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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hi kids,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette

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Speaker 1: and I'm an editor at how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as always a senior writer, Jonathan Strickland,

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Speaker 1: Oh better far to live and die under the brave

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Speaker 1: black flag. I fly then play a sanctimonious part with

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Speaker 1: a pirate head and a pirate heart. Nicely done, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So today we are going to talk about something that

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Speaker 1: has made the news recently as of the recording of

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Speaker 1: But the uh, the Stop Online Piracy Act or SOAPA. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we had a few, quite a few people asking us

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Speaker 1: sometimes when Jonathan talks about these topics, he gets a

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Speaker 1: as much as I like pushing him, to the limit.

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Speaker 1: In that regard, I don't want to see what happens

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Speaker 1: if it actually finally does. Yeah. And I've also given

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Speaker 1: soapa Stop Online Piracy Act. It's made a lot of

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Speaker 1: news because, um, well because there are some potential consequences

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Speaker 1: worried this act may go a long way to breaking

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Speaker 1: the Internet. That's kind of like the extreme view, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about what this act is,

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Speaker 1: news for even for people who have no intention to

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Speaker 1: pirate content or to distribute pirated content. Uh and uh

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Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's its purpose essentially is to cut

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Speaker 1: and it's specifically targeting piracy that's generated from from entities

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Speaker 1: introduced by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, who is

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Speaker 1: This is not I was. I was making a joke.

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Speaker 1: So the purpose of it is to promote prosperity, creativity, entrepreneurship,

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Speaker 1: least to focus on sites that are known entities for violations.

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00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: Whether or not that's how it gets applied is a

432
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: totally different matter. And of course, through the process of

433
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: debating this legislation there may be more UM amendments added

434
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: to it that change it dramatically. UH. Moving on though,

435
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: besides I S P. S. The Act also gives copyright

436
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: owners the the recourse to go after search engines and

437
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: financial institutions and advertising agencies UH search engines. The deal

438
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: is that if you're the copyright holder, you can contact

439
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: Google and Bing and Yahoo and all these other search

440
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: engines and say, I want you to take down links

441
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: to this site because it violates my UM copyright, my copyrights,

442
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: so I want you to go in and remove any

443
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: links you have to this. Whenever anyone searching for whatever

444
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: the topic might be, this site cannot appear in search engines. However,

445
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: with the blacklist, from what I understand, there are ways

446
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: around it. UM. Jonathan and I talked a long time

447
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: ago about domain names and how they work and I

448
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: P addresses. So the thing is you can UH, let's

449
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: say YouTube dot com is blocked because of copyright violations,

450
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: but if you know the IP address UM, the series

451
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: of of numbers separated by dots that actually tell you

452
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: where the site is, you should be able to type

453
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: in that i P address and still get through, according

454
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: to UH. To one source, I I checked partially because

455
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: they were talking about another security measure that people have

456
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: been working on called d n S sec UM, which

457
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: is UH. The d n s are the domain name

458
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: servers and UH these basically are the system of addressing

459
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: UH sites that go on on the Internet, so that

460
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: the the addresses have a general location you can find them.

461
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: UM and UH the idea of being that there is

462
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: as an authoritative UH security baked into the d n

463
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: s with a public key. So if somebody tried and this, this, UH,

464
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: from what I understand, would cut down on things like fishing,

465
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: because you could UM use the secure site to know

466
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: for in fact, you are at the site that you

467
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: are trying to get to and not some ingeniously designed

468
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: copy of that. And d N s SEC would be

469
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: UH somewhat hamstrung by SOPA if it were to go

470
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: through and UH and d N s SEX is actually

471
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: something that people have been working on for quite some

472
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: time and would be a more effective security solution. UM.

