They would talk about throwing pigs 257 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 6: in their store or wrapping bacon around the handles, and 258 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 6: so they started talking about things that would be a 259 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 6: civil rights violation if they followed through with it. And 260 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 6: then they also were planning surveillance. 261 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: The words were moving from ideas to actual plans. 262 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 6: They were going to be in separate vehicles, use this 263 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 6: Zello app as walkie talkies, and they were going to 264 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 6: follow some of these Somalis to see where they went 265 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 6: and what they were doing, like a police surveillance. So 266 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 6: at that point we felt that there was enough to 267 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 6: open a domestic terrorism investigation. 268 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: And it quickly got internal attention. 269 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: When I did open the case, it had a lot 270 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 6: of oversight from our division council. I had to give 271 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 6: him updates to make sure that we weren't infringing on 272 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 6: anybody's constitutional rights. So I would update him frequently, and 273 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 6: I was in frequent contact with the prosecutor, who was 274 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 6: also concerned about people's rights. 275 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: Amy wasn't sure where the case would lead. 276 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 6: I thought, at most maybe some of these militia guys 277 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 6: were going to be doing surveillance and do something stupid 278 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 6: and you know, pull out a gun and shoot somebody 279 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 6: that they shouldn't like. 280 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 4: I never thought it would end up where it did. 281 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: The group that Amy was monitoring was a small part 282 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: of a much larger organization that spread across Cans. 283 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 6: Kansas Security Force was a statewide organization and they had 284 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 6: it split up into zones. DAN was a part of 285 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 6: was the Southwest Kansas zone. I think there were three zones. 286 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't the entirety of Kansas Security Force. Or KSF 287 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: that was viewed as a potential threat. 288 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 6: Kansas Security Force in general, there were no issues with 289 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 6: there were a few people that ended up being members 290 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 6: of Kansas Security Force that were a problem. 291 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: The world Dan Day was navigating was about to take 292 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: on a more dangerous edge. 293 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 6: When Patrick Stein comes into the picture. He is who 294 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 6: recruits Dan to be a member of KSF. Patrick Stein 295 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 6: was a farmer in Ford County, didn't like immigrants, and 296 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 6: he's expressed racist idealies. 297 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: His rhetoric quickly escalated beyond talk. 298 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 6: Patrick Stein called Dan Day and said, can you take 299 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 6: me around to these addresses that were going to be surveilling. 300 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 6: So Dan took him around. There were a couple African 301 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 6: stores and apartment complex and when Dan took him around, 302 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 6: he went off, for lack of a better term, on 303 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 6: the somalies. He was calling him names and he said 304 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 6: he wanted to shoot some of them. So that's when 305 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 6: we thought we might have a bigger problem. 306 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: Dan grew uneasy with where Stein was pushing things. 307 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 6: After Stein met with Dan, Dan called me and he 308 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 6: was very concerned and he didn't want to do the 309 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 6: surveillance because he was afraid that Patrick Stein was going 310 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 6: to shoot somebody or do something. 311 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: Out in rural western Kansas, FBI backup wasn't easy. There 312 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: were no nearby buildings or vantage points that could keep 313 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: agents hidden from view. Cover was scarce, and every move 314 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: risk exposure. 315 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 6: I said, well, that's why you have to go. I said, 316 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 6: I can't come and do surveillance. You need to stick 317 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 6: by Patrick Stein's side, and you have to be the 318 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 6: voice of reason. You need to try to keep him 319 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 6: from doing something stupid. 320 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 4: Dan was very concerned at that time. 321 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: Dan's warnings made it clear Stein wasn't just talking. His 322 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: volatility posed a real risk. 323 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 4: So we opened a case on Patrick Stein. 324 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 6: We told Dan that whatever Patrick Stein was doing, that's 325 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 6: who we wanted to focus on. 326 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: Stein's anger continued to simmer. Then came the shooting at 327 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: the Pulse nightclub in Orlando two. 328 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: O'clock in the morning. An officer who was working at 329 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: Paul's nightclub engaged this gunman in a firefight. 