1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,040 Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. 2 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 2: It's Quest Love and please make sure that you're up 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: to date on my podcast, The Quest Love Show. However, 4 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: it's Quest Love Supreme for life. Back in late twenty twenty, 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: in the thick of the pandemic, QLs had my guys 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: one Boys to Men for a two part podcast discussion. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: It's damn near three hours of conversation when we get 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: real and all the stories behind this incredible record breaking group. 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: So join me Fon, tigelow Laiya, Unpaid Bill and Sugar 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Steve for this amazing touchstone interview with a lot of humor, 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: candor and realness. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Thank you to Nate, Sean and Wanye. 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 2: Shout out to you to Mike and Mark, You're all 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: Boys to Men to me, you guys humbled me and 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: also gave one incredible conversation at a time when we 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: needed it. So here's Part two of Boys to Men 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: on Quest Love Supreme. Quest Love Supreme is a production 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to part two of 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: our talk with Boys to Men. I gotta say we 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: were having. 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: So much fun. I didn't even know it was going 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: to be this much fun. 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: Normally we could wrap up a Quest Love Supreme episode 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: and just you know, like shy of it, north of 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: an hour and I don't know the time, just kept 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: going on and next thing you know is two episodes worth. 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: So I haven't had this extensive of a talk with 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: them since our days in high school. So it's really 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: good to catch up with the guys. I hope you're 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: enjoying it. Without further ado, Part two of our conversation 31 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: Quest Love Supreme. 32 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: And Boys to Men. 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Of the projects you worked on, what's your favorite? What 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: is your favorite one? What do you feel about from 35 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: artistic achievement? What do you feel like this is? This 36 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: is my legacy. 37 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 4: Well, I won't say project per se, but I would 38 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: say one of my biggest enjoyments at this stage and 39 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 4: age in my career and where we are is when 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: we do our orchestra concerts. We do a concert with 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: just us us three vocally and you know, whatever orchestral 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 4: we're around, whether it's in New York Symphonic orchestral, whether 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: with La and the Hollywood Bowl, and we do all 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 4: of our records and it's all stripped down to just 45 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 4: strings and brass and drums, nothing electronic at all and 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 4: it's just. 47 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: It's an atmosphere. 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: It's an atmosphere that because you've been involved in the 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: business the way we have so long. You go on tour, 50 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 4: you got the samples in the backgrounds and you sing 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 4: over here and the drums and the guitars, electric everything. 52 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 4: When they strip all that out, it takes you back 53 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 4: to the high school performing arts. It's almost like everybody, 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 4: it's the door just opens. It's a brand new, you know, 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: fresh air to where the vocals have room to breathe, 56 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 4: like you live in a whole different space. You're not 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: fighting against the electronic keyboard or somebody's base being too loud. 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 4: You know, you just get to flow over the strings 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 4: and the harps and the whole nine. And for me, 60 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: whenever we do all the stuff that we do with 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 4: everything jumping around or whatever, whenever they say there's an 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: orchestra concert, it's just a sigh of relax and relief 63 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 4: to where it's like, thank you Jesus, now let's just 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: go and sing our songs. 65 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 3: And that's just the best. 66 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you one thing I'm here, the thing 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 5: that i've I've our goal, or rather, the thing I'm 68 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 5: most proud of is something we haven't done yet, and 69 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 5: I hope we do it because we've had this conversation before, 70 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 5: and that's to do an acoustics show, like you know, 71 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 5: the guy you know, we've all learned how to play 72 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 5: guitars and you. 73 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying. 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: You know that's I totally forgot. 75 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know, we talked. 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 6: About this as far as actually doing like, you know, 77 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 6: a set or unplugged type of show. 78 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Well, how long have you guys been doing that format 79 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: for our listeners? 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 8: Don't know? 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the last time I seen you guys before him, 82 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: it was you three with your guitars, which I didn't know. 83 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 8: Me, No, we didn't know. 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, Nate, Nate plays bass and I played guitar, and 85 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 6: and uh we started playing around. 86 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 8: Uh what is it? 87 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 5: I was forty three, so that was five years ago. 88 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 5: So that was in twenty fourteen, fifteen something like that, 89 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 5: and we just started to play. We just felt like 90 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 5: it was an idea. It was around the time we 91 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 5: did this. 92 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 8: Album called Collide, Yeah, exactly. 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: One of the guys was like that was working with us, 94 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 5: was like, yo, you guys know how to play guitars, 95 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 5: And it was like I guess we should. So, you know, 96 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 5: Nate and I went to Tower in Vegas and I 97 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 5: picked up a you know, a modern size strap, and 98 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 5: he picked up a bass. And I've been playing ever since, 99 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 5: and Nate's been playing ever since. And it's broad in 100 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 5: the show to the point now where we've added guitar 101 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 5: parts to the show and and you know, acoustic and electric, 102 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 5: and this is something that has opened all of our 103 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 5: to the possibilities of us taking our music to even 104 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 5: another stage and you know, potentially just doing an all 105 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 5: unplugged type of thing because we did it like you 106 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 5: just like you said the last time you saw us, 107 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: we were doing Come Together, you know what I'm saying, 108 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 5: Like you know, and and water runs dry and I'll 109 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 5: make love to you all acoustical that it was incredible. 110 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 9: I loved it. 111 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 8: You got you gotta do that out there. 112 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: I was going to say where y'all got there? 113 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 10: Of course, really right, I wanted to not invited, man, Yeah, 114 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 10: I wanted to jump back on y'all on your production 115 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 10: for a little while you were speaking, Nick, you were 116 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 10: saying earlier just about how you know the records that 117 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 10: you guys did and versus the records that you know that. 118 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: You know that I'll make love to use in the 119 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: end of the roads. 120 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 10: I always thought, just as a fan of you guys, 121 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 10: whenever people would make the argument of like, you know, 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 10: the boys Men versus Jodasy argument like what Jodasy was 123 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 10: more this, but boys Men was kind of clean cut. 124 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 10: I will always go to y'all production and I would 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 10: say like, nah, this is what they really own. So 126 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,559 Speaker 10: like Nate, you did a record, the Johnny Guil record, 127 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 10: I Got you. 128 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: And think of you case. 129 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 10: And when y'all did the one twelve now that we're 130 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 10: done like the off the stuff like that, to me, 131 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 10: I was like, nah, this is what these niggas is 132 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 10: really on. 133 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 9: You know what I mean? 134 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: So well, you know, we were always wanted to get 135 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 3: you know about it was. 136 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: The jo Tosy boys of Men thing, Like was that 137 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: a thing? Were you black versus it was? 138 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 4: It was real, but not created by us. It was 139 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 4: real because we were already good friends. We freaking love 140 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 4: like Jodsy is just like I mean, it's ying and Yang. 141 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 4: There would be no Jodasy with our boys to mend 142 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: and vice versa. And we every time we would see 143 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: him on the road, we try to catch up with him. 144 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 8: I mean, we love those dudes. 145 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: I mean the audience has made it more of the oppetition, 146 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: and it was it was more friendly for us. 147 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: But I mean there there are different identities. 148 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 4: I mean, you know Jodashy, you know they have the 149 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: two singers and they had the producer, and you know, 150 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: we had the four singers and the three producers. I 151 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: mean we kind of did a little bit of everything, 152 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: so everybody had their own little genre, but producing and 153 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: writing with something again that we really enjoyed because we're 154 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 4: the type of guys that you know, being being emotional. 155 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: We like to sing what we write, you know what 156 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: I'm saying. 157 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: And when we got a chance to get with Face 158 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: and Jimmy and Terry and out, I'm like, all the 159 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: lessons we could possibly learn from those guys, we tried 160 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: to roll over into the stuff that we did. But 161 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: for as far as like I said, we we wrote. 162 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: The first song I ever wrote in my life was 163 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: please don't Know. 164 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: I think I was fourteen fifteen years old, so. 165 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: Well that's years of getting stomped on. 166 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: Like you know, like we talked about, the nobody really 167 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: checked for us. But my point being, we all come 168 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: from that. 169 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: All four of us came from writing words down and 170 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: creating songs and singing them. 171 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: That's how our whole career jumped off. 172 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 8: So as it went in, you know those. 173 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 4: Songs you talk about now that we're done, all those 174 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: other songs, and that was the stuff that we just 175 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: naturally did because that was that's part of who we were. 176 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: It just may out have always gotten on the Boys 177 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: to Men albums because I lost many produced songs. 178 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 10: Man, Yeah, I love Sean like even like your shn 179 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 10: just soundtrack stuff. And I told you this before in 180 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 10: presompation like the Visions of the Sunset and like the 181 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 10: record you did. 182 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 8: Months Man, I love that round. 183 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 3: Real quick. 184 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 8: I want to cut you off. 185 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: But the time I heard that song, when when I 186 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 4: heard because I know he played keys on it, When 187 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: I first heard that, dude, I had a tear in 188 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: my eye. That's my that's my brother. I had a 189 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: tear when I heard. I was like, Oh, I just 190 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 4: wanted to crawl up and throt position like. 191 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 9: I love him to keep a couple of times because 192 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 9: I loved that song. 193 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: I love, love love that song. 194 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: Man. 195 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 10: Before I forget, oh, before I forget dude, what happened 196 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 10: to Uncle Sam. 197 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: Uh he out did getting some of that Jesus money. 198 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: But anyway, he actually is getting Jesus money. 199 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 4: But we we had him signed the Stone Creek, our 200 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 4: record labeled back in Philly, and we all, uh, you know, 201 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 4: we all fell in love with him the first day 202 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: we heard him, and I felt there was something we 203 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 4: could work with. We went in and produced the record 204 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: and uh, I think the album. The album sold a 205 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: million records and you know, the single, so the million 206 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: records and the album was half so half a Manion Records. 207 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: And then we went back in to renegotiate with Epic 208 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 4: to do another record, and unfortunately he wasn't really happy 209 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: with his terms. Now, we'll tell you one thing that 210 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: we learned in our business. For us, we don't treat 211 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: people the way we were treated a lot of artisan 212 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 4: producers be like, well, you know, I went through it, 213 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: and you got to go through. 