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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Eating Wild Broke. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Colleen Witt, and today we have special guests. A Reva

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Speaker 1: Martin is in the building. We have civil rights attorney,

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Speaker 1: we have best selling authors, nonprofit leader. I don't know

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Speaker 1: anybody that is a female that has more titles than

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Speaker 1: you do. I have a lot of titles, but one

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Speaker 1: that I really love is that of mom. So don't

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Speaker 1: forget and your mom. I'm a mom, and I know

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Speaker 1: you're a new I just joined the mom club. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You may be a superhero. You may

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Speaker 1: be you may actually be a superhero. Moms are superheroes.

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Speaker 1: You got your I like that. I like that. I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited about having you here today. And I'm also

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Speaker 1: like nervous and overwhelmed because your resume says a lot

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Speaker 1: and you've done so much. Well. I am just like

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Speaker 1: you and every other mom that's dealing with raising kids,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, this crazy mixed up

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Speaker 1: world we live in, how to keep our kids safe,

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Speaker 1: how to make sure they grew up to be responsible, loving, caring,

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Speaker 1: nurturing adults. So hey, relax, We're here to cook today.

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Speaker 1: Cook and you came on eating while broke, which just

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Speaker 1: says a lot because I would have never Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: then on top of it, you're cooking one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite dishes and I had no idea how to make it.

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Speaker 1: So what are you cooking? I am making my classic

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Speaker 1: tuna melt. This is a dish that I perfected while

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Speaker 1: I was into all school and I was very, very

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Speaker 1: very broke. So I had to figure out Harvard. I

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Speaker 1: was broken her. I was broke away before I got

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Speaker 1: to Harvard, and I remained broke while I was at Harvard.

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Speaker 1: So I can figure out how to cook because you

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Speaker 1: could go out, you know, every night. I had the

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Speaker 1: kind of money, so I had to figure out how

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Speaker 1: I can make food that I could put a refrigerator

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Speaker 1: and eat, you know, on for a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: And I grew up. I always left tuna. Tuna was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, poor Man's caveat So I like that the

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Speaker 1: poor Man's cavears. You get your canra tuna, you open it.

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Speaker 1: You can make all kinds of things. So I started

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Speaker 1: making too melts, and I got pretty popular. My tona

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Speaker 1: melts were legendary and other people want to come over

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Speaker 1: and have I took melt with me. So I solved

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Speaker 1: a lot of problems and did a lot of studying

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Speaker 1: over tuna melts. Now, did you have to learn how

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Speaker 1: to make a tuna melt or did you feel yourself

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Speaker 1: through it? You know, I'm a kind of cook. I

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Speaker 1: grew up with my godmother and my grandmother and several aunts,

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Speaker 1: up a little bit from each of the women that

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Speaker 1: I grew up with. I'm not a recipe cook. I'm

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Speaker 1: very much like kind a brain cook and how I feel,

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Speaker 1: so it's a pinch of this, a pinch of that.

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Speaker 1: So I don't have, you know, precise measurements for how

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Speaker 1: great sounds like what ingredients are we're using today? So today,

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Speaker 1: for this legendary Harvard Law School cooking, while I'm broke

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Speaker 1: tuna milk, we have some classic tuna, tuna and water,

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Speaker 1: just two cans, just you know, at any local grower

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Speaker 1: store tuna. We have some slices of cheddar cheese, you know, again,

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Speaker 1: of celery chopped up. We have eggs, boiled eggs, really

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Speaker 1: important tuna to have eggs. I have pickle, relish mustard,

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Speaker 1: So not you know, elaborate. And the reason you can

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Speaker 1: make this while you're broke is because everything that all

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Speaker 1: so obviously and take the tuna that was drained open

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Speaker 1: it's red, Oh my god. And it's not hot. It's

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Speaker 1: not like chilly powder or any kind of spice. But

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Speaker 1: to taste it right. It's gonna be a good, clean cook.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna take a little and you have

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Speaker 1: law firms, you make a lot of money. Your first

424
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: paycheck is more than some people will ever make, uh

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00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: in their entire life. So you know, I'm growing up poor,

426
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: you know. So here I am making more money than

427
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: I could have ever imagined. And all my friends are

428
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: buying sports cars and you know, Mercedes and all these

429
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: big fancy cars, and a lot of us had moved

430
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: here from Boston and they were living here in l A.