330 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 2: The person I was with or shot in the back. 331 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: I had taken my bandanna off and tied it up, 332 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: put it in a knockbull hole that was in his. 333 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: Back so that he wasn't lead. 334 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: In June twenty sixteen, a man swearing allegiance to ISIS 335 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: shot and killed forty nine people and wounded fifty three 336 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: at the Gay nightclub in Florida. 337 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 6: The next day, patrick Stein called Dan day and said, 338 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 6: we have to do something. We can't let this happen again. 339 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 6: We need to take action. He believed that most of 340 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 6: the Muslims in southwest Kansas were associated with ISIS, so 341 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 6: he felt they needed to do something before Muslims and 342 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 6: ISIS took over the United States. 343 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: Stein wasted no time. 344 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 6: So patrick Stein organized a meeting in a field in 345 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 6: a rural area and gathered people that he deemed would 346 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 6: be willing to do something. 347 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: Dan went to the meeting to capture what happened. 348 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: He was recording it was a whole thing. His car 349 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 4: broke down. 350 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 6: I had to take him to meet up with Stein, 351 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 6: so he had had a stressful day already. I dropped 352 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 6: him off and Stein picked him up, and he rode 353 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 6: with Stein to the meeting, which was about three hour 354 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 6: drive to where they went. 355 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: Stein didn't have air conditioning and Dan. 356 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 6: Did not take anything to drink, and it was June 357 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 6: and it was really hot. 358 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: The FBI couldn't directly keep eyes on the gathering as 359 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: it was in a wide open field outside of town. 360 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: Amy was listening on the wire from far away, knowing 361 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: if something went wrong, Dan was on his own. It 362 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: was a dangerous assignment for a civilian. Despite being surrounded 363 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: by armed, angry men in the middle of nowhere, Dan 364 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: kept the recorder running. The conversation dragged on in the 365 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: sweltering heat, moving from complaints to violent ideas. 366 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 6: So they're in this field talking about what they should do, 367 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 6: and there's things brought up, like shooting at a mosque. 368 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: Hours dragged on until the strain became too much. 369 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 6: I was trying to text him and I was getting 370 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 6: no response. 371 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: Had Dan's cover been blown? The silence felt like an eternity. 372 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: With informant Dan day on responsive. The question for the 373 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: FBI became whether to break cover and intervene. 374 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: So my bosses were like, do we need to go in? 375 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 4: What's going on? 376 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 6: And because of the rule of nature, we had a 377 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 6: surveillance team, but they were a long ways away because 378 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 6: we did not want to burn Dan, and I felt 379 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 6: his safety would be more at issue if we went in. 380 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: As the team considered what to do, Amy's phone suddenly buzzed. 381 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 6: Dan texted me and said he was in the hospital 382 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 6: in Hutchison. 383 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 4: He had passed out. 384 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 6: They had called an ambulance, the ambulance had taken him 385 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 6: to the hospital. I was like, all right, So Robin 386 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 6: and I loaded up to go get him from the 387 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 6: hospital in. 388 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: Hutch The heat had taken its toll and he had 389 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: passed out. Most importantly that Amy Dan was safe. The 390 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: device he had been carrying also survived, and so did 391 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: the recording. But would they be able to use it. 392 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 6: It's clear when he passes out we were consensually recording. 393 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: Not to mention it. 394 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 6: Also, when he passes out, we no longer have a 395 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 6: consenting party. It becomes an illegal title iree because our 396 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 6: consenting party is not there. 