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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by Draftings. I'm Garrett Downing,

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Speaker 1: drawn by Clifton Brown. Today we're so excited to sit

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Speaker 1: down with Charles Davis from the NFL Network, one of

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Speaker 1: the best draft analysts out there.

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Speaker 2: So you so kind. I know, you know, you know

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Speaker 2: we go way back. You you know, we go way back.

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Speaker 2: This man helped me navigate the PGA Tour world. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: back in the days of our golf time. I was

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Speaker 2: a I was the first black tournament director in PGA

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Speaker 2: Tour history, and men like him helped guide me along

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Speaker 2: the way, made sure I didn't make too many stumbles,

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Speaker 2: kept me on track, taught me a bunch of things.

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Speaker 2: I will be forever indebted to this man right here.

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Speaker 2: That's man and the PGA Tour was like, can we

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Speaker 2: get him at it, tell him to go do some

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Speaker 2: football or something.

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Speaker 1: We might just we just might make this a conversation,

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Speaker 1: golf conversation. We say the draft song for another day.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you if we ever have that conversation,

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Speaker 2: Clifton I, we can tell you a few things we

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Speaker 2: saw we saw for that time.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's an off the books conversation.

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Speaker 2: You guys are invited to.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, Charles, just in terms of football, when you

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Speaker 1: look at the Baltimore Ravens and this team, look your

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Speaker 1: former defensive back yourself. If you're looking at this team

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Speaker 1: and just draft wise, what do you think stands out

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Speaker 1: about the direction that they could go in addressing this

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Speaker 1: team and getting this defense back to the level that

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Speaker 1: people in Baltimore expected to play at.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. I actually wrote down a few notes. Okay, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's get into it to it, you know, and I'm

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Speaker 2: writing down what I think priorities, you know, edge guys,

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Speaker 2: defensive lineman, you know, keep keep forward to fying because

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Speaker 2: everything I keep hearing about, unfortunately justin Madabike and the

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Speaker 2: injury might not be positive news. So you gotta do

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Speaker 2: you do? That offensive line very interesting deal because it

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Speaker 2: certainly looked like in the makings of a group that

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Speaker 2: was going to be around a while. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: that's the case. Plus, you gotta prepare for Ronnie Stanley,

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Speaker 2: all right, who you know, when's that day going to come?

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Speaker 2: Things of that nature. Cornerback safety always always a consideration,

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Speaker 2: especially in this league, used to be when we were younger.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is me you could never have enough

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Speaker 2: running backs. Now you can never have enough corner safety receivers.

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Speaker 2: You just can't. Like there's no number that's too big.

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Speaker 2: So those are kind of places that I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: anticipating and looking. The interesting part is picking at fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Some of those edge rushers I've talked about, the biggest

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Speaker 2: ones should be gone at that point. Do the the

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Speaker 2: Ravens value someone there? What about the offensive line because

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Speaker 2: some of those big tackles should be now and Noah

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Speaker 2: and Fano and those guys probably gone. Do they fit

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Speaker 2: into this conversation another safety to go along with a

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Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton type, you know, and then this kid out

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Speaker 2: of Toledo. I think, I think it's terrific, Absolutely terrific.

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Speaker 2: So we can go out all day with it. But

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Speaker 2: a lot of different places. And for the beauty is

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Speaker 2: with Jesse Minter coming in as your new head coach,

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Speaker 2: it just feels like a continuation of what Baltimore does. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I know it's not going to be John Harbaugh,

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Speaker 3: Interesting Now, one position you didn't mention prominently was wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yet I'm seeing a lot of mock drafts link the

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Speaker 3: Ravens to a wide receivers with fourteen including Jordan Davis

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Speaker 3: Arizona State. I'm just curious about him. Yeah, type of

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Speaker 3: skill set that he brings, what do you think of him?

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Speaker 3: And why would that be a player who fits into

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Speaker 3: the Ravens offense.

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Speaker 2: He's a really good player in terms of good size,

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Speaker 2: good speed. The Ravens have have tended all right, other

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Speaker 2: than number four, to have receivers of stature, right Bateman,

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Speaker 2: you know, just just right on down the lawne. That's

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Speaker 2: where this kid fits. The interesting part is gonna be

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Speaker 2: his medical because he's been hurt a bunch of Arizona

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Speaker 2: nice year last year, wasn't hurt blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: But he's had that and there's been some concentration drops

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Speaker 2: that I've seen on tape, and I've got a lot

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Speaker 2: more work to do, but I've seen him, and you

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Speaker 2: just wonder about that, And he's right in that grouping

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Speaker 2: with Do you like him? Do you like Carnell? Taida,

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Speaker 2: what was the last first round and receiver Bateman? They

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Speaker 2: Flowers and Zay's just a dart man, just an absolute

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Speaker 2: dark but Bateman was more of that big, strong, physical

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Speaker 2: guy that you throw to after the running game beats

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Speaker 2: and there you go. Yeah, so we'll see we see

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Speaker 2: where they go offensively too, because that's been the game before.

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Speaker 2: But you guys saw last year with Lamar being hurt

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Speaker 1: Right, Charles. Something I always enjoy asking you every year

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Speaker 1: of the combine is the Ravens have a great track

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Speaker 1: record of finding a player that drops for one reason

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you go back to it, asking all the

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Speaker 2: people who overthought it. Yeah, exactly. It's like how they

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Speaker 2: Overthoughtterrell sucks and they overthought Kyle Hamilton, and wasn't it

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Speaker 2: both because of one thing? Right? Neither one of them

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Speaker 2: was fast, right?