431
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: They're moving to the beach there, you know, uh, moving

432
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: into these really expensive condos and expensive apartments, and my

433
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: first car and never own a car. My first car

434
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: was a ten year old Jetta. My car note was

435
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars and my friends thought I was absolutely

436
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: crazy because they're all driving these big Beamers and you know,

437
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: Mercedes and all these sportions and fancy cars. And my

438
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: first apartment was downtown l a off of McArthur Park,

439
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: so one bedroom, sporting and seventy five Why were you

440
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: living like that? Because I was wrote But I thought, oh,

441
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: I thought you said that you after Harvard, they were

442
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: paying you, but you still broke. I had all the

443
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: student owned debt, so I was making more money than

444
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, ungodly amount of money. But I had come

445
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: out of law school. I didn't nobody paid for that,

446
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: and I had to take out a lot of loans,

447
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: which is the reality of a lot of students who

448
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: graduated and lost. We have a lot of debt. So

449
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: my friends who were living large, they're just adding more

450
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: debt to the debt we already had. So when you

451
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: grow up in the Midwest, it's you know, you have

452
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: these u values that we grew up with, and you're

453
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: not gonna be out. We don't traditionally, you don't be

454
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: flossing in a big car and you got a lot

455
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: of debt. So my upbringing was like, yeah, you're making

456
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but you gotta pay down some

457
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: of this debt. So my friends, they were pretty cruel.

458
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: You don't know in high school if you were the

459
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: kid that didn't have a cool clothes, how the popular

460
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: kids would mock you and you know, make fun of you.

461
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: That what happened to me as an adult because my

462
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: r was old and I can remember, just like you said,

463
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: why were you living like that? My car broke down,

464
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: and this lady said the same thing to me, like

465
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: why are you driving that car with all this disdain

466
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: on her face? Because it's my car and I chose

467
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: a body act. Do you do you think that some

468
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: of your parents, their parents were paying it down or

469
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: do you think that they were in the same boat

470
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: where they were responsible for their dead It was a

471
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: mixed bag. I had some who didn't have debt because

472
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: they had wealthy parents, so they didn't even have the debt.

473
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: And I had others who they just like, you know,

474
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: a kid in the candy store, right it was their

475
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: first big check and they just lost their minds, But

476
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I saved as much of my

477
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: check as I could. I paid my little four seventy

478
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: five rent, I paid my little hundred cardinal, paid my

479
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: student loans. I was banking my money. Uh, and it

480
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: made it easier. So when I had to make the

481
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: decision to go out on my own and leave that

482
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: cushy job, I didn't have the pressure of like all

483
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: these bills, and I had cushion. I had savings. So

484
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: if it didn't work out, I told myself, hey, you

485
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: know what, I just go back to the firm and

486
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: get another job. So a lot of entrepreneurs, you know,

487
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: people want to become entrepreneurs, they're fearful that they don't

488
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: have that kind of financial cushion, Like what am I

489
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna do? How am I gonna pay my bills? So

490
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: I always knew I wanted to start my own firm

491
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: once I graduated, so I knew I needed to have

492
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: that cushion. So but trying to explain this to some relatives,

493
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: You're doing what leaving that job to go work like

494
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: in this tiny little office. So it was hard. And

495
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: even my friends too, Again they're disdained because seems like

496
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: you were an entrepreneur before you were attorney. You know,

497
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny thought process, because that's how entrepreneurs think,

498
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: is like produced as much of our personal overload so

499
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: we can take as much risk as possible. And it's

500
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: funny that you say that because my husband grew up

501
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: with a family of entrepreneurs. He's like been working for

502
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: himself since he was twelve. He's never had a quote

503
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: unquote job. I didn't really grow up that way. My

504
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: grandmother was a janitor, so she worked. She cleaned homes

505
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: in the daytime offices at night. So I didn't really

506
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: grow up in an entrepreneurial family. But I think it

507
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: was always just kind of a free spirit and I

508
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: was always a risk taker, so I wasn't afraid. And

509
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: when I left that job, I was like, you know what,

510
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: I got the first job, I'll get a second job.

511
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Did you always know you're going to go into work

512
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: for yourself as an attorney? When I graduated, I pretty

513
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: much had made up my mind that I wanted to

514
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: have control over the kinds of cases that I took.

515
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to have control over my work schedule. But

516
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, people think working for yourself is you

517
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: know Cake Wall. In those early days, I would leave

518
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: my apartment at nine. I didn't get back till midnight

519
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: because what I had to do. I had to do

520
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: the case work, the legal work in the daytime. Then

521
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: that nine I had to go hustle. I was new

522
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: to LN and know anyone, so I had to go

523
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: meet people. Had to go to clubs and parties and

524
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: gagas and wherever abody was having something where there would

525
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: be people. I had to be there because I had

526
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: to meet you to convince you to make me your lawyer.

