WEBVTT - S2E11 The Magnificent Archibalds with John Patrick Amedori 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.039 I am John patche Damagory, I played Aaron Rose and 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:18.320 Gossip Grow. We are rewatching the Magnificent Archibles. Welcome back 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.320 listeners to your one and only source into all things 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:28.080 Gossip Grow. You know you love it. XO x O. Hello, 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.040 and welcome back to x O XL. I'm your host 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.800 Jessica Zoor and today we are getting right into season two, 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:39.280 episode eleven, The Magnificent Archibalds. This is a Thanksgiving episode, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.879 which in the Gossip Girl world means a lot of 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.520 Upper east Side drama. This episode is all about what's 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.400 beneath the surface. Serena hides her pass from Aaron Blair, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.000 learns that Cyrus wants to propose, and Vanessa gets caught 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.200 up in the Archibald family's secrets. Joining me in this 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:59.400 amazing episode is John Patrick Amadori, who plays Aaron Rose, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.760 serena artsy boyfriend and Cyrus's son. He was such a 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.480 fun time on set and Aaron had some of the 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.600 best moments in season two. So here he is to 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.959 answer some of our questions. I can't wait to talk 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:32.280 to him, so let's jump right in. He how's it going, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.000 Where are you? How are you? I'm in I'm well, 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.800 I do all right, you know, yeah, but I'm in 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:45.280 l at a friend in our bank room. I'm having 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.400 work done in my house at the moment, some foundational renovations, 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.640 se renovations and stuff, so I can't be there to 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:57.920 do this. So yeah, things are things are good. I'm 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.160 so glad you're here. We are so pumped of you. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.480 I'm like fully in your whole storyline right now, so 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.760 I like feel like i'm seeing I feel like it's 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.000 not been so long since I've seen you, because you've 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.680 been on my screen a lot lately, but it's really 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.600 in life, been really since we were filming. I feel like, right, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.880 it has been like over over a decade, like sharing 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.760 the same vicinity. Yeah, for sure. But we're so pumped 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.600 to have you. I'm so pumped to have you, and um, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.000 so yeah, thanks for coming on, and things are good. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.280 This has just been so fun because it's like I 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.160 hadn't seen a lot of this, and I remember reading 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.000 your all of your stuff because I was like, who's 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.520 going to be this like mysterious artists. It's like hot 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.600 mysterious artists coming on. So we were all excited to 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.720 see who was going to book Aaron Rose and we're 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.840 pumped when it was you so so welcome, And I 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.399 don't have you watched the show or was this I watched? 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.960 I remember, I've seen clips of the show. I remember 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.079 like over the years, I've seen little bits and things 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.080 that have popped up periodically. I did kind of like 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.240 retouch the episode that we're talking about today to kind 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.959 of like refamiliarized with myself. And there were some things 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.920 that I completely forgot. To be honest, I don't remember 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.600 a whole lot, right, you know. I just remember that 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.560 Aaron had a problem with like dating a lot of women. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.480 Like every time he was like, no, no, everything's cool, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.200 Like she would find him with another person, with another girl, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.000 and I was just like another one, Oh my god, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.400 yeah that's yeah. But I didn't I didn't know. I 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.000 didn't really watch the show. I woul also go through 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.600 a period of time where like I really wasn't watching 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.640 a lot of my own work, so like I was 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.880 just very separated. Was in my early twenties, and I 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.639 was just like, no, I do it, and I'm done 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.880 with it. And then I learned that like it's okay 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.320 to be a fan of the things that you're like 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.160 doing stuff on and you know, yeah it is. But 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.760 I get that because I was for years I was 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.520 I didn't want to watch either because I always said 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.880 your own worst critic. It's like even if you, you know, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.600 played it in a soccer game and scored, you'd be like, 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.240 why didn't I pass it the other way? Why didn't 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.040 I do it this way? So sometimes I'm like, I'm 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.160 just better off not watching because I'm just taking it apart. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:02.960 I start to enjoy if you get to critically. Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.800 So you're in l a um. We have John Patrick 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.320 Amadori here to rewatch and break down or talk about 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.400 and reminisce about the Magnificent Archibald episode, which is season two, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.160 episode eleven. And before we jump into it, how did 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.400 it come about? Like do you remember getting the call? 