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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with you.

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Speaker 2: We've got a very special guest for you tonight. Michelle

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Speaker 2: Welch is highly accomplished in many fields. Author, I'll mention

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Speaker 2: some of her books again, psychic, intuitive, business and owner

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Speaker 2: of three Crystal stores in Dallas, Texas. A licensed lawyer

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Speaker 2: specializing in criminal and civil law. She's also a jury

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Speaker 2: selection consultant. Michelle was born and raised in Longview, Texas,

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Speaker 2: in a very religious family of four, and because of

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Speaker 2: her spiritual childhood, she always had a relationship with angels,

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Speaker 2: God and other spiritual beings. She attended Baylor Law School,

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Speaker 2: became a licensed attorney specializing in civil and criminal law,

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Speaker 2: and has retained to utilize her intuitive abilities for jury

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Speaker 2: selections and high profile cases. Michelle, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: to be here.

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Speaker 2: This is amazing your background and your work. We will

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Speaker 2: get into a lot of this. But when did this

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Speaker 2: all start for you?

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Speaker 3: It started as long as I can remember, honestly, and

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Speaker 3: then for as long as I can remember, I tried

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Speaker 3: to pretend like I had none of it. I was

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Speaker 3: a little bitty and running around in church saying things

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Speaker 3: that I probably shouldn't have been saying, singing Heart the

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Speaker 3: Herald Angel sing and I'd be like, and there they are,

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Speaker 3: and I'd get in trouble at her. Right. So it

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Speaker 3: started when I was really little and me seeing things

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Speaker 3: that we would talk about in church.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got five children, you own these two crystal

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Speaker 2: shops in Dallas, you were practicing attorney. Still, you're doing

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Speaker 2: a podcast, and you were psychic medium as well. How

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Speaker 2: do you have the time to do all this well?

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Speaker 3: I think I just delegate somewhat fairly well, and then

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Speaker 3: I just space it out. That's what I think I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: I hope I'm doing it well and not spreading myself

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Speaker 3: self to them. But that's what I'm trying to do.

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Speaker 2: In some of these high profile law cases that you

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Speaker 2: use your psyche, your intuitive ability. Tell me how that works.

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Speaker 3: I do so, and usually I don't talk about it.

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Speaker 3: I don't even put it on my bio. But for

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Speaker 3: this book I got permission to talk about a couple

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Speaker 3: of cases. And so the way I usually do it

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Speaker 3: is the investigators will come to me and instead of

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Speaker 3: grave on the side of the road, which is what

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Speaker 3: they usually hear from just about you know, the people

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Speaker 3: who call in and that they don't know and they

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Speaker 3: don't trust. But the interesting thing that has happened recently

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Speaker 3: to me, and one of the most high profile cases

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Speaker 3: that I worked on in the Dallas area that ended

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Speaker 3: up being on I wasn't on dateline, but the case

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Speaker 3: to talk about something completely different and she was wanting

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Speaker 3: a mediumship reading on like how her boyfriend was killed

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Speaker 3: I was like, you know when you're in school and

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Speaker 3: pit me, pit me. Well, there was a spirit coming

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Speaker 3: through to me like that, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I started telling her about this girl. And it had

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Speaker 3: not been broadcast. And I do know the DA's in

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Speaker 3: anything about this and I try to not watch. And

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Speaker 3: I started explaining some things to her that this spirit

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Speaker 3: the reason she didn't want to be found and the girls,

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Speaker 3: the person my clients jaw drops and she says, I've

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Speaker 3: got to stop this reading. I need to call somebody.

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Speaker 3: Will you call this family? And I said it's fine,

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Speaker 3: comfortable doing that. Fast forward. I ended up sitting in

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Speaker 3: She was happy that her family was coming together to

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Speaker 3: this search. So that was her perspective, which was compression

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Speaker 2: Perspective, and she was probably assuming on the other side,

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Speaker 2: the longer they keep looking for her, the longer they'll

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Speaker 2: stay connected together as a family.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, it absolutely exactly was her perspective's so different than

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Speaker 2: Once she was discovered, her body was discovered, what happened

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Speaker 3: I think they'd stayed close. I think that they as

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Speaker 3: never really did go and talk to them family. I

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Speaker 3: just didn't want to be that person that rushes in here.