214 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 8: We would never know those guys. 215 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: We made sure that the deals you got you were 216 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 4: happy with, and if you didn't like those deals, we 217 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: could tear those deals up and you could walk. But 218 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 4: you know, Sam, for some reason at that time, had 219 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: a whole different agenda of what he really wanted to do, 220 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 4: and we didn't really want, you know, stifle him from that, 221 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: so we said, okay, well that's you want to do. 222 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: Cool. 223 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 4: So when we walked from him, the label said, well, well, 224 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: if y'all ain't with him, we ain't with him. 225 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 8: So that's why I. 226 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 6: Yep, can I ask. 227 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 11: Y'all it's funny I mentioned that the joasy thing. 228 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 12: I was kind of always curious how y'all felt, since 229 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 12: they were kind of allowed to be the bad boys. 230 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 12: But y'all, especially at the end of the road, it 231 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 12: was like a whole persona preppiness or whatever. But knowing 232 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 12: who y'all really are is South Philly, Philly y'all. 233 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 3: Personally, I personally took to yeah problem. 234 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 11: Yeah, I was gonna say, what was that like? 235 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 12: And how was it like wearing those masks at times 236 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 12: when you really had to wear the mask? 237 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: I feel like, was Alexander Pool a real person? 238 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 239 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: He was after he was a character. 240 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 6: To watch a TV watch it all the time, and 241 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 6: that's how he came up with the look because he 242 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 6: used to trust that way. 243 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: But he ain't live at seventeen Christians. So yeah, I 244 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: used to have it. 245 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: I used to have a problem having to do that 246 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: because that wasn't me, wasn't even close to me, you 247 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So to watch them get out 248 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: there and have a chance to just be regular niggas, 249 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 4: I had a problem with that, right. 250 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 8: I just wanted. 251 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 4: I just wanted to be me, and I couldn't because 252 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: I had to protect the entity of my guys. 253 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 8: And it is what it is. 254 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 6: I was the suburbs, so you know, you know, I 255 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 6: had to you know, ilation. 256 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 3: Withs with me. 257 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 13: I feel like, you know, I guess at a young age, 258 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 13: I was looking at it as the music called for 259 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 13: the entertainment value, you know what I'm saying. 260 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 9: I mean their music was gritty, their music was you 261 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 9: know what I'm saying, So you have him. 262 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 13: It was you know, it was that and and we 263 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 13: weren't there, so we couldn't personify that type of you know, uh, 264 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 13: we couldn't be that character, you know what I'm saying. 265 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 13: And the funny thing is is what people don't understand 266 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 13: is what made us non offensive. It is no matter 267 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 13: what we were singing, we were no character. 268 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 9: You understand. 269 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 13: We were characters of our own personification, singing love songs, 270 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 13: which made it so non offensive. People couldn't pinpoint it. 271 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 13: They didn't know we was black or white, you know 272 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 13: what I'm saying, until they actually saw us. You gotta understand, 273 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 13: the two album was bigger than Koli. How Harmony we 274 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 13: weren't on Koli. How harmony we weren't on the two albums. 275 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: On the cover, we weren't on the cover. 276 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: That was another fight that they wanted us to cover, 277 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: and we wouldn't want to. 278 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Pull the Brothers sixties move? Wait, why why why did 279 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: you do that? 280 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 3: We had uh got it? No? 281 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 5: I mean basically, we wanted it to be about the music, 282 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 5: and we understood that, you know, being quite frankly, you know, 283 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 5: our faces on the cover we felt at this point 284 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 5: was kind of corny. 285 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 6: So we were like, we wanted to make, you know, 286 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 6: the album itself be the concept. 287 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 8: So and one came up with a damn good logo. 288 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, like like I came into with the time, Okay, 289 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: I drew that, I do it. 290 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 9: Pencil drew it. 291 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, kyan Ye drew it right, and and and he 292 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 5: put it all together. Yanye actually drew this. So we 293 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 5: casked some guys, what's the agent guy that we had 294 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 5: created created like this metal thing. This was before you know, 295 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 5: all the technology we have now. It looks just like 296 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 5: the mold of the. 297 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 6: Two things set it up in lighting. That was that's 298 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 6: an actual picture that that new album coming. They different 299 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 6: angle and. 300 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 5: Made it look the way that it look and the 301 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 5: label we were we were at a somebody's beach house, 302 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 5: you know, meeting with all the heads of Motown because 303 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 5: this is you know, we were the big group at 304 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 5: the time, so everybody was talking, you know, wanted to 305 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 5: hear our ideas, and they fought us, right, no, your 306 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 5: face has. 307 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 6: Got to be on the record. Your face got to 308 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 6: be on the record. 309 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 5: When they finally saw it and we put it out, 310 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 5: we saw a paper newspaper article when the album came 311 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 5: out and it reached a certain level and the label 312 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 5: was like, yeah, we came up with the idea. 313 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 6: We didn't want to their faces on the album. 314 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: It was this Herald era or Busby Nah. 315 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: This was before hell, this was before heral. But what's 316 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 4: funny was that this was during the long CD box 317 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: where it stuck down and the till then and the 318 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: picture was up top. So that's why they were fighting 319 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: because they wanted the faces to be up top. But 320 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: when Wine came up with the idea, I literally remember 321 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: him saying, it's got to look it's got to look 322 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: like the Batman's it's got to look like something that's 323 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 4: got that. And we fell in love with that idea 324 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: of it, and we tried to take that idea to 325 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: the label, but again they were stuck on we got 326 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: to put. 327 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 8: Your facers on it. 328 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: And I don't think that they realized even after eight 329 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 4: or nine million records, how strong the name of the 330 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 4: group was. 331 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: Wow man, One day, I want to ask you real quick, 332 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: broken hearted man. 333 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 13: You know, during the time of Broken Hearted, Brandy was 334 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 13: just coming out. She just had I want to be 335 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 13: down and I really thought that she she was just 336 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 13: like a good thing. I knew that she had something 337 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 13: that I hadn't heard all time, you know, vocally, and 338 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 13: you know, I contacted her mom and we were all 339 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 13: talking and saying, Yo, this girl, she's crazy. 340 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 9: I would love to, you know, you know, do some 341 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 9: music with her whatnot. 342 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 13: This is before anything ever transpired relationship wise, and her 343 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 13: mom agreed, you know, and you know, we all met up. 344 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 13: I met I went actually went to Carson, which is 345 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 13: in California. 346 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 9: Like it was like the hood, you know what I mean. 347 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 13: And I hung out like literally all day her her 348 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 13: boyfriend and ray J when he was little, you know, 349 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 13: the mom and dad. You know, I have my security 350 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 13: with me, you know what I'm saying. You know, I 351 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 13: went down and we hung out and we just ran 352 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 13: sang rifts and stuff, all of you know, just copying 353 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 13: each other's ribs. I was pretty pretty young, but not 354 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 13: that young. And as time progressed, she became like my 355 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 13: little you know, my little sidekick, you know, like we 356 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 13: would actually just literally hang out. And as time progressed, 357 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 13: you know, hanging out so much, you began to catch feelings, 358 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 13: you know what I'm saying, And it was really innocent feelings, 359 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 13: really innocent feelings. And you know, fans, by that, she 360 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 13: started getting older, you know, she started coming into anyway, 361 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 13: she started, she started coming into her womanhood. And I 362 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 13: was getting older, man. You know, people we get older closer, 363 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 13: and that's what happened. And during that time, we did 364 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 13: used to be in the studio all the time. You know, 365 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 13: I actually was the one that got her on the 366 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 13: boys to mentor. I'm the one that actually introduced her 367 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 13: to the Moesha people. My management manager was Quadri was actually, 368 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 13: you know, trying to find something for boys to men 369 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 13: to do. And I said, look, we got Brandy down 370 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 13: the hallway and she used to be on THEA. You 371 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 13: know what I'm saying. 372 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 9: So they they met up with her mom. You know 373 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 9: what I mean. I'm the one that hooked her to 374 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 9: go hooked her up to go on prolem with with Kobee. 375 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 11: Literally, I did you the reason my girlfriend Johnson stood 376 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 11: the prime. 377 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 9: The crazy thing is I wrote Me and my Mom 378 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 9: wrote the Moesia soundtrack, the Mosha song Me and my Mom, 379 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying. So it's like it was 380 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 9: really publishing them because you know that was my girlfriend 381 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 9: at the time. They act like I had nothing to 382 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 9: do with it. 383 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 11: On Netflix. 384 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 13: Man, I know, right, but but you know, broken Hearted 385 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 13: was one of the songs that came out of that. 386 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 13: The song broken Hearted was already on her album and 387 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 13: I was like, Yo, we should do a duet. We 388 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 13: should turn that you on the flip of around and 389 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 13: just make it a duet, and her mom agreed. Everybody agreed. 390 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 13: They produced the record and boom we did Broken Hearted 391 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 13: and we didn't even think it was going to be big, 392 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 13: but we just knew it was a good song. 393 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: You know, it was a great song man. 394 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 13: Yeah, so you know it was it was a time 395 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 13: in our lives when we were really young, you know 396 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 13: what I mean. Of course, people getting relationships and they 397 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 13: get out of relationship. 398 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 6: Everybody acts like it's so. 399 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 13: Harsh of the situation that people break up all the time, 400 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 13: you know, especially as young as we. 401 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 11: And we was asking you about the music. Why you 402 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 11: ain't thank you? 403 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you going there. 404 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 10: This my man, this is my man show, right, Yeah, 405 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 10: you know, Oh, I just had one, uh one of 406 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 10: my deep cut questions on the Evolution album. There was 407 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 10: a record it was deep in the record and I 408 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 10: loved it. It was never single, nothing to the limit, man, 409 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 10: I love that record. What was the if you remember, 410 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 10: like what was this? Y? 411 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? What was the story behind that? 412 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 13: One? 413 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 12: Man? 414 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 5: So many songs that I personally enjoyed that would never 415 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 5: sing and they could have been just as viable as 416 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 5: anything else. But again, it's it's amazing when people's attention 417 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 5: span turned somewhere else. It doesn't matter how good your 418 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: record is. It doesn't matter how good you are. If 419 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 5: people are done with you, they've done with you. 420 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 7: But to the limit is. 421 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 6: It was one of those records. It's funny because I 422 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 6: started writing. 