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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkschen. I'm his son, Jeff Kirchen, And

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Speaker 1: another episode is upon us.

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Speaker 2: We have Dan.

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Speaker 1: Patrick, longtime broadcaster, with him. We're gonna talk country music,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk Stratamatic and the Big Red Machine.

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Speaker 3: Right and Dan has been a dear friend for nearly

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Speaker 3: thirty years. He loves Strata Maatic, he loves the Reds,

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Speaker 3: and he was a good baseball and basketball player growing up.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss and wait until he brings up the

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Speaker 1: story about him interviewing Michael Jordan. I have never I

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Speaker 1: have never laughed that hard or cringed that hard. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, Dan Patrick our very special guest.

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Speaker 3: And Dan is also going to tell you about the

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Speaker 3: time he out shot Dan Marley in a three point

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Speaker 3: shooting contest at some pretty high praise. Right there, cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: We're in the middle of a pennant race.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to baseball, but before we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about what we were up to in the last

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Speaker 1: seven days since our last episode.

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Speaker 2: We went to a wedding in Montana.

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Speaker 1: Our family friends Brooke and Tim got married over the

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Speaker 1: weekend in Whitefish, Montana. Your one of your closest friends

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Speaker 1: of all time. Doug is the father of the bride right.

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Speaker 3: And we had a great time the well, the only

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Speaker 3: bad part was we went to a rodeo, and because

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Speaker 3: outfitted in cowboy outfits. That Jeff I could tell you

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Speaker 3: without hesitation that nobody, but nobody looks stupid or in

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Speaker 3: a cowboy outfit than I do. But I bought something

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Speaker 3: I looked like one of the village people. It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I thought, you looked great, and we're gonna put a

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Speaker 1: photo up on our Instagram and our Twitter at great game,

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Speaker 1: or what if you don't follow us already?

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Speaker 3: I made Billy Crystal look like Clint Eastwood. Okay, that's

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Speaker 3: that's how bad I look in a cowboy outfit. Look,

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Speaker 3: some people look good in that, and I love people

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Speaker 2: But what thought you looked good?

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Speaker 3: Well? Thank you? What's the other big thing that we

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Speaker 3: did for the first time in our lives. We might

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Speaker 3: as well get this over with now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should just get it out in the open together.

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Speaker 1: Dad and I had our nose hair waxed, which was

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Speaker 2: I convinced you to.

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Speaker 1: Do it, Dad, because you are fifty percent Armenian. I

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Speaker 1: am twenty five percent Armenian, and the other fifty percent

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Speaker 2: We are hairy dudes.

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Speaker 3: Right. Every day I look a little bit more like

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Speaker 3: Eddie Munster, which is not a good thing, and only

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Speaker 3: the old people will understand that reference. But Jeff, as

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Speaker 3: we know, I went along with this because you told

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Speaker 2: It was, but was It did not feel good afterward.

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Speaker 3: It's felt good and it looks better.

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Speaker 4: And I don't want anyone looking at my nose anyway,

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Speaker 1: The other thing that made this Whitefish Montana trip so

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Speaker 1: to defend you here, Dad, all right, the whole family went.

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Speaker 1: So it's you and Mom and me and my wife Emily,

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Speaker 2: The rental car. Prices were outrageous.

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Speaker 1: So what we decided to do as a family was

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Speaker 3: The only two people that could have pulled this off

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Speaker 1: Had an amazing time. A big congratulations to Brooke and Tim.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having the Kirkchhin family and the the

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Speaker 1: I know Kim and Tim are always listening the Daily Family,

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Speaker 1: for listening. Jim duff as well made a comment on

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Speaker 1: So we're hoping that this will be his second episode ever.

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Speaker 2: We're going to text the link to him directly.

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Speaker 1: But enough about family, enough about our weekend. We need

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Speaker 1: to get into baseball because we are in a pennant race.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Beaga time. It's a great pennant race, and there's

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Speaker 3: so many takeaways. I could do one hundred takeaways week,

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Speaker 3: score lines. Jeff Bowden Francis's line was eight innings, one hit,

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Speaker 3: A couple birthdays Jeff nineteen thirty eight, Bobby Wine was born,

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Speaker 3: Eddie Murray holds the record for most career homers without

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Speaker 3: hitting forty in a season. Hank Aaron, of course, is

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Speaker 3: the record holder for the most homers without hitting fifty

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Speaker 3: in a season. And the last I checked, and I

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Speaker 3: haven't double checked this, but Ron Fairley had the most

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Speaker 3: career homers without ever hitting twenty in a season. That's

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Speaker 3: what you learn. This is the pointless stuff you learn, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: when you listen to is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 1: Hank aaron most home runs in a season was forty seven.

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Speaker 1: Never hit for the cycle, never won a triple crown.

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Speaker 4: It hit three homers in a game one time, one time.

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Speaker 3: But ye, Hank Aaron's one of the five greatest players

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Speaker 3: of all time. So let's make sure we understand that.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying it's incredible defeat in which he

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Speaker 1: hit all those homers.

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Speaker 2: Without having this season to bank On.

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Speaker 1: He's just consistency is the name of the game in

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball? All right, Well, our Kirchin quandary, this

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Speaker 1: has quickly become one of our favorite things on our

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Speaker 1: Instagram account at great game or what people always chime in,

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Speaker 1: especially the goofier ones. But we have a feat that

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Speaker 1: is about to hopefully knock on wood. Happened for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever in Major League baseball history.

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Speaker 2: Dad the quandary, let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: All right, so show Aotani's going fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 4: So I just want to throw it out there to everyone,

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Speaker 4: and I'm making all this up.

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Speaker 3: But what would you rather do? Go fifty to fifty?

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Speaker 3: Or would you rather.

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Speaker 1: Fifty home runs fifty stolen bases for people who might

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Speaker 1: not know right?

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Speaker 3: Or would you rather have a season of forty homers

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Speaker 3: batting f or one hundred that has been done one

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Speaker 3: time in major league history by Rogers Hornsby in nineteen

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Speaker 3: twenty two. Or would you rather do three thirty wins

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Speaker 3: in a season? We don't even make thirty starts in

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Speaker 3: a season anymore, Jeff. No one even wins twenty games anymore.

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Speaker 3: Thirty wins and three hundred strikeouts. Okay, that's been done

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Speaker 3: one time by Walter Johnson. Ever tell you I went

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Speaker 3: to Walter Johnson High School.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in nineteen twelve, he won thirty three games and

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Speaker 4: struck out three hundred and three batters. And the last

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Speaker 4: one is, would you rather steal one hundred bases and

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Speaker 4: hit twenty five home runs? No one has ever done that.