397 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: That meant every second of audio after Dan collapsed couldn't 398 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: be used. 399 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 6: They did not find the recording device on him, neither 400 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 6: the people in the field nor the hospital people. When 401 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 6: Robin and I got to the hospital, we turned off 402 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 6: the recording device. Also, I sent the recording and I said, hey, 403 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 6: we got to have somebody review this before we can 404 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 6: listen to it, because it's tainted. We had a taint 405 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 6: review team that figured out when he passed out in 406 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 6: the field and spliced that out. 407 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: The agent assembled the remaining pieces of the meetings, recording 408 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: what happened that night served as an important reminder the 409 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: fine line between the success of a case and personal harm, 410 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to a civilian informant. But what 411 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: was left of the usable tape from Dan's recorder would 412 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: become essential. 413 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 6: That meeting in the field became the beginning of our 414 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 6: conspiracy for court. 415 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: But the case was still evolving. 416 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 6: Patrick Stein was a true believer. I think he genuinely 417 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 6: believed that basically all Somali's were Muslim and all the 418 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 6: Muslims wanted to do harm to United States citizens. 419 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: There was a small group of men that also shared 420 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: his ideology. 421 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 6: Patrick Stein, Curtis Allen, Gavin Wright, and Dan all become 422 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 6: part of this group called the Crusaders. 423 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: Even the name Crusaders was telling a throwback to religious wars. 424 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: It framed them as patriotic religious avengers. Alan and Wright 425 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: would become Stein's keyco conspirators, joining him in a plan 426 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: that was beginning to take shape. 427 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 6: They set up a new group on Signal and they 428 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 6: named the group Crusaders. 429 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 4: Two point zero. 430 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Signal is a privacy focused messaging app with end to 431 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: end encryption for the FBI. It raised the question were 432 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: these men simply exercising our right to privacy or working 433 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: to cover their tracks. Their encrypted chats gave them a 434 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: private space to push each other further, and Patrick. 435 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 6: Stein frequently talked about that they were essentially the new 436 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 6: Crusaders and that they were getting the Muslims out again, 437 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 6: much like the original Crusaders. 438 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: And inside that echo chamber, the talk evolved from vague 439 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: anger to concrete plotting. 440 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 6: They talked to some other members of KSF that they 441 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 6: thought would be down for their cause. Ultimately, the people 442 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 6: that they approached said, look, we are willing to respond 443 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 6: if something happens, but we don't want to initiate anything. 444 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 6: Whereas Curtis, Patrick and Gavin were talking about initiating something, 445 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 6: there was one member that had his wife not been there, 446 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 6: would have probably been on board, but she said, yeah, 447 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 6: we're not doing that. 448 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 4: We have kids. 449 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: They split from the larger group, leaving Stein, Alan and 450 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: Wright on their own, isolated but committed. 451 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 6: They would have meetings and these meetings would last a hours, 452 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 6: six hours a long time. They were all very paranoid 453 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 6: about government listening in so They would make everybody put 454 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 6: their cell phones in a room and they would turn 455 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 6: the music up so the government couldn't listen to them. 456 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: It soon became clear why they didn't want to be heard. 457 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 6: They would talk about a lot of different conspiracy theories. 458 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 6: They would also talk about what they wanted to do. 459 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 6: They talked about blowing stuff up. They talked about shooting 460 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 6: landlords because the landlords were allowing these Muslims to rent 461 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 6: from them, going in and shooting. 462 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: Up a bunch apartments. 463 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 6: They talked about trying to put a bomb at a parade. 464 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 6: There were a lot of different ideas, but ultimately they 465 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 6: decided that they wanted to do something At three h 466 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 6: five West Mary. It's an apartment complex. There's a large 467 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 6: Somali population and Muslim population, and one of the apartments 468 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 6: had been turned into a mosque. 469 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: And the something they wanted to do was deadly. 470 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 6: Ultimately, they decided on some sort of bomb to blow 471 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 6: up the mosque, and they started working on their own 472 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 6: homemade explosives. They wanted to do trash can bombs or 473 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 6: car bombs, park them in the parking lot and blow 474 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 6: up the apartment complex. They also talked about trying to 475 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 6: drop some kind of bomb through the air ducks. 