527
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: So I had to hustle business at night. A lot

528
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: of times I would go back to the office at nine,

529
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night after having been out you know, networking, uh,

530
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: and then do some more work. So some nights I

531
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: got I'm like one o'clock in the morning. So it

532
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: was a grueling schedule. But I loved it. I love

533
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: the independence. I didn't mind. You know, I'm a hard

534
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: work I'm from saying Louis, you cannot outwork me, and

535
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I did. I was just happy. Now was the money

536
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: there as an entrepreneur in the beginning or no, no, no,

537
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: I was easing that and but it didn't matter to

538
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: me because I didn't have that pressure. So it's one

539
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: thing to be broken. You do owe anybody, but you

540
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: know when you owe everybody and your phone is blowing

541
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: up from bill collectors, that's a level of stress. And

542
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I did not want that stress. So that's why I

543
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: saved that money. And it okay, I could go without

544
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: a paycheck. Youah, no, I took a huge pay cut.

545
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: I mean it was what did your family say this

546
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: entire time while you're taking these pay cuts and hustling?

547
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: They thought I was crazy. You didn't go to Harvard

548
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: to do that. You could have gone to any school

549
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go hang out your shingo, what

550
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: are you doing? There was a lot of a lot

551
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: of shaming. I would call you know now we say

552
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: everything is shaming, A lot of shaming. It wasn't a

553
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: lot of support, and even my colleagues, a lot of

554
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: my friends were very Ariva Stone was left that job.

555
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: It was a lot of whispering. Uh, it was were

556
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: you scared at all? While all that was going on.

557
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I probably would have been more afraid, but I was

558
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: dating my uh now husband than boyfriend, and he had

559
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: always worked for himself. So he was like, go out there,

560
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: but you could do it. They're gonna be laughing, they're

561
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: gonna be crying when you, you you know, walk into the

562
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: bank with all this money you're gonna make eventually. So

563
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: he kept me encouraged. And he had been through the process,

564
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: so he had already uh, you know, he had been there.

565
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: So having someone on that journey with you definitely makes

566
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: a big difference. And he made a big difference. And

567
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: then eventually, as I started meeting people in the last,

568
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: started meeting other entrepreneurs, started to meeting other women in

569
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: particular who had their own businesses, and that was very much. So,

570
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, I had to leave my Harvard friends alone

571
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: for a minute. I just had to put them over

572
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: here because our lives were going in such divergent past,

573
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: and that negativity can get in your brain and start

574
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: making you doubt yourself, and so I had to shelter

575
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: my brain from that. So I really left my classmates

576
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: for a minute, and you know, I had to meet

577
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: new friends. Was there ever point during that chapter where

578
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: you were like, I don't know if I can stick

579
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: this through. I never thought about getting a job. There

580
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: were hard times though, Man, being self employed, I had

581
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: some rough rough years years because my firm started to grow,

582
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: I started to hire people. You know, at one point

583
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 1: I had the largest African American owned law firm in

584
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. So my firm got to be really big

585
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: and we start hiring people. Talk about nightmares. People. You

586
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: know you can control and manage you, right, But the

587
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: minute you know there's a second person to that equation,

588
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: everything changed. And I was so nice. I'm young, I'm

589
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: like seven years old. I'm young, and I thought everybody

590
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: it was like me, that you've come to work and

591
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: you give, and you just grind it out and you

592
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: work hard. I didn't know a lot of people just

593
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: came to work to piss off and get a check

594
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: and do nothing. I didn't know that. See, so I

595
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: would and I spent a lot of time. I've made

596
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes as a young entrepreneur, as a woman.

597
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that as a black woman in a

598
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: white male dominated profession, because that's what the legal profession is.

599
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: Getting people to respect you. People used to always asked

600
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: me if I was a court reporter. They'd asked me

601
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: if I was secretary. Uh, I had a male partner

602
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: they always thought, you know, you're hitting that. They thought,

603
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, we were sleeping together, and this guy was

604
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: my husband's best friend, and we were like family, like

605
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: brother and sister, and we would be out at night,

606
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: going to events and going to see clients. But I mean,

607
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: nothing ever remotely romantic between us. But everybody just assume.

