1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke F Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: First of all, as of the time of this airing, 4 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: it is my motherfucking birthday. So I am greatly excited 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: for this new year. I am so grateful for all 6 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: of you who have been holding me down on woke 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: F for this really tough year that we've been living 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: in and living through, but you know, doing so together 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: and in community with one another. And I can't express 10 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: to you all enough how grateful I am each and 11 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: every day that I get to wake up and do 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: what I love and do what I feel called to do, 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: which is to be in conversation with all of you 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: for as long as you will have me. So I 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: just want to say that on this day, it is 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: my birthday week, my birthday month. I'm a Scorpio, so 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: I go hard all year long, basically all month long, 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: I should say it should probably start going all year long, 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: but all month long. And so I just want to 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: say that I start out this new year filled with 21 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: such a deep gratitude coming from a place of abundance. 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, folks, that regardless of the state of the world. 23 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: It all really does begin inside of all of us. 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: And so if we can, you know, live our lives 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: on purpose, if we can have impact in our little 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: corner of the universe and then lay that down at 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: the end of each day and rest but reflect on 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: what we have done, then you know we'll continue to thrive. 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: And you know, just recognizing we in this country have 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: been through a lot of hardships. We have never seen 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: anything like what we're dealing with these days. But I 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: believe in the strength of all of us, and I 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: believe in the strength of community, and that's what I 34 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: continue to try and build on woke f and I 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: continue to try and build across social media platforms, Twitter 36 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: excluded because I am paying that fucking money. But again, 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: I just want to thank each and every one of you. 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: This show and this audience have been a blessing in 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: my life, and so I just want to say thank 40 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: you to you all for that. I'm excited for you 41 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: all to hear today a really powerful voice I really enjoyed. 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: I got to say, I have been really fortunate that 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: my fantastic producer has been pulling together such just enlightening 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: enjoyable guests to be in conversation with, and today I 45 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: will say that Gina Brione, comedian and podcaster co host 46 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: of the State of Women, is no different the series 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: of folks that I have been fortunate enough to be 48 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: in conversation with on Gena's podcasts that she co hosts 49 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: with journalists and TV corresponding Kimberly Brooks. They tackle during 50 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: the series. You know what women are up against in 51 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: this country and how different the laws are for women 52 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: as we have witnessed a patchwork of protections, and you know, 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: we will vacillate in this conversation between deep frustrations and hopefulness. 54 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: We will also delve into as I said, Gina is 55 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: a comedian, to talk about the role of comedy in 56 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: times of despair and instability and the role of art 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: during these times, and you know what the role is 58 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: in terms of how far you can actually push things. 59 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: We know that comedians, very big names that we've talked 60 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: about on this show still punch down, as Gina will 61 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: talk about in terms of what they're making their jokes about. 62 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: And can't we move on from a place where anyone 63 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: community is the butt of anyone's jokes because I don't 64 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: think and particularly in this instability and political climate that 65 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: we're living in, that those jokes are helpful and or funny. 66 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: So we will talk a bit about that. So I 67 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: hope that you enjoy this conversation with Gina Brione, comedian 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: and co host of the podcast The State of Women 69 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: that is coming up next, folks. I am very excited 70 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: to welcome to Okay app Daily for the very first time, 71 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: comedian and the co host of the State of Women podcast, 72 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: Gina Brione. The State of Women is an insightful and 73 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: timely podcast that looks at and explores US state which 74 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: US states are getting gender equity right and which are failing. Gina, 75 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 1: I'm assuming it is all of them that are failing. 76 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: But you hadn't tell me to pretend that we're going 77 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: to be hopeful. Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty much. Okay interview over. 78 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go you nailed it. Outlook is bleak. 