1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Hi, call Hamil swapping to The Hilly Show. Hey, everybody, 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: welcome to The Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury. 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm Todd's lucky. It's day three of the Winter Meetings 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: in Dallas, Texas. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: We're all here. 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 3: You're probably wondering where. 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: We were yesterday on Monday. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: What happened? 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: What happens? 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: We had a major technical issue, not on our end, 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: not on our and we recorded an entire episode and 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: down the road, when the paint has gone away, we'll 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 1: tell you about. 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: The other episode we recorded. 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah lost, I'm not We don't want to. 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: The wounds are so fresh on that one, Ruben and Jim. 17 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: But uh so we're gonna. 18 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna. We're gonna redo an episode that you that 19 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: we recorded yesterday that you've never heard, that you never heard, 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: and uh because we have to talk about Jordan Romano 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: or Romano is a romano Romano. 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 4: As Rob Dominson corrected us today, not only corrected, but 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: it corrected. 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 3: Me on MLB Network to boot. 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: Oh, he corrected us as well. 26 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: We were on set. You know in Canada we say romano. 27 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: I know, and then I think it was I can't 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: remember who it was. I think it was. Somebody said, uh, Buck, 29 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: I think it was Buck Show. Walter goes uh. You 30 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: know how they're gonna say it in Philly though, Romano, 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: that's great, that's great. 32 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: Well, so they signed Jordan Romano or Romano to a 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: one year, eight and a half million dollar deal with 34 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: some incentives. They say he's going to be a potential closer, 35 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: high leverage guy for sure. He's coming off an injury 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: at Arthur scoptic Surgery in July. He was on a 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: zoom call yesterday the reporters. He says, I'm throwing the 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: mid nineties. I feel great, I'm motivated. I wanted to 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: only sign a one year deal because I wanted to 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: re establish myself on the market, prove I'm one of 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: the best closers in baseball again, and then then hit 42 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: the market next year. What did you guys think of that, 43 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: that move and what it means for the Phillies. 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: I like the move. 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 5: I especially like it on paper because you know, he 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 5: was so good from twenty one to twenty three with 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 5: the with the J's and era and the two ninety 48 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: five saves, a low whip thirty percent strikeout right, really 49 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 5: good stuff. He enjoys the closer role. He was a 50 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 5: two time All Star in that span, so the credentials 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 5: are good. It looks like he's got the makeup. I mean, 52 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 5: he's proven he's got the makeup to be a closer. Obviously, 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 5: the injury, the surgery, uh, you know, that gives you 54 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: a little little pause, maybe a little risk, a little 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 5: fine print. But when you really look at that fine print, 56 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 5: it wasn't the dreaded elbow injury. It was an impingement 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 5: where you know, we spoke to him yesterday, said he 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 5: had some loose body in there or a little bone spur. 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 5: They cleaned it up that was causing the impingement. And 60 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 5: the fact that he's thrown again throwing so well. And 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 5: I love the fact I think it speaks loudly that 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 5: he only wanted a one year deal. It shows that 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 5: he is confident in his health, confident that he can 64 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 5: perform in that role and hit the market again, because 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 5: obviously this is his strategy to hit the market again 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 5: next year for an even bigger payday. But I think 67 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 5: we can all draw, you know, a little bit of 68 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 5: confidence from his confidence. So you know, they lost two 69 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 5: good arms, two good arms have left in Hoffmann Anastevez, 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 5: two leverage arms. It appears at the moment they're gonna 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 5: potentially just replace those guys with one arm, but at 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 5: least to the back end in Romano. But I still 73 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 5: think they'll tweak around the edges in the bullpen and 74 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 5: depending on what they can do in the outfield, I 75 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 5: think they're going to try to allocate some resources in 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 5: the outfield. If maybe they don't use all their resources 77 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 5: out there, maybe they get back in for a more. 78 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: Accomplished reliever. 79 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 5: But I still think there's a chance that you know, haha, 80 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Romano. 81 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: Could be their big acquisition out there. 82 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: I sort of view this as a low risk, high 84 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: reward type of assigning in a lot of ways. I mean, 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 4: it's money, it's real money, but it's not a ton 86 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: of money. I don't think it really puts them out 87 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 4: too much. My feeling is that it was an absolute priority. 