Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: First of all, as of the time of this airing,
Speaker 1: it is my motherfucking birthday. So I am greatly excited
Speaker 1: for this new year. I am so grateful for all
Speaker 1: of you who have been holding me down on woke
Speaker 1: F for this really tough year that we've been living
Speaker 1: in and living through, but you know, doing so together
Speaker 1: and in community with one another. And I can't express
Speaker 1: to you all enough how grateful I am each and
Speaker 1: every day that I get to wake up and do
Speaker 1: what I love and do what I feel called to do,
Speaker 1: which is to be in conversation with all of you
Speaker 1: for as long as you will have me. So I
Speaker 1: just want to say that on this day, it is
Speaker 1: my birthday week, my birthday month. I'm a Scorpio, so
Speaker 1: I go hard all year long, basically all month long,
Speaker 1: I should say it should probably start going all year long,
Speaker 1: but all month long. And so I just want to
Speaker 1: say that I start out this new year filled with
Speaker 1: such a deep gratitude coming from a place of abundance.
Speaker 1: You know, folks, that regardless of the state of the world.
Speaker 1: It all really does begin inside of all of us.
Speaker 1: And so if we can, you know, live our lives
Speaker 1: on purpose, if we can have impact in our little
Speaker 1: corner of the universe and then lay that down at
Speaker 1: the end of each day and rest but reflect on
Speaker 1: what we have done, then you know we'll continue to thrive.
Speaker 1: And you know, just recognizing we in this country have
Speaker 1: been through a lot of hardships. We have never seen
Speaker 1: anything like what we're dealing with these days. But I
Speaker 1: believe in the strength of all of us, and I
Speaker 1: believe in the strength of community, and that's what I
Speaker 1: continue to try and build on woke f and I
Speaker 1: continue to try and build across social media platforms, Twitter
Speaker 1: excluded because I am paying that fucking money. But again,
Speaker 1: I just want to thank each and every one of you.
Speaker 1: This show and this audience have been a blessing in
Speaker 1: my life, and so I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you to you all for that. I'm excited for you
Speaker 1: all to hear today a really powerful voice I really enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I got to say, I have been really fortunate that
Speaker 1: my fantastic producer has been pulling together such just enlightening
Speaker 1: enjoyable guests to be in conversation with, and today I
Speaker 1: will say that Gina Brione, comedian and podcaster co host
Speaker 1: of the State of Women, is no different the series
Speaker 1: of folks that I have been fortunate enough to be
Speaker 1: in conversation with on Gena's podcasts that she co hosts
Speaker 1: with journalists and TV corresponding Kimberly Brooks. They tackle during
Speaker 1: the series. You know what women are up against in
Speaker 1: this country and how different the laws are for women
Speaker 1: as we have witnessed a patchwork of protections, and you know,
Speaker 1: we will vacillate in this conversation between deep frustrations and hopefulness.
Speaker 1: We will also delve into as I said, Gina is
Speaker 1: a comedian, to talk about the role of comedy in
Speaker 1: times of despair and instability and the role of art
Speaker 1: during these times, and you know what the role is
Speaker 1: in terms of how far you can actually push things.
Speaker 1: We know that comedians, very big names that we've talked
Speaker 1: about on this show still punch down, as Gina will
Speaker 1: talk about in terms of what they're making their jokes about.
Speaker 1: And can't we move on from a place where anyone
Speaker 1: community is the butt of anyone's jokes because I don't
Speaker 1: think and particularly in this instability and political climate that
Speaker 1: we're living in, that those jokes are helpful and or funny.
Speaker 1: So we will talk a bit about that. So I
Speaker 1: hope that you enjoy this conversation with Gina Brione, comedian
Speaker 1: and co host of the podcast The State of Women
Speaker 1: that is coming up next, folks. I am very excited
Speaker 1: to welcome to Okay app Daily for the very first time,
Speaker 1: comedian and the co host of the State of Women podcast,
Speaker 1: Gina Brione. The State of Women is an insightful and
Speaker 1: timely podcast that looks at and explores US state which
Speaker 1: US states are getting gender equity right and which are failing. Gina,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it is all of them that are failing.
Speaker 1: But you hadn't tell me to pretend that we're going
Speaker 1: to be hopeful. Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty much. Okay interview over.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go you nailed it. Outlook is bleak.
