WEBVTT - Patchwork of Protection 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.760 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke F Daily with 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:20.120 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:25.520 First of all, as of the time of this airing, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:31.080 it is my motherfucking birthday. So I am greatly excited 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.160 for this new year. I am so grateful for all 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.080 of you who have been holding me down on woke 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.600 F for this really tough year that we've been living 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.680 in and living through, but you know, doing so together 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.120 and in community with one another. And I can't express 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:54.040 to you all enough how grateful I am each and 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.000 every day that I get to wake up and do 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.600 what I love and do what I feel called to do, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.840 which is to be in conversation with all of you 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.000 for as long as you will have me. So I 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.000 just want to say that on this day, it is 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.680 my birthday week, my birthday month. I'm a Scorpio, so 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.759 I go hard all year long, basically all month long, 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.360 I should say it should probably start going all year long, 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.160 but all month long. And so I just want to 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.959 say that I start out this new year filled with 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.959 such a deep gratitude coming from a place of abundance. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.080 You know, folks, that regardless of the state of the world. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.920 It all really does begin inside of all of us. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.600 And so if we can, you know, live our lives 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.240 on purpose, if we can have impact in our little 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.160 corner of the universe and then lay that down at 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.319 the end of each day and rest but reflect on 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.880 what we have done, then you know we'll continue to thrive. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:55.440 And you know, just recognizing we in this country have 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.760 been through a lot of hardships. We have never seen 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.280 anything like what we're dealing with these days. But I 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.480 believe in the strength of all of us, and I 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.400 believe in the strength of community, and that's what I 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.800 continue to try and build on woke f and I 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.639 continue to try and build across social media platforms, Twitter 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.240 excluded because I am paying that fucking money. But again, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.320 I just want to thank each and every one of you. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.880 This show and this audience have been a blessing in 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.720 my life, and so I just want to say thank 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.720 you to you all for that. I'm excited for you 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:34.959 all to hear today a really powerful voice I really enjoyed. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.480 I got to say, I have been really fortunate that 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:45.680 my fantastic producer has been pulling together such just enlightening 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:51.120 enjoyable guests to be in conversation with, and today I 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:56.840 will say that Gina Brione, comedian and podcaster co host 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.600 of the State of Women, is no different the series 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.680 of folks that I have been fortunate enough to be 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:07.440 in conversation with on Gena's podcasts that she co hosts 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:12.680 with journalists and TV corresponding Kimberly Brooks. They tackle during 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.520 the series. You know what women are up against in 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.799 this country and how different the laws are for women 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:26.600 as we have witnessed a patchwork of protections, and you know, 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:33.120 we will vacillate in this conversation between deep frustrations and hopefulness. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.320 We will also delve into as I said, Gina is 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.480 a comedian, to talk about the role of comedy in 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.120 times of despair and instability and the role of art 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.920 during these times, and you know what the role is 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.280 in terms of how far you can actually push things. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.200 We know that comedians, very big names that we've talked 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.480 about on this show still punch down, as Gina will 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.800 talk about in terms of what they're making their jokes about. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.400 And can't we move on from a place where anyone 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.480 community is the butt of anyone's jokes because I don't 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.280 think and particularly in this instability and political climate that 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.560 we're living in, that those jokes are helpful and or funny. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.120 So we will talk a bit about that. So I 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:21.160 hope that you enjoy this conversation with Gina Brione, comedian 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:25.480 and co host of the podcast The State of Women 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:32.640 that is coming up next, folks. I am very excited 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.720 to welcome to Okay app Daily for the very first time, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:41.280 comedian and the co host of the State of Women podcast, 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.240 Gina Brione. The State of Women is an insightful and 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:51.239 timely podcast that looks at and explores US state which 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:55.440 US states are getting gender equity right and which are failing. Gina, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.239 I'm assuming it is all of them that are failing. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.920 But you hadn't tell me to pretend that we're going 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:06.400 to be hopeful. Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty much. Okay interview over. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.520 I'm just gonna go you nailed it. Outlook is bleak. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.400 We found a few favorable states, but I'm going to 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.520 tell you, honestly, you nailed it. There's a lot of 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.320 issues with the laws going on right now, and that's 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.240 kind of what we discovered the podcast. We wish we 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.640 would have discovered a gold mine of hope, but a 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.760 lot of it was just, Hey, this is what the 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.440 struggle is going to be. This is what the struggle, 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.840 this is what the fight is. You know. After rov 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:44.880 Wade was overturned in June, Yeah, we saw an outpouring 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.120 of outrage of women across the country, and women and 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:54.680 people with uteruses across the country marching and Kansas gave 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.240 us hope in terms of having anti abortion measures on 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.520 the ballot and people showing up and saying no, not 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:08.320 in my state. And you know, somehow, some way, Gina, 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:14.880 that enthusiasm for bodily autonomy seems to have faded. So 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.440 I want to get a sense from you, you know, 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:24.200 in the conversations that you are having, you know, why 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.520 do you think that that is and what is it? 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.360 Because I you know, maybe I'm I'm I'm naive. I 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.960 often don't like to think so, but maybe I am 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.920 that I believe that bodily autonomy would be my It's 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.480 my number one, you know, voting reason. It's my number 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.320 one as a black queer woman in these United States. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.000 I'd like to have control over my entire body, how 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.599 I think, how I move, what kind of job. I 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.680 want all of these things, but it does not seem 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.120 to be a sustainable issue. Why do you think that 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:02.440 that is? I mean, I feel the same way that 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.760 you do that it should be number one on everyone's 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.400 mind right now. And I think a lot of it 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:14.120 is people being easily distracted by other hyped up issues, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.880 which I personally believe it done intentionally to distract from 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.040 the bigger issues that will end up dividing us and 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:24.360 affecting us greatly. It's easy to get caught up in 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.280 what the news pushes in your face, where it's like, no, no, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.320 pay attention to this, forget about that other fight, pay 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.239 attention to this, And I think a lot of people 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.080 end up falling prey to that. Between that and just 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.680 generally being disappointed in the fact that they have to 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.160 fight for something like this, and that can easily deflate 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.000 someone's will and someone's fire in them. Just the constant 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.760 hitting the wall, the same wall constantly. And I think 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.119 that's why we need to continue having these conversations, because 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.000 we need to keep lighting that, relighting the fire over 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.640 and over again till we can really fix the issue 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:06.880 at its core. You know, it's so interesting because the 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.840 media is very much about following. You know, the bouncing ball, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.120 right it is, you know, they throw a bunch of 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.960 craft up and they're like, look over here, right, it's 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.240 like dangling catnip and so that you don't see what 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.960 is happening over there. And you know, as a person 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:29.840 that is in media, you know, I recognize it. You 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.880 recognize it. What do you think that we are getting 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:37.360 wrong or could be or could do to shift that 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.600 wavering attention span that we know that people in this 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:47.160 country have. Be relentless in our conversations, be relentless in 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:51.240 what we are putting out on social media in terms 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.720 of this information that you need to have, be relentless 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.600 and discussing the history of all of this. And I 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.520 think that's a big part of it too, is people 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.319 don't have an accurate history with what has been going on. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.800 And I think that has a lot to do with miseducation, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.679 and that's like a whole other issue. But I think 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.480 that's why it's really important to continue to in almost 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.120 an obnoxious way, and I'm sorry, but it needs to 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.040 be this because this is a big issue. Push this 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.200 upfront and go no, forget about all the flash that 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.800 people are pushing in your face. This issue is still 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.080 having a trickle down effect, and it's going on behind 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.680 the scenes, and nobody is paying attention to it anymore. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:37.040 You know, you're a comedian, and you know comedy has 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.440 oftentimes been used as the way to soften the blow, right, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:46.120 but to bring very real, stark issues through the through 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:51.480 the lens of storytelling and humor, to deliver to people 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:57.520 what the news straight straight up news can't. So can 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.679 you talk a bit about like comedy humor, particularly in 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.760 these times Gina, that are just so dire and feel 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:11.479 so heavy, the role that you think that comedy plays 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.680 well For me personally, comedy has always been very healing, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.560 and I've always believed that it can be healing and 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.760 then it can be a point of connection for people. