Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody.
Speaker 2: It's Quest Love and please make sure that you're up
Speaker 2: to date on my podcast, The Quest Love Show. However,
Speaker 2: it's Quest Love Supreme for life. Back in late twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: in the thick of the pandemic, QLs had my guys
Speaker 2: one Boys to Men for a two part podcast discussion.
Speaker 2: It's damn near three hours of conversation when we get
Speaker 2: real and all the stories behind this incredible record breaking group.
Speaker 2: So join me Fon, tigelow Laiya, Unpaid Bill and Sugar
Speaker 2: Steve for this amazing touchstone interview with a lot of humor,
Speaker 2: candor and realness.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Nate, Sean and Wanye.
Speaker 2: Shout out to you to Mike and Mark, You're all
Speaker 2: Boys to Men to me, you guys humbled me and
Speaker 2: also gave one incredible conversation at a time when we
Speaker 2: needed it. So here's Part two of Boys to Men
Speaker 2: on Quest Love Supreme. Quest Love Supreme is a production
Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to part two of
Speaker 2: our talk with Boys to Men. I gotta say we
Speaker 2: were having.
Speaker 1: So much fun. I didn't even know it was going
Speaker 1: to be this much fun.
Speaker 2: Normally we could wrap up a Quest Love Supreme episode
Speaker 2: and just you know, like shy of it, north of
Speaker 2: an hour and I don't know the time, just kept
Speaker 2: going on and next thing you know is two episodes worth.
Speaker 2: So I haven't had this extensive of a talk with
Speaker 2: them since our days in high school. So it's really
Speaker 2: good to catch up with the guys. I hope you're
Speaker 2: enjoying it. Without further ado, Part two of our conversation
Speaker 2: Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 3: And Boys to Men.
Speaker 1: Of the projects you worked on, what's your favorite? What
Speaker 1: is your favorite one? What do you feel about from
Speaker 1: artistic achievement? What do you feel like this is? This
Speaker 1: is my legacy.
Speaker 4: Well, I won't say project per se, but I would
Speaker 4: say one of my biggest enjoyments at this stage and
Speaker 4: age in my career and where we are is when
Speaker 4: we do our orchestra concerts. We do a concert with
Speaker 4: just us us three vocally and you know, whatever orchestral
Speaker 4: we're around, whether it's in New York Symphonic orchestral, whether
Speaker 4: with La and the Hollywood Bowl, and we do all
Speaker 4: of our records and it's all stripped down to just
Speaker 4: strings and brass and drums, nothing electronic at all and
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 3: It's an atmosphere.
Speaker 4: It's an atmosphere that because you've been involved in the
Speaker 4: business the way we have so long. You go on tour,
Speaker 4: you got the samples in the backgrounds and you sing
Speaker 4: over here and the drums and the guitars, electric everything.
Speaker 4: When they strip all that out, it takes you back
Speaker 4: to the high school performing arts. It's almost like everybody,
Speaker 4: it's the door just opens. It's a brand new, you know,
Speaker 4: fresh air to where the vocals have room to breathe,
Speaker 4: like you live in a whole different space. You're not
Speaker 4: fighting against the electronic keyboard or somebody's base being too loud.
Speaker 4: You know, you just get to flow over the strings
Speaker 4: and the harps and the whole nine. And for me,
Speaker 4: whenever we do all the stuff that we do with
Speaker 4: everything jumping around or whatever, whenever they say there's an
Speaker 4: orchestra concert, it's just a sigh of relax and relief
Speaker 4: to where it's like, thank you Jesus, now let's just
Speaker 4: go and sing our songs.
Speaker 3: And that's just the best.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you one thing I'm here, the thing
Speaker 5: that i've I've our goal, or rather, the thing I'm
Speaker 5: most proud of is something we haven't done yet, and
Speaker 5: I hope we do it because we've had this conversation before,
Speaker 5: and that's to do an acoustics show, like you know,
Speaker 5: the guy you know, we've all learned how to play
Speaker 5: guitars and you.
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know that's I totally forgot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know, we talked.
Speaker 6: About this as far as actually doing like, you know,
Speaker 6: a set or unplugged type of show.
Speaker 1: Well, how long have you guys been doing that format
Speaker 1: for our listeners?
Speaker 8: Don't know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last time I seen you guys before him,
Speaker 2: it was you three with your guitars, which I didn't know.
Speaker 8: Me, No, we didn't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Nate, Nate plays bass and I played guitar, and
Speaker 6: and uh we started playing around.
Speaker 8: Uh what is it?
Speaker 5: I was forty three, so that was five years ago.
Speaker 5: So that was in twenty fourteen, fifteen something like that,
Speaker 5: and we just started to play. We just felt like
Speaker 5: it was an idea. It was around the time we
Speaker 5: did this.
Speaker 8: Album called Collide, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: One of the guys was like that was working with us,
Speaker 5: was like, yo, you guys know how to play guitars,
Speaker 5: And it was like I guess we should. So, you know,
Speaker 5: Nate and I went to Tower in Vegas and I
Speaker 5: picked up a you know, a modern size strap, and
Speaker 5: he picked up a bass. And I've been playing ever since,
Speaker 5: and Nate's been playing ever since. And it's broad in
Speaker 5: the show to the point now where we've added guitar
Speaker 5: parts to the show and and you know, acoustic and electric,
Speaker 5: and this is something that has opened all of our
Speaker 5: to the possibilities of us taking our music to even
Speaker 5: another stage and you know, potentially just doing an all
Speaker 5: unplugged type of thing because we did it like you
Speaker 5: just like you said the last time you saw us,
Speaker 5: we were doing Come Together, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like you know, and and water runs dry and I'll
Speaker 5: make love to you all acoustical that it was incredible.
Speaker 9: I loved it.
Speaker 8: You got you gotta do that out there.
Speaker 1: I was going to say where y'all got there?
Speaker 10: Of course, really right, I wanted to not invited, man, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I wanted to jump back on y'all on your production
Speaker 10: for a little while you were speaking, Nick, you were
Speaker 10: saying earlier just about how you know the records that
Speaker 10: you guys did and versus the records that you know that.
Speaker 1: You know that I'll make love to use in the
Speaker 1: end of the roads.
Speaker 10: I always thought, just as a fan of you guys,
Speaker 10: whenever people would make the argument of like, you know,
Speaker 10: the boys Men versus Jodasy argument like what Jodasy was
Speaker 10: more this, but boys Men was kind of clean cut.
Speaker 10: I will always go to y'all production and I would
Speaker 10: say like, nah, this is what they really own. So
Speaker 10: like Nate, you did a record, the Johnny Guil record,
Speaker 10: I Got you.
Speaker 1: And think of you case.
Speaker 10: And when y'all did the one twelve now that we're
Speaker 10: done like the off the stuff like that, to me,
Speaker 10: I was like, nah, this is what these niggas is
Speaker 10: really on.
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So well, you know, we were always wanted to get
Speaker 3: you know about it was.
Speaker 1: The jo Tosy boys of Men thing, Like was that
Speaker 1: a thing? Were you black versus it was?
Speaker 4: It was real, but not created by us. It was
Speaker 4: real because we were already good friends. We freaking love
Speaker 4: like Jodsy is just like I mean, it's ying and Yang.
Speaker 4: There would be no Jodasy with our boys to mend
Speaker 4: and vice versa. And we every time we would see
Speaker 4: him on the road, we try to catch up with him.
Speaker 8: I mean, we love those dudes.
Speaker 4: I mean the audience has made it more of the oppetition,
Speaker 4: and it was it was more friendly for us.
Speaker 3: But I mean there there are different identities.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know Jodashy, you know they have the
Speaker 4: two singers and they had the producer, and you know,
Speaker 4: we had the four singers and the three producers. I
Speaker 4: mean we kind of did a little bit of everything,
Speaker 4: so everybody had their own little genre, but producing and
Speaker 4: writing with something again that we really enjoyed because we're
Speaker 4: the type of guys that you know, being being emotional.
Speaker 3: We like to sing what we write, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And when we got a chance to get with Face
Speaker 4: and Jimmy and Terry and out, I'm like, all the
Speaker 4: lessons we could possibly learn from those guys, we tried
Speaker 4: to roll over into the stuff that we did. But
Speaker 4: for as far as like I said, we we wrote.
Speaker 4: The first song I ever wrote in my life was
Speaker 4: please don't Know.
Speaker 3: I think I was fourteen fifteen years old, so.
Speaker 4: Well that's years of getting stomped on.
Speaker 3: Like you know, like we talked about, the nobody really
Speaker 3: checked for us. But my point being, we all come
Speaker 3: from that.
Speaker 4: All four of us came from writing words down and
Speaker 4: creating songs and singing them.
Speaker 3: That's how our whole career jumped off.
Speaker 8: So as it went in, you know those.
Speaker 4: Songs you talk about now that we're done, all those
Speaker 4: other songs, and that was the stuff that we just
Speaker 4: naturally did because that was that's part of who we were.
Speaker 4: It just may out have always gotten on the Boys
Speaker 4: to Men albums because I lost many produced songs.
Speaker 10: Man, Yeah, I love Sean like even like your shn
Speaker 10: just soundtrack stuff. And I told you this before in
Speaker 10: presompation like the Visions of the Sunset and like the
Speaker 10: record you did.
Speaker 8: Months Man, I love that round.
Speaker 3: Real quick.
Speaker 8: I want to cut you off.
Speaker 4: But the time I heard that song, when when I
Speaker 4: heard because I know he played keys on it, When
Speaker 4: I first heard that, dude, I had a tear in
Speaker 4: my eye. That's my that's my brother. I had a
Speaker 4: tear when I heard. I was like, Oh, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to crawl up and throt position like.
Speaker 9: I love him to keep a couple of times because
Speaker 9: I loved that song.
Speaker 3: I love, love love that song.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 10: Before I forget, oh, before I forget dude, what happened
Speaker 10: to Uncle Sam.
Speaker 3: Uh he out did getting some of that Jesus money.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he actually is getting Jesus money.