Speaker 1: We found a few favorable states, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you, honestly, you nailed it. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: issues with the laws going on right now, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of what we discovered the podcast. We wish we
Speaker 1: would have discovered a gold mine of hope, but a
Speaker 1: lot of it was just, Hey, this is what the
Speaker 1: struggle is going to be. This is what the struggle,
Speaker 1: this is what the fight is. You know. After rov
Speaker 1: Wade was overturned in June, Yeah, we saw an outpouring
Speaker 1: of outrage of women across the country, and women and
Speaker 1: people with uteruses across the country marching and Kansas gave
Speaker 1: us hope in terms of having anti abortion measures on
Speaker 1: the ballot and people showing up and saying no, not
Speaker 1: in my state. And you know, somehow, some way, Gina,
Speaker 1: that enthusiasm for bodily autonomy seems to have faded. So
Speaker 1: I want to get a sense from you, you know,
Speaker 1: in the conversations that you are having, you know, why
Speaker 1: do you think that that is and what is it?
Speaker 1: Because I you know, maybe I'm I'm I'm naive. I
Speaker 1: often don't like to think so, but maybe I am
Speaker 1: that I believe that bodily autonomy would be my It's
Speaker 1: my number one, you know, voting reason. It's my number
Speaker 1: one as a black queer woman in these United States.
Speaker 1: I'd like to have control over my entire body, how
Speaker 1: I think, how I move, what kind of job. I
Speaker 1: want all of these things, but it does not seem
Speaker 1: to be a sustainable issue. Why do you think that
Speaker 1: that is? I mean, I feel the same way that
Speaker 1: you do that it should be number one on everyone's
Speaker 1: mind right now. And I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: is people being easily distracted by other hyped up issues,
Speaker 1: which I personally believe it done intentionally to distract from
Speaker 1: the bigger issues that will end up dividing us and
Speaker 1: affecting us greatly. It's easy to get caught up in
Speaker 1: what the news pushes in your face, where it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: pay attention to this, forget about that other fight, pay
Speaker 1: attention to this, And I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: end up falling prey to that. Between that and just
Speaker 1: generally being disappointed in the fact that they have to
Speaker 1: fight for something like this, and that can easily deflate
Speaker 1: someone's will and someone's fire in them. Just the constant
Speaker 1: hitting the wall, the same wall constantly. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why we need to continue having these conversations, because
Speaker 1: we need to keep lighting that, relighting the fire over
Speaker 1: and over again till we can really fix the issue
Speaker 1: at its core. You know, it's so interesting because the
Speaker 1: media is very much about following. You know, the bouncing ball,
Speaker 1: right it is, you know, they throw a bunch of
Speaker 1: craft up and they're like, look over here, right, it's
Speaker 1: like dangling catnip and so that you don't see what
Speaker 1: is happening over there. And you know, as a person
Speaker 1: that is in media, you know, I recognize it. You
Speaker 1: recognize it. What do you think that we are getting
Speaker 1: wrong or could be or could do to shift that
Speaker 1: wavering attention span that we know that people in this
Speaker 1: country have. Be relentless in our conversations, be relentless in
Speaker 1: what we are putting out on social media in terms
Speaker 1: of this information that you need to have, be relentless
Speaker 1: and discussing the history of all of this. And I
Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it too, is people
Speaker 1: don't have an accurate history with what has been going on.
Speaker 1: And I think that has a lot to do with miseducation,
Speaker 1: and that's like a whole other issue. But I think
Speaker 1: that's why it's really important to continue to in almost
Speaker 1: an obnoxious way, and I'm sorry, but it needs to
Speaker 1: be this because this is a big issue. Push this
Speaker 1: upfront and go no, forget about all the flash that
Speaker 1: people are pushing in your face. This issue is still
Speaker 1: having a trickle down effect, and it's going on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, and nobody is paying attention to it anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, you're a comedian, and you know comedy has
Speaker 1: oftentimes been used as the way to soften the blow, right,
Speaker 1: but to bring very real, stark issues through the through
Speaker 1: the lens of storytelling and humor, to deliver to people
Speaker 1: what the news straight straight up news can't. So can
Speaker 1: you talk a bit about like comedy humor, particularly in
Speaker 1: these times Gina, that are just so dire and feel
Speaker 1: so heavy, the role that you think that comedy plays
Speaker 1: well For me personally, comedy has always been very healing,
Speaker 1: and I've always believed that it can be healing and
Speaker 1: then it can be a point of connection for people.