79 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: We found a few favorable states, but I'm going to 80 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: tell you, honestly, you nailed it. There's a lot of 81 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: issues with the laws going on right now, and that's 82 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: kind of what we discovered the podcast. We wish we 83 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: would have discovered a gold mine of hope, but a 84 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: lot of it was just, Hey, this is what the 85 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: struggle is going to be. This is what the struggle, 86 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: this is what the fight is. You know. After rov 87 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: Wade was overturned in June, Yeah, we saw an outpouring 88 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: of outrage of women across the country, and women and 89 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: people with uteruses across the country marching and Kansas gave 90 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: us hope in terms of having anti abortion measures on 91 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: the ballot and people showing up and saying no, not 92 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: in my state. And you know, somehow, some way, Gina, 93 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: that enthusiasm for bodily autonomy seems to have faded. So 94 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: I want to get a sense from you, you know, 95 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: in the conversations that you are having, you know, why 96 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: do you think that that is and what is it? 97 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: Because I you know, maybe I'm I'm I'm naive. I 98 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: often don't like to think so, but maybe I am 99 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: that I believe that bodily autonomy would be my It's 100 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: my number one, you know, voting reason. It's my number 101 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: one as a black queer woman in these United States. 102 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: I'd like to have control over my entire body, how 103 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: I think, how I move, what kind of job. I 104 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: want all of these things, but it does not seem 105 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: to be a sustainable issue. Why do you think that 106 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: that is? I mean, I feel the same way that 107 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: you do that it should be number one on everyone's 108 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: mind right now. And I think a lot of it 109 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: is people being easily distracted by other hyped up issues, 110 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: which I personally believe it done intentionally to distract from 111 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: the bigger issues that will end up dividing us and 112 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: affecting us greatly. It's easy to get caught up in 113 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: what the news pushes in your face, where it's like, no, no, 114 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: pay attention to this, forget about that other fight, pay 115 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 1: attention to this, And I think a lot of people 116 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: end up falling prey to that. Between that and just 117 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: generally being disappointed in the fact that they have to 118 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: fight for something like this, and that can easily deflate 119 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: someone's will and someone's fire in them. Just the constant 120 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: hitting the wall, the same wall constantly. And I think 121 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: that's why we need to continue having these conversations, because 122 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: we need to keep lighting that, relighting the fire over 123 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: and over again till we can really fix the issue 124 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: at its core. You know, it's so interesting because the 125 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: media is very much about following. You know, the bouncing ball, 126 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: right it is, you know, they throw a bunch of 127 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: craft up and they're like, look over here, right, it's 128 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: like dangling catnip and so that you don't see what 129 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: is happening over there. And you know, as a person 130 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: that is in media, you know, I recognize it. You 131 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: recognize it. What do you think that we are getting 132 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: wrong or could be or could do to shift that 133 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: wavering attention span that we know that people in this 134 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: country have. Be relentless in our conversations, be relentless in 135 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: what we are putting out on social media in terms 136 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: of this information that you need to have, be relentless 137 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: and discussing the history of all of this. And I 138 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it too, is people 139 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: don't have an accurate history with what has been going on. 140 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: And I think that has a lot to do with miseducation, 141 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: and that's like a whole other issue. But I think 142 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: that's why it's really important to continue to in almost 143 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: an obnoxious way, and I'm sorry, but it needs to 144 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: be this because this is a big issue. Push this 145 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: upfront and go no, forget about all the flash that 146 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: people are pushing in your face. This issue is still 147 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: having a trickle down effect, and it's going on behind 148 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: the scenes, and nobody is paying attention to it anymore. 149 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: You know, you're a comedian, and you know comedy has 150 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: oftentimes been used as the way to soften the blow, right, 151 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: but to bring very real, stark issues through the through 152 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: the lens of storytelling and humor, to deliver to people 153 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: what the news straight straight up news can't. So can 154 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: you talk a bit about like comedy humor, particularly in 155 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: these times Gina, that are just so dire and feel 156 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,479 Speaker 1: so heavy, the role that you think that comedy plays 157 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: well For me personally, comedy has always been very healing, 158 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: and I've always believed that it can be healing and 159 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: then it can be a point of connection for people. 