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Speaker 1: Failed Round the League Podcast iTunes. Chugger, Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition to the Around the League Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansis. I'm joined by a roomful of heroes,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Mark Zessler, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys,

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Speaker 1: Nice to have you back. Yeah, I felt like the

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Speaker 1: energy level there was down a little because you're a

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Speaker 1: little tired from your Las Vegas weekend. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about anything about Las Vegas. It was Nevada. I can't

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Speaker 1: go into further detail where I attempted to keep that

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Speaker 1: storyline that you were on a business trip in Nevada.

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Speaker 1: It was a business trip. Business was taken care of.

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Speaker 1: I'm back now, and a nice job. I listened to

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Speaker 1: the podcast because I'd like to stay up to date

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Speaker 1: even if I'm not around. Nice job by Handsome Hank

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Speaker 1: also known as the Notorious d Op. Greg, you did

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Speaker 1: a great job, as as the host plowed past the

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Speaker 1: forty minute mark, which is a little Peter Jackson moved

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Speaker 1: by you. You gotta keep this thing moving, uh and

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Speaker 1: then Chris the saying Greg was your favorite because he

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Speaker 1: picked the Eagles to win the division. Words hurt. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know you're back now, so well to say about

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. He still picked the Eagles the last place,

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Speaker 1: like everyone else. Actually is the last place. I noticed,

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Speaker 1: Stephen in the article you you point out everyone's picked

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia and last. I have them, including Handsome hang three

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Speaker 1: or four had them in last. But yeah, you you're right,

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Speaker 1: I missed your eight and eight. Either way, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to remind you from this prediction all all year, and

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Speaker 1: bad job by who picked the Cowboys again, everyone I've

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Speaker 1: gotten sucked into the Cowboys vortex five straight years. If

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Speaker 1: this is the year that they actually do win the division,

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Speaker 1: I am going to personally travel down to Dallas and

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Speaker 1: take care of some business. Three out of five of us,

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Speaker 1: including Handsome Hank, picked the Cowboys to win the division.

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Speaker 1: To me, that was very surprising. And yet all I

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Speaker 1: got all weekend was all of you out there that

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Speaker 1: listened to the show, and we're upset that I picked

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys in last place. Cowboys. They were so angry

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Speaker 1: that it couldn't believe the people calling for me to

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Speaker 1: be fired that I clearly don't know anything about football

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Speaker 1: because one of the four of us had the gall

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Speaker 1: to put the Cowboys at Cowboys World, We're alright, so

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Speaker 1: we are now we're through preseason week three. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: is a big week for roster cutdowns. We will start

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Speaker 1: with the news and Greg Rosenthal you lead the way.

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Speaker 1: It's a little quarterback driven up top of the news. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think let's talk about all three quarterback situations that

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Speaker 1: changed in some way over the weekend, starting with the

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Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders, Terrell Prior and Matt Flynn. This to me

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Speaker 1: was the biggest story of the weekend because it was

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Speaker 1: so surprising. Westling and I know you know you were

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Speaker 1: watching that Raiders game closely. It's what was your your

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Speaker 1: takeaways there? Matt Flynn never had a chance behind that

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Speaker 1: offensive line, and I guess you know, the whole stadium

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Speaker 1: was deflated. They were booing, they were cheering, they had

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Speaker 1: the prior chance going. Matt Flynn looked awful and in

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Speaker 1: the whole the whole time, you're just watching it thinking,

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Speaker 1: why have a game manager for a roster that has

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to go forward with a

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Speaker 1: talent challenge Matt Flynn. So to me, like Prior, was

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Speaker 1: the obvious answer, see what you have in him before

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Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback next year. And there were a

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Speaker 1: couple of plays where defensive ends came in completely untouched

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Speaker 1: Flynn is, like you said, just a dead man walking back.

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Speaker 1: There a few things on this first, just to make

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Speaker 1: it clear, Terrell Pryor is going to start the fourth

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Speaker 1: preseason game. He's taking all the first team reps this week.

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Speaker 1: We don't know for sure that he's gonna start Week one,

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Speaker 1: but that is the total expectation. Now would be a surprise.