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: I mean that bullpen needs to be short up, there's 89 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: no question about it. It did crumble at the end 90 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 4: of the year last year, and you lost you guys 91 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: in the back end, so I like to make up. 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 4: I like the player. I've scaped him. I've seen him 93 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: over the years. He's got guts, he's got balls, he 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 4: can do the things that are necessary to to close 95 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: out games. I'm not sure if he'll be the guy 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 4: I would think he would be right now if he 97 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: is indeed healthy and throwing like he had been. 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: You know in twenty one through twenty three. 99 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 4: Obviously twenty four of the numbers were poor because of 100 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: and it was pretty obviously had an injury issue that 101 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 4: he got cleaned up now. So I like all those 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: elements of it. I do feel like there's other moves 103 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 4: to be made. I think it's sort of a placeholder move. 104 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 4: But that said, I mean Phillies have a ton of 105 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 4: money to work with Sony. Any of the moves that 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 4: they have to make, I think they probably have to 107 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 4: move Castianos, maybe a little money, maybe Boom to be 108 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: able to do other things, to add maybe to the 109 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: bullpen or add you know, starting pitching depth, or you know, 110 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 4: add some other things. Obviously, i'd love to see them 111 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 4: tweak the outfield a little bit. I know they're gonna 112 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: be hoping that, you know, like Brys and Scott improve 113 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: my understanding. I think they talked about it that Scott 114 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 4: was playing with, you know, a real issue in his elbow. 115 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: All year long. 116 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: It affected him and he did not progress. I was 117 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 4: wondering why he was not able to get to the 118 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 4: fastball consistently. That may be one of the reasons why 119 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: the year before he did a really good job of 120 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 4: getting on the high fastball. This year he just could 121 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: not get there, couldn't get extended, couldn't it didn't have 122 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: the quickness to be able to get there. Maybe it 123 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 4: was the elbow. He really needs to step forward. There's 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: other things that need to happen in that lineup for 125 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: this team to be better. 126 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: People need to improve. 127 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: Guys like you know, they could take a page from 128 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 4: Choorbur and say, you know, Shorebert said, listen, I'm gonna 129 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna change some of my ability to 130 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 4: make contact and stuff. And there's a lot of things 131 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 4: that still have to happen internally with the team. And 132 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: it's and it's still a really, really talented team, maybe 133 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: the one of the more talented teams in all baseball. 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 4: But some things have to happen internally for them to 135 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: be successful. And they do have to add I believe 136 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: at least some sort of bat that will give them 137 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: a different dynamic in the in the lineup. 138 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 5: Hey, Rubin Date, you mentioned Statt's elbow, and it was 139 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 5: illuminating because we talked a lot last summer about how 140 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 5: he just wasn't getting to fastballs. You know, showed with 141 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 5: the eyes, but it also showed in some of the 142 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 5: some of the metrics. So to hear that he struggled 143 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 5: with a sore elbow was illuminating. I look at him 144 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 5: and I look at Orian Kirkering as two young players 145 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 5: on the rise who have put some experience under their belt, 146 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 5: who have you know, really good talent and are really 147 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 5: important in their individual roles. Two guys that could improve 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 5: next year or two guys who might be primed for 149 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 5: a step forward. 150 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: And the Phillies could really use it from both of those. 151 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: Guys, especially the way that Dave Dombrowski to talked about 152 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: the bullpen. Yeah the past, the past couple of days, 153 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and yeah, he has said that 154 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: he's comfortable with where they are. I mean, he specifically 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: cited Ryan Kirker and being on the rise. 156 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: Man. 157 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: So if he's if they don't add another legit laid 158 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: in your reliever, because you lose Hoffman and estev Is 159 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: you only bring in Romano. You know, Romano, you really 160 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: need Kirkering to step up big time. You know, I 161 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: meant that is huge, that's huge for this team. 162 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: So and he might be he might be ready to 163 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: that might be part of their calculus. 164 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I talked to talked to Rob Thompson about 165 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: this at the late part of the season, especially when 166 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,119 Speaker 4: they were getting ready to add during the trade trade deadline. 