423 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 5: I started writing that record in Jersey, presented most of 424 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 5: it to the guys, and they wrote the dress you 425 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, and and and it was just 426 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 5: a vibe. The track was made by Puffy producers, and 427 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 5: we wanted to do something that was sensual and and 428 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 5: and accommodated to two women. You understood that, you know, 429 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 5: the ladies were predominant, you know, demographic, So we wanted 430 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 5: to create a a a scenario where we were kind 431 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 5: of there everything you know what I'm saying, like and 432 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 5: having that massage day with your guy, which was us 433 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, And that pretty much was it. 434 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 6: That was that was a spa day for our for our. 435 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 5: Significant others, you know what I'm saying, and and and 436 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 5: doing everything that that every woman would would dream of 437 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 5: their man doing. 438 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: And that's pretty much it. 439 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: That was a great song. 440 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: Man. 441 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: I love I love that song. 442 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: I love that record. 443 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 8: I figure I mean to. 444 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: Wine, it's the harmony. 445 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 11: Wine is let us see the bottle because we get here, Yes, 446 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 11: y'all gonna keep me here. I'm let me see that. 447 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: Let's go. 448 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 11: What y'all do is what is that you got there? 449 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 4: Rose? 450 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: Is that harmony wine? 451 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 7: We got got shoulder. There's a Grammy wine whatever you need. 452 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 8: We got red. 453 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 7: We got got Grammy some wine. 454 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 11: Yeah, it's just called red. 455 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 6: That's what does And I know you're a food kind 456 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 6: of sore, but you know, wine got to be in 457 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 6: the mix somewhere with that. 458 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 9: All right? 459 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 1: Correct? What did you guys get in too? When did 460 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: when did you guys step into uh find spirits so 461 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: to speak? 462 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 8: This was years and this is called harmony. 463 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 6: Correct, it's called harmony. 464 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, help you out little bit. 465 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 466 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 6: They're all boys, they're all Bordeaus. They they were grown 467 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 6: in a chateau a goose, which is this placed all 468 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 6: the way in you know, France or whatever. 469 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: And all the way yea, all the way and like 470 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 4: deep deep it's not like a four year old all 471 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 4: the way all. 472 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 5: The way to France. That's that's my trump vernacular. And 473 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 5: you know, basically and uh basically you know this this 474 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 5: was something that we we've been experimenting and trying to 475 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 5: get into for years, but we never really found the 476 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 5: right people to get involved with business wise. 477 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 6: But we found the folks who found the guys. And 478 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 6: again there's three wines. It's a Bordeaux Blanc, it's a 479 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 6: Bordeaux Rose, and it's a Bordeaux red or rouge as 480 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 6: they call it. 481 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 5: And you know it's it's an affordable yet very tasty, 482 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 5: uh multi pallided wine like it's it's it has such 483 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 5: a great flavor, all of them. 484 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 6: Like I don't want to say I could commercial, and 485 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 6: I don't want to sound like you know. 486 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 9: You got me. 487 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 13: So you know the crazy thing is is I know 488 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 13: you appreciate you appreciate this air. The way that they 489 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 13: grow the grapes, you know where they grow up. They 490 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 13: play our music to the grapes. 491 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: You keep better. 492 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 11: Stop they want you better? 493 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 8: Right people? 494 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: That scientific word for it that we can't remember. You 495 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: know that you know that it helps you know that 496 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 4: fight off, helps them fight off a lot of different 497 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 4: infections and things. 498 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: Like that is literally, Yes, I've heard of this before 499 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: where people use music to grow. Yeah, they've done to research. 500 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 11: So that's the selling point right there, y'all. 501 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, But so we can we can also do some 502 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 4: some Joey Francesco, some roots records, some Chris McBride. We 503 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: can play that for the grapes too. We just started, 504 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 4: you know, like a jazz barn harmony. 505 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 506 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 5: All the grapes are organically grown because it's better resistant 507 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: to pesticides and disease and all the other stuff. 508 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: So I said that, Okay, So we wanted to make 509 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: I love y'all believe you. 510 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 6: Wanted to make sure that that the grapes, just like us, 511 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 6: was organic. 512 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: Got some two product. I had to pull up, some 513 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: apple crown, some peanut butter whiskey. 514 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 11: This is like the first product that y'all have like 515 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 11: put out in your career, right am. I? 516 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 8: Yeah, it really, it really really is. 517 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: And we we talk about that, and the question has 518 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 4: been asked and one of the things is that we've 519 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: never been the type of group to do the so 520 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: called indoors. This is something that we really really believe 521 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 4: that it's a part of our lifestyle. Who we are, 522 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 4: something we can represent, something that we can do, and 523 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 4: we're just not good at faking it, you know what 524 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 4: I'm saying. 525 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 8: So this. 526 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: That you know, being you know, being older, you know 527 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: men now, and you know, being. 528 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 4: Able to you know, drink a glass of wine and 529 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: relax and chill and be a part of friends, family, harmony, music, 530 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 4: the sounds of different type of blends and different grapes. 531 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: All of it encompasses who we are and where we 532 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: are at this point in our life. 533 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 8: So here, here, you're here, all right? 534 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: My last question, have you guys been when's the last 535 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: time you've been? Have you been to the Broad Street 536 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: Creative and Performing Arts? 537 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: Yes? 538 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 9: At all? Yes? 539 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: Were you angry at how immaculate and clean? 540 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: Yes? 541 00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 8: From there? 542 00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: Let me go you. 543 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: I was mad as let me get Let me give 544 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: a little insight. It's like it was like a comminium. 545 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 4: Like so when mister King passed away and they and 546 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: they had a new music teacher. The music teacher there 547 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 4: was my original music teacher when I was in the seventh, 548 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 4: eighth and ninth, sixth, seventh eighth grade. They brought her 549 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: from Meredith. So I spent a lot of time of them. 550 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: My son went to this school. So I'm sitting in there. 551 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 4: I mean it looks like a college. And yeah, the 552 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 4: fact that we fought the Columbians, you know what I'm saying. 553 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: You know, we didn't really have our own space in 554 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 3: certain classrooms. 555 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 4: Hats in the ceiling, basketball on the roof with the 556 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 4: gates trying to make sure you don't jump off that. 557 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very, very fucking frustrating. 558 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: But I was about to say, like, the acoustics of 559 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: that bath y'all used to that urine infested bathroom on 560 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 2: the fourth floor, that's where y'are honed. 561 00:26:59,359 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 7: That's a plug. 562 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: Do you do you feel like it's not unless there's 563 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: no year inside. 564 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 8: Yes, you had to use dying for I'm like, how. 565 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 12: Do y'all not expect this after the school has produced 566 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 12: the roots Christian McBride boys and men, Like, isn't this 567 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 12: the natural eleence that I'm. 568 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 2: Glad that they had Enron, I'm glad they had a 569 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: safe environment. But when I came, I went back. I 570 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: went back there with Tariq a year and a half ago, 571 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: and it was I was like, I could see my 572 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: reflection on the floor. 573 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 8: I'll tell you. 574 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 4: The only thing that makes me feel good about it 575 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 4: was the fact that one day I went back and 576 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: I was driving down the street and I say, you 577 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 4: know what, I know how to get there, but I'm 578 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 4: gonna use my navigation. 579 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: So I put in my navigation, drove up to the 580 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: corner and I'm just pausing. I'm waiting. 581 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, well, let me just get I 582 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 4: want to get up to the corner and turn and 583 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 4: see what my navigation says. 584 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 3: When that navigates, you said, boys boulevard. 585 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 4: Dude, Yes, now here's the thing. You know, people always 586 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: get the little hey, what's boulevard? And this is uh, 587 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 4: you know, everybody get the gradess name. But dude, when 588 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 4: it showed up in the navigation, that that's official. 589 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, parkway is on there. 590 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: Yes, what I was like, Wow, you know what else? 591 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 9: Maybe? 592 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 13: You know what else made took away that jealousy a 593 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 13: little bit, Donnate, I ain't gonna lie. What took away 594 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 13: that jealousy a little bit is when I heard the 595 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 13: choir saying they did not sound as good or even. 596 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 9: That choir man. We were smashing them son. 597 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 10: Yeah. 598 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 12: My last question, which is who was the most famous 599 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 12: graduate before the roots and Boyson men of Kappa like, we. 600 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: Had some actors, honestly, and to be and to be existed. 601 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: The school only existed I think six years before we 602 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 4: got there. It was a brand new idea. 603 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 8: Wow. The building. 604 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: The reason why we were interjacked up building was because 605 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 4: the original school was downtown and a building that was 606 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 4: just an idea they were trying to school, and then 607 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 4: it started to do well and they were like, yeah, streets, 608 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 4: to move it to another place and we'll turn it 609 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 4: into a school, and for now to just hang out 610 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 4: with the Columbians. 611 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: We did make the Plumbians famous, you know that. 612 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 9: They haven't like. 613 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 6: It's a country. 614 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 8: Uh what's your name? 615 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 9: Went there? 616 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 12: Uh? 617 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 8: Oh yeah? 618 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: Uh remember not but her girlfriend that cousin, Pam, the 619 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: one wanted to know not cousin, sirmon yeaes sir mean 620 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: she she was. 621 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: It was seemed more as an acting school before we 622 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: got over. 623 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: And what's his name? 624 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 8: Who was saying? Uh? 625 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: I said black? 626 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 4: Get his name black? 627 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: I was friends with spoonsy ray j. 628 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 9: I say mine, yes, right, that's right. 629 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: Heel not DeAndre No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 630 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: you're thinking husband. 631 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 9: That's Roger. 632 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 8: I can't remember. 633 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, DeAndre with he's married to. 634 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 7: Saturdays. 635 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh boy, all right, I want her after something 636 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: because losing his patients. 637 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 4: Actually I'm drunk now, I'm good. 638 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 8: I got one. 639 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: Nerds on the Yeah. Now this is music. 640 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 10: Now, y'all boys done, y'all with the right ones. Drink 641 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 10: all right, So all right, so so wyya. So I've 642 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 10: always heard, like you know, a lot of vocal teachers 643 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 10: and like vocal professors, they always say, well, you know, 644 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 10: you shouldn't stretch your neck when you move or when 645 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 10: you're sing, you shouldn't you know, move your net. 646 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: But being a diciple. 647 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 10: Listening, like you're the most like we know, the Yanye movement. 