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Speaker 1: I'm just taken by the fact that they signed Matt

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just, no matter how you slice it,

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Speaker 1: don't expect to see him. I've talked about sample size

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Speaker 1: a lot in the preseason. So many judgments are made

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Speaker 1: made two incredible scrambles. And that's it. It's like those

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Speaker 1: this has the potential to be outright dumpster fire softball

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Speaker 1: pants are safe? Greg? What else is in the news. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: speaking of which, the Buffalo Bills had about as bad

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Speaker 1: There are reports that his injury could be career ending.

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Speaker 1: The Bills say they're not thinking about that, but it's

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Speaker 1: almost as big a loss. It's bigger, I would say

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Speaker 1: don't mind being you know, nobody wants. If you're Columbus

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Speaker 1: You want to be the first one there. This Chets

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Speaker 1: quarterback situation has been discussed all off season over and over.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's no longer virgin territory. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: how about Mark Sanchez getting he gets rushed into that

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Speaker 1: it's been a really bad week weekend for the deeply

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Speaker 1: fans of this pleasure to talk to. And we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about the Bears for two or three years and

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Speaker 1: he new two or three years ago. Okay, in the

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Speaker 1: draft they have to fix the offensive line and they

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Speaker 1: have an aging defense. So we've been talking about this

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Speaker 1: every year, and their drafts haven't come through. Emory might

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Speaker 1: have fixed it in one draft. They've got the whole

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Speaker 1: right side of their line now as rookies with Kyle

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Speaker 1: Long and Jordan Mills, and they look really good. Forte's

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Speaker 1: average in ten yards to carry, Cutler's had time to throw.

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Speaker 1: The offense is moving the ball, and then, as Greg mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Bostick is an upgrade on her Lacker at middle linebacker. Already,

439
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Speaker 1: you hope to have three starters come through any draft.

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Speaker 1: They might have three Week one starters coming through this draft.

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Speaker 1: I also think on offense real quick, all Sean Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: looks like a different player to me in what we've

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Speaker 1: seen so far, and that the Bears always to me,

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Speaker 1: I can never take him seriously. They'd go thirteen and

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Speaker 1: three with a great defense, but you knew they were

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Speaker 1: gonna get bounced in the divisionals because They had these

447
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Speaker 1: pip squeak nonentity wide outs for like a decade and

448
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Speaker 1: an offensive line, and you're right, in one season they

449
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Speaker 1: suddenly have Brandon Marshall, All, Sean Jeffrey Martella spent it

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Speaker 1: not bad at tight end, and an offensive line. And

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Speaker 1: also Forte looks to me revived and stronger than he

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Speaker 1: did a year. Again, I agree, well, he was. He

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Speaker 1: had some ankle entries last year, so maybe that's part

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Speaker 1: of it. But he looks. Maybe it's how high he's

455
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Speaker 1: wearing his socks. He looks. Love Smith never had a

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Speaker 1: top twenty offense in his entire running and that was

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Speaker 1: not a coincidence. That's going to change, which is hard

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Speaker 1: to do. All they gotta do is be average, and

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Speaker 1: I think this defense could carry them. Uh Stephen Paea,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you say? Is that how

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Speaker 1: you say his name? He looks great, Henry Melton, Julius Peppers.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have depth. They're on the defensive line,

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Speaker 1: which is hard to find. They have a lot of

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Speaker 1: pass rushers up front, and Lance Briggs is still great.

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Speaker 1: I saw them blitzing off the corner and doing big things.

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Speaker 1: Melt Tucker was a pretty good coordinator people forgetting Jacksonville

467
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Speaker 1: a few years ago, and he has a lot of

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Speaker 1: talent to work with here. Okay, Wes, why don't we

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Speaker 1: talk a little Packers? Well, I believe three of the

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Speaker 1: four of us. I haven't heard dance opinion much on this.

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Speaker 1: Believe the Packers offense is going to be transformed a

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Speaker 1: bit with Eddie Lacy as a running back threat. My

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Speaker 1: question is on the other side of the ball, is

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Speaker 1: this a championship caliber defense? I think so. I think

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Speaker 1: it's the same relative group of talent, as talented as

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Speaker 1: they were when they won the championship before. I think

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Speaker 1: in the secondary you have Casey Hayward, Morgan Burnett, a

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Speaker 1: lot of good talent there. It's a very deep secondary.

