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Speaker 1: they can't coach height, right, so they getting more and more,

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Speaker 1: so the inch and a half taller, but they had

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Speaker 1: gotten forty Listen to this, not forty pounds heavier forty

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Speaker 1: percent heavier forty percent him, Not forty pounds heavier forty

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Speaker 1: percent heavier. So he used to have guys and this

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Speaker 1: is the truth. Do you think back in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy two Miami Dolphins perfect season. Their right tackle was

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Speaker 1: six to five two hundred and fifty eight pounds. Ye. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Joe would always tell us he played at like two

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Speaker 1: fifty two. Yeah. Now, you've got guys six five, six

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Speaker 1: five and after six six, three fifteen, yeah, three twenty. Well,

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Speaker 1: Darryl Williams is three forty five. It's the right guard.

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Speaker 1: There you go, I mean, yeah, now, and you've also

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Speaker 1: got you also, you know, you've also got um I

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Speaker 1: think also with the advent of h with the advent

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Speaker 1: of the no touch rules and the and the three releases,

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Speaker 1: and then and now you've got also you've got a

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Speaker 1: window for smaller guys to get in the league too.

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Speaker 1: It used to be everybody was six two and weighed

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Speaker 1: whatever they weighed, you know, every you had to be

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Speaker 1: a kind of a big frame guy to because it

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Speaker 1: was such a raw boned game. You know, it's a

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Speaker 1: bar fight, and you had to be that durable big

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Speaker 1: enough to withstand the contact and stuff. Now, the speed

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Speaker 1: and all of that, and the fact that they can't

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Speaker 1: like closeline you and and whack you when the ball's

452
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: not coming over there, all that stuff because of all that,

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Speaker 1: smaller guys like me could played for a while bench

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Speaker 1: press champ at the combine. As you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people opted out. We heard them opting out, get

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Speaker 1: on the mic and say, I am not benching because

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Speaker 1: I will be day. I'm not benching by choice, not

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Speaker 1: because of an injury, you know, that whole thing. So

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Speaker 1: there were reduced numbers on the bench this year, but

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Speaker 1: Boston College guard Zion Johnson, thirty two reps, was the leader,

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Speaker 1: which you know, I think we've seen reps in the

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Speaker 1: forties over the years. I think the rep I think

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Speaker 1: that the the tops was forty nine or something like that,

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Speaker 1: fifty something like that. But yeah, not a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys on the twenty five pounds bench pressed town. However,

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Speaker 1: many reps you can do it. Zion Johnson could be

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Speaker 1: a first round pick probably, you know, definitely an early

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Speaker 1: day two pick. He was at the Senior bullhead and

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Speaker 1: ice week. So yeah, yeah, you want to you want

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Speaker 1: to give the big uglies some credit too, although I

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Speaker 1: mean Jordan Davis just completely stole the show because nobody

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Speaker 1: was expecting a three hundred forty pound human to be

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Speaker 1: moving anywhere near that fast and to put it in perspective.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Jason Peters, who went undrafted by the way,

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Speaker 1: ran at the Combine. He was listed as a tight

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Speaker 1: end out of Arkansas. You know, eventually, as we know,

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Speaker 1: he became a left tack four four eight five eighty five.

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Speaker 1: Now at the time he was only two hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty five pounds, which was big for a tight end.

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Speaker 1: And then as we know, he became a you know,

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Speaker 1: three hundred plus pounder to play offensive tackle for the

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Speaker 1: better part of and he's going to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: He ran a four eight five at two eighty five

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Speaker 1: and people thought that was otherworldly. I remember that it

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Speaker 1: was like two thousand and six or seven. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you're talking seventeen sixteen, seventeen years ago. Now you've got

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Speaker 1: guys that are sixty pounds heavier than that running faster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Jason Peters was considered an otherworldly freak. So even

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Speaker 1: the freaks are outdistancing the former freaks. It's crazy, It's

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Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. Let's take a quick call here from Dennis

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Speaker 1: and Buffalo was hanging on as a question for us,

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Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Dennis, Yes, there's a

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Speaker 1: moot point about your question about this weight and the

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Speaker 1: players are getting bigger and faster. I remember during the

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Speaker 1: old American Football League, you know, a defensial lineman was

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Speaker 1: by two fifty to seventy. That was really considered heavier.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why I think that the sizes and

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Speaker 1: the speed players today. When you're a young boy, you're

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Speaker 1: programmed to eat a lot of meat, and meat production

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Speaker 1: is put on. The hormones are more projected. That's a

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Speaker 1: chicken than beef old years. So that helps gain the

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Speaker 1: size of humans beings going up. But also is their

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Speaker 1: plight for exercise, you know, weight machines and gyms and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. So it's getting stronger, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: the protein that comes into the meet the harm moments

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Speaker 1: that I think helps build these players up. And they're

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Speaker 1: very aware of that kind of a diet if they

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Speaker 1: use it for nutrients whatever, it's more and more environmentally

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Speaker 1: now promoted advertised. Okay, second question, I know Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: is a very brilliant general manager, but I think he

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Speaker 1: may have miscalculated not to sign a Trubisky or another

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Speaker 1: contract a long time ago. Annoying that tradisky Is value

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Speaker 1: may rise because of the quarterback onslaught of who's going

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Speaker 1: to be the team is going to have this quarterback?

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Speaker 1: So I think and why I even understand why he

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Speaker 1: never would sign had signed Trabrisky and then and then

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Speaker 1: if a team he can get a trade, and he

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Speaker 1: should have had a thought of vision that maybe a

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Speaker 1: team Willet And thanks for the Yeah, it's not an option.

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Speaker 1: If that wasn't a chance, he didn't have a chance

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Speaker 1: to sign it. For more than that, you can say, well,

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Speaker 1: why didn't he should it? Well, Mitch Dubisky wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: signed it. It's that simple. Yeah, he wouldn't have mitched

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Speaker 1: woned a one year deal. That's good enough to do it,

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Speaker 1: and the Bills would were happy to have him because

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Speaker 1: just in case they had a guy, and Mitch was

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Speaker 1: a good guy. But you're saying that, yeah, Brandon probably

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Speaker 1: would have done that, absolutely, but Mitch wouldn't assigned it yea,

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Speaker 1: and rightfully so I wouldn't as signed it if I

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Speaker 1: was him either. So that's that's the reason. And you're

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna find out why he wouldn't signed it

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Speaker 1: because by not playing he h and thanks for the call.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it, Dannis. We gotta go, we're up against

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Speaker 1: the break here. Um. The reason why was because he

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Speaker 1: saw this for what it was, and Brandon Beans saw

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Speaker 1: it the same. It was a chance to reset his

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Speaker 1: career get with a winning program, which he did. If

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Speaker 1: he gets a little playing time, all the better, and

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00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: he got some mop up duty. He didn't look bad

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Speaker 1: doing it, played a great preseason game in the preseason

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Speaker 1: when he started in Chicago again as his former team

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Speaker 1: and was lighting him up. He maximized his value by

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Speaker 1: being a backups. You watch what he's gonna sign for

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Speaker 1: next week. Someone's gonna sign him for somewhere between twelve

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Speaker 1: and fifteen million a year if they think he can

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Speaker 1: start for them. That's right. At worst, he's doing ten

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Speaker 1: million a year. You want to know what he made

548
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: this last year in Buffalo two and a quarter. So

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Speaker 1: to think you would be able to get him for

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Speaker 1: more than a year at a price like that is

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Speaker 1: just unrealistic. And speaking of unrealistic, that was the word

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Speaker 1: that Sean McDermott used as far as resigning him here.

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Speaker 1: It's unrealistic. Why because he's going to make a bounty

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Speaker 1: of cash on the open market and he deserves it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he does, and He's the best prospect out there, and

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Speaker 1: that includes the draft prospects. In this draft, I was

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Speaker 1: the best guy available right now. Now, certainly you can

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Speaker 1: trade for anybody you want, but as a free agent,

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Speaker 1: Mitch Drubisky is a one is option one for a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams. We have to take a break here,

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Speaker 1: but when we come back, we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: our Twitter conversation Asian today, as free agency is fast approaching.

