Speaker 1: I am John patche Damagory, I played Aaron Rose and
Speaker 1: Gossip Grow. We are rewatching the Magnificent Archibles. Welcome back
Speaker 1: listeners to your one and only source into all things
Speaker 1: Gossip Grow. You know you love it. XO x O. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to x O XL. I'm your host
Speaker 1: Jessica Zoor and today we are getting right into season two,
Speaker 1: episode eleven, The Magnificent Archibalds. This is a Thanksgiving episode,
Speaker 1: which in the Gossip Girl world means a lot of
Speaker 1: Upper east Side drama. This episode is all about what's
Speaker 1: beneath the surface. Serena hides her pass from Aaron Blair,
Speaker 1: learns that Cyrus wants to propose, and Vanessa gets caught
Speaker 1: up in the Archibald family's secrets. Joining me in this
Speaker 1: amazing episode is John Patrick Amadori, who plays Aaron Rose,
Speaker 1: serena artsy boyfriend and Cyrus's son. He was such a
Speaker 1: fun time on set and Aaron had some of the
Speaker 1: best moments in season two. So here he is to
Speaker 1: answer some of our questions. I can't wait to talk
Speaker 1: to him, so let's jump right in. He how's it going,
Speaker 1: Where are you? How are you? I'm in I'm well,
Speaker 1: I do all right, you know, yeah, but I'm in
Speaker 1: l at a friend in our bank room. I'm having
Speaker 1: work done in my house at the moment, some foundational renovations,
Speaker 1: se renovations and stuff, so I can't be there to
Speaker 1: do this. So yeah, things are things are good. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you're here. We are so pumped of you.
Speaker 1: I'm like fully in your whole storyline right now, so
Speaker 1: I like feel like i'm seeing I feel like it's
Speaker 1: not been so long since I've seen you, because you've
Speaker 1: been on my screen a lot lately, but it's really
Speaker 1: in life, been really since we were filming. I feel like, right,
Speaker 1: it has been like over over a decade, like sharing
Speaker 1: the same vicinity. Yeah, for sure. But we're so pumped
Speaker 1: to have you. I'm so pumped to have you, and um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, thanks for coming on, and things are good.
Speaker 1: This has just been so fun because it's like I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen a lot of this, and I remember reading
Speaker 1: your all of your stuff because I was like, who's
Speaker 1: going to be this like mysterious artists. It's like hot
Speaker 1: mysterious artists coming on. So we were all excited to
Speaker 1: see who was going to book Aaron Rose and we're
Speaker 1: pumped when it was you so so welcome, And I
Speaker 1: don't have you watched the show or was this I watched?
Speaker 1: I remember, I've seen clips of the show. I remember
Speaker 1: like over the years, I've seen little bits and things
Speaker 1: that have popped up periodically. I did kind of like
Speaker 1: retouch the episode that we're talking about today to kind
Speaker 1: of like refamiliarized with myself. And there were some things
Speaker 1: that I completely forgot. To be honest, I don't remember
Speaker 1: a whole lot, right, you know. I just remember that
Speaker 1: Aaron had a problem with like dating a lot of women.
Speaker 1: Like every time he was like, no, no, everything's cool,
Speaker 1: Like she would find him with another person, with another girl,
Speaker 1: and I was just like another one, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: yeah that's yeah. But I didn't I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't really watch the show. I woul also go through
Speaker 1: a period of time where like I really wasn't watching
Speaker 1: a lot of my own work, so like I was
Speaker 1: just very separated. Was in my early twenties, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, no, I do it, and I'm done
Speaker 1: with it. And then I learned that like it's okay
Speaker 1: to be a fan of the things that you're like
Speaker 1: doing stuff on and you know, yeah it is. But
Speaker 1: I get that because I was for years I was
Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch either because I always said
Speaker 1: your own worst critic. It's like even if you, you know,
Speaker 1: played it in a soccer game and scored, you'd be like,
Speaker 1: why didn't I pass it the other way? Why didn't
Speaker 1: I do it this way? So sometimes I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: just better off not watching because I'm just taking it apart.
Speaker 1: I start to enjoy if you get to critically. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So you're in l a um. We have John Patrick
Speaker 1: Amadori here to rewatch and break down or talk about
Speaker 1: and reminisce about the Magnificent Archibald episode, which is season two,
Speaker 1: episode eleven. And before we jump into it, how did
Speaker 1: it come about? Like do you remember getting the call?
Speaker 1: Was in an audition? Was it a meeting? Were you
Speaker 1: super pumped? Did you hear about the show? Like, give
Speaker 1: us a little rundown of like what was up? Okay,
Speaker 1: a little extra bit of it would be Pen and
Speaker 1: I used to test against each other for Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: pilots for like three years, from from like fourteen into
Speaker 1: like in our early twenties. I guess every year every
Speaker 1: other year, and Pen Pen book predominantly mostly. I just
Speaker 1: said I didn't book any of them, so if it
Speaker 1: wasn't me, it was either Pen or like something else.
Speaker 1: Uh So I remember Gossip Girl coming around pilot season
Speaker 1: and me kind of having a moment being like, Penn
Speaker 1: Badgel's going to get it. So I turned it like
Speaker 1: the like the initial pilot down and then yeah, then
Speaker 1: and then a year later casting had reached out and
Speaker 1: said there's another role. So I pretty much went in,
Speaker 1: and I think I was like the only person to
Speaker 1: go in. I've read a scene that was either from
Speaker 1: the book or was just a dummy scene that they
Speaker 1: had written where he Aaron is talking to Serena, and
Speaker 1: I just remember like the little notes just saying like
Speaker 1: he was an artist. I knew that he knew a
Speaker 1: little bit about him being based off of a loosely
Speaker 1: based off of an actual artist named Aaron Rhodes. I think,
Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, there was a note about if
Speaker 1: he was any skinnier, that he'd beat Morrissey. I think
Speaker 1: he's a vegan in the book. Yes, I actually do
Speaker 1: remember that. Okay, Yes, I took that to heart, like
Speaker 1: I walked around every day and I looked off of
Speaker 1: cigarettes and peanut butter stuffed pretzels and I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm getting skinny. I was just like I just didn't
Speaker 1: stop moving and just it didn't stop the caffeine and
Speaker 1: the nicotine, and I was just like of been constantly
Speaker 1: and I really I held it down. I think you did.
Speaker 1: I mean you was. Aaron Rose is great. He's he's
Speaker 1: so interesting and lovely, and you just played it so well.
Speaker 1: Also before getting into this episode, Um, Almost Famous is
Speaker 1: one of my most favorite movies, and that's just like
Speaker 1: so dope that you were in that. How did that
Speaker 1: come about? Like you sent a tape to Cameron correct. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of pre pre internet days, so I
Speaker 1: don't really know how my mom kind of figured out
Speaker 1: during this time how to get it there. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it was kind of like all of a sudden. I
Speaker 1: just remember seeing Variety and Hollywood Reporter, like the trades
Speaker 1: like magazines around and I know that like at some
Speaker 1: point she've been reading and she found out there was
Speaker 1: a there was an open casting call to Cameron Crow
Speaker 1: untitled Basic movie based off based on music. So I
Speaker 1: was really I was already playing guitar at the time
Speaker 1: and starting man and uh. And she came in and
Speaker 1: I was watching television. She said like, hey, Cameron Crowe,
Speaker 1: the director of Jerry McGuire, is making a move about music.
Speaker 1: I think we should put you on tape. And I said, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: So I got on tape and I played about a
Speaker 1: Girl by Nirvana. I talked about how music was universal
Speaker 1: and how we can relate to it through different languages,
Speaker 1: and essentially that was how I felt about music. And
Speaker 1: then I played Stairway to Heaven. And then like a
Speaker 1: week later, I got a phone call that they wanted
Speaker 1: me to come to l A to essentially play the
Speaker 1: lead character. And they asked how old I was, and
Speaker 1: my mom lied and said that I was twelve, but
Speaker 1: I was only eleven and it still wasn't old enough.
Speaker 1: They're like, he really has to be fifteen. And then
Speaker 1: another week or a couple of days went by, and
Speaker 1: they called back and said that Cameron loved my audition
Speaker 1: tape so much that he's going to write apart for me.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, it's John, that's so cool. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: looking back on it, like I just I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just went along for the ride. But
Speaker 1: now when I look back, I'm like, that was a
Speaker 1: pretty pretty neat, not normal way to kind of like
Speaker 1: have to book my first John. But essentially in a
Speaker 1: weird way, like I feel like just being myself and
Speaker 1: kind of following my instincts of things has been probably
Speaker 1: the way that I've been able to carry on for
Speaker 1: so long. It was just kind of like like you know,
Speaker 1: the precursor for you know what was to come ahead.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's so great. I love that. And how
Speaker 1: did you get into did you just fall you were
Speaker 1: always in love with music? And did you teach yourself
Speaker 1: guitar take guitar lessons or what? How did that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I was pretty self taught when it came
Speaker 1: to like movies and music. I don't know how. I
Speaker 1: just like I would go to the library and I
Speaker 1: would just grab CDs and stuff, and I would I
Speaker 1: listened to a lot of movie soundtracks, Like I really
Speaker 1: loved the movie when I was a kid, and there
Speaker 1: was a lot of ex Stone table pilots on it
Speaker 1: and the Cure did a cover of Joy Division. So
Speaker 1: I just kind of like around eight nine eleven, my health,
Speaker 1: my entire world was just about like emotions and emoting
Speaker 1: and you know, grading worlds and stuff. Right, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Were you more pumped to get almost famous or Aaron
Speaker 1: Rose on gossip or No, I'm just kidding, don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know the kidding. It's a totally different thing. But
Speaker 1: that's just that's also so cool because you are such
Speaker 1: different roles and you know, projects and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's just really rat and it's very like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was him. I knew that back
Speaker 1: in the day when you came on and remember being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, He's been one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 1: And then because it's just been so far, we've all
Speaker 1: been so removed from Gossip Girl, I like forget so
Speaker 1: much stuff. Yeah, like even in the episode. Well, let's
Speaker 1: get into this. Here we go, let's get into this.