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Speaker 4: In fact, Ricky Henderson is the only player ever to

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Speaker 4: steal one hundred bases in a season and hit at

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Speaker 4: least ten home runs. He had exactly ten.

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Speaker 3: So this is it. What would you rather do fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty like Otani, forty four hundred like hornsby three

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Speaker 3: hundred thirty like Walter Johnson, or we're gonna make at

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five even though Ricky Henderson is

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Speaker 3: the only one with one hundred steals and ten homers,

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Speaker 3: what would you pick?

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Speaker 1: Job Well, I mean, right off of the bat. The

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Speaker 1: last player to hit four hundred is that Ted Williams

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Speaker 1: right here.

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Speaker 3: Yet nineteen forty one, he at four h six went

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Speaker 3: six for eight on the final day of the season.

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Speaker 1: So in my mind, I'm like, that is incredible, right,

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Speaker 1: Walter Johnson, though thirty wins.

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Speaker 2: That's an unbelievable feat.

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Speaker 1: When a pitcher reaches twenty wins in the twenty first century,

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Speaker 1: it's shocking, like it's automatic conversation for Cy Young, if

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Speaker 1: not just already give it to him at that point.

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Speaker 1: I think the fifty to fifty feet to me is

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Speaker 1: extremely impressive, and I'm not belittling what shohe Otani is

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Speaker 1: about to do this season. But I can't help believe

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Speaker 1: and feel in my heart that the forty four hundred

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Speaker 1: or the thirty three hundred is more of.

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Speaker 2: A team uniting.

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Speaker 1: If you hit four hundred, there's no doubt in my

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Speaker 1: mind that you are doing a lot for your team.

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Speaker 1: Forty home runs absolutely, fifty home runs absolutely doing a lot.

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Speaker 2: For your team.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with the four

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Speaker 1: hundred batting average and forty homers.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm sticking with.

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Speaker 3: Well, I that's where I'm going to Jeff, and I

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Speaker 3: am sixty seven years old, and I don't know how

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Speaker 3: much more time I have left, although I probably got

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Speaker 3: at an extra year when they took all that hair

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Speaker 3: out of my nose. But I think four hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty homers is the greatest feat because I promise you, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: no matter how long I live, nobody's gonna hit four

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Speaker 3: hundred again. It's just impossible in this hitting environment to

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Speaker 3: do that because the pitching, the stuff we see these

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Speaker 3: days is unbelievable. So I'm going four hundred with forty

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Speaker 3: homers again. That was done one time by Rogers Hornsby

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Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty two. But I'm interested to see what

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Speaker 3: everyone else thinks.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to chime in great Game or

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Speaker 1: have a best of All tim team this week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? We have an All Tim team every week. You know,

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Speaker 3: stupider the better. This one isn't so stupid. I just

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Speaker 3: wanted to recognize Bobby Wit Junior, who's having a Most

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Speaker 3: Valuable Player season at this point. I don't think he's

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Speaker 3: going to win, because Aaron Judge is going to win,

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Speaker 3: but I'm certainly not closing this out because if Bobby

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Speaker 3: Witt carries the Royals to the division title, highly unlikely

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Speaker 3: with two weeks to go, but he's going to take

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Speaker 3: him to the playoffs, he should get strong consideration. For MVP,

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Speaker 3: but I think Judge is going to win. So given that,

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Speaker 3: and given that Fernando Tatiste Junior is back in the

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Speaker 3: lineup for the surging Padres, and through Sunday Tatise that

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Speaker 3: hit a had hit four homers in his last five games.

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Speaker 3: So in those twos, Honor, it's the all junior team, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: So we've got Bobby Witt Junior at shortstop. We've got

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Speaker 3: Fernando Tatist Junior in the outfield because that's the position

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Speaker 3: he plays. Do you want to.

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Speaker 4: Take a guest at any other junior off the top

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Speaker 4: of your head, I hate he's.

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Speaker 2: Right, Calf.

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Speaker 4: Of course, we have to put him at third base

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Speaker 4: because we can't put we have to have him and

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Speaker 4: Bobby Witt on the team.

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Speaker 2: Are you putting Vlad Guerrero Junior at first?

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course, there's a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it makes sense. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of modern day juniors that's already what one, two, three, three?

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Speaker 1: Modern day juniors? Are there any other ones that are

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Speaker 1: in the league right now?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, One guy won an MVP in the National League

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Speaker 3: last year, Ronald Acuma. Gosh, that's right, right, and one

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Speaker 3: of them was our guest on The Jackie Robinson Show

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Speaker 3: this year, who also talked about the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Harriston at the second right.

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Speaker 3: The catcher is Sandy Alamar Junior.

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Speaker 4: Let's see, I've gone through everything and we're missing and

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Speaker 4: Lance mccullor's junior is the only pitcher that I could find.

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Speaker 3: But you're missing arguably the greatest junior ever, even better

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Speaker 3: than cal Ripkin, Ken Griffy Junior.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, sorry you go, so it went right

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Speaker 2: over me for a second.

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Speaker 4: Alamar Guerrero, Harston, Ripkin, Witt Tatisse, Griffy Acunya mccullors.

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Speaker 3: That's the all junior team.

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Speaker 1: huge fan of the Big Red Machine.

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Speaker 2: And since he brought it up, Dad, you thought, Okay.

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Speaker 1: That's seventy five Cincinnati Red's team is considered the best

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Speaker 1: in NL history.

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Speaker 3: Would you say, yeah, it's really the seventy five seventy

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Speaker 3: six team. The seventy six team just wiped out the

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Speaker 3: Yankees in four games. It was overpowering how good they were.

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Speaker 3: But we just took the seventy five Reds, which I

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Speaker 3: think is the greatest team in the history of the

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Speaker 3: National League, and we put it up against the nineteen

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Speaker 3: twenty seven Yankees, who might be the greatest team in

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Speaker 3: the history of baseball unless it's the nineteen thirty six

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Speaker 3: or the nineteen thirty nine Yankees, either one of those

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Speaker 3: teams will qualified. But since the twenty seven team is

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Speaker 3: did Stratamatta come up with?

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Speaker 1: Well, they put them together in a seven game series,

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Speaker 1: and the series delivered on the excitement.