Speaker 4: But we we had him signed the Stone Creek, our
Speaker 4: record labeled back in Philly, and we all, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: we all fell in love with him the first day
Speaker 4: we heard him, and I felt there was something we
Speaker 4: could work with. We went in and produced the record
Speaker 4: and uh, I think the album. The album sold a
Speaker 4: million records and you know, the single, so the million
Speaker 4: records and the album was half so half a Manion Records.
Speaker 4: And then we went back in to renegotiate with Epic
Speaker 4: to do another record, and unfortunately he wasn't really happy
Speaker 4: with his terms. Now, we'll tell you one thing that
Speaker 4: we learned in our business. For us, we don't treat
Speaker 4: people the way we were treated a lot of artisan
Speaker 4: producers be like, well, you know, I went through it,
Speaker 4: and you got to go through.
Speaker 8: We would never know those guys.
Speaker 4: We made sure that the deals you got you were
Speaker 4: happy with, and if you didn't like those deals, we
Speaker 4: could tear those deals up and you could walk. But
Speaker 4: you know, Sam, for some reason at that time, had
Speaker 4: a whole different agenda of what he really wanted to do,
Speaker 4: and we didn't really want, you know, stifle him from that,
Speaker 4: so we said, okay, well that's you want to do.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 4: So when we walked from him, the label said, well, well,
Speaker 4: if y'all ain't with him, we ain't with him.
Speaker 8: So that's why I.
Speaker 6: Yep, can I ask.
Speaker 11: Y'all it's funny I mentioned that the joasy thing.
Speaker 12: I was kind of always curious how y'all felt, since
Speaker 12: they were kind of allowed to be the bad boys.
Speaker 12: But y'all, especially at the end of the road, it
Speaker 12: was like a whole persona preppiness or whatever. But knowing
Speaker 12: who y'all really are is South Philly, Philly y'all.
Speaker 3: Personally, I personally took to yeah problem.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was gonna say, what was that like?
Speaker 12: And how was it like wearing those masks at times
Speaker 12: when you really had to wear the mask?
Speaker 1: I feel like, was Alexander Pool a real person?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was after he was a character.
Speaker 6: To watch a TV watch it all the time, and
Speaker 6: that's how he came up with the look because he
Speaker 6: used to trust that way.
Speaker 3: But he ain't live at seventeen Christians. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: used to have it.
Speaker 4: I used to have a problem having to do that
Speaker 4: because that wasn't me, wasn't even close to me, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So to watch them get out
Speaker 4: there and have a chance to just be regular niggas,
Speaker 4: I had a problem with that, right.
Speaker 8: I just wanted.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to be me, and I couldn't because
Speaker 4: I had to protect the entity of my guys.
Speaker 8: And it is what it is.
Speaker 6: I was the suburbs, so you know, you know, I
Speaker 6: had to you know, ilation.
Speaker 3: Withs with me.
Speaker 13: I feel like, you know, I guess at a young age,
Speaker 13: I was looking at it as the music called for
Speaker 13: the entertainment value, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: I mean their music was gritty, their music was you
Speaker 9: know what I'm saying, So you have him.
Speaker 13: It was you know, it was that and and we
Speaker 13: weren't there, so we couldn't personify that type of you know, uh,
Speaker 13: we couldn't be that character, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: And the funny thing is is what people don't understand
Speaker 13: is what made us non offensive. It is no matter
Speaker 13: what we were singing, we were no character.
Speaker 9: You understand.
Speaker 13: We were characters of our own personification, singing love songs,
Speaker 13: which made it so non offensive. People couldn't pinpoint it.
Speaker 13: They didn't know we was black or white, you know
Speaker 13: what I'm saying, until they actually saw us. You gotta understand,
Speaker 13: the two album was bigger than Koli. How Harmony we
Speaker 13: weren't on Koli. How harmony we weren't on the two albums.
Speaker 1: On the cover, we weren't on the cover.
Speaker 3: That was another fight that they wanted us to cover,
Speaker 3: and we wouldn't want to.
Speaker 1: Pull the Brothers sixties move? Wait, why why why did
Speaker 1: you do that?
Speaker 3: We had uh got it? No?
Speaker 5: I mean basically, we wanted it to be about the music,
Speaker 5: and we understood that, you know, being quite frankly, you know,
Speaker 5: our faces on the cover we felt at this point
Speaker 5: was kind of corny.
Speaker 6: So we were like, we wanted to make, you know,
Speaker 6: the album itself be the concept.
Speaker 8: So and one came up with a damn good logo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like I came into with the time, Okay,
Speaker 1: I drew that, I do it.
Speaker 9: Pencil drew it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, kyan Ye drew it right, and and and he
Speaker 5: put it all together. Yanye actually drew this. So we
Speaker 5: casked some guys, what's the agent guy that we had
Speaker 5: created created like this metal thing. This was before you know,
Speaker 5: all the technology we have now. It looks just like
Speaker 5: the mold of the.
Speaker 6: Two things set it up in lighting. That was that's
Speaker 6: an actual picture that that new album coming. They different
Speaker 6: angle and.
Speaker 5: Made it look the way that it look and the
Speaker 5: label we were we were at a somebody's beach house,
Speaker 5: you know, meeting with all the heads of Motown because
Speaker 5: this is you know, we were the big group at
Speaker 5: the time, so everybody was talking, you know, wanted to
Speaker 5: hear our ideas, and they fought us, right, no, your
Speaker 5: face has.
Speaker 6: Got to be on the record. Your face got to
Speaker 6: be on the record.
Speaker 5: When they finally saw it and we put it out,
Speaker 5: we saw a paper newspaper article when the album came
Speaker 5: out and it reached a certain level and the label
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, we came up with the idea.
Speaker 6: We didn't want to their faces on the album.
Speaker 1: It was this Herald era or Busby Nah.
Speaker 4: This was before hell, this was before heral. But what's
Speaker 4: funny was that this was during the long CD box
Speaker 4: where it stuck down and the till then and the
Speaker 4: picture was up top. So that's why they were fighting
Speaker 4: because they wanted the faces to be up top. But
Speaker 4: when Wine came up with the idea, I literally remember
Speaker 4: him saying, it's got to look it's got to look
Speaker 4: like the Batman's it's got to look like something that's
Speaker 4: got that. And we fell in love with that idea
Speaker 4: of it, and we tried to take that idea to
Speaker 4: the label, but again they were stuck on we got
Speaker 4: to put.
Speaker 8: Your facers on it.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that they realized even after eight
Speaker 4: or nine million records, how strong the name of the
Speaker 4: group was.
Speaker 1: Wow man, One day, I want to ask you real quick,
Speaker 1: broken hearted man.
Speaker 13: You know, during the time of Broken Hearted, Brandy was
Speaker 13: just coming out. She just had I want to be
Speaker 13: down and I really thought that she she was just
Speaker 13: like a good thing. I knew that she had something
Speaker 13: that I hadn't heard all time, you know, vocally, and
Speaker 13: you know, I contacted her mom and we were all
Speaker 13: talking and saying, Yo, this girl, she's crazy.
Speaker 9: I would love to, you know, you know, do some
Speaker 9: music with her whatnot.
Speaker 13: This is before anything ever transpired relationship wise, and her
Speaker 13: mom agreed, you know, and you know, we all met up.
Speaker 13: I met I went actually went to Carson, which is
Speaker 13: in California.
Speaker 9: Like it was like the hood, you know what I mean.
Speaker 13: And I hung out like literally all day her her
Speaker 13: boyfriend and ray J when he was little, you know,
Speaker 13: the mom and dad. You know, I have my security
Speaker 13: with me, you know what I'm saying. You know, I
Speaker 13: went down and we hung out and we just ran
Speaker 13: sang rifts and stuff, all of you know, just copying
Speaker 13: each other's ribs. I was pretty pretty young, but not
Speaker 13: that young. And as time progressed, she became like my
Speaker 13: little you know, my little sidekick, you know, like we
Speaker 13: would actually just literally hang out. And as time progressed,
Speaker 13: you know, hanging out so much, you began to catch feelings,
Speaker 13: you know what I'm saying, And it was really innocent feelings,
Speaker 13: really innocent feelings. And you know, fans, by that, she
Speaker 13: started getting older, you know, she started coming into anyway,
Speaker 13: she started, she started coming into her womanhood. And I
Speaker 13: was getting older, man. You know, people we get older closer,
Speaker 13: and that's what happened. And during that time, we did
Speaker 13: used to be in the studio all the time. You know,
Speaker 13: I actually was the one that got her on the
Speaker 13: boys to mentor. I'm the one that actually introduced her
Speaker 13: to the Moesha people. My management manager was Quadri was actually,
Speaker 13: you know, trying to find something for boys to men
Speaker 13: to do. And I said, look, we got Brandy down
Speaker 13: the hallway and she used to be on THEA. You
Speaker 13: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: So they they met up with her mom. You know
Speaker 9: what I mean. I'm the one that hooked her to
Speaker 9: go hooked her up to go on prolem with with Kobee.
Speaker 11: Literally, I did you the reason my girlfriend Johnson stood
Speaker 11: the prime.
Speaker 9: The crazy thing is I wrote Me and my Mom
Speaker 9: wrote the Moesia soundtrack, the Mosha song Me and my Mom,
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying. So it's like it was
Speaker 9: really publishing them because you know that was my girlfriend
Speaker 9: at the time. They act like I had nothing to
Speaker 9: do with it.
Speaker 11: On Netflix.
Speaker 13: Man, I know, right, but but you know, broken Hearted
Speaker 13: was one of the songs that came out of that.
Speaker 13: The song broken Hearted was already on her album and
Speaker 13: I was like, Yo, we should do a duet. We
Speaker 13: should turn that you on the flip of around and
Speaker 13: just make it a duet, and her mom agreed. Everybody agreed.
Speaker 13: They produced the record and boom we did Broken Hearted
Speaker 13: and we didn't even think it was going to be big,
Speaker 13: but we just knew it was a good song.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a great song man.
Speaker 13: Yeah, so you know it was it was a time
Speaker 13: in our lives when we were really young, you know
Speaker 13: what I mean. Of course, people getting relationships and they
Speaker 13: get out of relationship.