608
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: Do you think it was also hard because you're attractive

609
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: or do you think that helps you or hurt you? Well,

610
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: thank you for the compliment. So I don't know. Here's

611
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: what I do dressing. So I've always like my mom

612
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: was just a major fashionista, So I always grew up

613
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: wearing bright colors, big earrings. I was always gonna fashion.

614
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: And you grew up in saying, Lucian, your clothes always

615
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: super clean, iron press, you know, your your appearances. Everything

616
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: didn't have the cost a lot, but it had to

617
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: be clean and just neat. So I didn't dress like

618
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: your traditional lawyer. I don't have any blue suits and

619
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: i'm gray suit, so I'm you know, I'm rolling red

620
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and yellow and bright colors. So people would say to

621
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: me things like, well, you don't look like your typical lawyer.

622
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of that. So I think

623
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: my style more so than quote unquote my looks bothered people.

624
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: And again, now you know, women shouldn't wear anything. We

625
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: can show up any way that we wanted to, any

626
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: way that we want to in most environments. But there

627
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: was a time when if you were a professional woman,

628
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: you were supposed to look a certain way, and that

629
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: look was in some ways very close to how men dressed.

630
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: So women are supposed to were very conservative. Blue suits,

631
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: gray suits, white brows, the pearls. That was the uniform

632
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: for a lawyer. And so I didn't that was never

633
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: that was not gonna be me. Just it's never gonna

634
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: be my uniform. So people had a problem with how

635
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: I would roll into court, uh, and how I just

636
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, presented myself overall. But you over time, you

637
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: feel your confidence and you don't let other people define

638
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: your worth. And you know, I wasn't gonna change who

639
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: I was. So so you you're how did you transition

640
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: to the CNN? So media good questions? So I started

641
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: asked again early stages, grinding trial, lawyer in cord working

642
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: crazy hours. I was representing some families in Las Vegas,

643
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: five families of kids who have been physically abused by

644
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: their teacher in the classroom, and the Dr Phil Show

645
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: was interested in the story of my clients, so his

646
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: produced production team reached out to me to get to

647
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: my clients. They wanted my clients to come on and

648
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: tell the story of what it happened. The case made

649
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: national news because it was the first time in the

650
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: state of Nevada where a teacher was actually criminally prosecuted

651
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: for her treatment of kids in the classroom. And these

652
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: were a combination of kids uh gon verbal artistic kids

653
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: and kids with special needs and horrible allegations of like

654
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: putting is in a trash can and just horrible. And

655
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: so this teacher actually got criminally prosecuted, so it made

656
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: the national news. The families found me. I ended up

657
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: representing them in a civil case against the school, and

658
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: so the Doctor Field team read the story wanted to

659
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: bring the families on to talk about this case, and

660
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: so I went on. You know, I was there on

661
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: the show with my families and the taping a taping

662
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: a show went so well. The producer came over to

663
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: me and says, Heyrie, but you know, will you you

664
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: want to stick around for the B show. We're doing

665
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: a show on dog the Bounty Hunter using the in word.

666
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: And we have this male panel including Bishop TV, Jake's

667
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: and some activists, but they're all men. We don't have

668
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: a female voice on this panel. You want to stick

669
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: around and join this panel? And in my mind, I'm like,

670
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: at first, I don't even know the story. I like,

671
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: don't watch reality team? Who was Dog the Bounty Hunever,

672
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, and I'm scared to death because I

673
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: literally I don't know anything about this. Is this your

674
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: first time in front of the camera at this point, Uh,

675
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean maybe an occasional appearance here and there,

676
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: but this is the first time, you know, national syndicated,

677
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, show like Dr Phields between A and B show,

678
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: maybe there's an hour and a half maybe two. So

679
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: I've got to learn and i gotta develop. Because the

680
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: question was gonna be what should happen to him for

681
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: using the inn word? Should you think maybe a show

682
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: had been taken off the air, So that was gonna

683
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: be the question should he be punished in that way?

684
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: And then all the things that go with the N word, right,

685
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, rappers use it, black people use it. So

686
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: I had to have an opinion wasn't just gonna be

687
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: there as I had have a point of view on this.

688
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: So in this hour hour and a half period, I

689
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: have to like read the whole like what did he say,

690
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: who did he say it to, what was the context?

691
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: I gotta think about what I'm gonna say. And TV

692
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Jake's is like, god, yeah, people, so I never met him,

693
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, I might be sitting

694
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: next to D D Jase. He's so smart. I don't

695
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: know what nervous. I mean. I wasn't nervous with my

696
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: clients because I was talking about something I knew about, Like,

697
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 1: ask me anything about this case. I'm you know, I'm there,

698
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: but this in word, you know, it's so violato, so explosive.