Speaker 1: But here's a here's a fan question before before we go.
Speaker 1: The fan question is, if you had to pick an
Speaker 1: actress to play Aaron's mom, who would it be considering
Speaker 1: that someone plus Wallace Shawn equals Aaron Rose, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: who who would you have thought or picked? Hands down,
Speaker 1: Diane Weest is the only answer ever. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, that's great. Okay, So here's where
Speaker 1: we left off. Here we go, We're getting into the
Speaker 1: Magnificent Archibalds Season two, episode eleven with John here today
Speaker 1: who plays Aaron Rose. Okay, so we left off Aaron
Speaker 1: wants an open relationship with Serena. Lily found out that
Speaker 1: Bart has a background file on her. Jenny wants to
Speaker 1: be emancipated to start her own business, but Rufus doesn't
Speaker 1: want to sign the papers. I mean gossip girl, Okay,
Speaker 1: and then here is what this episode is going to
Speaker 1: bring us. Thanksgiving in the Waldorf House gets off to
Speaker 1: a rough start as Blair finds that her mother's boyfriend
Speaker 1: is getting in the way of her favorite traditions. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Lily finds herself trying to broker a peace treaty between
Speaker 1: Rufus and Jenny, and Serena is not quite ready to
Speaker 1: come clean with Aaron about her complicated past. Vanessa and
Speaker 1: Chuck come to Nate's aid when he is being forced
Speaker 1: to confront his father's crimes. Finally, Eric discovers a secret
Speaker 1: that Bart has been keeping from Lily. Okay, sometimes I
Speaker 1: read these, I'm like, this is one episode would not
Speaker 1: like and one episode there's so much going on and
Speaker 1: then and nothing gets resolved. It's it's an exactly and
Speaker 1: then another bomb is dropped. Aaron has another girlfriend and
Speaker 1: another and then yeah, I don't know, and then he's
Speaker 1: just yeah, we're gonna get We're gonna get there. Okay.
Speaker 1: So um, this is the Thanksgiving episode and blarn Serena
Speaker 1: by the lockers and she's complaining about Cyrus's family being
Speaker 1: in town, which includes you, um and the whole Also,
Speaker 1: by the way, him playing your father is just like
Speaker 1: awesome and that when that happened, I forgot that that
Speaker 1: that was even a relation, like you were related to him.
Speaker 1: I don't know in what world that actually criss cross
Speaker 1: and why. I've been such a huge fan of Wallace
Speaker 1: Sean for so long, and I was fortunate and a
Speaker 1: couple of rides to set with him and I at
Speaker 1: the end of the first ride, I told him I
Speaker 1: want to start the Church of Wally Sean because we
Speaker 1: would get stuck in araffic and anything. Just these little
Speaker 1: soliloquies that just would just calm the entire situation, and
Speaker 1: I feel like they were somehow food related, and I
Speaker 1: thought that was just matchic. I mean, the man's matching.
Speaker 1: He's so wonderfully I've loved him and so many things too.
Speaker 1: When I when his entrance, but I just wanted they
Speaker 1: dropped that he was your dad. I'm like, wait what,
Speaker 1: I was like shocked, But I love it. I know
Speaker 1: I'm for And when Blair is saying like how she feels, um,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about what Blair is saying about Aaron, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think she's being unfair to you? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think she's got a little bit of bias. I
Speaker 1: do think she if I remember, if I would call
Speaker 1: it correctly, she compares him to Bill Paxton, and I'm
Speaker 1: also so I was like, well, I feel like this
Speaker 1: is kind of a compliment. Yeah, you're like, thanks blairguided
Speaker 1: because she just doesn't understand who he is, right, But
Speaker 1: you know, I think she's validated and her kind of
Speaker 1: you know, she likes tradition. Traditions are fine. He's involved
Speaker 1: in that little so he is a little bit. But
Speaker 1: he's just so cute and his little voice, and he's
Speaker 1: just like I'm like, can you get you can't get
Speaker 1: cuter than that? And I thought the whole thing, I
Speaker 1: don't you probably didn't watch the episode before this, but
Speaker 1: when she's or a couple, she's excited to see her
Speaker 1: mom and meet her mom's boyfriend, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: comparing him to Hugh Grant. That's who she thinks gonna
Speaker 1: is gonna walk in. And then she's like, I got
Speaker 1: Danny de Vito, not Hugh Grant, and I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is like the best step dad situation you can have.
Speaker 1: Like Mr Hall from Clueless is everything? Yes, right, I
Speaker 1: mean he's amazing. Okay, So it's Thanksgiving, everyone's you know,
Speaker 1: getting ready to go grub down, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of family stuff going on from Nates to Bart with Lily,
Speaker 1: your family with Blair's coming together, and now Nate's back
Speaker 1: at school. So this whole family situation with Nate is
Speaker 1: that his dad has been lying and stealing and if
Speaker 1: it's all these things with money or something too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now yeah, he's back at school and Nate's kind
Speaker 1: of like shut everyone out because you know, he was trying.
Speaker 1: He had this flirtation with Jenny. Then Dan found out.
Speaker 1: Dan was upset and he was kind of talking to Vanessa,
Speaker 1: and then Jenny went behind her back. So he's now
Speaker 1: back at school. Um, but in this situation with this family,
Speaker 1: like can you imagine, like I'm torn for Nate because
Speaker 1: it's like it's your dad and you like for me,
Speaker 1: like I look up to my parents and no one's perfect,
Speaker 1: but I'm you still like your parents shine in a
Speaker 1: different light to you. I feel like or for me.
Speaker 1: So when all this is going on, I feel like
Speaker 1: he's still like forgiving and feels bad for what his
Speaker 1: dad's all doing, but like it's pretty intense, like he
Speaker 1: doesn't he's like squatting at different people's homes, Like what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the things that Nate's father actually
Speaker 1: going through, I mean they're they're they're wild wold scenarios.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine my folks going to those like, you know, extremes.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like, right, there's the internal battle
Speaker 1: is the inherent amount of empathy you have for your
Speaker 1: parents when they do wrong or they rub something Differently
Speaker 1: you grow up, you start to see your for me
Speaker 1: Like I grew up, I start of see my my
Speaker 1: folks as you know, people not just like my parents.
Speaker 1: So you know, I still love them and you know
Speaker 1: they're my my guides but at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: like I can see a lot of their faults and
Speaker 1: who they are and what makes them who they are,
Speaker 1: And I think what's kind of interesting for me to
Speaker 1: go in like that kind of how I read into
Speaker 1: things is Nate having to confront such an outside kind
Speaker 1: of thing about his father is going to make him realize,
Speaker 1: you know, what it means to to to be a
Speaker 1: part of a family and growing up. It kind of
Speaker 1: makes you like grow up a little faster. And maybe
Speaker 1: that in turn goes into why like you know, he's
Speaker 1: reaching out and finds a little bit solace and like
Speaker 1: it's a little crush on Jenny, you know, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. You know we we we associate our minds
Speaker 1: and our bodies with different things. Something's missing over here,
Speaker 1: we go over here. Yeah, I just I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: feeling so bad for Nate because he's just like I
Speaker 1: really feel like he has this big heart and is always,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to do the right thing, and he
Speaker 1: you know, the people that he's supposed to feel the
Speaker 1: safest with is like are lying and cheating and stealing
Speaker 1: and leaving, and it's like, fun, those are your parents,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, every time he turns around,
Speaker 1: it's like, really, yeah bad. But yeah, and I agree
Speaker 1: with what you were saying and these and I just
Speaker 1: I have a sixteen month old and a little stepdaughter
Speaker 1: that's six, and there's no book to tell you how
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a great parent or the right parent,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I think you when
Speaker 1: you get older, it's like you were saying, you see
Speaker 1: your parents as people, and when they do make mistakes,
Speaker 1: you realize it's okay, Like they aren't these perfect people
Speaker 1: that when you're little, you do you think your parents
Speaker 1: do no wrong, no harm ar you know, and that's
Speaker 1: just not the reality. When you kind of get older
Speaker 1: and you see that, it's it's a little bit of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean that's what you
Speaker 1: were saying. Yeah, came from place, so you did things right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: growing up is silly. It's actually speaking of this whole
Speaker 1: situation with Jenny trying to be emancipated from her parents,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're basically trying to divorce your parents, That's
Speaker 1: what That's what that is. Yeah, exactly, You're you're you're
Speaker 1: pretty much saying that I'm capable of making my own decisions.
Speaker 1: I'm living on my own, and I don't want you
Speaker 1: to have any saying which seems, you know, like a
Speaker 1: middle finger to your parents and you know, if they've
Speaker 1: been supportive to you. Yeah, I mean I I remember
Speaker 1: reading this at the time because I was thinking, I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone that's wanted to do this or anyone
Speaker 1: that's trying to do this, and I didn't. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is like a real thing. There's like kids out
Speaker 1: there that are literally trying to like go to a lawyer,
Speaker 1: get paper signed and leave their parents. Like that's gnarly
Speaker 1: and really sad. I feel like, like you can't, you know.