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Speaker 1: The legal tampering negotiating window opens a week from today,

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Speaker 1: with teams able to sign players a week from this

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Speaker 1: coming Wednesday. So with free agency approaching, who do you

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Speaker 1: want and how can the Bills make it happen? Let

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Speaker 1: us know at eighth three five fifty open lines for

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Speaker 1: you there one eight eight five fifty two five fifty

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Speaker 1: or hit us up on the tweet sheet. Steve and

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Speaker 1: I back in a moment here on One Bill's Line,

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalid to Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to one Bills Live here on a Monday,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you saw this, Steve, but not that, And I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing you don't because I don't see you as a

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Speaker 1: frequent subscriber to TMZ. You know that Hollywood. They're kind

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00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: of like the National Inquirer online, but they track a

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Speaker 1: lot of people all across the country. And TMZ ran

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Speaker 1: into Christian Kirk, who is set to become a free

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Speaker 1: agent wide receiver of the Arizona Cardinals, and a lot

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Speaker 1: was made of the fact that he, along with Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold and Kyle Allen, were on vacation with Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and their respective significant others for about a week in

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Speaker 1: some undisclosed location. Right, So, with free agency upon us

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Speaker 1: and Christian Kirk widely expected to hit the market, he

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00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: was asked directly by TMZ, who caught up with him,

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00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: somewhere are you going to Buffalo? And this was his answer,

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Speaker 1: quote possibly like I said, I'm just going to let

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Speaker 1: my team and my people that are helping me make

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Speaker 1: the decision help me out. We'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 1: End quote. Now, before Bill's fans get excited about Christian Kirk,

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Speaker 1: we have to take this into account. What is Christian

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Speaker 1: Kirk's market value? I would guess it's somewhere between eleven

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Speaker 1: and twelve million dollars a season, it's about what they're paying.

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Speaker 1: That's about what they're paying Digs, right, Well, I think

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more than that, but Digs a

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Speaker 1: little more than that. But here's the point. Kirk is

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Speaker 1: set to get his second contract. This is when players

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Speaker 1: are looking to take their big swing financially and get

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Speaker 1: the most money they possibly can. The Bills are not

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Speaker 1: in a position to be throwing that kind of money

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00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: around right now. Right they don't have them room. You

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00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: couldn't sign them if they wanted to. Yeah, yeah, and

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00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: they have some other things to take care of as well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get six unrestricted free agents on the

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Speaker 1: defensive line, whether you're bringing those guys back, you're looking

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Speaker 1: for new reinforcements, that's going to cost money, and you

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00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: have a lot more holes to fill there. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying they ignore the wide receiver position, especially with the

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Speaker 1: news late last week that we you know, provide here

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Speaker 1: on the show when it happened, when it was reported

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Speaker 1: by NFL Networks Mike Carafolo Cole Beasley has been given

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Speaker 1: permission to seek a trade, So I know receiver position.

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Speaker 1: The receiver position could be of even greater importance to

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Speaker 1: address on the part of the Bills going forward, if

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Speaker 1: in fact Beasley moves on and a trade is executed,

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Speaker 1: or if they just release him outright. But all that

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Speaker 1: being said, they have to get their cap in a

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Speaker 1: healthy position first. And you know, I'm sure you get

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Speaker 1: these questions too, but you know, people like cross paths

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Speaker 1: with Hey, how much of the bill is going to

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Speaker 1: really do in free agency? And what I say to

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Speaker 1: them is this, wait and see what they do to

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Speaker 1: create cap space this week, which is going to happen

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Speaker 1: this way, it has to ye, it's going to happen

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Speaker 1: this week. They've got to get their cap in order

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Speaker 1: to position themselves to accomplish what they want to accomplish

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Speaker 1: in free agency. And I asked Brandon Being that question

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Speaker 1: directly when we had him on the show last week

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Speaker 1: at the Cobbint and he said, there's still work to do,

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Speaker 1: but we'll probably get most of it executed mid till

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Speaker 1: late next week, which is this week now. And they

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Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do, Steve there, and

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Speaker 1: it's and here's the thing. And when you start playing

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00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: like the Bills are playing, you look at all the

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00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: guys that contribute anything, man that you can't do with

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Speaker 1: that think about the year that Dawson Knox had this year.

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Speaker 1: This is coming up on Dawson's fourth year in the league.

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Speaker 1: It's the last year of his rookie deal. He had

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Speaker 1: forty nine catches for five hundred and eighty seven yards

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Speaker 1: and nine t ds, forty nine for five eighty seven

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Speaker 1: and nine tds. Today, the Browns just franchise their tight end,

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Speaker 1: David and Joku, the first round draft pick they franchised him.

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Speaker 1: He had thirty six for four seventy five and four tds.

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Speaker 1: It's not even close, Dawson. Dawson Knox eclipsed David and Joku.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if he played all sixteen games, I'll

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Speaker 1: check out. Well, if he does, that's a that's on.

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Speaker 1: If he didn't, that's also a plus for Dawson Knox

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Speaker 1: because he did. Right. Yeah, no, I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: debating your comparison here, um, but yeah, that's if they

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Speaker 1: give David and Joe coup franchise, which is right today,

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Speaker 1: that's not good for the Bills, right exactly. That's my

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Speaker 1: bring it up. It's ten point eight million, and joke,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna make for the franchise tag at a tight end?

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Speaker 1: Ten point eight, ten point eight. He played all sixteen

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Speaker 1: games last year seventeen. Then he only played sixteen Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 1: did Knox play all of his he broke his hand, right,

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Speaker 1: I think he missed a game or two. Yeah, might

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Speaker 1: have missed a game. O, gosh, it's even worse. He right,

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Speaker 1: he did played fifteen games. Yeah, he played less game

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Speaker 1: less game than David and Joe Coup and had twice

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Speaker 1: more than twice the touchdowns, more yards. And then Joco

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Speaker 1: had like a one point two yard per catch average,

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Speaker 1: more than Dawson Knox. But Dawson had over one hundred

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Speaker 1: yards more receiving on the year. Good grief, thirteen more

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Speaker 1: catches on the year. And and that guy that David

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Speaker 1: and Joke wu just got franchised, Yeah, I mean he's like, well,

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Speaker 1: franchise well. And the reason they did that, hopefully is

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Speaker 1: to buy themselves some time to sign him to a

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Speaker 1: long term contract. Yeah, like you're not like perfect example

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Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns. If that was a defensive end,

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Speaker 1: They're not going to franchise him and put twenty million

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Speaker 1: on their cap. It's such a cost prohibitive franchise tag.

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Speaker 1: They would they would much rather try to hamm around

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Speaker 1: a long term extension. Here, it's a it's a time saver,

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Speaker 1: and it's not killing your cap because tight ends only

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Speaker 1: go about ten point eight okay on the tag, all right,

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Speaker 1: but ten point eight is in joku going to take

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Speaker 1: a deal that's less than ten point eighty year per year? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe think about it, Maybe he does.

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Speaker 1: If there's enough, why would you, Well, you could knock

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Speaker 1: it down. If you give him more money up front,

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Speaker 1: you could get the average, you could knock down the

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Speaker 1: cap hit. Well, I'm saying if you give him enough

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Speaker 1: bonus money in his pocket when he signs, you might

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Speaker 1: be able to convince him to have an average annual

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Speaker 1: value on the contract to be somewhere around that transition figure.

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Speaker 1: So you give me a five year deal, five year

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Speaker 1: deal with a lot of money up say in his

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Speaker 1: pocket point eighty year. It's only ten a year or

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Speaker 1: ninety years. So you go five year, nine per years,

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Speaker 1: forty five million dollars and he guarantee what thirty eight

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Speaker 1: million of it? Thirty five of it's thirty five million

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Speaker 1: of it. So he takes it and thin in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years of the contract, he's not making

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Speaker 1: anything right and it helps you a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: it helps you a little bit. Plus the caps going up,

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Speaker 1: all yeah, we always say the CAP's going up, but

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Speaker 1: you know, the money's already spent. But David and Joku

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Speaker 1: got franchise tagged by the Cleveland Browns at a tight

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Speaker 1: end and Duson knocks crushed him. The best is the production,

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Speaker 1: the happiest. The happiest guy today is Dawson Knox. He's

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Speaker 1: just he's looking at the tight end numbers and one

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Speaker 1: that's me yep, and rightfully so, because the cops are

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Speaker 1: driving up his price. Plus, I mean I get it

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Speaker 1: to you say, well, you know Baker Mayfield's not having them,

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Speaker 1: is not playing like like Josh Allen. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: part of it maybe. But let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: You think the Bills want to give Josh Allen the

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Speaker 1: worst tight end than the one they got. You think

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Speaker 1: they're I mean they're not. They don't want Dawson Knox

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Speaker 1: to go anywhere. Josh Allen didn't want him to go anywhere. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you want to maximize your maxim if you want

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Speaker 1: to maximize your maximized player, give him some wet But

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Speaker 1: you gotta keep those guys intact. Yeah, no, I don't

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Speaker 1: debate that. But we're talking free agency here, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the Bills have some work to do to get under

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Speaker 1: the cab. But let us know, with free agency approaching,

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Speaker 1: who do you want and how can the Bills make

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Speaker 1: it happen. I don't know if anybody saw this this,

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Speaker 1: but ESPN dot com did a write up and I

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Speaker 1: believe it was Dan Graziano from ESPN who was saying that, uh,

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Speaker 1: they're anticipating, with the Bills set to build a new

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Speaker 1: stadium here, that they may try to make a big

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Speaker 1: splash in free agency. If they're going to do that,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to make some very very difficult decisions

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Speaker 1: this week. And to me, Steve, the only thing that

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Speaker 1: signifies splash moves because if you look at this roster,

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Speaker 1: where is the only place you're going to spend giant

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Speaker 1: money for a quote unquote big splash, It's that pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: right right. That's really the only position where you're doing that.