699
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: People have so many different opinions about it. So here

700
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: I am sitting there four men, T D Jake's and

701
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: these other three guys, and you know, I held my own, Okay,

702
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: I held my own. You know, I didn't represent the

703
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: I didn't embarrass my family or anything, and apparently to

704
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: these producers I did more than you know, just okay,

705
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: because after that taping, the producer said to me, you know,

706
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: we'd love to have you back if you have any

707
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: other cases like the cases you know we're in a show.

708
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Let us know. We'll have your clients on and we

709
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: may have shows where we'd love to have your expertise.

710
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: And that began my relationship with the Doctor Phil show.

711
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: And they started calling me and they had me come

712
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: on and talk about, you know, stories that Dr Phil

713
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: was doing. I had some other really interesting cases. I

714
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: would pitch stories to them, and I started going on,

715
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, Dr Phil has been and at the time

716
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: probably was the number one rated time talk show. And

717
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: it just started from there. And from Dr Phil, I

718
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: started doing other shows, including cable News, and one day

719
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: I got a call from the talent director at CNN

720
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: and she said I had been guesting. So as an expert,

721
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: typically you will start off some people, not everyone, but

722
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: the typical pathway is they'll say, hey, you're a great cook.

723
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: We're doing a segment on cooking. Will you come on

724
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: and talk about cooking. You don't get paid. A lot

725
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: of people do it for promoting, right, be promoting a cookbook.

726
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: He may be promoting your restaurant, so there's a reason

727
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: to do it. Uh. So I was guesting what they

728
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: called guesting, So I would go on and give my

729
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: legal opinions, get in and miss NBC even at that

730
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: time Fox, so you know, whatever station would call me

731
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: because I was trying to get my name, I was

732
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: trying to get exposure. And then I got the call

733
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: from the talent director CNN offering me a paid position

734
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: as a contributor. Huhh. And he was like, yeah, let's

735
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: do it. So that was that was going on through

736
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: your mind when that happened. You know, I was so shocked,

737
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: and it was kind of similar. So I was I

738
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: coasted a couple of our daytime talk shows, uh, some

739
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: produced by Dr Phil, and something very similar happened one

740
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: of the shows that I was on with Dr Phil

741
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: that I was a co hosting. I was at home

742
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: and I just got a call and it was Dr

743
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: Phil saying, hey, he wanted to meet with me. So

744
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: most of my blessed scenes or my my TV westerns

745
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: have come where I'm just at home, chilling and looking

746
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: up the phone and that CNN, it's Dr Phield someone

747
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: offering me a job. So it was surreal in some

748
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: ways because I knew I wanted to help people. I

749
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: never and you grow up in the Midwest, you're not

750
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: thinking Hollywood is like way over there. For me, it's

751
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: not even something that most people think about. So TV

752
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: was not in the uh you know, the blueprint in

753
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: the plan. But I realized very early on that once

754
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: I started, that it was a way to have a voice,

755
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: and it was a way to talk about issues that

756
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: are important to people. And I my proudest moment and

757
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: being on television was during Team with Michael Brown was

758
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: shot and killed by the Ferguson Police because a part

759
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: of where I grew up and saying, oh, it's this

760
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: next door to Ferguson. And I was on Don Women

761
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: other CNN shows throughout that whole period, and all the

762
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: stuff that happened after Michael Brown was shot, the issues

763
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: with the prosecutor and some of the protests were happening,

764
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: and I was so angry by what I would often

765
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: see other people, how they talked about that saint was

766
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: community and how they were villainizing and and just uh,

767
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, really painting those families in a negative life.

768
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Because at some point, you know, buildings started to burn

769
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: and cars were burning, so the stuff was happening, uh,

770
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: and I was so angry, and I felt so proud

771
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: to be able to go on. I would call my

772
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: family and friends at home. I'd get there like real,

773
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: like what's going on on the ground, not what people

774
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: are repeating on television. And so I was able to

775
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: represent that community and help I think in some ways

776
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: people better understand. Put some faces to those people, help

777
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: people understand that these were not quote unquote thugs, that

778
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: this was a community of homeowners and you know, educated

779
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: people with hard working people and families and mothers and fathers.

780
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: So that was probably the thing that made me feel

781
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: the best, like, thank you Jesus for allowing me this

782
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: at for him to paint my community a community that

783
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I love, because I love saying was I go there

784
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm so connected to my hometown. To

785
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: get to paint it in a different light and and

786
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: really bringing out that humanity that was so missing and

787
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the reporting. Wow, I have some questions,

788
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: like personal questions that I go into debate with my friends.