476 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: The scope of their plot was unmistakable. What had started 477 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: as talk had evolved into a plan for mass casualties. 478 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: As the plan grew more specific, Amy Enter team faced 479 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: a problem. Dan Day was their only source. Stein and 480 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: his group were asking for others and safety and the 481 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: investigation were at risk. 482 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 6: They thought that they might need help with their explosive devices. 483 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 6: So this is about the time that we introduced an 484 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 6: undercover because we were concerned that they were moving very quickly. 485 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 6: Patrick Sin was using drugs at this time too, so 486 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 6: sometimes his behavior was kind of erratic, and there was 487 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 6: always a concern that Dan Day might get cut out. 488 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 6: And he was the only eyes and ears that we 489 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 6: had into this. They didn't really use cell phones a lot. 490 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 6: They met in person. Also, when going to court, undercovers 491 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 6: generally are more reliable. 492 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: And that is basically because an undercover agent is a 493 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: member of law enforcement, whereas with a civilian like Dan 494 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: there's always the risk that they get scared and cut 495 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: and run and won't be willing to testify. Dan was 496 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: true trusted by Stein and his pals, so agents wanted 497 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: to use that to their advantage. 498 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 6: From the beginning, Dan had told them some of his 499 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 6: relatives were involved in some illegal activities. He told them 500 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 6: he had a family member that ran guns, like he's 501 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 6: a guy that can get stuff and they were friends. 502 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: That family member was fiction, but it was the cover 503 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: story for an FBI operative. 504 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 6: Dan was like, Hey, do you want to meet up 505 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 6: with this guy? And as a group, they decided that 506 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 6: they did want to meet up, but Gavin and Curtis 507 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 6: did not want to go meet in person because they 508 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 6: were concerned that it was a government agent. But they 509 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 6: still wanted to know what the guy had to say, 510 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 6: so patrick Stein decided he was going to go talk 511 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 6: to him. 512 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: The meeting went according to plan, the FBI's plan. 513 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 6: They came up with a list of things that was 514 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 6: like grenades, debt, cord, there are four items. We have 515 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 6: multiple undercovers there, and Dan dropped a package off with them. 516 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 4: They paid him. 517 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 6: Then he introduces the undercover to patrick Stein. 518 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: Stein's reaction left little doubt that this was the right match. 519 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 6: They have a conversation and patrick Stein basically has a 520 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 6: man crush on. 521 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 4: The undercover from the beginning. 522 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 6: He likes everything that the undercover says and he is 523 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 6: fully supportive After the conversation, Stein believed that he could 524 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 6: make explosives and he knew what he was doing. The 525 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 6: name that the undercover used with these guys was Brian. 526 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: With that first meeting complete, Brian, the FBI undercover became embedded, 527 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 1: and it didn't take long before Stein began confiding in him. 528 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 6: All of this is actually in text communications between Patrick 529 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 6: Stein and Brian. Patrick Stein's like, well, here's our plan. 530 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 6: We want to have bombs set up at the apartment 531 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 6: complex to completely wipe out the complex. We want to 532 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 6: do it during prayer time to kill the most people 533 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 6: that we can because everybody will be there at prayer time. 534 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 4: He said. 535 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 6: We were thinking trash can bombs or car bombs. Then 536 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 6: the undercover says, well, I can provide you a car 537 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 6: bomb that would be able to take out the complex, 538 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 6: and patrick Stein says, oh, and I have fertilizer because 539 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 6: he works on a farm. 540 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: Even as undercover, Brian offered to supply materials. The others 541 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: kept experimenting on their own in. 542 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 6: Case they couldn't figure out how to make it work. 543 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 6: Curtis Allen and Gavin Wright continued. 544 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 4: To make explosives to the point where they made HMTD. 545 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: For amateur bomb makers. HMTD is a go to ingredient. 