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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you Where with Steve Gregory, host of Unsolved, a

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Speaker 1: radio program that you can hear on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Steve, We've got psychics that come on

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Speaker 1: our show quite often, as you know, and some of

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Speaker 1: them deal with police departments and agencies, and they have

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Speaker 1: gone to the police to tell them about evidence that

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Speaker 1: they have psychically seen that only the killer would know.

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Speaker 1: And I've always told them, I said, you got to

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Speaker 1: be careful. They're going to look at you as the

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Speaker 1: perpetrator for crying out loan. You know, it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: detectives will tell you what the official stances on stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, because some agencies won't even use genealogy, they

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Speaker 1: won't even use psychics. But if you talk to a

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Speaker 1: detective off to the side, they're willing to explore any

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Speaker 1: anything to get that exactly case solved. Yeah, exactly. Now,

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Speaker 1: since you've been doing this, us and more cases are

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Speaker 1: beginning to grow. Infestor is there one type of story

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Speaker 1: you haven't handled yet that you wish you would that's

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Speaker 1: a good one too, you know. I we're looking at

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Speaker 1: some really interesting stories. Everyone's so fixated on homicides because

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Speaker 1: that human psyche really, for some reason loves the maccabre.

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Speaker 1: They love that dark side of everything, and it always

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Speaker 1: comes back to murder and mayhem. But we're also exploring

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Speaker 1: some unknown cases of like what goes on in the forests.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking with the United States Forest

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Speaker 1: Service and we're gonna be talking with their law enforcement

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Speaker 1: people about the unsolved crimes inside forests. We're also going

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Speaker 1: to tell people of disappearing yeah, and arsons, unsolved arsons,

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Speaker 1: unsolved cyber crimes. We've got a lot of different types

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Speaker 1: of crimes we want to look at, and unsolved cases

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Speaker 1: that are not all related to murder. Most of these detectives,

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Speaker 1: as you say, publicly, kind of back off privately. They

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Speaker 1: want to use as much help as they can get,

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Speaker 1: don't they. Of course, of course, I mean they're so tenacious.

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Speaker 1: They're willing to explore almost anything. Very open minded up

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Speaker 1: all options. And all ideas, and it really helps to

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Speaker 1: they're not ashamed to try different types of of input,

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Speaker 1: different types of ideas, different types of things that might

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Speaker 1: help them solve a crime. And I've talked to mediums.

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Speaker 1: Before I talked to a medium, I talked to psychics

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Speaker 1: about some cases I had worked on, and I had

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Speaker 1: stands up on my arms and back of my neck

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Speaker 1: because they're so accurate. Steve, will you interview convicted criminals

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Speaker 1: like Sir Hand, Sir Hand, and people like that I

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Speaker 1: have before interviewed. I interviewed an individual he was the

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Speaker 1: first bomber of the World Trade Center and nineteen ninety three, right, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I interviewed him at the Supermax facility in Colorado, And

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Speaker 1: that was actually an interview I did in cooperation with

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, the creepiest interviews to do are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts, Steve on what creates the serial killer? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's all of the above. You know John Douglas, the

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Speaker 1: and the things that he learned learned responses and all

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Speaker 1: hour with Steve Gregory as we talk about unsolved situations,

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Speaker 1: murders and other crime stories as well. Would you ever

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Speaker 1: bet I would. There's a lot of incredible stories out there,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, George. In Southern California alone, it's estimated

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Speaker 1: more than ten thousand cases, close to fifteen thousand unsolved

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Speaker 1: these cases. They don't have enough, you know. The Los

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Speaker 1: the country. Is there such thing as the perfect crime? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have been told that. Think about it, an unsolved

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Speaker 1: a tech expert on that. When there. Yeah, she's on

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Speaker 1: She gets killed in this stray bullet. Then one of

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Speaker 1: the cars take off. So then end of story. Well,

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Speaker 1: then fast forward twenty nine years later, bringing it up

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Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, a detective at the Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles County Sheriff's Department gets a call from this woman

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Speaker 1: and she says, Hey, if you can help my boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: I may have information for you about a murder that

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Speaker 1: happened twenty nine years ago. The detectives are like, well,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give me more than that. So

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Speaker 1: they end up flying down to Texas to meet this

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Speaker 1: woman's boyfriend. The woman's boyfriend provides him with all this detail,

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Speaker 1: all this information, including where the murder weapons at. What

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Speaker 1: did he want? He just wanted to be able to

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Speaker 1: transfer down to Texas and serve out the rest of

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Speaker 1: his time in another state. He wanted to be able

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Speaker 1: And so what happened was he said, well, when they

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Speaker 1: said where's the murder weapon, he says, well, you guys

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Speaker 1: have it. And the detective's like, what do you mean.

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Speaker 1: He says, well, not you, per se, but the San

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Speaker 1: Bernardino County Sheriff's Department has the weapons in the locker.

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Speaker 1: It's locked up here exactly. Come to find out, after

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Speaker 1: that gang shot up that other gang in front of

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Speaker 1: of Los Angeles in Rialto, and they were trying to

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Speaker 1: rob a gun shop out there, got into an officer

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Speaker 1: involved shooting situation, and in California, all weapons with an

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Speaker 1: officer involved shooting are kept indefinitely, so that weapon was

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Speaker 1: in el Monty until this guy put it together. They

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Speaker 1: did a ballistics test, and there you go, twenty nine

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Speaker 1: years later, just because this one lady wanted her boyfriend

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Speaker 1: to be closer to her. Do you ever take a stand,

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Speaker 1: Steve on gun ownership or concealed weapons or anything like that? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I really don't talk about all that I am.

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Speaker 1: I just kind of keep to myself on it. I

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Speaker 1: support a person's right to bear arms that I support

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Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, and as I support all of the

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Speaker 1: Bill of Rights, so I have no issues with it

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Speaker 1: one way or another. I have no problems going out

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Speaker 1: and shooting web. A lot of officers will invite me

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Speaker 1: to go to the shooting range crossbow. I enjoy shooting

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Speaker 1: crossbow strangely enough, but um, are you good at that?

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Speaker 1: I am, actually, and I'm also very good at I

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Speaker 1: would not put an apple on my head and have

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Speaker 1: me to take a shot. You don't trust me. Listen

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