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Speaker 3: Let me come save the day and tell you everything.

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Speaker 3: The client is good friends. The family is a god

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Speaker 3: that they're doing really well and they have stayed in

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Speaker 2: So, wow, did you get your abilities from somebody in

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Speaker 3: I thought I did not, And I'm very careful how

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Speaker 3: I say. I would say, it's interesting because all my

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Speaker 3: a way, they had abilities, but they would they would

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Speaker 3: classify those as different, and I'm very respectful of how

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Speaker 3: they would classify their abilities as different than mine. They

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Speaker 3: would not say that my abilities are the same. They

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Speaker 3: would call them the gifts of discernment and exhortation or

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Speaker 3: something like that. But I did find out later and

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Speaker 3: remembered that there was an aunt of mine that always

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Speaker 3: she had different things. And not that I used cards

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Speaker 3: how I lean towards things like that. But she knew

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Speaker 3: believe that that aunt had a lot of giftings that

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Speaker 3: I've probably got things from. But my parents were a

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Speaker 3: strange from her for much of our life until they

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Speaker 3: as you know, reconciling. And I think that's partially why

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Speaker 2: Now you have dealt with angels, ghosts, demons, all all

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Speaker 2: of the above, which are the ones that you would

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Speaker 2: prefer to stay away from? I would assume the demons.

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Speaker 3: Demons, and within demons, I would say a typical not

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Speaker 3: all predatory, but I don't think so. I think there's

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Speaker 3: can I don't want to. I don't want to underestimate

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Speaker 3: any demon, but predatory spirits. Uh. And I thought about

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Speaker 3: there's as long as if there's nothing, there's no prey.

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Speaker 3: And so the predatory spirits, where they're they're preying on someone,

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Speaker 3: to me is particularly andious those types of demons, and

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Speaker 3: I will call them demons just and that's probably because

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Speaker 3: of my upbringing. But good, evil, whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: Michelle tell us about your book, Spirits Unveiled.

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Speaker 3: So I wrote the book because of feeling very crowded

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Speaker 3: I kind of feel with spirits around all of a sudden.

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Speaker 3: look around at other people and be like, don't you

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Speaker 3: judge friends and lawyer friends, and they handled it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know about ten years ago, twelve years ago that

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Speaker 3: that explains it and laughed at me, and they're like,

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Speaker 3: this book because I thought, you know, surely some other

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Speaker 3: I want people to know that maybe they don't connect

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Speaker 3: out there. It's not an encyclopedia beings. It's the one

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Speaker 3: how that I've dealt with them in my life, and

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Speaker 2: And there's an amazing gift that you possess, what you've

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Speaker 2: had since you were a child. And at what point

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Speaker 3: I was really young, and but here's the thing, I

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Speaker 3: didn't know it was a gift.

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Speaker 2: I thought everybody was everybody had the psychic ability. Huh.

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Speaker 3: I thought everybody is this way, and I literally this

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Speaker 3: is so. I mean, this just shows time. Maybe it

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Speaker 3: And then when we were going to go to Granmart

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Speaker 3: And I said, Uncle Denseil, why do you have I'll

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Speaker 3: The worms in your brain, the worms in your brain.

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Speaker 2: And the worms, to you, was the tumor.

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Speaker 3: Right, It was the tumor stuff moving around in his brain.

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Speaker 3: It was cancer in his brain. But I didn't know

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, and this ability has it enhanced itself over

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Speaker 3: So for a while, like I said, I spent some

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Speaker 3: to use that logic. I did everything I could to

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Speaker 3: how intelligent I was, and let's do the most I can.

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Speaker 3: to show that, you know, it's not just me being strange,

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Speaker 3: that I can actually graduate from law school early. I

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Speaker 3: accomplish all these things and ignore it and take these

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Speaker 3: and say, it all comes together and Divine God puts things.

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Speaker 2: Michelle have you ever been tricked by a spirit or

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Speaker 3: I think maybe I have a great question, because I

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Speaker 3: and I'll make it quick. I do not believe in

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Speaker 2: Right, or you're gonna die or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Anything like that. Young lawyers do that too. They'll get

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