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Speaker 2: I'll just jump right to it, Okay.

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Speaker 1: In six games, the nineteen twenty seven Yankees defeated the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five Big Red Machine. But get this, five

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Speaker 1: of the six games were won by one run. Three

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Speaker 1: needed ten innings to get finished. Now, Babe Ruth only

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Speaker 1: had one home run, but he did bat three fifty

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Speaker 1: Johnny Bench batted three to seventy five in the series

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Speaker 1: with two home runs and seven RBIs to lead all

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Speaker 1: hitters in both categories. But it was Yankees catcher Pat

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Speaker 1: Collins who had a walk off hit in Game one

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Speaker 1: and Game six and homered in Game two.

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Speaker 4: So Pat Collins, Jeff, when I grew up playing stratomatic

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Speaker 4: and APBA in those games, I had the twenty seven Yankees.

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Speaker 3: So I know Pat Collins. Well, just as Dan Patrick

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Speaker 3: is gonna tell us he meets these players, you know eventually,

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Speaker 3: and he goes, oh, yeah, you know, I remember your

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Speaker 3: card that's how it worked with me. So Babe Ruth

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Speaker 3: hit a home run in the bottom of the ninth

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Speaker 3: inning to tie the game, and then Pat Collins, who's

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Speaker 3: like the eighth hitter on their team, hit a walk

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Speaker 3: off homer to win Game one, and that kind of

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Speaker 3: set the tone for the twenty seven Yankees winning that series. Look, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: I am so in the vast minority on this, but

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna argue that with anyone. Even though this is

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Speaker 3: not a show of hot takes or anything. I really

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Speaker 3: believe Babe Ruth, Luke Gerrig and the best players from

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Speaker 3: nineteen twenty seven, biggest and best players could play the

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Speaker 3: game today, not just play it, but play it really well.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not shocked to hear this, but i am

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Speaker 3: thrilled to hear that our dear friend Johnny Bench, who's

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Speaker 3: been on the podcast two homers seven RBIs nearly hit

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Speaker 3: four hundred.

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Speaker 2: Incredible.

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Speaker 1: go right into our interview with Dan Patrick, because you

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Speaker 1: know we talked stratamatic with him because he is a big,

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Speaker 1: big fan of the game.

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Speaker 2: It was so much fun chatting.

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Speaker 3: With him, right, But it was more important Jeff that

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Speaker 3: he was a big fan growing up of the Big

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Speaker 3: Red Machine. So we talked about Joe Morgan and Tony

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Speaker 3: Perez and George Foster and Johnny Bench and every Pete

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Speaker 3: Rose of course. So I mean, I was you know,

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Speaker 3: I was a sophomore in college in nineteen seventy five,

656
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: and there's just no way you would miss a World

657
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: Series game when seventy five seventy six Reds were evolved,

658
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: That's how good they were.

659
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Dan Patrick now on is this a

660
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Speaker 1: great game or what?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, Is this a great game or what?

662
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: With legendary broadcaster Dan Patrick on the show.

663
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: Hey, how are you Dan? Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: How are you guys? Great to see you.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to show you what we have in

666
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: our basement at all times. Is a version of stratamatic

667
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: with us at all times? And is it to my

668
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: understanding that you not only are a fan and play

669
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: the game, but maybe some of your iconic home run

670
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: calls gone came from playing Strata maatic.

671
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: Is that true.

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00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 5: I haven't played Stratamatic in a while. Full disclosure. I

673
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 5: still have the nineteen seventy, nineteen seventy one, seventy two,

674
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: and seventy three seasons, and I used to hang around

675
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 5: some guys who played it. They would play an entire

676
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: season for the Cincinnati Reds. They have it mapped out

677
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 5: with all the teams that the Reds played, and then

678
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 5: they would try to recreate like the nineteen seventy you know,

679
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Reds, Big red machine. And I did play stratumatic

680
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 5: with Gary Miller when we were at CNN and then

681
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 5: when we went to ESPN, and I just remember my

682
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 5: home run call, and so was Gary. Gary w'd be like,

683
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 5: you know, Nate Colbert, two tens one, or if there

684
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 5: was a strikeout, it'd be you know, the whiff. But

685
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 5: the home run call was awesome because I you know,

686
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 5: there's this certain numbers that you just go, oh, that's

687
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 5: a weird number to get, but it's a home run,

688
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: you know, one to seventeen or something like that. But

689
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 5: when they got the twenty sided die that that was

690
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 5: a game changer, game changer. I loved it. But would

691
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: we would play and you could play a game pretty quickly,

692
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 5: and I just remember then they came up with I

693
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 5: loved the one the front side card. When they did

694
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 5: left hand right handed, it was a little too intricate,

695
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 5: you know, Gates Brown, if you were going to have

696
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 5: if you're going to have a left handed pitcher against

697
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 5: Gates Brown, I don't think there was anything on his card.

698
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 5: I think it was a hit by pitch that was it.

699
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: Gates Brown was not going to get a hit like

700
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 5: weird things, but it did help me with stats of

701
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 5: just remembering what somebody hit, what they fielded, or they're running.

702
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 5: It was more of that. I just like Rusty Stob

703
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 5: was a minus three but he was a four in

704
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 5: right field, like you wanted to hit it to him.

705
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: I think Rusty was so bad added fielding that his

706
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: arm was good to make up for his fielding because

707
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 5: he wasn't a good fielder. But the Reds at one point,

708
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 5: Bench was a one, Perez was a three, Morgan was

709
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: a two, Concepciona one, Pete was not a great fielder,

710
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 5: Griffy Senior pretty good. Geronimo was a one minus five.

711
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 5: Like it's just weird that I remember it, but it

712
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 5: was important. When I was watching baseball and being able

713
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 5: to kind of apply that with Ricky Henderson comparing him

714
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 5: to lou Brock and how Stratumatic viewed him.

715
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Speaker 4: Dan, I should not get this big of a kick.

716
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: Gotta hearing Gates Brown's day mentioned number twenty six, Gates Brown.

717
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, he's not getting mentioned anywhere in America

718
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: thing nowhere, even in Gates Brown's family.

719
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 5: Nobody's bringing up Gates Brown. But we're bringing him up

720
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: here the Detroit Tigers. I love that too. Though I

721
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 5: loved Willie Horton, Uh, you know al Kline in freehand,

722
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 5: it was just Ray Euler. I mean, there's like, there's

723
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: so many weird names that you just go, oh my god,

724
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 5: why do I remember ted Yulander with the worst in

725
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 5: three hundred?