648 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 10: So I want to know, was that something that you 649 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 10: got kind of like bounced back from from vocal teachers 650 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 10: or was that just something that you just did because 651 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 10: you have the most distinctive like head and neck movements. 652 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 13: It was Honestly, I never got any blowback from any 653 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 13: of the any of the like the vocal coaches or teachers, 654 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 13: because we didn't really have vocal coaches teachers, you know, 655 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 13: like if we're. 656 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 9: Saying choir, of course, I couldn't not even Dumpson you 657 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 9: know what I'm saying. I would have uh you know 658 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 9: what I'm saying. 659 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 8: I wouldn't. I went I went to Dumpson fan because 660 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 8: that's that's them. 661 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 9: Dude, he ain't like me, you know what I'm saying. 662 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: They would I saw Dumpson in and Miss Davis at 663 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: this Uh Miss Davis is still there. 664 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, one hundred years old. Yeah, one hundred years old. 665 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still hanging on. 666 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: Boy. 667 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 9: Yeah here honestly is it's it's just a dynamic thing. 668 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 13: I mean, of course I can do that without my neck, 669 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 13: but I feel like it gives me a better, I guess, 670 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 13: a better movement, you know what I'm saying. 671 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 9: You know, sometimes you see somebody playing the saxophone, and 672 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying. They're doing that because it 673 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 9: gives them more. 674 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: Of a you know what I mean, of of of 675 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: a you get to sing it, but he wants to 676 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: feel it when he sings it. 677 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 14: Yeah, but how much your how much your vibrato comes 678 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 14: from your neck versus like how much comes from your diaphragm? Well, no, 679 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 14: I mean like like there's different comes from from this 680 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 14: like within, yes, chesty, you know what I mean. So 681 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 14: I kind of it depends on what I'm singing, because sometimes. 682 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 13: I move it from my throat tom or I move 683 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 13: from a diaphragm to my chest. 684 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying. 685 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 13: It depends on what I'm the tone that I'm trying 686 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 13: to get out, you know what I mean a lot 687 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 13: of times you guys hear the ending of a song, 688 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 13: it takes it's more of a chesty head type, you 689 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 13: know what I mean, dynamic because it's the power. You 690 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 13: know what I'm saying. It's where you know, the power 691 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 13: comes from. And if I got to hold the long note, 692 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 13: that's when I switch it to my diaphragm. 693 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 9: You know what I mean. 694 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: But to you another one. 695 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 4: This guy didn't learn how to sing false settle until 696 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 4: almost four or five six years end of his. 697 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: Voice I had, I had zero fallse setup. 698 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 9: So I literally I literally started trying. 699 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 13: I literally became like a student of my own voice, 700 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 13: you know what I'm saying. So I know where certain 701 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 13: pieces of my voice take me. I could sing it 702 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 13: in many different ways, but I also know what the 703 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 13: audience calls for. 704 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 7: And my how do you find that? How do you 705 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 7: find the right way to sing the right thing? What 706 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 7: is its? 707 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 13: Just like Nate said, I just sing. I literally just sing. 708 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 13: I mean, I don't have to be doing shit. I'll 709 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 13: be in the house and I hear like an acoustic 710 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 13: and I'll just I'll sing and then I'll figure something out. 711 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 13: And then once I figure it out, I'll practice that 712 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 13: over and over again. Because I always believe that I 713 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 13: can be better. I never feel like, you know, like 714 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 13: people say, oh my god, you're the best. No, I'm 715 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 13: striving to get better and better every day because if 716 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 13: you're the best, you can't grow anymore, you know what 717 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 13: I'm saying. So I want to be better and better 718 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 13: with with whatever style I choose to sing, because I 719 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 13: know that there's going to be multi fast, fastness of 720 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 13: style styles. 721 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 9: That I'm going to need to, you know what I mean, 722 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 9: sing in order to be an artist. 723 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 10: You know, is there a particular music just as as 724 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 10: long as you guys have been doing and just as 725 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 10: season of singers as you are, is there still a 726 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 10: particular style of music that gives you more trouble than 727 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 10: the other, like like jazz versus gospel versus classical, or 728 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 10: you know, is there we are? What what's still a 729 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 10: challenge to you? 730 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 7: Yeah? 731 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 9: We we we we we are. 732 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 13: Like I said, Uh, Sean to me is h he 733 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 13: has a really good jazz ear. So when it comes 734 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 13: to something like that, I always look to Sean to 735 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 13: start it. Now, I know what it's supposed to sound like, 736 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 13: but I know when Sean starts it, I know where's 737 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 13: supposed to go. So once he starts it, I know 738 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 13: where I fit in, you know what I'm saying, So 739 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 13: there's no hiccup there. 740 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 9: Same with Nate. Nate has a great jazz here. 741 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 13: Nate's like his musical roundnesses is just like fucking crazy 742 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 13: to me. But when he starts something, we all know 743 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 13: exactly where it goes. So it can be a jazz 744 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 13: song or it can be like like, uh, like Ribbon's 745 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 13: in the Sky, you know, you know what I mean? 746 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 13: That a cappella version that's jazzy and R and B is. 747 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 13: It's a lot of different facets. So when it comes 748 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 13: to oh yeah, I'm not sure if y'all heard that 749 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 13: record record. 750 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 9: When it comes when it comes to that, we all, 751 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 9: I guess, give enough of a strength to not make 752 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 9: it a hurdle, you know what I mean. 753 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 4: I understand there's no knowing you're comfort You're not in 754 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 4: so much a comfort zone, but knowing we all know 755 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 4: that when someone sings apart, we know if that's the 756 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 4: part they should sing. Like there are times when we'll 757 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 4: we'll sing something and we'll be like, nah, I think 758 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 4: Sean should sing it because he's got a. 759 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: Little bit more of this or whatever. 760 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 4: And we know that you know what I'm saying, and 761 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 4: we we tend to know when to fall in or 762 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 4: a guy somebody, perfect example, will come to the studio. 763 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, well I want to want to say 764 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 4: this and why Like no, what I think should probably 765 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 4: do this part? Because we all know each other's voices, 766 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 4: so whenever we hear anything that anybody brings. 767 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 3: Us, we know who should sing what and where and 768 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 3: where it should go. 769 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 7: So what's technically what's the warm up game? 770 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 4: Like? 771 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 7: Like how does how does that work? 772 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: As in? 773 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 14: Like I once talk to Christian McBride and he said 774 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 14: that he he warmed up, he practiced for the ten 775 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 14: to ten minutes before the gig and that was it. 776 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 14: And I assume that with you guys, it's way different 777 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 14: than that. Like I'm sure seth Riggs or that I 778 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 14: don't know. I don't warm up at all. 779 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: Love to you ya, wow, just walk in. 780 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 8: I don't just when I wake up. 781 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 9: When I wake up in the morning, I see when 782 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 9: I wake up in the morning and I know I 783 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 9: have a show. 784 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 13: I sing the highest note that I'm going to sing 785 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 13: on the show, and if it comes out clear, I 786 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 13: know I'm good. 787 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 3: You're good. 788 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 8: And another that's. 789 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: Those requirements like take the air conditioning off. 790 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 9: I don't sleep. 791 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we don't like air conditions and all that and. 792 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 6: The like. 793 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 8: Okay, Wine likes it blazing. 794 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 4: Hot and I like it more in the in the 795 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 4: middle kind of we don't like it cold, but we 796 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 4: don't like it steamy, like Wine are going to and 797 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 4: turn the shower on and steam. 798 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 799 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 7: But another reason why Vegas and Tampa just for the record, well, another. 800 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 4: Reason why I like to practice because I never really 801 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 4: know where I'm gonna end up depending on what we're 802 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 4: singing and what we're doing. 803 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 8: I don't know. 804 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 4: I know what parts I'm supposed to sing for each song, 805 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 4: but I don't know what I'm gonna I don't know 806 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 4: what I'm singing because I don't know where I'm gonna be. 807 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 5: So this is kind of like open and believe it 808 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 5: or not, Like sometimes that opens up for interesting things 809 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 5: to come out of your group. Mm hm, it's kind 810 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 5: of cool sometimes, like right now we're going through a 811 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 5: seasons change in LA. So my voice is a little 812 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 5: raspuler and if you're recording or if you're doing something, 813 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 5: sometimes that sounds cool, you know what I mean. We 814 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 5: forget that, Like our voices are instruments, and sometimes those 815 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 5: little like those quirks, those idiosyncrasies vocally could bring out 816 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 5: a texture that might resonate soulfully, you know what I'm saying, 817 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 5: because you might not feel as as clean or whatever, 818 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 5: but it has such a rasp and a ruggedness to it. 819 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 6: It makes you sing different, you know what I'm saying. 820 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 5: It's almost like a mayor when you play different drum skins, 821 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, When you got like different snares, whatever. 822 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 5: It has different resonances, different sounds and textures and feels 823 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 5: when you strike it. 824 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 6: It's the same thing vocally with us, Like, yeah, we 825 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 6: want to sound good. 826 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 5: All the time, but you know, when it comes to weather, 827 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 5: when it comes to stuff like that, we just adapt 828 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 5: to what our voices are doing at that moment and 829 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 5: we just have that time. 830 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 4: And I always wish I had more power in the 831 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 4: tenor range, but I don't like I used to, you know, 832 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 4: I used to sit back and listen to Sean and 833 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 4: want to be like damn, I could sing it, but 834 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 4: just can't. 835 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 3: I can't. I don't have that light to it like 836 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 3: I just don't. 837 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 4: Have that that rip you know what I'm saying now 838 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 4: above them, I do, but in that it's like I 839 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 4: can sing it, but I just don't. I always wanted 840 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 4: to be that have that tenor guy that just could 841 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 4: just rip. 842 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 8: I just I just don't. I don't have that in it. 843 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 3: I don't have that. 844 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 14: Away voices does age voices because I was I saw 845 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 14: Billy Joel two years ago and he's playing things in 846 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 14: C but it sounds and be flat, like it's a 847 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 14: whole step down because his voice is down. Do you guys, 848 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 14: You guys don't have that. 849 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 3: Personally? Yeah, that's g I guess, because again I tend 850 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 3: to be all over the place. I don't key. 851 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter for the most part for me, 852 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 4: Like you change your drop no, let me rephrase that. 853 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 4: When you start to drop it lower, it affects me 854 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 4: one because of my my, my pitch, my the perfect 855 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 4: pitch thing. It irritates me because I know it's the 856 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 4: wrong kid. So I struggle to sing it in a 857 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 4: different kee. 858 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 8: And Manuan used to fight a lot because he can't sing. 859 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 4: I mean not that he can't, but because he sings 860 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 4: so many of those songs like every song is like every. 