Speaker 1: So I think it's important, especially for a lot of
Speaker 1: female comics, to cover issues like this and to talk
Speaker 1: about what it's like in whatever voice they have on stage.
Speaker 1: Nobody I wouldn't want to force somebody to be something
Speaker 1: that they weren't, but I do think that it's an
Speaker 1: important issue for all of us to be tackling, especially
Speaker 1: in comedy clubs, because we end up reaching so many people.
Speaker 1: You have an audience at any given point. I can
Speaker 1: perform in New York for a couple of hundred people
Speaker 1: over the weekend. We're talking to three hundred people at
Speaker 1: the weekend. That's two or three hundred more people that
Speaker 1: could leave having more information. And in the form of
Speaker 1: a joke, it doesn't even seem like you're learning, or
Speaker 1: in the form of a story or a bit, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like you're gathering information. But people will walk
Speaker 1: out of a comedy club going, oh my god, remember
Speaker 1: that bit that she talked about. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: check that story out, or isn't that crazy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go follow her and I'm going to follow what she does.
Speaker 1: And I really agreed with her point on X y Z.
Speaker 1: And I've even had men come up to me after
Speaker 1: a show and be like, you know, I've never thought
Speaker 1: about things that way. And it's important to put to
Speaker 1: give people as much information as possible because a lot
Speaker 1: of people fear what they don't know, and they won't
Speaker 1: go into what they don't know. And I think comedy
Speaker 1: is a great avenue to get people at least curious
Speaker 1: about some of the topics and some of the history
Speaker 1: that they're not aware of. How do you think that
Speaker 1: comedy has shifted as we have moved into a place
Speaker 1: of more I guess, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: social awareness, right, the awareness that you know, there were
Speaker 1: communities and still are communities that are made to be
Speaker 1: the butt right of of jokes that are made to
Speaker 1: you know, which which I think in many ways is
Speaker 1: the way in which you do humanize people. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: you laugh at them, you make fun of them. I
Speaker 1: know from from listening to many comedians, you know, their
Speaker 1: stories are of the ones that were bullied, right, but
Speaker 1: then using comedy as kind of the avenue to move
Speaker 1: out of that place of of of despair. Right, I'll
Speaker 1: make them laugh, right, as opposed to laughing at me,
Speaker 1: I will make them laugh. But what do you think
Speaker 1: about kind of this this friction place that we have
Speaker 1: seen with comedians, you know, who are still in this
Speaker 1: vein of saying everything is on the table in terms
Speaker 1: of the jokes that they make. How does that how
Speaker 1: does that land with you? And what and what do
Speaker 1: you think about that perspective? Oh, it's so funny. We're
Speaker 1: actually having this discussion last night about the world of
Speaker 1: comedy and the artistry versus the business, and I think
Speaker 1: what comics argue and fight for is always going to
Speaker 1: be the artistry of comedy, the freedom to do whatever
Speaker 1: they want on stage, and the freedom as an artist
Speaker 1: and as a comic. I can understand that, but I
Speaker 1: do believe that even in the beginnings of comedy, even
Speaker 1: the artistry was sort of based on what was the
Speaker 1: easiest joke you could make at the time. And I think,
Speaker 1: like everything, everything evolves, and comedy went from one liners
Speaker 1: to stories to this, and I think there comes a
Speaker 1: time when we do have to admit that the foundation
Speaker 1: at which we started this wonderful artistry that I love
Speaker 1: was often built on low hanging fruit and punching down.
Speaker 1: And now, because the climate is changing and the world
Speaker 1: is changing, comedy will have to evolve because it cannot
Speaker 1: survive the way it is in this climate. You really
Speaker 1: have to question if you're going to continue to do
Speaker 1: then how can you not grow in the current climate.