546 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 6: The hardest part of making explosives is that initial explosive 547 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 6: that sets the larger explosive off. So they were successful 548 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 6: in making HMTD, and we have a recording where they're 549 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 6: talking to Dan about how they made it and they 550 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 6: almost blew up the sink in the bathroom, and that 551 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 6: they had made a couple batches. At the time, Gavin 552 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 6: Wright and his brother owned a company called GMNG Mobile 553 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 6: Homes and they had made this HMTD at GNG Mobile Homes, 554 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 6: which was also a business that people came into. So 555 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 6: then we had concerns about people's safety. 556 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: They had also decided when the attack would take place. 557 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 6: They wanted to do it the day after the election. 558 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 6: This is in October of twenty sixteen, when Hillary Clinton 559 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 6: and Trump are running against each other. They didn't want 560 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 6: to do anything that would cause Hillary to be elected, 561 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 6: and so they were planning it for. 562 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 4: The day after the election. In November. 563 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: Actual preparation began. 564 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 6: At the same time, We're trying to set up a 565 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 6: second meeting with Brian and they were going to shoot 566 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 6: fully automatic weapons in a field. Curtis Allen and Gavin 567 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 6: Wright were still kind of on the fence, but it 568 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 6: looked positive that they were going to be coming to 569 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 6: the meeting. Patrick Stein was all in and Dan was 570 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 6: going to be there with Patrick. We had several undercovers 571 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 6: to try to make the shooting as safe as possible, because, 572 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 6: as you can imagine, if you have a group of 573 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 6: people that you're investigating shooting automatic weapons, and there's a 574 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 6: lot that goes into getting approvals for that. 575 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: The operation was ready to go, but then it hit 576 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: a snack. 577 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 6: It was Columbus Day. We had set up the shooting 578 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 6: in the field. We practiced how to run through with 579 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 6: all of the personnel that we were using. We finished 580 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 6: rehearsing and Dan Day gets a call saying Curtis Allen 581 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 6: has been arrested for domestic violence against his girlfriend. And 582 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 6: about the same time, Robin got a call from a 583 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 6: Liberal PD detective saying they might need the FBI's help 584 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 6: because they had just arrested in an individual who had 585 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 6: a lot of militia stuff and his girlfriend was saying 586 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 6: that Curtis Allen was part of a group that was 587 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 6: planning on doing something. So we leave the field and 588 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 6: we're like okay, So this is a new turn. Now, 589 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 6: what are we going to do? 590 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: Local police had stumbled onto the very plot that the 591 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: FBI had been watching for months. Amy and her partner 592 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: needed to improvise. 593 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 6: Local law enforcement still did not know about our investigation 594 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 6: at this point, so we came up with a plan 595 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 6: that Robin and I were going to go down to 596 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 6: Liberal PD and see what they had, and we were 597 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 6: still going to go forward with shooting the automatic weapons. 598 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 6: Curtis Allen is in jail, but the hope was to 599 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 6: still get Patrick Stein and Gavin. 600 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: Wright at the station. Amy and her partner sat down 601 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: with Alan's girlfriend. 602 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 6: We go down to go speak with Curtis's girlfriend. I 603 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 6: interviewed her and she is claiming that Curtis Allen is 604 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 6: part of a group that is planning on doing something 605 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 6: to Somali's She didn't no for sure what it was, 606 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 6: but she knew that involved killing Muslims and that they 607 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 6: had been making explosives. 608 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: Her motive may have been tied to their relationship impossible revenge, 609 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: but her information corroborated some of what the FBI already knew. 610 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 6: She and Curtis had gotten into a fight and he 611 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 6: had grabbed her arm and she was out for vengeance, 612 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 6: so she gave up all the information she knew about 613 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 6: Curtis and him being part of a militia group. She 614 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 6: also said he's making silencers and he has a bunch 615 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 6: of weapons. So Liberal PD did a search warrant at 616 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 6: their trailer and took all of his guns. They also 617 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 6: found potential bomb making stuff, militia stuff, and they found 618 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 6: a manifesto for the group explaining why they were doing this. 619 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: The writings laid out ambitions that went far beyond Garden City. 620 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 6: Ultimately, they wanted to start a chain reaction of militia 621 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 6: groups taking action against Muslims across the country. 