Speaker 6: Everybody acts like it's so.
Speaker 13: Harsh of the situation that people break up all the time,
Speaker 13: you know, especially as young as we.
Speaker 11: And we was asking you about the music. Why you
Speaker 11: ain't thank you?
Speaker 1: I appreciate you going there.
Speaker 10: This my man, this is my man show, right, Yeah,
Speaker 10: you know, Oh, I just had one, uh one of
Speaker 10: my deep cut questions on the Evolution album. There was
Speaker 10: a record it was deep in the record and I
Speaker 10: loved it. It was never single, nothing to the limit, man,
Speaker 10: I love that record. What was the if you remember,
Speaker 10: like what was this? Y?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What was the story behind that?
Speaker 13: One?
Speaker 12: Man?
Speaker 5: So many songs that I personally enjoyed that would never
Speaker 5: sing and they could have been just as viable as
Speaker 5: anything else. But again, it's it's amazing when people's attention
Speaker 5: span turned somewhere else. It doesn't matter how good your
Speaker 5: record is. It doesn't matter how good you are. If
Speaker 5: people are done with you, they've done with you.
Speaker 7: But to the limit is.
Speaker 6: It was one of those records. It's funny because I
Speaker 6: started writing.
Speaker 5: I started writing that record in Jersey, presented most of
Speaker 5: it to the guys, and they wrote the dress you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, and and and it was just
Speaker 5: a vibe. The track was made by Puffy producers, and
Speaker 5: we wanted to do something that was sensual and and
Speaker 5: and accommodated to two women. You understood that, you know,
Speaker 5: the ladies were predominant, you know, demographic, So we wanted
Speaker 5: to create a a a scenario where we were kind
Speaker 5: of there everything you know what I'm saying, like and
Speaker 5: having that massage day with your guy, which was us
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, And that pretty much was it.
Speaker 6: That was that was a spa day for our for our.
Speaker 5: Significant others, you know what I'm saying, and and and
Speaker 5: doing everything that that every woman would would dream of
Speaker 5: their man doing.
Speaker 6: And that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: That was a great song.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I love I love that song.
Speaker 3: I love that record.
Speaker 8: I figure I mean to.
Speaker 1: Wine, it's the harmony.
Speaker 11: Wine is let us see the bottle because we get here, Yes,
Speaker 11: y'all gonna keep me here. I'm let me see that.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 11: What y'all do is what is that you got there?
Speaker 4: Rose?
Speaker 1: Is that harmony wine?
Speaker 7: We got got shoulder. There's a Grammy wine whatever you need.
Speaker 8: We got red.
Speaker 7: We got got Grammy some wine.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's just called red.
Speaker 6: That's what does And I know you're a food kind
Speaker 6: of sore, but you know, wine got to be in
Speaker 6: the mix somewhere with that.
Speaker 9: All right?
Speaker 1: Correct? What did you guys get in too? When did
Speaker 1: when did you guys step into uh find spirits so
Speaker 1: to speak?
Speaker 8: This was years and this is called harmony.
Speaker 6: Correct, it's called harmony.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, help you out little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: They're all boys, they're all Bordeaus. They they were grown
Speaker 6: in a chateau a goose, which is this placed all
Speaker 6: the way in you know, France or whatever.
Speaker 4: And all the way yea, all the way and like
Speaker 4: deep deep it's not like a four year old all
Speaker 4: the way all.
Speaker 5: The way to France. That's that's my trump vernacular. And
Speaker 5: you know, basically and uh basically you know this this
Speaker 5: was something that we we've been experimenting and trying to
Speaker 5: get into for years, but we never really found the
Speaker 5: right people to get involved with business wise.
Speaker 6: But we found the folks who found the guys. And
Speaker 6: again there's three wines. It's a Bordeaux Blanc, it's a
Speaker 6: Bordeaux Rose, and it's a Bordeaux red or rouge as
Speaker 6: they call it.
Speaker 5: And you know it's it's an affordable yet very tasty,
Speaker 5: uh multi pallided wine like it's it's it has such
Speaker 5: a great flavor, all of them.
Speaker 6: Like I don't want to say I could commercial, and
Speaker 6: I don't want to sound like you know.
Speaker 9: You got me.
Speaker 13: So you know the crazy thing is is I know
Speaker 13: you appreciate you appreciate this air. The way that they
Speaker 13: grow the grapes, you know where they grow up. They
Speaker 13: play our music to the grapes.
Speaker 3: You keep better.
Speaker 11: Stop they want you better?
Speaker 8: Right people?
Speaker 4: That scientific word for it that we can't remember. You
Speaker 4: know that you know that it helps you know that
Speaker 4: fight off, helps them fight off a lot of different
Speaker 4: infections and things.
Speaker 2: Like that is literally, Yes, I've heard of this before
Speaker 2: where people use music to grow. Yeah, they've done to research.
Speaker 11: So that's the selling point right there, y'all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But so we can we can also do some
Speaker 4: some Joey Francesco, some roots records, some Chris McBride. We
Speaker 4: can play that for the grapes too. We just started,
Speaker 4: you know, like a jazz barn harmony.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: All the grapes are organically grown because it's better resistant
Speaker 5: to pesticides and disease and all the other stuff.
Speaker 3: So I said that, Okay, So we wanted to make
Speaker 3: I love y'all believe you.
Speaker 6: Wanted to make sure that that the grapes, just like us,
Speaker 6: was organic.
Speaker 1: Got some two product. I had to pull up, some
Speaker 1: apple crown, some peanut butter whiskey.
Speaker 11: This is like the first product that y'all have like
Speaker 11: put out in your career, right am. I?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it really, it really really is.
Speaker 4: And we we talk about that, and the question has
Speaker 4: been asked and one of the things is that we've
Speaker 4: never been the type of group to do the so
Speaker 4: called indoors. This is something that we really really believe
Speaker 4: that it's a part of our lifestyle. Who we are,
Speaker 4: something we can represent, something that we can do, and
Speaker 4: we're just not good at faking it, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So this.
Speaker 3: That you know, being you know, being older, you know
Speaker 3: men now, and you know, being.
Speaker 4: Able to you know, drink a glass of wine and
Speaker 4: relax and chill and be a part of friends, family, harmony, music,
Speaker 4: the sounds of different type of blends and different grapes.
Speaker 4: All of it encompasses who we are and where we
Speaker 4: are at this point in our life.
Speaker 8: So here, here, you're here, all right?
Speaker 2: My last question, have you guys been when's the last
Speaker 2: time you've been? Have you been to the Broad Street
Speaker 2: Creative and Performing Arts?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 9: At all? Yes?
Speaker 1: Were you angry at how immaculate and clean?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 8: From there?
Speaker 3: Let me go you.
Speaker 1: I was mad as let me get Let me give
Speaker 1: a little insight. It's like it was like a comminium.
Speaker 4: Like so when mister King passed away and they and
Speaker 4: they had a new music teacher. The music teacher there
Speaker 4: was my original music teacher when I was in the seventh,
Speaker 4: eighth and ninth, sixth, seventh eighth grade. They brought her
Speaker 4: from Meredith. So I spent a lot of time of them.
Speaker 4: My son went to this school. So I'm sitting in there.
Speaker 4: I mean it looks like a college. And yeah, the
Speaker 4: fact that we fought the Columbians, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, we didn't really have our own space in
Speaker 3: certain classrooms.
Speaker 4: Hats in the ceiling, basketball on the roof with the
Speaker 4: gates trying to make sure you don't jump off that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very, very fucking frustrating.
Speaker 2: But I was about to say, like, the acoustics of
Speaker 2: that bath y'all used to that urine infested bathroom on
Speaker 2: the fourth floor, that's where y'are honed.
Speaker 7: That's a plug.
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel like it's not unless there's
Speaker 1: no year inside.
Speaker 8: Yes, you had to use dying for I'm like, how.
Speaker 12: Do y'all not expect this after the school has produced
Speaker 12: the roots Christian McBride boys and men, Like, isn't this
Speaker 12: the natural eleence that I'm.
Speaker 2: Glad that they had Enron, I'm glad they had a
Speaker 2: safe environment. But when I came, I went back. I
Speaker 2: went back there with Tariq a year and a half ago,
Speaker 2: and it was I was like, I could see my
Speaker 2: reflection on the floor.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: The only thing that makes me feel good about it
Speaker 4: was the fact that one day I went back and
Speaker 4: I was driving down the street and I say, you
Speaker 4: know what, I know how to get there, but I'm
Speaker 4: gonna use my navigation.
Speaker 3: So I put in my navigation, drove up to the
Speaker 3: corner and I'm just pausing. I'm waiting.
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, well, let me just get I
Speaker 4: want to get up to the corner and turn and
Speaker 4: see what my navigation says.
Speaker 3: When that navigates, you said, boys boulevard.
Speaker 4: Dude, Yes, now here's the thing. You know, people always
Speaker 4: get the little hey, what's boulevard? And this is uh,
Speaker 4: you know, everybody get the gradess name. But dude, when
Speaker 4: it showed up in the navigation, that that's official.
Speaker 1: Yeah, parkway is on there.
Speaker 3: Yes, what I was like, Wow, you know what else?
Speaker 9: Maybe?
Speaker 13: You know what else made took away that jealousy a
Speaker 13: little bit, Donnate, I ain't gonna lie. What took away
Speaker 13: that jealousy a little bit is when I heard the
Speaker 13: choir saying they did not sound as good or even.
Speaker 9: That choir man. We were smashing them son.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 12: My last question, which is who was the most famous
Speaker 12: graduate before the roots and Boyson men of Kappa like, we.
Speaker 3: Had some actors, honestly, and to be and to be existed.
Speaker 4: The school only existed I think six years before we
Speaker 4: got there. It was a brand new idea.
Speaker 8: Wow. The building.
Speaker 4: The reason why we were interjacked up building was because
Speaker 4: the original school was downtown and a building that was
Speaker 4: just an idea they were trying to school, and then
Speaker 4: it started to do well and they were like, yeah, streets,
Speaker 4: to move it to another place and we'll turn it
Speaker 4: into a school, and for now to just hang out
Speaker 4: with the Columbians.