861 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 3: Song is way up in the stratosphere. Some of them 862 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 3: we have to adjust, and I'll be like, dude, you 863 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 3: really want to drop this, Dude, I can't, Like I 864 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 3: can't do eight of them in a row. I'm like, 865 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: we gotta fight with that. 866 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 4: But I mean it can become a struggle when again, 867 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 4: when you got that kind of fight with the way 868 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 4: his voice is, when you got to dig into a 869 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 4: song that way on every singles, I mean, if you 870 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 4: did a thirty minute Boys to Men said. 871 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 3: This, this clown sings into the role up there, I'll 872 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 3: make love to you up there there. 873 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 15: Ben died me up like everything he ends everything in 874 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 15: the sky so on, and may be like, well, you know, 875 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 15: it's just twenty minutes like Nigga's twenty minutes, twenty minutes, 876 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 15: twenty different, oh, saying that sometimes these songs won't make it. 877 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 9: Oh, and then I'll move down the. 878 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 8: Like that. 879 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 9: We have to do the hits, that's bottom line. We 880 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 9: have to do the hits. 881 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 13: But sometimes like there's some songs that aren't major hits 882 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 13: that I'm like, Nigga like color Color, but the. 883 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: Song right that that isn't rebody loves that record. 884 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 3: Everybody loves singing that. 885 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: We'll sing that. 886 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 8: That's the only one we had. 887 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 6: To sing every fucking day. 888 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 11: Every day, stand and ring in any show. 889 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 9: I was just do y'all do. 890 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 3: I will tell you that's one that we definitely need 891 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 3: our brother on. We need Mic on that record. 892 00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: What's the status of y'all in Mike? 893 00:42:59,719 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 9: Now? 894 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: Things cool? 895 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 8: Is not cool? 896 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: Or you're speaking on it was? 897 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 4: I think I think we as a group, us three 898 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 4: are We're cool with where we are with Mike. We 899 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 4: just don't know where we are with Mike. 900 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 3: I'll leave it. I mean again, it's like we've. 901 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 4: Gone through a lot and do some bad things, some 902 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 4: good things. Is you know we love him, don't We 903 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 4: don't hate him. We don't wish any ill feel anything 904 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 4: about him. 905 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 3: But unfortunately we tried to bring him back a couple 906 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 3: of times, and you know, some of. 907 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 4: Our milestones where it was the twentieth album or you know, 908 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 4: twenty years or twenty five, and it just didn't work 909 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 4: out because unfortunately a lot of people don't realize that 910 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 4: Mike has been away from the group longer than he 911 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 4: was in the group. 912 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 3: Right Like he left in nineteen ninety nine. 913 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 4: We had that just started in ninety two, so bringing 914 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 4: him back for the twentieth anniversary, in the twenty fifth anniversary, 915 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 4: Mike McKinny is a different guy that we didn't grow 916 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 4: up with from ninety nine to twenty twenty. 917 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 3: He's just a different person. He's just been gone for 918 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 3: a long time. 919 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 4: And at that time, we were all growing up families 920 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 4: becoming men, like, oh, this is when we really started 921 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 4: to learn different things about ourselves that we needed to 922 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 4: grow up around each other so we could understand those 923 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 4: different things about each other. But he was all the 924 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 4: way over there, so. 925 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 3: We don't even know. In some cases, honestly, it sounds 926 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 3: sad to say it. We don't even know who he 927 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 3: is right now. 928 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 16: Who he is now, and honestly, we really know who 929 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 16: he was back with that on top of Mike was 930 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 16: Mike was always the. 931 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 9: Other dude, you know what I'm saying. 932 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 13: Like if we got if we got freaking uh paffinders, 933 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 13: Mike would get a rodeo if we got you know 934 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 13: what I'm saying, ben'ses, Mike would get get a push 935 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 13: if you know what I'm saying. 936 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 9: He just was always separate from us, like we would 937 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 9: hang out and Mike would not be there. You know 938 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,439 Speaker 9: what I'm saying. 939 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 4: He just came in to the school in the same 940 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 4: year that I came in, and Mike had Mike had 941 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 4: a pitch problem, and you know it kind of alienated 942 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,760 Speaker 4: him away from a lot of people in the choir 943 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 4: in the school at that time, because Mike also had 944 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 4: that attitude, well, I'm gonna do what I can and 945 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 4: if you don't like it, fuck you. And that's kind 946 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 4: of what this attitude. Well, he's like, I'm I'm gonna 947 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 4: try to sing it. If it don't get there, talk 948 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 4: about me all you want, the hell with you? And 949 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 4: if you talk about me too much, then we might 950 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 4: have to have some physical altercation. 951 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 3: And that's just who he was. 952 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 9: I see that. 953 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 11: What part of Philly was Mike from? What part of Philly? 954 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: Is he from? 955 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 8: Logan? 956 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:40,919 Speaker 9: Okay? 957 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: Actually showing where were you from in Philly? 958 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 6: Of the suburbs of southwest Philadelphia? 959 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 11: What is that called up? What is he saying? I 960 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 11: don't understand what is that? 961 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 6: I don't ever any damn suburbs in the southwest Philadelphia. 962 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 6: Belmart Terrace right down the stone from my park and 963 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 6: Paul Brothers. 964 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying. 965 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,359 Speaker 9: That's that's where I come from. 966 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: I know, I grew up in South thirty six ty, 967 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: I get it. 968 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up in Southwest like fifty eighth and 969 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 4: fifty from Wooland Avenue like Greenway Avenue and then. 970 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: Crest you know what Crush what? 971 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 9: Yeah? 972 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: All right, so I used to bag a crush son 973 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: for real? 974 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 3: What? 975 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I used to get what? 976 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 3: Man, help me with your bags? Messed? 977 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 8: Well, how you get a quarner, nigga? 978 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 3: What? 979 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 8: Anyway, I grew up over there, and then when I 980 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 8: started going to. 981 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 3: Perfoman ours whatever, I moved into South Philly. So I 982 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 3: grew up over there. 983 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 8: But no, I'm com from. 984 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 3: Matter of fact, my street was all the street right 985 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 3: in front of Crush. 986 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 2: Okay, I know who that is. My grandmam lived around 987 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,320 Speaker 2: that way. So that's how I know. Thursday was just 988 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 2: shopping for Grandma. I'm at Crest boy, Okay what now? 989 00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 1: Damn it? 990 00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 8: All right? 991 00:46:59,719 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: Now? 992 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 8: All right? 993 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: Do you guys do you guys ever get sentimental for 994 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: Philly at all? 995 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 3: And do you act on it? 996 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: Okay? So a gps the fucking directions in the fucking. 997 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,240 Speaker 7: Street name yes, they get nostalgica. 998 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 2: My ship's a little bit different, Like I will actually 999 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 2: designate maybe every other month, I will. 1000 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: I will actually ride the L. 1001 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 2: I've done it before before every roots picnic, Like when 1002 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 2: rehearsals start, I'll designate about six hours to just sit 1003 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 2: on the L from sixty ninth Street all the way 1004 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 2: to the other end and full circle it just to. 1005 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 3: It didn't work, lashes. 1006 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 4: I was caught every time because it's all part of 1007 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 4: the outfit. So either way, it's nothing I could hide 1008 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 4: with unless I just put a hood over my head. 1009 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 4: This is to might think I'm crazy, right, But. 1010 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 2: I mean, do you guys, like, when's the last time 1011 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 2: that you really, like just like just I really went 1012 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 2: to landmarks of your life or like try to chase ghosts. 1013 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 2: I call it chasing ghosts. 1014 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 8: Where I did that last time? 1015 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of years ago, I took my kids 1016 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 5: to my actual block where I lived. 1017 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 6: Like, I took all my kids. My wife was like, Yo, 1018 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 6: we're gonna go to my neighborhood where I grew up. 1019 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 11: Like the whole ship was it like an episode of 1020 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 11: Black Were they scared? 1021 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 5: No, they were They were just kind of astounded because yeah, 1022 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 5: they kids, they callie kids. 1023 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 6: They survived, you know what I'm saying. So when when 1024 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 6: they actually got out the car and they saw. 1025 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: You got out the car, oh yeah, we got yeah yeah, 1026 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: And and and. 1027 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 5: They saw rundowns, you know, houses and the street. It's 1028 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 5: all fucked up in the whole nine yards. 1029 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,240 Speaker 6: And they was like, Daddy. My daughter was like, Daddy, 1030 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 6: which house was yours? 1031 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 10: Right? 1032 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 6: And I said, well, that's my house right there, you know. 1033 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 6: I pointed out the house that's where I grew up. 1034 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 5: She's like, well, it's a really small house. Yeah, it's 1035 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 5: a small house. Like five of us grew up in 1036 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 5: that house. So yeah, like you know, and I took 1037 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 5: him to get cheese, steaks and the whole nine yards. 1038 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 5: So yeah, like that, we we got a dope city, 1039 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like this Brian me sometimes 1040 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 5: this got his moments. But ultimately, I tell you what, 1041 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 5: I go back there a lot. 1042 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: Did they ginger by your spot? That's what we wanted 1043 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: to get to? 1044 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 6: Southwest? 1045 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,839 Speaker 11: Not southwest, it's gonna be last. 1046 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,760 Speaker 6: No, it's still black. 1047 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,640 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no, Well I was in South Philly. 1048 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,839 Speaker 3: My house at the time was probably like one hundred 1049 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 3: and thirty grand like they done took the whole South 1050 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,919 Speaker 3: Philly area. 1051 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 4: But I mean, I get a soft spot when I 1052 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 4: go back because like and I don't really you know, 1053 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 4: we talk about this kind of stuff. But last year 1054 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,320 Speaker 4: Christmas Eve, I took my son and I took my 1055 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 4: best friend who passed away from COVID. He was in 1056 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 4: phil He's just living Philly. So I called him said, listen, dude, 1057 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 4: I need you to just go to Target. I just 1058 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 4: need you to buy every sock they got. I need 1059 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 4: you to buy every sleeping bag they got. I need 1060 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,360 Speaker 4: you to buy every pair of gloves. And we just 1061 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 4: went out and gave out socks and sleeping bags and 1062 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 4: tents to homeless people because I know I used to 1063 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 4: pass them every day. You know what I'm saying when 1064 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 4: I went downtown. You know what I'm saying. And I 1065 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 4: know that Philly has a big homeless problem. So I 1066 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 4: just got a real soft spot for homeless people. I mean, 1067 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 4: whether knowing what their story is or not, it just 1068 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 4: has always bothered me. So I like going back to 1069 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,280 Speaker 4: Philly and just showing up and just giving people stuff. 