167 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 4: And I asked him, like you, I said, you probably 168 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 4: feel like you need another right handed arm that you 169 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: can really trust back there. He said, yeah, we do. 170 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 4: That was then now they're trusting him. They're trusting him 171 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: at the outset of the season and for him to 172 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 4: be able to pitch in the eighth inning. Now we're 173 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 4: trusting Orian Kirkering along with Alvarado and Strom to pitch 174 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: in the eighth inning. Right Kirkering was pitching in the 175 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 4: sixth and seventh pretty consistently. Now it's time for him 176 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 4: to step up, and you know, you're asking guys to 177 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 4: do it. 178 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: I think he can. 179 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 4: He's got some now, he's got some experience under his belt. 180 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: I think he's got more weapons. He's moving his fastball differently. 181 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: He's throwing a sinker along with his four steamer, and 182 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 4: he's and he's throwing his slider, not every pitch anymore. 183 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: He just has to be able to continue to develop 184 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 4: those things. But you can't necessarily think that he's going 185 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 4: to do it. That's why I like to get greedy. 186 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: That's why I want Tanner Scott because I'd love to 187 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: have that other arm in there to take the heat 188 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 4: off those guys and make it really dominant. I don't 189 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 4: think that they have the money to do it, frankly, 190 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 4: unless they move somebody off. And I also think that 191 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: there may be other priorities they want to try to 192 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 4: hit on before they do that. 193 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: But you're right, Ruben Like and Jim, we've talked about 194 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: this big picture wise. The Romano deal at eight and 195 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: a half million to me says they are super and 196 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: Dave Dombrowski said yesterday it's not an impediment that they 197 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: can go past it, but that three hundred and one 198 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: million dollar luxury tax, that's the fourth tax threshold. Every 199 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: dollar spent over three hundred and one million, they get 200 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: penalized at one hundred and ten percent, and they don't 201 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: want to go over that if they if they can, 202 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: I think they might they maybe they maybe they do, 203 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: maybe there's no way around it. But the Romano deal 204 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: and saying, you know, we're probably not going to get 205 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: another reliever. You know, boy, we really like our lineup. 206 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe that they're done. I think that 207 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: they're going to do something else. But it does tell 208 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: you that the payroll is a significant factor in what 209 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: they're trying to do. And that's why Dave Nebrowski keeps saying, 210 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: you said it again yesterday. We're being very open. We're 211 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: having a lot of conversations about a lot of different 212 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: ways to improve this team right. 213 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: Now, like a lot. 214 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: So I imagine that involves trades, that involves free agents, 215 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: that involves being creative. He says, no, no, nobody. There's 216 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: no discussions about potential position changes. We asked him the 217 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: other day about, you know, would you move Trade Turner 218 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: the outfield? Is like, no, we're not moving Trade turn Up. 219 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Would you move Bryce Harper the outfield? We're not moving 220 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper the outfield. So they're not at that point 221 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: in terms of being creative. But you know, I certainly 222 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: think Alec Bohm could get traded and Jim, you were 223 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: there yesterday when Rob Thompson offered the nugget that he 224 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: made a telephone call to Alec Bohm the other day 225 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: while he was working out and said, Hey, I just 226 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: want to let you know, uh, you know, this means 227 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: you're a good player and we're not actively shopping you. 228 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: We're not trying to get rid of you. But you're 229 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: a good player and people are interested. I do know, 230 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: you know they are. They've let teams know that you 231 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: can have Alec Bohm in the trade. So it's kind 232 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: of how do you want to. 233 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: How you want to view it? How do you want 234 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: to view it? 235 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: You know, they're not saying please take Alec Bouma off 236 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: our hands, but they're saying, yeah, if you want to. 237 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: You know, we're willing to trade Alec Bohm. But he 238 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: made a point to reach out to him the other 239 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: day and just kind of maybe calm his nerves a 240 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: little bit. 241 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, which I think is a good thing because I'm 242 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 5: sure Alec Boum we keep calling him a young player, 243 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 5: but he's in his late twenty getting to be his 244 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 5: late twenties now. 245 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 2: He's been around a while. 246 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 5: But it can be disconcerting for a player to hear 247 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 5: your name swirling and see a lot of trade rumors 248 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 5: and stuff. 249 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: But uh, he didn't come out and say, Alec, we 250 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: ain't trading you. 251 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 5: He's he said, you know the reason is out there 252 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 5: is because you're a good player. 