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00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: But Dan, I'm with you.

727
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: I looked at players who I met for the first time,

728
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 4: maybe not Caesar Geronimo, and I go, he's a one

729
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 4: minus five. Like that's how I identified it as a fire.

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Speaker 3: Piece of paper. I mean, isn't that.

731
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 4: The beauty of Stratamatic and all those games we played

732
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 4: growing up?

733
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 5: Yep, And but that was one that you could play

734
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 5: as an adult and it didn't feel like, you know,

735
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 5: you were playing a kid's game, because it was as

736
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 5: intricate as you wanted it to be. It was as

737
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 5: fun as you wanted it to be. And whether you played,

738
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 5: you know, the single side or you played lefty righty,

739
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: it was fun. But but it was you were learning

740
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 5: something while playing a game, right And I thought that

741
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 5: that was very, very beneficial for me. And when I

742
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 5: was broadcasting at ESPN.

743
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my two favorite players that I know

744
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: nothing about other than from Stratamatic was in my Hall

745
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: of Fame collection as a kid. Mordecai three Finger Brown.

746
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: And Chief Bender two favorites.

747
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 5: Now, Chief Bender used to work for the Cincinnati Reds

748
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 5: right along. I think Bob Housen was the GM of

749
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 5: the Reds with the big Red Machine. And then I

750
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 5: didn't even realize Chief Bender was a you know, a

751
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: storied pitcher and great pitcher. Right, yeah, you're just but

752
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 5: it's I mean, that's the beauty of baseball, It really is.

753
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 5: There's some great things. I grew up in a baseball household,

754
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: got to see the Reds. First game I saw was

755
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 5: Pete Rose. Our first autograph I got was Pete Rose.

756
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: First game Spring training in Scottsdale. I got to see

757
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 5: the uh San Francisco Giants, I got to see Willie May's.

758
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 5: I was fascinated that there was a baseball player named

759
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 5: Jesus out there. And my dad goes, it's Hayesus. So we.

760
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 5: I remember going to church and I was like eight,

761
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 5: and I go, we gonna go see Jesus today, and

762
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 5: he goes, no, he's Jesus. I said, so we. But

763
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 5: I remember going there and that those giant teams. Uh,

764
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: you know, I was just fascinated, so very very fortunate

765
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 5: to have been able to play strata man right. And

766
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 5: I remember meeting Rob Deer and all I could think

767
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 5: of was he was He was a he was a

768
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: one minus four. I think he either homered or he's

769
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: struck out. That was it, Rob Deer. It was he

770
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 5: would be great in today's game, Rob Deer. He would

771
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 5: he would hit probably thirty five bombs bat you know,

772
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: two o six and uh, he'd be a a great

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Speaker 5: right fielder. Right.

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Speaker 3: So, Dan to the Red.

775
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 4: So when you're growing up watching the Big Red Machine,

776
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: I mean, what was that like as a young kid watching,

777
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 4: you know, maybe the greatest team in the history of

778
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 4: the National League.

779
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: That lineup, that everyday lineup you put up against anybody.

780
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 5: And you know, I was fortunate, like al Michaels did

781
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 5: the Reds games for a few years, and I was

782
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 5: listening to al Michaels before al Michaels became al Michaels.

783
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 5: But Joe Nuxall, you know, fifteen year old pitching in

784
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 5: the major leagues. He was their analyst on radio. Marty Brenneman,

785
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 5: Hall of Famer, and you just and I listened to radio.

786
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 5: I listened to the radio even if the Reds were

787
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 5: on TV. It was about listening on the radio. And

788
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 5: I think I fell in love with wanting to do

789
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: radio as a living because I love the voice. The voice.

790
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 5: I mean, that's why I was always enamored with Ben Scully,

791
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 5: and I mean go down on the list of great broadcasters.

792
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: It's because it's it's how they said something. When you're

793
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: in TV, you're supposed to compliment what you see. In radio,

794
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 5: it's I'm gonna I'm going to create everything for you.

795
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 5: And I love that feeling every single day that I

796
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 5: do this. If you're listening on radio and I'm describing something,

797
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 5: now it's up to you to help out. I mean

798
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: you got to. I can help you a little bit.

799
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 5: You've got to help me a little bit. But then

800
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 5: you create something that's even more powerful, and that is

801
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 5: you're the one that's visualizing this as opposed to TV.

802
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 5: And we were fortunate, you know, I had Bench in there,

803
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 5: best catcher in baseball, revolutionize the position. Concepcion revolutionized shortstop

804
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: on AstroTurf. Then we get Joe Morgan, and I mean

805
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 5: he had twenty seven homers. He was a one at

806
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 5: second base, stealing bases. I mean, they were they were

807
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: just it wasn't a great pitching staff. Got see Don

808
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 5: gall at Wayne Simpson when Simpson I think was like

809
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 5: fourteen and three at the All Star bre like something crazy.

810
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 5: At the All Star Break. Jim Merritt won twenty games.

811
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 5: Raleigh Eastwick was the closer, Will Mcanenny the second setup guy,

812
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: Sparky Anderson, Hall of Fame manager. You had George Foster

813
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 5: at one point we traded for sever you know, Pat

814
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: pat Zachary and Doug Flynn I think were involved in

815
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 5: that deal with.

816
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: They were both of them. Of course Dan Norman also, yeah.

817
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I got probably was it Norton. Then

818
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 5: we had Dan Dreeson at first base. We had Lee May,

819
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 5: the big bopper from Birmingham. Pete Rose would play, go

820
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 5: to second, go to third, go to left field. It

821
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 5: was just it was a great time because they were

822
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 5: although Brooks Robinson broke my heart, I mean he made

823
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 5: me cry as great as he was in that seventy

824
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 5: World Series. You know, there was the Bud Harrelson Pete

825
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: Rose Nation League Championship slide at second base. I mean,

826
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 5: that big Red machine actually underachieved. They should have been.

827
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 5: They should have probably won two or three more World Series.

828
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 5: You know. Then you beat the Red Sox and that

829
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 5: was dramatic. And then the next year they sweeped the

830
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: Yankees in four and I remember that was awesome because

831
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 5: Pete was playing third and Pete was about I think

832
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: eight feet away from home plate and he was daring

833
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 5: that like you want to hit, you want to bunt right.

834
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 5: It was a true domination, and you know, Sparky did

835
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 5: a great job. Then Pete left Tony Prez I think

836
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 5: got traded to Montreal. It just wasn't the same after that.