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Speaker 2: Right? They didn't their time speed was not good, so

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Speaker 2: everyone overthought it dropped them and the Ravens are like, well,

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Speaker 2: we don't overthink it. They're really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like so the question is then, obviously,

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Speaker 1: this week at the combine, every the speed comes up

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Speaker 1: almost find yourself rooting for a guy to not run fast,

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Speaker 1: and then he's available to you at fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Oh you watched it? Do you watch those GM tapes

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Speaker 2: out right when they like a guy and like everybody's like,

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Speaker 2: He's a good play, right, So like, who could who?

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Speaker 1: In your mind? Is there someone that comes to mind,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the testing, whether it's the positional value that

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Speaker 1: you think everyone else could overthink. But then on draft

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Speaker 1: night you're sitting there saying, how did he fall to

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you one. It's gonna be very interesting

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Speaker 2: think that he can do. Kyle Lewis the linebacker safety

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Speaker 2: Bowl week that was just just off the charts. Everyone

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Speaker 2: play them at linebacker. He's a two hundred twenty two

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Speaker 2: certain situations or certain or certain defenses, I think he may.

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Speaker 2: He plays that really well because Kylee Hamilton's about what

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Speaker 2: two twenty and long, right, Derwin James two fifteen to

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Speaker 2: part about it is we're all searching for those guys.

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Speaker 2: And I had someone to you know, talking about a

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Speaker 2: worries this, and he got done, and I went, Okay,

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Speaker 2: name the next one because most of the Nichols are

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Speaker 2: still gonna look like Nichols. Yeah, all right, those guys

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Speaker 2: he hasn't played that style. Downs from Ohio State is

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Speaker 2: the best safety in the draft, but he hasn't played

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Speaker 2: that style. He's a different guy. He's gonna be back

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Speaker 2: there and he's gonna patrol everything. He's gonna make all

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Speaker 2: a top ten talent, which would be interesting to see

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Speaker 2: where he goes in the draft. But that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be very interesting to see where he's not just taken,

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Speaker 2: with this, who was a kid. We had a Clemson

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Speaker 2: Every Isaiya Simmons Simons, right, I Saya Simmons, he can

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Speaker 2: play anywhere. He can play everywhere. It's what I used

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Speaker 2: to say, what I say about coaches where I call

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Speaker 2: it whiteboard fever all right. Back in the day, he's

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Speaker 2: called blackboard fever, right, because that was when you have chalk,

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Speaker 2: and now I have the whiteboard in the markers, right,

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Speaker 2: whiteboard fever is, Oh, this player, I can play him here,

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Speaker 2: I can play him here, I can do this with him,

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Speaker 2: I can drop him here, I can do this in

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Speaker 2: this coverage. And then you have one confused player who

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Speaker 2: can't do anything. Isaiah Simmons never got it. They couldn't

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Speaker 2: find the right spot for him, even worry Irwin James,

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Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton. They got it. They got it, but I'm

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Speaker 2: guessing they went there some growing pains to get it right.

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Speaker 2: But can you get there and find that niche and

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Speaker 2: lot of Marcus Jones is run around playing nickel, right right.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about edge rushers, because I'm

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Speaker 3: hearing this draft is deep with that. Yeah, Ravens had

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Speaker 3: fifty four sacks and twenty four drop to thirty, which

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Speaker 3: is stunning, right right, did you say the Ravens, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 2: That's hown blieble. That's like Pittsburgh now blitzing exactly right.

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Speaker 3: So obviously that's something that Ravens want to change next season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually actually actually wrote down a few names,

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Speaker 2: if that's okay some of this, right, We talk about

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Speaker 2: Bailey and Baying at the top of the draft.

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Speaker 3: Forget they're going forget it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we're not getting there, right. Keldrick Falk from

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Speaker 2: Auburn is an interesting deal because I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 2: a quick and that's Trayvon Walker coming out of Georgia

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Speaker 2: because I wasn't asked to rush the pass or play

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Speaker 2: after play after play after play. So do we believe

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Speaker 2: he's that type of a pass rusher or is he

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Speaker 2: much more of a piece where he can rush it

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Speaker 2: drop all that? All I know is this, I'm not

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Speaker 2: taking a pass rusher in the first round that doesn't

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Speaker 2: actually rush the passer. Okay, That becomes Dion Jordan. Remember

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Speaker 2: him coming out of Oregon. He dropped a lot and coverage.

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Speaker 2: We thought he could rush the passer, never really mastered it,

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Speaker 2: and with a high draft pick was used on a

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Speaker 2: great athlete and it just didn't work. Okay, So those

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Speaker 2: are the type of thing I'm looking at. Zion Young

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Speaker 2: out of Missouri had a good Senior Bowl week. There's

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Speaker 2: a Derek Moore out of Michigan who I think you

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Speaker 2: and be a good player. Gave Gabe Akas from from

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Speaker 1: Well, Larry Ravens is gonna have a lot of options.

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Speaker 2: you know, watch more golf.

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Speaker 3: As against Warm.

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Speaker 1: Next time we have you on. We're just doing golf

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Speaker 2: Appreciated, Charles, Thank you. Appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: Listening to the launch podcast. We're coming to you from

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Speaker 1: the Sea Gek Studio. We want to mention our partners

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Speaker 1: yours so big. Thanks to Charles Davis. Uh, sounds like

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Speaker 3: Yes, Uh, I don't know how podcasts appropriate two stories

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Speaker 1: So after hearing from him, what did you take away

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