Speaker 3: We did make the Plumbians famous, you know that.
Speaker 9: They haven't like.
Speaker 6: It's a country.
Speaker 8: Uh what's your name?
Speaker 9: Went there?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh remember not but her girlfriend that cousin, Pam, the
Speaker 1: one wanted to know not cousin, sirmon yeaes sir mean
Speaker 1: she she was.
Speaker 3: It was seemed more as an acting school before we
Speaker 3: got over.
Speaker 1: And what's his name?
Speaker 8: Who was saying? Uh?
Speaker 1: I said black?
Speaker 4: Get his name black?
Speaker 1: I was friends with spoonsy ray j.
Speaker 9: I say mine, yes, right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Heel not DeAndre No no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you're thinking husband.
Speaker 9: That's Roger.
Speaker 8: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, DeAndre with he's married to.
Speaker 7: Saturdays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh boy, all right, I want her after something
Speaker 1: because losing his patients.
Speaker 4: Actually I'm drunk now, I'm good.
Speaker 8: I got one.
Speaker 1: Nerds on the Yeah. Now this is music.
Speaker 10: Now, y'all boys done, y'all with the right ones. Drink
Speaker 10: all right, So all right, so so wyya. So I've
Speaker 10: always heard, like you know, a lot of vocal teachers
Speaker 10: and like vocal professors, they always say, well, you know,
Speaker 10: you shouldn't stretch your neck when you move or when
Speaker 10: you're sing, you shouldn't you know, move your net.
Speaker 1: But being a diciple.
Speaker 10: Listening, like you're the most like we know, the Yanye movement.
Speaker 10: So I want to know, was that something that you
Speaker 10: got kind of like bounced back from from vocal teachers
Speaker 10: or was that just something that you just did because
Speaker 10: you have the most distinctive like head and neck movements.
Speaker 13: It was Honestly, I never got any blowback from any
Speaker 13: of the any of the like the vocal coaches or teachers,
Speaker 13: because we didn't really have vocal coaches teachers, you know,
Speaker 13: like if we're.
Speaker 9: Saying choir, of course, I couldn't not even Dumpson you
Speaker 9: know what I'm saying. I would have uh you know
Speaker 9: what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't. I went I went to Dumpson fan because
Speaker 8: that's that's them.
Speaker 9: Dude, he ain't like me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They would I saw Dumpson in and Miss Davis at
Speaker 2: this Uh Miss Davis is still there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, one hundred years old. Yeah, one hundred years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still hanging on.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 9: Yeah here honestly is it's it's just a dynamic thing.
Speaker 13: I mean, of course I can do that without my neck,
Speaker 13: but I feel like it gives me a better, I guess,
Speaker 13: a better movement, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: You know, sometimes you see somebody playing the saxophone, and
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying. They're doing that because it
Speaker 9: gives them more.
Speaker 3: Of a you know what I mean, of of of
Speaker 3: a you get to sing it, but he wants to
Speaker 3: feel it when he sings it.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but how much your how much your vibrato comes
Speaker 14: from your neck versus like how much comes from your diaphragm? Well, no,
Speaker 14: I mean like like there's different comes from from this
Speaker 14: like within, yes, chesty, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 14: I kind of it depends on what I'm singing, because sometimes.
Speaker 13: I move it from my throat tom or I move
Speaker 13: from a diaphragm to my chest.
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: It depends on what I'm the tone that I'm trying
Speaker 13: to get out, you know what I mean a lot
Speaker 13: of times you guys hear the ending of a song,
Speaker 13: it takes it's more of a chesty head type, you
Speaker 13: know what I mean, dynamic because it's the power. You
Speaker 13: know what I'm saying. It's where you know, the power
Speaker 13: comes from. And if I got to hold the long note,
Speaker 13: that's when I switch it to my diaphragm.
Speaker 9: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But to you another one.
Speaker 4: This guy didn't learn how to sing false settle until
Speaker 4: almost four or five six years end of his.
Speaker 3: Voice I had, I had zero fallse setup.
Speaker 9: So I literally I literally started trying.
Speaker 13: I literally became like a student of my own voice,
Speaker 13: you know what I'm saying. So I know where certain
Speaker 13: pieces of my voice take me. I could sing it
Speaker 13: in many different ways, but I also know what the
Speaker 13: audience calls for.
Speaker 7: And my how do you find that? How do you
Speaker 7: find the right way to sing the right thing? What
Speaker 7: is its?
Speaker 13: Just like Nate said, I just sing. I literally just sing.
Speaker 13: I mean, I don't have to be doing shit. I'll
Speaker 13: be in the house and I hear like an acoustic
Speaker 13: and I'll just I'll sing and then I'll figure something out.
Speaker 13: And then once I figure it out, I'll practice that
Speaker 13: over and over again. Because I always believe that I
Speaker 13: can be better. I never feel like, you know, like
Speaker 13: people say, oh my god, you're the best. No, I'm
Speaker 13: striving to get better and better every day because if
Speaker 13: you're the best, you can't grow anymore, you know what
Speaker 13: I'm saying. So I want to be better and better
Speaker 13: with with whatever style I choose to sing, because I
Speaker 13: know that there's going to be multi fast, fastness of
Speaker 13: style styles.
Speaker 9: That I'm going to need to, you know what I mean,
Speaker 9: sing in order to be an artist.
Speaker 10: You know, is there a particular music just as as
Speaker 10: long as you guys have been doing and just as
Speaker 10: season of singers as you are, is there still a
Speaker 10: particular style of music that gives you more trouble than
Speaker 10: the other, like like jazz versus gospel versus classical, or
Speaker 10: you know, is there we are? What what's still a
Speaker 10: challenge to you?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 9: We we we we we are.
Speaker 13: Like I said, Uh, Sean to me is h he
Speaker 13: has a really good jazz ear. So when it comes
Speaker 13: to something like that, I always look to Sean to
Speaker 13: start it. Now, I know what it's supposed to sound like,
Speaker 13: but I know when Sean starts it, I know where's
Speaker 13: supposed to go. So once he starts it, I know
Speaker 13: where I fit in, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 13: there's no hiccup there.
Speaker 9: Same with Nate. Nate has a great jazz here.
Speaker 13: Nate's like his musical roundnesses is just like fucking crazy
Speaker 13: to me. But when he starts something, we all know
Speaker 13: exactly where it goes. So it can be a jazz
Speaker 13: song or it can be like like, uh, like Ribbon's
Speaker 13: in the Sky, you know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 13: That a cappella version that's jazzy and R and B is.
Speaker 13: It's a lot of different facets. So when it comes
Speaker 13: to oh yeah, I'm not sure if y'all heard that
Speaker 13: record record.
Speaker 9: When it comes when it comes to that, we all,
Speaker 9: I guess, give enough of a strength to not make
Speaker 9: it a hurdle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I understand there's no knowing you're comfort You're not in
Speaker 4: so much a comfort zone, but knowing we all know
Speaker 4: that when someone sings apart, we know if that's the
Speaker 4: part they should sing. Like there are times when we'll
Speaker 4: we'll sing something and we'll be like, nah, I think
Speaker 4: Sean should sing it because he's got a.
Speaker 3: Little bit more of this or whatever.
Speaker 4: And we know that you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 4: we we tend to know when to fall in or
Speaker 4: a guy somebody, perfect example, will come to the studio.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, well I want to want to say
Speaker 4: this and why Like no, what I think should probably
Speaker 4: do this part? Because we all know each other's voices,
Speaker 4: so whenever we hear anything that anybody brings.
Speaker 3: Us, we know who should sing what and where and
Speaker 3: where it should go.
Speaker 7: So what's technically what's the warm up game?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 7: Like how does how does that work?
Speaker 1: As in?
Speaker 14: Like I once talk to Christian McBride and he said
Speaker 14: that he he warmed up, he practiced for the ten
Speaker 14: to ten minutes before the gig and that was it.
Speaker 14: And I assume that with you guys, it's way different
Speaker 14: than that. Like I'm sure seth Riggs or that I
Speaker 14: don't know. I don't warm up at all.
Speaker 1: Love to you ya, wow, just walk in.
Speaker 8: I don't just when I wake up.
Speaker 9: When I wake up in the morning, I see when
Speaker 9: I wake up in the morning and I know I
Speaker 9: have a show.
Speaker 13: I sing the highest note that I'm going to sing
Speaker 13: on the show, and if it comes out clear, I
Speaker 13: know I'm good.
Speaker 3: You're good.
Speaker 8: And another that's.
Speaker 1: Those requirements like take the air conditioning off.
Speaker 9: I don't sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we don't like air conditions and all that and.
Speaker 6: The like.
Speaker 8: Okay, Wine likes it blazing.
Speaker 4: Hot and I like it more in the in the
Speaker 4: middle kind of we don't like it cold, but we
Speaker 4: don't like it steamy, like Wine are going to and
Speaker 4: turn the shower on and steam.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: But another reason why Vegas and Tampa just for the record, well, another.
Speaker 4: Reason why I like to practice because I never really
Speaker 4: know where I'm gonna end up depending on what we're
Speaker 4: singing and what we're doing.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know what parts I'm supposed to sing for each song,
Speaker 4: but I don't know what I'm gonna I don't know
Speaker 4: what I'm singing because I don't know where I'm gonna be.
Speaker 5: So this is kind of like open and believe it
Speaker 5: or not, Like sometimes that opens up for interesting things
Speaker 5: to come out of your group. Mm hm, it's kind
Speaker 5: of cool sometimes, like right now we're going through a
Speaker 5: seasons change in LA. So my voice is a little
Speaker 5: raspuler and if you're recording or if you're doing something,
Speaker 5: sometimes that sounds cool, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 5: forget that, Like our voices are instruments, and sometimes those
Speaker 5: little like those quirks, those idiosyncrasies vocally could bring out
Speaker 5: a texture that might resonate soulfully, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: because you might not feel as as clean or whatever,
Speaker 5: but it has such a rasp and a ruggedness to it.