789
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: But since I have you here, why not right? So

790
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I I started to learn about like systematic racism and redlining.

791
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it was a long time ago.

792
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: Was definitely more recent than a long time ago, But

793
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: I when everything happened during the pandemic with George Floyd

794
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: and everything. I kept telling all my friends, We're gonna

795
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: have reparations. They'd be like, no, you're crazy, it's not

796
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm like, mm hmm, Now it's gonna happen.

797
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: This was before the bailouse. By the way, what's the

798
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: bailouse happened? I said, Oh, reparations coming, It's coming, right,

799
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: I kept telling my friends, and I have good relationships

800
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: with banks because of some of the work I do

801
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: on the side. Um, but I hold the banks responsible

802
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: for most of our issues, mainly because of generational wealth

803
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and just the roller coaster of effect that happens with it.

804
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that, Well, I feel strongly

805
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: that when you're talking about generational wealth. I'm writing a book.

806
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: My fifth book is on h it's called the working

807
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: title right now, it's called Where's Black Wealth? And it

808
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: really delves into this issue of how black wealth has been,

809
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, ripped away from the black community and some

810
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: of the policies, banking policies, housing policies, transportation policies, the

811
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: role that they have played in reducing black wealth and

812
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: what we need to do in this country because the

813
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: wealth gap between blacks and whites is growing exponentially and

814
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: there you know, like a twenty year period, so black

815
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: wealth will be at zero if we don't make some

816
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: systemic changes to some of these UH institutions and some

817
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: of these policy changes that lots of folks have talked about.

818
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad we started having those conversations because

819
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't even know about Tulsa. They

820
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: didn't know about Black Wall Street until after George Floyd,

821
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: after the worldwide protests that we saw UH, and you know,

822
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: we started to hear that history has been hidden from

823
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: so many generations, from you know, students. And I have

824
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: a web based show where I interviewed about a thousand

825
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: people since the pandemic, and I've interviewed some descendants of

826
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: those business owners in Tulsa, and they said their ancestors,

827
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: their parents, and grandparents were so traumatized by that they

828
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about it. That many of them didn't

829
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: learn about it until either they got to school or

830
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, they started being more prevalent in the news

831
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: because there's still so much trauma associated with it by

832
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: the black families who were impacted so I feel like, yeah,

833
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: banks play a big role in this huge wealth gap,

834
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: and there's a lot that we could do in this

835
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: country to address it. What can we do to address it, though, well,

836
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: we've seen some things already. Remember just recently, there was

837
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: the Child Tax Credit, So if you were a parent, uh,

838
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: and depending on how much you earned, it was up

839
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: to a hundred fifty thou dollars you could earn, you

840
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: would receive literally a check up to three hundred dollars

841
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: per child. And that tax credit played a huge role

842
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: in pulling like millions of kids out of poverty. So

843
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: one way we reduced the wealth gap is by creating

844
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: even more income earning opportunities for African Americans and just

845
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: by having more income, right, you know, there were some

846
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: others who were getting dollars. Yeah, five kids, you'd get

847
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars, and that was on top of you

848
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: know it, But it wasn't on own you have to

849
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Speaker 1: do anything to get it. But it recognized that a

850
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Speaker 1: mother of three, four or five kids is likely to

851
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: be impacted in her earnings because she may not be

852
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Speaker 1: able to work full time because of childcare. How expensive

853
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Speaker 1: child care is, so she may not be able to

854
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Speaker 1: take a promotion that would maybe have her travel or

855
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: do something else because of childcare. And so that three

856
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: that tax credit played a huge role in helping a

857
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Speaker 1: lot of parents be able to afford childcare. Uh maybe

858
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Speaker 1: you know, pay for after school activities for their kids. Again,

859
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: if you a kid gets out of school at three o'clock, jobs,

860
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: most jobs on into five or six o'clock, right, so

861
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out what are you gonna do with

862
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: your kid for those two or three hours. So there

863
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: are things like that those you know, our countries failure

864
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: to provide um paid family lead. All those things negatively

865
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Speaker 1: impact go income people. Women in particular to or usually

866
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Speaker 1: because we're the care give her. So if the child

867
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Speaker 1: is sick and she was gonna be the mom that's

868
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: gonna take off if grandma grandpa six, usually gonna be

869
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: the woman that's gonna take off to care for the