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Speaker 1: I think they're counting on young players to make an

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Speaker 1: impact upfront, but over top to bottom b J Rodgie Dayton, Jones,

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Speaker 1: a J Hawk. I mean, I think it's a talented

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Speaker 1: enough group to win. That's my answer. I think they're

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Speaker 1: definitely not who they were two years ago when they

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Speaker 1: were an epic train wreck. We saw them even get

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Speaker 1: better last season. Off of that, I haven't watched enough

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Speaker 1: of the Packers defense lately to really chime in beyond

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Speaker 1: what Greg said, But I'm not sure they need to

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Speaker 1: be a great defense to get double digit wins. Even

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Speaker 1: even when they won the Super Bowl, they had what

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Speaker 1: sixteen guys on I R. It's like, that's a team

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Speaker 1: that has a good mix of young and veteran players

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Speaker 1: that can get through any sort of hiccup. Um, But

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Speaker 1: I don't think they need I don't. I wouldn't put

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Speaker 1: them up there with the Bears, to be honest, I

495
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Speaker 1: say Chicago was a better defense. Is Clay Matthews. Is

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Speaker 1: he officially in the Good Year Bad Year Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame with alternating years, and I don't think this year.

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Speaker 1: I think he's healthy, He's going to be lights out.

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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the top two or three

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Speaker 1: defensive players in the in the NFL, and he he

501
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Speaker 1: is such a difference maker. We didn't even mention him

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Speaker 1: when talking about the I mean, he alone makes their

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Speaker 1: defense so much better. I would say the one thing

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Speaker 1: I've noticed from the start of the preseason until now

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Speaker 1: is they are a lot deeper on defense than I thought.

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Speaker 1: Secondary is pretty deep. I heard Mike McCarthy say his

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Speaker 1: defensive line is deeper than any He's had in his

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Speaker 1: whole tenure. There, they got Dayton Jones and Johnny Jolly's back, uh,

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Speaker 1: Mike Daniels. They look pretty pretty stout up from they

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Speaker 1: get their first round pick from a year ago. They really,

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Speaker 1: they really need that second pass rusher to emerge, and

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Speaker 1: don't they only really need to be the middle of

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Speaker 1: the road defense defense. You can get enough stops some

514
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Speaker 1: of the time, it's all about stealing the ball these days.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you hold people. You just have

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Speaker 1: to produce the turnover. I will be interested to see

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Speaker 1: right out of the gate because they you know, they

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Speaker 1: sent Dom Capers and his crew to go learn how

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Speaker 1: to stop the read option actually by spending time with

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Speaker 1: offensive coaches on how the read option actually runs. And

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Speaker 1: right out of the gate they have the Niners and

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Speaker 1: the Redskins. We don't even know what the Niners and

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Speaker 1: Redskins will do on offense, but it will be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see what the Packers are coming into week three.

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Speaker 1: I was a little surprised at Capers even kept his

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Speaker 1: job after a second straight player. I think many people

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Speaker 1: were so. I think he is definitely on the hot seat.

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Speaker 1: They have to get better. He's gone. Sessler Minnesota, Vikings.

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Speaker 1: One big question, alright, Vikings, I put week six as

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Speaker 1: the over under when Christian Ponder is replaced at quarterback

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Speaker 1: by Matt Castle, for better or worse. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it's an upgrade. I just think the decision will be

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Speaker 1: made at week six. I want an over under or

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Speaker 1: won't even happen. All this over under talk reminds me

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Speaker 1: of my business trip. Who is up? I will? I

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Speaker 1: will take the over. I know Greg is probably the

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Speaker 1: biggest Christian Ponder detractor in the national media right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even me and and I am the biggest

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Speaker 1: Matt Castle detractor. Ever since he left the Patriots, I've

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Speaker 1: never believed he Matt Castle. Yeah, did you see him

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Speaker 1: in base? Yeah? You know, I just don't see Ponder.