160 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: So I think it's important, especially for a lot of 161 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: female comics, to cover issues like this and to talk 162 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: about what it's like in whatever voice they have on stage. 163 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: Nobody I wouldn't want to force somebody to be something 164 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: that they weren't, but I do think that it's an 165 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: important issue for all of us to be tackling, especially 166 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: in comedy clubs, because we end up reaching so many people. 167 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: You have an audience at any given point. I can 168 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: perform in New York for a couple of hundred people 169 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: over the weekend. We're talking to three hundred people at 170 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the weekend. That's two or three hundred more people that 171 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: could leave having more information. And in the form of 172 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: a joke, it doesn't even seem like you're learning, or 173 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: in the form of a story or a bit, it 174 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like you're gathering information. But people will walk 175 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: out of a comedy club going, oh my god, remember 176 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: that bit that she talked about. I'm going to go 177 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: check that story out, or isn't that crazy. I'm gonna 178 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: go follow her and I'm going to follow what she does. 179 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: And I really agreed with her point on X y Z. 180 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: And I've even had men come up to me after 181 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: a show and be like, you know, I've never thought 182 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: about things that way. And it's important to put to 183 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: give people as much information as possible because a lot 184 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: of people fear what they don't know, and they won't 185 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: go into what they don't know. And I think comedy 186 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: is a great avenue to get people at least curious 187 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: about some of the topics and some of the history 188 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: that they're not aware of. How do you think that 189 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: comedy has shifted as we have moved into a place 190 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: of more I guess, for lack of a better word, 191 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: social awareness, right, the awareness that you know, there were 192 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: communities and still are communities that are made to be 193 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: the butt right of of jokes that are made to 194 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, which which I think in many ways is 195 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: the way in which you do humanize people. Right, Um, 196 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: you laugh at them, you make fun of them. I 197 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: know from from listening to many comedians, you know, their 198 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: stories are of the ones that were bullied, right, but 199 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: then using comedy as kind of the avenue to move 200 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: out of that place of of of despair. Right, I'll 201 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: make them laugh, right, as opposed to laughing at me, 202 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: I will make them laugh. But what do you think 203 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: about kind of this this friction place that we have 204 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: seen with comedians, you know, who are still in this 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: vein of saying everything is on the table in terms 206 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: of the jokes that they make. How does that how 207 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: does that land with you? And what and what do 208 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: you think about that perspective? Oh, it's so funny. We're 209 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: actually having this discussion last night about the world of 210 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: comedy and the artistry versus the business, and I think 211 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: what comics argue and fight for is always going to 212 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: be the artistry of comedy, the freedom to do whatever 213 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: they want on stage, and the freedom as an artist 214 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: and as a comic. I can understand that, but I 215 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: do believe that even in the beginnings of comedy, even 216 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: the artistry was sort of based on what was the 217 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: easiest joke you could make at the time. And I think, 218 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: like everything, everything evolves, and comedy went from one liners 219 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: to stories to this, and I think there comes a 220 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: time when we do have to admit that the foundation 221 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: at which we started this wonderful artistry that I love 222 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: was often built on low hanging fruit and punching down. 223 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: And now, because the climate is changing and the world 224 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: is changing, comedy will have to evolve because it cannot 225 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: survive the way it is in this climate. You really 226 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: have to question if you're going to continue to do 227 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: then how can you not grow in the current climate. 