870
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Speaker 1: you know, the sick relative. So all of that depresses

871
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: our earning potential if we can't be free to earn

872
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: like men are. No one expects a man to quit

873
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: their job to stay home, you know, with a sick child,

874
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: or to quit their job to go take care of

875
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: a sick mother and father. But that's always the burden

876
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: that falls on women. And we saw that during the pandemic. Literally, women,

877
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, bore the brunt of the economic downfall that

878
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: happened during the pandemic. Do you think the black community

879
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: we'll see separations. Absolutely, And you know why we should

880
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: all be encouraged. Bruce's Beach in California. Bruce's Beach you're

881
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: talking about the Manhattan Beach. I was going to next

882
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: we are twin flames Ruce's Beach, hundred million dollars property

883
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: restored to this black the descendants of Willow Bruce and

884
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Speaker 1: her husband who owned this property on the beachfront property

885
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: they could have been the Hilton's, could have been the

886
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: and the government comes in uses imminent domain, takes the

887
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: property away from them under the guys who're gonna build

888
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: a park park never got built. Uh And for years

889
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: that property was illegally in the hands of the state

890
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: of California, the County of Los Angeles, and that city,

891
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach. And so that property, now I'm proud my

892
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: friend George Fatherley did there. He's a real estate lawyer,

893
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: did pro bono charge the family nothing very instrumental. Steve

894
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: Bradford is a state senator here in California. He was

895
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: also instrumental in moving the legislation that made it possible

896
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: for the property to be returned. So I think the

897
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: deal now is they're gonna reach the property back to

898
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: the county for about I think like four hundred thousand

899
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: a month or something, and then they're gonna decide after

900
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: three years if they sell it to the county, because

901
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: now it's like a public beach, but even beyond Bruce's Beach.

902
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: The State of California, then assembly Woman Shirley Webber, she's

903
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Speaker 1: now our Secretary of State in California, she put forth

904
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Speaker 1: a piece of legislation for California to create a committee

905
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Speaker 1: to study reparations. And that committee has now made some findings,

906
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Speaker 1: some recommendations, and they when they get to the final

907
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: recommendations about who should get what what form should this

908
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: reparations come in, UH, and what time period of some

909
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: other things, they have to decide. They're gonna make those

910
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: recommendations to the state legislature in California and then they

911
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: get to vote. And we have a Democratic legislature here

912
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: in California, so it's very likely that those recommendations California.

913
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: That's California. But you know, as California goes, so does

914
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: the rest of the nation. So imagine California then one

915
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: of the biggest state in the country, you know, with

916
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Speaker 1: a thirty three million people live here. If black folks

917
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: in California get reparations, that's gonna put pressure on New

918
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: York and Illinois and you know other states. And there's

919
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: some cities like h Evans in Illinois, will suburb outside

920
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: of Chicago. They have started reparations. They're giving forty thousand,

921
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: i think in some kind of home loan, home grant

922
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: program to black residents. So it's starting to happen. Remember

923
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: it used to be such a like your friends who

924
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: laughed at you, and you know, because reparations was thought

925
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: to be a French concept and nobody ever thought we'd

926
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: be gonna happen. It's gonna happen. I'm gonna happen. It's

927
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Speaker 1: gonna now we don't know. Like a friend of mine

928
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: works for the city of l A and they have

929
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: their own reparations committee. She said that their committee is

930
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: recommending giving mental health counseling as a form of reparations.

931
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: To address the trauma. And I see your face, and

932
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: I gave her to say, I gave her the same

933
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: face she told me that, like all right, okay, right,

934
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: But so the point is it's gonna come a different

935
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Speaker 1: form some you know, it might be a cash, maybe

936
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: a check. Some people are talking about free college tuition. Uh,

937
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: paying off STO loan debt is a form maybe homeown assistance.

938
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: So I mean, you can think of all these ways

939
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: because the name of the game with reparations is to

940
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: try to even the playing field, is to reduce that

941
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: huge wealth gap that exists in this country because the

942
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: systemic racism, because of very intentional policies by the US

943
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: government that have stripped African Americans of wealth. So you know,

944
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: home ownership is I'm going to tell you right now,

945
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: that's that's all I want to see as homeownership because

946
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, even living in Los Angeles,

947
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: if you walk behind my house, because I don't live

948
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: on the block with a million dollar homes, I live

949
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: in the condos in front of them. And if you

950
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: walk that block, most of the houses on that million

951
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: dollar block were inherited, and I'm like, wow, must be nice.