1070 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,160 Speaker 4: Like I passed a homeless guy and just give him 1071 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 4: a hundred bucks and just just so he can get 1072 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 4: the react. Just I don't even I don't even care 1073 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 4: what he does with it, because it's not has nothing 1074 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 4: to do with me. I just I just want I 1075 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 4: just want to feel the reaction that it means something 1076 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 4: to him, and hopefully he'll do the right thing. But 1077 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 4: growing up in that town, knowing where we all come 1078 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 4: from and not having nowhere near what we have now, 1079 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 4: to go back and to put smiles on people's faces 1080 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,880 Speaker 4: like that and to try different things like that, that's 1081 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 4: what I get a soft spot for when. 1082 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 10: I love man, Do you think there's that kind of 1083 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,840 Speaker 10: what got you into doing the rehabs and doing the 1084 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 10: housing like you're just showing it in. 1085 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 8: A little bit. 1086 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,800 Speaker 4: I'm really My dad brought me up in my brothers 1087 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 4: and family on you know, always being able to do 1088 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 4: so much in hands, whether this is music or whatever. 1089 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 4: It happens great, but at the end of the day, 1090 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,720 Speaker 4: a man has to be able to take care of himself. 1091 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 4: And the only thing he did his best two tools 1092 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 4: is his hands, so we were always taught to figure 1093 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 4: out something to do with them. So that was like 1094 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 4: a combination of the two. For me, knowing that I 1095 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,560 Speaker 4: come from nothing and knowing that I have the ability 1096 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 4: not just with my hands, but a financially, I have 1097 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 4: the ability I didn't have before. So it was like 1098 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 4: bringing them all together. So that was we came up 1099 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 4: with an idea of for our charity called the Boys 1100 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 4: Cement House, And one of the biggest one of the 1101 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 4: ideas was to try the build. This is you know 1102 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 4: for COVID and all the creations, was to try to 1103 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 4: build these boys to mend houses in these urban communities 1104 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 4: where you know, kids, you know, after school programs, people 1105 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 4: can come, get on the computer, all that kind of stuff, 1106 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 4: to where people would have the ability to enjoy, you know, 1107 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 4: the things that we couldn't enjoy when we were kids. 1108 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 4: So doing the stuff with my hands and building that's 1109 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 4: something that I've always loved to do and will always 1110 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 4: continue to do. And like I said that that that 1111 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 4: homeless thing is really is really really big for me 1112 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,400 Speaker 4: because I always believe that there's stories and all people, 1113 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,320 Speaker 4: and you know, we all pass most homeless people and 1114 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 4: be like, oh, yeah, well you know, he probably you know, drugs, it. 1115 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 4: We always assume that, but if we actually knew the 1116 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 4: story of each individual, I'm sure we always think different 1117 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 4: and the fact that we don't know them makes us 1118 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,399 Speaker 4: all think of them the same way. 1119 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,360 Speaker 3: And I think they get a bad rap on the time. 1120 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 12: Living in caliar change your life and changing about the 1121 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 12: homeless because it's no way. 1122 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 4: Well, I've I've been to skid roll there and I've 1123 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,200 Speaker 4: taken stuff to them too, and I know that their 1124 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 4: homeless problem has gotten worse. I know that their homeless 1125 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,720 Speaker 4: people are more aggressive than most. And again it's because 1126 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 4: it's the stories. I mean, you got to remember some 1127 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 4: of these people are belong there, that they just did 1128 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 4: wrong things or their drugging, and then some people might 1129 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 4: have been a day and a half from paying their 1130 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 4: mortgage and they lost everything. Or someone might have lost 1131 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 4: their job and their wife left them and there and 1132 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 4: their kid died from something like we don't know their. 1133 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,400 Speaker 9: Story is crazy. 1134 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 8: So for anybody without. 1135 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,880 Speaker 4: A doubt, it can drive you into so many different 1136 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 4: situations that we don't know. 1137 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,799 Speaker 2: I'm gonna end with this question. You guys are are 1138 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 2: beyond ubiquitous. Okay, You're You're like oxygen or water. So 1139 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 2: I'm certain that at some point certain things didn't impress you. 1140 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,399 Speaker 2: But what what key figure individually? I'm asking this question, 1141 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 2: Who's Who's the person that you met that really was 1142 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 2: like an oh shit, this is really happening moment that 1143 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,600 Speaker 2: really like heart palvitations or you know that you were 1144 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 2: impressed that you got to meet and and. 1145 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,720 Speaker 1: Or work with or whatever. 1146 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 9: Prince. 1147 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,799 Speaker 13: Really Yeah, for me, it was Prince because I mean 1148 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 13: I just you know, he's a mysterious dude, you know 1149 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:37,799 Speaker 13: what I'm saying. 1150 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 9: You know, so not too many people, you know, don't 1151 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,959 Speaker 9: really know too much about him, not too many people 1152 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 9: around him, you know what I'm saying. And it was 1153 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 9: always like, you know, you always wonder. 1154 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 13: So after Purple Rain, you know, I was really really 1155 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 13: into that, that whole Purple Rain thing, and you know, 1156 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 13: when we actually were invited to his house, I mean, 1157 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 13: to his studio, yeah, you know what I mean. I 1158 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 13: literally I didn't really like let the fellas know too much, 1159 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 13: but I was like in awe, like. 1160 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 9: Wow, this dude is really Prince, you know what I'm saying. 1161 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,760 Speaker 8: It's really. 1162 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: Seem I know, I feel I met Michael Jackson. 1163 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 13: Michael as cool as hell, you know what I'm saying. 1164 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,279 Speaker 13: But Michael is is not as mysterious, you know what 1165 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 13: I'm saying. You know, Yeah, I'm just talking about like 1166 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,600 Speaker 13: when I met him. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1167 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 13: He was really a cool dude, and so was Prince. 1168 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 13: But it was almost like when I'm when we met him, 1169 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 13: I almost felt like I wasn't supposed. 1170 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,359 Speaker 3: To be meeting him. 1171 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 9: You feel what I'm saying? Man, Like, am I really 1172 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 9: like this is? 1173 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 8: This is Prince? 1174 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 13: But I was keeping it cool. You know what I'm saying. 1175 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 13: I wouldn't be like good Prince, but I was just 1176 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 13: like yo. And then you know, they turned. It was 1177 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,200 Speaker 13: a lot of stories. It turned into a lot of 1178 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 13: real funny stories as time progress, you know what I'm saying. 1179 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,719 Speaker 9: But I swear it was. That was one of the 1180 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 9: moments where I was like, oh ship, you know what 1181 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:11,359 Speaker 9: I mean. 1182 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,640 Speaker 13: And I've met almost everybody I've wanted to meet, you 1183 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:15,319 Speaker 13: know what I'm saying. 1184 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,240 Speaker 2: Speaking of which, have you ever heard of his demo 1185 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,280 Speaker 2: for seven, which is based on the Simple remix? 1186 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:25,360 Speaker 3: No? 1187 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,719 Speaker 7: You never heard the p. 1188 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 4: I'm a Prince collegist, I you know, I mean whatever, Okay, 1189 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,880 Speaker 4: shop pause that hold that thought because Prince College. 1190 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 8: And I'm gonna see if you get this real quick. 1191 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,040 Speaker 4: This is a little trivia trivia The two albums. It's 1192 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 4: a song, very very big song for us. Yeah, I know, yes, 1193 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 4: the harmony behind uh uh, thank. 1194 00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: You you alogists also boys the men. I was just so, 1195 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: what was it stolen from? What was it stolen from? 1196 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,799 Speaker 1: Seven watched them? 1197 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,960 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I got the background harmonies between behind One's League. 1198 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,800 Speaker 2: It's probably one of Princess great Yes. When I heard that, 1199 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I would have done the same 1200 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 2: thing too, because as nice little pockets of harmony that 1201 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 2: you could pay. 1202 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 4: Just hoping he ain't get us for it, dude, because 1203 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 4: I was like, I think we should maybe we shouldn't. 1204 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 3: It's too late. No, No, he didn't. 1205 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: He probably liked it. 1206 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,640 Speaker 6: He borrowed, but he did. 1207 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 8: Yeah. 1208 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:52,480 Speaker 2: But the the Tevin Campbell uh demo for the p which, okay, 1209 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 2: I more more than classic print songs. I'm really a 1210 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:03,520 Speaker 2: friend of like his worst songs, and this is his 1211 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 2: second worst song ever. 1212 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 1: Worse than Illusion coma Pimp. 1213 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 2: Well, no, absolute worst song is actually a song called 1214 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,920 Speaker 2: Work that Fatal. 1215 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:25,600 Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah, wow his uh actually you know what 1216 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 1: I think. 1217 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 2: I still think that that track that Tevin did, that track, 1218 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 2: but yes, he the there's a there's a four bar 1219 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,040 Speaker 2: drum break at the very end of the simple remix 1220 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 2: that he used as the basis of of that song, 1221 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 2: and always I love that remix too. 1222 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: I bought that a single as a kid, the single remix. Yeah, 1223 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 1: I love that record, man. Yeah, all all right, So 1224 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: who's your person, Sean? 1225 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 9: Uh, it would have to be. 1226 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 6: Like he's the reason why I even seen like you 1227 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,880 Speaker 6: know what I mean, Like just his whole vocal. I 1228 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 6: was always in love with his. 1229 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:14,160 Speaker 9: Vibroada. 1230 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 5: And you know, quite naturally, when you copy somebody or 1231 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,880 Speaker 5: when you you you listen to somebody every day, you 1232 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,960 Speaker 5: can't help but the copy, you know, some vocally. So 1233 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 5: sometimes I'll hit something that might sound like Mike and 1234 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,880 Speaker 5: and and it's not by design, It's just it just 1235 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 5: comes out, you know what I'm saying. And you know, 1236 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 5: to to know that Mike was the type of dude 1237 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 5: that when we did see him, he would ask how 1238 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 5: our family? 1239 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 6: How you doing? 1240 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 7: Like you know, it was normal, like to to have these. 1241 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 6: Conversations with a guy who is the greatest entertainer the 1242 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,560 Speaker 6: world has ever seen, and to actually we worked with 1243 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 6: him intimately, you know, Uh, was I did the one more? 1244 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 6: Can I give things? 1245 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 5: You know when not Levin did, and for him to 1246 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,520 Speaker 5: personally invite me and come to the studio before even 1247 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 5: you know, did the song. We're just chopping it up 1248 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 5: about stuff and then he goes in tells me what 1249 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,280 Speaker 5: I need to sing blah blah blah blah and do it. 1250 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 5: Like in my wildest dreams, I would have never thought 1251 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,480 Speaker 5: having a relationship. 1252 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 6: Like this wasn't just like people like we were. 1253 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 5: We were cool with the with the man, and he 1254 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 5: understood us and we understood him, you know what I'm saying, 1255 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 5: and and that was the cool thing about that. 1256 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,120 Speaker 1: So I was actually I'm glad you mentioned that. 1257 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 2: The one question we never asked Jimmy jam was the 1258 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 2: making of the title track for Were you guys there 1259 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,560 Speaker 2: for the creation of it or were you just brought 1260 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,120 Speaker 2: in at the end to sing your parts on the 1261 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 2: title track of History because. 1262 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 12: We sang it. 1263 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 6: We said he wasn't there, but we sang it and. 1264 01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 9: Was my dad? 1265 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,680 Speaker 6: Remember he was there? 1266 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:03,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1267 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 6: When we actually sang the record. 1268 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,360 Speaker 9: Though, was when we sang the harmonies to History. Mike 1269 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,440 Speaker 9: was in the studio. 1270 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 13: He came in and we talked for like three hours 1271 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,280 Speaker 13: before we actually said, Wow. 1272 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,920 Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to because that song is so intricate 1273 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,960 Speaker 2: and you know, made in ninety five before like Ableton, 1274 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 2: and like the type of demands that he had to 1275 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 2: create that song really wasn't common, right, you know, so 1276 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,920 Speaker 2: you know awful. 