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.120 So I think it's important, especially for a lot of 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.480 female comics, to cover issues like this and to talk 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.680 about what it's like in whatever voice they have on stage. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.920 Nobody I wouldn't want to force somebody to be something 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:34.480 that they weren't, but I do think that it's an 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.080 important issue for all of us to be tackling, especially 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:42.120 in comedy clubs, because we end up reaching so many people. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.079 You have an audience at any given point. I can 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.920 perform in New York for a couple of hundred people 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.240 over the weekend. We're talking to three hundred people at 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.400 the weekend. That's two or three hundred more people that 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.040 could leave having more information. And in the form of 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.480 a joke, it doesn't even seem like you're learning, or 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.640 in the form of a story or a bit, it 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.440 doesn't seem like you're gathering information. But people will walk 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.120 out of a comedy club going, oh my god, remember 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.760 that bit that she talked about. I'm going to go 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.760 check that story out, or isn't that crazy. I'm gonna 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.360 go follow her and I'm going to follow what she does. 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.360 And I really agreed with her point on X y Z. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.600 And I've even had men come up to me after 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.000 a show and be like, you know, I've never thought 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:24.280 about things that way. And it's important to put to 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.439 give people as much information as possible because a lot 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.959 of people fear what they don't know, and they won't 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.040 go into what they don't know. And I think comedy 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.040 is a great avenue to get people at least curious 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.280 about some of the topics and some of the history 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.959 that they're not aware of. How do you think that 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:48.720 comedy has shifted as we have moved into a place 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.600 of more I guess, for lack of a better word, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.959 social awareness, right, the awareness that you know, there were 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.480 communities and still are communities that are made to be 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.160 the butt right of of jokes that are made to 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.520 you know, which which I think in many ways is 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.720 the way in which you do humanize people. Right, Um, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.240 you laugh at them, you make fun of them. I 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.240 know from from listening to many comedians, you know, their 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.920 stories are of the ones that were bullied, right, but 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.240 then using comedy as kind of the avenue to move 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.040 out of that place of of of despair. Right, I'll 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.680 make them laugh, right, as opposed to laughing at me, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.959 I will make them laugh. But what do you think 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.600 about kind of this this friction place that we have 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:41.800 seen with comedians, you know, who are still in this 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.480 vein of saying everything is on the table in terms 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.040 of the jokes that they make. How does that how 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:50.840 does that land with you? And what and what do 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.719 you think about that perspective? Oh, it's so funny. We're 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.080 actually having this discussion last night about the world of 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.400 comedy and the artistry versus the business, and I think 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.679 what comics argue and fight for is always going to 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.839 be the artistry of comedy, the freedom to do whatever 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.079 they want on stage, and the freedom as an artist 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.440 and as a comic. I can understand that, but I 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.400 do believe that even in the beginnings of comedy, even 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.320 the artistry was sort of based on what was the 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.160 easiest joke you could make at the time. And I think, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:29.880 like everything, everything evolves, and comedy went from one liners 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.680 to stories to this, and I think there comes a 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.200 time when we do have to admit that the foundation 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.960 at which we started this wonderful artistry that I love 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.679 was often built on low hanging fruit and punching down. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.360 And now, because the climate is changing and the world 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:54.360 is changing, comedy will have to evolve because it cannot 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.600 survive the way it is in this climate. You really 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.559 have to question if you're going to continue to do 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.679 then how can you not grow in the current climate. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:08.080 How can nobody is tolerating low hanging fruit anymore? Comedy 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.000 audiences are becoming more and more savvy to the business itself, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.040 and so as somebody who loves the artistry of comedy 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.200 but sometimes gets tangled in the all the problems with 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.960 the business, because the business of comedy is where we 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:29.000 need that control in terms of cancel culture. That's sort 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:30.880 of you know, to use a term that I'm probably 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.360 sure in no ways everybody, but it's where we need 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:38.240 to fix that issue. That's the issue that we need 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:43.760 to start respecting a lot more of the underdogs that 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.920 we've attacked for so many years and that made it 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.840 so easy. It's time to step up and go, no, 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.440 there's a there's a better way of doing this. There's 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.120 a way that we can. Actually, I always