Speaker 6: It makes you sing different, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's almost like a mayor when you play different drum skins,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, When you got like different snares, whatever.
Speaker 5: It has different resonances, different sounds and textures and feels
Speaker 5: when you strike it.
Speaker 6: It's the same thing vocally with us, Like, yeah, we
Speaker 6: want to sound good.
Speaker 5: All the time, but you know, when it comes to weather,
Speaker 5: when it comes to stuff like that, we just adapt
Speaker 5: to what our voices are doing at that moment and
Speaker 5: we just have that time.
Speaker 4: And I always wish I had more power in the
Speaker 4: tenor range, but I don't like I used to, you know,
Speaker 4: I used to sit back and listen to Sean and
Speaker 4: want to be like damn, I could sing it, but
Speaker 4: just can't.
Speaker 3: I can't. I don't have that light to it like
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 4: Have that that rip you know what I'm saying now
Speaker 4: above them, I do, but in that it's like I
Speaker 4: can sing it, but I just don't. I always wanted
Speaker 4: to be that have that tenor guy that just could
Speaker 4: just rip.
Speaker 8: I just I just don't. I don't have that in it.
Speaker 3: I don't have that.
Speaker 14: Away voices does age voices because I was I saw
Speaker 14: Billy Joel two years ago and he's playing things in
Speaker 14: C but it sounds and be flat, like it's a
Speaker 14: whole step down because his voice is down. Do you guys,
Speaker 14: You guys don't have that.
Speaker 3: Personally? Yeah, that's g I guess, because again I tend
Speaker 3: to be all over the place. I don't key.
Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter for the most part for me,
Speaker 4: Like you change your drop no, let me rephrase that.
Speaker 4: When you start to drop it lower, it affects me
Speaker 4: one because of my my, my pitch, my the perfect
Speaker 4: pitch thing. It irritates me because I know it's the
Speaker 4: wrong kid. So I struggle to sing it in a
Speaker 4: different kee.
Speaker 8: And Manuan used to fight a lot because he can't sing.
Speaker 4: I mean not that he can't, but because he sings
Speaker 4: so many of those songs like every song is like every.
Speaker 3: Song is way up in the stratosphere. Some of them
Speaker 3: we have to adjust, and I'll be like, dude, you
Speaker 3: really want to drop this, Dude, I can't, Like I
Speaker 3: can't do eight of them in a row. I'm like,
Speaker 3: we gotta fight with that.
Speaker 4: But I mean it can become a struggle when again,
Speaker 4: when you got that kind of fight with the way
Speaker 4: his voice is, when you got to dig into a
Speaker 4: song that way on every singles, I mean, if you
Speaker 4: did a thirty minute Boys to Men said.
Speaker 3: This, this clown sings into the role up there, I'll
Speaker 3: make love to you up there there.
Speaker 15: Ben died me up like everything he ends everything in
Speaker 15: the sky so on, and may be like, well, you know,
Speaker 15: it's just twenty minutes like Nigga's twenty minutes, twenty minutes,
Speaker 15: twenty different, oh, saying that sometimes these songs won't make it.
Speaker 9: Oh, and then I'll move down the.
Speaker 8: Like that.
Speaker 9: We have to do the hits, that's bottom line. We
Speaker 9: have to do the hits.
Speaker 13: But sometimes like there's some songs that aren't major hits
Speaker 13: that I'm like, Nigga like color Color, but the.
Speaker 1: Song right that that isn't rebody loves that record.
Speaker 3: Everybody loves singing that.
Speaker 1: We'll sing that.
Speaker 8: That's the only one we had.
Speaker 6: To sing every fucking day.
Speaker 11: Every day, stand and ring in any show.
Speaker 9: I was just do y'all do.
Speaker 3: I will tell you that's one that we definitely need
Speaker 3: our brother on. We need Mic on that record.
Speaker 1: What's the status of y'all in Mike?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 1: Things cool?
Speaker 8: Is not cool?
Speaker 1: Or you're speaking on it was?
Speaker 4: I think I think we as a group, us three
Speaker 4: are We're cool with where we are with Mike. We
Speaker 4: just don't know where we are with Mike.
Speaker 3: I'll leave it. I mean again, it's like we've.
Speaker 4: Gone through a lot and do some bad things, some
Speaker 4: good things. Is you know we love him, don't We
Speaker 4: don't hate him. We don't wish any ill feel anything
Speaker 4: about him.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately we tried to bring him back a couple
Speaker 3: of times, and you know, some of.
Speaker 4: Our milestones where it was the twentieth album or you know,
Speaker 4: twenty years or twenty five, and it just didn't work
Speaker 4: out because unfortunately a lot of people don't realize that
Speaker 4: Mike has been away from the group longer than he
Speaker 4: was in the group.
Speaker 3: Right Like he left in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4: We had that just started in ninety two, so bringing
Speaker 4: him back for the twentieth anniversary, in the twenty fifth anniversary,
Speaker 4: Mike McKinny is a different guy that we didn't grow
Speaker 4: up with from ninety nine to twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: He's just a different person. He's just been gone for
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 4: And at that time, we were all growing up families
Speaker 4: becoming men, like, oh, this is when we really started
Speaker 4: to learn different things about ourselves that we needed to
Speaker 4: grow up around each other so we could understand those
Speaker 4: different things about each other. But he was all the
Speaker 4: way over there, so.
Speaker 3: We don't even know. In some cases, honestly, it sounds
Speaker 3: sad to say it. We don't even know who he
Speaker 3: is right now.
Speaker 16: Who he is now, and honestly, we really know who
Speaker 16: he was back with that on top of Mike was
Speaker 16: Mike was always the.
Speaker 9: Other dude, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: Like if we got if we got freaking uh paffinders,
Speaker 13: Mike would get a rodeo if we got you know
Speaker 13: what I'm saying, ben'ses, Mike would get get a push
Speaker 13: if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: He just was always separate from us, like we would
Speaker 9: hang out and Mike would not be there. You know
Speaker 9: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He just came in to the school in the same
Speaker 4: year that I came in, and Mike had Mike had
Speaker 4: a pitch problem, and you know it kind of alienated
Speaker 4: him away from a lot of people in the choir
Speaker 4: in the school at that time, because Mike also had
Speaker 4: that attitude, well, I'm gonna do what I can and
Speaker 4: if you don't like it, fuck you. And that's kind
Speaker 4: of what this attitude. Well, he's like, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 4: try to sing it. If it don't get there, talk
Speaker 4: about me all you want, the hell with you? And
Speaker 4: if you talk about me too much, then we might
Speaker 4: have to have some physical altercation.
Speaker 3: And that's just who he was.
Speaker 9: I see that.
Speaker 11: What part of Philly was Mike from? What part of Philly?
Speaker 1: Is he from?
Speaker 8: Logan?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 1: Actually showing where were you from in Philly?
Speaker 6: Of the suburbs of southwest Philadelphia?
Speaker 11: What is that called up? What is he saying? I
Speaker 11: don't understand what is that?
Speaker 6: I don't ever any damn suburbs in the southwest Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: Belmart Terrace right down the stone from my park and
Speaker 6: Paul Brothers.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: That's that's where I come from.
Speaker 1: I know, I grew up in South thirty six ty,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up in Southwest like fifty eighth and
Speaker 4: fifty from Wooland Avenue like Greenway Avenue and then.
Speaker 1: Crest you know what Crush what?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, so I used to bag a crush son
Speaker 1: for real?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I used to get what?
Speaker 3: Man, help me with your bags? Messed?
Speaker 8: Well, how you get a quarner, nigga?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 8: Anyway, I grew up over there, and then when I
Speaker 8: started going to.
Speaker 3: Perfoman ours whatever, I moved into South Philly. So I
Speaker 3: grew up over there.
Speaker 8: But no, I'm com from.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, my street was all the street right
Speaker 3: in front of Crush.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know who that is. My grandmam lived around
Speaker 2: that way. So that's how I know. Thursday was just
Speaker 2: shopping for Grandma. I'm at Crest boy, Okay what now?
Speaker 1: Damn it?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 1: Do you guys do you guys ever get sentimental for
Speaker 1: Philly at all?
Speaker 3: And do you act on it?
Speaker 1: Okay? So a gps the fucking directions in the fucking.
Speaker 7: Street name yes, they get nostalgica.
Speaker 2: My ship's a little bit different, Like I will actually
Speaker 2: designate maybe every other month, I will.
Speaker 1: I will actually ride the L.
Speaker 2: I've done it before before every roots picnic, Like when
Speaker 2: rehearsals start, I'll designate about six hours to just sit
Speaker 2: on the L from sixty ninth Street all the way
Speaker 2: to the other end and full circle it just to.
Speaker 3: It didn't work, lashes.
Speaker 4: I was caught every time because it's all part of
Speaker 4: the outfit. So either way, it's nothing I could hide
Speaker 4: with unless I just put a hood over my head.
Speaker 4: This is to might think I'm crazy, right, But.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you guys, like, when's the last time
Speaker 2: that you really, like just like just I really went
Speaker 2: to landmarks of your life or like try to chase ghosts.
Speaker 2: I call it chasing ghosts.
Speaker 8: Where I did that last time?
Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of years ago, I took my kids
Speaker 5: to my actual block where I lived.
Speaker 6: Like, I took all my kids. My wife was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: we're gonna go to my neighborhood where I grew up.
Speaker 11: Like the whole ship was it like an episode of
Speaker 11: Black Were they scared?
Speaker 5: No, they were They were just kind of astounded because yeah,
Speaker 5: they kids, they callie kids.
Speaker 6: They survived, you know what I'm saying. So when when
Speaker 6: they actually got out the car and they saw.
Speaker 1: You got out the car, oh yeah, we got yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And and and.
Speaker 5: They saw rundowns, you know, houses and the street. It's
Speaker 5: all fucked up in the whole nine yards.
Speaker 6: And they was like, Daddy. My daughter was like, Daddy,
Speaker 6: which house was yours?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 6: And I said, well, that's my house right there, you know.