1277 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I didn't ask it. 1278 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,880 Speaker 2: I didn't ask Jimmy jam on air, but I asked, like, 1279 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,640 Speaker 2: what was your like the Nightmare project that and he said, 1280 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,200 Speaker 2: oh no, without a doubt history because he kept we 1281 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 2: were present something. He's like, all right, push it more, 1282 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,800 Speaker 2: push it more, push it more, you know, Ethison, and 1283 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,800 Speaker 2: it goes all over the place. I wanted to know, 1284 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 2: were you guys there for the stacking of. 1285 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,120 Speaker 1: That like we did our partner. 1286 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,400 Speaker 8: Then they took it and kind of ran okay. 1287 01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:58,880 Speaker 9: I see. 1288 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,320 Speaker 6: Too, because he compressed us and squished us all the 1289 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:04,200 Speaker 6: way down barely. 1290 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 1: I as you guys singing on it. So Sean, I 1291 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,840 Speaker 1: was asked, you man, you're so. 1292 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,480 Speaker 10: I didn't know until like a couple of years ago 1293 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 10: that Anthony David is your cousin. Yeah, yeah, and big 1294 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,440 Speaker 10: old Anthony days my brother man. And he told me 1295 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 10: when y'all did the record. Y'all covered Tears for Fears 1296 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 10: Everybody Wants through the World on his album as well. 1297 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 10: So I'm for twenty eleven and he was telling me 1298 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,280 Speaker 10: just about tracking that and I said, so, man, so 1299 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 10: what was it like like Sean and the studio? He 1300 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 10: was like, dude, SHAWNA is just one take. He's like 1301 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 10: he's singing all these harmonies, like he's finding notes in 1302 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:48,440 Speaker 10: between the notes. Like he just had just nothing but positivity, 1303 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,560 Speaker 10: like to say about your man. 1304 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 6: So I did not realize he could even sing. 1305 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:55,560 Speaker 1: Really aw him. 1306 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,840 Speaker 5: We were all coming out of Madison Square Garden in 1307 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,040 Speaker 5: New York and we were in the ND. I read 1308 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 5: and and he was with her, and I was like, 1309 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 5: what's up, cousin. I was like, what are you doing here? 1310 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 9: And he was he was like singing. 1311 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,440 Speaker 5: I was like you what you know what I'm saying, like, nigga, 1312 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 5: I don't know you could sing like I had, Like 1313 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,240 Speaker 5: he never because he would come to Philly for the 1314 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 5: summer sometime we would hang out and you know that 1315 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:23,800 Speaker 5: whole thing. 1316 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,360 Speaker 6: So he never once told me that he had them, 1317 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,120 Speaker 6: you know, he could sing or write or anything like that. 1318 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 5: So when I first saw him on you know then 1319 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 5: and then I saw him on TV and now he 1320 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 5: got his album, and I was like, I'm ship. 1321 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,040 Speaker 6: So it's like, you know, and what's funny is is 1322 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,400 Speaker 6: uh Chinye my second cousin tiny? 1323 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:43,160 Speaker 8: Yeah. 1324 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,800 Speaker 11: So your people's Atlanta? 1325 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,880 Speaker 6: Wow, yeah, I got, I got. 1326 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,640 Speaker 5: I got a lot of family in Savannah, where my 1327 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,960 Speaker 5: mother and my father's from. So I got a lot 1328 01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,280 Speaker 5: of people in Savama, so you know, yeah, like it's crazy. 1329 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,320 Speaker 5: It's crazy, like I got a lot of family members 1330 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 5: that you know. I found out that one of the 1331 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:09,280 Speaker 5: guys from remember the song, uh, some things going on. 1332 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:17,440 Speaker 1: Because yeah, two damns, man, something's going on, and they had. 1333 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,880 Speaker 6: And then it was restaurant. 1334 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:20,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1335 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:28,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, is like a second cousin of mine too. So 1336 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,640 Speaker 5: it's like I'm just kind of like it's I got 1337 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 5: a music Wow, man, it's crazy. 1338 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 1: What was your thoughts were talking about groups? 1339 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,160 Speaker 10: What was your thoughts on okay, two questions, what were 1340 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 10: your thoughts on fifteen minutes by Mark Morrison? 1341 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,600 Speaker 1: And what were your thoughts on Nelson? But no, I 1342 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,320 Speaker 1: said not more that's the turn of the mac which 1343 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 1: is one of the green songs up. 1344 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 10: But but Mark Nelson fifteen minutes, fifteen minutes as yet, 1345 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 10: we used. 1346 01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 6: To we used to clown Mark with that fifteen minutes story. 1347 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,320 Speaker 8: I'll tell you that as yet story for me. 1348 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:03,520 Speaker 7: I am, let's go. 1349 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,240 Speaker 3: I remember verbatim. I was sitting at the crib. 1350 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 4: I was watching uh b E t H and I 1351 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,720 Speaker 4: was this commercial came on, so I got up, walked 1352 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,200 Speaker 4: in the kitchen getting something to drink. 1353 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 8: Came A song came. 1354 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 3: Video came on and I heard. I heard the first verse. 1355 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:24,600 Speaker 1: And we ha love of it. 1356 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,200 Speaker 3: And then I heard uh drag yeo and I was like, 1357 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 3: hold up. I kept listening and I'm like, oh, somebody 1358 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 3: is trying to steal our ship. Who the fuck is this? 1359 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 4: So I ran into the room and I looked at 1360 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,040 Speaker 4: the TV and I'm like, who the fuck is this 1361 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 4: yellow nigga? 1362 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:42,400 Speaker 3: Who's this? 1363 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,920 Speaker 9: This is this other but curly motherfucker. 1364 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,040 Speaker 8: Then I saw Mark. 1365 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 3: I was like, this motherfucker. He went and did. 1366 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 4: Another Boys to Men and didn't fuck eat. He's trying 1367 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,120 Speaker 4: to get us. He's trying to get us. 1368 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,600 Speaker 8: I can't remember. I don't know if it's wine or show. 1369 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,680 Speaker 8: I called somebody. 1370 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,680 Speaker 4: I called. I said, yo, Mark is trying to do 1371 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,320 Speaker 4: it to us because he got a group and they're 1372 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,280 Speaker 4: singing our ship. 1373 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,680 Speaker 3: That's exactly what I said, dude. Now mind you. 1374 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,520 Speaker 4: I ain't heard nobody that close ever, so I knew 1375 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,320 Speaker 4: it had to be somebody in the nucleus to know 1376 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,360 Speaker 4: how we did stuff. So I'm like, the way the 1377 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,960 Speaker 4: background harmonies was moving. 1378 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,320 Speaker 8: I was like, somebody it was. 1379 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,000 Speaker 9: It was. 1380 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 1: It was the greatest baby face to you. 1381 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:32,640 Speaker 8: Man. 1382 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,960 Speaker 3: I lost it, I really and I was like, dude, 1383 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,480 Speaker 3: they're trying to do They're trying to get us. 1384 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:48,320 Speaker 4: I was somebody because he kept playing and it sounds 1385 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:54,760 Speaker 4: incredible like that, by far was one of the baddest 1386 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,480 Speaker 4: songs I had heard, and the and that like that 1387 01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:59,960 Speaker 4: was one of the baddest songs of the nineties. 1388 01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:02,120 Speaker 8: That song was nuts. 1389 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,440 Speaker 4: The fact that they had different guys singing different parts. 1390 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,720 Speaker 4: They had to face guy, they had to hide guy, 1391 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,160 Speaker 4: they had to falls up, they had the guy with 1392 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,360 Speaker 4: the flips and the man. I'm telling you, they were 1393 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,520 Speaker 4: the close. That song right there was the closest song 1394 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,160 Speaker 4: I've ever heard any group on the planet sing to 1395 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 4: what we do? 1396 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,080 Speaker 9: All right? 1397 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Can I add? Can I add an unpopular take? Because 1398 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 1: I have a theory. 1399 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,560 Speaker 2: Oh oh, and if you verified or if you choose 1400 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,080 Speaker 2: to verify it or not verify it, it's okay. 1401 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:34,640 Speaker 9: But I have a. 1402 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing I always wanted to know. 1403 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:46,440 Speaker 2: That, why did Face's rain of hits just abruptly stop 1404 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,800 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, coincidentally the same time that 1405 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 2: the members of as Yet left the Fold, or at 1406 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,600 Speaker 2: least under A left uh for managing the Yes? 1407 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, were they his ghost writers? 1408 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 8: Well, I will tell you this. 1409 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:11,920 Speaker 3: You didn't know that Mark did some writing with Face. 1410 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,160 Speaker 8: I do know that now. 1411 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,040 Speaker 3: What songs they were good? 1412 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,519 Speaker 1: Noight, no, this question. 1413 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,520 Speaker 3: I have had him and I have had that conversation, 1414 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,479 Speaker 3: and I know he's done some writing. 1415 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,559 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what. We never got into 1416 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,080 Speaker 4: what songs. But Mark came to them as a writer, 1417 01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 4: not a singer. 1418 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,479 Speaker 1: Right, he was under yap and under his wife's thing. 1419 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,800 Speaker 4: Then he got yeah he got he got put into 1420 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,880 Speaker 4: as Yet. That wasn't his his get up. 1421 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 11: I know where does he live now? 1422 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,160 Speaker 8: He's he's actually back in New York. 1423 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,360 Speaker 3: And I just talked to him two days ago. 1424 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 11: Okay, I just meant like, what kind of houses you 1425 01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:51,680 Speaker 11: living in? 1426 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:52,240 Speaker 9: Trump Tower? 1427 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,160 Speaker 8: That's no, no, no, he's not he's not not not 1428 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,599 Speaker 8: not quite that now. 1429 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,000 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask me. He faced that question when 1430 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,400 Speaker 2: he did the show. But you know, we had such 1431 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 2: a good vibe. I didn't want to be like, I 1432 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,280 Speaker 2: tell you, I'll tell you this dude. 1433 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 4: He's the one thing with face man and I tell 1434 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 4: you and and I'm sure the guys can vouch man. 1435 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,559 Speaker 4: One thing that though we wrote, we though we wrote 1436 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,920 Speaker 4: pretty good songs, we learned how to critique our own. 1437 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,000 Speaker 3: Ability to write songs by writing with this guy. Meaning 1438 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,640 Speaker 3: you would hear him. He would write a song, he 1439 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,920 Speaker 3: would write a lyric or verse, and he would sing 1440 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:37,200 Speaker 3: it over. 1441 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,519 Speaker 4: He would play it over and over again, and he 1442 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 4: take out a word, he put another word in, He 1443 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,920 Speaker 4: take out another word, put another word in. Now, if 1444 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,719 Speaker 4: all of us were listening, we'd be like, it flows 1445 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:54,040 Speaker 4: just fine. His theory, and it's really interesting theory. 1446 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:55,400 Speaker 3: His theory is. 1447 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,759 Speaker 4: The song will never be done and till you stop, 1448 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,440 Speaker 4: because if you don't stop, if you're a good enough songwriter, 1449 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,240 Speaker 4: you'll always find a better. 1450 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,639 Speaker 1: Way to turn a way to make it better. 1451 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,360 Speaker 4: So eventually, it's not about how good you are as 1452 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:19,040 Speaker 4: a songwriter. It's when you know and have the ability. 1453 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:25,120 Speaker 3: To stop, right because otherwise you just sit there. You 1454 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,640 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. He was, No, that's not and 1455 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,200 Speaker 3: somebody like him, Like we learned how to. 1456 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,840 Speaker 4: Put certain notes on certain words because people would hear 1457 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,400 Speaker 4: it's a it's a it's let's just say it was 1458 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,479 Speaker 4: a major third chord that hit the home run of 1459 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,800 Speaker 4: a song, like what's the song saying cash? 1460 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:47,880 Speaker 3: So I'm drinking and. 1461 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,280 Speaker 9: Will be there? 1462 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,880 Speaker 4: Like the way he puts certain words that lands on 1463 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,639 Speaker 4: certain chords there for you to remember those words. 1464 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,760 Speaker 3: You ever notice when we think a song, we may 1465 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,600 Speaker 3: not always know the song. We'll go no no no, no, 1466 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,280 Speaker 3: no no no. And I love you because I love 1467 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,040 Speaker 3: you are the notes that he put there on purpose 1468 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,920 Speaker 3: that you he knew you were going to remember that part. 1469 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,439 Speaker 3: That's how he writes records, which is extremely interesting. 1470 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,680 Speaker 4: I never knew that before we sat with him, And 1471 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,400 Speaker 4: you don't really know unless you have the conversation. 1472 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,040 Speaker 6: About the funny thing about us the songwriter. 