622 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: The investigation had reached a tipping point. The conspirators were 623 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: no longer just talking. They were plotting a campaign for 624 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: nationwide violence. And with Curtis Allen behind bars, the question 625 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: was no longer whether to act, but when. 626 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 6: After the search warrants, we talked to the AUSA and 627 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 6: grand jury was the next week. So Wednesday night, leaving 628 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 6: we thought, well, indict these guys next week. About ten 629 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 6: minutes after I got home that night, I get a 630 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 6: call from the ASAC saying the decision has been made 631 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 6: that we are arresting these guys on Friday. 632 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: The timeline changed overnight. 633 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 6: We started working on everything that had to be done 634 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 6: in order to get these guys arrested. Friday. At six 635 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning, we reached back out to Stein 636 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 6: and Stein was going to deliver four bags of fertilizer 637 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,720 Speaker 6: to the undercover Friday morning. 638 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: Fertilizer may sound ordinary, but in the wrong hands it's 639 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: anything but. Mixed with fuel and a detonator, it becomes 640 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: a powerful bomb, the same kind that was used in 641 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City bombing. Stopping Stein before he could make 642 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: that handoff became the priority. 643 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 6: We also worked on a plan to arrest Gavin and 644 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 6: do search warrants at Gavin house, patrick Stein's house, Gavin's vehicle, 645 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 6: patrick Stein's vehicle. 646 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: Patrick Stein never made it past the parking. 647 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 6: Lot, so patrick Stein gets arrested Friday morning at the 648 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 6: McDonald's in Dodge City by the Kansas City swat team. 649 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 6: He pulls up and walks inside to meet with the undercover. 650 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 6: They have a short conversation and then they're walking out 651 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 6: to move the fertilizer from one vehicle to the other. 652 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 4: And they arrest him in the parking lot. When he 653 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 4: comes out. 654 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 6: The SWAT team handed him over to Robin and I 655 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 6: and we took him to the Sheriff's office and interviewed him. 656 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: Did he seem surprised? 657 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 4: He was very surprised. He was shocked. 658 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 6: He basically says, how could you do this? I had 659 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 6: a cross on and he saw my cross and he 660 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 6: was like, how can you allow them to arrest me 661 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 6: when we are protecting you. 662 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 4: You should be in my corner. 663 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: His accomplices soon followed. 664 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 6: Curtis aund was transferred into federal custody. And I had 665 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,760 Speaker 6: tried to interview him and he asked for an attorney, 666 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 6: so he didn't talk to us. Gavin Wright was arrested 667 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 6: and he also didn't talk to anybody. 668 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: By that Friday morning, the plot to bomb three h 669 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: five West Mary Street and kill as many as they 670 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: could was over. The three men who called themselves the 671 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: Crusaders were behind bars. 672 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 5: At THEI agents say that this investigation took them into 673 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 5: a hidden culture of both hate and violence. Thoriti to say. 674 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 5: Curtis Wayne, Allen Patrick, Eugene Stein, and Gavin Wayne Wright 675 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 5: were all arrested after they planned to bomb an apartment 676 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 5: complex in Garden City, in Southwest Kansas. The Council on 677 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 5: American Islamic Relations issued a statement after the arrest that 678 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 5: says state and federal authority should offer or stepped up 679 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,919 Speaker 5: protection to local communities. If convicted, all three men could 680 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 5: face life in prison. 681 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 6: They were charged with conspiracy to make a weapon of 682 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,240 Speaker 6: mass destruction WMD. 683 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: They were all tried together at trial. The defense strategy 684 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: was clear from the start. 685 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 6: They tried to use an entrapment case. They did the 686 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 6: openings in court, and one of the defense councils opening 687 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 6: was that we had conspired to put cases on these 688 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 6: guys when they were just law abiding citizens and part 689 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 6: of a militia group. Basically, they tried to argue that 690 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 6: these guys were just misunderstood and they were militia members 691 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 6: trying to protect themselves and they weren't actually going to 692 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 6: do anything, but the government pushed them to do it. 693 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 6: But the judge ruled that there wasn't entrapment. 