Speaker 1: How can nobody is tolerating low hanging fruit anymore? Comedy
Speaker 1: audiences are becoming more and more savvy to the business itself,
Speaker 1: and so as somebody who loves the artistry of comedy
Speaker 1: but sometimes gets tangled in the all the problems with
Speaker 1: the business, because the business of comedy is where we
Speaker 1: need that control in terms of cancel culture. That's sort
Speaker 1: of you know, to use a term that I'm probably
Speaker 1: sure in no ways everybody, but it's where we need
Speaker 1: to fix that issue. That's the issue that we need
Speaker 1: to start respecting a lot more of the underdogs that
Speaker 1: we've attacked for so many years and that made it
Speaker 1: so easy. It's time to step up and go, no,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a better way of doing this. There's
Speaker 1: a way that we can. Actually, I always loved comics
Speaker 1: that were socially conscious. I always love comics that had
Speaker 1: something to say. I'm a huge Carlin fan. I love
Speaker 1: Eddie Izzard. I love the people that put stuff out
Speaker 1: there that was like, hey, I'm going to hold a
Speaker 1: mirror up to this and show you the systemic issues,
Speaker 1: the personal issues, all the things. I've always loved comics
Speaker 1: like that, and I'm actually I think it's a point
Speaker 1: of view shift for a lot of comedians where stopped
Speaker 1: looking at this as an attack and look at it
Speaker 1: like an evolution. And you'll have a better time adjusting
Speaker 1: if you can look at it as an evolution of
Speaker 1: a business that we all at our core. I hope
Speaker 1: love I love that you say that because I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, oftentimes I am in the vein of I
Speaker 1: don't want people to have to temper their art right
Speaker 1: because I think that art, regardless of what medium you use,
Speaker 1: whether it's comedy, whether it's photography, you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: athlete content creation, just in general, that you should have
Speaker 1: the freedom right to be able to imagine outside of
Speaker 1: re outside of reality, or use reality, uh as a
Speaker 1: way to tell a deeper story that other people may
Speaker 1: not experience. But at the same time, you know, when
Speaker 1: I hear people saying that they feel quote unquote shackled
Speaker 1: by the inability to punch down, by the inability to
Speaker 1: you know, use stereotypes and slurs as a way to
Speaker 1: to to tell their to tell their jokes or to
Speaker 1: express themselves. You know, we're seeing this, you know right
Speaker 1: now with Kanye West and his entire devolving right that
Speaker 1: we're we're watching in real time, which is well, he's
Speaker 1: a genius, he's an artist, and he is thinking differently,
Speaker 1: and you're like, or he's an anti semi an anti black,
Speaker 1: and like a or he's problematic and all of these things,
Speaker 1: and so you know what, what how do you how
Speaker 1: do you structure this idea of evolution with people feeling
Speaker 1: like they are shackled and also some audience members that
Speaker 1: are just like, oh, it's just a joke. It's just
Speaker 1: a joke. It's just this. It's just a song, right, Like,
Speaker 1: get over it, you snowflakes, You're so sensitive, right, it's
Speaker 1: like the constant refrain. Yeah, that's it's funny because I
Speaker 1: feel like the comics and the audience members that are
Speaker 1: like that, it's this is this is I feel like
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people might have a problem with.
Speaker 1: So um, there's a level of adolescence in that reaction.
Speaker 1: There's a level of you have not evolved or matured
Speaker 1: as an individual, because really, the only people who should
Speaker 1: be bothered by this evolution, the only reason you would
Speaker 1: be bothered by this is if you are misogynistic, or
Speaker 1: if you are racist, or if you are problematic, because
Speaker 1: I don't. I never looked at it like oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're coming for me and I'm going to be in trouble,
Speaker 1: and no, I was like, okay, yes, in the past,
Speaker 1: I may have used language that now I regret using
Speaker 1: because when I started in comedy, the environment was a
Speaker 1: free for all. We never we worked in an environment
Speaker 1: basically without rules. We've worked in an environment where nobody
Speaker 1: told us we were like the misfits of the entertainment business,
Speaker 1: and everybody loved that because we were unregulated for so long.
Speaker 1: And that's you know. I don't put a moralistic good
Speaker 1: or bad on that. However, it was a problem creating
Speaker 1: situation because now that we are being held accountable as
Speaker 1: an artist. Yes, of course, do whatever you want as
Speaker 1: an artist, but now there are bigger consequences to pay
Speaker 1: if you decide as an artist, I am not going
Speaker 1: to evolve. I'm going to continue to punch down. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do what I want. Well, then don't complain
Speaker 1: about being canceled. You know the current vironment, and you
Speaker 1: know that we are, in the end trying to protect
Speaker 1: the rights of so many people and respect so many
Speaker 1: different people and their views and different topics and talking
Speaker 1: about things in a well rounded way where you're not
Speaker 1: just being completely selfish with I just want to say this,
Speaker 1: and thoughtless with what you're saying. Put some real thought
Speaker 1: into how you are putting together your opinion on everything.