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Speaker 1: We can believe that there might still be some development

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Speaker 1: left athletically. He's much higher playing than than Matt Castle.

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Speaker 1: Um Castle. I feel like we already know what he is.

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Speaker 1: He's a turnover machine, he's inaccurate, and he he doesn't

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Speaker 1: really throw well from a muddy pocket, at least with Ponder.

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Speaker 1: I mean some of those things apply to him too.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he gets better. I just don't see how what

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Speaker 1: do you gain by turning this offense over to Matt

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Speaker 1: Castle over under a week six you said, I think

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Speaker 1: they have they have enough faith and ponder, especially how

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Speaker 1: he finished the season before he got hurt, um that

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Speaker 1: maybe he would he can make it through Thanksgiving or

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Speaker 1: something like that. But I don't know. I I think

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Speaker 1: it's very possible he loses his job, and I think

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Speaker 1: Castle is just good enough guy that they think he

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Speaker 1: could be a spark. It's an experienced guy that's had

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Speaker 1: some success. So I think I'll take the over. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if he

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Speaker 1: loses the job. I think he'll keep the job a

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Speaker 1: little longer than that because just doing the math week six,

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Speaker 1: you know, you'd have to be one and four going

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Speaker 1: into week six to lose your job. I think if

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Speaker 1: you're two and three, you keep it for sure. If

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Speaker 1: you're two and four, I could see them doing it.

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Speaker 1: I could see them pulling the trigger on you know,

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Speaker 1: ponder early if he doesn't show progress, and he has

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Speaker 1: really looked poor uh in the preseason. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a factor that he hasn't shown that development. I know

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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson hasn't been out there, but still a guy

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Speaker 1: in his third year. He should be getting better. They

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Speaker 1: opened the season on the road in the Division two

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Speaker 1: straight weeks, so that's a big test for them right

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Speaker 1: out of the gates. They're in Detroit and in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: so you better get one of those games or else

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Speaker 1: you've got a big, pressure packed home opener against Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Who do you think wins that game? Ponder? Weeden?

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Speaker 1: That's I think we need to put. Let's put on

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Speaker 1: that game. What would be the odds going into the

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Speaker 1: preseason that you would say, Okay, we've seen progress on

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Speaker 1: a weekly basis from Blame Gabber, Jake Locker and up

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Speaker 1: until this week, Weeden, but nothing from Ponder. Greg's right,

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Speaker 1: he's been pretty bad in preseason. That's an actually why

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Speaker 1: I asked the question because I think that they did

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Speaker 1: a nice job of not a huge Greg Jennings guy

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Speaker 1: at this stage, but they surrounded Ponder with more than

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Speaker 1: just Adrian Peterson, and we can't say, hey, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: there off Cordarrell Patterson pans out. He certainly looks to

589
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Speaker 1: me like it's a complete stud as a pass catcher.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got a really solid tight end and Rudolph,

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Speaker 1: You've got too very solid wide receivers and you've got

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Speaker 1: the best running back on planet Earth? Why should the

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Speaker 1: quarterback be the one guy holding the back? And Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I would say if the Vikings front as thinks

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Speaker 1: the way I do, which I hope they don't, but

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Speaker 1: if they did, I would say that I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson and he's a once in a generation athlete

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Speaker 1: and I am not wasting his prime years. He's I

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Speaker 1: think he's his age twenty eight season. He probably has

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Speaker 1: two or three elite years left. If I feel like

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Speaker 1: I need to pull the trigger to try to save

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Speaker 1: a season when I know I have that guy in

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Speaker 1: my roster, probably do it. That's a relevant point, and

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Speaker 1: it reminds me of the Bears wasting eight once in

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Speaker 1: generation defense special teams combination on Rex Grossman. I don't wanna,

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Speaker 1: don't want to Grossman the situation. Your windows only open

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Speaker 1: so long, right, that has to be a considerab how

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Speaker 1: much longer is Peterson's peak by this point? You know

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Speaker 1: it's tough to get another quarterback in there. That's why

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Speaker 1: these decisions, you know, with Ponder, I think it gets

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Speaker 1: even worse if you don't get out of the bad

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Speaker 1: quarterback early. Well, that was that had to be the

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Speaker 1: whole philosophy behind signing Castle. They believe they needed a

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Speaker 1: veteran to push him. You know, we can debate whether

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Speaker 1: Castle is that guy or not, but I think that's

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Speaker 1: what they were thinking. The case for the Vikings is

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Speaker 1: a very good defense potentially they were good last year.