Speaker 1: So when she's doing this, I remember reading that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, gossip Girl, like she wants to just
Speaker 1: like go be on her own at fifteen or fourteen.
Speaker 1: That's like a theme though, I think in Gossip Girl
Speaker 1: or even just this this slight genre of television, as
Speaker 1: you take you take like a teen ankst feeling and
Speaker 1: then you hype you know, you you hypen it to
Speaker 1: almost one hundred to kind of really be able to
Speaker 1: see the black and white and the balance of a
Speaker 1: struggle with something right, Like it's not just her trying
Speaker 1: to get her dad to be like, hey, can you
Speaker 1: do that? She like wants to start a business, leave school.
Speaker 1: You know, I see what you mean, and you're right,
Speaker 1: it's like so far one way exactly. Like I didn't
Speaker 1: go to a party and get grounded because I was
Speaker 1: like trying to like get the fabric for my clothing line.
Speaker 1: She's like, I want to divorce you get my clothing line,
Speaker 1: and Barney's leave school, like the furthest It's so true.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, but you know, I don't know, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can. I've had some very
Speaker 1: supportive parents and like I said, like you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're really important in my life. Family is very important.
Speaker 1: We've always stuck together for still to this day. Like
Speaker 1: my mom and my grandmother are in town, so I
Speaker 1: love that. So you know, we're very close. So we
Speaker 1: talked to each other every day and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So I know I did. I was around other kids
Speaker 1: that were very independent and didn't have the same relationship
Speaker 1: and I have with life folks. So you know, it happens.
Speaker 1: But like I said, like it's just ing of like
Speaker 1: what is like Hey, I want to get a job
Speaker 1: and I want to be able to take care of
Speaker 1: myself somebody reliant on you versus I want nothing to
Speaker 1: do with you and you can't tell me what to do,
Speaker 1: you know, And when she's like when she's in shock,
Speaker 1: when they're in like this office, her and Eric, she
Speaker 1: didn't obviously know because it's also that it's that age
Speaker 1: where you think you know more than you do and
Speaker 1: you don't understand it until you're about ten years later.
Speaker 1: Maybe not ten, but like, but there's there's a weird
Speaker 1: balance between that age where like do you think that
Speaker 1: everything is permanent, but also at the same time, like
Speaker 1: you don't understand like how much of the future is
Speaker 1: going to last? He did, Yeah, and everything isn't so
Speaker 1: black and white and as dramatic or you know, urgent.
Speaker 1: Everything is real urgent at that age, like you need
Speaker 1: it now, you need it this every like, don't you
Speaker 1: think I know? I I yeah, I agree. I think
Speaker 1: there's a very urgent like is a really good word
Speaker 1: for it. I used to call it in patience, Yeah
Speaker 1: that too. You're just yeah, you just want ship now,
Speaker 1: like it's like come on, come on, come on, and
Speaker 1: you don't think things through, Like Ruth is a really
Speaker 1: great dad, like he really is as a single dad.
Speaker 1: I feel like he does a great job. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's not seeing like how much he does care and
Speaker 1: what he how supportive he really is, but at that
Speaker 1: age and how determined she is and how the urgency
Speaker 1: so I need it, need it. It's like washes that away. Well,
Speaker 1: feelings are very the impulsive feelings of a teenager definitely
Speaker 1: outweighed the logistical kind of mindset that you eventually grow
Speaker 1: into as an adult. You know, yeah, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it does something too. There's a rebellious nature to
Speaker 1: you know, not wanting to think that you know more
Speaker 1: than your parents. And sometimes like we're we are like
Speaker 1: we do know something our folks don't when it comes
Speaker 1: to our own bodies, our own minds, and like what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Yeah, yeah, sometimes we just don't have that
Speaker 1: kind of like sit back and let me hear from
Speaker 1: your side and then I'll make my decision later. Right. No,
Speaker 1: we don't question if you could go back for like
Speaker 1: a year to like that age, would you do it?
Speaker 1: Or are you like happy it's overdone? It's an odd
Speaker 1: question because it's like I do feel like as you
Speaker 1: get all their life just gets better. Like even in
Speaker 1: my thirties, I've liked it more than my twenties. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, like when I'm watching this show and
Speaker 1: like even just like the falling in love and the
Speaker 1: fashion and the things I'm like, the things that aren't
Speaker 1: like as dramatic and yeah, well you know, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the the sensation of a nostalgia is definitely
Speaker 1: stronger than the actual like will to want to go
Speaker 1: back to being a teenager, Yeah that's fair. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: being around other teenagers who don't know what they're talking
Speaker 1: about but make you feel like you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and not feeling where you belong and
Speaker 1: you know what you want to do, but you don't
Speaker 1: know how to express it to anybody. It's a very confusing,
Speaker 1: interesting time, it is. And then it's like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you are out of high school and it's
Speaker 1: I mean, you're still figuring it out three r twenties,
Speaker 1: three or thirties through life. I'm in my mid thirties, sown.
Speaker 1: I still I have no qualms whatsoever about announcing that
Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going on at any given
Speaker 1: moment that like I don't know. There's just stuff that
Speaker 1: I had, I don't know anything about it, and I like,
Speaker 1: I'm told, you're like, okay, see, oh, but that's good.
Speaker 1: It's okay to not be okay, it's okay to be okay. Okay,
Speaker 1: so okay to like not know things. And people are
Speaker 1: really that you know, No, people don't like to admit
Speaker 1: that they don't and I think, like, I think we
Speaker 1: would all benefit from just saying like, hey, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking like a lot. Okay. So now we're moving into
Speaker 1: like the captain returning and Nate and his mom are
Speaker 1: staying out of friends and when the captain when he
Speaker 1: has this offer, I mean, do you trust? Do you
Speaker 1: trust what the Captain's saying and doing? It's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like hard too, but it's like the captain is
Speaker 1: that what everybody calls him, except Nate maybe calls him
Speaker 1: just dad the captain. You can't trust him, like he's
Speaker 1: got his own kid in the Captain. So now you know.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm like, you're in the Caribbean, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, everything you've got going on, and you're
Speaker 1: chilling in the Caribbean. I'm like, even when their ship
Speaker 1: is bad, sometimes I'm like, the sounds pretty nice. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I know we got to go to a private island
Speaker 1: to escape the one. Yeah you know, okay. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: was like when he was like squatting at his place
Speaker 1: on the Upper east Side, but he's just gonna go
Speaker 1: to his Hampton's home. I'm like, Nate, that's you're pretty
Speaker 1: You're doing much better than the people in the world.
Speaker 1: You have two homes within two hours apart. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're good. Champagne problems. Champagne problems is exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: Because that being said, he may have the house on
Speaker 1: the Upper east Side his dad maybe you know, in
Speaker 1: the Caribbean, and then this house in the Hampton's but
Speaker 1: as you see, everything's falling apart. So all the money
Speaker 1: in the world is not even building a good foundation
Speaker 1: for for this kid in high school. Right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is gonna this is gonna Funcnate up a little
Speaker 1: bit for a minute. Yeah, I think so. I didn't
Speaker 1: continue to watch the show after this, but now I
Speaker 1: feel like Nate might be like my favorite character because
Speaker 1: he's kind of yea. He he seems to be the
Speaker 1: guy who's always trying to make the good decision and
Speaker 1: the world is always crumbling around him, and he's a
Speaker 1: boy of privilege, and but he has like an emotional
Speaker 1: turmoil around him. Yeah, oh my god, you're like, so
Speaker 1: right on the nose. I I yeah, I mean, I agree.
Speaker 1: I didn't articulate it that way at all since I've
Speaker 1: been watching, but that's exactly how I would like to
Speaker 1: say it. So right on. And then okay, so now
Speaker 1: we're coming. Aaron's coming up soon. So Serena calls Blair
Speaker 1: from Aaron's studio and says that she's worried that he's
Speaker 1: seeing another woman, or that you saw another woman earlier
Speaker 1: that day. And here's the thing Aaron with Serena a
Speaker 1: couple episodes ago when you got introduced, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get it why she likes him, Like he's hot,
Speaker 1: he's mysterious, he's an artist, she's his mus like there's
Speaker 1: all these things going on. I'm like, it's it's dope,
Speaker 1: it's rad, it's amazing. I love it. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what my thing was At one point, I'm like, if
Speaker 1: Aaron was like seeing all these girls, maybe just tell
Speaker 1: her from Jump, because that's maybe, and I'm not meaning,
Speaker 1: what's the norm? People to each throne whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. But she ends up like having all these
Speaker 1: vibes and feelings for you that she is willing to
Speaker 1: try that. Because the Serena that I've been watching and
Speaker 1: knowing and when I was working on the show and
Speaker 1: you know, reading the scripts and all the things, I'm like,
Speaker 1: Serena is not doing that. She's not sharing her man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So at first I'm like, Aaron,
Speaker 1: just tell her from Jump. I think you need to
Speaker 1: like tell her. But but then he's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: living my life. We haven't had the conversation. It's that
Speaker 1: kind of gray air in a relationship, you know, when
Speaker 1: you start dating someone. It's like, well, they didn't ask
Speaker 1: me if I'm seeing someone else, I don't really have
Speaker 1: to tell them. But it's like, yeah, but if they're
Speaker 1: like giving you all this energy and stuff, you probably
Speaker 1: owe it to them, maybe, you know what I mean? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think No, I agree. I I believe that nearly
Speaker 1: almost every like problem argument is all from stemming from
Speaker 1: like miscommunication or a non communication. So I agree I
Speaker 1: think that, like, maybe he should have set it up front.