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.520 Was in an audition? Was it a meeting? Were you 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.200 super pumped? Did you hear about the show? Like, give 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.719 us a little rundown of like what was up? Okay, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:33.000 a little extra bit of it would be Pen and 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.919 I used to test against each other for Warner Brothers 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:40.960 pilots for like three years, from from like fourteen into 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.840 like in our early twenties. I guess every year every 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.840 other year, and Pen Pen book predominantly mostly. I just 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.719 said I didn't book any of them, so if it 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.240 wasn't me, it was either Pen or like something else. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.080 Uh So I remember Gossip Girl coming around pilot season 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.160 and me kind of having a moment being like, Penn 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.120 Badgel's going to get it. So I turned it like 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.840 the like the initial pilot down and then yeah, then 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.080 and then a year later casting had reached out and 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.160 said there's another role. So I pretty much went in, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.720 and I think I was like the only person to 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.800 go in. I've read a scene that was either from 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.720 the book or was just a dummy scene that they 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.480 had written where he Aaron is talking to Serena, and 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.440 I just remember like the little notes just saying like 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.120 he was an artist. I knew that he knew a 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.880 little bit about him being based off of a loosely 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.600 based off of an actual artist named Aaron Rhodes. I think, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.680 if I recall correctly, there was a note about if 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.680 he was any skinnier, that he'd beat Morrissey. I think 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.600 he's a vegan in the book. Yes, I actually do 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.960 remember that. Okay, Yes, I took that to heart, like 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.880 I walked around every day and I looked off of 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.160 cigarettes and peanut butter stuffed pretzels and I feel like 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.200 I'm getting skinny. I was just like I just didn't 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.600 stop moving and just it didn't stop the caffeine and 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.800 the nicotine, and I was just like of been constantly 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.080 and I really I held it down. I think you did. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.920 I mean you was. Aaron Rose is great. He's he's 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.760 so interesting and lovely, and you just played it so well. 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:15.400 Also before getting into this episode, Um, Almost Famous is 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.160 one of my most favorite movies, and that's just like 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.600 so dope that you were in that. How did that 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:25.840 come about? Like you sent a tape to Cameron correct. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.640 it was kind of pre pre internet days, so I 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.800 don't really know how my mom kind of figured out 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.640 during this time how to get it there. Yeah, like 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:36.040 it was kind of like all of a sudden. I 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.719 just remember seeing Variety and Hollywood Reporter, like the trades 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.120 like magazines around and I know that like at some 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:44.960 point she've been reading and she found out there was 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.320 a there was an open casting call to Cameron Crow 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.920 untitled Basic movie based off based on music. So I 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.040 was really I was already playing guitar at the time 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.240 and starting man and uh. And she came in and 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.880 I was watching television. She said like, hey, Cameron Crowe, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.599 the director of Jerry McGuire, is making a move about music. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.200 I think we should put you on tape. And I said, yeah, sure. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.600 So I got on tape and I played about a 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.800 Girl by Nirvana. I talked about how music was universal 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.360 and how we can relate to it through different languages, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.080 and essentially that was how I felt about music. And 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.120 then I played Stairway to Heaven. And then like a 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.440 week later, I got a phone call that they wanted 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.240 me to come to l A to essentially play the 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.920 lead character. And they asked how old I was, and 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.600 my mom lied and said that I was twelve, but 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.320 I was only eleven and it still wasn't old enough. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.320 They're like, he really has to be fifteen. And then 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.360 another week or a couple of days went by, and 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.920 they called back and said that Cameron loved my audition 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.800 tape so much that he's going to write apart for me. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:48.720 That's incredible. Yeah, it's John, that's so cool. Yeah, it's 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.720 looking back on it, like I just I was like, 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.560 you know, I just went along for the ride. But 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.040 now when I look back, I'm like, that was a 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.600 pretty pretty neat, not normal way to kind of like 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.840 have to book my first John. But essentially in a 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.040 weird way, like I feel like just being myself and 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.920 kind of following my instincts of things has been probably 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.520 the way that I've been able to carry on for 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.800 so long. It was just kind of like like you know, 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.880 the precursor for you know what was to come ahead. 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.280 That's like, that's so great. I love that. And how 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.040 did you get into did you just fall you were 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.160 always in love with music? And did you teach yourself 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.840 guitar take guitar lessons or what? How did that? Yeah? 