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Speaker 1: You can't well, I mean I don't. I mean you

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Speaker 1: can do it at other positions, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you get the bang for your buck is what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I mean, you could bring in another big

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Speaker 1: name wide out right, but because every you know, but

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Speaker 1: you gotta do you look at the teams they're doing it.

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Speaker 1: You look at the teams that are getting a the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, look at the three guys they got, right,

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Speaker 1: But why would you. It's the same way with the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Look at the guys they've got. You need a bunch

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Speaker 1: of them, right. I would argue that you have a

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Speaker 1: one and a two already on your roster, and Digs

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Speaker 1: and Davis, and I think what you need. If you

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Speaker 1: want another veteran, fine, but get a three. Get a

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Speaker 1: guy that can be approven three for you, whether you

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Speaker 1: know it's Jamison Crowder or Adam Humphries, you know somebody

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Speaker 1: that's played. I'm because I'm not anticipating Cole Beasley to

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Speaker 1: be here in light of what transpired last week, and

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Speaker 1: so you got to get a guy that can line

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Speaker 1: up in the slot for you, that's a proven commodity,

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Speaker 1: and those guys have produced in this league at that position. Well,

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Speaker 1: Beasley may be here. Maybe he may be here, don't

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Speaker 1: I'm not optimistic based on transpire gonna trade for him.

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Speaker 1: He comes to the Bills and says, I want permission

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Speaker 1: to seek a trade. Why are you doing that? Why

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00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: are you doing that? Why is he doing it? Yeah?

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00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: Because he well, i'll tell you what, because he's anticipates

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00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: the Bills wanting to make a move from him because

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00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: of his cap number. He wants to still make that

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Speaker 1: money with somebody. When he finds out nobody wants any

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Speaker 1: part of it, he'll be sitting and the Bills will say, listen,

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Speaker 1: we want you here. Here's a new deal. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're in a position to even do that.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get rid of his existing cab number.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that's exactly what they'll do. They'll they'll

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Speaker 1: tear the deal up. Yeah, but you can't extend a

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Speaker 1: thirty three year old guy. You can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. And do whatever

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Speaker 1: you want, all right, we got it depends on the number, bro.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they know that they could get him for

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Speaker 1: you know. To me, he's yeah, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's an easy way out of that. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll see where it goes. But I'm with

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Speaker 1: what transpired last week. I'm not super optimistic. No, I

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Speaker 1: know he's back in twenty two. He was too productive

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Speaker 1: last year from nobody be uninterested in him. If we

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Speaker 1: take a break here, we'll get some of your phone

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Speaker 1: calls when we return here. On One Bills Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by collt of Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to a Monday edition of One Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve's tasker with you. We're gonna go to

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Speaker 1: the phones to see what you think as our Twitter

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Speaker 1: conversation today. With free agency approaching, who do you want

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Speaker 1: and how can the Bills make it happen? As we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: they're about five million over the camp right now, so

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Speaker 1: they've got a lot of work to do this week

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Speaker 1: to put themselves in position to make the necessary acquisitions

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Speaker 1: they want in free agency heading into the draft at

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Speaker 1: the end of April. But let's go to the phones.

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Speaker 1: At eight o three five fifty we go to Gary

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Speaker 1: and Hamburg. What do you have for his Gary? Or

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Speaker 1: On one Bills Live. Good afternoon. I just have a

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Speaker 1: question about the signing a Mitch Vinsky. Alright, I didn't

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Speaker 1: see the logic in that. Why would you sign a

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Speaker 1: guy that you're in time to keep for a year

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Speaker 1: and then have them learned the system and they have

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Speaker 1: them leave, and then you got to find another backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Haven'm forbid. Josh goes down week one, we're screwed. So

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Speaker 1: what's your opinion on being signing Trapinsky for a year?

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Speaker 1: First of all, Trubisky, If if Josh goes down this

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00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: last year, you're not screwed because Trubisky can play. Trubisky's

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Speaker 1: got a winning record with a bad franchise as a

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback, and he's got the same basic skill set

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Speaker 1: in the same style of play that your starter does.

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Speaker 1: So the Bills probably felt like they could win games

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Speaker 1: with Mitch Trubisky if Josh went down for a length

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Speaker 1: of time. The best way to steve I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: if Josh goes down this coming year in week one, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we got a guy that's probably inexperienced. He hasn't learned

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Speaker 1: the system for the full year, and it's like starting

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Speaker 1: all over again training somebody to be a backup. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: whatever are you going to do last year? You did

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Speaker 1: the same thing with Mitch Trubisky last year and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a problem. So what's the best way to answer

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Speaker 1: your question is to pose a question to you. If

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Speaker 1: you're the general manager of the Bills and you're looking

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Speaker 1: for a backup quarterback to Josh Allen, and you have

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Speaker 1: the chance to get a proven starter to be your backup,

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Speaker 1: but he tells you I'm only coming for one year,

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Speaker 1: but you know it's probably the best backup option on

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Speaker 1: the open market, and you can get him for two

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Speaker 1: and a quarter million, do you do it? In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I would not do it. I would look for a

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Speaker 1: guy with the same temperament as a Frank Reich they

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Speaker 1: had satisfied of being a backup for years, where the

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Speaker 1: guy can benefit from being on the team roster, learn,

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Speaker 1: learn the system once in a while, get thrown into

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Speaker 1: a game. See how he does, even if he's not

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Speaker 1: as good, even if he's not as good as Mitchell Trubisky.

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Speaker 1: You'd prefer to go that route, absolutely all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: then they did do that. Look at look if Josh

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Speaker 1: goes down a week one, how does that benefit the Bills.

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Speaker 1: You know it might benefit Mitch, but it doesn't benefit off.

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Speaker 1: Does it benefit the Bills? No matter who your backup quarterback?

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Speaker 1: How do you figure it doesn't benefit the Bills. If

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Speaker 1: you have Mitch Drubisky as your backup when you think

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Speaker 1: you can win games with him, then he do is

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Speaker 1: it if you have Charlie Bag of Donuts as your

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback and you have no chance to if you

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Speaker 1: have like you know, Taylor Heineck. My point, what good

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Speaker 1: is if he's gone after a year? Well, you're not

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Speaker 1: thinking that's the that's the whole point. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 1: Because you're worried about this year and do it putting

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Speaker 1: your team in the best position to win this year.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean felt he was doing that by signing the

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Speaker 1: best possible quarterback on the market to be his backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If Josh Allen god Forbid missed four games this season,

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Speaker 1: they couldn't have had a better scenario. People around the

850
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: league were saying the Bills not only had the best

851
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the division, they had the best two

852
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the entire division. With having Mitchell Trubisky on

853
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: the roster, it was an opportunity to put yourself in

854
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: the best failsafe situation at quarterback maybe in the entire

855
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: league with a couple of exceptions, and they chose to

856
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: do that because they could do it, and the and

857
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: the only drawback was you could only do it for

858
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: one year. So Brandon Bean thought it was worth it

859
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: to do that for one year, and I personally agreed

860
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: with him. Are you going to be looking for another

861
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: backup now? Yes? But last year you put your team

862
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: in the best possible scenario at the quarterback position. And

863
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: you're in the same spot this year that you were

864
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: last year. So what's the different thing that if Josh

865
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: goes down this September in Week one or whatever. I mean,

866
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a mess. It's just gonna be us.

867
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: I just don't know how that would have been any

868
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: come in and play well, what would last year have

869
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: been different? How would it have been different last year?

870
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Might this past year or it might be different. But

871
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking ahead. I'm thinking it's advantageous for them to

872
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: sign a quarterback that's going to be around for a while,

873
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: that can mature, learn the system, and and do well

874
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: after a period of time. I mean, it's it's a

875
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: crapshoot every time you sign a backup quarterback you don't

876
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: know what you got. Well, then well then I think

877
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: you just defeated your own argument. If it's a crapshoot

878
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: every single time. Why wouldn't you try to get the

879
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 1: best guy you possibly can. You're telling me it's a crapshoot. Gary,

880
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: you just defeated your own argument. If it's a crapshoot,

881
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: then you would sign Mitchell Trubisky because he's the best

882
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: damn quarterback you could have got. Back up, Josh Allen,

883
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean we're going in circles now, Yeah, I mean,

884
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: if it's a crapshoot, holy crap. Yeah, I mean, here's

885
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: the thing. You're you're no, Yeah, you just get the

886
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: best guy available. There's no question about it now. And

887
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I get this too. Now, in Buffalo's situation with Josh,

888
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: what you're looking at best case or probability is Josh

889
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna take you know, all the snaps. Okay, let's just

890
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: say that, certainly he could go down. Your team's not

891
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: going to be as good without him as they are

892
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: with him. But what the backup is supposed to One

893
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: of the benefits of having a good backup is that

894
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: he understands his role, which Trubisky took a hooklein and

895
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: sinker man. He was all in and his job as

896
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: backup was to help Josh get ready to play. Well,

897
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: that's what if Ryan Fitzpatrick was here, that's what he'd do.