Speaker 1: You know, she's gonna wind up, you know what she
Speaker 1: goes through, and because I think actually the only thing
Speaker 1: that I it's previously like she didn't there's an episode
Speaker 1: where Serena like gets really drunk and she's doing drugs.
Speaker 1: There's something thing was that that happened before this? Yes,
Speaker 1: it was before your character came in. Yes, well, you
Speaker 1: know in the b in a couple episodes when you
Speaker 1: were kind of being introduced, and it's the very beginning
Speaker 1: where we find out you guys went to camp years
Speaker 1: before and was up after she was just like she
Speaker 1: was just there and he's already cooking dinner for someone
Speaker 1: like the next day. Yeah. But what I think they
Speaker 1: did a good job of because I did not see
Speaker 1: it going to where it was where you were, you know,
Speaker 1: dating all these different people and kind of not an
Speaker 1: open relationship, but open relationship, you know, open relationships. So
Speaker 1: when you got on the motorcycle, I thought, oh, he
Speaker 1: gave her time, she didn't figure out the riddles, she
Speaker 1: didn't come back to him, So he's moved on and
Speaker 1: people don't move on from Serena. So here's gonna be
Speaker 1: a whole thing that's crashing down for Serena in the
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl world. And that's why the show I think
Speaker 1: is so good because looking back, I didn't I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen all these things. So I'm like, they have so
Speaker 1: much ship going on all the time, and I still
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, he's just moving on, and then I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: he's in like so many more episodes. You fall more
Speaker 1: in love with there and you want Serena to I
Speaker 1: mean I was like date him, and then especially in
Speaker 1: this episode when later on when you we'll get there
Speaker 1: in a second, I want to jump too far forward.
Speaker 1: It just made me so happy. I'm like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: like going to just dial in with her now, and
Speaker 1: I just liked that. But do you remember all that stuff?
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember kind of judging how like Aaron
Speaker 1: was coming about. I didn't know that he's gonna be,
Speaker 1: you know, such a polygamist I was, And then you
Speaker 1: know me as John like that so wasn't me. I
Speaker 1: was pure monogamy. Yeah, there's like my first long relationship
Speaker 1: at this point in my life, and so playing that
Speaker 1: kind of character. I just remember thinking while reading the
Speaker 1: script of things, I just like oh, I just have
Speaker 1: to play it straight and kind of oh, this is
Speaker 1: just how things are, which I felt I was hoping
Speaker 1: was the right way to go about it, because it
Speaker 1: wasn't a direct you know, something I could directly associate,
Speaker 1: you know and like my regular life. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: then so I did like when he said no, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm a one woman man exclusively right now. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a big and again I didn't see that happening
Speaker 1: because the whole thing was like, and it's saying something
Speaker 1: to Serena, you know, hey, this is a big moment
Speaker 1: for me. I officially stopped dating other women, which seems
Speaker 1: kind of like you could have done that before. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's ever teach thorough. He's also a little older, right,
Speaker 1: she's like seven, right, It's yeah, this is a you
Speaker 1: know he's been he's been sober and stuff for a
Speaker 1: while too in this scene, right, yeah, what is I
Speaker 1: don't know. I also I was remembering, like, well, what
Speaker 1: is this age difference here? Because Blake and I have
Speaker 1: like the same age, right, and I don't. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really say, but you definitely feel older than Serena. Like
Speaker 1: Aaron feels like he's like you know, been around the
Speaker 1: block a little bit, a little you know, he's traveled,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's you're not in high s. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit, and you didn't just graduate. He's
Speaker 1: an artist. He's got his own loft. He he gets
Speaker 1: paid to do the thing that he loves to do.
Speaker 1: He has installations. He's conceptually you drive a motorcycle, I
Speaker 1: mean exactly, like seventy two, like B S A or something.
Speaker 1: It's like yes, which is like left right foot clutch too,
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, he's a talented guy. Look
Speaker 1: at you dropping down the facts with that. I would
Speaker 1: have never known that. That's okay. Are you into motorcycles?
Speaker 1: Oh yeahycle okay. Question about that? When you had to
Speaker 1: drive away on that, did you actually or was it
Speaker 1: a stunt? Double? Because on set there always weird about
Speaker 1: ship like that. Yeah. It's funny because there's only been
Speaker 1: two times on step where I showed up and there
Speaker 1: was either like a stunt that was occurring that we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it beforehand, so no one asked me
Speaker 1: if I could ride, and I didn't sign anything about
Speaker 1: being able to do stunts. I don't think because it's
Speaker 1: gossip girlhood. How often do people really do stunts on
Speaker 1: the show. So yeah, I got there and they had
Speaker 1: me get on the motorcycle. I just started learning at
Speaker 1: the time, like I haven't kind of license and I
Speaker 1: hadn't written like anything other than like the smoke dirt
Speaker 1: bike in ten years at that point, so I was
Speaker 1: just like, no, I'll let the guy pull out. Plus
Speaker 1: I've never ridden with anybody on the bank, so I
Speaker 1: decided to stay away from it. But yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I remember being like pretty pretty stoked on the bike
Speaker 1: and it's an old school bench seat, which is so
Speaker 1: My first bike was a Triumph which mimics that old style,
Speaker 1: and right, it was pretty rap. That was pretty That's
Speaker 1: very cool. Um okay, So while you're telling Serena that
Speaker 1: you're sober, yeah, and she tells you that, do you
Speaker 1: I remember when when I was watching this, I'm like thinking,
Speaker 1: why not just tell him just say, like, listen, this
Speaker 1: is my past and I had a crazy pat you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: she's like so trying to like get you to like
Speaker 1: her or a version of her, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because I just don't understand, like Sreena just straight up
Speaker 1: tell him. He's a pretty like open dude, doesn't seem judgmental,
Speaker 1: is very into you, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: not like Aaron was coming across where she was going
Speaker 1: to be like, I used to drink and you're gonna
Speaker 1: be like bye. Oh yeah. I mean, obviously he used
Speaker 1: to drink too, and he stopped for whatever reason he did.
Speaker 1: He was obviously either drinking too much or just decided
Speaker 1: like he was doing it to fit in or whatever
Speaker 1: his reasons were, and he decided like, hey, I'm better
Speaker 1: not doing it. So she would have just said the
Speaker 1: same thing. But I think maybe it comes from a
Speaker 1: little bit of the fact that he just said I'm
Speaker 1: going to be exclusive with you, and then she is
Speaker 1: afraid of being judged, and her being a little younger too,
Speaker 1: thinking that like, oh well, if I just jump on
Speaker 1: his bandwagon immediately, then we don't have to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, that's that's the two side
Speaker 1: of thing. She's he just said I want to be
Speaker 1: exclusive with you, she doesn't want to mess that up.
Speaker 1: And they're also just people wanted to keep things to themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do. I'm that age thing. Is like a
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, if you're you know, seventeen
Speaker 1: and dating someone in the mid twenties, early to mid twenties,
Speaker 1: you are going to shift things a little bit. Sure, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to seem like you don't have your
Speaker 1: stuff together, because people even in early twenties seem like
Speaker 1: they hamper stuff together. They go, right, what I'm doing
Speaker 1: tomorrow exactly. Okay. So while that's going on, Eric finds
Speaker 1: out that bart Bass knows like things on the family
Speaker 1: like has a p I and and goes in with
Speaker 1: Chuck and sees the whole like, yeah, you know this,
Speaker 1: like what are they called with the luck the safe?
Speaker 1: I could not think of the word um, And there's
Speaker 1: like gold bars in there, like but he finds out
Speaker 1: is this a set phone? Yeah? And I was like,
Speaker 1: he's excited the fact that like, oh I can make
Speaker 1: a call from anywhere without roaming. And I was like,
Speaker 1: the dated this show is so dated compared to that's true,
Speaker 1: there's so much fun. Oh my god. But but I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, but I'm also like it's true. But
Speaker 1: I'm also like in this moment when they're like looking
Speaker 1: in here and there's files with everyone's names, you know,
Speaker 1: from Serena to Lily to Eric. I'm like, who, bar Pass,
Speaker 1: who are you? I know you're a millionaire, I know
Speaker 1: you have this empire, but like really, who who are you?
Speaker 1: Or who do you think you are? Like? Who does that?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I'm like, titled man, He's
Speaker 1: an entitled guy. I mean he feels like they're that
Speaker 1: entitled to like everyone's like personal private like background ship,
Speaker 1: Like come on, yeah, it's too much. I just feel like, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's respectful. Like even in that conversation about
Speaker 1: like should Aaron be mad at Serena for not fess
Speaker 1: enough to drinking, It's like, well, at the same time,
Speaker 1: I can't judge somebody for whatever reason they decided to
Speaker 1: like disclose that maybe you know, it really hurts whatever.
Speaker 1: And like, you know, if I find out something, maybe
Speaker 1: hopefully they'll tell me in their own time the way
Speaker 1: that they want to tell me. It's not really my
Speaker 1: place to say how they do it. So this guy
Speaker 1: going into every like deep diving into everybody's looks and
Speaker 1: crannies is really invasive to me, and I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Yeah, it was messed up. I'm
Speaker 1: like what, oh man, and then you're like, no, wonder,
Speaker 1: Chuck has these like issues, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like his dad's like looking into stuff and listen, if
Speaker 1: you're doing that, you feel judged no matter what. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what my past is. I could have a
Speaker 1: clean live in a glasshouse and whatever, which no one does.