253 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 2: We like you. 254 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: But you know, in the in the in the quest 255 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 5: to move our team forward, you have to listen. 256 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: So it's clear he's out there. 257 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 5: There might be and there's a lot of bodies on 258 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 5: that third base market between Bragman and our Bada who 259 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 5: could move. And maybe when some of those things clear up, 260 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 5: there'll be a little clearer picture on Alec Bohm. But 261 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 5: I think I still think there's a a very solid 262 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 5: chance he's right back there in clear Water and he 263 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 5: I would put him on the list with kirk Ring 264 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 5: and Stott as a as a player still on the rise. Yes, 265 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 5: he has some flaws, but he is still a. 266 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 3: Good player, really good player. 267 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if he can fix a few things, maybe 268 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: even attitudinally, he's going to be an even better player. 269 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 4: So the call that they made to Alec Bahum brings 270 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 4: me back to Bobby A. 271 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: Bray back in the day. 272 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: With when one of the things we ended up doing 273 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 4: is trading Bobby and it sort of opened things up 274 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 4: when Pat Gillik took over. But we did there was 275 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 4: a lot of rumors out there about him being traded. 276 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: We did have discussions with him. 277 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: It wasn't like we were trying to move him or 278 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: get rid of him, but we felt like, you know, 279 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: we were open minded about making that move. And so 280 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 4: we went and visited with Bobby and told him, listen, 281 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: we're not we're not giving you away. We want to 282 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 4: trying to get rid of you, but but we also 283 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 4: are having to field, you know, conversations with things because 284 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 4: we're working on trying to improve the team and uh 285 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: and so I think that those are important discussions to 286 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: have because you want to at the end of the day, 287 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: you still may have the player. I mean, Alec Bone's 288 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 4: Gold have probably the likelihood of him getting traded probably 289 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: like ten percent. 290 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: So you you know, he's good. 291 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: He's got a chance to be the opening day starting 292 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: third basement and hitting in the four hole, and he's 293 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: the all star of the team. So I mean, you're 294 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: you know, you're talking about a very important piece of 295 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: the puzzle, and and everybody talks about Alec Bahum, Alec Bohm. 296 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 4: Let's move Alec Bohlm. Got to get rid of Alc Bahulm. 297 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 4: Guess what, guys, good luck replacing Alec baum right. I 298 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: mean his production. I mean he was the best, most 299 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: outstanding RBI guy in base one of the best in 300 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: baseball in the early part of the season. Now he 301 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 4: faded at the end, There's no question about it, after 302 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: the All Star Game for whatever reason. There could be 303 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: a zillion reasons. One of them he had a hand 304 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: issue at the very end. Another was maybe he put 305 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 4: a little heat on himself after being an All Star, 306 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: trying to get to one hundred RBIs having his own 307 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 4: personal goals, trying to put himself in a position to 308 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 4: really make a lot of money. 309 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: These are human beings. 310 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 4: But this guy's got ability, man, and he's gotten better 311 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 4: at third base. 312 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: I know he had some you know, issues. 313 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: With being able to handle himself as far as his 314 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: own personal you know, emotions on the field. But listen, 315 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: this game's tough. It's emotional, it's negative, it's hard to perform, 316 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: it's hard to hit in the major leagues. It's hard 317 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: to have that expectation. And so at some point, you know, 318 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 4: I think, Jim, You're right, there's more to come on 319 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: this guy. There's more to come on Kirkering, There's more 320 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: to come on Stot and I think in a lot 321 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 4: of ways the Phillies are still banking on some of 322 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: those improvements. 323 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 5: Alec Baum needs to come into camp. If he's a Philly, 324 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 5: this is a test of character and he needs to 325 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 5: come in too. 326 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: He's an emotional guy. 327 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: If he's an emotional guy, he has to use those 328 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 5: emotions to his benefit. He needs to come into camp 329 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 5: after this experience of this winter with a chip on 330 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 5: his shoulder and show the world that I'm a great 331 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 5: player and that they made a mistake by even thinking 332 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 5: of trading me. That's the attitude he needs to come in. 333 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 5: He can't come in pouting, you can't come in with 334 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 5: a negative frame of mind. But there has to be 335 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 5: this silent chip on his shoulder that I Am going 336 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 5: to show the world that the Phillies would have made 337 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 5: a huge mistake if they traded me. I'm going to 338 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 5: have two great years and go off to free agency. 