898
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: If Andy Dalton is here, that's what he would do.

899
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: If whatever, Chad Henney, if he shows up in Buffalo,

900
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: that's what he would do, is get that guy ready

901
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: when they go into the game. You're right, the their

902
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: ability to play, it's best if they can mimic what

903
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback does. You don't want to put in

904
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: a Ryan Fitzpatrick in replacement of Lamar Jackson. They're completely

905
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: different types of quarter They have Tyler Huntley, who right

906
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: pretty close, very close to Lamar Jackson. So that's why

907
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: they got Traubisky, and that's this next backup quarterback. They'll

908
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: probably do the same thing. At least they'll try. They'll

909
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: try and listen, Josh's a little bit of a unicorn.

910
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: Let's face it. It's hard to get a guy. But

911
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: you need a guy that look, you know, looks and

912
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: acts and plays in the same style so that you

913
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: know the rest of the guys on the offense can

914
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: keep keep on trucking if they if they do switch quarterback,

915
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: and I look, yeah, I don't mean to get all

916
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: fired up about it, but you had a chance to

917
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: have the best backup quarterback situation in the entire league.

918
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: And the only and the only drawback was you can

919
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: only do it for a year. And you say, oh,

920
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: well now you're back to square one. Well yeah, but

921
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: you're back to square one in a lot of positions

922
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: every year year, and that's the job of the general

923
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: manager to fill those holes and try to make the

924
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: team better. That's the point of the whole thing. And

925
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: the other thing too, is and quickly because I know

926
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: we gotta go to break. But you know you're saying, oh, well,

927
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: you know it's going to be a disaster in week

928
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: one because of that. Look, if anybody loses their quarterback

929
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: in week one, in most cases, it's a disaster for

930
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: a whole multitude of reasons, not the least of which

931
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: is maybe you have a guy that's new to the system.

932
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: I understand you want to keep a backup in for

933
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: year after year after year after year, but you just

934
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: can't do that at every position on your roster. We

935
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: take a break here. When we come back, NFL Draft

936
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: analyst John Ledyard joining us, stay tuned for hour number

937
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: two here one Bills Live. We'll seen a second at

938
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: a Steve Tasker who has been all over the field

939
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: unique he was kind of a dual role player for

940
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the scredit here

941
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: of normalcy here, all right, our number two here on

942
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: a Monday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and please

943
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: to be joined now by NFL Draft analyst also does

944
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: some work on the Bucks for the Pewter reporters, John

945
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: ledrierd joining us here on the show. John, How you doing?

946
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: Are we officially in draft season or do we have

947
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 1: to do a little free agency first? Oh? I'm doing terrific, guys.

948
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: It's always a blast to beyond with y'all at some

949
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: point in the off season. And listen, it's all one

950
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: in the same. At this time, you get to the

951
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: call mine, you start hearing all the free agency rumors,

952
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: and you realize these two events are running right into

953
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: each other every year. Right now, you March, you got

954
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: the NFL transition tags. The fourteenth through the sixteenth of

955
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: March is the negotiating period. March sixteenth, free agency deals

956
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: can be signed trains. The trades are consummated March twenty

957
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: seventh league meetings, Then a fourth teams with new head

958
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: coaches can start conditioning April ly. I mean it just

959
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: goes on and on. It never stops. And we noticed

960
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: in our time we went to the draft to the

961
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: Combine this last week, we're there last week Thursday, Tuesday

962
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: through Friday. Things are starting to kind of shift at

963
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: the Combine. It's not quite of the old football football

964
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: all the time kind of atmosphere. It's a little bit

965
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: of a made for TV thing, and some of the

966
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: teams are deciding they're not even showing up. What do

967
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: you think is going to happen with the Combine? How

968
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: do you think it'll change over the next few years. Yeah,

969
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: it's all a time cost management thing for NFL teams

970
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: at this point in time. You know where's their time

971
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: best spent, especially the coaching staff. You always have the

972
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: scouts there, obviously in a lot of the front office people,

973
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: but for the coaches, which I think to draft really well,

974
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: you need continuity between the front office and the coaches.

975
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: That's why teams like the Bills and teams like the

976
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Box have drafted so well as because they listen to

977
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: each other, they work together. That's harder to do when

978
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: the coaches haven't met with as many prospects as they

979
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: do when they're an Indie. You've already seen some reports

980
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: start to come out. I know Peter King wrote about

981
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: it that if that is the case, if it does

982
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: move from Indianapolis, you probably will see less coaches and

983
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: attendance than you would have otherwise. And you're already seeing

984
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: it in Indianapolis. So yeah, it is a factor. NFL

985
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: is gonna have to weigh that against obviously, whatever the

986
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: most lucrative deal that they get is in a certain market. Yeah,

987
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm one to vote for India. It's just way too convenient.

988
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Everything's in walking distance and it's a long day, so

989
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: you know, you have everything conveniently right around you. It's

990
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: just you're able to do better work and you're more efficient.

991
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that a lot of the personnel people

992
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: would probably agree, since you also do some work on

993
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: the Bucks. John. I wanted to throw this one by

994
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: it because there has been some buzz in the last

995
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: week or so about the Bills being interested in tight

996
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: end Rob Gronkowski, whose contract is you know up again

997
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: and you know you the Bills did kind of kick

998
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: the tires on Gronk last year. Before he decided to

999
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: go play with Tom So, you know, where do you

1000
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: see things coming down on that, especially in light of

1001
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: the fact that the guy who he said he's always

1002
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: going to play with is at least right now, not

1003
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: going to be playing quarterback in the National Football League.

1004
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: I tend to think that Rob Gronkowski's going to retire.

1005
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't retire, I do think he'll come back,

1006
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: and he'll come back with a couple of teams in mind,

1007
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: the Bucks will be one of them. He loves Tampa Bay.

1008
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: He's got family down there, obviously, he really enjoys the

1009
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: locker room. Even beyond Brady, just connected really well with

1010
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. He and Jason Light have a really

1011
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: good relationship, and that will matter to him. All those

1012
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: things matter to a guy that's wired like Gronkowski, But

1013
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean when he's looking at his options and saying, Okay,

1014
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: I probably want to play one year, one more year.

1015
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: He's going year to year. He already said that last

1016
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: offseason that he won't look at his options and say,

1017
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: you know what, I've just got a better chance of

1018
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: winning another ring in Buffalo. I've got a better chance

1019
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: of winning another ring in Cincinnati, and so those could

1020
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: be options for him. I think both teams that could

1021
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: would use another tight end for sure, another weapon, something

1022
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: else to help put them over the top. Anybody you

1023
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: think Gronkowski's game has fallen off is just has not

1024
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: watched him. I mean, his game is He's still at

1025
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: the top of his game, especially as a receiver, as

1026
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: a pass protector. You know, those aspects of his game

1027
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: just are so elite. Still still clearly in my mind,

1028
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: one of the best tight ends in the NFL. So

1029
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: wherever he goes and whatever team he's able to help

1030
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: is going to get a huge weapon if he's able

1031
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: to stay healthy all season. He showed last season that

1032
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: he's still at the top of that game and at

1033
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: top of his conditioning as well. And I think it's

1034
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: gonna be huge pickup in the Bills absolutely obviously as

1035
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: his hometown team. You know, he's probably always wanted to,

1036
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, see if you can go out with one

1037
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: more year for his hometown team. It makes a ton

1038
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: of sense to me that this would be the move

1039
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: if Gronkowski does decide to come back. At the current time,

1040
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like any of the top named quarterbacks,

1041
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: even though they've had conversations Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers, Russ Wilson.

1042
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: You get down the list, like over the past two

1043
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: or three years, we've had a number of high level

1044
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks switch spots, and then there's some retirements and that

1045
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Do you think the quarterback mark has

1046
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: settled in now we're gonna kind of have we seen

1047
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: the last of these top guys moving around? Yeah? I

1048
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: think we have. I don't think Russell Wilson's going to

1049
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: get moved. You know, look at the situation last year

1050
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: with Matt Stafford. He asked for a trade right away.

1051
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: If Russell Wilson wanted to move, he knew the best

1052
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: time has already kind of passing him by for them

1053
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: to be able to find a great trade partner. He's

1054
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: not asked out either the last two years. There's been

1055
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: certainly rumors and rumblings of discomfort there, but he has

1056
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: not asked out. He wants to finish his career there

1057
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: if possible, and they are not itching to trade him

1058
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: for sure, So I think he's staying. Deshaun Watson situation

1059
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: is impossible right now to make any sort of prediction

1060
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: on it. Seems like Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr and

1061
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: some of these other guys are staying put as well.