Speaker 1: What is your opinion? What do you want to say?
Speaker 1: And is it the kind of opinion that pushes us
Speaker 1: towards progress or is it the kind of opinion that
Speaker 1: has been holding us back? And that's really something about
Speaker 1: self awareness. How you are talking about something, How where
Speaker 1: are you of the implications of what you say. I
Speaker 1: think I've been going over the phrase in my mind
Speaker 1: recently where people say, you know, sticks and stones can hurt,
Speaker 1: can break by bones, but words can never harm me.
Speaker 1: That's funny because I can tell you I remember every
Speaker 1: negative thing that's ever been said to me. So how
Speaker 1: can you say that words can never harm you if
Speaker 1: half of us are traumatized by the things that were
Speaker 1: said to us about ourselves when we were younger. Instead
Speaker 1: of foundation of such low self esteem and self hatred,
Speaker 1: of course, where its have an effect. And I think
Speaker 1: we need to start paying attention to the words we
Speaker 1: use in communication with each other and also when we're
Speaker 1: talking about things and comics. Feel like that's limiting, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's limiting at all. I think if
Speaker 1: you change your perspective on it again, that's where the
Speaker 1: evolution comes in. You have an evolution of thought you
Speaker 1: have an evolution of feeling when you really sit back
Speaker 1: and go. I mean, I had to tackle things that
Speaker 1: made me uncomfortable. I had to tackle and I'm still
Speaker 1: in the process of tackling internalized misogyny and the things
Speaker 1: that I grew up with and breaking those down for
Speaker 1: myself working in a business that is dominated by men
Speaker 1: and having to become one of the boys to survive
Speaker 1: in the first place. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't realize that that's what the business was founded on.
Speaker 1: This is a male run business, and women coming into
Speaker 1: it changes the game automatically because we do have a
Speaker 1: different perspective, because we do have to navigate through the
Speaker 1: world differently, and I think that changes the game. And
Speaker 1: now that we are really banding together and fighting for
Speaker 1: so many different rights and so many different voices, and
Speaker 1: I think it's wonderful. I'm excited by it. And it
Speaker 1: makes me sad to see some of the people I
Speaker 1: considered brothers in comedy not understanding how important the shift is.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you because I was wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you this question about the male dominance right in
Speaker 1: comedy and about what what kind of persona women have
Speaker 1: had to take on in order to survive in this
Speaker 1: male dominated oftentime, misogynistic oftentime. What do we what do
Speaker 1: we say? Um? You know, locker room uh type of
Speaker 1: type of environment. So can you you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to retraumatize, but if you could, if you could,
Speaker 1: if you could just paint a picture of, you know,
Speaker 1: of what it has been like. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: more women right in comedy now, um uh. Then you
Speaker 1: know then they have been just like there are more
Speaker 1: women in more and in more spaces and industries that
Speaker 1: they have been traditionally locked out of, which is why
Speaker 1: we are seeing folks, uh, the kind of pushback into
Speaker 1: bodily autonomy and women's rights for that very reason. So
Speaker 1: can you just paint the picture of of of what
Speaker 1: what that has been like? Um? And you know, and
Speaker 1: how far or maybe not how far the industry as
Speaker 1: a whole has come. I mean, it seems to me
Speaker 1: that a lot of comics are still divided, are still
Speaker 1: very like they don't know what they're fighting for. I
Speaker 1: think I think a lot of comics are confused as
Speaker 1: to what they're fighting for. Once you're fighting for is
Speaker 1: the artistry and the right to say what you want
Speaker 1: to say, and as an artist, I can respect that,
Speaker 1: but you don't understand that what needs to change is
Speaker 1: how we navigate through the business of comedy. That is
Speaker 1: what needs to change, and yes, that affects the artistry.