1473 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,640 Speaker 5: Think the funny thing about songwriters now too, in comparison 1474 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,400 Speaker 5: the songs that are out now that I listen to 1475 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:32,400 Speaker 5: the R and B songs. 1476 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,160 Speaker 6: To be specific, they were there. They're written a lot 1477 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:36,719 Speaker 6: like how. 1478 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 5: We used to write our songs previous, Like you know, 1479 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,920 Speaker 5: there were songs that we would write and we would 1480 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,320 Speaker 5: let baby face there, for example. 1481 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,600 Speaker 6: And he also would say, you. 1482 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,840 Speaker 5: Know, say less, thanks, you know, like with everything that 1483 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,400 Speaker 5: you're saying, you know, we would try to fit in 1484 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,400 Speaker 5: a sentiment I love you and everything and if we're 1485 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,080 Speaker 5: growing together and blah blah blah blah blah blah and 1486 01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,320 Speaker 5: all other stuff, and he would basically say say less, 1487 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,320 Speaker 5: like yeah, sometimes that's it. You don't need to say 1488 01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,680 Speaker 5: anything else. And and and I've noticed that a lot 1489 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,840 Speaker 5: of a lot of songs now with R and B Records, 1490 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 5: And I got a sixteen year old son, and he 1491 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,760 Speaker 5: can't even follow a lot of the lyrics that go 1492 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:19,200 Speaker 5: on with our artists because there's so much being said that. 1493 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,439 Speaker 1: They're almost trying to be rappers, you know what I mean. 1494 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,400 Speaker 10: It's almost like in the real rap I mean you 1495 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,320 Speaker 10: kind of I mean, if we're gonna keep it all 1496 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,560 Speaker 10: the way funky, we kind of got to me. 1497 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,479 Speaker 1: I think we kind of got boned to blame for that. 1498 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,160 Speaker 1: Like me, you would talk, you know, but. 1499 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,919 Speaker 4: We were taught in songwriting that you have to understand 1500 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,519 Speaker 4: that the average audience of who you're writing for, you 1501 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,360 Speaker 4: gotta look at them as happen in seventh grade education, 1502 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,559 Speaker 4: it can't give them too much. 1503 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,160 Speaker 3: You gotta get right to the point so they'll never 1504 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:50,280 Speaker 3: forget it. 1505 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,640 Speaker 10: Said the same thing we had him, and he was 1506 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,640 Speaker 10: saying he was like all that Parliament. He said, Man, 1507 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,080 Speaker 10: I was just trying to write nursery rhymes. 1508 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's what it was. 1509 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,880 Speaker 4: Ship Face just has you tell you it's deeper than 1510 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:09,479 Speaker 4: his songwriting, dude, it's his freaking melodies. His melodies are 1511 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,200 Speaker 4: things that just they just live inside you. 1512 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:12,559 Speaker 3: Dude. 1513 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,120 Speaker 4: They're like to answer your question because I know you 1514 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 4: asked this question about the this could be the last question. 1515 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:18,840 Speaker 7: It went more. 1516 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:23,240 Speaker 4: For I never really had a person that I met 1517 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:27,360 Speaker 4: in the business that I felt that way about that. 1518 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:28,160 Speaker 8: Oh my god. 1519 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,880 Speaker 4: They kind of lit me up because my favorite, my 1520 01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 4: favorite person that passed away already was was Sam Cook. 1521 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,920 Speaker 4: I was a big Sam Cook soul stirs fan, Highway 1522 01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,680 Speaker 4: q ses like all that. I grew up on that, 1523 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,320 Speaker 4: you know, Southern gospel stuff and San. 1524 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:46,639 Speaker 8: Guys. I'm in Chicago. 1525 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,679 Speaker 2: Yeah No, I figured at least Bobby Woman could feel 1526 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:52,479 Speaker 2: that voice exactly. 1527 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 8: So I grew up with all that. 1528 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,880 Speaker 4: But I will tell you that Face for me on 1529 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,200 Speaker 4: the songwriting aspect was the only person because I mean, 1530 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,200 Speaker 4: I love Jimmy's Jam and Terry Lewis because of it 1531 01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,120 Speaker 4: feels and the things that they did. But I always 1532 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:13,080 Speaker 4: wanted to know how this guy was able to write 1533 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,519 Speaker 4: the song where the Again, it's always intriguing to me 1534 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,000 Speaker 4: how he puts the right notes on the right words 1535 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,800 Speaker 4: right lyric means everything to a song. Dude, I don't 1536 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,080 Speaker 4: care what your people used to say, Well, here I 1537 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,720 Speaker 4: got a poem. Can you make this into a song? 1538 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,679 Speaker 4: It's not that simple. Unless you know how to physically 1539 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,120 Speaker 4: put the right words on to the right note that 1540 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,439 Speaker 4: people remember, it's not going to have the significance. He 1541 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 4: is a genius at figuring out the best way to 1542 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,920 Speaker 4: do that to where if you don't know the words, 1543 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,519 Speaker 4: you just hum the melody and then maybe three words 1544 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,040 Speaker 4: you know, And it's on those notes that he. 1545 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,920 Speaker 3: Made sure he put there on purpose. 1546 01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,960 Speaker 4: That that's the guy that if you ask me in 1547 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,439 Speaker 4: my career, that I kind of was being around him 1548 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,600 Speaker 4: and working with him, that that was all struck for me. 1549 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,320 Speaker 10: Face was like that for me, you know what I'm saying, 1550 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,519 Speaker 10: just as a as a you know, songwriter, like I 1551 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,400 Speaker 10: would study him and Face and he was kind of 1552 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,479 Speaker 10: like him and Stevie were my two. Like when you 1553 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,679 Speaker 10: talk about like putting you know the power of this melody. 1554 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,720 Speaker 10: Stevie was just someone who his melodies would be like 1555 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,439 Speaker 10: very simple and you could just sing it. But the 1556 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:29,040 Speaker 10: ship he playing under that ship, nigga, you know what 1557 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,200 Speaker 10: I mean? Like you know, piano players. 1558 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,400 Speaker 1: Could never agree. It's like, well, I know, I think 1559 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,960 Speaker 1: this is an F thirteen. 1560 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:39,280 Speaker 4: Don't know. 1561 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,439 Speaker 8: You can't see the ship. 1562 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,000 Speaker 1: Right, you don't know. He just feels just feel. 1563 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:48,920 Speaker 8: Well paid. Bill. 1564 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:56,040 Speaker 2: I think this episode officially tops the Huey Lewis episode 1565 01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,840 Speaker 2: as the most educational. 1566 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,880 Speaker 1: Wow education. This is high level game right here. Bro, 1567 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,559 Speaker 1: This like you know, talking to I did more listening. 1568 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,120 Speaker 14: Man should teach choral music at at the universities because 1569 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,200 Speaker 14: clearly they be real. 1570 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,080 Speaker 7: I'm like I would take that class. 1571 01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,000 Speaker 8: I mean just guess I. 1572 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:28,559 Speaker 7: Put some I got wine. 1573 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,960 Speaker 9: So the man, Thank you, Bro, you know what I'm saying. 1574 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,800 Speaker 9: Thank you for always being real. 1575 01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,920 Speaker 13: Always thank you the same every time we see you, Man, 1576 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,360 Speaker 13: it's always the same. 1577 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,360 Speaker 9: It's like we left off. 1578 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:42,680 Speaker 12: Man. 1579 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,040 Speaker 9: You know you're a real brother. You really really loved 1580 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,760 Speaker 9: over here, man, and anytime you need us, you know what. 1581 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,880 Speaker 4: And I'm telling you I don't do much ship in 1582 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:53,400 Speaker 4: Corona without getting paid nigga. 1583 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:54,680 Speaker 12: So you you. 1584 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,200 Speaker 6: Mos, ladies and gentlemen. 1585 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:04,360 Speaker 9: Like, this is all. 1586 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,200 Speaker 8: This is all kappa. 1587 01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,960 Speaker 1: My guys love we love we love that or I 1588 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:10,720 Speaker 1: appreciate that. 1589 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,120 Speaker 2: I love you guys. This is much man all right, well, guys, 1590 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,760 Speaker 2: thank you this. I'm not blowing smoke. I this is 1591 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,479 Speaker 2: this is this should have been a master number two niggas. 1592 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,360 Speaker 2: Man boy, this should have been a masterclass. Thank you 1593 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:25,840 Speaker 2: very much. 1594 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate this. On behalf man for real. Thank y'all, 1595 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,040 Speaker 1: Thank y'all for real. 1596 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,880 Speaker 10: Y'all made every slow jam tape I ever made for 1597 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,559 Speaker 10: a girl from like seven when when y'all made. 1598 01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:41,880 Speaker 6: Was having. 1599 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:52,400 Speaker 8: Just wait, wait, don't you call them butt tape. Let's 1600 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,679 Speaker 8: be let's be real. 1601 01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,240 Speaker 3: My crew will tell you we used to call you 1602 01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,720 Speaker 3: with a butt tape because. 1603 01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,760 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, okay, I promise you this is the last question. 1604 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,519 Speaker 2: This is the last question because you guys have kids now, 1605 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,200 Speaker 2: watching your kids and seeing how gen Z is, do 1606 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:18,000 Speaker 2: you have hope musical hope for the future. And I'm 1607 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,680 Speaker 2: not and I'm not you know, I'm not trying to 1608 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 2: make this at like from the old guy. 1609 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,519 Speaker 4: I'm what you does, and I'll speak because I guess 1610 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,960 Speaker 4: my son that's involved in music right now is the oldest. 1611 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,280 Speaker 4: I do have a little hope he grew up with us. 1612 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:38,560 Speaker 4: He understands it, he shares it with his friends. He 1613 01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,320 Speaker 4: can see the difference now. I was always concerned that 1614 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,840 Speaker 4: most kids nowadays can't see the difference. I was also 1615 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,479 Speaker 4: concerned that we would turn into our grandparents or our 1616 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,599 Speaker 4: father's like, oh, well, we don't like that, But there 1617 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,200 Speaker 4: really is something to the music that we've done. Because 1618 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,760 Speaker 4: if you notice the nineties and everything is starting to 1619 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,200 Speaker 4: come back around because a lot of these kids just 1620 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,920 Speaker 4: weren't exposed to it. I think the exposure is more 1621 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,400 Speaker 4: important than anything. They will make the right decisions, but 1622 01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 4: they have to be exposed. 1623 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,880 Speaker 10: I saw that, and to your point, and they I 1624 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,120 Speaker 10: saw that a couple of years ago when they had 1625 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,439 Speaker 10: it was it was a social media thing where they 1626 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,000 Speaker 10: had My the Running Man Challenge or whatever, but everybody 1627 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,200 Speaker 10: was dancing to my Boo by ghost Town DJs, and 1628 01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,439 Speaker 10: I saw like a bunch of kids, It's like, oh, 1629 01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:28,519 Speaker 10: what is this song? And like that was one of 1630 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,920 Speaker 10: the first times I saw a song from like ninety six. 1631 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,439 Speaker 10: That song is from ninety six. That shit reentered. 1632 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: It went like number one again after like however, like 1633 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,200 Speaker 1: twenty plus. 1634 01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,439 Speaker 8: They just got to be exposed. 1635 01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,679 Speaker 1: Man, it's got to be exposed. It's happened to Fleetwood 1636 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,320 Speaker 1: Mac right now, yeah, exactly? 1637 01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:45,639 Speaker 4: Is that now? 1638 01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,519 Speaker 2: The top five songs in twenty twenty one built like 1639 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,240 Speaker 2: crazy craz telling you man the melodies. 1640 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:52,799 Speaker 8: Man, it's happened. 1641 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,679 Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, I thank you very much from the bottom 1642 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:57,200 Speaker 1: of my heart. 1643 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:57,320 Speaker 3: For doing it. 1644 01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,599 Speaker 10: Thank y'all, brothers, man, for real, this is gon amazing 1645 01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,280 Speaker 10: your town. Oh man, Like, just thank y'all for everything. 1646 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:04,439 Speaker 10: Thank you for the music for real. 1647 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,880 Speaker 1: Find Tickeolo and La Laser Hair Removal formerly known as. 1648 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:14,840 Speaker 8: Big Bill. 1649 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:17,599 Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you on the next go around 1650 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,600 Speaker 2: a quest Love Supreme on Quest Love sounding oft I 1651 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:20,599 Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next time. 1652 01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,320 Speaker 8: Thank you. Hey, this is Sugar Steve. 1653 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,080 Speaker 2: Make sure you keep up with us on Instagram at 1654 01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,680 Speaker 2: q LS and let us know what we think and 1655 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,360 Speaker 2: who should be next to sit down with us. 1656 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,240 Speaker 6: Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. 1657 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,640 Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 1658 01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,160 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeart radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 1659 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,439 Speaker 2: Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.