228 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: How can nobody is tolerating low hanging fruit anymore? Comedy 229 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: audiences are becoming more and more savvy to the business itself, 230 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: and so as somebody who loves the artistry of comedy 231 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: but sometimes gets tangled in the all the problems with 232 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: the business, because the business of comedy is where we 233 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: need that control in terms of cancel culture. That's sort 234 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: of you know, to use a term that I'm probably 235 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: sure in no ways everybody, but it's where we need 236 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: to fix that issue. That's the issue that we need 237 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: to start respecting a lot more of the underdogs that 238 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: we've attacked for so many years and that made it 239 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: so easy. It's time to step up and go, no, 240 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: there's a there's a better way of doing this. There's 241 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: a way that we can. Actually, I always loved comics 242 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: that were socially conscious. I always love comics that had 243 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: something to say. I'm a huge Carlin fan. I love 244 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: Eddie Izzard. I love the people that put stuff out 245 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: there that was like, hey, I'm going to hold a 246 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: mirror up to this and show you the systemic issues, 247 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: the personal issues, all the things. I've always loved comics 248 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: like that, and I'm actually I think it's a point 249 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: of view shift for a lot of comedians where stopped 250 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: looking at this as an attack and look at it 251 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: like an evolution. And you'll have a better time adjusting 252 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: if you can look at it as an evolution of 253 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: a business that we all at our core. I hope 254 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: love I love that you say that because I think that, 255 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, oftentimes I am in the vein of I 256 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: don't want people to have to temper their art right 257 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: because I think that art, regardless of what medium you use, 258 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: whether it's comedy, whether it's photography, you know, whether it's 259 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: athlete content creation, just in general, that you should have 260 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: the freedom right to be able to imagine outside of 261 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: re outside of reality, or use reality, uh as a 262 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: way to tell a deeper story that other people may 263 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: not experience. But at the same time, you know, when 264 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: I hear people saying that they feel quote unquote shackled 265 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: by the inability to punch down, by the inability to 266 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, use stereotypes and slurs as a way to 267 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: to to tell their to tell their jokes or to 268 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: express themselves. You know, we're seeing this, you know right 269 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: now with Kanye West and his entire devolving right that 270 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: we're we're watching in real time, which is well, he's 271 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: a genius, he's an artist, and he is thinking differently, 272 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: and you're like, or he's an anti semi an anti black, 273 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: and like a or he's problematic and all of these things, 274 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: and so you know what, what how do you how 275 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: do you structure this idea of evolution with people feeling 276 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: like they are shackled and also some audience members that 277 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: are just like, oh, it's just a joke. It's just 278 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: a joke. It's just this. It's just a song, right, Like, 279 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: get over it, you snowflakes, You're so sensitive, right, it's 280 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: like the constant refrain. Yeah, that's it's funny because I 281 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: feel like the comics and the audience members that are 282 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: like that, it's this is this is I feel like 283 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: something that a lot of people might have a problem with. 284 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: So um, there's a level of adolescence in that reaction. 285 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: There's a level of you have not evolved or matured 286 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: as an individual, because really, the only people who should 287 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: be bothered by this evolution, the only reason you would 288 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: be bothered by this is if you are misogynistic, or 289 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: if you are racist, or if you are problematic, because 290 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I never looked at it like oh my god, 291 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: they're coming for me and I'm going to be in trouble, 292 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: and no, I was like, okay, yes, in the past, 293 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: I may have used language that now I regret using 294 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: because when I started in comedy, the environment was a 295 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: free for all. We never we worked in an environment 296 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: basically without rules. We've worked in an environment where nobody 297 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: told us we were like the misfits of the entertainment business, 298 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: and everybody loved that because we were unregulated for so long. 299 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: And that's you know. I don't put a moralistic good 300 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: or bad on that. However, it was a problem creating 301 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: situation because now that we are being held accountable as 302 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: an artist. Yes, of course, do whatever you want as 303 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: an artist, but now there are bigger consequences to pay 304 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: if you decide as an artist, I am not going 305 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: to evolve. I'm going to continue to punch down. I'm 306 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: going to do what I want. Well, then don't complain 307 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: about being canceled. You know the current vironment, and you 308 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: know that we are, in the end trying to protect 309 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: the rights of so many people and respect so many 310 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: different people and their views and different topics and talking 311 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: about things in a well rounded way where you're not 312 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: just being completely selfish with I just want to say this, 313 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: and thoughtless with what you're saying. Put some real thought 314 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: into how you are putting together your opinion on everything. 