Speaker 6: I pointed out the house that's where I grew up.
Speaker 5: She's like, well, it's a really small house. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: a small house. Like five of us grew up in
Speaker 5: that house. So yeah, like you know, and I took
Speaker 5: him to get cheese, steaks and the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like that, we we got a dope city,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like this Brian me sometimes
Speaker 5: this got his moments. But ultimately, I tell you what,
Speaker 5: I go back there a lot.
Speaker 1: Did they ginger by your spot? That's what we wanted
Speaker 1: to get to?
Speaker 6: Southwest?
Speaker 11: Not southwest, it's gonna be last.
Speaker 6: No, it's still black.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no, Well I was in South Philly.
Speaker 3: My house at the time was probably like one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty grand like they done took the whole South
Speaker 3: Philly area.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I get a soft spot when I
Speaker 4: go back because like and I don't really you know,
Speaker 4: we talk about this kind of stuff. But last year
Speaker 4: Christmas Eve, I took my son and I took my
Speaker 4: best friend who passed away from COVID. He was in
Speaker 4: phil He's just living Philly. So I called him said, listen, dude,
Speaker 4: I need you to just go to Target. I just
Speaker 4: need you to buy every sock they got. I need
Speaker 4: you to buy every sleeping bag they got. I need
Speaker 4: you to buy every pair of gloves. And we just
Speaker 4: went out and gave out socks and sleeping bags and
Speaker 4: tents to homeless people because I know I used to
Speaker 4: pass them every day. You know what I'm saying when
Speaker 4: I went downtown. You know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 4: know that Philly has a big homeless problem. So I
Speaker 4: just got a real soft spot for homeless people. I mean,
Speaker 4: whether knowing what their story is or not, it just
Speaker 4: has always bothered me. So I like going back to
Speaker 4: Philly and just showing up and just giving people stuff.
Speaker 4: Like I passed a homeless guy and just give him
Speaker 4: a hundred bucks and just just so he can get
Speaker 4: the react. Just I don't even I don't even care
Speaker 4: what he does with it, because it's not has nothing
Speaker 4: to do with me. I just I just want I
Speaker 4: just want to feel the reaction that it means something
Speaker 4: to him, and hopefully he'll do the right thing. But
Speaker 4: growing up in that town, knowing where we all come
Speaker 4: from and not having nowhere near what we have now,
Speaker 4: to go back and to put smiles on people's faces
Speaker 4: like that and to try different things like that, that's
Speaker 4: what I get a soft spot for when.
Speaker 10: I love man, Do you think there's that kind of
Speaker 10: what got you into doing the rehabs and doing the
Speaker 10: housing like you're just showing it in.
Speaker 8: A little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm really My dad brought me up in my brothers
Speaker 4: and family on you know, always being able to do
Speaker 4: so much in hands, whether this is music or whatever.
Speaker 4: It happens great, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: a man has to be able to take care of himself.
Speaker 4: And the only thing he did his best two tools
Speaker 4: is his hands, so we were always taught to figure
Speaker 4: out something to do with them. So that was like
Speaker 4: a combination of the two. For me, knowing that I
Speaker 4: come from nothing and knowing that I have the ability
Speaker 4: not just with my hands, but a financially, I have
Speaker 4: the ability I didn't have before. So it was like
Speaker 4: bringing them all together. So that was we came up
Speaker 4: with an idea of for our charity called the Boys
Speaker 4: Cement House, And one of the biggest one of the
Speaker 4: ideas was to try the build. This is you know
Speaker 4: for COVID and all the creations, was to try to
Speaker 4: build these boys to mend houses in these urban communities
Speaker 4: where you know, kids, you know, after school programs, people
Speaker 4: can come, get on the computer, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 4: to where people would have the ability to enjoy, you know,
Speaker 4: the things that we couldn't enjoy when we were kids.
Speaker 4: So doing the stuff with my hands and building that's
Speaker 4: something that I've always loved to do and will always
Speaker 4: continue to do. And like I said that that that
Speaker 4: homeless thing is really is really really big for me
Speaker 4: because I always believe that there's stories and all people,
Speaker 4: and you know, we all pass most homeless people and
Speaker 4: be like, oh, yeah, well you know, he probably you know, drugs, it.
Speaker 4: We always assume that, but if we actually knew the
Speaker 4: story of each individual, I'm sure we always think different
Speaker 4: and the fact that we don't know them makes us
Speaker 4: all think of them the same way.
Speaker 3: And I think they get a bad rap on the time.
Speaker 12: Living in caliar change your life and changing about the
Speaker 12: homeless because it's no way.
Speaker 4: Well, I've I've been to skid roll there and I've
Speaker 4: taken stuff to them too, and I know that their
Speaker 4: homeless problem has gotten worse. I know that their homeless
Speaker 4: people are more aggressive than most. And again it's because
Speaker 4: it's the stories. I mean, you got to remember some
Speaker 4: of these people are belong there, that they just did
Speaker 4: wrong things or their drugging, and then some people might
Speaker 4: have been a day and a half from paying their
Speaker 4: mortgage and they lost everything. Or someone might have lost
Speaker 4: their job and their wife left them and there and
Speaker 4: their kid died from something like we don't know their.
Speaker 9: Story is crazy.
Speaker 8: So for anybody without.
Speaker 4: A doubt, it can drive you into so many different
Speaker 4: situations that we don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna end with this question. You guys are are
Speaker 2: beyond ubiquitous. Okay, You're You're like oxygen or water. So
Speaker 2: I'm certain that at some point certain things didn't impress you.
Speaker 2: But what what key figure individually? I'm asking this question,
Speaker 2: Who's Who's the person that you met that really was
Speaker 2: like an oh shit, this is really happening moment that
Speaker 2: really like heart palvitations or you know that you were
Speaker 2: impressed that you got to meet and and.
Speaker 1: Or work with or whatever.
Speaker 9: Prince.
Speaker 13: Really Yeah, for me, it was Prince because I mean
Speaker 13: I just you know, he's a mysterious dude, you know
Speaker 13: what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: You know, so not too many people, you know, don't
Speaker 9: really know too much about him, not too many people
Speaker 9: around him, you know what I'm saying. And it was
Speaker 9: always like, you know, you always wonder.
Speaker 13: So after Purple Rain, you know, I was really really
Speaker 13: into that, that whole Purple Rain thing, and you know,
Speaker 13: when we actually were invited to his house, I mean,
Speaker 13: to his studio, yeah, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 13: literally I didn't really like let the fellas know too much,
Speaker 13: but I was like in awe, like.
Speaker 9: Wow, this dude is really Prince, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: It's really.
Speaker 1: Seem I know, I feel I met Michael Jackson.
Speaker 13: Michael as cool as hell, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: But Michael is is not as mysterious, you know what
Speaker 13: I'm saying. You know, Yeah, I'm just talking about like
Speaker 13: when I met him. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: He was really a cool dude, and so was Prince.
Speaker 13: But it was almost like when I'm when we met him,
Speaker 13: I almost felt like I wasn't supposed.
Speaker 3: To be meeting him.
Speaker 9: You feel what I'm saying? Man, Like, am I really
Speaker 9: like this is?
Speaker 8: This is Prince?
Speaker 13: But I was keeping it cool. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: I wouldn't be like good Prince, but I was just
Speaker 13: like yo. And then you know, they turned. It was
Speaker 13: a lot of stories. It turned into a lot of
Speaker 13: real funny stories as time progress, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: But I swear it was. That was one of the
Speaker 9: moments where I was like, oh ship, you know what
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 13: And I've met almost everybody I've wanted to meet, you
Speaker 13: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, have you ever heard of his demo
Speaker 2: for seven, which is based on the Simple remix?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: You never heard the p.
Speaker 4: I'm a Prince collegist, I you know, I mean whatever, Okay,
Speaker 4: shop pause that hold that thought because Prince College.
Speaker 8: And I'm gonna see if you get this real quick.
Speaker 4: This is a little trivia trivia The two albums. It's
Speaker 4: a song, very very big song for us. Yeah, I know, yes,
Speaker 4: the harmony behind uh uh, thank.
Speaker 1: You you alogists also boys the men. I was just so,
Speaker 1: what was it stolen from? What was it stolen from?
Speaker 1: Seven watched them?
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I got the background harmonies between behind One's League.
Speaker 2: It's probably one of Princess great Yes. When I heard that,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I would have done the same
Speaker 2: thing too, because as nice little pockets of harmony that
Speaker 2: you could pay.
Speaker 4: Just hoping he ain't get us for it, dude, because
Speaker 4: I was like, I think we should maybe we shouldn't.
Speaker 3: It's too late. No, No, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He probably liked it.
Speaker 6: He borrowed, but he did.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the the Tevin Campbell uh demo for the p which, okay,
Speaker 2: I more more than classic print songs. I'm really a
Speaker 2: friend of like his worst songs, and this is his
Speaker 2: second worst song ever.
Speaker 1: Worse than Illusion coma Pimp.
Speaker 2: Well, no, absolute worst song is actually a song called
Speaker 2: Work that Fatal.
Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah, wow his uh actually you know what
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I still think that that track that Tevin did, that track,
Speaker 2: but yes, he the there's a there's a four bar
Speaker 2: drum break at the very end of the simple remix
Speaker 2: that he used as the basis of of that song,
Speaker 2: and always I love that remix too.
Speaker 1: I bought that a single as a kid, the single remix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that record, man. Yeah, all all right, So
Speaker 1: who's your person, Sean?
Speaker 9: Uh, it would have to be.
Speaker 6: Like he's the reason why I even seen like you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, Like just his whole vocal. I
Speaker 6: was always in love with his.
Speaker 9: Vibroada.
Speaker 5: And you know, quite naturally, when you copy somebody or
Speaker 5: when you you you listen to somebody every day, you
Speaker 5: can't help but the copy, you know, some vocally. So
Speaker 5: sometimes I'll hit something that might sound like Mike and
Speaker 5: and and it's not by design, It's just it just
Speaker 5: comes out, you know what I'm saying. And you know,
Speaker 5: to to know that Mike was the type of dude
Speaker 5: that when we did see him, he would ask how
Speaker 5: our family?