339 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 5: That's the attitude he needs to have. 340 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: Boom, guys, holidays are here fast approaching. You gotta get 341 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: your gear. You got to go to Shy Vintage Sports. 342 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Ruben is Sporting Ace. That's a I love that T shirt, 343 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: Rubin that spectr that's very cool. 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You just 350 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: show up bust through say it Philly Show fifteen. 351 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: What do you got, syd pot That would be the 352 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: next promo code. 353 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: But go to shibe is great man out justin Romano. 354 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: Romano. 355 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 5: He is from Canada. Yesterday they signed him on the 356 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 5: first day of the Winter Meetings. But you and I 357 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 5: had an encounter that kind of hinted at maybe a 358 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 5: Canadian pitcher would be on the Phillies radar screen. 359 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 3: What happened? 360 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 5: Heay first day of the Winter Meetings. It's still probably 361 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 5: one of the highlights of my Winter meetings. 362 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 2: You want to tell that story? 363 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we ran into Fergie Jenkins. Uh Hall of Famer. 364 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: Fergie Jenkins, one of the Phillies' greatest regrets in their 365 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five year history or over what 366 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: it was. I looked at that trade Jim yesterday, and 367 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: he's Canadian's Canadian, He's Canadian. He's Canadian. So we're talking 368 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: to this nice Canadian, you know, Fergie Jenkins, and Jim goes, uh, yeah, man, 369 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: you were one. 370 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: Of the Phillies' biggest mistakes. 371 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: And he just kind of laughs and he figured, well, 372 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, I was just a young kid back then, 373 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: because they traded him in nineteen sixty six. He only 374 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: made a few appearances for the Phillies in sixty five. 375 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: I think he made one appearance in sixty six, and 376 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: they just. 377 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 3: Traded him like the first month of the season. 378 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: God, and that didn't work out so well for the Philms. 379 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: And then Jim. Then Jim go, I gotta ask you 380 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: a question. He's probably thinking like, oh, this guy wants 381 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: to ask him, you know, great baseball questions, and goes, 382 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: do you drinkle bats? 383 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: The bat's blue? 384 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: It's like, I am Canadian? 385 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: Is that what he said? Jim? Yeah, something like that. 386 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: I was just choking with That's what he laughed. 387 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: He got the joke. 388 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he got the joke. But I did remind him 389 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: he was a big Phillies mistake. 390 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, he did. 391 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: So. 392 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 4: Ferguson Jenkins is pretty a one quick story about him. 393 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 4: I think he comes back to pitch with the Cubs, 394 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 4: like I think it was late in his career. He went. Yeah, 395 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 4: he came back in eighty two and eighty three, and 396 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: he pitched a lot of games, like one of the 397 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 4: seasons I was actually batboying and I did not know this, 398 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: but apparently when he pitches during the course of the season, 399 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: the man does not uh for whatever reason, He's got 400 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 4: this thing where he does not wash his under shirt. 401 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 3: That he pitches it. Oh my gosh. 402 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 4: So if he pitches like a good game, he'll keep 403 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: he'll hang it up afterwards, sweaty, nasty, and he'll wear it. 404 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: He'll keep wearing it because I think there was like 405 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 4: a it's like a you know, lots of baseball players 406 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 4: have some serious superstitions, right, nasty ass smelling undershirt underneath 407 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 4: his uni like nobody wanted to sit next to him. 408 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: In the dugout. 409 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: Maybe he came back and pitch like he came back 410 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: in pitch like sixty seven games or something for the 411 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 4: Cubs late in his career. 412 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: Think about that. 413 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 5: Here he had a long If we see him in 414 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: the lobby today, we got to ask him, I he's 415 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 5: got to clean on his shirt. 416 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: Off's go up and go. 417 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 3: If you're wearing he smells fine, I said, went past him. 418 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 3: He smelled just fine. 419 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 420 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: You know he's in his eighties. 421 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 3: He's representing it. 422 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 4: He's representing the He was representing the Cubs during the 423 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 4: draft right. 