315 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: What is your opinion? What do you want to say? 316 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: And is it the kind of opinion that pushes us 317 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: towards progress or is it the kind of opinion that 318 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: has been holding us back? And that's really something about 319 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: self awareness. How you are talking about something, How where 320 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: are you of the implications of what you say. I 321 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: think I've been going over the phrase in my mind 322 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: recently where people say, you know, sticks and stones can hurt, 323 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: can break by bones, but words can never harm me. 324 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: That's funny because I can tell you I remember every 325 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: negative thing that's ever been said to me. So how 326 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: can you say that words can never harm you if 327 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: half of us are traumatized by the things that were 328 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: said to us about ourselves when we were younger. Instead 329 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: of foundation of such low self esteem and self hatred, 330 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: of course, where its have an effect. And I think 331 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: we need to start paying attention to the words we 332 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: use in communication with each other and also when we're 333 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: talking about things and comics. Feel like that's limiting, but 334 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it's limiting at all. I think if 335 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: you change your perspective on it again, that's where the 336 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: evolution comes in. You have an evolution of thought you 337 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: have an evolution of feeling when you really sit back 338 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: and go. I mean, I had to tackle things that 339 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: made me uncomfortable. I had to tackle and I'm still 340 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: in the process of tackling internalized misogyny and the things 341 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: that I grew up with and breaking those down for 342 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: myself working in a business that is dominated by men 343 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: and having to become one of the boys to survive 344 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: in the first place. And I think a lot of 345 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: people don't realize that that's what the business was founded on. 346 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: This is a male run business, and women coming into 347 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: it changes the game automatically because we do have a 348 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: different perspective, because we do have to navigate through the 349 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: world differently, and I think that changes the game. And 350 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: now that we are really banding together and fighting for 351 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: so many different rights and so many different voices, and 352 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: I think it's wonderful. I'm excited by it. And it 353 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: makes me sad to see some of the people I 354 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: considered brothers in comedy not understanding how important the shift is. 355 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you because I was wanted to 356 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: ask you this question about the male dominance right in 357 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: comedy and about what what kind of persona women have 358 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: had to take on in order to survive in this 359 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: male dominated oftentime, misogynistic oftentime. What do we what do 360 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: we say? Um? You know, locker room uh type of 361 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: type of environment. So can you you know, I don't 362 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: want to retraumatize, but if you could, if you could, 363 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: if you could just paint a picture of, you know, 364 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: of what it has been like. I mean, there are 365 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: more women right in comedy now, um uh. Then you 366 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: know then they have been just like there are more 367 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: women in more and in more spaces and industries that 368 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: they have been traditionally locked out of, which is why 369 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: we are seeing folks, uh, the kind of pushback into 370 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: bodily autonomy and women's rights for that very reason. So 371 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: can you just paint the picture of of of what 372 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: what that has been like? Um? And you know, and 373 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: how far or maybe not how far the industry as 374 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: a whole has come. I mean, it seems to me 375 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: that a lot of comics are still divided, are still 376 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: very like they don't know what they're fighting for. I 377 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: think I think a lot of comics are confused as 378 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: to what they're fighting for. Once you're fighting for is 379 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: the artistry and the right to say what you want 380 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: to say, and as an artist, I can respect that, 381 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: but you don't understand that what needs to change is 382 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: how we navigate through the business of comedy. That is 383 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: what needs to change, and yes, that affects the artistry. 