837
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 5: But you want to talk about the sweet spot of baseball,

838
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: and I think the best National League lineup in history,

839
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 5: and back then you were going against the Dodgers, who

840
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 5: were great. I'm such a Hank Aaron fan. Just to

841
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 5: have all of that going on, I was fortunate, very fortunate.

842
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 4: I still laugh every time that Caesar Geronimo's name comes

843
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 4: up because he was great center fielder. But my friend

844
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: Steve Russian once wrote, what does Caesar Geronimo yell when

845
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 4: when he jumps out of an airplace?

846
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: So, Dan, I want to bring up something you brought

847
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: up a little bit earlier about radio broadcasting that I

848
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: thought was so beautiful. I'm a country music morning show

849
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: host in Philadelphia and I'm blessed to do radio every morning.

850
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: And the reason why I love it is exactly why

851
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: you said it.

852
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: Right.

853
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: We can transport people into a different place, and I

854
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: just think it's so incredible what you're doing at the

855
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick School of Sportscasting.

856
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: Is that kind of an idea of you.

857
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Got to be, especially in radio, Obviously you got to

858
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: be the eyes, but you also got to be the

859
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: energy of what's going on in the ballpark or the arena.

860
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: Is that something that you know they're learning down there

861
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: at Full Sale.

862
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 5: Well, it's something that we're trying to teach, and I'm

863
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 5: very fortunate Gus Ramsey, who to me, you know quite well,

864
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 5: he's the one who runs the program every day. And

865
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 5: we're teaching the students all the things we learned that

866
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 5: took us a lifetime to learn. And whether you want

867
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 5: to be radio or TV, we're teaching you skills no

868
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 5: matter what you want to do. You want to be

869
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 5: a ring announcer, WWE, you want to do E sports,

870
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 5: you want to do traditional sports radio, podcast, all of

871
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 5: those things. But I do teach them that TV you

872
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: don't need to say what we see as much as

873
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 5: complement what we're seeing, where radio you need to really

874
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 5: be descriptive. And being a good writer is real. It's

875
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 5: still really important. We're not teaching hot takes. We're teaching

876
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 5: informed takes. We want you to understand your words. They last.

877
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 5: Somebody can say you said this two weeks ago or

878
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: two years ago. And to be able to teach them

879
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 5: all the things that I didn't learn, I'm still learning.

880
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: But I didn't learn a lot of this until I

881
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 5: was in my mid thirties. You're teaching students who are

882
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 5: night teen, twenty twenty one years of age, and I

883
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 5: think We have over two hundred students who are in

884
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 5: the business around the country with jobs, and a lot

885
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 5: of them are on air. They started in smaller markets,

886
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: but I said, you got to if you don't want

887
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 5: to work in Bozeman or Rochester, somebody else does. And

888
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: if you truly want to do this, do this and

889
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 5: don't say where am I going and what am I making?

890
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: You get to say you're a professional. Your job is

891
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 5: a sportscaster and your degree is in sportscasting. But back

892
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 5: to country music. I was just Brothers Osborne. I'm a

893
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 5: big fan of them. I was just listening to Jamie Johnson.

894
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 5: The high cost of living ain't nothing like the cost

895
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: of living high. Listen to that song and tell me

896
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 5: that he he can write, Man, there's the high cost

897
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: of living. Hey, nothing like the cost of living high.

898
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 5: I'm a big I'm a big country fan, and I

899
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 5: think a lot of that has helped with being friends

900
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 5: with Darius Rucker that you know, whoever he's around, or

901
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 5: somebody who's on the bill with him, or just exposing

902
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 5: me to certain artists. He told me a great story

903
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 5: that I told him about Chris Stapleton. You know, a

904
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 5: few years ago I was like, golly, that album Travelers,

905
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 5: that that's going to be the album of the year.

906
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 5: He goes, well, I did reach out to Chris Stapleton.

907
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 5: I said, hey, would you write me a song? So

908
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 5: Chris Stapleton writes Darius's song, and then Darius said, whatever

909
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 5: you do, don't sing that song to me because I'll

910
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 5: realize that I can't. I can't do better than what

911
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 5: you're going to sing to me. So he had a

912
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 5: deal with Chris Stapleton, write it, but don't sing it,

913
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 5: and then I'm gonna feel insecure. And then even we

914
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 5: had we had Chris Stapleton on the show and I said, oh,

915
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 5: you wrote a song for for Adele and he goes,

916
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 5: I didn't know who Adele was. They just said, you know,

917
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 5: she wanted a song. So I think that guy's written

918
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 5: over a thousand songs that ability to be able to

919
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 5: write a song. I've been listening to Jelly Roll lately.

920
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 5: Post Malone's country album I think is number one in country.

921
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: So I had one trillion. It's a great one. Dan,

922
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 2: that guy is full country. We love post Malone.

923
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 5: I saw him at the super Bowl, came out in

924
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 5: a Troy Aikman Jersey and just did his hits. He

925
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 5: was great. But I mean, I'm fascinated with those who

926
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 5: can write, certainly artists that say something or say something

927
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 5: in a unique way. And country has that country writes,

928
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 5: you know, they have some great great lyrics.

929
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: It really does.

930
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 5: Dad.

931
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: I'll take this next question because I know Dad recently

932
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: just learned it's no longer country Western.

933
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll take this next question Dad.

934
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: For you, Dan, is there a country artist or an

935
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: artist for that matter, that you've is the best athlete

936
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: of the artists, right, because there's a lot of great

937
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: crossover from Garth Brooks to Tim McGraw, Like a lot

938
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: of really good athletes. Brett Young is a former college pitcher,

939
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: a lot of really good baseball players are now country singers,

940
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: and kind of vice versa.

941
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 5: I remember talking to Tim McGraw about it, but he's

942
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 5: just in shape, like he's an athlete, like freakishly an athlete.

943
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 5: And then I remember Garth Brooks talking about when he

944
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 5: was playing for the Padres. Yeah, and like I respect

945
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 5: that that if you try it and you love it.

946
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 5: And Darius is not. Darius is a good golfer, he's

947
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: not a good athlete. No, I shouldn't say that. It's

948
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 5: not fair to the golfers who are athletes. But Darius

949
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 5: is Darius pretty good golfer there. But I don't know

950
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 5: if i'd have a number one seed, as I haven't

951
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 5: done a deep enough dive on that. Jeff to go, oh,

952
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 5: here's my country fantasy team, you know, playing football or softball?