1062
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: The reality is teams look out there and they say, Okay,

1063
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: if we're going to trade our guy, we at least

1064
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: want to play and be in place, you know, something

1065
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: to bridge us to the next guy. And there's hardly

1066
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: even any of those types of hillabon rosters right now.

1067
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: And so you look at that, couple it with the draft.

1068
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 1: It's a weak quarterback class in the draft. It's gonna

1069
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: be well. I know we have a lot of turning

1070
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: for a year to year in terms of which teams

1071
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: are the best teams, but I really believe a lot

1072
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: of the teams who were the top playoff teams this

1073
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: past season are going to be once again this upcoming

1074
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: year because not much is going to change on the

1075
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: quarterback front. We are firmly entrenched in mock draft season.

1076
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I know you had a recent mock yourself,

1077
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: and with the Bills, you go cornerback there. I'll let

1078
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: you talk about who you pick specifically. That is not

1079
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: an unpopular pick. Cornerback is definitely a position that even

1080
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: Bills fans are hoping that the team addresses maybe in

1081
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: free agency as well as the draft, So maybe just

1082
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: tell us you were picked there at twenty five for Buffalo. Yeah,

1083
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean my last mock draft was three weeks ago, guys,

1084
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: and I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning,

1085
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: So you had er I was gonna say, I thought

1086
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: it was Kayer Elam. I was gonna guess and say

1087
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: it was Kayer Elam. But yeah, from Florida. You know,

1088
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: he tested great the other day too, which is really

1089
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: encouraging for him because his stock, I really think it's

1090
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction right now. There's some moments

1091
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: on tape where he you know, he loses a football

1092
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: down the field and you think, man, can he stay

1093
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: connected all the way? But his size, his speed, his

1094
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: physicality that typically rises up the board really fast for teams.

1095
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: He has some awesome moments in press coverage that are

1096
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: better than really any other quarterback of the class, to

1097
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: be honest with you, especially if you look in recent

1098
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: years taking that out with Derek Stinley. So he really

1099
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: I think he can be a guy that rises up

1100
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: the board and he may be off the board now

1101
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: before the Bills even pick. But you know, the one concern.

1102
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: I just don't know what teams are gonna do. I've

1103
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: never wanted to scout the helmet, but the reality with

1104
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: Florida Corners and their track record in the NFL is

1105
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: so bad for so many years that I just wonder

1106
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: if that's gonna play a role in how teams view him.

1107
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: It wouldn't for me. I'd view him in a vacuum,

1108
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: But I do wonder if at some point they start saying,

1109
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: you know what, what is it about this fit that

1110
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: makes this transition so hard to the NFL for some players?

1111
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: But from all the stuff you can see right now,

1112
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: he certainly looks like a guy who should go in

1113
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: the top twenty twenty five picks. After it, now that

1114
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: the combine is pretty much over, how you give us

1115
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: your idea, but what it brought into more focus for

1116
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: you about this this draft class coming out of college

1117
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: this year, I think the biggest thing is just that

1118
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: we have one premier group. It's the defensive line, I think,

1119
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: and especially the edge defenders. There's a lot of good ones.

1120
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of people talking about their testing, and

1121
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: as they should. It's good tape too, so really just

1122
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: confirmed good tape for the class in terms of the testing,

1123
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: it's what you wanted to see. Now, I will say this,

1124
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people getting really hugged up about

1125
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: the edge defender class. The three cone is one of

1126
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: the most important drills for an edge defender in terms

1127
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: of confirming what you saw on tape. Doesn't necessarily mean

1128
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: bump a guy up on tape if he thought he

1129
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: was or bump a guy up because of the testing

1130
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: if he thought he was bad on tape. But that

1131
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: three cone is so important for edge defenders because it

1132
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: confirms that bend which you have to be able to

1133
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: win on the add outside path to the quarterback around

1134
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: the outside hip of the offensive tackle. You can't really

1135
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: do that it's consistently without elite bursts off the ball,

1136
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: speed up the arc, and bend at the top of

1137
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: the arc. So you need some combination of those traits

1138
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: that bend. We didn't get to see it for enough prospects,

1139
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: so a lot of guys opted out of the three

1140
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: cone because of the way the combines currently structured. Other

1141
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: concern the league is going to have to address moving forward.

1142
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: Teams will get some results of the pro days and

1143
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: hopefully they'll find those reliable enough for the players who

1144
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: choose to do them are healthy enough to be able

1145
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: to do them. But because we don't have that test

1146
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: result for a lot of these edge defenders, I think

1147
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the other stuff looks good, but that

1148
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: would have been a big one in terms of putting

1149
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: the class over the top or not. Those are some

1150
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: of my biggest observations. And also the defensive tackle class.

1151
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: It's getting a lot of hype right now because of

1152
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: Davante Wyatt, Jordan Davis, and Travis Jones, but it does

1153
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: fall off pretty quickly after those three, So teams are

1154
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna maybe be reaching for those guys a little bit

1155
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: earlier than expected. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the

1156
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: reasons why. Well, initially I was hoping one of those

1157
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: guys would get down to twenty five. Now, after the

1158
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: way they tested, I'm not so sure it's going to happen.

1159
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: For Buffalo. All three of those guys might be gone

1160
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: because you know, the big guys go early, especially when

1161
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: the class is thin. As you pointed out, John, do

1162
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: you see any one of those three guys on the

1163
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: heels of the combine getting down to twenty five. I'm

1164
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: not so sure. It's going to happen. I don't think

1165
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: it'll happen with Jordan Davis, and I increasingly don't think

1166
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: it's going to happen with the Vonte Wyatt. I do

1167
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: think Travis Jones will be there, so if they want

1168
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: to take that option, I mean, he tested Grady a

1169
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: great Senior Bowl. Looks like he's going to be a

1170
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: pre clear run stuffer in my opinion. And then from

1171
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: there are the questions will kind of abound. Okay, how

1172
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: much pass rush upside is there? How he lead? Can

1173
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: he be in that regard? I mean, on tape honestly

1174
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: shows more pass rushability than Jordan Davis. But I just

1175
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: think the testing in the Georgia pedigree, you know, winning

1176
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: the championship and all of that for Jordan Davis is

1177
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: going to go a long way plus absurd testing, where

1178
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: Travis Jones just had really really good testing. So I

1179
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: think that might be the difference in bumping Davis up

1180
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. But if you told me in a

1181
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: couple of years Jones ended up being the better player,

1182
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: the more impactful player across the board, I wouldn't be

1183
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: totally surprised by that. And he's one that I think

1184
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: will be available there twenty five for the bills to consider.

1185
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: As we got back to what we were talking about

1186
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: a minute ago about how this combine has changed, he

1187
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: had a ton of guys opting out of different things

1188
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: because of the scheduling and all that. I mean, you

1189
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: got some of these guys are running their forty at

1190
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: ten at night because of the television ridge in the

1191
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: way they scheduled it. You got a guy like Cavon

1192
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: Thibadeau who you know didn't lift, you know, those kind

1193
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: of things opted out of some of the stuff positional drills.

1194
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: Do you think guys hurt themselves or you know, I mean,

1195
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: you still got pro days all over the country that

1196
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: these guys are going to work out in. What are

1197
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: they really risking here? Yeah, I'm not sure all of

1198
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: the logistics of it in terms of what agents are

1199
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: telling them and what players are deciding to do when,

1200
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: but it is pretty telling that the wide receiver group

1201
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: went out and pretty much bombed the agility drills across

1202
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: the board on the first day of combine testing, and

1203
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: then after that you saw pretty much mass opt out

1204
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: from the other position groups moving forward of the agility

1205
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: drills hardly anybody did them across the board. So that's

1206
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: a concern for the NFL because if you're gonna have

1207
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: these agility drills, you gotta know you gotta have players

1208
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: doing them, and if you don't, if they're opting out

1209
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: in mass it's gonna be a huge problem moving forward.

1210
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: So they've got to figure that out, and the best

1211
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: way to do it is to talk with agents and

1212
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: players about what they want rather than trying to achieve

1213
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: higher ratings. You know, the reality is that the ratings

1214
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: have not really been that much different, if different at all,

1215
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: and so the NFL's got an issue there. They've got

1216
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: to sort out priorities, and priorities has to be the

1217
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: players and the agents and what they need other one

1218
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: and the teams too. Otherwise the event is going to

1219
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: lose its luster. You're going to have more and more

1220
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: opt outs every year of a lot of the activities

1221
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: at the Combine, and it's going to become a problem

1222
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: that the NFL has got to step in and kind

1223
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: of intervene a little bit more there because right now

1224
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: it's just that part of the process for workouts is

1225
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: not going well, and it's important for a lot of

1226
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: these positions one guy that did almost everything John was

1227
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: treyvon Walker from Georgia. And you know, for a six

1228
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: five guy at two seventy two with thirty five and

1229
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: a half ach arms, you know to broad jump ten three,

1230
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: have a sub seven second three cone drill and vertical

1231
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: leap almost three feet. Oh and he also ran a

1232
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: four to five one. Is it unrealistic to think that

1233
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: he could be the second pass rusher off the now

1234
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 1: after Hutchinson. It's not unrealistic to think that their tape

1235
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: isn't close. In my opinion between he and gave On Thibodeau,

1236
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: Thibodeau is clearly better. I don't understand the concerns with

1237
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: Thibodeau at all in my opinion. You know, I know

1238
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: there's stuff maybe that I don't have the vantage point

1239
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: to see, and you know you can't really I can't

1240
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: really comment too much on that except to say I've

1241
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: never noticed any effort concerns with them on tape. I've

1242
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: never at the podium. I thought he was wonderful this week.