384 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: But you can look at that as negative or you 385 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: can see it as a very positive thing in terms 386 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: of pushing you and challenge your challenging yourself towards growth 387 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: and understanding. There's a lot of amazing comics that I 388 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: think if they didn't look at this as some form 389 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: of attack, would be brilliant voices in this fight. And 390 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: there's some of my favorite comics and this, you know, 391 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: being a male dominated industry, I think what the men 392 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: need to understand in this industry is that, yes, we 393 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: do need your support. Yes we do need your voices 394 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: because y'all run shit and we can't change shit without 395 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: your support. Without your voices, we cannot change shit. We 396 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: need you to be as effective in this and push 397 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: for this as much as we do, because this is 398 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: a thing where we need to band together and realize 399 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: that on a systemic level, things need to change worldwide, 400 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: like this needs to change, like particular in this country, 401 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: like it needs to change. But in the business of comedy, 402 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: without the support of the men in the industry, it 403 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: is going to be a very difficult fight. And that's 404 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: why we have to kind of get them to like, 405 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: ky like, this isn't supposed to be scary for you. 406 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: This isn't supposed to be scary. Why is it scary? 407 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: Is it scary because you refuse to change the things 408 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: that you want to freely say on stage that are hurtful, disrespectful, insulting, 409 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: and just lazy writing. It's just stop stop going for 410 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: the easy and start trying to evolve. You know, you 411 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: look at people in this business that we're legendary, like 412 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: somebody like Carlin, and you watch his evolution as a performer, 413 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: being a Carlin fan myself and watching him go from silly, 414 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: goofy Carlin to political commentator to this person who's just 415 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: blowing our minds with the information he gave us. And 416 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, how can you not be for evolution when 417 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: your favorite comedians, the ones that were legendary, went through 418 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: such an evolution themselves. And I think we can get there. 419 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: I think we can get there, but it takes a 420 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: lot of being real with each other about how lazy 421 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: the industry has been in terms of writing. It was 422 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: of course it was easy before. Of course it was easy. 423 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: We made the obvious jokes. We went from you know, 424 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: telling basic schoolyard knock knock jokes to one liners to 425 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: know that take my wife please type jokes, that humor 426 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: that lasted for the longest time. That was the foundation 427 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: for the business. And what we're looking at now similar 428 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: to people growing up and fixing the foundation of their childhood, 429 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: which whatever damage in trauma they had there, we're going 430 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: to therapy and you're healing yourself. Comedy needs a healing. 431 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: It needs a healing, and it needs to sort of 432 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: admit that we can evolve without destroying the artistry. But 433 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: it's going to take some incredible self awareness and admitting 434 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: certain truths to ourselves about how we've been and how 435 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: we've interacted. One thing that I will say that is 436 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: a good thing, but I wish it wasn't it didn't 437 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: come across so negative, is that the fear that so 438 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: many people have of being canceled is now trying to 439 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: starting to control their behavior. It's like, yes, watch how 440 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: you speak to me. Yes, pay attention to how you 441 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: talk on stage and in interviews and other things, because 442 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: now there is now we will not just okay it, 443 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: and now it will not just roll off our backs. 444 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: Now something will be said and you will be held accountable. 445 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: And that's for everyone, for men, for women in this industry. 446 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: You will be held accountable for the things that you say. 447 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: So you can say whatever you want again goes back 448 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: to you. Ready for those consequences, because they're going to 449 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: come back. They're going to come at you hard now, 450 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: and are you willing to put in the work for 451 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: the growth to survive in the current climate as the 452 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: industry changes, you know. It's it's I'm so glad that 453 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: you that you said that, because I have such issue 454 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: with the term cancel culture because it's called accountability, right, 455 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: Like that's that's all it is. I mean, they came 456 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: up with a new term like, oh my god, I'm 457 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: being canceled. No, you're being held accountable for your bullshit, right, 458 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: And people are no longer just going to sit back 459 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: and tolerate it because there is power in community, right, 460 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: there is power in numbers. And the more people that 461 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: we recognize have been harmed right um and continue to 462 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: be harmed um by people's words and their actions. You know, 463 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: then it's like, yeah, we're going to need to make 464 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: an example of you, because that's what accountability is supposed 465 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: to it's supposed to do. It isn't meant to silence 466 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: and grab somebody's mic, but it's it's supposed to make 467 