loved comics 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.640 that were socially conscious. I always love comics that had 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.520 something to say. I'm a huge Carlin fan. I love 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.960 Eddie Izzard. I love the people that put stuff out 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.520 there that was like, hey, I'm going to hold a 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.400 mirror up to this and show you the systemic issues, 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.160 the personal issues, all the things. I've always loved comics 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.400 like that, and I'm actually I think it's a point 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.600 of view shift for a lot of comedians where stopped 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.160 looking at this as an attack and look at it 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.800 like an evolution. And you'll have a better time adjusting 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.360 if you can look at it as an evolution of 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.680 a business that we all at our core. I hope 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:36.560 love I love that you say that because I think that, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:42.160 you know, oftentimes I am in the vein of I 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.400 don't want people to have to temper their art right 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.360 because I think that art, regardless of what medium you use, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.560 whether it's comedy, whether it's photography, you know, whether it's 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.440 athlete content creation, just in general, that you should have 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.600 the freedom right to be able to imagine outside of 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:08.520 re outside of reality, or use reality, uh as a 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.720 way to tell a deeper story that other people may 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.880 not experience. But at the same time, you know, when 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.080 I hear people saying that they feel quote unquote shackled 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.520 by the inability to punch down, by the inability to 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:29.880 you know, use stereotypes and slurs as a way to 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.640 to to tell their to tell their jokes or to 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.080 express themselves. You know, we're seeing this, you know right 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.640 now with Kanye West and his entire devolving right that 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.120 we're we're watching in real time, which is well, he's 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.920 a genius, he's an artist, and he is thinking differently, 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.720 and you're like, or he's an anti semi an anti black, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:57.200 and like a or he's problematic and all of these things, 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:02.640 and so you know what, what how do you how 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:07.600 do you structure this idea of evolution with people feeling 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.639 like they are shackled and also some audience members that 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.600 are just like, oh, it's just a joke. It's just 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.560 a joke. It's just this. It's just a song, right, Like, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.080 get over it, you snowflakes, You're so sensitive, right, it's 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:28.040 like the constant refrain. Yeah, that's it's funny because I 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.440 feel like the comics and the audience members that are 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:36.080 like that, it's this is this is I feel like 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.399 something that a lot of people might have a problem with. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:46.040 So um, there's a level of adolescence in that reaction. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.080 There's a level of you have not evolved or matured 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.680 as an individual, because really, the only people who should 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.960 be bothered by this evolution, the only reason you would 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.600 be bothered by this is if you are misogynistic, or 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.560 if you are racist, or if you are problematic, because 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.280 I don't. I never looked at it like oh my god, 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.919 they're coming for me and I'm going to be in trouble, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.080 and no, I was like, okay, yes, in the past, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.479 I may have used language that now I regret using 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.720 because when I started in comedy, the environment was a 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.880 free for all. We never we worked in an environment 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.840 basically without rules. We've worked in an environment where nobody 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.680 told us we were like the misfits of the entertainment business, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:32.080 and everybody loved that because we were unregulated for so long. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.320 And that's you know. I don't put a moralistic good 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.480 or bad on that. However, it was a problem creating 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:43.040 situation because now that we are being held accountable as 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.800 an artist. Yes, of course, do whatever you want as 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.160 an artist, but now there are bigger consequences to pay 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.600 if you decide as an artist, I am not going 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.880 to evolve. I'm going to continue to punch down. I'm 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.080 going to do what I want. Well, then don't complain 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.960 about being canceled. You know the current vironment, and you 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.280 know that we are, in the end trying to protect 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.960 the rights of so many people and respect so many 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:11.399 different people and their views and different topics and talking 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.639 about things in a well rounded way where you're not 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:19.000 just being completely selfish with I just want to say this, 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.080 and thoughtless with what you're saying. Put some real thought 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:27.960 into how you are putting together your opinion on everything. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.120 What is your opinion? What do you want to say? 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.840 And is it the kind of opinion that pushes us 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.560 towards progress or is it the kind of opinion that 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.160 has been holding us back? And that's really something about 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.320 self awareness. How you are talking about something, How where 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.199 are you of the implications of what you say. I 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.120 think I've been going over the phrase in my mind 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.520 recently where people say, you know, sticks and stones can hurt, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.760 can break by bones, but words can never harm me. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.600 That's funny because I can tell you I remember every 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.840 negative thing that's ever been said to me. So how 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.200 can you say that words can never harm you if 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.520 half of us are traumatized by the things that were 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.320 said to us about ourselves when we were younger. Instead 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.840 of foundation of such low self esteem and self hatred, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.440 of course, where its have an effect. And I think 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.679 we need to start paying attention to the words we 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.400 use in communication with each other and also when we're 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:27.560 talking about things and comics. Feel like that's limiting, but 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.080 I don't think it's limiting at all. I think if 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.439 you change your perspective on it again, that's where the 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.919 evolution comes in. You have an evolution of thought you 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.520 have an evolution of feeling when you really sit back 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.879 and go. I mean, I had to tackle things that 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.760 made me uncomfortable. I had to tackle and I'm still 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.680 in the process of tackling internalized misogyny and the things 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.800 that I grew up with and breaking those down for 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.200 myself working in a business that is dominated by men 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.560 and having to become one of the boys to survive 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.080 in the first place. And I think a lot of 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.840 people don't realize that that's what the business was founded on. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.520 This is a male run business, and women coming into 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.280 it changes the game automatically because we do have a 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.080 different perspective, because we do have to navigate through the 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.000 world differently, and I think that changes the game. And 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:16.119 now that we are really banding together and fighting for 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.840 so many different rights and so many different voices, and 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:24.440 I think it's wonderful. I'm excited by it. And it 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.320 makes me sad to see some of the people I 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:32.400 considered brothers in comedy not understanding how important the shift is. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.480 I'm so glad that you because I was wanted to 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.760 ask you this question about the male dominance right in 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:49.840 comedy and about what what kind of persona women have 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:54.520 had to take on in order to survive in this 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:59.600 male dominated oftentime, misogynistic oftentime. What do we what do 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:04.320 we say? Um? You know, locker room uh type of 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.080 type of environment. So can you you know, I don't 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.560 want to retraumatize, but if you could, if you could, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.000 if you could just paint a picture of, you know, 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.280 of what it has been like. I mean, there are 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:23.199 more women right in comedy now, um uh. Then you 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:24.960 know then they have been just like there are more 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:29.159 women in more and in more spaces and industries that 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.800 they have been traditionally locked out of, which is why 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:36.160 we are seeing folks, uh, the kind of pushback into 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:40.280 bodily autonomy and women's rights for that very reason. So 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.280 can you just paint the picture of of of what 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:47.240 what that has been like? Um? And you know, and 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.560 how far or maybe not how far the industry as 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:57.199 a whole has come. I mean, it seems to me 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.640 that a lot of comics are still divided, are still 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.240 very like they don't know what they're fighting for. I 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.320 think I think a lot of comics are confused as 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.879 to what they're fighting for. Once you're fighting for is 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.720 the artistry and the right to say what you want 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.520 to say, and as an artist, I can respect that, 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.439 but you don't understand that what needs to change is 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.560 how we navigate through the business of comedy. That is 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.359 what needs to change, and yes, that affects the artistry. 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.000 But you can look at that as negative or you 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:25.960 can see it as a very positive thing in terms 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.600 of pushing you and challenge your challenging yourself towards growth 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.679 and understanding. There's a lot of amazing comics that I 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.359 think if they didn't look at this as some form 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:40.359 of attack, would be brilliant voices in this fight. And 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:45.240 there's some of my favorite comics and this, you know, 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.280 being a male dominated industry, I think what the men 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.359 need to understand in this industry is that, yes, we 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.840 do need your support. Yes we do need your voices 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:58.560 because y'all run shit and we can't change shit without 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.159 your support. Without your voices, we cannot change shit. We 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.080 need you to be as effective in this and push 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.480 for this as much as we do, because this is 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.800 a thing where we need to band together and realize 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:14.680 that on a systemic level, things need to change worldwide, 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.600 like this needs to change, like particular in this country, 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.880