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Speaker 1: Is a defensive coach? Okay, and I will I will

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Speaker 1: do the last question on the Detroit Lions. Uh. You

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Speaker 1: guys saw the Patriots game forty nine win. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: their front really harassed Brady who finished sixteen and eighty

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Speaker 1: five yards. They didn't look good. Should I be getting

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Speaker 1: excited about that line? Specifically that front line is potentially

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Speaker 1: the dominant, dominant unit that it all comes together this year.

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Speaker 1: Get excited. It's Kevin Patrick listening out. There are fifth

626
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Speaker 1: around the league. Member joined full time on Friday. He's

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Speaker 1: a Lions fan. Why not get excited? I think they

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Speaker 1: could be the best defensive tackle duo in the league.

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Speaker 1: Fairly and Sue, I think they're very exciting. I mean

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Speaker 1: that Patriots game was a had a lot to do

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Speaker 1: with the Patriots suddenly fumbling every fourth time they touched

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Speaker 1: the ball, but that is was a fantastic line through

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Speaker 1: the whole preseason for the Detroit I don't love the

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Speaker 1: linebacking group. The secondary seems very sketchy to me. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, like the fact that they went

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Speaker 1: out and did the Ziggy answer thing in the draft

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Speaker 1: was to me. I love that you cannot have enough

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Speaker 1: pass rushers and you could not put enough good guys

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Speaker 1: up on your on your front and that turn dominant

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Speaker 1: because Ziggy looks for real to me. I think he

641
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: got injured in that game and they just said they

642
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: rubbed mud on somebody part and he was like, back

643
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Speaker 1: in there, that's how they do, even on an artificial turf. Well,

644
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where the mud came from. Maybe they

645
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: have a bucket of mud on the set. I heard

646
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: that on the telecast. I didn't make that up. Used

647
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: to rub snake oil on his arm when he when

648
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: he saw el. Maybe they can get these guys to

649
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: play some offensive line too, and then we have something going. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say they're not. It's not even a debate.

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Speaker 1: If Sue and Fairly are the best defensive tackle in

652
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Speaker 1: the NFL, they are, Well, they gotta do it fairly

653
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Speaker 1: asked to do it. Here's a here's a fairly stat

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Speaker 1: for you. With fairly in the lineup, the Lions have

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00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: allowed less than four yards per carry on defense. With

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Speaker 1: fairly out of the lineup, they've allowed over five yards

657
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: per care He's a difference maker. He just hasn't been

658
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: able to stay healthy. And he's kind of a kind

659
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Speaker 1: of a train wreck with all the penalties he's always

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00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: getting in off field problems. You can't ignore that. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting that they didn't invest in Cliff Avril. And I

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00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: think the philosophy was Sue and fairly. You can only,

663
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: first of all, pay so many guys. You gotta pay Megatron,

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Speaker 1: you gotta pay Stafford. But the bigger thing is Sue

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Speaker 1: and fairly make the guys outside look better. Suddenly, Willie

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Speaker 1: Young and Jason Jones might look pretty good because those

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Speaker 1: two guys inside are so good. All right, Greg, let's

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Speaker 1: go around now and do record predictions. All right? Uh?