694 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: The recordings the FBI had gathered left little room for doubt. 695 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 6: The other thing that happened is they got charged with 696 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 6: a hate crime. We worked with Civil Rights Division out 697 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 6: a headquarters to do a hate crime because in the recordings. 698 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 4: They talked about. 699 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,240 Speaker 6: Doing this because they were Muslim and because they were Somali, 700 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 6: and Patrick Stein called them cockroaches, and he said he 701 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 6: was the Orcan man and. 702 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 4: He was going to exterminate all of them. 703 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 6: And they had put a map up and labeled all 704 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 6: the places that Somali's lived and their stores. 705 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: The jury heard the evidence, and their verdicts spoke volumes. 706 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 6: They were all found guilty of conspiracy for Weabino mass destruction. 707 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 6: They were all found guilty of hate crimes. 708 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: When the case went to sentencing, prosecutors recommended life in prison. 709 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: Patrick Stein, the ringleader, was sentenced to thirty years. Curtis 710 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: Allen was given twenty five. Gavin Wright, who was also 711 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,760 Speaker 1: convicted of lying to federal agents, received twenty six. Looking back, 712 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: Amy as quick to share the credit. 713 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 6: Clearly, it made a difference in a lot of people's lives, 714 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 6: which I'm grateful for, but. 715 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 4: I can't take the credit for that. 716 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 6: I often tell people it's better to be lucky than good. 717 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 6: I mean, obviously I put a lot of work into 718 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 6: the investigation, but ultimately I think the right people were 719 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 6: around at the right time, and it was maybe faded. 720 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 6: I think God had a hand in it, So you know, 721 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 6: I just did my small part. 722 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: The FBI's investigation and the resulting trial saved countless lives. 723 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,879 Speaker 1: But for Amy, the real hero is Dan Day. 724 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 6: Had it not been for him, I think that Garden 725 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,319 Speaker 6: City would be a significantly different place today than it 726 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 6: was back then. 727 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: So interesting, like he comes to your attention because he 728 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: takes down a Palestinian flag in a library, right, and 729 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: by the end of it, he really single handedly, obviously 730 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: with the help of a lot of people afterwards, saved 731 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: so many people. 732 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 6: Yes, I consider Dan Day a hero, and I think 733 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 6: everybody that is involved in this case would say that 734 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,280 Speaker 6: Dan Day was a hero. 735 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 4: But then he had a heart condition and passed away 736 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 4: a couple years ago. 737 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: Dan's loss was felt deeply by those who knew him. 738 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: Over the years, threats have multiplied, terrorism has changed, and 739 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: the dangers now are more extreme than they once were. 740 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: But the tools to fight back are sharper and those 741 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: working to keep us safe are as determined as ever. 742 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,359 Speaker 2: Next time, on Law and Order criminal justice system. 743 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 6: We are following reports of a mass shooting at Tops 744 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 6: supermarket in Buffalo, New York. 745 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 4: I decided to see if my mother's cart was there. 746 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,359 Speaker 4: I got another detective asked him to go in. When 747 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 4: he didn't come. 748 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 3: Back, I knew and they actually used a shopping cart 749 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 3: to load the store manager and push that card out 750 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 3: and got them evacuated from the store. It's someone with 751 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 3: an easily acquired assault rifle walking into a public place 752 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 3: that has no security deterrence and opening fire. 753 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,840 Speaker 2: Law and Order Criminal Justice System is the production of 754 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,520 Speaker 2: Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts. Our host is Anna Sega Nicolazzi. 755 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 2: The show was written by Cooper Mall, Executive produced by 756 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,320 Speaker 2: Dick Wolf, Elliot Wolf, and Steven Michael at Wolf Entertainment 757 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 2: on behalf of iHeart Podcasts. Executive producers Trevor Young and 758 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 2: Matt Frederick, with supervising producer Chandler Mays and producer Jesse Funk. 759 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 2: This season is executive produced by Anna Sega Nicolazzi. Our 760 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 2: researchers are Luke Stantz and Carolyn Tolmage. Editing and sound 761 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,359 Speaker 2: designed by Trevor Young and Jesse Funk. 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