1243
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: I thought he spoke very well about all of the

1244
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: things pertaining to his journey to the NFL. So some

1245
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: of that buzz I just it misses me completely, But

1246
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: on tape he looks like an outstanding player, an outstanding prospect.

1247
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: You know, I really think that all these guys are

1248
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: really talented. Walker is obviously incredibly talented, But you have

1249
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: to at some point be able to put on tape

1250
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, where is the pass rush ability, where

1251
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: is the pass rush production? You just don't see it.

1252
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: Even when he did pick up a little bit of production,

1253
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,479
Speaker 1: it was off the mistakes of a bunch of other players, really,

1254
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: so I think there are legit question marks with them,

1255
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: but his combine was one in a million, and I

1256
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: would guess that he has a really good chance to

1257
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: be the second ad dresser off the board. Yeah. I

1258
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: haven't had chance John to really watch much of Walker's tape.

1259
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I saw a couple of Georgia games

1260
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: during the year, but there I've seen it written that

1261
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: he was asked to play tight to the formation a lot,

1262
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: like he wasn't out in some wide nine looks where

1263
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: he could really get one on one with an ot.

1264
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: Is there any validity to that as to explaining why

1265
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: the production isn't there? What did you see on his tape? Yeah, definitely,

1266
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: there's some validity to that in terms of trying to

1267
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: explain why he wasn't more productive, but that still left

1268
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: his pastoral skill set very underdeveloped. We have not seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of players go from college football. I believe

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Speaker 1: Walker at nine and a half sacks in college in

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Speaker 1: his career. We have not seen a lot of players

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Speaker 1: have under ten sacks as primarily outside rushers in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: In college football. We have not seen them have less

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Speaker 1: than ten career sacks and go to the NFL and

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Speaker 1: have a lot of success as an edge rusher, just

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Speaker 1: in recent years. Rashaun Garry looks like he's getting there

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Speaker 1: based on late last season, so we'll see how that

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Speaker 1: progression goes. But Caleb and Jason was another one and

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01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: he has really struggled in the NFL. Adolph Awa from

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Speaker 1: the with the ravens Now is another one we'll have

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01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: to keep her eye on in recent years. So there

1282
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: has been a trend of these players going in the

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Speaker 1: first round despite less than ten that's a pretty low

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Speaker 1: bar guys a ten career college sacks. Danelle Hunter's really

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01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: the only player in the NFL that was primarily an

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Speaker 1: edge rusher in college that went to the NFL. With

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Speaker 1: less than ten career college sacks. He had four and

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01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: went on to have a really good career. There are

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Speaker 1: other guys that Cam Wake who played off the ball

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01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: claim Matthews played off the ball. There's some other cases

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Speaker 1: like that. You know, Chandler Jones played inside a bunch

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Speaker 1: in college. There's some other cases like that. But for

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01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: guys who played primarily in the edge in college, it

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: is a really important distinction typically to be up over

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01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: that double digit sack mark. So we'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: with Walker. There's one thing I'll say, if you're ever

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01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna bet on a guy who had that low production

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01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: in college, he better be a freak physically and a

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Speaker 1: freak athletically. And there's no question and that Walker is

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01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: both of those things, as well as being a good

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01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: run defender and a very active, aggressive player. So lots

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01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: of the traits that you love is interviews will be

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01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: really important. Last one for me is this is the

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01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: first draft in a while that hasn't been headlined by

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01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: a big name quarterback prospect. There's usually at least one,

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01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: probably two, sometimes a handful of guys who teams think

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01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: is the guy who's going to come in and turn

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01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: it around for him. Nobody in this draft has really

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01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: been touted like that. What about this quarterback crop? What

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 1: happened at the combine? How they look? Did anybody improve

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: or show something that they didn't expect? The only thing

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01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: that really matters to me for the quarterbacks at the

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01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: combine is based on history, just because we have so

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01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: much data at this point. I do think the hand

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01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: size thing matters for quarterbacks to a degree. More is

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: a threshold and eliminator, and Kenny Pickotts is definitely troubling

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01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: the fact that the only quarterback has really been successful

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01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: with his hand size is the greatest athlete of all

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01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: time in the NFL. Michael Vick that that really, you know,

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01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: it should cast a shadow a little bit on picket

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01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: and should cause teams to question things a little bit,

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01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: in my opinion, doesn't mean you throw them out or

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01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: you don't draft them at all. But you're talking about

1324
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: a guy that you need to have a you know,

1325
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: really pretty clean slate to be able to avoid any

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01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: red flags. And obviously Pickett wasn't even considered a first

1327
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: or probably second round pick going into his final college

1328
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: football season, so it's not like he's been a dominant,

1329
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: you know, Day one prospect the whole way, So there's

1330
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: some questions there. The wrestler group did find. I mean,

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: I care about the hand size, I care about the

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Speaker 1: athleticism being like baseline, and you usually see that on

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Speaker 1: tape railer. Are you surprised by quarterbacks athleticism at the combine?

1334
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: And everybody kind of confirmed what you already saw. I mean,

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01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: it's always good if you look good throwing on air,

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not necessarily like gonna shouldn't change

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: any of our opinions. A guy shouldn't struggle on tape

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: and then go throw on air and it hit some

1339
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: routes and all of a sudden we change what we

1340
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: thought it was true on tape. That just isn't how

1341
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: this should work, in my opinion, So I take all

1342
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: of it with a grain assault. However, I do think

1343
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: it's become impossible for me to ignore the fact that

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01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: Malik Willis seems to be the most talented, obviously is

1345
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: the most talented, athletically looked awesome at the Senior Bowl,

1346
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: even the Senior Bowl game, and then obviously just physically

1347
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: as is a really good arm too, and then his

1348
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: character is just he he's a unique character. I don't

1349
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: know if every team's going to say, Wow, this guy's

1350
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: inn Alpho's going to step in and command the Huddele.

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll say that. He just seems

1352
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: like a really high character guy who cares about people,

1353
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: and he's done just a great job of being unique

1354
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: and being himself an interview. Is very authentic person, not

1355
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: at all kind of cookie cutter how you've imagined quarterbacks going,

1356
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: and they have really rehearsed answers. He does not come

1357
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: off that way at all. So I think he's going

1358
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: to be very well liked by fans because of that. Obviously,

1359
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: if he struggles, they'll be less well liked. But I

1360
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: think he's kind of helped himself move into the top.

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: You know, he'll be one I think the first quarterback

1362
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: off the board. It would be hard for me to

1363
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 1: imagine him being lower than the second quarterback off the board,

1364
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Speaker 1: and that'll probably come somewhere in the top twenty picks. John,

1365
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: thanks for the insight and the analysis. We appreciate it

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: right well, catch up with you down the line. Absolutely, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much. I appreciate it all right. That's John ledder,

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: an NFL draft analysts also Bucks analysts for the Pewter

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: Report for analysts for the Draft Network, joining us here

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: to give us his thoughts on the guys that worked

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Speaker 1: out at the Combine. It is an interesting stat Steve.

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Speaker 1: You know the sub ten sacks in your career and

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01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: the bills more often than not look for production along

1374
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: with traits. It's not just traits only. And let's take

1375
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,879
Speaker 1: a swing. It's usually traits and production, with exceptions. I'm

1376
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: talking first round hind the draft. You get to the

1377
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: third round, you gotta take what you can get, take

1378
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: the traits if you can get him that late. Right.

1379
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: So that's exactly right. And I think they'll be mixed

1380
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: opinion on Walker because of that though, despite how physically

1381
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: dominant he looked at the Combine and Indie right, just

1382
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: it's small, small sample size. I mean, he looked like

1383
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: he man out there. It's like a six five, two

1384
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two pound Nan should not be doing

1385
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: the things he was doing, and he did almost all

1386
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: of the testing. And the question and the problem is,

1387
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: and he say, well, it's crazy. I think he's playing

1388
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: it well. The Christian he was playing and I always

1389
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: used this line. He was playing against dental students six

1390
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: months ago, and why why is he only doing less

1391
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: than tense acts? And the other question mark is you're

1392
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: playing next to two all world players, right in DeVante?

1393
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: Whyatt and Jordan Davis? Like, it's not like you were

1394
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: getting double teamed on every play, you know what I mean?