Speaker 1: But you can look at that as negative or you
Speaker 1: can see it as a very positive thing in terms
Speaker 1: of pushing you and challenge your challenging yourself towards growth
Speaker 1: and understanding. There's a lot of amazing comics that I
Speaker 1: think if they didn't look at this as some form
Speaker 1: of attack, would be brilliant voices in this fight. And
Speaker 1: there's some of my favorite comics and this, you know,
Speaker 1: being a male dominated industry, I think what the men
Speaker 1: need to understand in this industry is that, yes, we
Speaker 1: do need your support. Yes we do need your voices
Speaker 1: because y'all run shit and we can't change shit without
Speaker 1: your support. Without your voices, we cannot change shit. We
Speaker 1: need you to be as effective in this and push
Speaker 1: for this as much as we do, because this is
Speaker 1: a thing where we need to band together and realize
Speaker 1: that on a systemic level, things need to change worldwide,
Speaker 1: like this needs to change, like particular in this country,
Speaker 1: like it needs to change. But in the business of comedy,
Speaker 1: without the support of the men in the industry, it
Speaker 1: is going to be a very difficult fight. And that's
Speaker 1: why we have to kind of get them to like,
Speaker 1: ky like, this isn't supposed to be scary for you.
Speaker 1: This isn't supposed to be scary. Why is it scary?
Speaker 1: Is it scary because you refuse to change the things
Speaker 1: that you want to freely say on stage that are hurtful, disrespectful, insulting,
Speaker 1: and just lazy writing. It's just stop stop going for
Speaker 1: the easy and start trying to evolve. You know, you
Speaker 1: look at people in this business that we're legendary, like
Speaker 1: somebody like Carlin, and you watch his evolution as a performer,
Speaker 1: being a Carlin fan myself and watching him go from silly,
Speaker 1: goofy Carlin to political commentator to this person who's just
Speaker 1: blowing our minds with the information he gave us. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can you not be for evolution when
Speaker 1: your favorite comedians, the ones that were legendary, went through
Speaker 1: such an evolution themselves. And I think we can get there.
Speaker 1: I think we can get there, but it takes a
Speaker 1: lot of being real with each other about how lazy
Speaker 1: the industry has been in terms of writing. It was
Speaker 1: of course it was easy before. Of course it was easy.
Speaker 1: We made the obvious jokes. We went from you know,
Speaker 1: telling basic schoolyard knock knock jokes to one liners to
Speaker 1: know that take my wife please type jokes, that humor
Speaker 1: that lasted for the longest time. That was the foundation
Speaker 1: for the business. And what we're looking at now similar
Speaker 1: to people growing up and fixing the foundation of their childhood,
Speaker 1: which whatever damage in trauma they had there, we're going
Speaker 1: to therapy and you're healing yourself. Comedy needs a healing.
Speaker 1: It needs a healing, and it needs to sort of
Speaker 1: admit that we can evolve without destroying the artistry. But
Speaker 1: it's going to take some incredible self awareness and admitting
Speaker 1: certain truths to ourselves about how we've been and how
Speaker 1: we've interacted. One thing that I will say that is
Speaker 1: a good thing, but I wish it wasn't it didn't
Speaker 1: come across so negative, is that the fear that so
Speaker 1: many people have of being canceled is now trying to
Speaker 1: starting to control their behavior. It's like, yes, watch how
Speaker 1: you speak to me. Yes, pay attention to how you
Speaker 1: talk on stage and in interviews and other things, because
Speaker 1: now there is now we will not just okay it,
Speaker 1: and now it will not just roll off our backs.
Speaker 1: Now something will be said and you will be held accountable.
Speaker 1: And that's for everyone, for men, for women in this industry.
Speaker 1: You will be held accountable for the things that you say.