Speaker 6: How you doing?
Speaker 7: Like you know, it was normal, like to to have these.
Speaker 6: Conversations with a guy who is the greatest entertainer the
Speaker 6: world has ever seen, and to actually we worked with
Speaker 6: him intimately, you know, Uh, was I did the one more?
Speaker 6: Can I give things?
Speaker 5: You know when not Levin did, and for him to
Speaker 5: personally invite me and come to the studio before even
Speaker 5: you know, did the song. We're just chopping it up
Speaker 5: about stuff and then he goes in tells me what
Speaker 5: I need to sing blah blah blah blah and do it.
Speaker 5: Like in my wildest dreams, I would have never thought
Speaker 5: having a relationship.
Speaker 6: Like this wasn't just like people like we were.
Speaker 5: We were cool with the with the man, and he
Speaker 5: understood us and we understood him, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: and and that was the cool thing about that.
Speaker 1: So I was actually I'm glad you mentioned that.
Speaker 2: The one question we never asked Jimmy jam was the
Speaker 2: making of the title track for Were you guys there
Speaker 2: for the creation of it or were you just brought
Speaker 2: in at the end to sing your parts on the
Speaker 2: title track of History because.
Speaker 12: We sang it.
Speaker 6: We said he wasn't there, but we sang it and.
Speaker 9: Was my dad?
Speaker 6: Remember he was there?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: When we actually sang the record.
Speaker 9: Though, was when we sang the harmonies to History. Mike
Speaker 9: was in the studio.
Speaker 13: He came in and we talked for like three hours
Speaker 13: before we actually said, Wow.
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to because that song is so intricate
Speaker 2: and you know, made in ninety five before like Ableton,
Speaker 2: and like the type of demands that he had to
Speaker 2: create that song really wasn't common, right, you know, so
Speaker 2: you know awful.
Speaker 1: I didn't ask it.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask Jimmy jam on air, but I asked, like,
Speaker 2: what was your like the Nightmare project that and he said,
Speaker 2: oh no, without a doubt history because he kept we
Speaker 2: were present something. He's like, all right, push it more,
Speaker 2: push it more, push it more, you know, Ethison, and
Speaker 2: it goes all over the place. I wanted to know,
Speaker 2: were you guys there for the stacking of.
Speaker 1: That like we did our partner.
Speaker 8: Then they took it and kind of ran okay.
Speaker 9: I see.
Speaker 6: Too, because he compressed us and squished us all the
Speaker 6: way down barely.
Speaker 1: I as you guys singing on it. So Sean, I
Speaker 1: was asked, you man, you're so.
Speaker 10: I didn't know until like a couple of years ago
Speaker 10: that Anthony David is your cousin. Yeah, yeah, and big
Speaker 10: old Anthony days my brother man. And he told me
Speaker 10: when y'all did the record. Y'all covered Tears for Fears
Speaker 10: Everybody Wants through the World on his album as well.
Speaker 10: So I'm for twenty eleven and he was telling me
Speaker 10: just about tracking that and I said, so, man, so
Speaker 10: what was it like like Sean and the studio? He
Speaker 10: was like, dude, SHAWNA is just one take. He's like
Speaker 10: he's singing all these harmonies, like he's finding notes in
Speaker 10: between the notes. Like he just had just nothing but positivity,
Speaker 10: like to say about your man.
Speaker 6: So I did not realize he could even sing.
Speaker 1: Really aw him.
Speaker 5: We were all coming out of Madison Square Garden in
Speaker 5: New York and we were in the ND. I read
Speaker 5: and and he was with her, and I was like,
Speaker 5: what's up, cousin. I was like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 9: And he was he was like singing.
Speaker 5: I was like you what you know what I'm saying, like, nigga,
Speaker 5: I don't know you could sing like I had, Like
Speaker 5: he never because he would come to Philly for the
Speaker 5: summer sometime we would hang out and you know that
Speaker 5: whole thing.
Speaker 6: So he never once told me that he had them,
Speaker 6: you know, he could sing or write or anything like that.
Speaker 5: So when I first saw him on you know then
Speaker 5: and then I saw him on TV and now he
Speaker 5: got his album, and I was like, I'm ship.
Speaker 6: So it's like, you know, and what's funny is is
Speaker 6: uh Chinye my second cousin tiny?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: So your people's Atlanta?
Speaker 6: Wow, yeah, I got, I got.
Speaker 5: I got a lot of family in Savannah, where my
Speaker 5: mother and my father's from. So I got a lot
Speaker 5: of people in Savama, so you know, yeah, like it's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, like I got a lot of family members
Speaker 5: that you know. I found out that one of the
Speaker 5: guys from remember the song, uh, some things going on.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, two damns, man, something's going on, and they had.
Speaker 6: And then it was restaurant.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is like a second cousin of mine too. So
Speaker 5: it's like I'm just kind of like it's I got
Speaker 5: a music Wow, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts were talking about groups?
Speaker 10: What was your thoughts on okay, two questions, what were
Speaker 10: your thoughts on fifteen minutes by Mark Morrison?
Speaker 1: And what were your thoughts on Nelson? But no, I
Speaker 1: said not more that's the turn of the mac which
Speaker 1: is one of the green songs up.
Speaker 10: But but Mark Nelson fifteen minutes, fifteen minutes as yet,
Speaker 10: we used.
Speaker 6: To we used to clown Mark with that fifteen minutes story.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you that as yet story for me.
Speaker 7: I am, let's go.
Speaker 3: I remember verbatim. I was sitting at the crib.
Speaker 4: I was watching uh b E t H and I
Speaker 4: was this commercial came on, so I got up, walked
Speaker 4: in the kitchen getting something to drink.
Speaker 8: Came A song came.
Speaker 3: Video came on and I heard. I heard the first verse.
Speaker 1: And we ha love of it.
Speaker 3: And then I heard uh drag yeo and I was like,
Speaker 3: hold up. I kept listening and I'm like, oh, somebody
Speaker 3: is trying to steal our ship. Who the fuck is this?
Speaker 4: So I ran into the room and I looked at
Speaker 4: the TV and I'm like, who the fuck is this
Speaker 4: yellow nigga?
Speaker 3: Who's this?
Speaker 9: This is this other but curly motherfucker.
Speaker 8: Then I saw Mark.
Speaker 3: I was like, this motherfucker. He went and did.
Speaker 4: Another Boys to Men and didn't fuck eat. He's trying
Speaker 4: to get us. He's trying to get us.
Speaker 8: I can't remember. I don't know if it's wine or show.
Speaker 8: I called somebody.
Speaker 4: I called. I said, yo, Mark is trying to do
Speaker 4: it to us because he got a group and they're
Speaker 4: singing our ship.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I said, dude. Now mind you.
Speaker 4: I ain't heard nobody that close ever, so I knew
Speaker 4: it had to be somebody in the nucleus to know
Speaker 4: how we did stuff. So I'm like, the way the
Speaker 4: background harmonies was moving.
Speaker 8: I was like, somebody it was.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 1: It was the greatest baby face to you.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 3: I lost it, I really and I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: they're trying to do They're trying to get us.
Speaker 4: I was somebody because he kept playing and it sounds
Speaker 4: incredible like that, by far was one of the baddest
Speaker 4: songs I had heard, and the and that like that
Speaker 4: was one of the baddest songs of the nineties.
Speaker 8: That song was nuts.
Speaker 4: The fact that they had different guys singing different parts.
Speaker 4: They had to face guy, they had to hide guy,
Speaker 4: they had to falls up, they had the guy with
Speaker 4: the flips and the man. I'm telling you, they were
Speaker 4: the close. That song right there was the closest song
Speaker 4: I've ever heard any group on the planet sing to
Speaker 4: what we do?
Speaker 9: All right?
Speaker 1: Can I add? Can I add an unpopular take? Because
Speaker 1: I have a theory.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, and if you verified or if you choose
Speaker 2: to verify it or not verify it, it's okay.
Speaker 9: But I have a.
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing I always wanted to know.
Speaker 2: That, why did Face's rain of hits just abruptly stop
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, coincidentally the same time that
Speaker 2: the members of as Yet left the Fold, or at
Speaker 2: least under A left uh for managing the Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, were they his ghost writers?
Speaker 8: Well, I will tell you this.
Speaker 3: You didn't know that Mark did some writing with Face.
Speaker 8: I do know that now.
Speaker 3: What songs they were good?
Speaker 1: Noight, no, this question.
Speaker 3: I have had him and I have had that conversation,
Speaker 3: and I know he's done some writing.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what. We never got into
Speaker 4: what songs. But Mark came to them as a writer,
Speaker 4: not a singer.
Speaker 1: Right, he was under yap and under his wife's thing.
Speaker 4: Then he got yeah he got he got put into
Speaker 4: as Yet. That wasn't his his get up.
Speaker 11: I know where does he live now?
Speaker 8: He's he's actually back in New York.
Speaker 3: And I just talked to him two days ago.
Speaker 11: Okay, I just meant like, what kind of houses you
Speaker 11: living in?
Speaker 9: Trump Tower?
Speaker 8: That's no, no, no, he's not he's not not not
Speaker 8: not quite that now.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask me. He faced that question when
Speaker 2: he did the show. But you know, we had such
Speaker 2: a good vibe. I didn't want to be like, I
Speaker 2: tell you, I'll tell you this dude.
Speaker 4: He's the one thing with face man and I tell
Speaker 4: you and and I'm sure the guys can vouch man.
Speaker 4: One thing that though we wrote, we though we wrote
Speaker 4: pretty good songs, we learned how to critique our own.
Speaker 3: Ability to write songs by writing with this guy. Meaning
Speaker 3: you would hear him. He would write a song, he
Speaker 3: would write a lyric or verse, and he would sing
Speaker 3: it over.
Speaker 4: He would play it over and over again, and he
Speaker 4: take out a word, he put another word in, He
Speaker 4: take out another word, put another word in. Now, if
Speaker 4: all of us were listening, we'd be like, it flows
Speaker 4: just fine. His theory, and it's really interesting theory.