1395
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: Those attention over there, he's got a little bit of

1396
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney in him. It looks like right where he's

1397
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: he's just unbelievably elite physical specimen an athlete, but he

1398
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: has you know, his engine was turned off at birth. Yeah,

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Yeah, I can't speak to

1400
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: his motor right and I don't either. I can't either.

1401
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: But there's something wrong with a guy who's built like that,

1402
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: can do all those athletic things, and he's playing with

1403
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: top end talent, and he's playing with a great team

1404
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: and does not show up better than he did. Now,

1405
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he didn't exist, but man, oh man,

1406
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: you gotta be more production than that. Yeah, no matter

1407
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: how they line you up in the scheme. Yeah, I mean,

1408
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis has taking two guys every play, right, Davante,

1409
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: Why is is a freak athlete? Also, you're out on

1410
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: the edge. What are you doing? Yeah? Like get home? Yeah,

1411
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: there's some questions that have to be answered. And that's

1412
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,959
Speaker 1: the other thing too. How many times where Georgia opponents

1413
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: in third and long a lot, ton a lot you

1414
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: got nine and a half sacks? That's what doesn't add

1415
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: up for that's the thing that gets people right there?

1416
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: What's wrong? And that's why did it not materialize into

1417
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: more production? What is That's the thing if you're gonna

1418
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: spend the first round draft pick on a player that

1419
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: people are talking top fifteen from him? Now, what's wrong

1420
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: with this guy? Why? What are we missing? What? You know?

1421
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: What are we? Yeah? Who is this guy? And why

1422
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: is he not doing what he should be doing? Looking

1423
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: like he's looking? And if we can figure out what

1424
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: that is, can we then tap into it and we

1425
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: get the production? Can we fix him? Can we coach

1426
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: him up? Now? I don't and listen, Georgia has got

1427
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who've been really good. So you

1428
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: can look at their coaching staff and say, what are

1429
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: you guys doing? But hey, they won the national championships,

1430
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: so they did some things right and they have been

1431
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, so you can say what

1432
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: you want. That's why these draft things are just so,

1433
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, crazy. Sometimes there's a guy that you think, Wow,

1434
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: that's the guy, and then you think, I don't know.

1435
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. And that's why it is the inexact

1436
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: science that it is break time for us here. When

1437
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: we get back, we'll get to some of the phone

1438
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: calls and see what you were saying on the tweet sheet.

1439
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: As free agency fast approaches, who do you want? And

1440
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: how can the bills make it happen? Knowing as of

1441
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: right now they are over the cap. They got some

1442
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: work to do. But provided they do, who do you

1443
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: want and how can the bills make it happen? We're

1444
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: back with your phone calls and tweets next here on

1445
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live. Stay tuned. All right, we're back here

1446
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Gasker, would you and

1447
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: we're talking free agency. It's fast approaching. Who do you

1448
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 1: want for the bills and how can they make it happen?

1449
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: Knowing they're in a difficult cap spot right now, they've

1450
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: got some work to do, some tough decisions to make.

1451
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: Mid till late in the week before the legal tampering

1452
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: period begins a week from today to negotiate with prospective

1453
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: free agents. Let's go to the phones at eight oh three,

1454
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: five fifty and we lead off here with Kevin in

1455
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: New York. What do you have for us? Kevin? Kevin,

1456
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: are you there? Yeah? What do you got for us? Kevin?

1457
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us? Yes, thank you. I was calling

1458
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: about the caller about the quarterback situations with right, Yeah,

1459
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of just on my opinion on that, I think

1460
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: the biscue was definitely stopped at that moment. Yeah, he

1461
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: wanted to him guys that ms for a period of time,

1462
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: and in my opinion, being kind of already did that

1463
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: with Cake and Davis un part Colm, we lost them

1464
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: both to the Giants. Right, in my opinion, that was

1465
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: the best decision. We had a starting caliber quarterback for

1466
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: our back up. So yeah, that just got mean a

1467
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: little heater that you know, well you heard how he

1468
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: did it got me, Kevin, So I I am. I

1469
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: am in agreement with you, and thanks for the call.

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01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: Thank Kevin. Yeah, basically, you signed the best players possible,

1471
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: and mitter ter Bisky was the best player possible. You

1472
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 1: don't worry because your coaching staff. Yeah, he got acclimated

1473
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: plenty and plenty of time. Um, there's no reason to

1474
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: think he can't be ready to play on opening day

1475
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: when he's been here all through the offseason. Like Robiski was, so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm you signed the best players possible and that's it,

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01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: and you worry about next year, New worry about next year,

1478
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: next year. When in that case, let's go to the

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 1: tweet sheet, which is brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems,

1480
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: the official equipment moving provider of the Buffalo Bills. As

1481
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: we check the tweet sheet, and Tim leads us off

1482
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: and says, we need a cornerback and someone who will

1483
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. So he's looking at corner and

1484
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: pass rusher on the open market, which you know, I

1485
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: totally understand. I don't think you're going to be getting

1486
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: a high priced corner necessarily. You're gonna need somebody that's

1487
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: a veteran on the backside of his career that still

1488
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: has some gas left in the tank. So you're talking,

1489
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, people like Steven Nelson or Joe Hayden, corners

1490
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: like that that aren't going to break the bank. Because,

1491
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, the cap situation is not good for

1492
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 1: the Bills right now. They have some work to do

1493
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: and they might make some They might ask players pay cuts,

1494
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: they might renegotiate some contracts, and they might just cut

1495
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: some players outright, might restructure some deals or release some

1496
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: guys too. Yeah, that's it's all going to happen this

1497
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: week and elite run up to free agency. The Bills

1498
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: have got to free up some cap space, no question

1499
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: about it. So they're going to be looking for players

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01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: that are affordable market wise. And really, when you think

1501
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,839
Speaker 1: about it, Brandon being outside of the Mitch Morse contract,

1502
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: really hasn't taken a gigantic swing and overpaid for a

1503
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: free agent. He prefers not to do that. And most

1504
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: of the time he'll sign guys in that second tier

1505
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: or third tier free agents, players that can come in

1506
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: and contribute. That's not that are not going to break

1507
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: the bank. And so you try to mind for those

1508
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: on the free agent market. And Stephen Nelson and as

1509
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: I mentioned, Joe Hayden are two guys that might be

1510
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: able to do that. Jason Varett might be another one.

1511
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 1: Former first round draft choice, little on the smaller side,

1512
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: they tend to like bigger longer corners, But they're gonna

1513
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: have to go. You know, bargain shopping is probably who

1514
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: strong a word, but they're gonna have to find somebody

1515
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: that's affordable. Do you think about the contracts over the

1516
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: last few years that they've had veteran corner's sign Josh

1517
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: Norman one year, five million dollars, You know, e J.

1518
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: Gaines one year three and a half million dollars. Who

1519
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: was the Houston kid whose name is escaping me now

1520
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: that was here for one year? Kevin the Houston corner.

1521
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: What the heck was the kids name? Vin Johnson? Kevin Johnson,

1522
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: thank you? One year deal four million dollars. I mean

1523
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit more expensive than that now,

1524
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: but I can't see them spending on a one year

1525
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: deal more than six six and a half million dollars

1526
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: on a corner. But if they need to start at

1527
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: the start of the season because Dradevious White isn't ready

1528
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: can start, You've got if you look at the at

1529
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: the defensive at the free agency market and the edge,

1530
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: Von Miller, Chandler Jones, Dante foul Or, Calais Campbell, Jason Pierre, Paul,

1531
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: Akim Hicks, Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison. Those are the guys

1532
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: that are coming off you know, you know, pretty good years.

1533
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: And he goes all the way down to jadeveon Clown

1534
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: he's down there in Ogba. Yeah. But a guy like

1535
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick, who is entering his age twenty seven season,

1536
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna make a boatload of money on the

1537
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: open market. The bills unless they make unless they are

1538
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: supremely aggressive in the decisions they make this week to

1539
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: clear an enormous amount of cap space. I don't think

1540
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in the market for somebody like Assan Reddick,

1541
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: who's gonna be looking for seventeen eighteen million a year

1542
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: right now. You can get a guy like kJ Ryder

1543
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: and Melbourne Ingram, those two guys, but they're thirty two,

1544
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty three years old. You get a guy

1545
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: like to carisst McKinley. He's from Cleveland, he's only twenty six. Yeah,

1546
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: but he's been you know, how do you know that

1547
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: you know whether he could be he could be really

1548
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: good and he's by sitting behind you know, Chubb and

1549
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: the rest of those jokers down there who are playing

1550
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: really well. Maybe he's pretty good but can't get on

1551
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: the field. Um, but there's a ton of names that

1552
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: are gonna be like, can you get a Jason Pierre

1553
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 1: Paul at age thirty three that might be able to

1554
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: give you one more good year? Yeah? I mean you

1555
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: got like yeah, but like Ryan Kerrigan's thirty three and

1556
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: a half right now, you know, um, Justin Houston's thirty three. Uh,

1557
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, you get all the guys like Brent Urban

1558
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: and Kyler facral fa is twenty nine almost thirty. He

1559
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: I think you can get him back. I don't affordable, gosh,

1560
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: sure if you want, and I think Fa likes it here.