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.720 I mean I was pretty self taught when it came 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.960 to like movies and music. I don't know how. I 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:32.599 just like I would go to the library and I 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.360 would just grab CDs and stuff, and I would I 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.559 listened to a lot of movie soundtracks, Like I really 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.480 loved the movie when I was a kid, and there 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.800 was a lot of ex Stone table pilots on it 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.319 and the Cure did a cover of Joy Division. So 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.000 I just kind of like around eight nine eleven, my health, 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.960 my entire world was just about like emotions and emoting 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.040 and you know, grading worlds and stuff. Right, that's awesome. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.080 Were you more pumped to get almost famous or Aaron 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.959 Rose on gossip or No, I'm just kidding, don't. I 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.280 don't know the kidding. It's a totally different thing. But 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.360 that's just that's also so cool because you are such 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.720 different roles and you know, projects and the whole thing. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.240 It's just really rat and it's very like, I'm like, 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.000 oh my god, that was him. I knew that back 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.760 in the day when you came on and remember being like, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.480 oh my god, He's been one of my favorite movies. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:23.960 And then because it's just been so far, we've all 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.079 been so removed from Gossip Girl, I like forget so 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.760 much stuff. Yeah, like even in the episode. Well, let's 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.280 get into this. Here we go, let's get into this. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.240 But here's a here's a fan question before before we go. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.400 The fan question is, if you had to pick an 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.040 actress to play Aaron's mom, who would it be considering 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:46.880 that someone plus Wallace Shawn equals Aaron Rose, which, yeah, 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.040 who who would you have thought or picked? Hands down, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.079 Diane Weest is the only answer ever. Yeah, I love 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:59.000 I love that. Okay, that's great. Okay, So here's where 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.599 we left off. Here we go, We're getting into the 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:06.080 Magnificent Archibalds Season two, episode eleven with John here today 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.000 who plays Aaron Rose. Okay, so we left off Aaron 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.920 wants an open relationship with Serena. Lily found out that 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.959 Bart has a background file on her. Jenny wants to 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.959 be emancipated to start her own business, but Rufus doesn't 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.040 want to sign the papers. I mean gossip girl, Okay, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.400 and then here is what this episode is going to 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.520 bring us. Thanksgiving in the Waldorf House gets off to 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.160 a rough start as Blair finds that her mother's boyfriend 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.840 is getting in the way of her favorite traditions. Meanwhile, 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.480 Lily finds herself trying to broker a peace treaty between 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.360 Rufus and Jenny, and Serena is not quite ready to 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.040 come clean with Aaron about her complicated past. Vanessa and 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.880 Chuck come to Nate's aid when he is being forced 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.440 to confront his father's crimes. Finally, Eric discovers a secret 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:58.240 that Bart has been keeping from Lily. Okay, sometimes I 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.280 read these, I'm like, this is one episode would not 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:04.199 like and one episode there's so much going on and 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.719 then and nothing gets resolved. It's it's an exactly and 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.040 then another bomb is dropped. Aaron has another girlfriend and 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.959 another and then yeah, I don't know, and then he's 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.240 just yeah, we're gonna get We're gonna get there. Okay. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.680 So um, this is the Thanksgiving episode and blarn Serena 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.800 by the lockers and she's complaining about Cyrus's family being 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:33.800 in town, which includes you, um and the whole Also, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.640 by the way, him playing your father is just like 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.199 awesome and that when that happened, I forgot that that 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.000 that was even a relation, like you were related to him. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:45.440 I don't know in what world that actually criss cross 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.200 and why. I've been such a huge fan of Wallace 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.480 Sean for so long, and I was fortunate and a 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.640 couple of rides to set with him and I at 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.280 the end of the first ride, I told him I 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.040 want to start the Church of Wally Sean because we 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.760 would get stuck in araffic and anything. Just these little 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.679 soliloquies that just would just calm the entire situation, and 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.400 I feel like they were somehow food related, and I 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.440 thought that was just matchic. I mean, the man's matching. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.280 He's so wonderfully I've loved him and so many things too. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.360 When I when his entrance, but I just wanted they 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.319 dropped that he was your dad. I'm like, wait what, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.280 I was like shocked, But I love it. I know 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:30.720 I'm for And when Blair is saying like how she feels, um, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.040 how do you feel about what Blair is saying about Aaron, Like, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.000 do you think she's being unfair to you? Well, I mean, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.319 I think she's got a little bit of bias. I 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.400 do think she if I remember, if I would call 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.000 it correctly, she compares him to Bill Paxton, and I'm 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.040 also so I was like, well, I feel like this 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.200 is kind of a compliment. Yeah, you're like, thanks blairguided 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.719 because she just doesn't understand who he is, right, But 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.959 you know, I think she's validated and her kind of 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.840 you know, she likes tradition. Traditions are fine. He's involved 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:05.040 in that little so he is a little bit. But 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.280 he's just so cute and his little voice, and he's 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.559 just like I'm like, can you get you can't get 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.240 cuter than that? And I thought the whole thing, I 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.439 don't you probably didn't watch the episode before this, but 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.880 when she's or a couple, she's excited to see her 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.120 mom and meet her mom's boyfriend, and she's like, you know, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.800 comparing him to Hugh Grant. That's who she thinks gonna 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.440 is gonna walk in. And then she's like, I got 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.800 Danny de Vito, not Hugh Grant, and I'm like, whoa, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.520 this is like the best step dad situation you can have. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.679 Like Mr Hall from Clueless is everything? Yes, right, I 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:39.319 mean he's amazing. Okay, So it's Thanksgiving, everyone's you know, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.200 getting ready to go grub down, and there's a lot 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.280 of family stuff going on from Nates to Bart with Lily, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.559 your family with Blair's coming together, and now Nate's back 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.319 at school. So this whole family situation with Nate is 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.920 that his dad has been lying and stealing and if 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:01.280 it's all these things with money or something too. Yeah. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.080 So now yeah, he's back at school and Nate's kind 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.679 of like shut everyone out because you know, he was trying. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.319 He had this flirtation with Jenny. Then Dan found out. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.040 Dan was upset and he was kind of talking to Vanessa, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.000 and then Jenny went behind her back. So he's now 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:19.360 back at school. Um, but in this situation with this family, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.720 like can you imagine, like I'm torn for Nate because 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.840 it's like it's your dad and you like for me, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.640 like I look up to my parents and no one's perfect, 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.200 but I'm you still like your parents shine in a 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.080 different light to you. I feel like or for me. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.720 So when all this is going on, I feel like 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.280 he's still like forgiving and feels bad for what his 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.440 dad's all doing, but like it's pretty intense, like he 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.520 doesn't he's like squatting at different people's homes, Like what, Yeah, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.840 when you're talking about the things that Nate's father actually 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.040 going through, I mean they're they're they're wild wold scenarios. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:57.400 I can't imagine my folks going to those like, you know, extremes. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.440 But I do feel like, right, there's the internal battle 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.440 is the inherent amount of empathy you have for your 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.240 parents when they do wrong or they rub something Differently 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.160 you grow up, you start to see your for me 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:10.640 Like I grew up, I start of see my my 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.000 folks as you know, people not just like my parents. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.720 So you know, I still love them and you know 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.280 they're my my guides but at the same time, it's 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.160 like I can see a lot of their faults and 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.080 who they are and what makes them who they are, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.360 And I think what's kind of interesting for me to 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.840 go in like that kind of how I read into 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.960 things is Nate having to confront such an outside kind 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.000 of thing about his father is going to make him realize, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.960 you know, what it means to to to be a 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.800 part of a family and growing up. It kind of 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.560 makes you like grow up a little faster. And maybe 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.800 that in turn goes into why like you know, he's 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.200 reaching out and finds a little bit solace and like 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.320 it's a little crush on Jenny, you know, right, Yeah, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.160 that's true. You know we we we associate our minds 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.000 and our bodies with different things. Something's missing over here, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.720 we go over here. Yeah, I just I'm like, I'm 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.040 feeling so bad for Nate because he's just like I 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.040 really feel like he has this big heart and is always, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.760 you know, trying to do the right thing, and he 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.560 you know, the people that he's supposed to feel the 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.600 safest with is like are lying and cheating and stealing 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.720 and leaving, and it's like, fun, those are your parents, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.960 you know what I mean, every time he turns around, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:26.040 it's like, really, yeah bad. But yeah, and I agree 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.240 with what you were saying and these and I just 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.760 I have a sixteen month old and a little stepdaughter 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.680 that's six, and there's no book to tell you how 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.840 to be, you know, a great parent or the right parent, 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.240 you know what I'm saying. So I think you when 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:39.840 you get older, it's like you were saying, you see 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.400 your parents as people, and when they do make mistakes, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.400 you realize it's okay, Like they aren't these perfect people 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.280 that when you're little, you do you think your parents 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.920 do no wrong, no harm ar you know, and that's 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.320 just not the reality. When you kind of get older 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.160 and you see that, it's it's a little bit of like, oh, okay, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.120 you know what I mean. I mean that's what you 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:04.600 were saying. Yeah, came from place, so you did things right. Yeah, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.880 growing up is silly. It's actually speaking of this whole 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.679 situation with Jenny trying to be emancipated from her parents, 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.400 I mean, you're basically trying to divorce your parents, That's 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.040 what That's what that is. Yeah, exactly, You're you're you're 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.000 pretty much saying that I'm capable of making my own decisions. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.720 I'm living on my own, and I don't want you 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.200 to have any saying which seems, you know, like a 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.000 middle finger to your parents and you know, if they've 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.640 been supportive to you. Yeah, I mean I I remember 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.119 reading this at the time because I was thinking, I 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.680 don't know anyone that's wanted to do this or anyone 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.600 that's trying to do this, and I didn't. I was like, Wow, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.400 this is like a real thing. There's like kids out 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.880 there that are literally trying to like go to a lawyer, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.280 get paper signed and leave their parents. Like that's gnarly 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.119 and really sad. I feel like, like you can't, you know. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.320 So when she's doing this, I remember reading that, I'm like, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.680 oh my god, gossip Girl, like she wants to just 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.280 like go be on her own at fifteen or fourteen. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.240 That's like a theme though, I think in Gossip Girl 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.639 or even just this this slight genre of television, as 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.840 you take you take like a teen ankst feeling and 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.200 then you hype you know, you you hypen it to 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.879 almost one hundred to kind of really be able to 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.359 see the black and white and the balance of a 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.520 struggle with something right, Like it's not just her trying 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.040 to get her dad to be like, hey, can you 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.359 do that? She like wants to start a business, leave school. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.159 You know, I see what you mean, and you're right, 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.080 it's like so far one way exactly. Like I didn't 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.840 go to a party and get grounded because I was 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.640 like trying to like get the fabric for my clothing line. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.600 She's like, I want to divorce you get my clothing line, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.760 and Barney's leave school, like the furthest It's so true. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.480 It's yeah, but you know, I don't know, Yeah, I don't. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.760 I don't know if I can. I've had some very 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.960 supportive parents and like I said, like you know, they're 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.359 they're really important in my life. Family is very important. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.960 We've always stuck together for still to this day. Like 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.159 my mom and my grandmother are in town, so I 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.320 love that. So you know, we're very close. So we 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.399 talked to each other every day and that sort of thing. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.560 So I know I did. I was around other kids 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.119 that were very independent and didn't have the same relationship 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.840 and I have with life folks. So you know, it happens. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:19.960 But like I said, like it's just ing of like 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.200 what is like Hey, I want to get a job 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:23.600 and I want to be able to take care of 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.080 myself somebody reliant on you versus I want nothing to 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.119 do with you and you can't tell me what to do, 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.280 you know, And when she's like when she's in shock, 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.720 when they're in like this office, her and Eric, she 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.440 didn't obviously know because it's also that it's that age 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.720 where you think you know more than you do and 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.800 you don't understand it until you're about ten years later. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.520 Maybe not ten, but like, but there's there's a weird 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.720 balance between that age where like do you think that 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.359 everything is permanent, but also at the same time, like 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.159 you don't understand like how much of the future is 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:01.920 going to last? He did, Yeah, and everything isn't so 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.520 black and white and as dramatic or you know, urgent. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.320 Everything is real urgent at that age, like you need 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.080 it now, you need it this every like, don't you 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.239 think I know? I I yeah, I agree. I think 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.480 there's a very urgent like is a really good word 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.680 for it. I used to call it in patience, Yeah 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.040 that too. You're just yeah, you just want ship now, 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.600 like it's like come on, come on, come on, and 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.040 you don't think things through, Like Ruth is a really 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.320 great dad, like he really is as a single dad. 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.400 I feel like he does a great job. So I'm like, oh, 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.680 she's not seeing like how much he does care and 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.440 what he how supportive he really is, but at that 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.200 age and how determined she is and how the urgency 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.159 so I need it, need it. It's like washes that away. Well, 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.880