Speaker 3: His theory is.
Speaker 4: The song will never be done and till you stop,
Speaker 4: because if you don't stop, if you're a good enough songwriter,
Speaker 4: you'll always find a better.
Speaker 1: Way to turn a way to make it better.
Speaker 4: So eventually, it's not about how good you are as
Speaker 4: a songwriter. It's when you know and have the ability.
Speaker 3: To stop, right because otherwise you just sit there. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. He was, No, that's not and
Speaker 3: somebody like him, Like we learned how to.
Speaker 4: Put certain notes on certain words because people would hear
Speaker 4: it's a it's a it's let's just say it was
Speaker 4: a major third chord that hit the home run of
Speaker 4: a song, like what's the song saying cash?
Speaker 3: So I'm drinking and.
Speaker 9: Will be there?
Speaker 4: Like the way he puts certain words that lands on
Speaker 4: certain chords there for you to remember those words.
Speaker 3: You ever notice when we think a song, we may
Speaker 3: not always know the song. We'll go no no no, no,
Speaker 3: no no no. And I love you because I love
Speaker 3: you are the notes that he put there on purpose
Speaker 3: that you he knew you were going to remember that part.
Speaker 3: That's how he writes records, which is extremely interesting.
Speaker 4: I never knew that before we sat with him, And
Speaker 4: you don't really know unless you have the conversation.
Speaker 6: About the funny thing about us the songwriter.
Speaker 5: Think the funny thing about songwriters now too, in comparison
Speaker 5: the songs that are out now that I listen to
Speaker 5: the R and B songs.
Speaker 6: To be specific, they were there. They're written a lot
Speaker 6: like how.
Speaker 5: We used to write our songs previous, Like you know,
Speaker 5: there were songs that we would write and we would
Speaker 5: let baby face there, for example.
Speaker 6: And he also would say, you.
Speaker 5: Know, say less, thanks, you know, like with everything that
Speaker 5: you're saying, you know, we would try to fit in
Speaker 5: a sentiment I love you and everything and if we're
Speaker 5: growing together and blah blah blah blah blah blah and
Speaker 5: all other stuff, and he would basically say say less,
Speaker 5: like yeah, sometimes that's it. You don't need to say
Speaker 5: anything else. And and and I've noticed that a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of songs now with R and B Records,
Speaker 5: And I got a sixteen year old son, and he
Speaker 5: can't even follow a lot of the lyrics that go
Speaker 5: on with our artists because there's so much being said that.
Speaker 1: They're almost trying to be rappers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: It's almost like in the real rap I mean you
Speaker 10: kind of I mean, if we're gonna keep it all
Speaker 10: the way funky, we kind of got to me.
Speaker 1: I think we kind of got boned to blame for that.
Speaker 1: Like me, you would talk, you know, but.
Speaker 4: We were taught in songwriting that you have to understand
Speaker 4: that the average audience of who you're writing for, you
Speaker 4: gotta look at them as happen in seventh grade education,
Speaker 4: it can't give them too much.
Speaker 3: You gotta get right to the point so they'll never
Speaker 3: forget it.
Speaker 10: Said the same thing we had him, and he was
Speaker 10: saying he was like all that Parliament. He said, Man,
Speaker 10: I was just trying to write nursery rhymes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's what it was.
Speaker 4: Ship Face just has you tell you it's deeper than
Speaker 4: his songwriting, dude, it's his freaking melodies. His melodies are
Speaker 4: things that just they just live inside you.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: They're like to answer your question because I know you
Speaker 4: asked this question about the this could be the last question.
Speaker 7: It went more.
Speaker 4: For I never really had a person that I met
Speaker 4: in the business that I felt that way about that.
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: They kind of lit me up because my favorite, my
Speaker 4: favorite person that passed away already was was Sam Cook.
Speaker 4: I was a big Sam Cook soul stirs fan, Highway
Speaker 4: q ses like all that. I grew up on that,
Speaker 4: you know, Southern gospel stuff and San.
Speaker 8: Guys. I'm in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeah No, I figured at least Bobby Woman could feel
Speaker 2: that voice exactly.
Speaker 8: So I grew up with all that.
Speaker 4: But I will tell you that Face for me on
Speaker 4: the songwriting aspect was the only person because I mean,
Speaker 4: I love Jimmy's Jam and Terry Lewis because of it
Speaker 4: feels and the things that they did. But I always
Speaker 4: wanted to know how this guy was able to write
Speaker 4: the song where the Again, it's always intriguing to me
Speaker 4: how he puts the right notes on the right words
Speaker 4: right lyric means everything to a song. Dude, I don't
Speaker 4: care what your people used to say, Well, here I
Speaker 4: got a poem. Can you make this into a song?
Speaker 4: It's not that simple. Unless you know how to physically
Speaker 4: put the right words on to the right note that
Speaker 4: people remember, it's not going to have the significance. He
Speaker 4: is a genius at figuring out the best way to
Speaker 4: do that to where if you don't know the words,
Speaker 4: you just hum the melody and then maybe three words
Speaker 4: you know, And it's on those notes that he.
Speaker 3: Made sure he put there on purpose.
Speaker 4: That that's the guy that if you ask me in
Speaker 4: my career, that I kind of was being around him
Speaker 4: and working with him, that that was all struck for me.
Speaker 10: Face was like that for me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 10: just as a as a you know, songwriter, like I
Speaker 10: would study him and Face and he was kind of
Speaker 10: like him and Stevie were my two. Like when you
Speaker 10: talk about like putting you know the power of this melody.
Speaker 10: Stevie was just someone who his melodies would be like
Speaker 10: very simple and you could just sing it. But the
Speaker 10: ship he playing under that ship, nigga, you know what
Speaker 10: I mean? Like you know, piano players.
Speaker 1: Could never agree. It's like, well, I know, I think
Speaker 1: this is an F thirteen.
Speaker 4: Don't know.
Speaker 8: You can't see the ship.
Speaker 1: Right, you don't know. He just feels just feel.
Speaker 8: Well paid. Bill.
Speaker 2: I think this episode officially tops the Huey Lewis episode
Speaker 2: as the most educational.
Speaker 1: Wow education. This is high level game right here. Bro,
Speaker 1: This like you know, talking to I did more listening.
Speaker 14: Man should teach choral music at at the universities because
Speaker 14: clearly they be real.
Speaker 7: I'm like I would take that class.
Speaker 8: I mean just guess I.
Speaker 7: Put some I got wine.
Speaker 9: So the man, Thank you, Bro, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: Thank you for always being real.
Speaker 13: Always thank you the same every time we see you, Man,
Speaker 13: it's always the same.
Speaker 9: It's like we left off.
Speaker 12: Man.
Speaker 9: You know you're a real brother. You really really loved
Speaker 9: over here, man, and anytime you need us, you know what.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you I don't do much ship in
Speaker 4: Corona without getting paid nigga.
Speaker 12: So you you.
Speaker 6: Mos, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 9: Like, this is all.
Speaker 8: This is all kappa.
Speaker 1: My guys love we love we love that or I
Speaker 1: appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I love you guys. This is much man all right, well, guys,
Speaker 2: thank you this. I'm not blowing smoke. I this is
Speaker 2: this is this should have been a master number two niggas.
Speaker 2: Man boy, this should have been a masterclass. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 1: I appreciate this. On behalf man for real. Thank y'all,
Speaker 1: Thank y'all for real.
Speaker 10: Y'all made every slow jam tape I ever made for
Speaker 10: a girl from like seven when when y'all made.
Speaker 6: Was having.
Speaker 8: Just wait, wait, don't you call them butt tape. Let's
Speaker 8: be let's be real.
Speaker 3: My crew will tell you we used to call you
Speaker 3: with a butt tape because.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, okay, I promise you this is the last question.
Speaker 2: This is the last question because you guys have kids now,
Speaker 2: watching your kids and seeing how gen Z is, do
Speaker 2: you have hope musical hope for the future. And I'm
Speaker 2: not and I'm not you know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: make this at like from the old guy.
Speaker 4: I'm what you does, and I'll speak because I guess
Speaker 4: my son that's involved in music right now is the oldest.
Speaker 4: I do have a little hope he grew up with us.
Speaker 4: He understands it, he shares it with his friends. He
Speaker 4: can see the difference now. I was always concerned that
Speaker 4: most kids nowadays can't see the difference. I was also
Speaker 4: concerned that we would turn into our grandparents or our
Speaker 4: father's like, oh, well, we don't like that, But there
Speaker 4: really is something to the music that we've done. Because
Speaker 4: if you notice the nineties and everything is starting to
Speaker 4: come back around because a lot of these kids just
Speaker 4: weren't exposed to it. I think the exposure is more
Speaker 4: important than anything. They will make the right decisions, but
Speaker 4: they have to be exposed.
Speaker 10: I saw that, and to your point, and they I
Speaker 10: saw that a couple of years ago when they had
Speaker 10: it was it was a social media thing where they
Speaker 10: had My the Running Man Challenge or whatever, but everybody
Speaker 10: was dancing to my Boo by ghost Town DJs, and
Speaker 10: I saw like a bunch of kids, It's like, oh,
Speaker 10: what is this song? And like that was one of
Speaker 10: the first times I saw a song from like ninety six.
Speaker 10: That song is from ninety six. That shit reentered.
Speaker 1: It went like number one again after like however, like
Speaker 1: twenty plus.
Speaker 8: They just got to be exposed.
Speaker 1: Man, it's got to be exposed. It's happened to Fleetwood
Speaker 1: Mac right now, yeah, exactly?
Speaker 4: Is that now?
Speaker 2: The top five songs in twenty twenty one built like
Speaker 2: crazy craz telling you man the melodies.
Speaker 8: Man, it's happened.
Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, I thank you very much from the bottom
Speaker 1: of my heart.
Speaker 3: For doing it.
Speaker 10: Thank y'all, brothers, man, for real, this is gon amazing
Speaker 10: your town. Oh man, Like, just thank y'all for everything.
Speaker 10: Thank you for the music for real.
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