424 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: That the draft lottery. I think, yeah, I mean he 425 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: was on the dais he is. 426 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: In great I hope I look and moving around that 427 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: well when I'm when I'm in my eighties. Yeah, you know, 428 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: just absolutely unbelievable. So, uh, you know, Philly's looking for 429 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: outfield help. They they they might or might not get 430 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: another reliever. You know, Dave Dombrowski said that, you know, 431 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: we would like to have a number five starter come 432 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: in at some point, but you know you're not signing 433 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: a number five starter right now. You know, right now 434 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: they're they're looking at the internal options Taiwan Walker, et cetera, 435 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: et cetera. So they've got some work to do, but 436 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: they got one thing done today is the Rule five draft, 437 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Which is that exciting anybody they could lose a couple. 438 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 3: It's almost exciting. 439 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 4: It's exciting to the people who are real baseball people 440 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 4: feel like they can get a player or nothing. 441 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 3: Basically, right, was it one hundred thousand dollars now? 442 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave Well, Dave Dave pointed out Dave Debrowski pointed out, 443 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: Yesterday's like, yeah, we might take somebody, but he's like, 444 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: we're also picking like twenty ninth, so the chances of 445 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: us finding somebody quality at that spot and then keeping 446 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: him on the the roster all year might not be 447 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: that great. But they could lose a couple of guys. 448 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 5: So big question if they're going to lose Griff McGarry, 449 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: I mean, firearmed right hander who was exciting and kind 450 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 5: of was untouchable back in twenty twenty two at the 451 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 5: trade deadline just because of that great arm, but just 452 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 5: has had huge issues throwing strikes. It'll be interesting to 453 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 5: see if somebody takes him and can get something out 454 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 5: of them. Kind of a referendum on Phillies pitching player development. 455 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 5: But we'll say he's got a hell of an arm, 456 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 5: but the Phillies left him unprotected. I'm really curious to 457 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 5: see what happens with him. 458 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: I think it's more mental than anything else for him. 459 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: I don't know, there's any question, and it was an 460 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: issue in in call with him in college. I think 461 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 4: it's as continued. It's been a struggle for him. But 462 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 4: there may be somebody who can feel like they can 463 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: get to him, maybe a different change of scenery, whatever 464 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: the case may be. I remember this one of the 465 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 4: biggest days for Pat Gellick myself. 466 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: I mean, trying to pick up a player. 467 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 4: Maybe if you really like somebody, trying to trade up, 468 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 4: pay for it, that sort of thing. Ask a team 469 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 4: to pick a guy and trade for him or trade 470 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 4: that pick. There's a there's a whole host of things 471 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 4: that can happen. Not as exciting for a team like 472 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 4: Philadelphia who's trying to contend, But yeah, you never know. 473 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 4: You can even grab some talent over the years. It's 474 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 4: kind of you know, you just never know. 475 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: You just never know, guys, you never know, you never know. 476 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: There was a year with Chris Gomez. 477 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: I think Baltimore had to deal with him and you 478 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 5: guys picked him, or you had to deal with him. 479 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: Baltimore picked him. 480 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: So Chris Gomez had signed, just signed, just before the 481 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: we really needed an infielder, so you guys took George 482 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 4: and we were we were gonna we were We told 483 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 4: him we were going to take him, and we ended 484 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: up I think we ended up did. They were so 485 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: mad at us, like, dude, that's your fault. You signed him, 486 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 4: you didn't put him on the roster. He made him available, 487 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 4: and you know, I remember it was a Jim Batty 488 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 4: was the was the GM there, and like he was 489 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: pissed off at ed Wave, Like. 490 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 3: Why would you be pissed off? That's that's your fault. 491 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 4: And then there was one time that we actually put 492 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: remember we almost rule fived our own player, a catcher 493 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: who ended up going to the Boston Red Sox. He 494 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 4: was a Venezuelan catcher and we really needed a backup 495 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 4: catcher at that time. This is like one of my 496 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 4: first year's ninety eight or ninety nine, and we were 497 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 4: going to pick our own catcher because we had signed him. 498 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: We had done a good job of signing him as 499 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: a six year free agent. We should have waited until 500 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 4: after the Rule five draft. We found out that someone 501 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 4: was going to take him. I think Boston ended up 502 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 4: taking him and he played for Boston that whole year, 503 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 4: and you know, we ended up having to sign like 504 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 4: a backup catcher. I think we ended up having a 505 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: sign like Tom Prince or somebody like that, because we 506 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 4: I'll go back, I can take a look at it 507 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: and in ninety eight we'll have