473
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: But you know, the people who have been working on

474
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: SOPA are are trying to get this done more quickly,

475
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably part of the reason that,

476
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: um there are so many holes in it. Yeah. And

477
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: as for the financial institutions and advertising as you probably

478
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: have guests based upon the I s p S and

479
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: search engines same sort of thing. Copyright holder can go

480
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: to a things organizations like PayPal or the credit card

481
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: companies and say this site, this foreign sight is violating

482
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: our intellectual property rights, so you need to cut off

483
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: any payments from the United States to those sites. And

484
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: again those organizations will have five days to respond before

485
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: the courts get involved. UH. And same thing with the

486
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: web advertising, where you'd say, you know you're you're serving

487
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: up ads on this site, which is giving the site

488
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: its owner income. Uh, cut it out and again five

489
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: days to respond reasonably anyway and then um and then

490
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: cut off again. So it's a very very short time

491
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: to deal with from giving with getting the getting the information,

492
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: getting the order, and then having to turn around and

493
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: and figure out your response. I mean, especially if you

494
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: want to truly have due diligence and make sure that

495
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: the site that's being targeted does indeed UM violate intellectual

496
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: property rights and that that is the intent of the site.

497
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: Because one of the concerns that I've seen repeatedly around

498
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: the Internet is that that I s p s might

499
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: even take this as an opportunity to shut down sites

500
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: that have competing UH content on them from because this

501
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: is the complication we have where certain in an Internet

502
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: service providers are also content providers. Now when you when

503
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: you have both in one entity, there's a conflict of

504
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: interest there, and I don't think you can get around that.

505
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you're the person who owns all the pipes

506
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: and you're the person who owns some of the stuff

507
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: that goes in the pipes. That's complicated because it means

508
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: your content is competing with other companies content. Some people

509
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: are worried that I s p S might be able

510
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: to use this to cut off access to competitor content

511
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: so that they lock in users to one specific umbrella

512
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: of content, and they do so with immunity because it's

513
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: built into the act. As long as they can somehow

514
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: show that this stems from an order they received from

515
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: an intellectual property rights holder, they're they're in the clear.

516
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: So that's scary because it means that if you have

517
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: I s P A and the content you really want

518
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: to access was not made by I s P A,

519
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: but was made by I s P B, you might

520
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: not have access to that content because of this. This

521
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: this legal safety net that the that SOPA provides. Now

522
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: that's again not the purpose of the legislation, and it

523
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: may come to pass. If this legislation and is actually

524
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: approved and passes and turns into law, it may turn

525
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: out that no one ever abuses in such a way,

526
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: but there are people who are worried, very much worried

527
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: about the potential for it to be abused like that. Now, this,

528
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: this legislation was um announced on October I believe of

529
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, shortly before well three or four weeks

530
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: before we recorded this. UM, and UH at first, people

531
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: weren't really picking up on it, um until uh some

532
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: outlets started uh publicizing drawing attention to this legislation. Now, um,

533
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: just recently again right before we recorded this, Uh, many

534
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: American sites had what they were calling American Censorship Day,

535
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: So you would you would show up on the website

536
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: and there would be a message about how the site

537
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: was blocked, um and then essentially a dialogue on hey,

538
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: this is what could happen if this, uh this goes through.

539
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: And some companies had put a censored bar over their logo.

540
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, UM, I was reading on on the next

541
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: Web that, um, one of the sites affected by this

542
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: was the blogging site Tumbler. Yes, that's actually a major

543
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: site that is that people are very concerned would be

544
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: affected by things like protect IP and SOPA. Yeah, well,

545
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: anything anything like UM, a blogging site, UH, photo sharing

546
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: sites like like Flicker, UM, video sharing sites Vimeo or YouTube,

547
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: or anything at the even which is a place where

548
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: people make crafts, but a lot of times people will

549
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: knit things or make things that include logos or designs

550
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: and things like that. UM. Anything like this where there

551
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: are thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of people submitting

552
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: content that could infringe a copyright is is you know

553
00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: a likely target? Facebook, any any kind of social sites. UM.

554
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: So Tumbler was one of them, and they actually asked

555
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: people who are visiting their site to call their United

556
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: States representatives to let them know what they thought about SOPA.

557
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: And according to the next Web, UM, seven thousand, eight

558
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: thirty four calls were generated as the results of that effort.

559
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So that's a particularly large number of people

560
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: that they were able to drive to the representatives. And

561
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: I think UM generally, what I heard was that people

562
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: were really concerned because SOPA seemed to have an overwhelming

563
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: level of support UM in the House of Representatives. But

564
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: at this point, I think they have gotten a lot

565
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: of feedback and are starting to have second thoughts about it.