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Speaker 1: In first place the NFC North, I always take him

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Speaker 1: to make it to the Super Bowl, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do it again the Green Bay Packers as the number

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Speaker 1: one seed in the NFC. I'm just giving it all

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Speaker 1: away twelve and four. This year, I think the defense

674
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: will be very very good, and they still have the

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Speaker 1: best player in football and Aaron Rodgers. I have the

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Speaker 1: Lions at nine and seven. I have the Bears at

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Speaker 1: seven and nine, and I have a big, uh catastrophe

678
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Speaker 1: season for the Vikings falling all the way down to

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Speaker 1: five and eleven for Minnesota. All Right, before I came here,

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Speaker 1: I was lying, it's my day off. I was lying

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Speaker 1: on a blanket in the park watching some adults who

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00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: should have been at work playing baseball the way all right, Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm on a budget. Okay, but uh, I saw

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Speaker 1: West tweet that he cannot stand when everyone in the

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Speaker 1: fantasy football community thinks exactly alike. And so I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: throw one here. I'm gonna throw some of that you

687
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Speaker 1: and I think you're gonna uppose you be opposed to.

688
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: But it's the way I feel from my heart. Bears

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Speaker 1: win this division at ten and six, and I don't

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Speaker 1: have anyone else in this division making the playoffs. And

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Speaker 1: that starts with the Packers missing it at nine and seven,

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Speaker 1: the Vikings at seven and nine, and Lions at four

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Speaker 1: and twelve. Everything we were about to talk about with

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Speaker 1: this offense in Chicago. We didn't quite get to today.

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00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: Is what I I'm starting to see in them. I

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00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: think something we're I think Trustman's offense will be the

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Speaker 1: talk of the NFC this season. Well, let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what you guys have to say

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00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: about the Bears. Why not? What did we not get

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Speaker 1: to about the Bears? Peter Jackson work again? Here we go. No, No,

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Speaker 1: we'll put it on the website tomorrow. We'll put on

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Speaker 1: the website tomorrow. But I I just I think we

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00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: did touch on to some degree. I think that they

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00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: are going to They've shown us very little. They've shown

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00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: us just a peek at what they're gonna do. I

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00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: think Cutler is a guy who's not necessarily special, but

707
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: he can do anything that you'd ask him to do.

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00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: And looked like a new quarterback the other night. He

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00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: really played well the other night. And as you know,

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Speaker 1: the biggest Cutler homer, I'm always expecting that will finally

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00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: turn the corner. I'm hopeful again. It really did look

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00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: good the other night. And you know, Trustman, it's just

713
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Speaker 1: something about him. I like him from the start. I

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00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: don't know why I was. He's the quarterback whisper. This

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00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: record with quarterbacks is unbelievable. We just talked about their defense.

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Speaker 1: I think you put two and two together. It's I

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00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I see them winning the division. Packers a

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Speaker 1: very good team. I have a feeling something weird's gonna

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00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: happen in Green Bay. It's not so much a nine

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Speaker 1: and seven comment on their talent. I just think, think something.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying injury, no, no, no, just something unexpected.

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Speaker 1: I get these feelings. Sometimes you are the leader in

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Speaker 1: the clubhouse. Pick now. I think that's not that gutsy,

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Speaker 1: is it. I had the Eagles winning, not giving Cesler

725
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: anything West you know when we first started this exercise.

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00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Since then, I have elevated three teams in this division

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Speaker 1: and pushed one of them way down. Wow. I have

728
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: taken the Bears from last place to second place. But

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00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: I'll start at the top. I have the Packers at

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Speaker 1: eleven and five winning in division. I feel better about

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Speaker 1: them than I did three weeks ago. I have the

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Speaker 1: Bears at ten and six and making the playoffs now,

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Speaker 1: whereas I had them bringing up the rear before. I

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Speaker 1: have the Lions at eight and eight good, and the

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00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Vikings at seven and nine. I like that. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Strong division. The lines at nine, I'm I'm on the

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Speaker 1: Lions train to this year. I like the Lions. I

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Speaker 1: have the Packers at twelve and four. Sorry, Mark, we'll

739
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: see what happens. Bears at ten and six, I like

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Speaker 1: them this year, and I like I'm making the playoffs

741
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: a Lion seven and nine I'm not quite in. And

742
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Speaker 1: then the Vikings. I also feel fall to Earth six

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Speaker 1: and ten new quarterback next year. Wow, so three of

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00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: the four of us have the Vikings. I think at

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00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: least I think we've spoken on our lack of confidence

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Speaker 1: in Christian I think that's the headline headline in your

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Speaker 1: wrap up post on this topic on the A T.