Speaker 1: But like, no matter what it is, I feel really
Speaker 1: judged and violated that you thought it was okay to
Speaker 1: do that, and like, why are you doing it? It's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: It's insane. Okay, So now your dad Cyrus's family, your
Speaker 1: family is Cyrus are you know? At the Waldorf's and
Speaker 1: Blair's just like really, she's tripping over this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's she's like torn. She wants to
Speaker 1: like him because he's so likable and lovely, she like
Speaker 1: can't and she can't do it. And that's that's important.
Speaker 1: It's very important, Yeah, with teenagers and emotionally selfish people,
Speaker 1: as we all are as teenagers. Yeah, And at this point,
Speaker 1: de Rhoda kind of gives her like a secret, which
Speaker 1: is like I'm going to tell you a big thing.
Speaker 1: When you're a teenager in high school and my parents
Speaker 1: got divorced when I was in high school. My mom
Speaker 1: didn't remarried till I was out of high school. But
Speaker 1: I mean to know that, like there's going to be
Speaker 1: a marriage and someone else that is really coming in
Speaker 1: and really sharing your space and your life and your
Speaker 1: relationship to your mother. Um, I think is like a
Speaker 1: big thing. It doesn't always need to be messy or bad,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Not that mine was, but
Speaker 1: it could be a good thing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like she does really make her happy. But I still
Speaker 1: think in that teenage it's like a very heavy thing
Speaker 1: to take on because it's it is it. It's a lot,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of stuff. Change is a really big deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, even as an adult, change can be a
Speaker 1: really really big deal. You know. So if you know
Speaker 1: a teenager, like I was saying earlier, we feel like
Speaker 1: things are permanent and things happen really fast. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, my mom is dating somebody. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's gonna move in and I see him every day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I'm gonna know what kind of
Speaker 1: toothbrush he uses, and I my stepbrother might be Serena's husband,
Speaker 1: Like that will never get away from these people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Green and I stop being friends, and the he's still
Speaker 1: got to bring her over. I mean, it's a this
Speaker 1: is a mess. It's a it's a it's a puzzle.
Speaker 1: It is. How about then, now when Lily finds the
Speaker 1: papers that Jenny wants to present to divorce her parents essentially,
Speaker 1: and Rufus is like tripping, He's like, I just don't
Speaker 1: know where Jenny's ben. We can't find her. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a parent, that's like my first nightmare that my
Speaker 1: child would want to have nothing to do with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And can you imagine if I didn't see it coming,
Speaker 1: Like if my if my child was you know, an asshole,
Speaker 1: and everybody knew it. Yeah, I mean, it would it
Speaker 1: would hurt. It would hurt by you know, it would
Speaker 1: definitely hurt my feelings. I don't have it. I don't
Speaker 1: have children. But I remember there's a movie I think
Speaker 1: but Drew Barrymore in the eighties or late seven Days,
Speaker 1: where she divorces her parents. You know what, Eric mentions
Speaker 1: that in the movie, uh something differences Mercostyle, what is it? Yes, yep,
Speaker 1: four it's Ryan O'Neill, Shelley Long and Drew barrymorek He
Speaker 1: tells Eric tells him that when they're with the lawyer,
Speaker 1: she made me watch it fifteen times. So funny that
Speaker 1: you said that, that's so silly. Yeah. I remember watching
Speaker 1: or seeing a lot of that movie, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of times in my like youth, youth, and I
Speaker 1: didn't really understand it. My mom had, you know, slain
Speaker 1: to me what it was about. And the thing about
Speaker 1: that is that Drew Barrymore's character is very young. She's
Speaker 1: like six seventy nine years old. She's a young kid.
Speaker 1: She's not a teenager, right, So you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of interest. So I think that's why I like that story,
Speaker 1: is what it is. But yeah, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: you would, you would take it to heart. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody likes rejection and any capacity. And when your child,
Speaker 1: you know, the person you're supposed to protect doesn't want
Speaker 1: you to protect them anymore, that, yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a heartbreaking thing, heartbreaking. And then Lily has the information,
Speaker 1: so she's got to deliver this information to Rufus, who's
Speaker 1: she has obviously a special place for in her heart,
Speaker 1: obviously cares about Jenny, but is also a mother so
Speaker 1: to note, like if I had to call my you know,
Speaker 1: someone I care about dearly and say, hey, your child,
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to be done. I mean, like
Speaker 1: that's a really tough position to be in two And
Speaker 1: I think that Kelly really sees, she knows that Jenny
Speaker 1: really is a good kid at heart, and she just
Speaker 1: doesn't She's just in that. It's the urgent thing I
Speaker 1: think with Jenny, but she also just knows, like this
Speaker 1: is gonna crush Rufus. He's the single dad that tries
Speaker 1: so hard to give these kids this good education. They're
Speaker 1: going to the school in the Upper east Side, yet
Speaker 1: they come from a totally different, you know, walk of life. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So I feel like that was like a tough situation,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like for Lily and to
Speaker 1: have to tell that to Rufus, I mean, that's tough.
Speaker 1: I couldn't handle it. No, how about can you handle
Speaker 1: your run in with Dan and Rufus? Then that comes
Speaker 1: up next, which, by the way, you look like you
Speaker 1: could have been Rufus's son, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I guess you did say they called you to go in,
Speaker 1: but all in this scene, I'm like, wait, yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I could see the resemblance. Absolutely, I just look a
Speaker 1: little funny note about this scene is that when they
Speaker 1: come around the corner and I, as Aaron Rose, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at two cands of like holiday peanuts, and I'm
Speaker 1: comparing them, but they're both the same exact can. Did
Speaker 1: you notice that when you just rewatched it or on
Speaker 1: the day. I remember whenever we watched it, I saw that.
Speaker 1: Every remember they were like, you know, you're just looking
Speaker 1: at stuff, and I remember them saying, hey, can you
Speaker 1: lift those like whatever you're looking at higher? And I
Speaker 1: saw that, and for some reason I thought it would
Speaker 1: be really funny that, like this idiot I was just
Speaker 1: looking at the same things and comparing the same cans
Speaker 1: of nuts together. So they're just the same, the same,
Speaker 1: the same can. It's the same. It's literally the same can,
Speaker 1: the identity. And he's comparing them for price or sodium
Speaker 1: or something weight. I don't know what he's doing, but
Speaker 1: I thought that was really funny. It is funny he's
Speaker 1: looking at two the same things. I think we shot
Speaker 1: that in an actual grocery store. They just threw up
Speaker 1: some like lights and then we shot it in like
Speaker 1: three takes or something. Was it a grocery store in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn in like Dumbo. I feel like it might have been.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I think that, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I don't know if our trailers were there and
Speaker 1: I was in the next scene. I just remember it
Speaker 1: was a really cute grocery store too. I remember being like,
Speaker 1: I like this, Yeah it was. It was always small.
Speaker 1: I was really queen. It was really cute, and I
Speaker 1: remember it was a day which like it was almost like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna shoot this scene really quick because we've got
Speaker 1: bigger fish to fry. And it was just like, yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at nuts, I'm gonna find out some stuff
Speaker 1: about my girlfriend, and I don't think it's very nice
Speaker 1: that this guy's telling me about How is that you
Speaker 1: feel like in real life, like in that situation, is
Speaker 1: it as awkward as you guys made it seem in
Speaker 1: the scene? You feel like, yeah, I think it's awkward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't remember, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: more awkward when you meet somebody. If you meet someone
Speaker 1: like an ex significant other, and and then after the
Speaker 1: fact they're like, oh, yeah, I used to date that person.
Speaker 1: I kind of like before him going in. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: that it really makes a huge difference, but just no,
Speaker 1: but it's better to not be in the dark. It's
Speaker 1: just like then there's it doesn't make you feel weird.
Speaker 1: It's like I already knew, So that's fine. It is
Speaker 1: what it is. I totally agree with you. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is awkward. Obviously, Dan them have a past.
Speaker 1: You know, the way that Penn plays Dan is he's
Speaker 1: so naturally like nonchalant about, you know things, isn't so
Speaker 1: nonchalant about He's notchalant in a different way. So and
Speaker 1: I always kind of felt that, like Aaron was kind
Speaker 1: of the butting of hands is more about their both
Speaker 1: nachalant demeanor and both of them. Yeah, those guys an artists.
Speaker 1: And he's actually super laid back f him. And then
Speaker 1: he got Aaron who's like, yeah, but this dude's like
Speaker 1: her age and like vivid friends and has known her
Speaker 1: for years and they actually have been together for a
Speaker 1: while and he's really cool and then like laid back
Speaker 1: in him too. Right, Yeah, but in the way you
Speaker 1: guys played off each other was really great because there
Speaker 1: there was that tension, but yet you're like your nonchalant
Speaker 1: is like not what I gathered from it when I
Speaker 1: was watching, like nonchalant but also pretty direct. It was
Speaker 1: well that that was really I thought, you guys, chemistry
Speaker 1: and that whole like tension in that scene was really
Speaker 1: really good. I thought. Yeah, I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: can't remember how many scenes that I had with Pen,
Speaker 1: but like I said, like I've known Pen for a
Speaker 1: long long time and we still like Incubus songs together,
Speaker 1: like like tar and Singingcubus, and then then he moved
Speaker 1: to New York and I had't see him for like
Speaker 1: a while, so and yeah, we spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time like we're both too mellow cats and yeah, music
Speaker 1: got on pretty well. So I think I think what
Speaker 1: bleeds into the scene is probably just like us being
Speaker 1: able to like hang out and play off of each
Speaker 1: other a little bit. Yeah, it was it. I thought
Speaker 1: it was great. Yeah. There was like a couple of
Speaker 1: times we'd go and watch some of his shows when
Speaker 1: he would play out in about in l A. I
Speaker 1: remember one night, like Layton and Chase and I went
Speaker 1: and it's like so interesting to see like him on
Speaker 1: a stage and you know what I mean outside because
Speaker 1: we just were on that set so long, so many years.