Speaker 1: So you can say whatever you want again goes back
Speaker 1: to you. Ready for those consequences, because they're going to
Speaker 1: come back. They're going to come at you hard now,
Speaker 1: and are you willing to put in the work for
Speaker 1: the growth to survive in the current climate as the
Speaker 1: industry changes, you know. It's it's I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: you that you said that, because I have such issue
Speaker 1: with the term cancel culture because it's called accountability, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's all it is. I mean, they came
Speaker 1: up with a new term like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: being canceled. No, you're being held accountable for your bullshit, right,
Speaker 1: And people are no longer just going to sit back
Speaker 1: and tolerate it because there is power in community, right,
Speaker 1: there is power in numbers. And the more people that
Speaker 1: we recognize have been harmed right um and continue to
Speaker 1: be harmed um by people's words and their actions. You know,
Speaker 1: then it's like, yeah, we're going to need to make
Speaker 1: an example of you, because that's what accountability is supposed
Speaker 1: to it's supposed to do. It isn't meant to silence
Speaker 1: and grab somebody's mic, but it's it's supposed to make
Speaker 1: you think twice about what you're doing with the platform,
Speaker 1: the microphone, the network. It is that that you do
Speaker 1: have last question for you, Gina, is you know, with
Speaker 1: the State of Women, what are you hoping that people
Speaker 1: get from from your pod and like this team up
Speaker 1: between comedian and you know, news broadcaster, and what are
Speaker 1: you hoping people walk away with? Well, at the very
Speaker 1: base knowledge, people will walk away with more knowledge and
Speaker 1: in their pocket, and more knowledge is ammunition to affect
Speaker 1: change because we're not just telling stories, you know, we're
Speaker 1: giving history. We're giving outlets that can help people. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest takeaway is that there's there
Speaker 1: is hope in this situation for women. There is hope,
Speaker 1: but we do we do need to be ready and
Speaker 1: we need to be prepared with all of our resources
Speaker 1: and all of our connections. And it is the time
Speaker 1: where I think we need to ban together, and I
Speaker 1: think that that was part of what me and Kim
Speaker 1: loved about this entire project. And Kim is amazing. She
Speaker 1: was an amazing co host, and we learned so much
Speaker 1: together and you know, even formulated new opinions ourselves just
Speaker 1: based on the knowledge that we had. So what I
Speaker 1: hope that people take away from this is not only
Speaker 1: newfound knowledge to them about the history of everything that's
Speaker 1: going on and what really needs to change at the core,
Speaker 1: but also a means of which to affect change. We
Speaker 1: need to give people, Hey, here are the avenues that
Speaker 1: you can use to help us in this fight and
Speaker 1: to protect yourself and to know state by state what
Speaker 1: rights and laws you have, because unfortunately they're different in
Speaker 1: every state, and you have to be aware of how
Speaker 1: you are protected in each state so that you know
Speaker 1: what's your fight is going to be. And that was
Speaker 1: important to both of us to make sure that people
Speaker 1: knew here are all of your options, so that you
Speaker 1: don't just fall into this devastated hopelessness pit and spiral
Speaker 1: and think this is the saddest time. No, this won't
Speaker 1: be a difficult fight, but I believe that we can
Speaker 1: really make some things happen. So, Gina, what do you
Speaker 1: hope that people take away from the State of Women
Speaker 1: pod and this kind of marriage between you and Kimberly
Speaker 1: in terms of the news broadcaster and the comedian coming
Speaker 1: together to paint this picture of where of the state
Speaker 1: of women, of where we are as rights are turned
Speaker 1: over in every single state and there is just a
Speaker 1: patchwork of protection. Well, I think the most important thing
Speaker 1: that I want people to take away from this, aside
Speaker 1: from actionable steps that they can take to really start
Speaker 1: to affect change, is also a feeling of you're not alone,
Speaker 1: of togetherness of we understand what is going on for
Speaker 1: women right now, and we understand the importance of us
Speaker 1: all being on the same page about what our fight
Speaker 1: is for the betterment of Jesus, for the betterment of humanity,
Speaker 1: for the love of God, like Jesus for love and
Speaker 1: whatever God you believe it, we care. It's important that
Speaker 1: you know that in order to affect change, we will
Speaker 1: need to all kind of band together to fight the
Speaker 1: good fight. And what I loved about doing the podcast
Speaker 1: with Kim were the actionable steps. Because I'm the kind
Speaker 1: of person who I'm a person of action. So we
Speaker 1: can only talk up into a certain point before actions
Speaker 1: need to be taken. And I think that's what you
Speaker 1: can take away from this is like, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: just telling you bleak bleak, bleak, bleak bleak. We're like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's also how we can fix this, how we can
Speaker 1: begin to really fix this issue. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of strength, and I believe
Speaker 1: in us. I do believe that women can really switch
Speaker 1: this up. But it's going to take it's gonna take
Speaker 1: a lot, but I think we can do it if
Speaker 1: we can stick together and continue to fight. Just continue
Speaker 1: to fight, Gina Brionne. This show is the State of
Speaker 1: Women Podcasts. Folks, do check it out. Gina, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for making the time to join Woke F.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you and hope that you will join us again. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. That is it for me today.
Speaker 1: Friends on Woke F as always, power to the people
Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay
Speaker 1: woke as fuck.