953
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 3: Right.

954
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: Bruce Bochie put Garth Brooks into pinch rut at an

955
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: exhibition game in Arizona, and he got picked off by

956
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: like by like four feet, and the uppire called him

957
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: safe because he said, my wife loves Garth Brooks.

958
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: So I couldn't. I couldn't pick off have.

959
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: His best my wife's favorite singer get picked off first.

960
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: So famously, Tug McGraw, tim McGraw's dad, who obviously played

961
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: in the major leagues, always wanted to be a country star.

962
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: And Tim McGraw always wanted to be a Major league

963
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: baseball player.

964
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: And when I was down at spring training covering.

965
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: The Phillies two years ago, I interviewed Charlie Manuel and

966
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: you know who his roommate was in the minor leagues,

967
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: Charlie Pride.

968
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so they were.

969
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: Roommates together and He's sitting there playing country music and naturally,

970
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, these guys are in their late teens, and

971
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: he said, I'm gonna be a country star, and Charlie

972
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: Maniels says, all right, whatever.

973
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 5: Good luck, so Charlie could play. Charlie, Ye, yeah, didn't

974
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 5: you get a hit off of Jim Palmer? Does that

975
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 5: sound right to me?

976
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: That is correct?

977
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 4: In fact, I covered the Rangers for the Dallas Morning

978
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 4: News eighty two through eighty five, and every spring Charlie

979
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 4: Pride would come to camp and work out with the Rangers.

980
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: Was it was so so good, And that's why I

981
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: loved that crossover. Back to Gus Ramsey for a second,

982
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: because he was our dear Fred. Gus told me I'd

983
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: known him, and Jeff knows Gus Ramsey too. I'd known

984
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 4: Gus for five years and he looks at me out

985
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 4: of the blue and says, I ever tell you about

986
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 4: the time I caught Tom Sever And I went, what

987
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: you have waited five years to tell me a baseball

988
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: guy that you caught Tom Sever. Tom Sever was in retirement,

989
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: but he wanted to come out of retirement. They both

990
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: lived in Gretwich, Connecticut. Tom knew Gus's dad, Wally, and

991
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: Tom came over and Gus Ramsey caught Tom sever in

992
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 4: the front yard of his house in Gretwich, Connecticut. Dan,

993
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: it can't get any better than that.

994
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 5: Correct, Well, Bill Simmons lived nearby, and Gus called him

995
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 5: so Bill Simmons could come over. And I think he

996
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 5: stood as the batter as Gus caught Tom Seever. Okay, sure,

997
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 5: I mean, just imagine driving by and is that Tom Severer?

998
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 4: And he threw all four severs and then like the

999
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: twelfth pitch, he looked at Gus and said, all right,

1000
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw a slider down like Gus is going,

1001
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 4: oh my god, Tom Tom Seaver is throwing a slider.

1002
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: Now again, not everyone knows who Gus Ramsey is, Dan, but.

1003
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: You you know him? Well, do you have a favorite

1004
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 3: Gus Ramsey story? Is a Sabona story? True? R Vita Savonas.

1005
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 5: Gus was great at he would work the later Sports

1006
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 5: Center when Craig Kilbourne was there, right, and Craig Craig

1007
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 5: is great at delivering a line and whether it's his

1008
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 5: or somebody else's. And I just remember Gus Gus very creative,

1009
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: and they would have all kinds of things that they

1010
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 5: would try out late at night on Sports Center because

1011
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 5: nobody was really watching if management wasn't, so you could

1012
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 5: have some fun. And Kilbourne was really good at delivering

1013
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 5: a line, and then you could just hear him with

1014
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 5: that sort of Dennis Miller type of he's not my venus,

1015
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 5: he's not your venus, he's our vetus. And then Gus Gus,

1016
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 5: I think, is the one who's responsible for that. I

1017
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 5: remember we did this Sports Center tease and Adam Oates

1018
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 5: had just been traded to the Saint Louis Blues, I believe,

1019
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 5: so we got video of them sewing his name on

1020
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 5: the back of his uniform, and Gus goes I think

1021
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 5: you got to say, and the Blues are sowing their oats,

1022
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 5: and I was like, that's awesome.

1023
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 4: All right, Dan, We all know that you were a

1024
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 4: good high school baseball player, you were a really good

1025
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: high school basketball player, you played college basketball. How much

1026
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 4: has your playing level helped you as a broadcaster that

1027
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 4: you can actually watch a game and understand that that

1028
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 4: move that Lebron James makes or Michael makes, it's impossible

1029
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: to do that when you're six six, six eight.

1030
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 5: It's helped me immensely because I basketball is a game

1031
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: of angles, because when you say, how is that guy good?

1032
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 5: How is that guy better than somebody else? And I

1033
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 5: just believe in understanding, like there's a kind of a

1034
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 5: mathematical feel to how you attack somebody, where you attack

1035
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 5: somebody waiting for a rebound. Rodman was great, but he

1036
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 5: understood angles, and I think understanding that having played the game.

1037
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 5: I don't understand good defense, though, Tim, because I never

1038
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 5: played defense, but offense. And the older I get, the

1039
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 5: better I was. By the way, you know, that was

1040
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 5: although the biggest moment, greatest moment of my life. I

1041
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 5: was working on Sports Center and I was covering the

1042
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 5: NBA Finals with the Bulls and they played the Phoenix Suns.

1043
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 5: So this is nineteen ninety three. Now, let me go

1044
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 5: back to when the Phoenix Sons came to Hartford to

1045
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 5: play the Celtics preseason and I had been joking with

1046
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 5: Dan Marley that, you know, I could shoot. I could

1047
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 5: shoot as well as him. So he said, all right, well, uh,

1048
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 5: you know, maybe one day you come out, we'll shoot

1049
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 5: before a game. Well, he lets me know he's coming

1050
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 5: to Hartford preseason game, going to play against Celtics. Once

1051
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 5: you come out. So I show up, walk out on

1052
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 5: the floor. They're shooting around. It's Cedric Sabalos, me and

1053
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 5: Dan Marley and we're shooting threes. Well, Marley crushed me.

1054
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 5: I beat sed Sibalos, but Marley crushed me, and I said,

1055
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 5: I want to rematch. He said, all right, have a

1056
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 5: rematch anytime you want. Fast forward to the NBA Finals.