952
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: And that's why white folks is so far ahead of

953
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: us is because of inheritances and homeownership being one of them.

954
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: If you live in one of those million dollar houses

955
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: now and say these the parents bought it in the sixties,

956
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: they may have paid seventy five dollars. Uh. So, my

957
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: husband's parents, they lived in South l A around sixty seven,

958
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: and western bought their house for under forty thousand dollars.

959
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: When they sold it in the like late two thousand,

960
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 1: mid two thousand, houses like six hundred thousand dollars. So

961
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: literally there could be millions of dollars in equity that

962
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: then gets passed down to those kids. And that's when

963
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: we've been robbed of that opportunity to create that well,

964
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: to pass it down to you, our children and our grandchildren.

965
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: So now the last thing I want to mention, are

966
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: you familiar with birthright? I'm pretty sure you are. Are

967
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: you It's birthright? Is I'm Jewish and Jamaican. So in

968
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: Jewish culture they have this this thing called birthright where

969
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: I believe, up to the age of twenty seven, you

970
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: can fly fly to Israel for I think it's two

971
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: weeks for free, fully paid. They you know, they teach

972
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: you everything about your Jewish culture and what the Jews

973
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: went through. I feel like the black community desperately needs

974
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: that because, you know, we don't fully know our last names,

975
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: Like we don't really know who we are. And I

976
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: feel like, boy, what it would do for blacks to

977
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: be able to have their own version of a birthright?

978
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: You know, So where would you have them go? You

979
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: would have to leave the US and go to certain

980
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: countries in Africa or what I would say? Yeah, I

981
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: would lean towards that because I also feel like some

982
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: black people, you know, if you say African American or African,

983
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe because of the American culture, there's

984
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: like a weird negative of like disassociation with it. And

985
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: if you talk to people that visit Africa, they're like,

986
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we're kings and queens and we're living

987
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: a life. Are you kidding me? And it's like portrayed

988
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: so differently in America. And I think that experience, I

989
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: think that experience of reminding like how powerful our melanin is.

990
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: Also when it's utilized and it has its full potential, well,

991
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: that could be a form of reparations. Right, So you

992
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: need to write into that committee I help you do.

993
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: That's that's not her, but I mean that's that's what

994
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: they're grappling with, like what is going to be the

995
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: most substant what's going to have the most impact. Uh.

996
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: And that's why my friend at the city said mental health.

997
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of money either, she said this,

998
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Their options were limited by their resources. But I like that.

999
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: I like the idea of us being able to go,

1000
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: whether it's to Africa or some other, you know country

1001
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: and just see how you know, regal and royal uh

1002
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: people that we come from. Because I think that would

1003
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: help to a lot of younger black folks who kind

1004
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: of you know, have lost touch with their ancestors and

1005
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: don't know that they are from such noble people. Maybe

1006
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: it helped build their confidence. You know, young men you

1007
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: see who have been so beaten down, feel like you

1008
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: know that they have no hope. We see these really

1009
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: high rates of suicide amongst African American men and young women,

1010
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, those growing races, and you often ask the

1011
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: do they know that they are descendants of kings and queens?

1012
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: And if they knew that, you know, would that make

1013
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: a difference. So I like it. Thank you I'm glad

1014
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: you like my little idea. I like it. I like it.

1015
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: I can't always go up with the race. I'm there

1016
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: for you. Well, thank you so much for taking time

1017
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: out of your busy schedule to eat Barbara, and I

1018
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: am going to eat all of this because it is

1019
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: absolutely delicious. I encourage my production crew to enjoy the meal.

1020
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Speaker 1: Um and uh yeah, thank you. And then where can

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00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: people catch you? I know you have some books that

1022
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: are coming out, so just let us all know how

1023
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,640
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1027
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,960
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1028
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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,960
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Speaker 1: makers and you know opinion makers. And then I at

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Speaker 1: a radio show on Saturday's kb L A talk fight.

1032
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: I do uh again, an opinionated current events, current affairs

1033
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Speaker 1: the show I should call it on kb L A.

1034
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Speaker 1: So I'm a talker and I like to talk to people,

1035
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Speaker 1: and I like to help people understand stuff because you

1036
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of stuff. We get a lot of

1037
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: stuff thrown at us on the social media and the media,

1038
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: and people often don't know you know, how to decipher it.

1039
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: What's real, what's not real? What should I you know? Follow?

1040
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: What you know shouldn't I follow? And I like to

1041
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: help people make some of those choices and be informed

1042
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: because we know you know, knowledge is power, So knowledge

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