to look at the 508 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: rosters for the Boston Red Sox and see what catcher 509 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 4: that was. 510 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: But it was like a backup catcher. Pretty good, but 511 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 3: we were going to take them ourselves and then somebody else. 512 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 3: I think I ended up them. 513 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: There is some fun behind the scenes stuff if you 514 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: really get into, like how about Phillies drafting Noah's song 515 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: in the Rule five a couple of years ago. 516 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 3: Guy was in the. 517 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: Navy, hadn't pitched in a couple of years, but Dave 518 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: Dombrowski loved them. At the time, he was the top 519 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: of the rotation type of picture before you went back 520 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: into the Navy. And uh, surprise the hell out of 521 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: the Red Sox when when Dave Dombrowski took Noah song 522 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: didn't work out, but it was kind of a cool 523 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: story when he got to camp. 524 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 5: And I don't know if the top of the rotation 525 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 5: pitch yet well, potential arm right right right back at 526 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 5: a lot of development that needed to take place. 527 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, so the rule five today, Phillies made a move. 528 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: Maybe they'll make they'll they'll make something else that's at 529 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: some point down the road. I imagine maybe before we Jim. 530 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: Maybe when we're on a plane tonight, we'll land in 531 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: Philly and we'll see if they've made it. 532 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 5: Just like like like the year we were all racing 533 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 5: to the airport in Nashville and Reuben traded for Ben Revere. Yes, right, 534 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 5: I had to write that story from the gate in Nashville, 535 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: that's right. 536 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 4: And that was a difficult one because we you know, 537 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 4: we had some issue. The only issue really was we 538 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: were taking a look at his knee. There was a 539 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 4: real issue with his knees, and you know, speed was 540 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 4: his game. So we were like, Christ, we made this. 541 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 4: We made this deal, or you know, a potential deal, 542 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 4: but we're we're waiting on medical. It was really a 543 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 4: medical issue, and hey, is this guy gonna be okay? 544 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 4: He's been taking these these sind disc you know, injections 545 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 4: and stuff. Is this guy gonna be okay for the 546 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: next few years? He's under control, but he's the speed guy. 547 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 4: We really needed a center fielder because I wasn't going 548 00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 4: to re sign Victor Reno at three times eleven million 549 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: dollars or where the hell it was. And I had 550 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: told the aces is that their agents like, he's going 551 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: to become I love Victory, know, but he's going to 552 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 4: become a right fielder and a right handed hitter because 553 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 4: he's not going to hit leut haendant anymore. And they're like, bs, 554 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 4: that's not going to happen. And that's exactly what happened. 555 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 4: He became a right fielder and he became a right 556 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 4: handed hitter. 557 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 3: That's right. You get it up listening. 558 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 4: And he helped them win. He helped them win. It 559 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 4: was the right fit for them. But and and God 560 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 4: bless him, you know, I love it, but. 561 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 3: It's exactly right. 562 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: Thirteen million a year, and he was asking for like 563 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 4: a twelve or something like that from us. I'm like, 564 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 4: we don't have that kind of glue for you right now, 565 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 4: my friend, Phillies. 566 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: Don't have a lot of glue right now, it seems either. 567 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: I mean, they've been spending a lot of glue, but 568 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: they're limited, so we'll see what else they do down 569 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: the road. I also want to mention, you can get 570 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: Philly Show t shirts by forty seven. Go to the 571 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: Phillyshow dot com pick up pick up a Philly Show 572 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: t if you love the show and look very very 573 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: nice for the holiday. 574 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 3: See nice, nice, very nice. 575 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: Well, guys, maybe we'll be back this week later this 576 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: week if the Phillies make a move. Hey, don't forget 577 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: to check out the Mike Schmidt documentary on Thursday night, 578 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern on MLB Network. We caught a sneak 579 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: peek and it is tremendous. It really is a good 580 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a great documentary they did. They did a 581 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: really really nice job with it. 582 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 3: I thought, So that's great. 583 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: And keep your eye on Yeah. All right, guys, we'll 584 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: talk to you later. 585 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: Smary later, boys, spell Jim. 586 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 6: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 587 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 6: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 588 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 6: wherever you get your podcasts. If you like us, give 589 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 6: us a review, follow us on Instagram, TikTok x, Facebook, 590 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 6: and threads. 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