1561
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: You could sign to a probably an identical deal to

1562
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: the one he had last year, and he'll probably make

1563
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: your team, right Yeah, I mean he's probably gonna be

1564
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: good enough to make your team here in Buffalo. Have

1565
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: give you some continuity with another year and resbelt and

1566
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: another and a very inexpensive contract to come back. Let's

1567
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: go back to the phones and we go to CJ

1568
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: on Grand Island. What do you have for a CJ? Hey, guys? Um?

1569
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: I saw on Twitter Albert Brears report that there was

1570
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: a big name reaching out to Um. The Bill So

1571
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: I was just wondering who you guys think it would be.

1572
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Chandler Jones, but I know that his contract

1573
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: is huge there he he would be asking for a

1574
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: big contract. So I was just wondering what you guys, um,

1575
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: we're just thinking on that. Yeah, I mean, thank you

1576
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: guys taken my call. Yeah, but no problem. It could be.

1577
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: It could be Chandler Jones, could be Vaughan Miller, could

1578
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: be Klais Campbell. Yeah. Right now, what we're doing is

1579
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: we're throwing darts, yeah, at the at the dark board

1580
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: in terms of who that could be and like. And

1581
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: that's why I'll say again, what the Bills do later

1582
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: this week to clear cap space, how aggressive if they are,

1583
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: how much room they create, All of those things will

1584
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: help determine and give us an idea as to just

1585
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: how aggressive they intend to be in free agency. If

1586
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: they clear suddenly, somehow, some way thirty million dollars in

1587
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: cap space, well then yeah, they're gonna be taking a

1588
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: big swing, presumably at someone like a pass rusher, a

1589
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: veteran proven pass rusher, because they've got young guys under contract.

1590
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: But are you going into the season counting on those

1591
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: three epinessa Rousseau and bash them to carry the load

1592
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: for you. Probably not, So you're probably taking a big

1593
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: swing there for a proven guy because you don't want

1594
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: to go back in the draft and get more youth.

1595
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: You need someone that's a proven commodity at the NFL level,

1596
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: So you need a veteran there. You probably need a

1597
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: veteran at the cornerback position. As one of our early

1598
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: tweeters mentioned, because of the circumstances, Levi Wallace is a

1599
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: free agent, He's gonna look to make as much money

1600
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: as he possibly can, and by all means you should

1601
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 1: do that. Dredevious White, Is he gonna be ready in August?

1602
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be ready in September? Is he gonna

1603
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 1: be ready in October? You need a proven veteran to

1604
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: line up opposite Dane Jackson, then you probably gotta go

1605
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: Draft one two. Now you've also got I mean the

1606
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: Albert Breer article that the Twitter's referring to as in

1607
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: Monday Morning Quarterback, and he says that there were one

1608
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: big name veteran free agent reached out to the Bills

1609
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: and says usually it's the other way around. The Bills

1610
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: reach out to the free agent. It could be it

1611
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: could have been a guy like Gronk. You know, Gronk

1612
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: could have said, you know what, I'd like you know,

1613
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: how about it, I'm thinking about playing one more year.

1614
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to do it. And in Buffalo where I

1615
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: grew up, what about it? It could be like that.

1616
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: It didn't say whether there was an offensive player or

1617
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: defensive player, so it could be anybody. But it could

1618
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: also be a guy like you know, Jason Pierre Paul,

1619
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: or one of the older Vets, or one of those

1620
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: guys that sees what's going on in Buffalo and says,

1621
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: you know what, I got a pile of money, I

1622
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: would really like a ring. So it's not surprising. There's

1623
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there who are at the

1624
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: point of their career. Particularly he got guys like Ali Marpett,

1625
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: who's twenty eight, would just won a world championships in

1626
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: the middle of this second contract and he says, you

1627
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: know what, I'm done. Yeah, I'm good. There's a lot

1628
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: of guys out there who would just like to try

1629
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: and cherry pick a world championship. Yeah, much like you know,

1630
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: Lashawan McCoy did at the end of his career. Went

1631
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: to the chiefs, got one, went to the buck, got one. Yeah,

1632
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, and he was sitting on the bench. So yeah,

1633
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 1: that's out there. And if you're listening, if you're picking

1634
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: horse races, there are a lot of horses that don't

1635
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 1: look as good as the Buffalo bills right now. Yeah,

1636
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,839
Speaker 1: Jack on the tweet sheet says, I want to resign

1637
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: McKenzie and horrible Harry first and foremost. If we have

1638
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: to cut Feliciano or Williams, I think we should find

1639
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: a guard to replace either guy in free agency. I

1640
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: don't have any names for you, but it would be

1641
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: nice to add mid tier veteran corner, someone with experience

1642
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: for our secondary. This is where you gotta be careful.

1643
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: And this is what I think Brandon Bean does very well.

1644
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: I think he assess his value on his roster and

1645
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: then makes a determination what can I live without? And

1646
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of these decisions are gonna lie

1647
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: later this week for him and the club, because they're gonna,

1648
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: like I said, they're gonna probably have to say goodbye

1649
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: to some people that are on this roster that have

1650
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: cost prohibitive contracts that are keeping them in a bad

1651
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: situation that they are right now because the cap still

1652
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: hasn't caught up to where it was pre pandemic. Yeah,

1653
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 1: and don't forget too. We said they said goodbye to

1654
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: some players that were near and dear to them last

1655
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: season when they got to twenty twenty and they had them. Yeah,

1656
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: said goodbye to some really good players. And I think

1657
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: they may be backed into a corner where they got

1658
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to some really players that are near

1659
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: and dear to us. You gotta be careful at guard

1660
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: goes because you don't want to go back. You don't

1661
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: want to go backwards at the position like it's you

1662
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: can just say, oh yeah, cut Feliciano and Daryl Williams,

1663
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, just get a new guy. Well, you know,

1664
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: you look at the free agent market at guard. It's

1665
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: not pretty. It's not pretty. Eric Wood tells us all

1666
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: the time. Depth across the league for offensive lines is

1667
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: at an all time low. So just arbitrarily saying, well,

1668
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: cut this guy because he's tough on the happ and

1669
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: cut this guy because he's tough on the cap, and

1670
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: just replace him with somebody else. It's easier said than done,

1671
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: particularly at guard. So I think you got to choose

1672
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: other options there, namely renegotiate. I wouldn't cut both of

1673
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: them by any means, but you want to renegotiate with

1674
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: one less in their cap figure make it more palatable

1675
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: for your cap and create some space in the process.

1676
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: I'll try to do that. When you're talking about Daryl

1677
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Williams and John Feliciana, only one of them was on

1678
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: the field at the end of the year. So take

1679
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 1: your choice. But I think it's it gets harder and

1680
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: harder to fit guys under the cap, and you do

1681
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: have to make tough decision. It's a business first and foremost,

1682
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: and the bills are going to do that. This week.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find out who they really who they really

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Speaker 1: feel like they gotta have, or who they feel like

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01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: just got to get the money for their contract. They

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01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: got to get the value of the production for the

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Speaker 1: contract or painting one or the other. Break time here,

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Speaker 1: Steve and I close it up next day too. All right.

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Speaker 1: One more from the tweet sheet here, Paul Star says,

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Speaker 1: I want to bring back McKenzie and Phillips for our

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01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: own free agents and for outside free agents. I think

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01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: a running back like Leonard Fournette would be good alongside

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01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: Singletary because sending him right up the middle really worked,

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01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: and a guy like Fournette would solve that issue. So

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01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: just get the top of the market running back and

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01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: bring him on in no problem, right what. Yeah, you've

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Speaker 1: heard too that the Carolina Panthers are putting a number

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Speaker 1: one plus another piece of compensation. If you want Christian

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01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 1: McCaffrey plus, you gotta pay him at sixteen million a year.

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01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: And he's only played in like a handful of games

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01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: over this time of the contract since he signed that

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01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: big contract. So yeah, no, best still luck with that. No,

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01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how how much work the

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01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: Bills have to do to create the cap space necessary

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01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: just to do what they want to do in free

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01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: agency to reduce the number of holes for the draft.

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01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: They've got to and they're you know, they're trying to

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01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: sign guys onto their roster. I mean, they got to

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01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: fill out their roster. They got some you know, the

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01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: defensive line is decimated because of the contract outs right now.

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01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: They could sign guys back, but they you know, they

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01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: got to fit it under the cap cap, right And

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01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,879
Speaker 1: that's the rub. More free agency talk tomorrow, including salary

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01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: cap discussion with our good friend Mike Jinitty from spottrack

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01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: dot Com. He's got all the numbers covered. We'll get

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01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 1: into with him tomorrow. Here on One Bills Live presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalid to Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. We'll see

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Speaker 1: it one tomorrow