Speaker 1: So it was like really nice and refreshing, and he
Speaker 1: just felt real comfortable all on stage. I felt like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a natural performer for sure. Yeah he's great.
Speaker 1: He is. Okay, So now we have Nate runs into
Speaker 1: Vanessa at the gallery and he is giving her a
Speaker 1: box of Pixie Box at c D s, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, let's talk about CDs for a minute, because
Speaker 1: you're you're an age, were like you had c d s, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you had to like make sure you had
Speaker 1: like a CD player at home. When you've eventually got
Speaker 1: a car that like it had a CD player in it,
Speaker 1: I was like so o c D about them getting scratched,
Speaker 1: like they needed to go the case and you had
Speaker 1: a line, you know, slip them in a little sleeves
Speaker 1: so you could flip through them, and you had it
Speaker 1: memorized to like and like, yeah, the organizing and which
Speaker 1: we had to do to have keep our CDs in order.
Speaker 1: And then I do you ever have like the friends
Speaker 1: who would get the CD players that like they hooked
Speaker 1: up into the car so it was like an aftermarket
Speaker 1: part and they would have like a CD changer in
Speaker 1: their trump so you'd have to like, yeah, trunk before
Speaker 1: you got six of them, and you would put six
Speaker 1: CDs in, didn't get in the car and travel and
Speaker 1: that's what you chose from. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: just normal. It was just kind of yes, we could
Speaker 1: listen to that. I had a three changer radio stereo thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that in the trunk of the car.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that just brought back so many feelings
Speaker 1: right now. I'm like thinking of all my friends and
Speaker 1: like Mike Emmer from high school, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he had that. John Mandel, Oh my god, it's a trip,
Speaker 1: it really is. We've come a long long we really have.
Speaker 1: Remember the cover, like you would take up the little
Speaker 1: booklet of the cover of the thing and you could
Speaker 1: open it up and they'd have like the lyrics of
Speaker 1: the song and different photos. I mean, wow, this was
Speaker 1: like a real it was it was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It had photos and the liner notes and people they
Speaker 1: sank and who produced different records. Yeah, a lot about
Speaker 1: the bands. And you would listen to the thing from
Speaker 1: start to finish too, oh, start to finish for sure, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And they skipped the CDs if you like, if you
Speaker 1: had your walkman and he bumped into it, it would skip,
Speaker 1: And I remember, like, you know, you wouldn't try to
Speaker 1: like the bump persistant and the base boost. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on to like to
Speaker 1: carry this big thing around in your pocket. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was so o c d about them getting scratched,
Speaker 1: like I'd have like the towel thing to wipe it off.
Speaker 1: I'd never like when I would see people take it
Speaker 1: out and their fingerprints would go all over it. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, you're a psycho. Like I just the idea
Speaker 1: that my my song would skip would send me into
Speaker 1: a frenzy because I know that, like potentially I will
Speaker 1: hit a bump or sneeze and somehow the song will
Speaker 1: be really extretly. I'm trying to think what my first
Speaker 1: CD was, but I can't. I don't even remember. Do
Speaker 1: you remember my first cassettes? I remember my first albums
Speaker 1: that I bought a cassette about Green Day Dukie, and
Speaker 1: then I bought Smashy Pumpkins Melancholinly in Infinite Sadness. It
Speaker 1: was the first two records ever about with my own money.
Speaker 1: Now you could be any agent click a button and listen.
Speaker 1: No matter what, your parents won't know into anything, anything anything,
Speaker 1: any music from any era, and nobody's going to know
Speaker 1: any better for it. Yeah, that's not spoiled. Okay. So
Speaker 1: Blair now is upset that Eleanor didn't tell her about
Speaker 1: Cyrus's proposal, and she takes to Rhoda and they leave Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: Blair's favorite holiday, and Deronda suggests, why don't they go
Speaker 1: feed the ducks because that's what Blair like to do
Speaker 1: when she was little, which I thought was so cute
Speaker 1: and I love their just little relationship and they're walking
Speaker 1: and then how funny. I was literally laughing out loud
Speaker 1: that her ring tone was I'm a slave, I'm a
Speaker 1: slave for you by Britney Spear. I was dying. I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, it's pretty, it's pretty fantastic, and there's like,
Speaker 1: don't answer that. I'm like, oh my god. We used
Speaker 1: to record those. I remember the first time, like I
Speaker 1: could get it. You could download like the eight bit
Speaker 1: versions of songs onto like your flip, and then people
Speaker 1: who had the razors couldn't get the actual song. I
Speaker 1: mean that was I didn't never do that, but I
Speaker 1: kind of wish I would have. I had some like
Speaker 1: weird eight bit version, like it sounded like Nintendo playing
Speaker 1: Pantera for like a long time and they are Queens
Speaker 1: of the Stone Age song too, and I had it
Speaker 1: for like a way too long. But some people I
Speaker 1: didn't really have too much stuff going on. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that's not more of a thing now, or is it
Speaker 1: like different ring Jones, like if we used to be
Speaker 1: way more. I don't maybe maybe maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just out of out of the loop. But
Speaker 1: I think the personalization of things seemed very important at
Speaker 1: the time. You know, even though our voicemails used to
Speaker 1: be songs. I used to record songs like while driving
Speaker 1: in the car before I would get a new phone,
Speaker 1: and then instead of a voicemail saying like hey, it's
Speaker 1: my phone, I would just play like thirty four seconds
Speaker 1: of anything. Yeah, just music. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: call waiting like oh I put you on. You know,
Speaker 1: the people happen at some point, I'm gonna do that,
Speaker 1: I think, just wait for the beat, but enjoy the
Speaker 1: music for a moment. Um. Okay, so now we're back
Speaker 1: at the pent House and there's chaos. You're there and
Speaker 1: Dan has brought up Serena's past, and Serena is telling
Speaker 1: you that Dan's lying. And you know what's funny because
Speaker 1: I've I've obviously watched it more lately than you probably have.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this back in the day when I
Speaker 1: was working on the show. Serena's always seems to be
Speaker 1: getting caught and lie even if she's not lying, and
Speaker 1: Dan's like, just say it. So I feel like this
Speaker 1: is a moment where it's Serena says that Dan's lying,
Speaker 1: even though it was really her that was lying. Um.
Speaker 1: I just felt like, I'm like, Dan's probably like, here
Speaker 1: we go against Serena, like you should have just told
Speaker 1: him that you haven't been sober that long? Um, But
Speaker 1: what did you think about When she gives you the
Speaker 1: history folder from Bart Bass? He doesn't read it right.
Speaker 1: He decides that I think you know what this is
Speaker 1: something that he doesn't read it. He gives her and
Speaker 1: says like I don't need to know, And I think
Speaker 1: I don't remember what he says exactly, but it maybe
Speaker 1: it alludes to like how I actually am as a person,
Speaker 1: where it's like you can tell me that a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff happened to you, and then you can unfold
Speaker 1: that stuff at your own pace when you feel comfortable
Speaker 1: to do it. You know. Sometimes, you know, I've met
Speaker 1: people that give you a lot of information all at once.
Speaker 1: I know people that have held stuff back, and you know,
Speaker 1: everyone deals with their traumas or their triggers or whatever
Speaker 1: it is differently. So I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's a very adult or you know, just a
Speaker 1: very self aware kind of move to say you can
Speaker 1: tell me when you want to tell me, because I
Speaker 1: like who you are now, and that's something else that happens,
Speaker 1: like you grow older, and it's not I don't really
Speaker 1: care if you get dated or what you did or
Speaker 1: what that is where people when you're a teenager, that
Speaker 1: stuff is very important. How many how many people have
Speaker 1: you kissed? It is like like one of the first
Speaker 1: questions you asked somebody that's sixteen years old, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like I don't really care, right exactly.
Speaker 1: We all got all got faces and uh you know right, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, oh my gosh, I'm like looking. There's
Speaker 1: like still so much that happens in this episode, and
Speaker 1: it's like almost done with so many things like drop again,
Speaker 1: like rufus, it's just like nuts. When Nate confronts his dad.
Speaker 1: Do you think at that point when Nate and his dad,
Speaker 1: he's like talking about like I'm you know, I'm sick
Speaker 1: of living in this mess that you've created for us.
Speaker 1: Like did you think he was going to turn himself
Speaker 1: in the Captain? No? I didn't think so I think
Speaker 1: I was in the person the captain is kind of
Speaker 1: a coward, And I think that's why I like Nate
Speaker 1: stepping up right there is the kind of talking to
Speaker 1: that his father needs. When you're that it almost father
Speaker 1: is reflective. When we were saying earlier, like when you're
Speaker 1: when your kid kind of knows more than you do
Speaker 1: or is more self aware of like what needs to
Speaker 1: kind of happen, that's a it's an eye opening thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's that thing going on. And
Speaker 1: then Eric finds out from Lily where they're sitting in
Speaker 1: the restaurant and Thanksgiving not with you know that she
Speaker 1: was in you know that at nineteen she kind of
Speaker 1: was going through what he just went through from trying
Speaker 1: to take his life, and he's kind of obviously shocked
Speaker 1: by it because He's like, why when I was going
Speaker 1: through this and fighting this and all these emotions and
Speaker 1: figuring things out and not wanting to talk about it,
Speaker 1: you know, with the world and the way that that
Speaker 1: whole Upper East Side is so gossipy and clicky and
Speaker 1: all the things. To have this big, heavy, dark thing
Speaker 1: that you're fighting, and then your mom went through it
Speaker 1: and doesn't mention it to you. I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: was literally like pissed for Eric. I'm like, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you say that? It's not like you, he went through
Speaker 1: what you went through. I mean, I know everyone's path
Speaker 1: is a little bit different, but I like, really, why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have said something? Yeah, I would think that
Speaker 1: by opening up, I think especially when you're going through
Speaker 1: dark times like that, you feel like you're alone. So
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. To know that someone else is
Speaker 1: going through something similar or whatever. Doesn't always help, but
Speaker 1: it definitely can, especially if it's your mother. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just maybe not, Yeah, it may not always help, but
Speaker 1: I just feel like when it's your mother and it's
Speaker 1: your son, and that's you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: that to me, I'm like, wow, that's wild. But again,
Speaker 1: it's like what you said earlier about Serena not telling
Speaker 1: you what the being sober or drinking rather is. Maybe
Speaker 1: Lily had her reasons and we shouldn't judge her for that.