1057
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 5: I'm walking into Chicago Stadium with doctor Jack Ramsey. We're

1058
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 5: gonna go do our Sports Center hit. I have my

1059
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 5: suit on, suit and tie, dress, shoes, and Marley goes,

1060
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 5: you want your rematch? I go, I got a I

1061
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,479
Speaker 5: got a suit on. He goes, all right, if you don't.

1062
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 5: So they're just ready to Paul Westfall's ready to you know,

1063
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 5: get practice going. Barkley's there and I'm I said, all right,

1064
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 5: I take off my jacket, I undo my shirt so

1065
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 5: my shirt tails out, take off my tie and then

1066
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 5: I go, uh, how many how many warm up shots?

1067
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 5: I said? Can I have? Like ten? And lionel' Hollins goes,

1068
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 5: you get three? So I just I just walked in.

1069
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 5: Marley's been warming up and I get three three pointers

1070
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 5: and we're gonna shoot fifteen. Well, Marley goes first, and

1071
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 5: I think he hit twelve twelve out of fifteen. So

1072
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 5: I make eleven out of fourteen.

1073
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

1074
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 5: And then Marley goes, are you going to play for

1075
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 5: the tie? And I go, well, what do you mean?

1076
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 5: He goes, if you bank it from the side, I'll

1077
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 5: count it as two banked it.

1078
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 5: The next game Marley hit eight three pointers. He called

1081
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 5: it the worst day and the best day shooting. And

1082
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 5: so I've got Jack Ramsey there and Jack goes, Dan,

1083
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 5: I never would have believed it if I didn't see

1084
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 5: it for myself. I like now I had street cred

1085
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 5: with the Hall of Fame coach because it happened. It

1086
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 5: was real, and Dan Marley has been very generous to

1087
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 5: acknowledge that he did lose to me in a three

1088
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 5: point shooting contest.

1089
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 4: Right now, Jeff, I don't think Dan is going to

1090
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: remember this. But again, a good baseball player also, so

1091
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 4: I challenged him on the air ones that facing Randy

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01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 4: Johnson in his prime one hundred pitches a he's not

1093
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 4: getting a hit, period, and I don't think he's putting

1094
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 4: the ball in play because Randy Johnson is one of

1095
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 4: the greatest ten greatest pitchers ever and maybe the most

1096
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 4: intimidating pitcher that I have ever seen.

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: Dan, do you remember this conversation where I.

1098
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 4: Told you you will not get a hit or put

1099
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 4: a ball in play against Randy Johnson.

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01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 5: I could have been drunk that night on Sports Senator too. Okay,

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01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 5: I don't remember it, but I do know that I

1102
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 5: would have said something like that. I once said to

1103
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 5: Mark Grace, I think I could get a pitch by you.

1104
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 5: I think I could get a pitch a swing and miss.

1105
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 5: And he goes, what is wrong? And he goes, you can't.

1106
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 5: He goes, why would you be able to get a

1107
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 5: pitch by me? And for some reason I thought, you

1108
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 5: know what I think I could get I could get

1109
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 5: a curveball by Mark Grace. And he just laughed. But

1110
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 5: like I would have done it. I have nothing to lose. See,

1111
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 5: I'm like George Plimpton, who used to do all of

1112
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 5: these things, but nobody like you weren't supposed to be good.

1113
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 5: But if you give me the chance, there's a chance

1114
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 5: I might accidentally be good. It would be a great

1115
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 5: story if I got a pitch by Mark Grace. Now

1116
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 5: he might hit you know, seven of them out of

1117
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 5: the ballpark, but maybe, just maybe. And I was I

1118
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 5: always thought, like he, I'm the most competitive guy. Like I,

1119
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 5: I'll challenge, it doesn't matter. I'm going to challenge and

1120
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 5: you know, to my much to my detriment. But that

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01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 5: that's probably something I said about Randy Johnson. I think

1122
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 5: I could get a hit offf I could get a

1123
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 5: ball in playoff. Maddox though, well, no, I'm just I mean,

1124
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 5: maybe maybe, but I'm just kidding. I'm kind of just

1125
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 5: kidding Tim, Now I could get I think I could

1126
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 5: put it in playoff. Addicts.

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: Now, well he's he's pretty old now and as well

1128
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: so am I.

1129
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 5: But I'm well aware, Hey, this is the thing. This

1130
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 5: lasts forever. I might not be better than you twenty

1131
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 5: years ago, but now I might have a chance against somebody.

1132
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 5: That's the way it works with me. But Dan, isn't

1133
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 5: this the point?

1134
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 3: Though?

1135
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 4: Are the different levels of the game that you were

1136
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 4: a good baseball and basketball player in your day, but

1137
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: when you go up against not necessarily it's it's a

1138
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 4: completely different game that they play. The thought of you're

1139
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 4: going to take Michael Jordan to the to the ten,

1140
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: that just ain't happening.

1141
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 5: But I didn't challenge Michael Jordan's I did. I did. Look,

1142
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 5: I got a sickness, Timmy. So Jordan just hits the

1143
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 5: game winning shot to beat the Utah Jazz NBA Finals.

1144
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 5: This is it. His career is over. He does the

1145
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 5: Sports Center hit and he gets up and am I

1146
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 5: allowed to curse on this podcast? Okay? So I'll give

1147
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 5: you the full language. So Jordan is there, shirttails out,

1148
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 5: his shoes are off, he's got a Cuban cigar, he soaked,

1149
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 5: and I as he's walking, So we're going to commercial break.

1150
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 5: Phil Jackson's to the right of me. He's gonna come up.

1151
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 5: So Mike gets up. I go, man, shame you're retiring.

1152
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 5: Turns out, He goes, why is that? I said? Man,

1153
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 5: I'd like a piece of you. Okay, I'm in my

1154
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 5: suit and tie on Sports Center doing live interviews and

1155
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 5: Jordan goes get the walk up and I go. He goes,

1156
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 5: how would you fucking guard me? How would you? And

1157
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 5: I put my arm my foe, you know, like that

1158
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 5: forearm bar and he goes, and then he had some

1159
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 5: more choice words after that. As he walked out. I

1160
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 5: went and sat down and I went, oh my god.

1161
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 5: And Phil Jackson looks at me, he goes, why did

1162
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 5: you say that? I go, I don't know. I just

1163
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 5: it just hit me. I mean like I wanted a

1164
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 5: piece of Michael Jordan. Oh my god. I don't regret

1165
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 5: it because I give me ten tries, give me ten shots.