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: you think twice about what you're doing with the platform, 468 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: the microphone, the network. It is that that you do 469 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: have last question for you, Gina, is you know, with 470 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: the State of Women, what are you hoping that people 471 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: get from from your pod and like this team up 472 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: between comedian and you know, news broadcaster, and what are 473 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: you hoping people walk away with? Well, at the very 474 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: base knowledge, people will walk away with more knowledge and 475 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: in their pocket, and more knowledge is ammunition to affect 476 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: change because we're not just telling stories, you know, we're 477 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: giving history. We're giving outlets that can help people. And 478 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest takeaway is that there's there 479 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: is hope in this situation for women. There is hope, 480 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: but we do we do need to be ready and 481 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: we need to be prepared with all of our resources 482 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: and all of our connections. And it is the time 483 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: where I think we need to ban together, and I 484 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: think that that was part of what me and Kim 485 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: loved about this entire project. And Kim is amazing. She 486 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: was an amazing co host, and we learned so much 487 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: together and you know, even formulated new opinions ourselves just 488 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: based on the knowledge that we had. So what I 489 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: hope that people take away from this is not only 490 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: newfound knowledge to them about the history of everything that's 491 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: going on and what really needs to change at the core, 492 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: but also a means of which to affect change. We 493 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: need to give people, Hey, here are the avenues that 494 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: you can use to help us in this fight and 495 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: to protect yourself and to know state by state what 496 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: rights and laws you have, because unfortunately they're different in 497 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: every state, and you have to be aware of how 498 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: you are protected in each state so that you know 499 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: what's your fight is going to be. And that was 500 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: important to both of us to make sure that people 501 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: knew here are all of your options, so that you 502 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: don't just fall into this devastated hopelessness pit and spiral 503 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: and think this is the saddest time. No, this won't 504 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: be a difficult fight, but I believe that we can 505 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: really make some things happen. So, Gina, what do you 506 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: hope that people take away from the State of Women 507 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: pod and this kind of marriage between you and Kimberly 508 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: in terms of the news broadcaster and the comedian coming 509 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: together to paint this picture of where of the state 510 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: of women, of where we are as rights are turned 511 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: over in every single state and there is just a 512 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: patchwork of protection. Well, I think the most important thing 513 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: that I want people to take away from this, aside 514 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: from actionable steps that they can take to really start 515 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: to affect change, is also a feeling of you're not alone, 516 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: of togetherness of we understand what is going on for 517 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: women right now, and we understand the importance of us 518 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: all being on the same page about what our fight 519 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: is for the betterment of Jesus, for the betterment of humanity, 520 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: for the love of God, like Jesus for love and 521 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: whatever God you believe it, we care. It's important that 522 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: you know that in order to affect change, we will 523 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 1: need to all kind of band together to fight the 524 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: good fight. And what I loved about doing the podcast 525 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: with Kim were the actionable steps. Because I'm the kind 526 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: of person who I'm a person of action. So we 527 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: can only talk up into a certain point before actions 528 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: need to be taken. And I think that's what you 529 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: can take away from this is like, hey, we're not 530 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: just telling you bleak bleak, bleak, bleak bleak. We're like, hey, 531 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: here's also how we can fix this, how we can 532 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: begin to really fix this issue. But you know, it's 533 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: going to take a lot of strength, and I believe 534 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: in us. I do believe that women can really switch 535 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: this up. But it's going to take it's gonna take 536 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot, but I think we can do it if 537 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: we can stick together and continue to fight. Just continue 538 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: to fight, Gina Brionne. This show is the State of 539 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: Women Podcasts. Folks, do check it out. Gina, thank you 540 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: so much for making the time to join Woke F. 541 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: We appreciate you and hope that you will join us again. Absolutely, 542 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. That is it for me today. 543 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Friends on Woke F as always, power to the people 544 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay 545 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.