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Speaker 1: L Blog. I don't know. Yeah, there's that there's three

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Speaker 1: or four of us had the Bears out a winning record,

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00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: including you in the playoffs. That was I jumped mind

751
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: from six and ten to ten and six on the

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00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: Bears during this telecast. During this podcast, Yes, I have

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00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: a fickle, fickle man. So let's talk about the most

754
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: popular man in the newsroom today. Wow. Well that's a

755
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: nice segue. Well it's not really me because what happened

756
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: this would happen. A few weeks ago. We were talking

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00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: in the news room. I think it was West Damn.

758
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: It started with the Adrian Peterson wheaties box, right, we're

759
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: talking about Peterson was on the wheaties. Who eats wheaties?

760
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: It became what's the best cereal? And I told Dan

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00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: that Kicks is like eating dried up tumbleweeds in a

762
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: in a cardboard box. I like Kicks. I like Kicks

763
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: in the category that is not sugared heavy sugared cereal

764
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: just like. So that led to Greg's love of frosted miniwheats,

765
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: which are basically miniature sugar coated miniature wicker baskets. We

766
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: were talking one cereal for the rest of your life.

767
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, treaded miniweeds do it all. So this whole

768
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: conversation carries over onto Twitter, and uh, you know, I

769
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: thought the highlight of Twitter was DAMNAE schick. Uh the

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00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: analogy between apple Jack's and Tom Brady. What was that?

771
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: You know? Like Tom Brady, apple Jack's makes those around

772
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: them better, It leaves, it leaves the milk apple Jack's

773
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: does for does for milk? What Tom Brady does for

774
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: young wide receivers. But what we all agreed though, ultimately,

775
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: was that the best cereal was Cinnamon Toast Crunch. I'm

776
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: not in any agreement on and I thought I had

777
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: posted that clearly and made them my number one choice,

778
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of people agreed. A lot of people

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00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: chimed in. I guess Greg and Mark do not agree. Well,

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00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: I'm not four years old, so so then so then

781
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I get word that apparently there were multiple boxes at

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00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: my desk. This is while I was on my business trip,

783
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: multiple carton cartons. And it turns out the good people

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00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: Cinnamon Toast Crunch caught word, uh, caught wind of our

785
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Twitter conversation, and sent fifty boxes to the newsroom of

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00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Uh. So, you know, thanks to General Mills,

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Speaker 1: whoever you are, sir, and he's not really a general, well,

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Speaker 1: I still respect the hell out of him for sending

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Speaker 1: the Serially, we we passed it out around the newsroom.

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Speaker 1: We have a couple of boxes just for the A

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Speaker 1: t L crew. So General Mills is as much of

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Speaker 1: a general as Colonel Sanders as a colonel. I mean this,

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Speaker 1: seeing people's faces light up and just the words spread

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00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: around the news room. It was like Christmas morning. Did

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00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: you guys hear about the cinnamon to like people were

796
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: people were talking. You know what's gonna get old for Dan? Oh? Yeah,

797
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: I've seen this scenario play out. I have a dozen

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00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: times today. Can you guys talk about rolls royces next

799
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: time or beer? Yeah, maybe they'll send you some of those.

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00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: I got that. And I also I feel a little

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Speaker 1: bad because I feel like, although I agreed that I

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Speaker 1: like cinnamon toast crunch, West was the man that truly

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00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: champion did and I could tell West there's a little

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00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: heat about it. So I defer to you as the

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00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: king of cinnamon toast crunch. If if they want to

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Speaker 1: continue to send uh those boxes, send them to Chris Westling.

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Speaker 1: We should send out some cinnamon toastcrunch. I know. We

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00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: gotta go soon to whatever listener out there tweets at

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Speaker 1: us about cinnamon toast crunch first tonight, Monday night, and

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00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: we'll send you some boxes and we'll spread the love.

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Speaker 1: All right, that sounds good. We are out of time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for list sitting on behalf of Westling. They

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Speaker 1: call him the mailman Sizzler. They call him the Sizzler

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00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: and Rosenthal. They call him the Boss. So until next time,

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Speaker 1: we will see you. On Wednesday, no one called