1166
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 5: That's he may block them all, but there's always the chance, Tim,

1167
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 5: always the chance.

1168
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 3: Dan.

1169
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 4: The other lesson is, no matter how competitive you are,

1170
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 4: no matter how much you want to win, the level

1171
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 4: of Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, John Smoltz, Cal Ripken, name

1172
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 4: them all, is just at a place that even you

1173
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 4: cannot comprehend.

1174
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 5: Agreed, Oh, absolutely absolutely. Although if you gave me a

1175
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 5: couple open threes, Tim, I'm never going to surrender. I won't.

1176
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 5: I always want the chance. That's why I never say

1177
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 5: somebody doesn't have a chance. When somebody goes, oh, you

1178
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 5: know this team won't come back, they don't have a chance.

1179
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 5: You're on the field, you're on the court, you have

1180
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 5: a chance. And I always had that. That was my

1181
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 5: mentality because I didn't know how to get in this business.

1182
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 5: But give me a chance. That's all you want a chance.

1183
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 5: And then it's up to you after that, because you

1184
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 5: may only get one chance. But it's all I ever

1185
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 5: asked for. Give me a chance, and I promise you

1186
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 5: I won't lose. And that's really been the mentality that

1187
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 5: I've had in my career.

1188
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: Dan, last thing from me, I can't help, but notice

1189
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: the mug that sits in front of your studio microphone.

1190
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: It says, pop pop. Is that your grandfather name?

1191
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1192
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is my grandfather, my dad's grandfather name as well.

1193
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: I have a one year old daughter, and he has

1194
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: a niece and nephew from my sister Kelly. You're both

1195
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: popops on the show we got four pops here.

1196
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 5: I just can't get my eighteen month old granddaughter to

1197
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 5: say pop pop. That's the problem. I'm like, damn it,

1198
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 5: pop pop. That's not gonna happen. I'm like, all right,

1199
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 5: one of these days, one of these days, Dan.

1200
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 4: I was at the Little League World Series doing some

1201
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 4: games and Jeffrey's daughter McKinley, my granddaughter who just turned one,

1202
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 4: saw me on TV and pointed out the television and.

1203
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 5: When okay, all right, Tim, Okay, how sorry, I don't

1204
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 5: know how great that is. I don't know.

1205
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: Wow, big brag there, Dad, way to bury the man.

1206
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: I finally did something better than Tim.

1207
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 5: I'm the guest. I am the guest here. Come on, Yeah,

1208
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 5: it's awesome. It's awesome to have that feeling. Uh in

1209
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 5: one of these days, maybe she says Pompom.

1210
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 4: Well, Dan, we could, we could keep you here for

1211
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 4: five hours, but obviously we're not.

1212
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining.

1213
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for the invitation. Uh, Jeff, you're lucky.

1214
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: You got a great dad, one of my favorite people,

1215
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 5: and uh a professional and and and to be able

1216
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 5: to be around certain people at ESPN where they just

1217
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 5: they did it right way, no shortcuts, worked hard, loves

1218
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 5: loves his sport and uh for ever and debded, you

1219
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 5: were always there to tell a story or to listen

1220
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 5: to a story, and you always made us sharper. You

1221
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 5: always made us better, certainly with our baseball coverage there, Timmy,

1222
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 5: So thank you, Jeff, good luck with country music and uh,

1223
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 5: thanks thanks for having me on.

1224
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan, it's been a pleasure.

1225
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: As always, Dan, I was glad you mentioned my dad

1226
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: and not our shared agent Paul Anderson.

1227
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: You've got a great guy that agent. Totally different vibe

1228
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: at the end.

1229
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: There.

1230
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 5: Way to bring it down there, Jeff, Way to bring

1231
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 5: it down by and leave it to me. I'm saying

1232
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 5: goodbye to you. You're supposed to say goodbye to me.

1233
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm wrapping you guys up. All right, Tim,

1234
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 5: all right, Jeff, Hey, great.

1235
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: We have too many radio hosts on the show.

1236
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 5: I'm going to do this again. Thank you, guys, Thank you.

1237
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: To Dan Patrick for being an amazing guest. And and

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Speaker 1: And man, I just want to like roll some die

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Speaker 2: Give me a twenty.

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Speaker 3: Sided die, so, Jeff. When I covered the Orioles Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame, broadcaster John Miller was the play by play guy.

1248
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 3: I was the beat guy who covered the team for

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Speaker 3: the Baltimore Sun. So one night in Minnesota, I left

1250
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Speaker 3: my notebook in the press box. Terrible sin for a

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Speaker 3: baseball writer. So John picked it up and brought it

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Speaker 3: back to his room, and he called me at about

1253
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Speaker 3: midnight and said, I got your reporter. So I ran

1254
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: up there and John Miller.

1255
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Speaker 4: Who had just called a Major League Baseball game, was

1256
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 4: playing Stratamatic.

1257
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Speaker 3: In his room at midnight.

1258
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Speaker 4: And he looked at me and he goes, I love

1259
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Speaker 4: the Blue Jays bullpen.

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Speaker 3: So he had Darryl Ward. He had, all right, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna have to cut this because I forgot So he

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01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 3: just loved the Toronto bullpen, and he loved to line

1263
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Speaker 3: up his guys and Dwayne Ward and Tom Hankey ready

1264
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 3: for the eighth and ninth inning. So I always found

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Speaker 3: Stratamatic on a charter flight like across the country. And Ripkin,

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Speaker 3: the most competitive person in the world, was so upset

1270
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Speaker 3: that he lost. He looked at John Miller and said,

1271
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 3: I want to rematch, And then he prepared a new team.

1272
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: He prepared a new lineup, and then he ended up

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Speaker 3: winning the game. That's what Strata Maatic could do to people.

1274
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Speaker 3: They're playing the game at midnight by themselves after already

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Speaker 3: calling a major league game, and then Cal Ripkin and

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Speaker 2: All right, Dad, next week another episode. We've got it.

1281
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: More Pennant Race coming towards you of brand new guest.

1282
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: So much excitement.

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: And to answer the question a lot of people have

1284
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: been asking us, we are going to continue the show

1285
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: through the playoffs. Dad's going to be traveling all throughout

1286
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: the country in order to cover what's going on.

1287
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: But we're going to find a way and say a

1288
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: prayer for my.

1289
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Speaker 1: Dad to figure out his microphone and his camera on

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Speaker 1: through the playoffs. Thank you for listening, and always thank

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Speaker 1: you for being a part of our family.