566
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: So it seemed like a go at the very first

567
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: when I first heard about it, and now it seems

568
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: like the enthusiasm is maybe not uh, it's not over

569
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: with completely, but it is it's flagging somewhat due to

570
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: the response from uh, you know now that people are

571
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: aware of it, um and calling their representatives to let

572
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: them know. Sure. And and part of this was due

573
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: to the fact that, I mean, you can't get around it,

574
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: due to the fact you've got to follow the money, right.

575
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: So it turns out that these organizations like the m

576
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: p A and the r I double A and other

577
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: similar organizations of the the pharmaceutical industries another one because they're

578
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: very much concerned with counterfeit drugs, which you know, again

579
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: legitimate concern, but they pour a lot of money into

580
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: political campaigns um. And so there is also this perception

581
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: of perhaps politicians are acting on behalf of the interests

582
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: of these parties, partly because it gets so much campaign

583
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: money from these sources. So you get you know, people

584
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: some people just come out right out and say, you know,

585
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: they'll accuse the government of cow towing to these these

586
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: organizations because they're getting paid essentially that the politicians are

587
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: for sale. Other people don't take quite such an extreme

588
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: stand and say this is problematic. If you are getting

589
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: massive campaign contributions from these sources and your legislation is

590
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: acting on behalf of these sources. At the very least,

591
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: there is the appearance that you are doing this in

592
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: return for money, even if that's not what you are doing.

593
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: You have to keep that in mind, that it looks

594
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: like that, and you have to behave accordingly. And of

595
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: course there are other people just say no, no, no no, no,

596
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with it. Total separation. I think.

597
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: I think both extremes are kind of a little they

598
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: have blinders on. But I think I do think that

599
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: there's definitely a problematic issue here. And so you've got

600
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: other companies like the like Google and Yahoo and Microsoft

601
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: that also contribute money to campaign funds, but that money

602
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: is a fraction of what the entertainment industry pours into

603
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: campaign funds. So it may have been that the early

604
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: days of SOPA, the movement on it was very rapid

605
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: and very enthusiastic because it was in response to campaign

606
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: contributors who have a lot of sway, and then other

607
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: campaign contributors that have a good deal of sway but

608
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: not as much, but also have a massive public following

609
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: started to protest, and that is what has caused everyone

610
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: to slow down and say, we do need to think

611
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: about this a little more and make sure that if

612
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: we pass this legislation it really does target what we

613
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: want to target. And again, I mean, I'm known as

614
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: the person who comes out and just starts screaming about

615
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: free speech and I go bonkers, But I understand completely

616
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: the intent of this legislation and I don't even disagree

617
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: with it, because it does piracy is a problem. It

618
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: needs to have some sort of solution. I just think

619
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: this is the wrong way to do it. Yeah, you're

620
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: to clarify, you're not disagreeing that people's intellectual property needs

621
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: some protection. It's that you're disagreeing with this particular legislation

622
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Yeah, I think I think the people who

623
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: own an intellectual property have a reasonable right, uh to

624
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: expect to be able to profit from that that they

625
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't feel like, oh well, you know, it's just the

626
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: nature of intellectual property. People are gonna steal it. Oh well,

627
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's not fair either, because if you take

628
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: that perspective, then you suddenly remove a huge incentive to

629
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: generate intellectual property. So so that can hurt innovation too.

630
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: If if you tell someone who is an innovative person, hey,

631
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: that's a great idea, You're never gonna see a dime

632
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: for it, because we're all gonna steal it, but thank

633
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: you for thinking it up. That then people are gonna like, well,

634
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stop thinking and start watching reality television.

635
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: But but if you know, at the same time, if

636
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: you turn around and use the draconian measures to shut

637
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: down pirates that end up affecting other people in unintended ways,

638
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: you also shut down innovation because then everyone's scared to

639
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah, that that is the The original intended

640
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: purpose of copyright was to protect the creator for a

641
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: certain period, so that twenty eight years originally less than that.

642
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Oh the first copyright, yes, I I always was it fourteen.

643
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: I thought that when it could be and it could

644
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: be extended once. Oh, that's right, that's right up to yes.

645
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: And the thing is that the thing is it's intended

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