Speaker 1: Maybe she there's a reason why she maybe that she
Speaker 1: was protecting him in a way or that a way
Speaker 1: that you know, so there's probably something that I just remember.
Speaker 1: That was another shocking moment for me. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: what you went through that and we know what Eric
Speaker 1: was like fighting and you didn't mention it. But you know,
Speaker 1: when I was younger, during that almost famous era, I
Speaker 1: was quite chubby and I had long hair, and people
Speaker 1: used to call me girl and make fun of me
Speaker 1: a lot. I had my ear pierce and I got
Speaker 1: a phone call from my grandmother and she said, she goes,
Speaker 1: John Patrick, I hear that some kids are giving you
Speaker 1: a hard time, And I said yeah. She says, do
Speaker 1: you know what the kids used to call me when
Speaker 1: I was in school? I said no. She said I
Speaker 1: am a dorky? And I was like that's not nice.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, it wasn't. But you know what, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and I was like, that's right, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh my god, your grandma's so cute. She's
Speaker 1: she's fantastic. You know, she saw me going through something
Speaker 1: and she wanted to kind of say like, hey, kids
Speaker 1: are goofy and they do the wrong thing, and that
Speaker 1: made me feel better. So I wanting Lily to open
Speaker 1: up to her son, who's going through almost an identical situation,
Speaker 1: seems kind of a miss a misstep on her part.
Speaker 1: And I also agree that it's hard to not judge
Speaker 1: somebody because you know, I think being judgmental and judging
Speaker 1: people for their mistakes or whatever is it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: conducive to a healthy relationship. So it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: really tough line there, you know whatever, especially as a parent. Right.
Speaker 1: I just also was like, wait that was in that folder.
Speaker 1: There was a part of me that's like, do I
Speaker 1: want to know what's in everyone's folder? And everyone's pat
Speaker 1: like you never know. On this show, they bring out
Speaker 1: some skelet tins on this show. Um and then okay,
Speaker 1: so now we have Blair and Rhoda are still walking
Speaker 1: around the city and they run into a crying Jenny.
Speaker 1: Who when Jenny has some of these emotional breakdown scenes,
Speaker 1: I'm like so feeling for her. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know, like she she's a little she's lost, like literally,
Speaker 1: like she wants to leave her parents. She's at this age.
Speaker 1: There's a weird thing going on with Nate. She's not
Speaker 1: sure if she piste off Vanessa, Dan's upset with her.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot going on. It's way way too much,
Speaker 1: yeah or sixteen years old. Yeah, emotionally it's just yeah.
Speaker 1: So they see her and this moment between all of them,
Speaker 1: like de Rhoda seeing Blair's mom get out of the
Speaker 1: taxi to find her, which is such a love moment
Speaker 1: for Blair because she's literally just telling Jenny like, you
Speaker 1: have parents that fight for you, Like my parents don't
Speaker 1: pay attention. You know, my mom doesn't pay attention to me, essentially,
Speaker 1: is what she's saying, which is really also sad, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So it's like and I
Speaker 1: find that like when when Blair's telling Jenny that it's like,
Speaker 1: here you are, you have like someone who loves you
Speaker 1: and cares for you and wants to support you in
Speaker 1: certain ways, and also it is like trying to protect
Speaker 1: you in certain ways and you want nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: to me. I was like, and then she wants nothing.
Speaker 1: She wants to leave her dad. And here is Blair
Speaker 1: who's like, that's all I want is for my mom
Speaker 1: to like support me, love me. So I liked the
Speaker 1: way that kind of when I was watching, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: you have me thinking all these different things about this
Speaker 1: right now. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, when she puts the code
Speaker 1: over Jenny like and de Rhoda is just always so cute.
Speaker 1: Then okay, here's this is like interesting too. Now. So
Speaker 1: Nate's there and it's talking with Vanessa and Chuck are
Speaker 1: there to like kind of be like, hey, glad, you're
Speaker 1: you know, you got your house back and you're gonna
Speaker 1: be here and he then him and Vanessa kind of
Speaker 1: something sparks again and they decided to maybe meet up,
Speaker 1: and you know, he says, I haven't heard from Jenny
Speaker 1: in a while, and she's like, okay, yeah, maybe we
Speaker 1: can you know, hang soon or whatever. So cut to
Speaker 1: then we get to the Humphrey Loft and Dan and
Speaker 1: Rufus get there and they're hoping Jenny's there and she
Speaker 1: comes around the corner. I started crying. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this baby girls there she comes around the corner.
Speaker 1: She ripped it all. Yeah, and then um, Vanessa is
Speaker 1: there and the whole Like I was like, wait, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with this? Like the mail? I remember
Speaker 1: when Dan was like bringing up the magazines and like
Speaker 1: that's kind of a weird moment to bring it up.
Speaker 1: They're just getting just tell her later. So I'm like, wait, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's going to see the letter from Nate that he
Speaker 1: wrote in the mail. And she sees this letter. And
Speaker 1: what the funniest thing is is when she when Vanessa
Speaker 1: decides to get up and go read the letter, I'm
Speaker 1: watching it and she opens it and reads it and
Speaker 1: it's not my hands and like, those are not my
Speaker 1: hands one percent. Someone else did the insert that day,
Speaker 1: whether I was like filming another scene or left for
Speaker 1: the day. But I rewounded three times and like that's
Speaker 1: so weird because I would have never remembered if I
Speaker 1: if you know, they filmed me. But I was actually
Speaker 1: shocked that I didn't. I couldn't remember if she actually
Speaker 1: opened the letter or not. And then when when she
Speaker 1: was leaving the table, I'm like, oh, ship Vanessa does
Speaker 1: because that's not something Vanessa would do. Like there's times
Speaker 1: where she could have opened computers and looked and doesn't
Speaker 1: and like, you know, peek around it, and she just didn't.
Speaker 1: So I always kind of, you know, that was me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's great, Vanessa, That's like a nice
Speaker 1: quality to have. And here she takes the note and
Speaker 1: opens opens it and reads it, and I'm like, whoa okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, in you know how gossip Girl is,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, it's going to go down in
Speaker 1: the next couple episodes now. So yeah, I was a
Speaker 1: little Did you think she was going to open it
Speaker 1: or did you remember? I was? I was. I was
Speaker 1: a little shocked. I didn't remember it at all. I
Speaker 1: was shocked though I didn't. The reason why I'm not
Speaker 1: shocked is because what you just said, it's almost like
Speaker 1: the writers know how to take you on one direction
Speaker 1: and then when you think like, oh, everything's gonna be
Speaker 1: hunky dory, like did they make your character do something
Speaker 1: in which like, oh, I wouldn't. I would not have
Speaker 1: done that with the character. There's a whole right, it's insane.
Speaker 1: We all have talked about this a lot doing the answerts,
Speaker 1: because there's so much stuff on the phone. If you
Speaker 1: found out that you had to be at work, you know,
Speaker 1: for another four hours during inserts like your hand on,
Speaker 1: like your elbow on like a pad said, it had
Speaker 1: to be so perfect, like yes, tilted a little to
Speaker 1: the right, focus like how far away? How close there
Speaker 1: touching the moving I mean, I feel like I've gotten
Speaker 1: pretty good at it. It's such an essential part of
Speaker 1: being on television these days. It's using phones. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: about that? Like there was a time where you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have a scene where there was a phone in it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I asked some friends years back that
Speaker 1: we're writers. I'm like, how much does that change? There?
Speaker 1: Like everything you used to have to like have obstacles
Speaker 1: to figure out how you were going to get you know,
Speaker 1: figure out the conflict and the solution and all these things,
Speaker 1: or figure out what the conflict was and do this
Speaker 1: to get that. Now you just are like, oh, text
Speaker 1: the person or google it or do that. They're like,
Speaker 1: so you it's so much actually more difficult, is what
Speaker 1: my friend was saying. And I'm like, that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was watching something the other day and someone was
Speaker 1: leaving a voicemail for somebody and it was a split
Speaker 1: screen and the person is ignoring the phone call for
Speaker 1: whatever reasons. But then the person instead of hanging up
Speaker 1: the phone and then texting them what they said in
Speaker 1: the voicemail, they like waited and we're like, well, hopefully
Speaker 1: she'll call back. I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: send the text message and send an email. It's urgent.
Speaker 1: This is a life and death situation exactly. It was
Speaker 1: like that was that was a huge platform to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, we have the means, Like, exactly, you
Speaker 1: have the means we can build. It's good. It's so true.
Speaker 1: Well I jumped before when when I said that she
Speaker 1: Vanessa saw the letter. There's a moment though, back where
Speaker 1: your whole family is, where Blair's dad is there to
Speaker 1: kind of give his blessing about your dad to marry Eleanor,
Speaker 1: which I thought was so cute, like like turn and
Speaker 1: then you see her like Blair's dad like pop around
Speaker 1: the corner. I'm like, that's so sweet and cute. And
Speaker 1: he has the largest pumpkin pie I've ever seen, literally
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I'm like, who, where'd you get that? For?
Speaker 1: Like an fe or something? It was so big. Job
Speaker 1: you're so right, Holy crap, do you remember filming on
Speaker 1: that set with the stairs and yeah, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: think I always liked filming in Blair's. I think we
Speaker 1: had the wedding scene there and uh yeah. It's also
Speaker 1: when I found out that Eric Rose was Jewish because
Speaker 1: I worried. Yeah, yeah, in that episode found out because
Speaker 1: they're all right, here you go. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't put I didn't put any of these numbers
Speaker 1: together to like write, I mean, you got Wallace Seawan
Speaker 1: and my last name is Rose. I don't know what where,
Speaker 1: what planet I was on. Oh my god, that was
Speaker 1: a nice I really did. Yeah. They were beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's pretty much wraps up the episode. Um, because
Speaker 1: you're a musician and love music so much, which I'm
Speaker 1: not a musician at all, but I'm very into music
Speaker 1: and live music and festivals and all the things. The
Speaker 1: soundtracks and the playlist that I've made while watching these
Speaker 1: they they are so great, like the music on Gossip Girls,
Speaker 1: so great, like some I'm like, I talked to Josh
Speaker 1: and Stephanie on their episode about it. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: guys killed it. Yeah, I remember. I think I heard
Speaker 1: I think in one of the scenes that wear a
Speaker 1: sonic youth T shirt and that's outside the hotel. We
Speaker 1: used to shoot at a lot and it was because
Speaker 1: we found out that Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon from
Speaker 1: Sonic Youth their daughter. It was a huge show and
Speaker 1: they used to watch the show with her, and I
Speaker 1: think they actually want up be on the show or
Speaker 1: using some of their music. I believe. So yeah, A
Speaker 1: couple episodes after, I wasn't after Aaron Rose the story
Speaker 1: ended and I was like kind of bummed about it.
Speaker 1: I was like I could have been around. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was really cool. And also the Pixies reference. I've seen
Speaker 1: the Pixies play loads of times, so I was reflecting
Speaker 1: on it. I can kind of say like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know gossip Girl, they had some good chase they
Speaker 1: did and it went all over. I mean, it would
Speaker 1: be the populist song and then some like indie band
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I forgot they even had this song,
Speaker 1: and then it would be some like weird like front song,
Speaker 1: and I'm like this is dope too, Like I just
Speaker 1: it was like right on that. I like it. Like
Speaker 1: it so much. Every time I'm like watching episode, I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm making this a playlist, and man, this and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, wait, I forgot about them. I have
Speaker 1: to go back and like dig out my CDs. I've
Speaker 1: never rewatched the show just for the playlists. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: discover some old stuff. Yeah I should. I'll send you
Speaker 1: a couple that I mean it's literally Misha zamming and
Speaker 1: then adding it to my playlist. It's literally just from
Speaker 1: the show. But um, yeah, okay. So here is our
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl closing quote. As the end of another holiday
Speaker 1: draws near, I'd like to take a moment to list
Speaker 1: all the things I'm thankful for. I'm thankful that, no
Speaker 1: matter how dark things might get, old friendships can still
Speaker 1: be rekindled. I'm thankful for new relationships that help us
Speaker 1: realize how far we've come from who we were, and
Speaker 1: how close we get when we can really be ourselves.
Speaker 1: I'm thankful to know that, no matter what they say,
Speaker 1: you can go home again, whether it's your home or not.
Speaker 1: But the thing I'm most thankful for how even the
Speaker 1: most giving of days, people can still do something unforgivable.
Speaker 1: Sign stealed delivered, I'm yours XO x O Gossip Girl.
Speaker 1: Well man, Yeah, I feel like ship's really about to
Speaker 1: hit the fan. With with V and J and Little
Speaker 1: Ja like all the things. But uh, and I don't
Speaker 1: remember really, so I'm like, that's what's been so fun.
Speaker 1: Like I get to go like be like, what what
Speaker 1: did they do or what happened? Or does she end
Speaker 1: up dating Nate or you know. It's so fun because
Speaker 1: it's just been so long and so many storylines, you know,
Speaker 1: like everyone hooked up and everyone did things and you
Speaker 1: know on the show. Like so anyways, I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing what happens. It's very very exciting. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Dear White People if you want to.
Speaker 1: How was that that was? I loved working on that show.
Speaker 1: It was probably we did four seasons over five years,
Speaker 1: and we all grew up. We're all like in our
Speaker 1: late twenties, we're all in our mid thirties. You know,
Speaker 1: we been through together. We were kind of our own little,
Speaker 1: our little punk rock show. You know. We had our
Speaker 1: little circle we walked in like the Outsiders and every
Speaker 1: event together like arm and arm Us against the world
Speaker 1: sort of thing. No, it was really great. I really
Speaker 1: missed like the writers and Jacqueline Moore and Justin Simeon,
Speaker 1: the creator and show runner of the show for the
Speaker 1: last couple of seasons, Like, you know, been a huge
Speaker 1: influence on just kind of helping me kind of just
Speaker 1: be more present with things. You know. It was really
Speaker 1: good experience, not just as a performer, but on a
Speaker 1: personal level. Yeah, that's so cool. And m are you
Speaker 1: working on anything now or you doing music? Still? You're
Speaker 1: doing You're like always doing music, all right? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: always playing. I haven't had time to kind of like
Speaker 1: record anything in a long time. I've recorded a lot
Speaker 1: of demos. Um showed the film that I don't know
Speaker 1: if it has a title at the moment, back in
Speaker 1: October of twenty one. I just did ad R for that.
Speaker 1: I just wrapped the first season of a show called
Speaker 1: Three Women. It's gonna be on Showtime. It's Shark starring
Speaker 1: do Wanda Wise, Sharing Woodley, and Benny Gilton Blair Underwood's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's as whatever Spectacular Asked is based off of a
Speaker 1: nonfiction novel. So it's based off of the three women
Speaker 1: and about their encounters of like their relationships and stuff,
Speaker 1: but also semi autobiographical to shaming plays about the writer
Speaker 1: and how she's writing the book and I play her
Speaker 1: love interests on that and we just wrapped that and
Speaker 1: hopefully that'll be out of like November. Yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I love that what could come all
Speaker 1: of you, all of you together. That's just like some
Speaker 1: magic there. That's so cool. It's it's amazing. I mean
Speaker 1: these days, you know, we don't do real table reads.
Speaker 1: It's all zoom related and like they make the silly
Speaker 1: zooms unsilly, like they just you know, we sit down,
Speaker 1: we read it. Betty Gilbin is crying through like laughing
Speaker 1: fits because her character is just out of control and
Speaker 1: she brings it all and you know to Wanda's in
Speaker 1: the same thing, and I just you don't feel silly
Speaker 1: about performing and it's really really great experience working. Wow.
Speaker 1: And this is called Three Women, Three Women. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. It feels like it's like right up
Speaker 1: my alley and like I'm fans of all. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: very pumped. Yeah, I really there's something in that. It's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a show about traumas and judgment and
Speaker 1: judging ourselves and self awareness and how we deal with
Speaker 1: our own stuff and uh, you know, it's it's from
Speaker 1: the woman's perspective and a woman's gaze, dealing with the
Speaker 1: male gaze and how that affects it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been very fortunate to work on
Speaker 1: projects that are also learning experiences. You know. I enjoy people,
Speaker 1: and this is a very like it's a very human show.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you'll like it all. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. Oh my gosh, yeah, I have my
Speaker 1: new show. I'm like, I'll be waiting, like I'll be
Speaker 1: the first person to like tune in. Um, well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. And I'm also I want to come
Speaker 1: watch you when you play music, like Brad and I
Speaker 1: will come. We like it's our favorite thing to do.
Speaker 1: We like met at a music festival. Our daughter's name
Speaker 1: is Bowie, so we love I'd love to like come
Speaker 1: watching like every every band and things you were dropping.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, he's got great taste and this is dope,
Speaker 1: so I'm into it. I'm playing on recording an album
Speaker 1: or record or whatever. My amalgamation of different sounds is
Speaker 1: over the next couple of months, and uh so I'll
Speaker 1: send you some music and then when I get to
Speaker 1: get some people together to play because I record and
Speaker 1: play all their instruments myself. So awesome. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so great. I'm coming for sure, coming so and
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. This was great, This was
Speaker 1: like so great. Yeah, it was fun, John Patrick, this
Speaker 1: was such a treat. Glad life is treating you so well.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to catch up again soon and
Speaker 1: catch you in your new projects and come listen to
Speaker 1: you jam out. You are really a wonderful, real artist
Speaker 1: in real life, not just what you played on Gossip Girl.
Speaker 1: I really dig your vibe, dude, I dig it. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me today. For you listeners,
Speaker 1: you know the drill. I'll be back next week. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited, y'all. Okay, so we'll see you soon. M
Speaker 1: x O XO is produced by Propagate Content and Meat
Speaker 1: Jessica's Or. Our show is executive produced by Lingley. Our
Speaker 1: producers are Diego Tapia, Kristin Vermilia, Emily Carr, and Hannah Harris.
Speaker 1: Original music by Moxie and Lune and the episode was
Speaker 1: mixed by Seth o Landsky.